/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>55637977
Sisters, I...

>>55637977
I've already just read this and I make about half of what most of them get.

>>55637977
A certain something is missing from the "Accelerate Overseas Expansion" part. And I am absolutely loving it.

>>55638057
gib money

>>55638056
WOW THEY MAKE NO MONEY FIRE THEM etc.

You're telling me the entirety of holostars EN's share can be covered by 1 member of Holo EN? Cut that shit off and let the world heal

>>55637977
>holoen 7.5% sub growth YoY
lmao the branch was super dead

numbers go up

>>55638231
Imagine being omegatroon and being the only guy in Japan who actually gets fired.

>>55638056
It's not just about them being the runt on that list. They're absolutely shit.

>>55637977
Tempus blown the absolute fuck out. Terminate these shitters. Then take all the resources that were being wasted on them and give them to the girls.

>>55638259
>shows that En is still growing
>says they're dying
which one is it?

>>55638056
>brings in almost no money
>the opportunity cost is far in the negatives since they could have debuted quality girls instead
>PLUS THEY FUCKED WITH THE HOLOEN GIRLS BY INFECTING THEM WITH THE MALE VIRUS
just axe the whole homostarsEN branch

>>55638392
>[Headcanon]
Just kill yourself already

kobo saved holo id

>--

>>55638502
first year

>>>/vt/numbers

>>55638496
How about you kill yourself, you retarded homobeggar? They're a useless branch with no reason to exist.

holostars en not doing bad actually, they were only 4 talents for six months then 8. with 3d concerts and all they would outperform holostars jp who has dozens of talents.

** This Is Not Financial Advice **

>>55638567
nijiseethe

>>55638657
They make less combined that Sana solo fire them

>>55638056
That’s total channel subs, idiots. You can calculate that yourself in 2 seconds

>>55638350
EN minus the stars is fucking impressive for their size. EN viewers are merch buyers and concert viewers.

anyway, onto happier news

>>55638331
Omega isn't even Japanese nor a troon. She was a rich nepo hire. She quickly got tired of Holo and lazed about, like all rich spoil kids trying anything remotely hard

>>55638750
Okay, and? Does that somehow make tempiss' position any better?

>>55638366
Nijiniggers can't read graphs. Why do you think they're still supporting kurosanji?

>>55638657
>Tempus
>the least popular branch by a huge margin
>performing so poorly that even Stars JP mogs them
>not so bad

>>55638875
that's the total sub counts. it's easier to have more subs when you have more talents.

>>55638767
ONE PIECE

>>55638657
Having "only" four talents meant that, if the so-called "popular demand" was truly there, it would be heavily focused on them. You also need to consider that they'd been riding on the strength of the Hololive brand itself, with extreme astroturfing and substantial marketing that YAGOO himself participated in. Yet, the results now speak for themselves. It's absolutely grim.

can a good holo-nii make a summary for us low iq holobros?

>>55638928
They get only 40.7%?
Grim.

>>55638056
>Literally bring no money
>Shitting on HololiveEN income (Kronii merch sell, etc.)
Literal fucking cancer

>>55638907
Tempiss had four in the beginning, and 8 after one year. Advent has 5 and totally destroys them in both subs and CCVs barely weeks into their debut. How much longer are you sisters going to huff on that third-rate copium?

>>55638259
Time to terminate all Tempus

>>55638928

>>55639026
no 40.7% is the amount gained from just merchandising. Not public how much the cut is for for the talents. But they at least get money everything that involves them.

>>55638928
>>55639026
Hey it's time for another round of "/vt/ can't read"
That says 40% of their revenue is merchandising, and one of the largest cost items for that is revenue sharing, but it does not say anything about what the revenue share is

>>55638767
why they lying.. sees 2.3 mil views only..
kek
1st time a one piece song bombed so bad.

>>55638767
Pride of HoloEN

>>55639194
why are you retarded?

>>55638907
>it's easier to have more subs when you have more talents.
Advent only consists of 5 people(streaming on 4 channels) and in less than two weeks they've accumulated more subs than all 8 members of Tempus combined

>>55639160
Nope, Ame confirmed recently that she gets no money from things like her nendroid or pop up parade figure, so it’s entirely possible she doesn’t get a cut on things she had no involvement in

>>55638056
POPULAR DEMAND
WISH GRANTED ETC

>>55638056
>Advent mogged Tempussy 1 year of existance in just 3 days

>>55639194
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Sb4wxbHh-4&pp=ygUWQ2FsbGlvcGUgZnV0dXJlIGlzbGFuZA%3D%3D
Add that to these views dumbass

>>55638056
Just....disband them already jesus
then transfer bettel, shinri and other non-drama star to JP

>>55638056
You idiots have no idea what "year-on-year" mean, huh?

>>55639238
popular demand

>>55637977
>metaverse
Wow I thought holoearth is just a minecraft-like game for them to stream
So we can interact with our oshi and attending their concert in game?

POPULAR DEMAND
haha

>entire thread will be about Tempus
mindshare stonks

>>55639322
Yes, they did some concerts already.

>>55639265
She said she didn't know if they got a cut or not, actually
Of course when you translate this to catalogese it becomes "when the nendoroid releases they personally mug Ame and steal her wallet to pay the production costs"

>>55638350
It's a niche for sure but why would you cut them when their numbers are green?

>>55638767
Can't wait until they're on a formula 1 car. Fuck maybe even NASCAR.

>>55639221
>>55639286
knew cuckbeats were here
all one piece opening upbeat and nice
2 mins short not even the full song lets add those views~

>>55638907
>8 channels VS 4 channels
>Still lose almost instantly
KEK

>>55639322
They've already done 3 live concerts in HoloEarth you absolute newfag

>>55639387
So true sis! #cut4hex

>>55639265
really? As the report do say in-house and external EC sales. And the Nendroid is produced and soled by a external party using a Hololive IP. I don't follow ame and quick googling didn't help me. If you have a clip please do share with the class

>>55639302
That absolutely does not detract from the fact that tempiss have been horribly underperforming. If they're truly as popular and highly demanded as astroturfers, tourists and sisters claim, the first year alone would have seen explosive growth. But sure, keep huffing that copium and throw random ad hominem, hoping they would stick. It won't help the faggots one bit.

>>55639194
>>55639387
Zabu zabu and bau bau to you ma’am

Streaming/Content has plateaued. That's why certain groups of fans aren't to be taken seriously. You can't rely on new hires that only try to squeeze out another percentage point of growth.

>>55639004
look at hololive jp, the talents that have the most subs joined later (pekora, marine, miko, subaru, ...) . you can not judge on one generation.

>>55639375
>why would you cut them
Because they're an absolutely terrible return on investment. Tempus should be terminated and Cover should invest more in the girls because they're an amazingly superior return on investment.

>>55639564
You realize that 1. Miko is gen 0. And 2. Neither her nor 3rd gen had the advantages that were handed to the tempus boys on a silver platter. These girls practically hustled extremely hard just to get their footing. Please don't downplay their efforts by comparing them to tempus, and enough with the copium already.

>>55638056
Women are brought up to only take money from men, never to give. It was a failed concept from the start.

>>55639724
A positive return is a positive return.
They won't have any more investments for girls if they cut them.

>CtW got 25000 viewers online in addition to 5000 viewers on site
>with 6500 yen a ticket, 8% SPWN cut, approx 150M yen in online tickets only
>for live tickets we don't know the Ticketmaster cut, but since the initial price was minimum 80$, we can assume minimum 50M yen in venue tickets
>cost of organizing the event was unknown, but it's definitely less than 220M yen (total expenses for all events, so CtW and Twinkle 4 You, and maybe even the HoloEarth concert)
rejoice EN bros, the concert was profitable, good chances of more to come

>>55638392
>>the opportunity cost is far in the negatives since they could have debuted quality girls instead
This would be relevant if they could go back in time and debut a HoloEN gen in 2022 instead. But that opportunity cost is paid, whether you fire the homos or not.

>>55639512
>Streaming/Content has plateaued
>Advent takes off like a rocket and does monster CCVs
>plateaued
Keep telling yourself that kek

You niggas are financially illiterate

>>55639856
yeah, more than half of the thread is making shit up

>>55638350
What does --%YoY mean I am retarded. Zero growth? Shrinkage?

>>55639512
>Miko:a struggling 2view. Cover was also struggling.
>Subaru: Hololive was still a small player, and she was also struggling
>Pekora and Marine: Hololive already managed to gain stable footing. Still had to work their asses off to become the "golden gen".
>tempus: a shit ton of fanfare, truckloads of marketing, extreme astroturfing that even the CEO joined in, latched on to an already extremely strong brand, had every form of support available a vtuber needs.

One of these is not like the others.

>>55639767
>A positive return is a positive return.
And a better positive return is a better positive return. It makes no sense to invest time and money in Tempus when the same time and money invested in Holo EN would yield far, far, far better profits.
>They won't have any more investments for girls if they cut them
What kind of delusional copium is this? Cover spends resources on Tempus and gassing them all would free up said resources to be spent on Holo EN.

>>55639926
They didn't exist in the previous financial year so there's no data

>>55637977
You got to figure at some point investors are going to ask why they keep Holostars around when they hardly do anything for the brand.
Not to mention the obvious omission of growing StarsEN in the 'Accelerate Overseas Expansion'.

>>55639974
They get more out of it than they put in. So no, removing them will not give holo more money to spend on the girls.

>>55639925
>>55639856
Go ahead and prove everyone else wrong. I myself wouldn't mind being corrected. Put your money where your mouth is, rather than spouting vague insults and then fucking off.

>>55638500
Yeah, that was a huge takeaway from this.
Shows ID market has room for growth. Expecting ID4 by 5thFes.

>>55639989
Thanks anon

>>55640056
>Shows ID market has room for growth
why did niji pulled out? there was an explanation at all?

>>55640101
Because they hired a cosplay circle that just circlejerked with themselves and felt like everyone was against them for being a circlejerk. And the one that got popular wasted her popularity because she was a tranny faggot

>>55639771
wait, is CtW even included in this revenue and expenses report?
it was on July 2nd, so it's technically Q2 of the Japanese fiscal year

>>55640101
because they got different numbers from holo?

>>55639933
I think I just would rather watch a cute gunny girl that a dude.
I'd watch a dude who does more unique content, but only Vesper was dipping his toes in that sort of stuff at all.
I want someone who plays RTS, grand strategy, stuff like Cataclysm BN, etc. at a decent level of competence.
If you do the same content as the girls why would I ever watch Axel instead of Fauna?

>>55640015
>So no, removing them will not give holo more money to spend on the girls.
Holy kek you retard. The time and money that Cover is wasting on Tempus can be redirected to Holo EN. This would generate more money for Cover because Holo EN has much better return on investment.

>>55639824
>>Advent takes off like a rocket and does monster CCVs
Debut buff
Fucking Vesper was a 5 view for a couple of weeks man
Wait until shit is normalized. they're already stagnating in subs, even

>>55637977
heh.

>>55637977
Where was this published

>>55639771
Considering Advent is expanding the growth of EN they could easily do a 10k seat concert

>>55640229
They're not going to axe a positive investment, feel free to seethe at them for a long time though.

>entire thread is faggots wanting to fire guys for being guys
Pathetic.
>b-b-but other people earn more!
>surely every business only keeps its biggest earners! The voices in my head said so!
Meds. All of you. Now.

>>55640263
All me

>>55639744
>Miko is gen 0.
she joined after gen 1 iirc. this is why she called mel "senpai" during their collab.

>>55640229
please explain how adding more staff and managers to HoloEN will make the girls stream more

>>55640190
This is honestly a great take. And likely why I was drawn to watching Vesper over any of the other Tempus members.
Too bad he somehow became more menhara than Festival and destroyed his own channel with his schizo tendencies followed by that shit 2.0 model.
I stopped watching his shit after he did that burger stream in Japan. Knew there was no coming back after that.

>>55639974
>And a better positive return is a better positive return.
Anon, by your logic Hololive should abandoned ID market and focus on JP because it has better positive return
Do you see where we are going with this logic?

>>55640359
Miko debuted one week before Aqua.

>>55639265
You fucking nijifaggot liar.

Why do people want tempus fired, even if they bring in "less money"? I haven't seen that argument made for any girl who had shit numbers. If I disliked drinking Fanta, I would just not drink it instead of asking for the Coca Cola Company to stop selling it.
I seriously don't get why people spend so much time on something they dislike. I haven't seen any homocontent since they debuted outside of this accursed board.
It's you retarded niggerfaggots always bringing them up and posting their shit content.

>>55640401
you're talking to a retard who thinks that ROI is an infinite slope

>>55640352
>>entire thread is anon wanting to fire guys for being gays
ftfy, sis.

>>55640450
you see, if Pepsico stopped producing Fanta, they'd have more resources to spend on marketing Coca Cola! I'm a genius businessman.

>>55638366
Compared to even HoloID, they absolutely were dying. Next quarter should look even better with Advent pumping in some life back into the group

>>55640241
Anon he was a 5 view for like one stream. He went from being around 5000 viewers in the first week or two to 3-4k in the first month to 1-3k now.

>>55640241
Whether Advent will eventually plateau is irrelevant. What's relevant is that they mogged tempus by several magnitudes in mere weeks, while the latter had a whole year to generate goodwill and build their fanbase. Furthermore, tempus is a pet project that had MASSIVE marketing prior to their debut. All things considered, there's absolutely no excuse for the boys to be doing this poorly.

>>55640450
If they'd have no interraction with HoloEN, I wounldn't mind. But since they keep spilling their Fanta in my Cola, it'd be better to just get rid of 'em.

>>55640344
>They're not going to axe a positive investment,
They will absolutely axe a positive investment if there's a much better positive investment to be had. And if they don't want to, the shareholders will demand it.

The situation is basically:
>Put $1 in to Tempus and get $1.01 back.
>Put $1 in to Holo EN and get $200 back.
So there's no reason to continue to fund Tempus. The funding would be better spent on Holo EN and Tempus should be axed because even though it technically makes money it's an awful, awful investment.

Another day , another /vt/ fail to learn to read the graph.

>>55637977
>Japanese company
>Japanese shareholders
>supersecret 'leaked' documents are in vernacular English
>'sources' don't contain any actual website links or other verification methods
Fucking Christ, the majority here are gullible retards who'd be blowing up their discord servers ranting about Bigfoot's Martian supersoldier program if """"leaked"""" documents mentioned it. This is unironically the picture of that thought experiment you did in your high school creative writing class about contrarianism being a sheeple with edge... GSH.

>>55640101
Niji ID merged into the main branch along with KR, there are something like a dozen indonesian livers active in niji. Youre thinking of niji IN, which is india.

>>55640263
So you’re telling me.. they “cover” for their talents?!

>>55640670
>supersecret 'leaked' documents
Anon it's an IR document that they're legally required to produce and make public

>>55640352
>still refuses to acknowledge that its precious skirt-chasing male chubas are failing horribly
>had to resort to random insults without proper context

I'm glad you made a fool out of yourself without any of us lifting a finger.

>>55640670
what's this about bifgoot?

>>55640450
its the nijis they want to fire them to make their graduation statistics look less bad and to call cover a black company that fires low performers

>>55640619
Just curious: when was the last EN/StarsEN collab?

>>55638056
I hate tempiss too but you guys really need to learn what YoY means...

>>55640652
I'm sure that's how it works and they will axe the male branches soon to appeal to an anon sperging on 4chan.

>>55640401
>Anon, by your logic Hololive should abandoned ID market and focus on JP because it has better positive return
Tempus has bottom of the barrel return on investment and it's utterly mogged to death by ID. It isn't successful enough to justify its own existence whereas ID is.

>>55640229
The sisters who fork out to Bettel weren't gonna spend it on uwu shork's lovebombs instead if the branch didn't exist. It's not to the same degree, but it's a market untapped by the girls. It's pocket change that they have zero reason to pass up.

>>55640652
Mhm, preach it! Two more weeks!

>>55640401
NTA, but there's a difference between being last in the class because everyone else are geniuses, and being last in the class because you're a moron who keeps fucking up. ID's numbers are objectively good ; tempus' are not. Simple as.

>>55640450
>Why do people want tempus fired,
They committed the sin of intergender collabs and for this reason alone they all must die. Also their branch is genuinely performing like shit and literally there's no reason to keep them around.

>>55640749
Yes, it's Year-on-Year. They actually had to nerf the Tempiss numbers because Tempiss started from 0, so the growth is infinite.

>>55639824
>>55639933
Some of you will just never understand basic things.

>>55640573
>Vesper
He's a 0view now kek

>>55640736
Been a while thankfully. Now they just need to ban the fucking collab begging faggots from the Hololive chats and YT comments and things are getting in the right direction.

Tempus is good, because it takes away from the competition. Plus that market may become more open in the future. Cover is not Niji that they would abandon for quick profits. Long term growth is still there.

>>55640652
>putting all eggs in one basket
>not hedging your investment

>>55640352
I took my meds, now not only i want them to be fired, but i also want them to be unpersoned, thank you i was delusional and you helped me out, it's true that med help with rationalising thing.

>>55640599
So you're saying they should fire holos, not hire more.

>>55640679
>a dozen
most of the graduated so it's actually less than that with more graduations on the way. Only KR managed to seamlessly blend into the main branch.

>>55640670
That link does look sketchy, but if you took a quick look at cover's website you'd see that it's legit: https://cover-corp.com/en/ir

>>55640450
For some reason their tangential existence sours their enjoyment of the girls, as if the girls aren't grown adults who make their own decisions, and as if it doesn't say plenty about how fickle their attachment to their supposed oshis are to begin with.

>>55640450
They, along with their fans, are a net negative on the community's morale. Tons of drama and a lot of infighting. People are simply seizing the opportunity to shit on them because the numbers are cold, hard facts. Basically, pairing up the subjective with something objective.

>>55640937
>that market
What market?

>Eurokeks not given a single fuck throughout the document

>>55638056
>homoparasites are parasites
Who would've thought?

>>55640619
you literally don't have to watch anything with males in it. They quite literally tell you "this coke has fanta in it". All you have to do is not drink, but you still do and then seethe all over the catalog.
I guess if not for people like you, tempus wouldn't have any engagement and the boys would have graduated on their own. Instead we have people harassing the girls about male collabs (beggars as well as unicorns) and niggers like you who absolutely have to shit all over the catalog with their seething delusions.

>>55640974
EU DONT SUPERCHAT
LOW CCV
LOOK AT KIARA CCV AND SUPERCHAT

>>55640974
>Never get catered to
>Hire no streamers to stream in their timezone
Jee maybe if they just jumped into that wide open hole they might care more

>>55640962
Funny, same could be said about Homobeggars who claim that Hologirls who don't want to suck dick on stream are held hostages and can't collab even though they REALLY want to.

>>55640974
Why would they care about a region who cant be bothered to do anything but bitch about no streams.
As if VODs dont exist.

>>55640966
The "sisters" that actually watch male Vtubers like Bettel and the NIJI EN males. Those sisters won't go and send their money to Fauna, Gura or any of the girls.

>>55640855
>literally there's no reason to keep them around.
Except money
>b-but they make almost nothing compared to-
Money is money, only an idiot throws away a source of revenue for no reason, regardless of its size

>>55641015
You sound upset. Take a chill pill and go watch some Homo VODs. They could use all the views they can get.

>>55640964
>net negative on the community's morale. Tons of drama and a lot of infighting
That's on the vocal minority of people who engage in that. Such mentally unstable individuals were ticking timebombs waiting to go off no matter what.

>>55640652
>Tempus should be axed because even though it technically makes money it's an awful, awful investment.
you truly are wsb tier retard

>>55637977
See >>55640083
Unironically why does /vt/ have containment threads if no actual effort is made to keep the autists contained there?

>>55641071
Well, hopefully Homos will embrace that market fully and soon.

>>55641094
Concession accepted.

>>55640974
one of them is literally in recession right now, not worth the hassle

>>55640884
Yet you are unable to explain what these supposedly "basic things" are. Empty platitudes just for the sake of shitposting. Simply unbecoming, anon.

>>55641135
>Concession
kek Go back.

>>55640775
>I'm sure that's how it works and they will axe the male branches soon to appeal to an anon sperging on 4chan.
They'll inevitably axe Tempus because the bottom line is they're a publicly traded company now and the shareholders won't approve of Cover pouring resources into an awful RoI when the same resources could be poured into a better RoI instead.

>>55640790
>The sisters who fork out to Bettel weren't gonna spend it on uwu shork's lovebombs instead
If Cover takes the money they're wasting on Bettel and spends it on Gura shit they'll make more money back than whatever they were making from the sisters.

>>55640670
>thinking the document is fake
Holy fucking shit you're stupid. Log off the internet an reevaluate your life.

>>55640937
I heard about long term profit from holostars years ago. They still get mogged by any hololive gen during their first week. Still waiting. Also competition is sabotaging itself, unless they adopt a no male Vtuber policy.
>>55641015
Tempiss : casually putting fanta in your coca while you aren't looking. Yep that why they should be all terminated. Almost all of them have been clear that they will be in your coca at random time whenever or not you want it, and if it's not them their shitty community will do it anyway. that why a lot of people just are asking for a strict disband and appology for the shitshow.

>>55640966
People were saying 'what market' for the US too. Future market. It will open up more with NijiEN's decline. Just have to redo the whole strategy. Separate the boys from the girls for a long while, etc. Don't deny that there are women who watch vtubers... and even larger untapped. Niji half-assing it by bringing India to EN looked abysmal and just as wrong to judge by that.

>>55641057
>As if VODs dont exist
What kinda psycho would ever donate to a streamers vod or buy merch from someone who's basically telling you to go fuck yourself?

>>55641125
but isn't /vt/ the containment for autism?

>>55640940
>putting all eggs in one basket
>Holo JP, Holo EN, Holo ID
>one basket

>>55641164
>the bottom line is they're a publicly traded company now
Anon, you don't know the actual paritculars of their business and this venture, do you?

>>55641163
Not an argument.

>>55641125
Containment boards don't work unless they have a GR associated with it, threads are the exact same.

>>55640599
>>55640241
>>55639824
All barely relevant. You want customers and you want them to spend more. If you don't increase customers or the amount they spend then you shouldn't increase your operating costs unless you reasonable expect NEW customers. Advent popping off doesn't matter if they're all Gura, Mori, Ame, Ina, Kiara fans. Are you going to support 5 Guras or 1 Gura?

The dimwit assumption is that obviously new gens brings in unique and new unicorns and ojisans. That's why they are expanding into focusing growth on other things, because the streamer simp/whale market is more or less finite, and they don't trust the dimwit assumption.

>>55641164
>They'll inevitably axe Tempus
When will they do that then? Give me a timeframe.

>>55641091
>Except money
Money is the reason to terminate Tempus.

>>55637977
Please never stop making these threads. The SEA School of Economics is fucking hilarious.

>>55641164
>If Cover takes the money they're wasting on Bettel and spends it on Gura shit they'll make more money back than whatever they were making from the sisters.
Prove it.

>>55641094
I don't like or watch the homos, in fact I haven't seen any of their content that wasn't posted on this website in some lazy bait thread. How about you stop watching homovods in some insane pursuit of finding a yab that will finally end them? Surely it will make you realize that you don't actually like vtubers, you just hate being romantically lonely and male vtubers threaten you because you feel reminded of the fact that it's all make believe and you can't truly find love with a virtual girl.

>>55641143
How is it even possible you can't understand when it's spelled out in the presentation?

>>55641269
In the alternate schizo reality were they actually cost them money, sure

>>55641235
>Anon, you don't know the actual paritculars of their business and this venture, do you?
Cover just released a document detailing some important particulars of their business and this venture, Retardchama. And based on that document it's clear that Tempus is dead weight that needs to be cut.

>>55641028
Maybe they just need a better streamer to watch

>>55641168
So far I haven't seen any surprise males in any streams I had watched. Any proof? For anything you just posted I mean, because outside of the catalog I don't see anyone talking about tempus at all.

>>55641164
They aren't gonna axe tempus since that's just horrible PR, but it looks like they're walling them off and reducing investment to be more proportional to their shitter status

>>55641352
So you don't, then? I'm basing this on the fact that you seemingly believe that they're a company that is completely on the market and freely traded.
Which is enormously incorrect.

>>55641303
Damn. Beggars are going full schizo today. Makes me afraid of the day when Vesper and Magni are terminated.

>>55641267
>When will they do that then? Give me a timeframe.
Probably not long after the next shareholder meeting. Sooner if Cover says fuck it and decides to clean house unprompted.

>>55641256
>Advent popping off doesn't matter if they're all Gura, Mori, Ame, Ina, Kiara fans
They clearly aren't. Overlaps prove this.

How is Holo Earth and Holo Alt doing?

>>55640962
Oversimplification to the point of lying. Well done, sister.

>>55641091
It's less of they cost money and more of they destroyed HoloEN's profits by wasting last year's release slots being a subhuman shitter branch instead of y'know, being EN3. Which right now is making way more bank than Tempiss ever did.

>>55641283
>Prove it.
Okay: >>55638350

>>55641164
>and spends it on Gura shit they'll make more money back than whatever they were making from the sisters
Absolutely retarded, no they won't. There are heavy diminishing returns involved.

>>55641412
Did I hit the nail on the head there? As pathetic as your behaviour is, tempus can only hurt you if you continue to consume their content. Just "do no watch them" is all the advice I can give. I hope you feel better soon.

>>55641465
So you're saying by the same logic all the new threads and replies for Advent are also made by new anons? Do you honestly believe this?

>>55641421
How will you seethe and cope when they don't axe them, I wonder?

>>55640450
There's something funny about supposed ""holofans"" wanting Cover to do a Niji and graduate talents for not funding their shareholders well enough.

>>55641028
>>55641057
They superchatted more than burgers in the last fuwamoco morning stream. You're doing the equivalent of estimating the value of the NA market based solely on Ame
Unfortunately Cover is retarded enough to also do that, so they ignored the region until everyone interested in vtubers went away

>>55641512
>Did I hit the nail on the head there?
I think you hit your thumb. I have opened Tempus stream exactly once. I spent 15 minutes watching Vesper play FTL and then I got fed up with that lisping faggot.

>>55637977
> “Sakura Miko” is affiliated with hololive, “Mori Calliope” and
“Gawr Gura” affiliated with hololive English, were appointed.
HAHAHAHAHAHA NO MENTION OF THE HOMO. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>55641323
>In the alternate schizo reality were they actually cost them money, sure
Tempus does cost Cover money by being a shitty return on investment. When they invest money in those faggots instead of the girls they lose out on profits because the RoI is hopelessly inferior.

>>55637977
>vtubing is dying.
Revenue +42.8%
Gross +73.9%
Net +129.5%

Revenue per vtuber, over $2 million each. I assume that's to the company after the expenses paid to each talent.

>>55641401
>They aren't gonna axe tempus since that's just horrible PR
They aren't gonna axe Rushia since that's just terrible PR... Oh wait. I don't think they care as much about PR as you think. Also the audience for Tempus is so small that the "bad PR" for axing them would be basically fucking nothing.

>>55641627
>revenue
>after expenses paid
People on this board are so retarded I question how they remotly function as human beings.

>>55641627
No dumbass that not how revenue works they even did a full break down of what the talents are getting paid.

>>55638056
EN3 is such a step into a good direction, hopefully they don't get involved with them.

>>55641498
Even if we assume impeded EN3s debut, that's still only relevant if you could go back in time and undo it. Which you can't, making it a moot point. As of this moment in time, they are still a positive source of income, which is what companies want.

>>55641623
What you fail to understand is that they bring in new customers from the fujo fanbase. Same reason fast food places are making vegetarian options, not because they're what most people want, but most people are already buying.

>>55639382
>Fuck maybe even NASCAR.
The best chance at that is gone though lmao.

>>55641704
Anon, people on this board make stock threads and then ask what a PE-ratio is. They think Cover has control over the Japanese Central Bank. Just consider this entire thread a shitpost.

How much money will Shiori make?

>>55640619
>But since they keep spilling their Fanta in my Cola
but this is a good thing

>>55641702
Rushia violated NDA
Tempus haven't, unless that rrat about vesper/magni is true
It's the difference between being fired for cause and being laid off for financial reasons

>>55641509
>There are heavy diminishing returns involved
Kek. No there aren't. Gura is a fucking money monster. If you help her fund a project or produce some Gura merch you're going to get a crazy return on investment. Fund Bettel projects or produce Bettel merch and your return on investment will be peanuts by comparison.

>>55641793
In her lifetime, probably a few million, so not much.

>>55639382
>NASCAR
Their general audience would be mad that there's woke communist Chinese cartoons on a car

>>55641801
Fucking Germans man, the second nuke shoud've gone there.

>>55641793
She is going to be the lowest earner in her gen

>>55639322
https://youtu.be/S1Ya6QYHY0s
You actually missed this? Watch it

>>55641586
>How will you seethe and cope when they don't axe them, I wonder?
Tempus will be axed so I don't even have to think about an imaginary scenario where they aren't kek. I don't know if the whole branch will be terminated in one fell swoop or if they'll be allowed to graduate one at a time but it's happening. A publicly traded company can't keep putting money into a pity project even if they want to. Cover has a responsibility to shareholders now and that supersedes Yagoo's strange obsession with unpopular male vtubing branches.

>>55640670
You can't actually be this retarded
This isn't even the first report they have published since the ipo

This is why Hololive won't hire Nijisanji talents or big streamers just because they're streamers. Their plans are to expand far beyond streaming and even to create or popularize new kinds of entertainment, and to reach new target demographics.

>>55641609
So you watched 15 minutes more homoshit than I did, huh? Get your homoloving ass out of my board, faggot.

(ToT) bros are we really gonna lose to (YoY)???

>>55641937
>already seethes and copes just by imagining the hypothetical
Ok, that's actually funny.

>>55638056
They haven't existed for more than a year yet, so i dont think there can be YoY growth yet.

Yagoo is a fucking mad man

>>55641937
ok titor, now go and bring back the IBM with you

>>55641704
>>55641724
I stand corrected. I'm a dumbass. Read wrong definition. Why I said assume. Unclear the difference between Revenue and Gross.
So 990 mm divided by 75 equals 12.1 mm ($84,470) yearly.
That's much less than expected.

>>55641793
If she stays for like 3-4 years then she can probably reach in the millions

>>55642102
*910mm

>>55642018
>YoY
seems to be genuinely sad

>>55638331
thought he was a dude

>numberfag thread
>just a soapbox platform for retards angry at males
you love to see it. not a single genuine argument that isn’t clearly emotional. How many of you have highlights in your hair?

>>55640101
because nijisanji just fucking sucks at making foreign branches

>>55642165
Seethe sis. Your homoshits are an utter fucking failure.

>>55642165
Well all homos bar 5 throughout the entire branch are 3 views so you have to be retarded to think they are of any value to the company

>>55642018
(𒅄o𒅄)

>>55638056
this shit was made in a hurry without any concrete marketing plans just because niji ens homos were so successful in the western industry back then and omegatranny tried to ride on the hype train but the trend was quickly gone and now its just nothing but a bad debt

>>55642252
wtf this just deleted my system32

>>55640359
Miko iirc was after Mel and before Fubuki. I think Mel was just shoehorned into gen 1 because Chris.

>>55638056

>>55640263
>cover finds rrats festering on /vt/
>sends a cease and desist order to hiromoot, with threat of suing for damages
>/vt/ is removed, /jp/ makes vtuber posting a permabannable offense, and deletes threads on sight
>we're finally free to touché grass
please... cover-sama...

>>55641704
>>55641724
I stand corrected. I'm a dumbass. Read wrong definition. Why I said assume. Unclear the difference between Revenue and Gross.
So 910 mm divided by 75 equals 12.1 mm ($84,470) quarterly.
That's much less than expected.

>>55642257
Given how weak JP homos are and how long it took to get EN homos (comparatively), I do not believe that they were done on a whim nor that they had any huge aspirations for mega popularity

>>55642025
>>55642056
You homobeggars are mad because I laid out a flawless financial argument for terminating Tempus and you can't stop seething about it kek

>>55638056
parasites

>>55642408
>flawless
>financial
come back when you don't use forbidden knowledge from the future, titor

>>55641379
>never watched a totsumachi
disgusting casual homobeggars
although the analogy should be that if they produce more fanta, they produce less pepsi as they shift resources (stream time) that would have been used for pure pepsi, towards gaypepsi (pepsi with some fanta mixed in).

>>55642165
>homos have terrible numbers
>numberfags shit on homos
You're retarded. This is exactly what numberfagging is all about.

>>55642408
two more shareholder meetings, surely!

>>55637977
Homobeggers on suicide watch

kek sisters seething

>>55638056
TOTAL HOMONIGGERS DEATH
TERMINATE THE BRANCH

>>55640450
They have shared management and they focus on their golden child tempus for a whole year for nothing while canned a lot of projects and mismanaged the girls. Just today, gura talk how her project and cover got cancelled during process after she got the green light, this is all during omega and his beloved tempus year, not to mention the daki, ina cover, fauna hasty rush on holoween project. And people wonder why noone in holoen like omega.

>>55642339
so revenue is how much the company brought in total before taxes payments etc. Gross is after taxes and outside payments so things part of cost of sales. covers cost of sales is around 54% of its total revenue.

>>55642471
Tempus = shitty return on investment
Holo EN = excellent return on investment

Therefore shitcan Tempus and use the money you saved from shitcanning them to invest more in Holo EN. My argument is perfect and impossible to refute because it's based on simple objective math that even a child could understand.

>>55642544
>two more shareholder meetings, surely!
>two
Likely just one.

>>55640974
>eurokek here
I just watch JP like a normal person, who cares about ENs in euro timezones.

>>55642751
BAU BAU

>>55638928(me)
I know you're /here/ bvtm
https://twitter.com/bannedvtmemes/status/1689212676608585728

>>55642728
Ah yeah you will repeat that every shareholder meeting now, nice.

>>55641405
Nta, but they do listen to the investor as in the publicly trade one eventhough they have less than 10%, the transparency for holostar activity was brought up from that last investor meeting.

>>55641305
Still not answering the question. But I'm sure your little psyop in trying to appear intelligent will pay off, one day.

>>55640670
Least retarded and financially illiterate Pemaloe

>>55642908
They're expanding in a way that aligns with what I said, their presentation emphasizes this. It's not my fault you have a sub 90 IQ, and I can't help you with that no matter how much I try.

>>55638767
it’s weird seeing Mori this big but I’m happy for her

Things I've learned in this thread: Just accuse other people of stupidity, instead of laying down a convincing argument backed up by facts to counter what they say. Mix it up with "muh SEA" and you will have the ultimate recipe for winning arguments /here/. The false sense of superiority in this thread is staggering.

Either way, >>55638056 is still hella funny. Popular demand, indeed.

>>55642865
Sadly the intellect of homobeggars is below that of a child

>>55641801
>sold in 5 countries
It suck ass.

>>55642728
Yes, this is certainly childish reasoning. It operates in a crayon-colored world where simple concepts such as diminishing returns and market share do not exist. Let me guess, you have really strong feelings about why Gura shouldn't stream at the same time as Advent.

>>55642666
Do you have any proof for that statement?

>>55642544
Nta, but they have been told to increased subscriber or there won't be anymore custom merch except for the 1st year from tempus, they might get the same thing too after that. Source from oga.

>>55643181
of course.
it's from his dream, anon

>>55643115
>crayon-colored world
>this level of projection coming from a monkey who can't understand the concept of RoI
I'm sorry you have a sub-child IQ, my man. I really am.
>Let me guess, you have really strong feelings about why Gura shouldn't stream at the same time as Advent.
Don't care.

>>55642751
same. taking my lunch break and enjoying some Nene pikmin. working from home rules

>>55643204
Each branch should get what they can pull after the initial investment.
I don't even care about the homos it's just kind of funny that some people just seethe so uncontrollably about content that they don't even need to watch.

>>55639989
so the dramatrannies are trying to spin this into them not making money for cover? fucking /vt/ trannies act just like the ones on Xwitter.

>>55643052
Look who's talking lol.

>>55640974
>EU begs for streams
>FWMC stream for them at a good time on the weekend
>lowest FWMC CCV is during those streams
They beg but don't watch streams. They're just like homo beggars.

I don't care if the homos don't even make them even a fucking penny because they are worth it to see the 12 year old bitching that goes on around them.

>>55643386
>Tempus tries to corrupt EN and turn it into a Nijsanji EN style cesspool of garbage
>wow why don't you just not watch Tempus?
>turn a blind eye to the corruption
>ignore it and let it continue unabated
>it'll be fine
God bless gatekeeping for driving back the Homos

>>55643181
https://youtu.be/ZwEIXps2XwE

>>55643556
just watch unicorn friendly chuubas, simple as.

>>55638928
>>55639026
Jesus this thread really shows how retarded the userbase in /vt/ is. Can't even read, let alone threadreading.

To think a good amount of it are also numberfags. How the fuck do you even hang around /#/ when they can't even count?

>>55643647
>just watch unicorn friendly chuubas
Oh I do. While crusading for total Homo death.

>>55643660
numberfags can only understand ccv and subs

>>55643686
good luck on your crusade, try not to pop a blood vessel when it doesn't go as you hope for.

>>55639265
Proof next thread?

>>55640359
Miko doesn't call Mel her senpai during their collab though. She called her Meru/Meru-Meru. There's no seniority between gen 0-1-2. Also even though Miko debuted after gen 1, she's been in the company (still waiting for her debut) when gen 1 was still auditioning.

>>55643529
come on now. for us communism could be just around the corner, there's no point to donate. we need to be prepared to take care of our families.

I'll keep begging for free entertainment. It's working.

>>55641599
https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/archive/superchat/Nph4ogfhuBE.html

>>55643660
>be me
>screenshot and highlights "Rev. share w/VTubers" under merchandising
>haha let's kek about nijis only getting 2%
>retards somehow think they get 40.7% from all merch sales and start catalog baiting about it
>ceiling_rope.exe

>>55643556
Fighting your own imagination must be really hard anon.

>>55643731
>good luck on your crusade
Thanks. But with intergender collabs pretty much ended, Vesper and Magni lost in the void, and Tempus getting exposed as utter dead weight after getting btfo by Advent it's going so well I don't really need luck kek

>>55643598
How does that proves that it's because of tempus anon?

>>55643529
Anon, I hate to break it to you, but they have an average of 23K viewers in euro hours to 20K in NA hours over their last 6 streams in each
And those NA streams included monetization and their first karaoke, whereas the euro ones included them being shit at Donkey Kong and the cunny witch game

>>55643858
Yes, that's the one. If you can do math and are aware of how currencies work you will notice that europe sent 68,349JPY to NA's 61,669.

>>55643660
>/numbers/ thread
>Talking about numbers
If only. It's just /gossip/ now

>>55643926
Can't wait for when there's another intergender collab and catalog anons start making threads about how Jap betrayed them.

>>55643915
Yeah, I'm sure it would be. Good thing us unicorns are winning at reality.

>>55644024
>Can't wait for when there's another intergender collab
Two more weeks

>>55640450
Because for entire year all focus was on them while girls were getting shit. To the point half of them lost the motivation to stream.

>>55641256
Is this why Gura keeps getting 20k while overlapping 10-20k Advent streams ???

>>55640450
because they waste time and resources you retarded monkey.
Aqua couldnt hold her birthday live because the studio was fully booked.
If homos were fired this problem wouldnt exist.

>>55641627
Only retards claim that vtubing is dying. Look at all the 4-5k indies.

>>55642728
>Tempus = shitty return on investment
>Holo EN = excellent return on investment
yet both branches are returning green numbers...

>>55643686
>While crusading for total Homo death.
kek crusading by posting on vt

>>55644500
>20k
she's a high 4 view territory now. you would know if you actually watch streams.

>numbermonkies demanding tempiss be cut when they bring in 1.5M of revenue, which is a magnitude of 100x more money than they'll ever see in their entire mud hut dwelling lives

>>55643757
>>54823225
some reactions from her stream about it.

>>55644887
That's not what she said, though, I was literally watching that stream. She said she didn't know if they got paid from them or not. That got turned into "she doesn't" as it passed through the ESL schizo filter of /vt/ posters' brains

>>55644880
isn't that 1.5M of total subs

>>55644880
>homobeggars seething and crying because there's literally no reason not to cut Tempus when JP, EN, and ID are better investments
>invent bizarre copium-laced rationalizations for why the worst performing branch shouldn't be terminated
>they'll be terminated anyway
Kek

>>55645148
unicorns are getting deluded as usual Holostars are happy to use your money for condom

>>55637977
>Accelerate
So how much does the average holo make so I can mald about it?

>>55645362
paradoxically, many, most of them, will never have to work again. but for some reason, they keep working, and keep paying out of their pocket to do like lives and stuff. one would assume so they can make even more money totally dunking on us poor saps who will never make what they already had in our lifetime, but they could have, like, just taken that money and retired already.

>>55640450
>I haven't seen that argument made for any girl who had shit numbers
Everyone wanted Sana to graduate except for niggerlites.

>>55644323
so fire them because someone else fucked up?
>>55644551
They waste nobody's time except for the time of people who engage with their content despite hating that same content and the creators. According to the document being discussed in this very thread, they're a net positive and thus don't actually waste resources.
Aqua should've booked on time. Again, blaming homos for someone else's mistake.

Looks to me like people are scapegoating the homos because they want to blame them for stuff that went wrong in their minds. Aqua being late to book the studio is her fault. EN management being trash isn't the fault of homos. If you didn't watch the homos, you could be happily watching your oshi.

but you enjoy getting angry, don't you?

>>55645362
They paid out about 40 million dollars to talents last financial year while having 67-75 talents. If you make the (extremely silly) assumption that holostars make the same as hololive, that comes out to about $530K/year on average.

>>55645362
>910MM JPY divided by 75 Holos
>12.13MM JPY, or ~85k USD per Holo, per quarter
I'm not sure if this is just their base salary or if it includes money from SCs, memberships, sponsorships, etc. with that money just flowing through Cover first (maybe someone with knowledge in Japanese accounting laws can help kek) but either way, they're making bank

>>55645634
You can't base the whole year on Q1, it's usually their weakest period because everyone already pissed away all of their money on holofes and xmas/new year.

So which ones are the ones that got death threats?

>>55637977
It's all priced in, holobronies. Big dump coming tommorrow

>>55644880
This is your avergae homobeggar by the way.
IQ in negative everyone.

>>55640670
Holy fuck numberniggers are seriously retarded kek

>>55640359
Gen 0 means “not part of an existing JP gen”, which is why Suisei and Azki are also part of it.

>>55639375
>why would you cut them when their numbers are green?
>their numbers are green
Hmm???

>>55645552
Retarded homobeggar, what do you mean Aqua should have booked on time? It's management who arranges studio time. There was no better time to book it than her birthday live. Management fucked up big time by giving studio to a bunch of shiters who make no money instead of their golden goose on her birthday. There is no excuse for such behaviour. Fucking leeches.

>>55640670
why are you retarded?

>>55645786
Likely Laplus is one of them since she barely streamed last year due to her hiatus. You could probably throw in Shion and Aqua too onto this list.

>>55642027
This is actually correct. You'd see an actual number percentage(ex: -1.4%, 0.0%, +1.6%) if they did have an YoY rate.

>>55637977
They were so tiny and irrelevant before EN's debut. But what I don't understand is why it took EN's debut for the JP side to explode?
And why does Holostar even exist? What a waste of time. And you know if it wasn't for them Hololive would have been even bigger right now.

This slide is also funny in relation to Cover's bizarre Europe-blindness, because they list the "global animation and live streaming market" as their next major source of growth, and Europe is a larger market for manga, anime, and video game streaming than NA

>>55646193
I bet you don't even watch her

>>55647838
Huh? What's that stupid logic? That's like saying coke would be more popular if fanta stopped existing.

You’d think you niggers would be Tempus’ biggest fans the way they’re always on your mind