/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>55667583
Is Selen about to get the Zaion treatment?

>>55667649
She already is. Management is ganging up on her.

JP manager doesn't want EN leeching

> That's the statement I wrote
Sure you did, Selen.

>>55667879
lmao half the JP's are 2view shitters

>>55667583
So when she's going on "break"?

>>55667583
it's over...

>>55667583
holy fucking shit, it's actually over
>"I might be in a lot of trouble soon hahaha"
what the fuck is going on in niji lmfao

>>55667583

ninji is hell

>>55667583
Do they have a gun pointed to her head as she is reading this?

I’m actually feeling bad for her… joining a black company has dark consequences

>>55668436
her manager is standing behind her with a garotte around her neck
Selen, blink twice if you need help

That's a long fucking neck

>>55668011
>half
Most of them are.

>>55667583
Dragoons…. your laughing dragon….

>>55667583
Selen please take the indie pill

why this bitch sound like that? its like marimari and filian and a retarded baby.

>>55668502
>with a garotte
Yeah, giraffe-sized one

>>55667583
what is wrong with her tracking/rigging? it looks so bad.

>>55668618
You might not believe it, but OP edited it to be smaller

>>55669025
Thats the usual nijisanji rigging. 1 guy rigged all 300+ vtubers you cant expect quality from a literal chinese sweatshop

>>55668962
fuck you I almost spit out my drink KEK

>>55667583
Did she always had heterochromia?

>>55667699
wonder how long is her "list".

>I wrote this incredibly corporate-approved sounding statement that does not at all sound like it came from me
How fucking retarded are the people running this shitshow of a company? You don’t get the talent to read shit like this. It sounds like she’s being held fucking hostage.

>>55667649
Management already hates her, and the clique is also out for blood, she won't make it.

>>55669389
what did she even do to piss them off? I've always thought Selen was one of the less controversial Nijis, though admittedly I've stopped watching NijiEN for some months now

>>55667583
its so fucking over jesus

>>55667583
Holy shit, Selen, blink twice if you're in danger.

It is a triumph of Niji's perfidy that I now side with a person I actively despised until yesterday. Yes, she was cunt for calling Phase Connect a try hard vtuber agency, but compared to an entire company managed by cunts, I'll take her off my shit list.

>>55669444
Uncontoversial is the worst thing to be in companies like this. In a poisoned environment only toxic creatures can survive.

>>55667583
it's over

>>55667583
No sympathy since she willingly renewed her contract twice for a well known black company, and she'll do it again since she has stockholm syndrome. Should've quit while she was ahead.

>>55669656
tfw nijiEN is actually just a Gu poison pot
all we need is for Enna and Kyo to fight to the death and well have the most poisonous insect of the lot

>>55669844
Nah shes in with Apex people now and they seem to love her. Shes going to drop asap. Probably full indie so she doesn't have persona shock every time she has to graduate.

>>55669444
Dared to ask for permissions to have a prize in her little meme tournament

>>55669912
if she spoke Japanese vspo would actually be a good option, plus she wouldn't be the only ex-Niji refugee there lmao
unfortunately she doesn't so wcyd

>>55667583
that's hilarious

>>55667583
qrd?

>>55669964
Wait do you mean Puyo? Didn't she say there was a trophy being made? did that ever get delivered

>>55667583
Jesus Christ I feel so bad for her, what kind of Stockholm syndrome bullshit is it that she's still staying with them.

Slen...
There's plenty of places she could go and find friends.
She already has many now that she plays with.
>>55670007
Brave are launching an EN unit. Well, launched.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCffASWaVk1PFnpC-gTvuJgw
Not under the VSPO thing, but it's close enough.
But I also must do
>""""""BRAVE"""""""
| worry they will fuck up VSPO as well, like they've done in the past.

>>55667583
>https://files.catbox.moe/dpbbtf.mp4
there is a chance she is gaslit enough that she makes herself believe what niggersanji management is feeding heris the truth. a classic abusive relationship so to speak.

I hope it isnt the case.

But we now know clear as day that the management doesnt work with you or for your success, they work against you

>>55670591
>a classic abusive relationship so to speak
I want to marry Selen and gaslit her into thinking that our it's her fault that our marriage isn't working out

They are isolating off the en branch so they can remove it

>>55668011
>>55668692
ENtards are so delusional. Only a handful of JPs can manage to get 2view streams if they sabotage themselves or with huge tourney overlap. The leeching part here comes from the fact that EN almost never manages to get 10k+ streams whereas they are common on the JP side. It's close to impossible for ENshitters to summon numbers without JP now that the Chinese are mostly gone and no one who understands English wants to watch them.

>>55670344
Money, obviously

>>55669632
>Yes, she was cunt for calling Phase Connect a try hard vtuber agency
She didn't do that. If you're thinking of posting the clip, watch first.

>>55669063
When you mistreat your talent with the best rigged model.....

>>55667583
I mean... yes, it sounds really scripted kek

>>55668953
Speech deficit + fat

>>55670075
I think what he's referencing is the artistic outfit contest she was holding. With a prize pool being her own money.
Managment dragged their feet and denied and she got super pissed about it (just like the last ten times)

Reminder that she browses /here/ and has shared jokes from /nijiEN/ as they were being liveposted

Any of these cries for help could be coming from her

>>55670344
It’s probably a prerequisite that she needs to say this just so management will let her graduate in peace. If she doesn’t and she makes one tiny infraction afterwards, Anycolor will pull a Zaion on her and sic their entire fanbase onto them using anything they can as an excuse.
Then they’ll have dumb shits like Finana to say how she was “gaslit” by Selen the whole time she was at NijiEN or how Kotoka/Enna/Elira can’t even wish Selen good luck, just to add a tiny bit of believability so the Nijicultists don’t question it.

>>55672009
wow can't believe Selen was a cunt the whole time, only someone truly evil could gaslight a cinnamon roll like Finana like that

>>55669343
Should we make up a predicted list? That might be a fun time. I don't watch Selen, or I'd start making up the charges myself.

Is Niji actually this much of a clusterfuck? Thought it was just /vt/ being tribalfags as always because MUH HOLOLIVE BOARD.

>>55672111
yes, there are a few shitters and the males are boring but management seems to love torturing anyone in there with ambition

>>55672111
Us being retards thirsty for rumours doesn't make Niji any less shitty. Their fault for feeding us.

>>55667583
come join the good side Selen, we have room in HoloID

Save her Mumei...

>>55672111
The whole Zaion saga is a must-read if you want a glimpse at what's going on behind the scenes

you guys twist litterally everything, she says its not going to sound natural because she chose to write something so she didn't fuck up what she said because she knows people just like you are waiting to see what she says to see how you can twist it, she doesn't do anymore apologizing than she did in her original tweets which is just apologizing to her fans because she wont be able to do what she promised them anymore

>>55672111
NijiEN has been a clusterfuck since last year. Most of the people dogging on it here are disenfranchised fans who dealt with nothing but bad news for the better part of this year.
It’s like they’re speed running the rise and fall of a major corpo.

>>55672111
Nijisanji is run with Japanese corporation levels of communication and Silicon Valley goals and expectations, and EN is staffed with Indians who bring in typical Indian manager levels of rapaciousness and dishonesty. However bad it seems on the surface, it's likely much worse on the inside.

How's Selen's graduation gonna go with her Apex shit? Isn't she kinda known in Apex, and basically her own brand? Sucks that her model and names owned by niji.

>>55672602
>Mmm Riku's asshole tastes so good!

>>55672559
>uuuummm, sweatie, you've falsely claimed to be sponsored by Dee's Nuts, this is serious business
Jesus fucking Christ, death to corpo jannies.

>>55671976
Imagine if she was the OP from that black company thread.

>>55672897
She just has to play with rpr or some other bigname and have them "accidentally" call her selen and bam its all back

>>55671646
Still mad over this. I hope Sayu debuts with her new model soon.

>>55671924
not only that, they changed the rules of it after Selen announced it and then there was the whole "artist rights" shit they wrote like fucking mongoloids thinking they could pull a Nintendo with it which only got her under fire, to the point she actually ended up making a vague tweet on her rm about it lmao

>>55672897
>Isn't she kinda known in Apex
lol
lmao even

After Selen graduates where do you think she's going? My bet is either Phase or Idol

>>55673283
Phase would be cool and it would make the board explode since there are still retards believing the "Selen insulted Pippa!" from that out of context clip kek

>>55673283
esports pros are no longer profitable so some orgs are starting to work as content creator agencies, Liquid is a good example of that.
So probably XSET or TSM will pick her up like that, given the networking she's been building thsi entire fucking year

>wants to hold a fall guy tournament
>instantly wins it

>>55673339
tsm actually sounds sort of plausible considering they already signed shibuya hal

>>55673220
Last I heard her mama won't be able to complete her new model until september, I will be patiently waiting

>>55672470
she's sad, at most she can quit and be a hololive manager i guess

>>55673283
Hololive would be an improvement
If not, PC or that FPS vtuber company are there too with decent audience
She might go indie for a time before joining another corpo though

>>55673283
Neither. Unless VSPO creates EN branch, she will just be indie.

>>55672559
Why does anyone still support this company?

>>55673283
Full indie. She doesn't have a lot to gain from a second corpo gig.

>>55667583
>*metallic click sound*
>*points gun at her nape*
>"read it Selene"

>>55673283
Did phasebeggars memoryhole the time when selen shat on phase
she unironically said literally who the the fuck is phaseconnect

>>55673283
Coco's home for abused girls.

>>55673283
Indie. Only Hololive would be an upgrade, Vshojo would be a side grade at best, anything else probably wouldn’t be worth it.

>>55673781
It got memoryholed because it wasn't true. Next.

>>55672559
>6
That's fucking bullshit, Finana also did that in her debut

>>55673462
they signed hal? all the more reason then lmao, theyve kept shilling each other for the last like 3 months

>>55673318
>>55673781
KEK

>>55673283
Both Phase and Idol would be downgrades for Selen in their current forms.
VSPO would need an EN branch for her to join that.

The most likely bet is her going indie since she has enough contacts and she'd be much happier with the flexibility.
Or Mumei nepos her into HoloEN's wave 4 since they still badly need a gamer and event coordinator.
I'd also say Selen would be the bro gamer Ame wanted to be, but never was able to pull off.

>>55673415

>>55674044
Longer

>>55673891
That whole list was bullshit since a lot of talents were guilty of doing the same things. Management just wanted an excuse to boot Zaion out for not being a good submissive little jap like Kotoka and Meloco are. Not following management’s autistic chain of command was basically what did her in.

>>55673865
Lol
Lmao
Who is this girl called again? Salen? From that irrelevant corp how was it again? Nanjisonji?

>>55673817
Yeah vshojo came into my mind, whatever bullshit they could have, owning your IP is always tempting so you don't have to go scorched-earth if it all goes south with the company.

>I want to get the elephant out of the room
Is she talking about herself?

>>55667583
She should really get out before they fire her so they can't outright slander her like they did Zaion

>>55674136
>t.retarded dramatard pretending that the insult was real

>>55674183
if they do suspensions hidden as vacations, then surely they aren't below saying they terminated a vtuber who actually quit.

>>55674244
Not if she goes out blaze-of-glory style and tweets out "FUCK YALL I QUIT" before any announcement goes out

>>55668953
what are you saying?

>>55674220
>i-it wasn't real
>but she deserved it

>>55674453
>out of content clip
Might as well be a thumbnail watcher lmao

>>55673864
on the esports side of things it would be great
But i dunno if she would like the whole dance and singing aspect,i mean at the level Hololive wants from its talents right now

>>55672897
You see that dtto girl she keeps collabing with?
This is the 2nd persona Selen has known her as, and dtto has played with 3 versions of La+.
The FPS scene doesn't care, they treat it like an in-game name change.

>>55673283
Word on the streets is that Brave has been preparing a VSPO EN branch.

>>55667583
Yeah, she's reading a script alright. They even forced her to say
>I wrote that statement
Also
>I might be in a lot of trouble soon hahahahaha
How much more of a black company can Nijisanji become? They just keep reaching new lows. This is really bad kek.

>>55672559
>suspended for DMing another manager

Lol

>>55667583
Selen... You know what you must do

>>55672111
It's for-profit dysfunctional family.

>>55674510
>out of context
Oh so it was real

>>55674803
The stream? Yes
The Narrative? lmao

>>55674756
Selen... there is a spot in council&irys open. Take your spot as Celest Yuni, the watcher of space.

>>55667583
the retard who keep posting apologize thread, here is your apology.

>>55674391
my retarded friend..

>>55674730
She already said she got in trouble once. Who knows, maybe Nijisanji’s own management wants to hold a monopoly on international collabs for whatever inane reason.

>>55675044
They're trying to quarantine NijiEN from the rest of the company so none of the other branches get infected by the rampant cliquiness and mismanagement. It won't work.

>>55669912
>>55670007
>>55670445
>>55672291
>>55672897
>>55673116
>>55673283
>>55673339
>>55673462
>>55673722
As some anons said, Selen has already built her bridges and already made connections with relevant people in the apex world. She's playing with them on twitch right now >>55672560
If she graduates, she will most likely join an esports org.

>Notice of Selen Tatsuki's termination.
>She has commited a series of offenses such as:
> - organizing an illegal Fall Guys tournament
> - letting her viewers and sponsors down with her poor Apex Legend performances
> - hurting the feelings of Chinese people by speaking Cantonese on stream
> - hurting the feelings of British people by mocking the Queen's death
> - generally making her colleagues uncomfortable
> - Deez Nuts jokes

>>55675505
Not to mention offering cash prizes for artists for an art contest. How dare she?

>55675465
>mass reply linking his shitty bait thread

>>55672559
>point 7
Pretty sure this document dropped around the same time Kiara and a couple Nijis tried to play that same version of UNO and spent hours trying to get a game going only to end up switching to Gartic phone. Gotta love Ubisoft.

>>55675505
KEK
> - hurting the feelings of British people by mocking the Queen's death
this one is legit... F o7

>>55672559
Isn't this image cropped?

>>55667583
does someone have a reupload of this that isn't on catbox? it's being really fucking slow for me right now.

>>55675743
https://www.youtube.com/live/QBfVpHHU2rU?feature=share&t=10515

>>55675743
The VOD is still up:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBfVpHHU2rU&t=10509s

Was Selen friends with Noct before the Tempus Apex tournament or did they introduce him to her?

>>55675205
Too late for that, those were issues in NijiKR well before NijiEN got off the ground. History just seems to be repeating itself.

>>55675984
tbf, NijiKR died the moment Bora graduated

>>55675984
There was a NijiKR?

>>55667583
Why is nijisanji like this?
Why are you like this, Nijisanji? Why? What did the world do to you?

>>55676067
Same with NijiIndia. KR fell apart due to horrific mismanagement to where even NijiJP’s regular management was an improvement, a talent exodus of small and incredibly big hitters, and apparently one talent called Chae Ara tried to run shit.

>>55673781>>55669632
Cliptranny...

I don’t see what the big deal is. Just let her do it. Did she break some company policy or something?

>>55673283
Indie or Vshitshow

>>55673283
Briefly indie, then whatever esports org wants to sign her. Probably Mythic, they're collecting VTubers like Infinity Stones

>>55673781
Actual retard.

>>55667583

Ollie is going to bring her into Hololive.

Hate seeing her like this. I hope she leaves for greener pastures soon.

>>55674944
>>55674391
He doesn't look retarded.

>>55673864
>Vshojo would be a side grade at best
Seems to be better at every level compared to Niji to me.

This is actually kinda sad 'coz Selen is one of the good Nijis. In fact, she's based and good hearted. The good thing would be for her to graduate and look for greener pastures I think. Hololive is now out of the question, but VShojo works well for Henya or she could simply become an indie

>>55679961
>vshojo
PLEASE NO

>>55679961
I feel she's preparing to leave for a while. She's doing far less projects than before. If she pulls a Dtto and becomes a twitch indie she's 100% going to be fine. She has a lot of networking even in Holo.

>>55667583
Selen didn't write it, her manager didn't write it. openai wrote it.

>>55680147
Worked great for Henya.

>>55679961
It's a warning about how bad management can ruin a talent.
Imagine the alternate timeline where Selen got into Council instead of Bae.

>>55679961
I rather her to be with Pippa on PC talking about Xi Jinping than being there

>Selen second stream after wisdom tooth surgery recovery
>It's Apex
>New season launch day
>Struggles to keep 2k
vs
>Invited last minute for battlebit on twitch rivals
>1 day notice to the fans and is on her twitch channel
>2.4k watching, 10º place on the battlebit category
Time to go indie Selen, the twitchfags will save you, they know you but won't go to YT

>>55680147
Vshojo shill here i actually agree with you they have nothing to offer her. I think she would do quite well on VSPO or mythic instead since they are an esports focused group

>>55680489
Sorry to burts your bubble but she has that CCV on Twitch because of the drops from Battlebit...

>>55667583
That's not even fun anymore

>>55680564
Exactly she can use promotions / drops / twitch events that she couldnt do on youtube

>>55680533
I don't think selen would like to be in that brothel you call vshojo, if anything she would join a team as a content creater like dtto going to scarz, but for nocts team.

>>55667583
Holy fuck. So they just don't let the ENs play with the rest of the company or organize events with them?
Is it because Nijisanji is such a garbage piece of shit company, or is it because NijiEN is actually that bad and the rest of the company doesn't want anything to do with them?
Either way, if I were her, I'd fucking quit over this because I can't imagine being treated worse than being told you can't associate with your coworkers only because they're Japanese and you're not. She's literally being treated like trash.
What a shit hole.

>>55680533
Does Nijisanji have a cooldown after graduation?

>>55680613
That's not organic and as a Dragoon I rather her to be a 1K shitter but with loyal Dragoons than a fan base full of Apex tourist and / or Drop tourist
It's already happening after the Vsaikyo saga so I hope she can recover with time and if she graduates I hope for a better company

>>55680673
Did Melody ever continue to play this? I'm miffed she skipped over the futa girl given it's clear the devs put the most work into her.

>>55667583
>No, you cannot play or interact with our Japanese livers and we will never let you do so.
Just fucking quit. What a racist, chink-like company.

>>55680760
i have now idea, the video got recomended to me in a porn site.

>>55680760
futa is disgusting and that artstyle is tumblr rednose tier.

>>55680673
Shameless

>>55680673
Did you even read what i said? I just said despite being a vshojo shill i think vshojo has nothing to offer her

>>55680924
serious question, why watch vshojo instead of straight up hentai, i don't understand.

>>55679411
It could be now that Henya is there and the two can interact. But when I say sidegrade I mean more than it’s not really a downgrade or an upgrade in terms of numbers.
Granted the pros really outweigh the cons at this point. Henya’s getting a 3D model soon IIRC, Selen doesn’t need to worry about autistic Japanese permissions, and if she just wants to do react content there’s no autistic rules stopping her, like “YOU NEED TO ASK THE CREATOR PERMISSION TO REACT TO IT”

>>55680983
Because i enjoy whores like melody attempting to be wholesome on the confines of twitch. Also i think henya is adorable and kson shenanigans is hilarious to me
I would think you have more common sense than the average tribalfag because you are a dragoon but like with your nijiEN clippers the clips do not represent the actual content of our vshojo girls or do you think everyone in nijien is a coombaiting manwhore like voxx

>>55675465
>If she graduates, she will most likely join an esports org.
Only as a pet. She doesn't have what it needs to be in a competitive esport team.

>>55680564
Which is something she can never do on Youtube
or you gonna forget she now has content creator benefits with Apex? She could have been enableing garbage apex drops for at least 4 months on twitch

>>55681186
Unfortunately, trubalfagging is rather common for dragoons, as well. Most of them are just paranoid about everything around them being a bait of sorts, so the judgment is clouded a bit.
t. a day-1 dragoon that can't bear to look in /haha/ half the time because cringe would kill me

>>55681880
ain't that what everybody does?
Vienna for C9, iPN for some literalwho org she already left, dtto for Scarz
these orgs sign up streamers but nothing comes from that

This bait thread again, so who was watching selen twitch rival this afternoon, raise your hand to prove that you actually care about her

>>55673415
kek

I don't really do the whole "idol culture" thing, what's so bad about setting up a tournament with JP streamers? Did she just mess up a bunch of plans and schedules or is there some insane social taboo about EN and JP streamers interacting? What's the big deal?

>>55682090
I find that hard to believe because i know alot of dragoons irl and i used to play overwatch waaay back then a bit seriously so i watched selen even before she became a vtuber since she was quite popular on twitch. i am familiar with her fandom alot… maybe not here in /vt/ but in general yes dragoons are very competitive faggots but are nice people in general not counting catalog brainrotted /vt/ drek. I can also understand that their oshi is under alot of stress atm due to factors they cant even control thats why they are a bit highstrung atm

>>55681186
i don't watch nijisanji or clips, i just watch selen streams.

How long are you guys gonna keep begging for Selen ? Kek. She streams with guys 90% of the time, she has no interest in idols or their culture and curses like a sailor. She'd be less popular than Kiara in hololive and have antis out the ass. But you do you I guess

>>55682797
Then i expect more from you buddy

>>55667583
What's funny is that if someone from Niji killed themselves you'd probably see the company reveal all their "wrongdoings" and have all the company chuubas say how they were always breaking rules.

>>55683111
People who do ironically havent seen a single stream of selen and just want her because her joining makes their tribe stronger. I can honestly relate because i see alot of “Y DINdt PikaMEee join muh HOLoLIVe” its best to just ignore those since they contribute zero to the discussion

>>55683111
Is cursing and streaming with guys bad now?

>>55667583
Didn't she have better enunciation before? She's talking like she has something in her mouth

>>55670591
>reddit spacing
>immediate comparisons with abusive relationships
like a mouse and cheese…

>>55683714
answer me very honestly: do you want someone who collabs with males to join hololive? with non-chuuba, regular twitch streamer males? like let's be serious.

>>55683867
Nah she just has managements gun pointed at her back

>>55683867
a bunch of stitches from a recent surgery, why?

>>55667583
>https://files.catbox.moe/dpbbtf.mp4
welp it was a good run

>>55683993
If the collabs are entertaining then sure, why not? What is there to object to?

>>55684453
As far I am aware Kronii drama happened after what was an entertaning collab
you know damn well entertainment value means nothing to the spergs

>>55683111
Some people are still gosling or attached to Selen from the pre luxiem days. She's the only nijien girl who still gets her own split. So I get it, they want her somewhere they think would treat her better but forget it's probably not where she wants to be now. But swearing/male collabs aren't off limits for hololive talents, it may hurt their numbers if they have nothing else going for them. But I see her going indie if anything. Or if vspoEN becomes a thing.

>>55683867
Yeah
Me

>>55684453
fans already can't agree on if collabs between the girls and the males from the same company are ok, bringing normalfag apex streamers into the mix will just make it even worse. the only holo that can somehow get away with shit like this is towa.

>>55683111
If Selen were in Hololive the same people begging for her to join would be anti'ing her for being the biggest male collaber in the company. She would be better as an indie.

>>55672211
Basically this, if they don't want to be relentlessly shit talked they should stop relentlessly fucking shit up. That seems an impossible mode challenge for them however.

Overall I think the thing that soured them was the idea of Selen giving anything back to her fans, like "how DARE she give back some of her own money to fans, that's OUR prize we OWN her, she can't be nice we won't let her give away a penny." As to why they would care so much about -that- I would hazard a guess they are afraid it would set a precedent and/or make other livers look a bit worse in comparison. It is very possible an EN girl (or maybe even boy) doesn't like Selen being nice to her fans and wants to fuck her over, like I could easily see Enna getting mad Selen doesn't openly hate her fans/vtubers and bitched to management she shouldn't be allowed to do that. Either that or a JP staff with an ax to grind against EN.

>>55685325
>how DARE she give back some of her own money to fans
it would be fine if they weren't a JP company. Japan is known for avoiding money prizes because of laws about it. It's never money. It's always like a year long supply of canned coffee or tech like headphones or cars etc.

>>55674027
Why does everyone think Mumei and Selen are bffs? They got into their respective corpo’s and literally didn’t speak to one another for a year and a half, from their own mouths.

>>55685571
Anon, Selen said she played with Mumei a few times off stream on Overwatch, talked with Ame about projects and recently she started to talk again with Ollie
Ofc they might not be mega hyper friends that talk every day but they have a good connection, I still remember when Moom and Zeta joined her Birthday zatsu

>>55669444
Selen has always been shorted by management for some reason, even before then went full black company.

>>55669389
I thought she was part of the The Clique™.

>>55686105
even Pomu kind of mildly diswoned her (though according to Selen they are planning something together). Probably after she actually feuded with management instead of crying on members stream like Pomu does.

>>55684640
Kind of, but I genuinely don't get what they're interested in if not entertainment.

>>55684834
I think you're confusing a few schizo retards with actual fans. The big autistic meltdowns over Tempus collabs haven't affected any of the girls involved.

>>55667583
Dragoons... to war!!!

>>55667583
Personal, mostly baseless rrat:
After Selen put her foot down and demanded her old manager back, upper management conceded, but are passively retaliating by tightening her leash. Seems like a somewhat similar situation to Zaion going over her then-current (and apparently inexperienced) manager's head by asking for help from the manager she and the rest of XSoleil had during training. It kinda sounded like it was the start of her descent within Niji, at least the way Zaion told it.

>>55673283
I cannot see her fitting into either of those companies. I think she'll go indie.

>>55672111
anycolor is legit one of the most horrendous dogshit companies in the entire scene
honestly the only worse one I can think of is wactor

>>55673283
Moom will get her into EN4

>>55677276
She broke the company policy of "you must kowtow to Enna"

It's shocking that Selen is getting flak from management for something as dumb as this, yet Enna is able to openly, blatantly says she hates her fans and the vtubing industry on stream and apparently get away scot-free

>>55693623
It doesn't get more complicated than
>Selen is not on management's good side, the XSOLEIL manager is pissed off enough that he now views her as a mortal enemy because she knows better than to be managed by a then at the time 2-week old rookie. He's going to find some way to get her to quit even if it comes as a consequence of NijiEN's fanbase/branch morale.
>Enna has management's approval (for now anyways). She could shoot up heroin on stream and she'd still be defended by them.

>>55693623
Management is effectively under Enna's thumb right now. Anyone she doesn't like gets punished for existing, anyone she does like can do anything they want.

>>55667583
Really makes you wonder what happened since XSOLEIL to have management be so fucking terrible on the ENside.

Talents weren't always this unhappy

>>55671057
You do know nijisanji uses bots right? This has been confirmed

I thought Nijisanji was suppose to have more creative freedom?

>>55695310
They seemed to up until AnyColor went publicly traded (happened in the first half of 2022), which is usually the death of creativity for entertainment companies.

>>55693623
She's always had flak from management. Selen played it off more positively than now, but way back in 2021 she actually got a stealth suspension for Commissioning her,Pomu,and Rosemi the VR chat models/world for her birthday.

>>55672761
It's all just cutthroat shit in a job that doesn't need to be cutthroat at all

>>55673283
Indie you'd have to be retarded to actually go corpo again

>>55694309
She's like Chae Ara from NijiKR, someone who apparently is a bully behind the scenes and slandered a ton of people in her branch before new management came into the picture. They even both share the angelic being motif oddly enough.

>>55693623
>Enna is able to openly, blatantly says she hates her fans and the vtubing industry on stream and apparently get away scot-free
Clip? Spoon feed me I'm baby, way wah

>>55695554
>They seemed to

no, this is what all the newfags and trolls like to say. What happened is anycolor had thier growing pains in vtubing back in like 2017-19, before cover even opened its doors. as a result they had most of the hickups cover ran into out of the way (usually much worse) years before anyone even watched vtubers.

Cover is a cautious company, and has a different focus from anycolor, cover is in the virtual idol business, and everything that entails. anycolor is in the streaming business, as a result thier streamers weren't consigned into a "vitual idol" box. To outsiders this looks like they had more "creative freedom" but in reality they just had more established corperate rules in place, meaning most employees knew what they could do and couldn't do. the problem anycolor is running into is they never figured out the foreign branch thing. their original branches (ID/EN-INDIA) both were folded... again long before Cover was even a thing, or westerners even knew about vtubers.

currently you're seeing a new type of growing pain with anycolor's oppressive japanese black company culture running headlong into rapidly expanded foreign branches and almost no managers for those talents. I suspect there is a massive culture clash going on inside the company.

>>55695802
If it's a non-Japanese corpo she might not mind

>>55700014
Yeah the main issue is that they tried to keep the rapid expansion shit going just because.

Selen...don't let them fire you....go ounknown your own terms

>>55685571
Anon chama, if you did your reps you'd know that Mumei and Selen were friends before they joined their corpos. And this isn't secret RM shit, they told a story of when they got accepted into their respective corpos, they assumed the other was accepted to it as well when they talked to each other during their stream.

Unless Ina totally ruined any chance of nepotism due to how Sana turned out, I could see Mumei vouching and lobbying for Selen to get into HoloEN if she graduates from NijiEN. Just like Kiara could do the same for Nina right now, and Pomu if she ever leaves, though I suspect Pomu would rather go down with the ship than give up on the company.

>>55680892
>Characters don't have noses
>tumblr rednose tier
Que?

>>55668436
The gun of termination followed by slander that she's legally unable to defend herself from

>>55669444
She's Chinese but not mainland Chinese, so they hate her for being a reminder that there is no one China

>>55707919
>EN4 is just going to be Zaion, Nina, Pomu, Selen, and someone who is very clearly Mysta with a voice changer
>Everyone privately refers to them as "Niji Sloppy Seconds"

>>55707919
>Mumei
>Kiara
Thank god, now I can rest assured that not of those three whores have a real chance to enter Holo (well, realistic only two because Pomu drunk the kool-aid and never would leave the cult).

>>55700014
>new type of growing pain
as if they didn't have other foreign branches that they mishandled so bad they dissolved both of them in one sweep. Niji black company culture doesn't learn from its mistakes.
The only foreign branch that managed not to get shit up is the chinese branch but only because it's controlled entirely by chinese and commies know how to handle other commies.

>>55711524
Pomu won't leave on her own, but she'll be one of the first to get kicked when management starts getting desperate

>>55672602
this is what i believe, fuck this board

>>55667649
I hope so.
If you going to quit, do it with banger

>>55667649
>Is Selen about to get the Zaion treatment?
Not a great idea if so

>>55667583
you can hear the voice cracks, the black company is actually breaking her

>>55667649
Considering someone is already bombarding the catalog with "Selen hate" threads and throwing everything from playing with Nocturnal to reminding everyone of her past slip ups like getting angry during tournament, they have already begun.

>>55717153
God I fucking hate Nijisanji
I hope everyone decent leaves them and is successful on their own

>>55667583
Just go indie and marry Nocturnal already

>>55680760
what VN is this? post got deleted?

>>55718975
Futa dine and dash

>>55719124
You mean Futa Fix Dick Dine and Dash?

>>55717153
Yep, they are on full force... I wish they keep getting kicked on the floor, basically this >>55717549

>>55673062
You're gonna have to be more specific

>>55669343
>>55672091
funny how you say "list" when only zaion had that. Selen wont be terminated, retards.

>>55719124
>>55719238
how did she play either of these games and not go the futa route? do they even have non futas?

>>55694983
I was more thinking about what happened since ILUNA because that’s when the genuinely terrible hiring decisions cropped up, the first sign I would say that something terrible happened to management.

>>55719927
Yeah, whoever was in charge with the Aia, Aster, Kyo, Scarle hirings... I have no words

>>55667583
I don't think losing their most subbed female or a member of a trio would look good in the public's eye. They cannot be this retarded.

>>55721737
Doesn't matter, they'll just release another wave and put out some document full of bullshit to get the sisters to anti her

>>55681147
>But when I say sidegrade I mean more than it’s not really a downgrade or an upgrade in terms of numbers.
Vshojo seems to be getting better numbers than Niji on average, I could see her getting a modest buff if she were to switch. Obviously not as big of a buff as she could get in Hololive but vshojo has other advantages like you mentioned.

the only thing I understand less than fans asking where a disenfranchised "graduated with two bullets in the back of their skull" kurosanji talent is going to get picked up next are the ones that actually want to try and go back into that pool of sharks instead of staying indie

>>55667583
>Dear Dragoons
>As I write this I am very sad. Our branch has been overthrown...
>AND REPLCAED BY THE BEVEVOLENT RIKU TAZUMI
>ALL HAIL RIKU AND HIS GLORIOUS NEW YACHT
>sincerely purple girl

>>55721737
they fucking kicked Gundou off for the pettiest pretense. They dont care at all

>>55667583
Basically, if you try to be "too ambitious" with stuff like big projects, you could get on management's bad side.

>>55667583
Just fucking leave that shit company selen

>>55673283
indie or VSPO if they decide to do an EN branch

>>55674114
>a lot of talents were guilty of doing the same things
Yeah, NEBER FORGET:
>Using a copyrighted song in her stream without prior authorization
Luca hasn't apologised: >>/vt/thread/S23331437#
Uki fucks with Disney: >>/vt/thread/S25840152#p25842536#
>Revealing internal information that can potentially cause issues for stakeholders during her stream
Everyone revealed how assblasted they are. Zaion's probably in it too. https://youtu.be/zg2XZDyi7Vs [Embed]
>Making statements that could lead to speculation or leaking of internal information using social media accounts that she personally operates, during her activity suspension time
Led to speculation and slander of rival companies: https://files.catbox.moe/615dx3.png
Led to speculation about event cancellation: https://files.catbox.moe/8x52vs.jpg & https://files.catbox.moe/q089sc.png
Led to speculation about merchandise profits: https://files.catbox.moe/33y8k4.mp4
Her Streamlabs was terminated by this point if it refers to liking of comments.
>Offensive remarks regarding discrimination and sexual assault
"Rape joke" on fictional character: https://youtu.be/0tkQAkTSREM [Embed]
Mentioned rape: https://youtu.be/LwftoO7-1lo [Embed]
Reads comment calling her queen of jews: https://youtu.be/Xa38OJjHe2I [Embed]
Soviet Union joke: https://youtu.be/leCK_in8bJo [Embed]
Racism against Sikh characters: https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxWwUzINSE6pSdX9GW_X1FBY7ZSpPEOulo
Stereotyping accent: https://twitter.com/meIomaid/status/1585489887620366336
White face: https://archive.is/WbisT
Misusing black features: https://twitter.com/kanae_2434/status/1520196872744316928
Liking women vulnerable: https://files.catbox.moe/p0vz00.mkv
HIV "joke": https://files.catbox.moe/oucrjs.mp4
Man uncomfortable with sexual assault jokes shows dildo in front of audience of minors (video not age restricted): https://streamable.com/pn89he
Fans try to bury incident: https://files.catbox.moe/7rc52y.png
Kotoka teaches Mysta how to declare anal sex: https://youtu.be/n0skgeKVyjE?t=415s [Embed]
Mysta uses it on Riku Tazumi (it's ok, he's drunk): https://youtu.be/tPKszHFkToc?t=80 [Embed]
Orally raped her sister indirectly: https://youtu.be/z4nDZTAksLM [Embed]
Joke about genocide of fictional people: https://files.catbox.moe/vam5mu.png
>Several infringements of the Rules pertaining to the use of games defined by ANYCOLOR Inc. (including intentional infringements) and repeated false justifications given to ANYCOLOR Inc. regarding these infringements
Zaion fucked up. No idea what these rules are.
>Expressing her will to perform streams using illegal games (also referred to as pirate games)
Expressed her will meaning she didn't do it. You can't capture footage from a 3DS without a third party capture card or software which requires custom firmware. Game and console modding are both illegal in Japan. Most likely to be emulation. https://web.archive.org/web/20200806000920/https://www.nintendo.com/corp/legal.jsp
https://youtu.be/uc-FZGqMsLg [Embed]
https://youtu.be/1KrS-xfO57E [Embed]
Another possible reason is that Zaion talked about playing romhacks or using emulators.
>Comments that can be considered offensive to the rights holder of a game during a stream
If the rights holder were such pussies then they should shut the fuck up and delete their game.
May refer to an island in Genshin called AIDS by the community, but HoYoverse gives no fucks about the word: https://files.catbox.moe/rpttcq.png
>Giving false information to other NIJISANJI EN Livers regarding the contents of her communications with ANYCOLOR Inc.
Zaion fucked up. I do not trust Finana's statement given her history.
Zaion was forced to give false information to her fans by management: https://files.catbox.moe/u1t1ni.png
>Falsely claiming to have received permission from ANYCOLOR Inc. after a viewer commented on Zaion performing an action prohibited by the Rules
Zaion fucked up if true.
>Falsely claiming to be sponsored by a brand during a stream
Raid Shadow Legends and deez nuts jokes. Management is out of touch with the world.
Turning Amamiya Kokoro's name into a deez nuts joke:
https://files.catbox.moe/85ybja.mp4
>Giving "likes" to comments falling under defamation of NIJISANJI Livers and ANYCOLOR Inc., using social media accounts that she peronally operates
Zaion's Streamlabs was terminated at this point. It should be free reign for her to use her private social media in any way she wants.
"Defamation" of other vtubers not in their company: https://files.catbox.moe/23ybzo.mp4
>Numerous other actions and comments infringing the Contract and Rules
Incapable management thinking etcetera is acceptable. If putting someone on blast then it like the main branch: https://twitter.com/nijisanji_app/status/1318898278059053057

Other "offenses" that did not lead to termination: https://rentry.org/exx63 and https://streamable.com/2qgth0
Just behave for a bit to wipe their slates clean: https://streamable.com/51juoi

>>55720581
they numberfagged extremely hard is my guess. no way some of them would've gotten in if not for big PL subcounts

>>55700014
The only "idol" Cover had was Sora up until Sankisei happened when Yagoo decided its an Idol company now. What the fuck is with this revisionism?

>>55667583
She'll be fine

>>55667649
Start archiving now

>>55667649
>termination
unlikely
>graduation
i wouldn't blame her. do what you have to do.

>>55667649
They're combing her archives to make up a list of crimes so she "deserves" what they do to her

Selen is guilty of breaking the rules
of refusing to not break the rules
of failure to learn to not break the rules
Disobeying management orders to not break the rules
using an old account on a game, basically murder
Damaging the reputation of nijisanji, you know, ther good reputation niji has of being a good company that treats its staff fairly and has a very sane and stable fanbase

>>55673462
isn't TSM also black company levels of shit? or was just that their league side?

>>55681880
>Pet
Or the team's cum dump

>>55667583
Jesus fuck, just kill this branch already. It's just genuinely sad now.

>>55727421
I'm pretty sure that's what they are trying to do. A death by a thousand cuts if you will. Slow but painful death.

You'd think management would be careful about stuff like this, they must be aware their reputation in EN has taken serious damage lately so they should be trying to avoid things like this at all costs, whether they think it's justified or not.

Why do this? Its only purpose can be to humiliate the liver. Public apologies make sense if it's something that actively upset/involves viewers like shitting on China or something, but this appears to be basically a public apology for breaking internal processes the viewers won't even know about and certainly won't care about. What is the point except to embarrass the streamer?

>>55728175
It's for management to save face by forcing the liver to take responsibility for the fuck ups of management. Ironically it just makes management look even worse because it's just so blatant, especially when their reputation is as bad as it is, and we now know they force the livers to lie for them.

>>55728175
chinese idea of face is more important to them than anything human

>>55672111
The fundamental problem is that management doesn't really do anything. Selen's always had to do things on her own. She's incredibly ambitious.

>>55728175
She didn't apologize. God damn you people are so lazy you can't even watch clips posted in the thread.

She jumped the gun and announced shit before it was even approved, now she has to put out this message because you mongoloids keep making up rrats.

>>55673462
Wait doesn't Shibuya hal have his own company? Did they buy out all of Neosporte too?

>>55674027
She has such a good network she can literally grab 4 other female pred players currently in poverty and give them vtuber models and that would be an amazing gen 1 of vspo en

>>55728503
>She didn't apologize
>apology
>noun: apology; plural noun: apologies
>1. a regretful acknowledgement of an offence or failure.
Retardo, did you even watch the video? She aknlowded her mistake. That's an apology.

>>55728175
You can also ask why do suspension

>>55700014
The irony of calling people newfags while getting most of the history wrong
>Cover was founded 9 months before Anycolor
>Cover's first vtuber debuted 6 months earlier
>They weren't an idol company until they accidentally acquired .LIVE's fanbase, and in large part it was Aqua who pushed for it

The main reason Ichikara/Anycolor looked more professional earlier is they had boatloads of outside investment to hire industry veterans with, while Cover was a handful of video game developers with a bank loan. Nijisanji has always been more corporate.

>>55667583
didn't she got caught with the whole roomate account with Noc?

>>55729260
They are dating yes.

>>55686105
Clique is Elira, Enna, Millie, Petra, Uki, Kyo and Hex

You merely need to look at who Selen regularly plays co-op games with to see the line in the sand between those IN the clique and those outside it.

>>55729281
Who is Nocturnal?

>>55685551
Wait, I'm pretty sure I remember a few nijiJP tourneys with money prizes.

>>55729655
RPR's boyfriend

>>55674734
>NijiEN managers make retarded decisions and talent goes through different channels to reach a non-retarded one
>TERMINATED
>HoloEN managers make retarded decisions and talent goes through different channels to reach a non-retarded one
>Yagoo and A-chan clean house in HoloEN management
Really shows the different values of the companies

>>55674114
>>55723665
>Have a billion things that are considered rule violations
>Impossible not to a few of them just by chance
>Once authority has a bone to pick with you they just pull something from the enormous list and charge you with it
Corrupt authority works the same way the world over

>>55719389
Every scene involves Futa, but one of the other girls is a futa.

>>55728695
yes, he does and no, only hal is under tsm.
i'm not sure what it does for him though because he's basically just doing exactly what he did before he joined tsm. at least crylix appeared in some of their youtube videos but they really just announced hal and then did nothing involving him. maybe it's more about behind the scenes support? but i'm not in the know.

https://www.dexerto.com/entertainment/nijisanji-blocks-selen-tatsuki-from-hosting-international-events-2242395/
OH NO NO NO NO

>>55673116
You say that like everybody won't know it's her already from the audible body weight in her voice and apnea laughter

>>55672559
6. Didn't Finana also do this on her debut?

>>55676067
search for "ara chae" in the archives, it's one hell of a story

>>55682647
/NijiEN/ actively shits on her both inside and outside that thread, so the reaction is sort of understandable.

>>55683867
> She's talking like she has something in her mouth
yeah Riku's cock

>>55680178
>If she pulls a Dtto and becomes a twitch indie
PL?

>>55728175
Look up what a "struggle session" is.
And then remember that a lot of early NijiEN directors used to work for HoloCN under Bilili.

>>55731803
I'm honestly surprised Artia still hasn't applied for NijiEn lmao

>>55680178
>If she pulls a Dtto
I'm almost sure this is going to happen, since VSPO is probably not an option with her N99 nihongo. Just curious if she's going to go back to her old avatar or create somethinf entirely new

>>55732069
She was involved in another scandal on bilibili. It involved sexual favors for an iphone, NFTs, scam recruitments and her getting doxxed by her own fans/mods
Shes not even allowed to stream on twitch anymore

>>55731701
Really? So there really is a clique going on and poor selen is /out/. Stay strong dragoons stay with your oshi, follow and support her no matter where she goes tribe or no tribe its gonna be fine.
T.concerned tourist that used to watch selen’s rm

>>55731803
Is that why selen fought so hard to have her old manager back? Only to get “japanese backroom’d” and denied all her requests?

Honestly, once Selen is gone, and the chink drones gang up on her, I think that will be the final nail in the coffin for a lot of the original fans still sticking it out with NijiEN for whatever reason.

>>55735559
as proven by Zaion already, contacting anyone other than those in the chain of command is something that's termination-worthy sooo...

>>55735618
>a lot of the original fans
Trust me there's no 'a lot of' them in the first place, I feel like I was one of the last when I finally dropped them for good after Zaion graduation.

>>55735421
Don't be so weak as to believe catalog drama from the dregs of SEA on /vt/.

>>55731796
yeah, her corpo went under about a year ago and she redebuted almost immediately, with a few slip ups by selen calling her qu chan "by accident"

>>55680745
yeah... her channel has enough shitty tourists that don't watch anything but apex from her, there's no need to make it even worse

>>55669444
In her debut she didn't put "spread love of Nijisanji" on any of her slides.

A word of advice to bystanders. Selen is 'out' now so expect defamation of her character to start ramping up.

I don't mean the usual shitflinging either, expect to start seeing lots of 'well reasoned' essays about her character and why it's actually a 'good thing' that she's being isolated and thrown out of the company.
Nijien and their management are known to be chronically /here/ to the extent that issues on social media posts lasted over 24 hours without notice only to be fixed within an hour or two of being posted /here/.

They're /here/ and they will be doing black company shenanigans. Don't fall for the misinfo about Selen which has already started. Stay informed and remember that if something seems weirdly supportive of nijien while slandering Selen it's very likely misinfo being sown by them and their cohorts

>>55669444
it's probably JP autism with art contest prizes, PPT tourney organization, and other ideas that need too many approvals. niji managers aren't known to be helpful and pulling permissions for international collab hosting sounds up their alley, especially how petty they were with zaion

>>55723082
Wasn't Gundou the biggest female NijiJP anyway?

>>55737337
t. Paul Li

>>55675205
you say that like Jp isn't a den full of rampant cliquiness and mismanagement long before EN came along

>>55732069
she decided to go and start her own company instead

>>55667583
leave the dragon girl alone you heartless corporate pieces of shit
fuck nijisanji fucking guiltless assholes

>>55735266
thats the perfect resume for being an organ

>>55739444
holy shit intern kun is /here/ again.

>>55695192
Proof or it didn't happen

>>55740426
the nijinigger cries out in horror as his lies are exposed

>>55717732
Good Ending she needs