/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>55745541
>Trans rights charity
>1 april
>froot
ngmi

>>55745541
If only Altare still here ;(

>>55745541
isnt this old?

>>55745541
Why is Enna there?

>>55745541
>/lig/ supports this

Old. Didn't like half the people not show up for it?

>>55745681
>>55746023
Still represents a big issue in western VTubing.

>>55745541
Reminder this fag did a burlesque show despite being a troon

>>55745541
hm? what do you mean? This is a good thing

>>55746799
How?

>>55745541
Why do all the models look like complete and utter shit?

>trans rights
>on 4/1
Sasuga.

>>55745541
Did froot donate the money yet?

>>55745541
impomu.com

>>55746862
trans people deserve to be treated well
don't you agree ?

>>55745681
https://twitter.com/MarinaVT_/status/1640871117866008577
announced in march, in fact
slow news day

>>55747137
Only if they're willing to fix their hormone imbalance and be normal.

>>55747137
no way fag.

>>55745541
>timelooping something this retarded when hololive just debuted a new gen

>>55745541
so how much did they raise

>>55745541
>Froot
Lmao

>>55745541
Who the fuck are these clowns? The only one I recognize is Froot.

>>55745541
>Marina
Oh, it's the hypocritical faggot that is known for his uncalled-for retarded hot takes and harassing (also encouraging to harass) other vchuubas on Twitter just because he doesn't agree with them. I'm not impressed that Froot is there too.

>>55747137
Is this elaborate troll posting?

>>55745541
>Western VTubing needs a reset.
Vtubing was a mistake in the west. It shouldn't leave japan in the 1st place.

>>55747040
No. There's no proof that she did.

>>55746461
Which is what exactly?

>>55746461
>"big issue"
no one watches these fucks apart from twitterfags, they're not a problem.

>>55747902
The ones that I recognized is LoLotus (top right corner); on the first row - KokoNuts (1st), Punkalopi (5th), Geega (6th), Tobs (7th); on the second row - Trickywi (1st), Alfhilde (3rd), Obkatiekat (4th; troon), Vexoria (5th), then of course Froot (6th).

>>55747137
That was true right up until the point where they insisted on making their whacky sex cult the state religion and indoctrinating other people’s children

>>55748378
>>55748791
They have proven to have influence within the community canceling and shaming other VTubers who go against their trans agenda, such as playing Hogwarts Legacy.
The person who started this stream even advocated for the harassment and bullying of those who played the game.
You think they aren't a problem but that'll only allow the problem to get worse.

>>55748791
Froot is pretty popular.
Also isn't pic rel a ASMR tranny? I think he makes quite a bit on Patreon alone.

>>55749121
>>55749125
oh, then they can go fuck themselves, but i definitely don't want to give them attention. they don't deserve it, and i'm way too lazy to harass their ass.

>>55749121
Not your personal army, faggot. Go fight your retarded battles on twitter.

>>55745541
>>55748794
is the monke the one who was in that NFT project with the red snek?

>>55745765

>>55745541
>Western VTubing needs a reset.
It does, but we need the right talent.

As far as I'm concerned, all rights are "trans" rights.

WHERE'S
THE
MONEY
FROOT?

>>55750169
Don't expect you to be my personal army, just kind enough to let you know the whos and the whys before things start to change.

>>55745541
you should be happy this shit is contained on twich

>>55745541
>making yourself ugly in 2d
For what purpose

>>55751147
Dude there are 1% of fucking trans people in America and 0,000000001% in vtubing. We have bigger issues in this country (right wing terrorism, inflation, climate crisis) and in vtubing.

>>55751331
Alright now you made it too obvious.

>>55751211
>Gendernonsense was contained on Tumblr
>gets bought out by Verizon
>Activists swarm to twitter

>Gendernonsense was contained on Tumblr
>Amazon cracking down on Twitch
What's the logical conclusion anon?

>>55745541
>reset
Western vtubing in it's entirety was a mistake. It needs to be ended, not reset. Vtubing should have never left Asia.

>>55747137
You're joking right?
No one deserves to be treated well, that's something earned on a personal basis.

>>55745541
>reset
nah it needs to be euthanized

>happened last year
>everyone has moved on
>except /vt/

>>55745541

>>55745541
What is it about wokoids that just makes their design sense 2000% cringe to look at.

>>55745541
I am going to stare at this image until I sew froot.
There she is!
>Captcha:YASSTT

>>55753027
Ugly inside and out.

>>55745541
wait, that big tiddy snek lady is trans?

>>55753027
because they've been avoiding anime like the plague for a long time and their western sensibility as to what is "sexy" (trashy) clumsily merges with whatever they think is an anime aesthetic (weird hair colors)
so you get VRchat shortstack furries with Bratz doll makeup

>>55751331
There are actually far more popular tranny chuubas than people realize. Most of them just don't make a deal about it since they aren't huge faggots. And in turn people don't notice or don't mention it either.

>>55751331
>>55753688
I got duped by several ASMR chuuba already

>>55753027
>What is it about wokoids that just makes their design sense 2000% cringe to look at
True.

>>55751331
And yet the amount of VTubers who're riding tranny cock in exchange for their integrity keeps getting bigger and bigger.

>>55752941
>happened last year
It happened this year.
>everyone has moved on
The effects are still being felt today with more of this shit being look back upon in a negative light.
>except /vt/
Those who forget their history are doomed to repeat it. It's important to not let these people get away with their wrongdoings.

>>55753485
No but she's BFFs with a tranny.
Also she's an open raging bisexual who her and her also bisexual husband might be swingers.

>>55745541
WTF is this shit?

>>55745541
grim

>>55745541
Is this group meeting the 41% quota or do they still need some time?

>>55745681
The catalog uses months old material for their shitty bait thread? Please say it ain't so!

>>55747137
no

Froot and Punka seem to have become less faggoty since this happened. They're here so they understand the grift now.
I feel so goddamn bad for Froot since she has a sibling holding her emotionally hostage with this tranny shit. That sibling was also groomed into it themselves.

Thought lopi was cool...

>>55745541
I have no idea who any of these people are

>>55752508
I think people would be happier if you just treated as many of them as you can well anyways. It’s not hard.

>>55754992
Remembering history doesn’t mean we have to fixate on every nothingburger forever.
And yes, western liberals support popular western liberal views is indeed a nothingburger, dunno why you’re expecting almost any western female entertainer to be legitimately based and pilled that’s on you.

>>55745541
buy an ad

It's so funny to me that all I had to do to defeat the troons in vtubing was... NOTHING, they fucking hurt themselves in confusion during the entire wizzard game debacle causing the vshojo split and graduating pikamee (it may not be the real reason she graduated but the optics is what matters and it looked like they were the cause), free "point and laugh" for an entire month without effort, that's why you never interrupt your enemy when they are 41% themselves like Zing Chud said

>>55763738
Why are they your enemy? Do you hate other people and want them to kill themselves? Thats really mean I think you should reconsider.

>>55753688
This is the biggest and cruelest lie I have ever seen on this site. Don't get those estrogen-enriched freaks hopes up, no one is mistaking them for a real woman.

>>55753723
I didn't know deaf people could get into asmr

>>55764284
I swear, it's hard to tell when you only watch the ASMR and not their normal stream

>>55747137
The politically active SJWs certainly don't deserve to be treated well. They don't even treat children well.

>>55764165
Tranny's have been around awhile anon. A lot of them pass. You just didn't know about them till the latest culture war. Miss Canada was a tranny in like 2010 or 2011, it wasn't a big deal then.

>>55764709
>read childrens stories in wacky costumes
>don’t want them to be forcefully separated from their families
Damn they hate these kids thats fucked up

>>55761489
>They're here so they understand the grift now.
>I feel so goddamn bad for Froot since she has a sibling holding her emotionally hostage with this tranny shit.
>That sibling was also groomed into it themselves.
Explanation please?

>>55763097
Just you wait until it turns western VTubing into the modern day comic industry and we'll see just how much of a nothingburger it is.

>>55745541
why are caalogposters so upset by trans chuubas?
is it because they get pussy and you don't?

>>55764895
Until you realize convicted troon sex offenders are involved doing that

>>55765257
It's because they openly support the harassment and bullying of other streamers, even those within the VTubing community.

>>55765257
>they get pussy
No they get an axe wound lmao

>>55765218
Pretty sure everyone thinks the dumb inclusionary new characters are dumb except the higher ups who mandated them, the actual trannies prefer more tasteful stuff and actually like legacy characters. Gonna assume that’s what you’re complaining about I can’t be bothered to dig deeper. You clearly aren’t watching any of these guys anyways and there’s no way big corpo ENs are gonna get involved you know that.

>>55765257
what pussy? they've got no functional genitals

>>55765257
>>55765859
Their brain ain't even functional as well. 99% of them are SJW drones.

>>55765257
Trannies get 0 pussy. They are the ultimate incels. The final level of incelom is trying to become a woman yourself

>>55765461
do they?
>>55765621
>>55765859
not what I meant lol
dick is the only reason a lot of women put up with men, a lot of trans chuubas have (cis) girlfriends
>>55766012
not allowed to post it here but there is video evidence that disproves this

>>55766012
they get neo-pussy sometimes

>>55765319
Oh god you actually care more about tranny storytime hour than any actual issues. I don’t care if there’s some random creeps that were incompetently not given background checks, you could find that for any niche group, like fuckin priests. How much do you bet there’s a couple birthday clowns who are weirdos?

>>55766515
>Nooo I swear it's only a couple of troon child sex offenders! Don't look at how many politically active troons are pushing for legalizing child abuse!

>>55766515
Not sure how what you're saying discounts that the left is still actively pushing for this despite it all. At best it's criminal negligence at a national scale.

>>55766646
Gonna have to clarify what you’re calling child abuse cuz right now you could be referring to anything from child molestation to telling them gay people exist.

>>55767235
transing children is child abuse

>>55766866
>some birthday clowns are sex offenders
>the clown community is pushing for child abuse!
Is he stupid?
You know you’re only hearing about any of this cuz it’s the new big culture war right? This stuff happens in basically any group all the time it’s just not the big new political topic.

>>55767476
>This stuff happens in basically any group all the time
We all know this is a lie. No need to lie to our faces. The troon situation is a unique one. There would've been reports of other groups otherwise.

>>55767476
>This stuff happens in basically any group all the time it’s just not the big new political topic.

>>55767335
The kids are the ones asking for it and detransition rates are pretty low, so it seems like they’re generally right. You know your beloved 41% is cuz most of them can’t transition, not cuz they can, right?

>>55767635
>The kids are the ones asking for it
Just like when groomers say the kids are asking to have sex right? Nobody believes that but sex offenders (like the ones in >>55766866) that need to be put inside the woodchipper. I.e. the troon community.

>>55767335
>child wants to wear dress
>you let them (and do nothing else, they're 8)
the downfall of western civilization

>>55767476
>You know you’re only hearing about any of this cuz it’s the new big culture war right?
Maybe people are hearing about it because it's disgusting?
>This stuff happens in basically any group all the time
Okay, where else is this shit happening, because that would be in the public's interest to know. Please extrapolate on that.

>>55767612
You can look up “sex offender *blank*” and find anything I guarantee it

>>55751331
liblarp isnt funny anymore anon, get with the times

>>55745541
Shiori will take it over, since none of the other HoloENs bothered.

>>55767635
How wrong can a person be. Before it was spread memeticaly to every autistic goon with a autogynephilic, transgenderism had a 90% remission rate and everyone got over it, there wasn't even any suicide.

>>55767733
there's nothing sexual about this, get your mind out of the gutter

>>55767733

>>55767733
you ever click on a liberal news site and notice they're talking about completely different things than your people do?
you seriously can't be stupid enough to think only the enemy selectively reports the truth

>>55767774
Only the troons are pushing for transing kids. No other community is that dedicated to legalizing child abuse.

>>55767894
Wake me up where entire classrooms across the country are being brought to hooters, where the girls also where nothing but bikinis with the frequent nip slip.

>>55767901
Are you talking about transing kids or sex offender drag queens these are two very different situations and you keep switching between them

>>55765797
>and there’s no way big corpo ENs are gonna get involved you know that.
You mean like how there's no way any EN corpo would get involved in the Hogwarts boycott?

>>55767901
wait until you learn about who is lowering the legal age for hazardous jobs, the children yearn for the mines and meat packing factories anon.

>>55767897
Ah yes, reporting different things

>>55768076
Doesn't matter. Both involves child abuse.

>>55768120
The democrats? They're the forefront campaigning to lower the age of consent especially to vote.

>>55768120
Why do people revert immediately into heavy labor when it comes to letting kids actually work summer jobs.
Yeah let's just have more immigration to cover waiter jobs and have teenagers sit at home and do nothing while per capita expenditures just keep increasing forever.

I desperately hope they fall short of their goal.

>>55767635
how did people like you get on this board
arent you supposed to be derailing on /pol/?

>>55767997

>>55768120
Aren't there like 10,000 illegal immigrant minors currently working in actual meat packing factories due to democrat neglecting the border crisis. It's on them.

>>55768511
>>55767894
What do you think hooters even is? Those are just girls in tank tops, they're less sexual than the typical spaghetti strapped bra top that women wear on the street nowadays. How does that compare at all to: >>55767633

>>55768476
They figured derailing on there does nothing since even the dumbest poltard (aka a glownigger) have more braincells than they ever will have so they come here to spread their propaganda cancer

The thread has officially derived from it's entendent purpose.

>>55768792
And what was that intended purpose

>>55768238
https://www.theguardian.com/law/2023/may/01/us-surge-efforts-reduce-child-labor-regulations
>>55768352
what fucking child wants to work at a meat pack factory or coal mine anon?
do you want to work there, do you wish for the possibility of losing limbs or getting miners lung?
i dont think you understand that the wests replacement rate is going down anon, immigration is a suppliment to keep the work force up so the country can function. >>55768516
they cant do shit because the other side doesnt cooperate and just wants to act like building a wall will stop things, a fucking wall isnt going to stop people from entering when fucking oceans cant stop them.

>>55768885
Is reading the OP too much reps for you?

>>55767635
>The kids are the ones asking for it
>the troon doesn't see the issue with this

>>55768949
>using the guardian as a source
Kill yourself

>>55768949
Nations that build walls across their borders see 90%+ drop in illegal immigration.
When it comes to boats those cost dozens of times more to transport the same amount of people, who currently just walk over.

>>55768792
>>55768885
the intended purpose was to gaslight and brainwash people with their propaganda rhetoric but it didn't work out the way they expected

>>55768792
this thread was always intended to be an excuse to spread culture war bullshit on another board
>>55769058
the only valid sources are twitter outrage accounts, clearly

>>55769138
source on these numbers anon

>>55745541
Thank god Hololive exists in its own bubble.

>>55746023
Yeah, apparently the one organizing it didn't tell them what it was really about, just that it would be for charity.

>>55769208
>implying culture war never existed here in the first place
lole, newfag

>>55768949
Have you never worked a summer job? Nowadays kids apply for jobs and they're beat out by people who can't even speak english because there is now a whole class of people whose sole reason to exist is to work dead end jobs after immigrating here. Teenagers should be working those dead end jobs because those jobs should really be only temporary.

>>55768751
I was kinda just shitposting with those but yeah some of this shit is fucking weird but still not representative. You could show that to the vast majority of alphabets and they’d take issue with the guy in a thong with massive bulge and shirtless leather guy. I mean, who is it on twitter you see freaking out over the latest internet personality outed as a groomer? Or who’s always complaining about lolicons on twitter? Certainly not you guys. When you show em things like this they get defensive because you’re using these weird specific cases as ammunition against them and all their friends who aren’t remotely involved with that, not because they don’t find it gross. But whatever, I’ve made my point clear so I’ll fuck off now.

>>55768949
as much as i hate the dems I also hate the republicans and troons alike
why are you pushing so hard for the divide and conquer thing here, why can't we all hate trannies and governments equally

>>55767849
Also you could have mentioned that trangenderism was extremely rare and the current way is just spreading it like a pandemie.

>>55769318
lmao you want your child to work a dead end job anon!
what did they not bring you a beer when you asked so now you hope their lives are as boring as yours?
>>55769409
im all for hating all those things equally, problem is that theres unequal hate so someones gotta balance the hate.

>>55767830
How good is this?

>>55769208
The inception of /vt/ started due to a culture war anon. We literally got kicked off of another board.

>>55769231
Look up how hungary's border fence dropped illegal immigration by 99%, or into china's border security, or israels border security, or poland's border security.

>>55769641
>someones gotta balance the hate.
you're doing an incredibly poor job doing so, almost seems like it's on purpose

>>55769641
Anon as a teenager I remember applying to a million places for a summer job and I got denied every fucking time because my state's laws were designed for illegals to work here. School is also work, it's equally as useless only you don't get paid to go to school.

>>55769273
>>55769664
cool, I don't care
I only come here to talk about vtubers, not politics
if there was a better place to do that I would be there

>>55769481
Anon I said exactly that, I said "before it spread memetically".

>>55769915
Why did you enter a thread that was clearly political in nature then?

>>55769915
>, not politics
Then don't go to /vt/ then

>>55751331
>dude just forget that nignogs and antifa burned down cities and committed ISIS-tier historical destruction to historical monuments
>some LARPing boomer who yells empty threats on facebook is the real problem

>>55770110
I don't get why he says he's not here for politics after clicking and responding to a thread that's obviously gonna be very political

>>55745541
>Western VTubing needs a reset
It just got one

>>55770213
He's just as bad as those SJW tourists who invade games and anime. Nobody's forcing them and nobody asked them to.

>>55769208
>>55769915
youre a retard lol

>>55770337
Never thought I'd say this, but thank god for those leafs.

>>55745541
stay in /wvt/

>>55770053
if the janitors aren't going to remove it, might as well argue
but people in this thread aren't even pretending they are talking about vtubers anymore - what the fuck does immigration have to do with any of this
>>55770110
this is the same argument you get from the actual sjws who try and drive out everybody insufficienly communist from every internet cammunity where they aren't outright rejected
really make you think
>>55770213
>>55770340
I like how you're making up a whole narrative from two posts

>>55770340
I bet he doesn't actually watch streams

>>55770589
>narrative
What narrative? Nigga there's no narrative. You barged in here and nobody asked you to.

>>55770529
They're naturalized JP citizens and are legitimately ESL now, there's nothing leaf about them.

>>55770694
Isn't getting naturalized in japan like impossible.

>>55770589
There are boards without politics but this board is for discussing the politicss of vtubers, and currently troon vtubers.

>>55769784
>hungary
who the fuck wants to go to hungary unless they have to, the fence just decreases the chance of wanting to.
>china
a complete surveillance state and a low immigration rate in general because who the fuck want to go to china unless youre north korean trying to get to another country.
>israel
almost always on alert because of the tensions in the region, the security isnt just to stop people from entering but also fight off anyone attacking
>poland
no clue to be fair
>usa
the place everyone hypes up as the land of the free and place of opprotunities.
the usa is in no position for a wall to work, but you know what they already had for years before things went to shit, a fence, a tall fence and a river across a good amount of the boarder
captcha:KKKNT

I'm kind of confused here.
Where does /vt/ stand on the whole trans pandering in the VTuber industry/community thing.

>>55769784
>hungary
>poland
Yeah, the problem is not the people trying to enter those countries but the ones trying to get out.

>>55770821
>who the fuck wants to go to hungary unless they have to, the fence just decreases the chance of wanting to.
How young are you.

>the usa is in no position for a wall to work,
Why? You have nothing to back up that statement?

>but you know what they already had for years before things went to shit, a fence, a tall fence and a river across a good amount of the boarder
Are you stupid? Or just being intentionally dishonest? Compare hungary's border fence to this alleged "fence" you claim america had.

Unpatrolled, unmonitored, no lighting, no ccv, no accompanying road, no repairs, not even connected to itself.

>>55771010
Hey gramps, the soviet union dissolved 30 years ago.

>>55770661
this is (ostensibly) a thread about western vtubing
none of the people complaining here seem to know much about western vtubing, given he sob story about being exiled from /jp/ they offered as justification
>>55770813
what does hungarian border fences have to do with vtubers, exactly

>>55771138
Shitting on the absolute state of western vtubing is part of the discussion. JP vtubers wouldn't have any of these issues at all, which is why western vtubers who bring their identity politics to tubing need to be talked about and shat on.

>>55771344
Don’t like don’t watch, the people who do keep watching clearly don’t care I don’t think you’re gonna convince them

>>55771053
>Why? You have nothing to back up that statement?
i just said why, the usa has built itself up to be the best and freest place on earth, and theyre a super power with a lot of cultural and military power.
it also wont work because people who are desperate enough to go through multiple countries to get there are more then willing to find a way around the wall.
face it old man, the usa put itself in a position that a wall wont solve shit, especially when the usa isnt even at war with mexico to justify having max security on it

>>55771461
>Don’t like don’t watch
That applies to you the most nigger. Nobody's forcing you to click on these threads.

>>55770860
90% of /vt/ hates Twitch. What do you think?

>>55771461
Not that Anon but it's one of those things that even if you don't watch the taint will still spread unless people fight against it.

>>55771344
I notice you didn't actually answer the question
western vtubing is doing fine imo, all of the vtubers in the image up above (that I have watched, at least) don't force idpol into their streams
do you guys get all info from shit people say in bait threads or something?

>>55771461
>j-just ignore and they will go away

>>55771682
>western vtubing is doing fine imo
your opinion is worth less than garbage m8
if u don't care then don't reply

>>55763927
Silence, troon - no-one cares for your nigger faggotry.

>>55771520
>the usa has built itself up to be the best and freest place on earth
There are many indices that measure freedoms by country, and the United States doesn't even place in the top 10 of any of them.

>it also wont work because people who are desperate enough to go through multiple countries to get there are more then willing to find a way around the wall.
That's not how supply and demand works. If you increase the difficulty, less people will come, it's really that simple. So simple you have to be brainwashed to believe otherwise.

>face it old man, the usa put itself in a position that a wall wont solve shit
Once again, that is called the begging the question fallacy. Your statement begs the question, why wouldn't a wall solve anything? You have no basis to claim this.

>>55771572
Fair enough

>>55769895
>School is also work, it's equally as useless only you don't get paid to go to school.
School is the only reason you are not a iliterate bumbling retard.

>>55771833
I will do whatever I want
now are you going to answer any of my questions, or do you just want to whine?

>>55772094
>there are people that actually believe this

>>55770860
>Where does /vt/ stand on the whole trans pandering in the VTuber industry/community thing.
Well personally, I think all trannies should kill themselves, as should everyone who panders to them.

>>55772094
Actually my dad taught me how to read, and once you know how to do that you can learn everything through the internet.

>>55772119
>I will do whatever I want
I will do whatever I want

>>55772183
Based

>>55745541
Reminder that Punkalopi dropped out of this once she found out it was for trannies and not gays

>>55770860
It's grooming. It's literally just grooming.

>>55770860
it's funny how much vt seethes about women being women
you'd consider asking them to try watching men, but it turns out they don't want that either...
>>55772303
ok :)
what vtubers do you like watching, if not western ones?

>>55771124
I visited Berlin and almost all the service jobs were performed by polish people. In Vienna the same case but instead of polish, hungarian.
Also, cool vtubing thread you have here.

>>55767635
the suicide stat is highest after transitioning tho

>>55772456
I went to Hungary and it was the nicest place I've ever been to.

>>55772180
That is the reality of it. All the math, science and grammar that you learn in school is probably the only stimulus that you brain would have during your childhood. Without it, you are no better than a feral child. You probably don't remember a thing of arithmetic but that is the reason why you build any sence of spatial thinking and linguistic skills.
>>55772180
No shit you grow to by a retard.

>>55772094
*an illiterate bumbling retard

I love all you losers here!

>>55772700
But of course. There almost not hungarian people there, is just a town for tourist.

>>55753688
Ah I found it!
The "there is actually an entire army of completely passing trannies in society you never notice because of how well they pass" post.

Why do you fag lords keep doing this? We all know it's untrue.

>>55772428
Way to out yourself an an EOP

>>55764895
>trying to normalise mental illness and the political propaganda to small children
>avoiding children being literally brainwashed into mutilating themselves

There is absolutely no long-term significant evidence for the effectiveness of any sort of transgender treatment.

>>55772428
>women

>>55773175
He doesn't watch Japanese chuubas anything he'll ever say will always be irrelevant

>>55761489
Froot tweeted about cheating on her husband less than a week ago. She is still awful.

>>55772986
Isn't hungary among the most homogenous countries in europe.

>>55773340
Every European country is homo

>>55771934
>and the United States doesn't even place in the top 10 of any of them
its not a matter of how true the freedom is, its the image they built about themselves and the cultural influence they have on the whole world and that draws people to go there over continuing to live in unsafe and dangerous places.
plus when you give people familiarity, theyll choose it usually and you know whose culture most of the world is familiar with on some level, american culture.
>That's not how supply and demand works
survival doesnt work on supply and demand, supply and demand only really applies when you have opinions but staying where you are and dying truly isnt an opinion people take.
if it means theyll live is relative safety compared to before theyll fight for it because you might as well die trying to get a better life then just dying having not tried to escaped hell.
>why wouldn't a wall solve anything?
i dont know anon, maybe its that most illegal entry isnt done by the boarder but rather other means like planes or boats.
a wall would work if there wasnt other means of entering the country, and the desire to enter the country is low, just look at north korea, theyve basically locked down the country now, escape is nearly impossible these days but no one wants in either.

>>55747137
It ain't just /pol/ anymore. Trans stinks like target and bud light. Its over.

>>55770860
I don't hate them as people, I think there are some very sad and vulnerable people which have been quite literally brainwashed into believing that the solution to their depression and anxiety was to mutilate themselves and then when they're still not happy, they get told that it's actually the big bad Republican white man who is making them miserable so they need to get rid of them, then they can be happy.
>hint: they're not happy because they have depression not because of other people

So the entire propaganda machine and anybody who supports it needs to be gassed because what they're doing by gaslighting vulnerable people to become political pawns is outright evil.

>>55773396
London is the capital of the Uk with a 60% non-white population.
Budapest, the capital of Hungary, is like 95% white.

>>55773032
>>55773264
>come into a thread about western vtubing
>complain about people who watch english vtubers
think it's you guys who don't belong here, if anything
I'm still not seeing any indication that you even watch japanese vtubers
>>55773175
I don't think that anime girl image is a real woman, anon
I'm not even sure she's old enough to be a woman

>>55772781
>No shit you grow to by a retard.
lol. I rest my case

>>55774830
That fictional anime girl is ten times closer to a real woman than any trans vtuber.

>>55752508
i dont fucking care about loony troons but i see it as a bidirectional exchange
you treat them well
they treat you well
i just like to initiate that exchange

>>55774830
Kill yourself EOP

>>55775833
For the record I watch Shondo the Holo EN girls and used to watch Pikamee but anyone who's never watched a Japanese holo isn't a real vtuber fan Enjoy watching Froot tho

>>55775518
don't know about that one, anon
I don't see any evidence that she's an adult, a human, or even female in that image
>>55775833
oh, I recognise that one, she's friends with the funny dog
why do you like her?
>>55775996
I used to watch pikamee on twitch sometimes
I am currently watching an entirely unrelated vtuber have fun with some western vtubers I like :)

>>55772607
After looking into it a bit it seems like this source came from a study that only looked at people who surgically transitioned, so it could still be much higher for people who didn’t get that far. The study suggests that patients are given continues psychiatric treatment afterwards, not to just ignore it and tell them to get over it, unlike what people seem to have interpreted it as. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3043071/

>>55776393

The funny dog has a name EOP clipfag

>>55776987
While I’m at it, peep this one too
https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2022/01/mental-health-hormone-treatment-transgender-people.html

>>55777591
Yes it clearly works which is why they need more psychiatric meds after hormones right? https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34247956/

>>55745541
Funny. There are no good vtubers in this image.

>>55778391
Very few people in this thread seem to know what a good vtuber is there's a nigger here who doesn't know who Korone is lmao

>>55751331
You fucked up the bait retard

>>55777513
>>55778604
I know she's called korone, everyone does
I called her that to annoy you :)
how many of the vtubers in the image can you guys name, though? I can help you if you get stuck

>>55778740
Love how you didn't say anything til you could read me type her name Have fun watching clips and nijiEN

>>55779493
i was watching the stream I mentioned instead of this thread, sorry
can you explain what you like her friend now, or did you only open up her stream to get that screenshot?

>>55779847
You had a lot of time to reply in between mustn't be a very good stream imagine not paying attention to your oshis

>>55780195
I've replied less than you have, I think you may be counting some posts that weren't mine there
how is the purple nyanners stream, by the way? this is the third time I'm asking and you still haven't told me

>>55780195
Good thing I'm not a poorfag so I can watch a really fun stream while bullying EOP fags like you I'm gonna be watching Koyo chan play baseball on my phone in 20 mins tho so I'm gonna have to stop playing with you soon have fun watching Froot tho (imagine supporting a terrible person)

>>55780832
She's great obviously, you'd know why if you bothered watching real vtubers
(imagine watching Nyanners lmao)

>>55772428
>women being women
What is a woman?

>>55781261
tell me what you like about her,anon!
i could have told you everything you've said so far
also, are you autistic/ESL?
you seem to be taking my teasing very literally (not hating just curious)
>>55780969
I have a laptop :)
dark and darker isn't the greatest game, but it's pretty good as a banter facilitator
>>55781586
What is a man?

>>55781927
>teasing
>first thing he did was say who do you people watch if you don't watch western vtubers
You lost the moment you entered this thread no point saving face Also its obvious what I love about my oshi I just won't tell you I'd tell anyone else in this thread who isn't you tho

>>55782129
Before he tries to be like I'm just baiting bro all anyone really needed to do was scroll up but I'll make it easier

>>55781927
>What is a man?
XY chromosomes
Stop deflecting and answer the question

>>55782411

>>55782129
>>55782411
>>55782552
did that really need three replies
the :) face indicates that I'm just trying to have fun here, and I hope you are too!
>>55782413
wrong answer, sorry
try again next thread

>>55782917
Had to show the proof before you tried to play your lack of knowledge off as a joke and I'll show it as many times as you try so no point It's not even a nice try at this point

>this thread is still up
you're all retarded, take this slapfight elsewhere

>>55745541
Is the far left a troon? And would you look at that…
>apricot
What a fucking cunt!

>>55782917
>wrong answer, sorry
>try again next thread
>can't even answer what a woman is
MENTAL ILLNESS

>>55783463
my replies were mostly attempts to seriously engage, but the name-calling was just to mess with you
still not sure why you are mad about western vuber enjoyers on a western vtuber board, nobody's forcing you to post here instead of /jp/ if you only want jp vtuber discussion
charge your phone, btw :)
>>55784329
for a more serious answer:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complete_androgen_insensitivity_syndrome
is somebody (naturally) outwardly indistinguishable from a woman, who was raised as a woman, who only discovers how they are different from all the other girls when they go to the doctor to find out why they haven't started having periods - a man because they have a y-chromosome that their body almost entirely ignores?

>>55783728
>nooooo jannies please save me jannies
>I want this board to be a reddit hugbox

>>55778267
There's a reason the one I linked uses people who wanted to be trans but never did it as the control instead of just normal people, it shows that it improves their mental health over if they never had gender affirming care, even if it's still not as good as normal people's mental health.

>>55784941
>Someone with a medical abnormality is the same thing as a tranny.

EXCEPTIONS DO NOT DISPROVE THE RULE.

Why do you faggots always do this? Unless you're going to provide evidence that all people who are transgender have some serious medical abnormality which justifies the current societal insanity rather than just the fact that most people who are transgender are mentally ill who have more or less been gaslight by others into mutilating themselves and this is being extended to children, I'd advise you kill yourself.
It's just so tiresome.

>>55784941
>for a more serious answer:
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complete_androgen_insensitivity_syndrome
>is somebody (naturally) outwardly indistinguishable from a woman, who was raised as a woman, who only discovers how they are different from all the other girls when they go to the doctor to find out why they haven't started having periods - a man because they have a y-chromosome that their body almost entirely ignores?
That's called a birth defect, moron. You don't change definitions to include the less than a percentage that are defective. You couldn't describe a single characteristic of anything if you always include the .00001% that was defective as if it were normal.
>how many fingers do humans have
>it could be any due to some being born with extra fingers and hands
What an absolutely fucking retarded argument.

>>55783728
https://voca.ro/194BbHEQtrKt

>>55785439
there are some studies suggesting that trans people have brains more like those of their identified gender than their assigned gender, if you care
besides, the rule has always been that people who look/sound more like men are treated like men, and that people who look/sound morelike women are treated women, the only change has been in the weighting of criteria
do you think bronze-age village elders knew what the fuck a chromosome was?
>>55785450
can you give me an objective way to distinguish between a birth defect and normal human variation that isn't societally constructed?
if everyone in the world was japanese, would blue eyes be a birth defect?

also, what vtubers do you guys like?
since this is still /vt/ :)

>>55786616
I like mumei she is nice and cute :)

>>55786616
>there are some studies suggesting that trans people have brains more like those of their identified gender than their assigned gender, if you care
No there aren't. I've already had this argument with multiple different tranny faggots who all sight that one study with an auditory experiment. Then there was another about looking at children on puberty blockers and a control group. All of those studies are done on pre-pubescent children which show that maybe some children display more female or male brain development patterns but that during puberty those discrepencies are eliminated. Which more or less proves the point that children should not be able to make any sort of decision regarding their hormones until after puberty.

>besides, the rule has always been that people who look/sound more like men are treated like men, and that people who look/sound morelike women are treated women, the only change has been in the weighting of criteria
No? The criteria was
>Do you have a pussy which I can fuck?
If yes, woman. If no, man.
>Well what if I have both?
Weirdo thing, make it a eunch, priest or kill it.

>do you think bronze-age village elders knew what the fuck a chromosome was?
Of course they didn't because they didn't have retarded faggots trying to obfuscate self-evident categories.

>>55786616
>can you give me an objective way to distinguish between a birth defect and normal human variation that isn't societally constructed?

>>Does this variation serve some sort of evolutionary purpose?
>If yes, normal.
>If no, defect.
This is why people hate you post-modernist fags, you are so willing to declare somebody born without limbs or a heart a "normal human variation" rather than acknowledigng humans are absolutely meant to be designed a specific way with limited variation.

Why are some of you still arguing with this shitposting tranny ally when you can see its arguments lack logical basis and that it has been spamming smileys just to enrage you? Do you really enjoy being angry for the sake of it?

>>55753723
One way to tell, if it isn't an obvious one, is listen to 2 roleplays real quick, and listen if they use the same voice for both, because they are already using all their voice acting ability just to try for their female voice

>>55786616
>can you give me an objective way to distinguish between a birth defect and normal human variation that isn't societally constructed?
You realize that example you linked >>55784941 is infertile, right? Is that socially constructed? Is that just standard human variation, to be incapable of basic functions required for the species survival like reproduction?

>>55771053
We need a reconquista of our lands under Traditional Catholicism, pray the rosary everyday
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55f___1XYVE

>>55786726
oh, the owl(?) one?
I don't really see her mentioned much on the catalog, but I guess that's more of a good thing than a bad one
>>55787077
>No there aren't
the brain scan studies I saw were definitely on adults
I could go looking for links, but you haven't provided any either, so...
>Do you have a pussy which I can fuck?
this would include some trans woman
if you try to pivot to something pregnancy related next, tread carefully :)
>trying to obfuscate self-evident categories
you do realise the bible was writen by jews, right?
there's literally nothing they love more than arguing about absurd hypothetical shit
>>55787224
awfully teleological of you, anon
evolution doesn't plan anything, often things that seem useless and counterproductive turn out to have some benefit in practice or just aren't enough of a hindrance to be actively selected against
>>55787740
could be, yeah
humans have lived in packs since time immemorial, somebody not reproducing could still contribute to the wellbeing of the tribe
you see this taken to an extreme in bees and ants, and I don't think anyone would consider them defective
>>55787444
I'm having fun
dunno about these nerds, though
>>55787894
your average 'tradcath' was a calvinist or pagan six months ago and wil be 'orthodox' or an atheist by next year

>>55788354
Now I know you're just a troll.

https://vocaroo.com/194BbHEQtrKt

This is what what happen when twitch whore larp as vtuber.

>>55788354
>your average 'tradcath' was a calvinist or pagan six months ago and wil be 'orthodox' or an atheist by next year
No, they have seen the one true faith Traditional Catholicism. There is no greater height, they will not descend.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxZoc_JhQtw

>>55788536
He's even larping as a positive reply to his own comment Peak schizo right there

>>55788354
>I could go looking for links, but you haven't provided any either, so...
Burden of proof is on the one making the claims.
>this would include some trans woman
1. Define man.
2. Define woman.
3. Define trans woman.
4. Define trans man.
5. Define sex.
6. Define gender.
You're simply skirting around offering objective definitions and using that as a crutch to shit fling "gotchas".

>you do realise the bible was writen by jews, right?
I'm not religious you retard or do you think that for someone to be oppossed to your retardation that they too need to have obessively bought into some ideological framework?

>>55788354
>evolution doesn't plan anything, often things that seem useless and counterproductive turn out to have some benefit in practice or just aren't enough of a hindrance to be actively selected against
And? You're not actually making a point.

>>55788745
Nah I'm a different guy but I've taken a backseat cuz they're clearly much better at arguing than me.

>>55788354
>you see this taken to an extreme in bees and ants, and I don't think anyone would consider them defective

>>If a human is born as an ant, they are not defective because ants are not defective.
Uhuh...If I tried to make a house but I instead ended up with a violin, is the violin a defective house or not? I don't see how the violin could serve the function that was its original design.

idk ive been watching western vtubers for half a year now and dont really encounter much of these things people complain about

>>55789368
>makes comparison between humans and other species
>"so you're saying if a human was literally born as an ant..."
I give up on this guy he's literally retarded

>>55789622
>makes comparison between humans and other specieis
>gets up upset when that comparison is taken to it's logical conclusion and turns out that it is a completely illogical comparison that makes no sense because those species are actually meant to be different and have relative definitions of defective within their own domain of biological existence
>>NOOOOOO YOU CAN'T DO THAT!

So, how much like an ant can a human be alike before it stops being an acceptable comparison?

>>55788536
I'm not trolling!
I would love to talk about vtubers (I like several of the ones in the op) but people keep trying to talk about other things :(
>>55788678
vatican I dissenters are based
vatican II dissenters are just larpers (who probably don't even know latin)
>>55788745
???
I'm not clicking on vocaroos
>>55788818
think you(?) made the claim about y-chromosomes first
The answars to most things get more complicated the more you understand them, especially when humans are involved (try getting a linguist to define a language, for example)
you ever look into hilbert's attempts to prove that mathematics is internally logically consistent (or whatever that was about)?
>I'm not religious
most famous bronze-age text (though it was almost certainly written in the iron age)
>>55789113
I'm really not, I just have vague knowledge about many things
>>55789368
not what I said, anon
a non-reproductive human could still help their relatives pass on their genes, just as non-reproductive ants help reproductive ants do so
>>55789450
I've been asking people to elaborate on this but they continue to refuse to do so, you just get whatever the hell this thread is now

>>55789901
If you wanna talk about vtubers there are several other threads here Nobody's falling for your shit I'd say stop trying but nah its hilarious

>>55789901
i think you cant change peoples opinions here, the entire board is japanese corporate oriented and filled with peoples whos entire perspective of the other side is clips that hit youtube which are mostly awful desu since what gets clicks is usually low hanging fruit and the fact none will ever watch. So you are basically attempting to talk to walls. Use your time elsewhere.

>>55789901
>think you(?) made the claim about y-chromosomes first
I'm not that anon.

>The answars to most things get more complicated the more you understand them, especially when humans are involved (try getting a linguist to define a language, for example)
>you ever look into hilbert's attempts to prove that mathematics is internally logically consistent (or whatever that was about)?

Complete nothingburger of an answer deliberately attempting to avoid giving any reply to
1. Define man.
2. Define woman.
3. Define trans woman.
4. Define trans man.
5. Define sex.
6. Define gender.

>most famous bronze-age text (though it was almost certainly written in the iron age)
And? I'm not religious. I'm not from the bronze age. I'm not from the iron age. What the fuck are you carrying on about you fucking schizo?

>>55789901
>>a non-reproductive human could still help their relatives pass on their genes, just as non-reproductive ants help reproductive ants do so

And? A person with no limbs could also do that. Simply because they serve limited function does not mean that they are not defective in some other way. Are you fucking stupid in not understanding that human function is not a binary system? People can have defects whilst also still being functional in other ways in which was part of their biological design.

>>55790030
>vtuber board won't take you serious unless you actually watch vtubers

Imagine my shock

quite possibly the worst thread on the site currently

>>55789901
https://vocaroo.com/194BbHEQtrKt

Why are guys keep replying to literal mass replying faggot. You know it useless arguing to people with mental ilness.
Just type kys and go away like normal person.

>>55745541
Kizuna ai died for this...

>>55790659
I'm trying to get the thread to the bump limit to make the thread die quicker.

>>55790029
why do they keep replying, though?
>>55790030
I know, but since the collab ended I'm focusing more on this
I should probably sleep though, guess I'll stop replying now
>>55790036
my father always used to get angry with me whenever I'd try using an analogy or a hypothetical in an argument
he said it didn't matter 'what if', because it wasn't
can't say I understand the worldview - how do you develop theory-of-mind without what-ifs?
>>55790185
how severe does a birth defect have to be? is the cilantro-soap thing a birth defect?
>>55790365
I do watch (western) vtubers
nobody wanted to talk about them
I just hope next thread is better
>>55790738
me too lol

Are there any chuubas playing Guilty Gear still?

>>55791021
>my father always used to get angry with me whenever I'd try using an analogy or a hypothetical in an argument
>he said it didn't matter 'what if', because it wasn't
>can't say I understand the worldview - how do you develop theory-of-mind without what-ifs?

Again failure to address the point and the question asked, autistic ramble about father and worldviews.

>>55791021
>how severe does a birth defect have to be? is the cilantro-soap thing a birth defect?
No. Google what a birth defect is. What you're talking about is a genetic disorder.

Fucking retard. If you're going to go for a semantic argument, at least prove that you understand the semantic of what you're talking about

>>55791021
https://vocaroo.com/194BbHEQtrKt

>>55789901
Become Traditional Catholic for he salvation of your soul
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvjL6mJicsY

>>55745541
>Trans Lifeline
That shit is literally a scam
Do a background check on them and you'll find that they barely provide any of the services they promise and pocket the donation money for luxury goods and expensive trips abroad
Asking your viewers to donate to trannies is bad enough already but why the fuck would you not do any vetting on the charity you choose?

>>55791021
Clearly your father didn't beat you enough

Reminder that all these tranny defenders are coming from twitch thread like VShoho ones or /lig/
Just visit them to instantly understand where these faggots are from

>>55791605
>Scamming trannies out of money

WTF I LOVE TRANNY CHARITY NOW

Is futa porn part of the trans agenda?

>>55791712
No you idiot. They're scamming their viewers to give money to trannies
It's anti-based, dare I say it's cringe even

>>55791780
>give money to trannies
based

Reminder that true idols support the rights of everyone

>>55791942
>deliberately incredibly vague as so the rules can applied in any manner at any time to support anything the moderators want even if it goes against previous enforcement

Like I get it, but you don't need 5 different points to state the same thing
>Do things I don't like, you get banned

why are americans like this?
keep this shit contained within your own country please

>>55792069
idk, nothing in that lists contradicts other points. And it's fair to keep shit open ended in case some retard wants to rules lawyer you after getting banned.

>>55792200
Thailand started it, faggot.

>>55792346
Is this Thailand in the room with us right now?

>>55791942
The word bigot and bigotry are so overused today, holy shit.
The word is supposed to refer to a person with unjustified and unreasonable belief of something, when now it's just used to refer to "someone that says something I don't like, but I'm part of an ingroup so I can call them a bigot, regardless of if they had a good point or not".

>>55745541
>a day after the announcement some troon shoots up a school
>everyone involved bails
lmao

>>55745541
>April 1
Sure this wasnt an April fools joke?

>>55792419
Well, it's SEA hours, so probably

>>55792589
holy shit

>>55792498
No, you just disagree on what unjustified and unreasonable beliefs are.

>>55792859
Well no, because if someone disagrees with your beliefs than that means they also have beliefs you disagree on.

But if those beliefs they have are milquetoast and inoffensive, even though they are easily disproven or debunked based on factual evidence, that doesn't make them a bigot by modern definitions.

>>55790036
I'll give it a shot

1. Social role that, while traditionally associated with certain physical characteristics, doesn't have to be as this role can be performed by others as well.
2. Same as above, just a different one.
3. and 4. Someone who was originally identified by others in one social role but chooses to present themselves in another role. Physical surgery is often, but not always, performed in order to align the gender they identify as with the most commonly socially associated physical characteristics. This is frequently done to relieve stress caused by gender dysphoria, which can occur with this mismatch of internal identity and the socially associated physical characteristics.
Sometimes regarded as an identity of it's own for the purpose of connecting with others who have had similar experiences in order to combat discrimination they have experienced.
5. Stuff in your pants. There's a bunch of weird stuff in between the two main ones but they are much less common.
6. A specific type of social role held by a person that influences how they are seen and how they act. People who identify as a certain gender will often wish to align their appearance and actions with a certain archetype of their gender, though some desire to expand the interpretation of their gender outside of these traditionally accepted archetypes and express themselves in a unique way. This is true for both trans and cis people (see: femboys or butch lesbians for common examples) Still, there are certain qualities that continue to be seen as feminine and masculine, and people who wish to align themselves with those qualities continue to exist in the trans community.

>>55745541
Charity for poor people - X
Charity for orphans - X
Charity for children with cancer - X
Charity for nature reserves - X
Charity for animal shelters - X
Charity for aid in deranged sexual desires and fantasies -

>>55745541
So do you

>>55795330

YWNBAW

>>55793221
And this is why people think you're retarded. Being a male isn't a social role. Being a male is a combined set of physical and physiological factors which strongly encourage a particular social role.

Your entire philosophy is ass backwards assuming that socialisation comes before the physical reality.