/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>55627430
k

>>55627430
the spam did not work, who would've know.. huh

Her going on a 10 day break will only widen the gap too.

>>55627430
wait till her 10 day break you dumbass

>>55627430
>3k sub difference
Newfags itt have no clue just how badly gapped the lowest in a gen usually gets, Shiori's fine.

>>55627742
I'm sure that's what they said about finana too. Let's see what taking breaks and being the sole male collaber in her generation does to her numbers. Your days are numbered tempusanji niggers, you will suffer the same fate as mysta and nina.

>>55627641
10 day break is just the nail in the coffin. It's probably over

>>55627998
>getting angry at things that haven't even happened yet
based retard spouting schizo ramblings for my amusement

>>55627742
10 day break will make the gap into the 5 digits. Not impossible to recover from but harder if Bijou intends to stream for over 5 hours on some days

Turns out most people don't like listening to a girl ramble on about inane bullshit

>>55627456
go back to your phase/niji/idol discord

HOLOLIVE ONLY GROWS STRONGER

>>55627600
This.
What a retarded decision on her part to go on vacation right in the middle of debut month.

>>55628294
Not impossible for someone with talent and good work ethic to recover from sure.
Bae started her career as the runt of council and despite being the most talented and the hardest working she remains the runt of council. it's theoretically not impossible but the fact is if shiori is already lagging behind a little she's going to massively fall behind during her break and never recover.

The real question that matters is what she'll do as a response. kiara proves you can be the runt and still make bank if you know how to play your situation, will shiori take the kiara path of fostering a very passionate fandom or will she take the council approach of coasting and not really trying.

>>55629093
She needs to visit her "family" to "bond with them" please understand...

>>55627998
but finana is in nijishit, also she keeps talking about wanting to get fucked, DP and how she masturbates with anything that moves, is a whole different thing

>>55627742
But previously novelties were telling everyone that she was going to mog the rest of her gen. This isn't mogging anyone.

>>55627998
>sole male collabber
he doesn't know

>>55629233
>Plans to collab with the homos
>Two biggest homos get suspended
>Shiori also goes on break
What did Shiori mean by this?

>>55628975
what the fuck are you replying to me with that for? i like advent and holoen

>>55629368
They're delusional. If she actually goes through with GFE she really might be a monster for HoloEN, but stuff like that takes time to build a credibility for, and that will never make her the biggest in terms of sub count.

>>55627600
Her gap will be widened on that 10 day trip

>>55627430
I remember Kiara was like 100k behind everyone and reddit had to organize a campaign to give her subs. And then again when she stalled at 800k while everyone else was already past the million. Funnily at the time she had more subs than everyone in ID and JP. Crazy to think at some point Kiara had more subs than Pekora and Marine.

>>55629420
They turned gay. She's the only whore now

>>55627430

>>55627430
Seethe
She will be the SC queen

>>55627430
>NEW RUNT
Well, that’s a factor statement I cannot argue against. The pic speaks for itself.

>>55627742
Yeah, people just don't understand what "runt" means. There's always has to be someone with the lowest subs, but unless there's a significant difference (with like Sana), there's not necessarily a runt of the gen.

>>55627430
That 10 day break will do the opposite of numbers

Shiori haters eating good tonight

>>55633242
>There's always has to be someone with the lowest subs
That’s what people mean by runt.

>>55629187
>Bae started her career as the runt of council
Where did this rrat come from? Sana was easily the runt of Council at debut and Fauna was second-last. Bae started off strong with her model buff. Fauna then overtook her less than a year ago, and now Bae is in last place of Council.

>>55627430
I hope at least one of EN3 gets to 1 million subs.

>>55633076
biboo has so many great reaction images already, what a great addition

>>55627430
Stop breaking containment, numberfag.

>>55627430
What is with holofag fandom and numbers just fucking watch the cute anime girl and have fun. Jeezus you numberfags are so goddam cringe this is why i stopped watching hololive due to faggots like you

I mean, she has the least mainstream appeal by far just because of how she is. Is this really surprising?

>>55629682
She's eased up on the GFE. It would have been a slam-dunk for her but for whatever reason she decided to drop it.

>>55627430
good thing you put a red circle on that picture, I never would have guessed what you were getting at.

>>55633302
Yes, I know. What I'm saying is that that gives the wrong connotation. "Runt" makes you think of someone way weaker than everyone else, but if there's only like a 2% difference to the next person then it hardly matters. It's like calling a 6'7 dude a "runt" just because he's next to a guy at 6'8. It makes no sense.

>>55633242
That gaps going to widen more with her break. You don't go on breaks during your debut month.

>>55633336
Fuwamoco seems like a safe bet. They're very numberhungry.

>>55633129
>She will be the SC queen
nah that will be the twins.

>>55633707
I agree 100%, I'm just saying that the current difference is not huge. I mean people were calling Bijou the runt just a few days ago.

>>55629557
pretty sus indeed

>>55629368
once you go black

>>55633763
Hopefully in a year or two, depending on their momentum.

>>55627430
>subs are not even far from one another
this isn't like with Sana's case before newfag.
they all are thriving.

>>55633705
>What I'm saying is that that gives the wrong connotation
It’s how language works anon. I think Boomer used to be a person in their 60s, then it was younger, and younger, and now it’s like 30 years old or something? Anyway, meanings of words change a bit over time. Here people use runt to describe the lowest subs of their gen, plus anons enjoy using it that way, because they are tribal.

>>55633707
>>55633844
I'll tell you what though, anons even on the tiny indie threads argue over the difference between 1 viewer and 5 viewers. Everyone loves to argue about number differences but they don't really care about the bigger picture. It's true at every scale of the wider vtuber fandom.

>>55627600
what a dumb bitch

>>55629817

>>55629817
HA I GET IT.

I decided she wasn't for me, but why the fuck are so many people so passionate in their dislike of her, and rooting for any measure of failure?

She still netted about 160k subscribers since her debut, so she obviously has fans who enjoy her, and she and Hololive are likely very happy with how it has gone so far.

The other vtubers in her generation cover a very wide variety of tastes, given the four channel limit. Those other taste have also been successful, so you don’t need to worry about it disappearing if an individual vtuber retires. If none of them interest you, you got literally thousands of other options.

Just change the channel, don't worry about what others like, and enjoy what you like.

The relative success or failure of an individual Hololive vtuber that you do not watch has zero impact on you. So why care?

>>55627430

: )

>>55634172
No, that's not how language works. Baby Boomer still means someone that was born in post war 40s to mid 60s. Applying it ironically as a joke won't change that, not knowing that it's an incorrect application won't change it. Language changes but it doesn't buckle completely to jokes and the whims of the youth for a few years.
Eventually they will get older, forget, stop caring, use the right definition and so on. The next young generation will have their own stupid jokes that everyone will have to learn and then forget again in a few decades. That's how language works.

>>55634292
>makes nggrdick jokes in hololive
>respect my choices on debut
>insulted the twins
>organised a discord raid to spam /vt/ (yeah yeah don't try to deny it)
>clearly just in it for the money like nina

>>55634422
holy meds

>>55628073
Sana route. Dead pet incoming.

>>55627600
just heard she's vacationing in dubai

>>55633456
Sounds like you're the insecure faggot desu

>>55634172
Boomer refers to baby boomer, which is a specific post-WW2 generation. Zoomers are just too stupid to understand this and so has taken to calling everyone older than themselves boomers. That's not language, just internet meme-speak. Maybe you're one of them?
>Here people use runt to describe the lowest subs of their gen
Yes I know, and here I am pushing back against that idea. Use runt when it's appropriate, not when it's inappropriate. Is that really so difficult to understand? Words have meanings and the more we erode them, the most difficult to becomes to understand each other. Is that what you want?
I agree that language evolves, but it is up to us to make sure that it evolves in the right direction. Just letting it run wild is like shitting on a chair and calling it art.

>>55629368
I've literally never seen a novellite claim that. How could you even? Fuwamoco is jp crack.

>>55634292
>why the fuck are so many people so passionate in their dislike of her
Her debut performance was poor, she hinted that collabs may have males or people we dislike, the once black comment can be thought disrespectful, homobeggers love her because they think she is their ticket in, a perhaps small but vocal minority of her followers are absolute trash and likely because the homobeggers are utilizing her as a weapon, and she is raided constantly while her genmates get almost nothing.

>>55634361
Damn, I thought this bitch was doing numbers or something the way motherfuckers talk about her.

>>55634712
Nice projection numbercuck

>>55627430
k

>>55634805
>I-I stopped watching because the anons were getting to me! I can't watch cute girls do cute things without thinking about those FUCKING ANONS DOING NUMBERFAGGING! AAAGGHHHH!!

>>55634292
NTR loving coalburner whose entire inner friend circle consists solely of all the males she used to stream with.
Enough said.

>>55627430
its oky even she could break foe 1 year the Xsoflop and Krisis are still under her...

>>55634921
Actually Shiori gets more than all of their ccv combined

>>55634416
>>55634719
The use of the word runt in a place like this, doesn’t have to conform to a dictionary definition. It’s just an internet thing. It means lowest subs of their gen, while clearly also being an insult. So some tribal stuff.

>>55634292
She's Chinese and her voice is AIDS.

>>55634361
Plappers...

>>55635053
Language persists because the vested intellectual, commercial, and cultural traditions are much more robust and resilient to change than funny ironic memes. Does XBox mean something that is bloated and too big? No? Does it mean a console brand? Strange how language works, isn't it?
Now does a computer mean a woman or other device that conducts computations? Or does it usually mean an electronic digital computer specifically? In most cases people mean the latter, because the intellectual, commercial, and cultural traditions changed and required language to evolve.
That's the difference and how language really works.

>>55634361
She built that company with her own two hands.

>>55634858
Keep seething it makes me happy

>>55629579
Chumbuds are retarded

>>55627600
Based on what happened to Zaion, break this long this early may actually be really damaging to her growth. Still it's Holo and Advent so far has been pretty good, so I think she will manage

>>55635266
Wait? An anon projecting accuses others of projecting??! Say it isn't so!

>>55635190
>resilient to change than funny ironic memes
Has it really changed, or rather, is it used in different ways? Here is it used to mean lowest subs of their gen. Also fighting against it is a battle that cannot be won IMO.
>Now does a computer mean a woman
Not currently, which is why it sounds stupid to us. In a hundred years, then probably with the way AI is going, and how we will need to respect them as the next protected class or something. “Computers are women too”

>>55628975
These fucking bots I swear

>>55635539
Th point is that it isn't a function of language. It's a function of momentary sub-culture, and it is going to be unstable in the way that language is not.

>>55627430
SHIORI SHOULD FOLLOW KRISIS NO BREAK LOOK AT THEM.... PFFFF

>>55635757
>it is going to be unstable
This whole place is unstable anon.

The jealousy is astounding.

>>55634292
She sucks mainly for 2 reasons.
1. She got into hololive but still decides to act like a niji.
2. She and her simps raid /vt/ every. fucking. day. Making these stupid 1 off low effort reverse-psychology threads (that don't work mind you, I still won't give your hateoshi a single view).

>>55634422
>makes nggrdick jokes in hololive
most asians are racist. it's an ironic throwaway joke from someone who grew up terminally online. unless you have definite proof she's a turboslut don't expect her to be anywhere near welcoming to actual "nggrdick"
>respect my choices on debut
she's smart enough to learn she cant do GFE and male collabs at the same time, and not rich enough to afford the later. sooner or later she will have to make the choice.
>insulted the twins
the twins are my oshi this gen and i have to agree they dont know shit about western cartoons. no western streamer can imitate JP keyfabe this perfectly if they are not extreme japanophiles in the first place
>organised a discord raid to spam /vt/ (yeah yeah don't try to deny it)
a mix of hyped tourists and nijifalseflaggers shitting the catalog. shiori is very likely /here/ but I doubt she would waste her time astroturfing this shithole when she could shlick at fanfics written by her own horny fans.
>clearly just in it for the money like nina
every holo is in it for the money, anon. how many holos will stay if cover told them they will stop giving them salaries? even the most resolute JP talents will try to find side jobs that could take away from their streaming time.

>>55636181
>are my oshi this gen
Twitter tourist detected.

>>55636181
Respond to this: >>55634762

Kronii used to have a lead on Mumei of almost 140,000 subs or so, and look what happened. It's insane that she lost all that goodwill and got left behind. You have to be an absolute yab machine to fall off a cliff that bad, and Shiori is speedrunning the Kronii route. She didn't even bother taking the lead first.

that just means she has less dead subs than the others

>>55636395
I'm sure she'll be happy so long as we respect her collab choices.

>>55635053
You're an idiot.

>>55636401
They came out same time

>>55627742
This, Sana was always behind from day 1 and fell further and further behind. When she graduated her growth had pretty much flatlined. However much if that was due her being her own anti-hype, her own algo boost killer. You need to stream consistently, not even long per SE but consistently, for algo to be aware of your existence. If you were already huge enough that clips/vods/word of mouth can also do a lot of work it isn't as bad but Sana had not gotten to that point yet.

What is different from her and Shiori however is Shiori's design is 10x hotter, she has a nice voice, no thick accent, a quirky personality (very clippable) and is also more on the GFE side which has the most loyal fans (assuming the girl doesn't betray their trust). The vacation won't help her at all but she won't be forgotten as fast as Sana was.

Sana also had a habit of taking like Animal Crossing or Pokemon, playing it for like 8 hours and then fucking off for 2 months. Shiori's content is nothing like that.

>>55636444
Ad hominem

>>55636511
I'm sorry, I just don't think any effort spent arguing with you would be worth my time. You simply refuse to learn. The important part is that you understand that people will think you're an idiot. Maybe one day you'll be curious enough to discover why. (It's not very complicated, I believe in you!)

>>55636508
Yeah, Sana really was the perfect storm of debuffs. It's almost impressive looking back at it.Shiori has much more potential to squander.
I'll be disappointed if she drops the GFE now, she has the potential to be among the top earners in HoloEN.

I'm glad Fuwamoco are absolutely winning
Shows there's still a lot of fans out there who want that holoJP style idol loving cgdct content
Maybe there is hope

>>55634921
What a failure xsoleil was. The numbers on their original song are abysmal as well, they went from 6m on Iluna's song to 1 million on xsoleil's song.

>>55627600
I wonder what the break is actually for? Is she mentally burned out from all the backlash she got or is she actually going somewhere with family? Wouldn't surprise me if she's been crying herself to sleep ever since debut.

>>55636261
not this gen, i meant this branch. i browse both.
>>55636292
>debut performance was poor
i agree its boring, but nothing to passionately hate.
>homobeggars
homobeggars are unlikable by everyone. true starsfans who actually watch streams dont even like them since they only bring drama and politics. shiori is the only one in advent to have any indications of collabing with males so they latch onto her. but like i said, she's smart enough to not spam them like clock woman and soon the beggars will fuck off.
>raided constantly
bog standard cover corp tactic. runt of every new gen will be given a lot of support like being the host of the first full-gen collabs. the whole raid thing is new, brought in from tempus since those guys dont have a lot viewers.

>>55634056
They are already well ahead of the rest of their gen.
All it would take is the algorithm to catch on and they could skyrocket to 1 mil.
Both the EN and JP side love them.

>Second in CCV
>Second in SC
>Runt

Only Cover cares about subs.

>>55636809
This, they have literally like double the subs of the top starsEN Vesper only a bit over a week into this. That should tell cover loud and clear over a megaphone what the way forward is. I think they know since after all of they still thought they would get a Luxiem Jr trying to debut enough homos they would still be doing that. Just good to see yes the world is not crazy, Hololive fans always have liked it for cute girls. HoloJP built a grassroots EN fandom (that boosted Myth up to the moon from that goodwill) purely on cute girl's clips of translated JPs. That's always what it was about.

>>55627430
Lol nope. It's over.

>>55627600
Wait what? is she a dangerous retard? That's the worst business decision I've ever seen and HololiveEN has 2 (two) male gens

>>55629817
Alright, that's a good one.

>>55633801
The twins get only 50% of the channels spachas each, though.

>>55636136
I'll never understand "jealousy" angle. Why would someone be jealous say of Shiori, instead of Gura? Or of some JPs, like Koyori?
Or even someone from advent, why would they be jealous of Shiori and not Bijou/dogs/Nerissa?

>>55636992
She's suspended, retard.
Nobody would purposefully kill their growth at such a pivotal point in their career for something like this. People give up much more for less in other career paths when the opportunity presents itself.

Can't believe people at this stupid to not see it.

>>55640854
But why would cover suspend someone when they know it would stop their growth? It doesn't make sense for cover to suspend someone, which will be worse for them In the long run than just re-educating them on spot and giving them one day off.

>>55640938
I don't know why, but Nijisanji did the same thing with Zaion too.
I think it's not the most ideal way to go about things too, but that's clearly just the discipline route they've chosen to take to.

>>55634719
Stop typing out essays arguing with people that are just shitposting to shitpost you dummy

>>55641037
Still, I don't like suspension rrat, it jsut brings too many cons.
>Growth retardation
>Probably affects chuubas morale
>Creates new rrats which makes chuuba untrustworthy, which causes even more growth retardation, which in turn affects chuubas morale and etc.
I just don't think cover would do this to a chuuba, that isn't really established properly, not atleast few months in.

>>55641152
Could be some other reason but it would have to be a damn good one because I guarantee it isn't 'just going to meet family'.
I know people like to think everybody else has this great tight knit ideal family where everybody all comes together and everythings great but if she was that close to her family she'd tell them about her job opportunity, and they'd understand and support why she can't be there one time.

The suspension rrat has credence because she's brought a lot of crass twitch humor with her which, as people have pointed out, doesn't fit with the image of hololive.
I see hololive the same way I see Nintendo, they're very careful about their image and they don't want to damage it in any way.

This suspension is more than likely just reprimanding her to get her to adjust how she carries herself now.
Why they decided to do that during such a crucial point in time? Beats me, but the suspension itself still makes sense, it's just not an optimal time to do it IMO, but it's their business so it's ultimately their decision.

>>55636137
NTA but how do you know it's her raiding specifically? Are there Discord screencaps or something?

>>55641450
I've seen a lot of retards on /vt/ But you, anon, are a special breed. Seriously.

>>55641561
If you legitimately think she's taking a 10-day break to see family barely a week after debut, you are clinically retarded and embarrassingly gullible.

>>55641643
Right, her getting suspended is so much more realistic.

a healthy litter of puppies has no runts, and this is the case with EN3

>>55627430
Shiori is the next Sana. Expect back injuries within a year.

>>55641730
It legitimately is. It makes no sense for her to meet family at such a critical time in her career. She's been doing this for 5+ years, she has a fucking video about the history of vtubers. She knows what taking an extended break will do to her channel, and unless she's a massive retard that thinks she's superior to her genmates (probably does lmao) there's no reason to make this move.
Whereas a suspension for something behind the scenes or just for her general retardation makes just as much sense as the given truth.
Honestly it wouldn't be surprising if it was over the whole collab yab in the first place.

>>55641730
Yes. It's one of if not the only reasons that makes sense as to why she'd disappear now when her growth is going to be crippled.
You're the same sort of retard who said the exact same shit when Zaion was suspended but tweeted that she had to meet family too.

Nobody is doing this to themselves. Shiori has like 5+ years of vtubing experience. The first month is the most important month of your career, and you think she's gave that up to go say hello to uncle teddy and auntie maple lmfao. Come on now.

>>55641854
>>55641866
The suspension will be to tell her to tone down the twitch humor because she's not a twitch whore now, she's a hololiver.
A hololiver saying things like "after black you can't go back" is just not something you come to expect a vtuber from that company to say. That sort of thing immediately brings up images of nijisanji or vshojo, not hololive.
They're not seiso in hololive by any means but they're not crass, there's a difference between wholesome flirtation and stuff you'd expect someone like veibei to say.

>>55627430
Girl tanked her career day one by saying she could work with men bro I wanna cry I just want to see a beautiful world, I don’t want this girl to fail but she’s trying so hard to make it true

>>55641854
>>55642191
>She's suspended, but still streaming.
Nijifaggots, everyone.

>>55642272
Stop larping, retard.

>>55627430
but pic related is all runts

>>55642191
>hololiver
Niji garbage.

Friendly reminder that all her 1view male simp streamers she hung around with are all /here/, just like she is.
Friendly reminder that her failed 1view simp streamer friends are the ones spamming threads and damage controlling for her.

>>55642416
Name three.

>>55640854
>Suspended
>Still streaming.
What does the retard mean by this?

>>55642416
they've done more damage than good. nobody likes or wants to be associated with her fanbase

>>55642416

>>55642453
You get a date when a suspension happens, dumb cunt.
Doesn't just happen on the spot.

>>55627430
Stop being rude. It'd probably hurt hner feelings if she found out that you were calling her a runt.

>>55642536

Homobeggar deflection thread lmao.

>>55642628

>>55642628
novelites are the quintessential homobegging fanbase though

>>55627430
She's still going to dominate SCs long term so long as she doesn't collab with a male

>>55642719
She's already collab'd with one. She collab'd with one on her very first non-debut stream. Just behind the scenes, but she still credited him.

>>55642719
During the Only Up stream she stopped talking about husbandos after she saw how much the chat was thirsting after her. If she can understand that much, I think she's good.

>>55627430
Why are you guys like this? Why can't you just be normal?

>>55627430
BAU BAU!

>>55640854
suspended for what you mong

>>55642466
>samefagging

>>55642525
When they suspend people it's always day-of you fucking tourist.

>>55643006
Acting like a twitch thot in a prestigious company like hololive.

>>55640854
The absolute fucking state of drama tourists. You 100% came from one of those ebin containment breaking videos that post /vt/ screenshots, right?

>>55643084
yeah just like all the other holoens
oh wait

>>55643101
I've been here all summer.

>>55642676
Why is her child dead?

>>55642191
>doesnt know it was about a parasite and mention to kill, outright advocated to gas the coal burners
Absolute state of Nijifaggot projection to ignore it.

>>55643263
The absolute cope novelcucks display is hilarious to see.

>>55627430
>losing a 80k pre-debut lead

kek what a dumb bitch

>>55642191
Hololive truly is entering a golden age if this the best you can come up with.

Though I understand that dramafags must be feeling particularly parched since even the Nerissa riced yab was forgotten real quick. And thank god for that.

>>55627430
Still more viewers than the other two in the screenshot

>>55643563
And superchats.

Fauna and Mumei are top EN streamers these days after Gura. Doesn't matter if Mori and Ame have over double the subs.

>>55643548
It is enjoying a golden age and thankfully Shitori and her braindead fanbase are being alienated from it.
The other Advent girls are all kino and don't need the NTR whore tainting them with her shit.