/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

once upon a time, there was unity among the 5 tribes...

>>55496994
All of them can be good training grounds for my favourite big corpo, so they are quite important for the whole industry.

>>55496994
>Original
Every company was small at first faggot.

>>55496994
Quick run down on each?

>>55496994
All of them are pyramid schemes.

>>55496994
Phase Connect is a CHUD company

>>55497199
>Tsunderia: CEO allowed his friend and major investor to try and groom talents
>Cyberlive: filled with backstabbing whores
>Kawaii: Nene's clique
>Prism: Sony incompetence
>Phase: Pippa

>>55496994
>Tsundaria
Ded
>Cyber
Who?
>Phase
Pippa Corp
>Kawaii
Nene Corp
>Prism
Who?

>>55497114
But then the Phase nation attacked?

>>55497181
back in 2021 these were the five that were dominating the small corpo scene at one time, and were pretty unified back then. Also Tsunderia was the first corpo in the west.
>>55497199
Sure. All companies started in 2021 except for Tsunderia, which was 2020
>Tsunderia
The very first corpo to pop up in the west, before VShojo. They disbanded last year.
>CyberLive
lasted about a year before converting to a VTuber group called Aetheria, and then disbanding all together after drama.
>Phase Connect
Currently still going strong, the strongest of the 5 without a doubt.
>Production Kawaii
still ongoing but lost about half their company along the way.
>Prism Project
Was probably the strongest of the 5 during 2021, sold out to Sony and fell into obscurity despite having 7 gens.

>>55496994
>Tsunderia
On life support
>Cyberlive
Killed itself
>Phase
Pippa's shithole
>Kawaii
Boring GFE
>Prism
Got duped by Sony

>>55497464
>despite having 7 gens.
3 of those gens happened within the last 4 months tbf, but they had nothing during the entirety of 2022

Their fates
Cyberlive -- Complete fucking collapse and a huge scandal.
Tsunderia -- Went out of business and collapsed
Prism -- Bought out by Sony
Kawaii -- Entire new gen was fired because of leaking and drama
Phase Connect -- Doing well and thriving because of the Kiwifarms rabbit

>>55497555
And to be fair those gens are still not doing that good.

>>55496994
>Tsunderia
absorbed by Phase
>Prism
absorbed by Sony
>Kawaii
limping about with shrinking numbers
>Cyberlive
sabotaged by Phase, but lives on in Idol

>>55497579
they're still doing better than kawaii at least

>>55497199
>Tsunderia: we're the first western corpo (male gen sank the company)
>Cyberlive: let's constantly bitch, bicker and backstab each other.
>Phase: only one that's currently in a healthy state and competing with the Jews, kind of carried by Pippa though, pretends to be based and redpilled but both the fans and the antis heavily exaggerate this
>Production Kawaii: trying to be idols but their biggest talent is a complete menhera that sabotages the others, whole gen left a month (2?) or so ago
>Prism Project: partnered with Sony. Everything Sony has touched in the last decade has been miserable. One of Moona's sisters is there though so gets some Hololive collabs

>Tsunderia
Destroyed by Lumi's poaching.
>Cyberlive
Destroyed by Lumi's backstabbing.
>Kawaii
Sabotaged by Lumi's doxing.
>Prism
Sold out to a company who forget they exist by the advice of Lumi.
>Phase
Currently being dismantled by Lumi.

>>55497114
>>55497357
The only bad blood is between one Phase Connect talent (who used to be in CyberLive), and the rest of the former CyberLive talents.
Tsunderia imploded on it's own, and a few of them moved to Phase, while the rest went indie.
And Phase, Prism, Kawaii, and the former Tsunderia indies still continue to collab fairly often.
Kawaii had its own internal drama, and Prism made the controversial decision to add males, but they're both still on good terms with the other corpos.

>>55496994
>Tsunderia and Cyberlive got divided up between Phase, Idol and Opera
>Kawaii is rapidly deteriorating in relevance after many of their main talents left
>Prism irrevocably damaged their brand by failing to keep their actually successful talents motivated
I think their main legacy will be paving the way for a higher degree of mental illness in EN corpotubing. JPs have a longer history of being perfomatively menhera but the big two EN branches as well as VS (which isn't a corpo arguably) had more of an expectation of semi-well adjusted behaviour until these came around.

>>55497645
Are they really? Why are they never talked about then? Well at least, they aren't talked about /here/. I can't speak for anywhere else.

>>55497924
>Well at least, they aren't talked about /here/.
Their fanbase isn't full of schizos

>>55497706
from the things I heard about Cyberlive, I hope that everyone involved (Lumi too) can move on and do better things. That corpo was apparently hell from day 1. I know at least Chapipi, Inori, Yuri, Menace, and Seina seem to have moved on. The recent dramas from this year has me concerned about the rest.

>>55498069
Well then evidently schizos are good for generating publicity. Maybe they should get some.

>>55497924
>>55497645
Prism's latest gen all cap out at less than 200 viewers about 5 weeks after debut. Is Kawaii that bad? I honestly don't know.
I feel like Prism never really got a niche and Vreverie is kind of soaking up a lot of the "quirky but not edgy" interest group that would've gone to them or tsun previously in the background.

>>55497199
basically this

The only problem with this is the popular one in cyberlive was actually Lumi, Emma had more subs and more viewers but Lumi brought in way more money.

I always thought it was a meme but Lumi unironically killed Cyberlive kek.

>>55498220
She did everyone a favor.

>>55498107
Schizos aren't good nor bad for publicity; They're simply a possible symptom and potential predictor of it.
Having schizos doesn't necessarily make you popular; Beatani very much discovered that.

>>55498069
You should check /ppg+/ more often

>>55498111
Only Nene is capable of getting over 200, and only during ASMR, most kawaii girls barely break 70ccv

>>55498220
Hylo is a fat anti-loli spic onlyfans whore.

>>55498264
theres nothing schizo about wanting to have sex with hairloops

>>55496994
who?

>>55498308
None of what you said means anything

>>55498266
Wait.
What.
This is way worse than I thought.
I was raised into Shee a while ago and she sat at 120 before the counter updated.
This is kind of dire.

>>55498166
>Special agents sent back to the past to prevent humand losing interest and passion for others
They really suck at it

>>55498348
Sup Hylo.

>>55496994
CyberLive's legacy is a drama-filled cesspool that is best forgotten.
Tsunderia's legacy is the first western corpo that paved the way for the current league of small/medium corpos: Phase Connect, Idol, Kawaii, and Prism. Whose legacy, in turn, is providing an alternative 3rd type of content, different from both Holo and Nji/VShojo.
Hololive provides the standard sanatized idol experience.
Nijisanji and VShojo provide the full talent freedom, anti-idol experience.
Phase, Idol, Kawaii, and Prism provide something in between, where talents are free to do edgy/menhera content, but still respect the aspect of idol culture in which they are expected to not be total whores.

You're forgetting there were agencies before these like ICETEA, the one Moe was in

>>55497924
Prism is flopping in CCV but they just got a song produced by teddyloid and also Shiki got signed under Sony Music, so I guess things aren't all that bad.

Prism has never had much presence because most of their girls are boring entertainers and the company has never done anything notable other than getting Shiki that music label. Hard to say anything because there's really almost nothing to talk about in regards to them.

>>55498220
Based, I can't wait for her to kill Phase Connect next

>>55496994
Interestingly enough, all 5 either were within an inch of imploding, are within an inch of imploding, or have imploded.

Really goes to show just how much of the industry is a mix of luck and Just Wing It.

>Prism
I feel bad for them. Sara, Yura and Pina deserve better

>>55498686
Yura deserves all the shit she got for being a Kson cocksucker

>>55498686
lot's of the vtubers under Sony deserve better

>>55496994
>Phase
E-celeb cocksleeves
>Idol
Tempus cocksleeves
>Kawaii
Nene and uhhhhhhhhhh
>Prism
Retards for make a male gen
>Tsunderia
How not to handle being a small corpo

>>55496994
Besides, you know, the original companies that ran early vtubers like Kizuna Ai, Mirai Akari, Kaguya Luna, and so on.

>>55498518
Prism kneecapped their own growth by debuting a male gen 1 month after their first gen in a year

>>55498886
Did you ever get therapy?

>>55498686
>Yura
>Deserving better

>>55498838
Activ8
GOOM STUDIO
THE MOON STUDIO
Vic. Inc

>>55496994
As someone who got in small corpo in 2021 instead of being a catalog fag
> tsunderia collapsed because the CEO doesn't give a fuck. He was just trying to make a quick buck in the scene and being one of the first. The contract was very generous with a lot of " talent freedom" but that also coke with little support. They barely get any merch, terrible merch and project planning, and talents have to do a lot of the work that should be management side job (packing for merch, etc). After the company is gone, the talents are still on good term with each other and mostly doing well as indie or being in other corpo
Cyberlive: similiar to tsun in being overly idealistic with cut and "talent freedom". However, there were also internal major drama with all management and talents involved that still linger until this day. They straight up can't get merch or anything done as well.
Prism: one of the first "idol small corpo" that mirror hololive. There were some terrible decision (particularly regarding membership). The CEO lacks focus and got sidetracked by shit like NFT which blows up in his face. The company growth stalled without project done and 2 of their strong growing girls (shiki and luto) going on extensive breaks due to personal reason. After the fish early graduation, he sell the company to Sony. It takes 1 year for Sony to kickstart Prism back into gear with a new gen/invader and music project being released. They probably are ready to make some big move soon.
Kawaii: has some management issue later on but kinda fix them slowly. They were growing well and was at #1-2 spot, and made huge investment into pushing for 3d and idol concert like the big league. However, gen 3 having internal drama with each other as well as against management probably set them back greatly. They still managed to be the only small EN corpo that get a solid 3d concert out. However, due to gen 3, they probably lost a lot money investment in the model as well as having to refund a huge sum of money for those gen 3 donothon. There is a gap in their project pacing. They are the only corpo dedicared hard to push the Holojp idol experience and that sort of stall their growth as well as the small corpo pushing for the western streamer scene are growing faster in the EN scene. Also, they are conservative in investment into ads and promotional purpose. They try to lick their wound with an upcoming gen 4.
Phase: solid start and got boosted really hard by Pippa, for better or worse. Some girls in the company alter their stream content and social media activity to fit in with Pippa while others distance themselves from it. The CEO pretty much allows the talents to do w/e they want.

>>55498479
>phase
>expected to not be total whores
lol

>>55499230
shit, can you summarize that into a thumbnail?

>>55496994
Pippa won

>>55496994
The legacy of Tsunderia and Cyberlive is becoming cautionary tales for the rest of the industry. The rest are still stories being written.

I thought at first that Phase and Kawaii were going to die, either collapsing or languishing in obscurity. While Prism, after Sony bough it, would be a small corpo with big money behind it - allowing it to endure the losses and eventually rise through a mix of business-savvy management, entertainment industry connections and steady investment.

Instead, it looks like, in a series of unusual events, Phase became the one small corpo that made it. They aren't up there with the big boys yet, but they seemingly made it out of the small corpo meat grinder and into some "medium corpo" zone.

Instead of Prism, the place of "a small corpo with big money behind it" went to Idol. Although I wouldn't write Prism and Kawaii off entirely just yet.

>>55497466
>On life support
tsunderia is literally dead, bro. where have you been?

>>55499394
>>55499230
If Kawaii isn't able to get the new gen out by the end of september there isn't going to be much more hope left for them

>>55499394
Prism is dead, man. Kawaii honestly just needs ads.

>>55499346
Tsun : shit CEO that never get his shit together. Talents are solid though and still doing well and like each kther
Cyberlive: shit CEO that never get his shit together. Talents/managers were at war with each other and the bad blood still last until this day.
Prism: CEO try to make hololive, but got sidetracked by NFT and sell to Sony. Shiki/Luto had to go on break. Sony is trying to kickstart Prism
Kawaii: true holo jp idol experience. They invest a lot for the 3d and concert but didn't buy the ad. They are still growing slowly but not as fast as some other small corpo that exploded in number. Gen 3 set them back greatly reputation and financially
Phase: Pippa's method made the company bloom in popularity for better or worse

>>55496994
Move away grampa

>>55499561
Kawaii is never quite bad with project delay. They get their 3d done really fast and gen release really fast. Perhaps gen 3 was released too quickly with too short of the time from audition to debut (like 3 months). I think they might take their time this time. I don't think ads will help them that much due to their nature of being more "idol like" but they should participate in more cons and having small performance in those cons.

>>55496994
and then there was just Phase Connect from this pic.
Kawaii would be there if they didn't hire cancer for Gen3. Aletta and Oceane would've been their 2 biggest stars.

>>55498220
I’m confused by that post. Lumi was terrible and everybody hated her but then they begged her to stay? How does that make any sense?
Also why doesn’t Hylo just post her dms with Lumi? That would go a lot further than posting a screenshot of a 4chan post.

>>55499862
I'm 90% sure that they would have announced a gen 3 3d being in the work after the concert or sometime around now until gen4 release. Now, they just have an empty gap until gen 4.

What are the new small companies?

>>55496994
Switch out Kawaii for idol. Kawaii is no longer relevant.

>>55499860
Kawaii's problem is that they're a bunch of introverts that are trying to be idols, they don't have the drive to actually GO OUT and do stuff

>>55499240
Who in Phase is a "total whore", to a Niji or VShojo level? Please enlighten me.

>>55500000
Mr.Getman see: >>55499826

>>55500000
Now ones for EN are V&U, pixel link, vreverie, idol, and EIEN.

>>55499826
EIEN?

>>55497849
As a longtime Prism fan, Luto going on repeated lengthy hiatus cratered the company’s virality. She was their Pippa (not quite as powerful but comparable role) until she took an entire year on-again-off-again working a normie job and having real life shit. Shiki had a ton of momentum at debut (gen3 was the prism golden age) but has mostly failed to keep that going. She got a record deal though which is pretty significant for small corpos.

Gens 5-7 are the Sony gens. Ami from 5 is promising, I believe she joined to try and get a record deal. 6 is males, we don’t talk about them. 7 is an invader wave and includes Emma from Cyberlive. I think all 3 of gen 7 are looking to get into music, while Emma seems to just want a manager. I wonder if she had beef with Lumi and chose prism over phase invaders?

So Prism is the singer focused small corpo I guess. The talents are mostly great and underrated streamers, I blame Prism management and Sony for failing to market the girls and buy intelligent advertising as idol has done.

Prism is dead, its gen 5 is over with one going MIA and one having her contract sold to Idol, gen 6 (males) is deader than dead, and gen 7 is on the verge of returning to indies.

Only Naki GFE is keeping Sony's stock price barely afloat at this point.

>>55500046
Idol and Phase aren’t “small” anymore I consider them medium corpos now

>>55500087
how many talents does Phase have now that regularly break 500+?

>>55498479
>Hololive provides the standard sanatized idol experience.
Sanitized*. Also you have no idea what an "idol experience" is, not even Cover call themselve idol company anymore, nor did they start as one. They are idol-ish at best.
>Nijisanji provide the full talent freedom, anti-idol experience.
There are no "talent freedom" in Nijisanji, they do not go out of their way to be "anti-idol", they prioritize streaming because to do more require money and company support and Riku sure as hell won't pay for that. They started as a low cost alternative to Kizuna Ai's expensive 3D setup, it worked for a while.
>VShojo provide the full talent freedom, anti-idol experience.
VShojo are a mix of western anime fans and literal bandwagon normies. They introduce politics into vtubing, do nepo hires, have founding members graduate, backstab coworker, and just act spiteful in general. Their branding of "talent freedom, anti-idol experience" is just full of shit, it isn't an advantage. Good thing compare to Holo and Niji, they are a drop in the ocean.

You people sound like women. Just watch who you like.

>>55500017
You don't have to go out and "do stuff" as a vtuber idol. There aren't just that many opportunity to perform in the EN scene compared to jp scene. There are more jp events we're small jp vtuber corpo and indie can sign up to perform. They definitely don't do a lot of collab other than Reina though. Many Kawaii fans do prefer the solo stream though.

>>55500000
There's also an EN AVtuber small corpo coming next year

>>55499947
Management probably begged her to stay because numbers. And she did post DMs. I personally think exposing everything makes Hylo look worse, but I don't think she cares either.

>>55497292
isn't what happened with tsunderia the same thing that happened to WACTOR too (except i think it was the CEO himself and not a friend right?)? these CEO's are sleezy as fuck and can't be trusted

>>55500264
What DMs did she post? Did she do it recently? I’ve never seen them posted here

>>55500000
How many more livers does Niji have to lose before it becomes small? Maybe give it a year or two and it'll be down there with Pixelink and Kavvaii.

>>55500046
Vreverie
This girl is a diamond in the rough
https://youtube.com/@CheriLupina

>>55500151
Id say only 3: Pippa, Lumi and Tenma.
Lia and Shiina can hit 500 but their average is closer to 300+.

>>55500351
Niji will always be considered big simply by name alone. They still have a huge JP side

>>55500421
Lumi is >twitch
she has been streaming every day on YouTube for the last 2 months and she is about 300 on there

>>55500421
Lia and Shiina are usually in the 400s but have hit 4 views without raids recently, they’ve had good growth lately.
Most of the other talents aside from the JP girls are in the 250 to 300 range

>>55500151
Four to five I think?

Pippa is obvious. She probably has more antis hatewatching than most small corpo vtubers have viewers total. Then there's Lia and Tenma in Gen 1, Shiina in Gen 2 and Lumi (yes, that one - the sociopath, the boogeyman, the cursed blade that thirsts for blood) in the weird "Invaders" branch.

Tsunderia lives on as a HYDRA style organization. It pulls the strings from behind the other corpos and indies

>>55500151
Pippa is in another league.
Tenma is high 3view YT and can break 4view on Twitch
Lia and Shiina now hit 500+ at least a couple times a week
Lumi is high 3view Twitch but 300ish YT.

>>55499230
>Kawaii
>gen 3 having internal drama with each other as well as against management
The only issue Gen 3 had with each other was a backstabbing and doxxing member called Oceane. The other 4 became one of the strongest units in vtubing. So strong that they were able to "unionize" against the toxic parts of Kawaii's company culture, made demands, didn't back down, and then quit altogether to form an indie group. They have been streaming with temp models since then, but are expected to announce their new group sometime next month.
>They try to lick their wound with an upcoming gen 4
I hope they fixed their management and inter-gen issues, otherwise history will repeat.

>>55500070
>one having her contract sold to Idol
Keep dreaming, Aviel

>>55497199
>Tsunderia
Zero talent apart from Lisa and Ami, who came on board too late. Thus the company died
>Cyberlive
Zero talent period. Dead
>Phase Connect
Sad girl harem. Aka CEO is whipped by mentally ill 2views. Probably the only company in this list that will survive long term.
>Production Kawaii
Black company with ESL talents who constantly GFE/Coom-baits
>PRISM
Going the way of Tsunderia. A few talents wasted on a company that sits on its ass

>>55500313
Tsunderia collapsed because the CEO did literally fucking nothing, WACTOR collapsed because the CEO fucked over all of his talents that weren't literally fucking him.

>>55498799
>Anon
ESL

What about Eilene corpo

>>55500264
There was no management. When she left, Lumi was doing their job.

>>55500322
I think posting receipts makes her look worse because sharing private DMs is scummy as fuck, no matter the circumstances. It was always clear none of the CL girls like Lumi, and Lumi doesn't like them.
Hylo should have just let shit be because it doesn't matter what she says, Lumifags will always love their yellow woman. But instead, she comes off looking worse than Lumi.

>>55500048
unironically killed by Riifu graduation. I'm generally pretty optimistic about this sort of thing but its VERY hard to come back from having your biggest talent leave, especially on bad terms

>>55500827
>he fell for the whorse's lies

>>55496994
which of them have discord for the fans?

>>55500409
I like Vrev.
Nova is the better haha-dragon and my TCG tomboy gf

>>55500048
>GFE disaster #2838
Lol. Lmao

>>55501371
Looking to groom?

>>55497157
this would only be true if the big corpos truly brought in the best of the best, but they really don't.

>>55501296
>I'm better than you
>intracompany tribalfag
>dramabaiting
So, yellow woman is bad. Hylo taking one for the team, I guess.

That Nene Amano is a Bitch Slut

>>55501371
All of them did at one point, but that's irrelevant to whatever bullshit you'll throw at the wall
>>55501429
Even if he was, Cyberlive/Tsunderia discords are probably dead, Phase and Kawaii have layers upon layers of faggot orbiters to face (artists, mods, whipped managers, etc) , and Prism is just completely irrelevant (I don't even think anyone worth grooming ever joined)

>>55501296
I think posting receipts is fine in the case of serious accusations. This however just looks retarded.
Hylo wants to close the book but randomly brings it up after she’s graduated and privated her twitter? Then she leaves out her own responses to Lumi’s dms? It just makes it seem like both parties are massive bitches.

>>55501662
>It just makes it seem like both parties are massive bitches.
I think that's the point, I don't think Hylo cares about her own reputations since she posted this after privating her twitter and graduating.
Lumi always had the benefit of the doubt in the thousands of bait threads because there was never concrete proof that she actively sought to undermine other talents, but now, there's first hand account and proof of the rrats actually taking place.

On all the "Phase is carried by Pippa": I think that's a challenge any small corpo has to face, unless it implodes first.

Most small corpos are more Niji than they are Holo, in that there's no "safety net". Holo does alright with small well supported well-rounded generations - Niji favors quantity and "sink or swim". Small corpos can rarely afford anything more than "sink or swim" - and they can only hope that among the talent that swims, there will be strong swimmers.

The challenge is transitioning then from being a small corpo that just happens to have one big name in it, and into a medium corpo with a more well rounded roster. You can easily fuck that up, and end up with your one big talent falling from grace, jumping shit or just menhera self-destructing from the mix of ego boost and increased pressure.

Phase-Connect is in the middle of doing that transition. It helps that the "big talent" in question seems to cooperate - from what I've heard, Pippa has toned down her controversymaxxing that fueled a lot of her growth. That, or she yabbed so hard she built up yab immunity and none of her newer yabs make the news anymore.

>>55500048
Permanently destroyed by Riifu and Kiki. Even if Killia and Skye are decent, people are understandably not willing to risk it due to who they've associated with and the reputation the corpo as a whole now has.

>>55501305
It was dead before she even graduated, when she was outed as a literal whore (and yes, I mean LITERAL).

>>55500827
Oceane is still within gen 3. She was actually friend with Miryu prior joining as well and it seem like she had conflict with other gen 3 rather than gen 1/2. Yea they are so powerful they "unified" and unionized against big bad corpo consisted of 6 people on slacks lol. They just don't like the corpo life and they don't like being idol but still sign up for kawaii I guess. They can do what they want I guess.

>>55501296
this is why I am glad my phase oshi keeps Lumi at arms length.
i don't trust the Lumi clique of her, Shiina, Jelly.

>>55502141
Who, Lia?

>>55499230
Even at the beginning these corpos attracted total amateurs without a clue. It's not all the talents fault though, they corpos should have given them some stake in the company or shares. It's not all the corpo's fault either, these so called talents thought they could coast on a brand and not push themselves and the medium. Even with a small corpo you're given a leg up, but many expected a full carry.

>>55500827
>then quit altogether to form an indie group.
Who gives a shit? They are all 2views except Aletta who is a fringe 3view.

Everybody lost in that deal. Aletta would probably be sitting at 400k subs right now. She went from big money, high profile collabs, and great ccv in th 400/500 range to now slumming it up.

>>55501857
“The concrete proof” leaves a little to be desired after 2 years of hearing about how she single handedly burnt Cyberlive to the ground from the inside.
I don’t think anyone ever doubted Lumi was a bitch. Her actions, like using the CL girl’s models on her own stream this year showcase that.
All Hylo’s tweet does is show us that Lumi was guilty of gossiping and going behind peoples backs like the rest of Cyberlive did. But again, who’s really surprised? Women will be women.

>>55502220
Lia fags are ok with Shiina because Lia goes to her and Tenma for a lot of vtubing guidance. Lia is like Shiina's apprentice.

>>55498166
Outdated af, doesn't even have kana in tsunderia

>>55502443
Lia said she looked up to Shiina and Lumi a lot on her recent birthday stream

>>55501296
Well that's pretty damning. Lumi was my oshi for a long time. Granted, I've already been drifting away lately because her stupid anti-capitalist rants have been annoying me and makes me think there's credibility to the "grifter" accusations, but this definitely adds to it.
I just can't think of any good reason she'd do this. It's just weird. Unless maybe Pandora and Yuri were the ones that started the numberfagging, they made Hylo feel bad, and Lumi was trying to make her feel better? Or maybe Hylo was getting competitive and was the one who prompted these messages, and Lumi was just playing along out of politeness? Or hell, maybe it'd be justified if this happened after the other girls were bitchy to Lumi in some way? Man, I just don't know.

>>55497349
>cyber
Murdered by yellow woman
>prism
Shiki's corp

>>55502282
Share in the company doesn't make sense. These corpos usually have like sub 5 employee starting out lol. They don't have stocks or shares

>>55502029
Love me dumb green slut. Everyone knew because she told them outright in her debut.

>>55500048
>Riifu graduated early on putting Eien on dramawatch
>During dramawatch Kiki has the chair sale yab, which even if it wasn't true it was enough of a repellant to potential viewers already dubious about a messy graduation
>Kilia goes on a several week vacation during all of this, killing her early growth and leaving Eien with only one member to represent
>Skye is too fujo and niche to hold an interest
>Management drags Riifu drama out again just to clarify some details on her graduation when people were ready to move on
Plus you had other issues like direct contact with fans via Discord causing drama and community exclusivity, look through their discord archive and half of it is gossiping about the goings-on at the discord server. That's not where you want your community to be.
The biggest hit was the lack of group cohesion: Kiki and Riifu were ridiculously eager to coombait whilst Kilia and Skye were trying to be normal and it wasn't live and let live either; Skye caused further alienation because she was vocal but flip-flopped over that shit a lot and the crossover between fans was a mess.
I don't know what the atmosphere is over at Eien nowadays, but it must feel pretty bleak. Gen 2 is literally their only hope at this point. All I can really say to them is Good Luck and shut down the Discord.

>>55502524
>>55502443
Lia looks up to a lot of people she is the youngest in the company, so she turns to the elders of Tenma, Shiina, Dizzy, Pippa, and I guess Lumi now.

It's just does she have the maturity/wisdom to know when certain people are writing the wrong answers on the mirror for her?

I would say up to this point, nobody has really done that because she has really been excelling.

>>55502715
>discord archive
I meant thread general archive, but I wouldn't be surprised if it went both ways

>>55498107
All schizo discourse does is draw in more schizos

>>55502715
>Management drags Riifu drama out again just to clarify some details on her graduation when people were ready to move on
This was the funniest part. Just out of nowhere and to absolutely no one's benefit. Brilliant work by management.

>>55502715
Skye just came back off a month break. The comeback was well received. Speaking frankly though, her numbers are not great and they caused her a lot of distress, worrying that she might fired, her words.
She's trying to move past it though.
Hate management, but love to Kilia and Skye while I wait for Riifu to come back with her AVtubing corpo.

>>55501296
>internal tribalfaggotry
Based Lumi encouraging their coworkers to improve themselves

>>55502337
>picrel
The thing is... those screenshots happened in 2022 AFTER these DMs >>55501296 (in 2021)
Which makes it seem like Lumi was the instigator with her petty gossipping, and the messages in those screenshots were a response to it.
Unless the other girls did something to provoke Lumi even earlier than Sep 2021, before the DMs Hylo posted.

>>55498220
Western sio

>>55503138
Who’s to say Hylo wasn’t the one who dmed Lumi first? She’s still bringing it up 2 years later so obviously she has no qualms about starting/rehashing old drama. Hylo obviously left out her own replies for a reason, because in this situation posting the whole log of dms between them would make Hylo look like a saint if her retelling of events is 100% true.

>>55500827
I respect the right of the girls to make demands, but I think it wasn't a good choice to leave, only they know if not having to give a cut from their revenue to a corp is worth starting from zero with a shitty temp model and the extra effort that means not having a management to deal with other stuff.

>>55496994
The real question is who has the biggest boobs in each company.
>Tsunderia
Rather modest company with its sizes. Miori is the biggest if we count count slugma.
>phase connect
The land of hills and valleys, they really only have big tits or flats chicks. The biggest is between Dizzy, Erina or Airi. Dizzy's look the biggest but Erina is much taller.
>Prism
Lana wins this one easy. Prism has the most even spread for breast sizes.
>Kawaii
Tends towards the larger sizes, no true flat or even small chested girl. Namiji or Nene are the biggest it is pretty close.
>Cyberlive
Emma and Inori were the only ones that were "large" besides them they were between flat to medium-large. Emma wins.

The winner overall is Shikami Lana from prism.

>>55497737
I kneel lemon woman.

>>55502958
Skye got done dirty.
>Is a retrofag
>Plays GOATED shit like STALKER, Silent Hill, Titanfall
>3 or more streams per week
>Great model and voice
>Extra effort in making fun assets to use in streams
>Creative content
>Appreciates culture but doesn't want to go full coomer grifter
>Isn't apologetic about what she likes, but wants to share it instead of being confrontational
Spamming the worst dark souls game early in debut wasn't doing her any favors, but on paper she deserves to be cream of the crop in vtubing. Instead she got bad optics early on being associated to the coomers and getting made out to be a wet blanket when she didn't follow their lead and weighed down by the stress of shit that wasn't her fault.
If anyone deserves a second chance it's Skye.

>>55500827
>Oceanne
Her model is hot, so I'll forgive her for that.

I wonder to what extent are the Phase-Connect "inmates are running the asylum" rrats true.

Many times I've heard the rrat that early Phase-Connect was aiming to be in the same "seiso-oriented, risk-averse" niche as Hololive. Which was very much not going to happen after it turned out that their Gen 1 talent is basically all menheras, capable of putting out more yab in a stream than a Holo girl does in a year - and more than willing to demonstrate.

The rrat goes that this management-talent conflict culminated in an epic tard wrangling showdown - and tards wrangled the management into submission.

Is there anything known about Phase management at all? Seems like it's very "hands off" now, and the only non-talent public figure the entire corpo has is Sakana, the CEO. Who's treated as more of a meme than even Yagoo is.

>>55502715
The gamer chair sale was a fucking disaster, hilarious but bad PR

>>55499230
>huge investment into pushing for 3d and idol concert
I thought that shit was crowdfunded?

>>55504026
Her new model looks like a stoned alien in a wig such a fucking downgrade

>>55496994
>dead
>dead
>doing decently
>somehow not dead
>would be better off dead
Nice legacy you got there

>>55504151
I don't watch phase anymore since pippa feet, but muumi , I think is how her name is spelled , is also a manager and has a vtuber model that was suppose to be tenma originally

>>55496994
I don't know, I dropped phase for idol and now watch a few PixelLink girls tooi

I blame Vera for everything

>>55500827
>The other 4 became one of the strongest units in vtubing
that is an interesting way to say
>the all audition and get hired by an IDOL COMPANY that does IDOL THINGS
>they knew at the time of being hired the companies ambition was 3d Idol concerts
>they were all 100% on board with it and were all hired
>fast forward 6 months
>known wvt sister Sava Safari flops hard
>blames management for not supporting her
>convinces the other 3 dimwits that Kawaii isn't supporting them and they are better off alone
>make unreasonable demands to Kawaii
>big evil bad guys Kawaii match the demands
>quit any
what is Sava up to now? Is she the big time 3view she thinks she should be?

>>55504223
They got around $100k from the kickstarter but I'm sure they spent much more than that for the 3d + concert. It was casual + idol outfit for each girl for 7 girls. The 3d models are all decent as well. 3d aren't done to that degree except the big leagues and holo/niji/vshojo probably can easily pull 100k in a week from standard dono.

>>55504436
>>55504517
Phase is dying, sad to see.

>>55504748
They are mostly 2view talents now. No other corpo even collabs with Phase anymore they have been blacklisted for the last 2 months

>>55504223
It was all crowd funded yeah, I would class Kawaii's management as malicious through incompetence. Even recently management decided to remove an old graduate's content out of the blue without saying anything, right around the time Nene had reacted to something about the graduate which caused everyone to throw flak her way thinking she demanded the content be removed.
She only just got around to addressing it recently, so either management were aware and didn't address it or management weren't aware at all meaning they have so little awareness that it's up to the talents to deal with shit.

>>55504637
She wasn't even that bad number wise in Kawaii. She went from a 1-2 view as an indie to a solid low consistent 3 views while in Kawaii despite of her frequent breaks. She was unhappy that she wasn't already mid 3 views like her idol EN friend Yuko but idol EN has much deeper pocket to dump into ads compared to kawaii. EIEN had a debut jump to go low mid 3 views but stabilize into low 3 views nowaday as well. As someone who liked and watched Sava, it was dishearten to see her being such a numberfag and don't care about the fans who she already had. She could have fought management many other way but she chose to organize a "streaming strike" which just hurt her fans who were worrying about her sudden disappearance and radio silence.

>>55504748
I got bored if the mentally ill based routine. That's all they got going for them. other than that I can just watch one of the other bazillion vtubers and get the same amount of entertainment.

>>55504637
>IDOL company
>Slutposting
>Graduation baits
>Mocks it when other big vtubers graduate too
>Grifts constantly
>Bitches about people in every stream
>Idol
wvt sisters are terrible but this nets you a whew lad.

>>55502337
>>55503534
Yeah, that compilation of them talking shit about Lumi is looks a lot less indicting once you add the context that Lumi herself was trying to set them up against one another for some godforsaken woman reason that only Lumi understands. It doesn't matter that Hylo's responses were excluded, even if she had been onboard with Lumi's shit talking and gloating, it doesn't change the fact Lumi wasn't a very good person at that point. I'd say maybe she changed, but based on the recent April fools joke where she made fun of everyone at CL using their models without permission (in other words, a joke done in bad faith), I sincerely doubt it.

>>55504277
Yeah, I remember seeing it some time ago, what a shame, what a waste, I hate vtubing.

>>55505328
forgot my pic related, I was distracted by how borderline hentai her design is

>>55504637
Aletta might be the biggest rube in all of vtubing. She gave it all away to follow a 2view.

>>55504748
>>55505324
Defectors aside, even as the shining diamond in the rough, they're still pretty irrelevant outside of Pippa and the EN "sad girl" cliche (who hardly pull in as much traction as they did before). Hell, there's several indies who are more successful than all of their JPs . Sad to see, but we reap what we sow in this saturated industry

>>55504187
It really made its way around too which is the bad part, even some Holo members mentioned not selling their chair

>>55505337
>It doesn't matter that Hylo's responses were excluded
Are you retarded? You’re saying that if Hylo posted her replies and turned out to be on board with Lumi’s numberfagging or even worse, she’d still have the support of her twitter friends? Obviously she left out her own replies for a reason anon, don’t be ridiculous.

>>55505438
Sava said "I am leaving and if you 3 don't follow me I am killing myself" I was friends with Gezu years ago and she has done this a few times before to get her way.

>>55505413
> Noooooooooo not the hecking thumbnail and stream title
> this is considered "borderline hentai"
Who cares about that if the content and solid and clean. Nene did say that she just do it for algo and she doesn't mean to intentionally clash with some graduation announcement she wasn't aware of. Miori Celesta had also said the same thing about having to work the algo with short and clickbait thumbnail/title even if she doesn't want to have that sort of contents on stream.

>>55505589
The rrat about chair wouldn't be so believable, if she didn't have a history of hating on unicorns and having a date with her bf/husband during subathon, and lying literally about stupidest shit.

>>55505649
Nta, but it doesn't matter for OUR purposes. We just wanna know if Lumi is a bad person. And those messages are a bad look for Lumi, and I don't think there is anything Hylo could've said in her own messages that would make Lumi look any better. There are 2 possible situations:
1. Lumi was gossipping on her own.
2. Both Lumi and Hylo were gossipping together.
Either way, Lumi looks bad.

>>55505697
>who cares about that if the content is solid
>solid
>intentionally shitting up YT with sewage
>hee hee guys it's just for the "algorithm"
>solid
The mind of a cucktomo, may God help you all

>>55505453
>they're still pretty irrelevant outside of pippa
This is very true, I was urufugang for a while, but I honestly can't remember anything significant from her streams outside of her hating any and all physical contact so much so that she had a panic attack when a guy held her hand while they were dating in middle (?) school. And uruka told that story last year I think

>>55505964
YT algo is already sewage anon. That's the point.

>>55505697
>Who cares about that if the content and solid and clean
Except it isn't though, I tried to give her a chance multiple times and beyond her stupid donkey laugh and soft way of speaking she's constantly bitching about someone or something going on. Like 90% of her actual content is just negativity or mood-breaking self-awareness, she's not a nice person she just sounds like one.

>>55506140
Sound like you don't even watch her and only watch timestamp by drama fags but that's okay I guess.

55506140
90% of nene posting is done by this one mind broken anti schizo. Don't take your impressions from him, anons.

>>55503884
based, sounds like my oshi

>>55506075
>>55506291
>It's okay to voluntarily be shit bc the platform is shit
>I'll just groom all of my sad pathetic followers into lapping it up while roping in more cum-brained retards simultaneously
>Make more mommy-fag GFE garbage including $2 ASMR with shit equipment from when I debuted and lukewarm "gaming" and karaoke
>Then I'll go cry victim on the Internet the moment something doesn't go my way
I already disliked her, but if this is the average standards of a modern kawaiifag, you're all a plague who needs to be eliminated
>>55506328
Would explain the constant flood of Nene threads to absolutely nobody

>>55505918
Hylo noticeably softened up on Lumi in her second tweet when she posted the dms.
>lumi is a very very hardworking person with lots of love and drive for what she does and ill never deny that
Why would she say the above after her first tweet included a 4chan post that basically painted Lumi as the embodiment of evil and accused her of doxxing?
Hylo’s follow up tweet to support these accusations is a screenshot of potentially cherry-picked, out of context dms that only really touch on one part of her original accusations. Leaving out her own replies and additional context is stupid at best and intentionally disingenuous at worst.

>>55506494
Sound like you are just mad at Nene for being one of the "parasocial" vtuber then.

>>55505782
>Goes out of her way to bait the kind of audience she hates
>Winds up being a side-dish for Yuko's fans

>>55505918
>And those messages are a bad look for Lumi, and I don't think there is anything Hylo could've said in her own messages that would make Lumi look any better.
So if Hylo or Lumi posted the full logs and it was revealed Hylo initiated the gossiping and shit talking and Lumi merely played along you don’t think that would make Hylo look worse and make Lumi look any better?

>>55504987
If you think that responding to /vt/ rrats is a good idea, then you'd be even worse than kawaii's management. She only said something because she got triggered by a containment breaker

>>55507221
It was said on her stream chat. She didn't just randomly bring it up.

>>55506900
>>55506576
The general story goes that Lumi tried her best to keep things together from day 1 by working with their underaged manager, which made the other 4 gen 1's not like her. She's even said that Pandora and Seina were a unit, as well as Hylo and Yuri. In her mind she probably gossiped with each of them to keep them happy to keep them together, rather than trying to drive them to graduating. Lumi to this day denies doing anything wrong and has never responded to any CL bait on twitter or streams, and even cried about people not trusting her intentions. The fact that she's never leaked any of the drama herself as well, while the other 9 have been trying to tear her down incessantly to me speaks more about Lumi being the bigger person, than any of the others being real victims.

>>55506494
> mommy- GFE
> shit equipment
Lol good to know you don't even watch Nene.

>>55507630
NTA but Nene's asmr is good but one of the most stagnant

>>55507746
Valid complaint. The ASMR gaming series she's had is a bit more fresh and extremely comfy.

>>55507875
Sadly I hate keyboard noises so that wouldn't be for me but thats clever on her part forcing the coomers to pay attention to her gaming

>>55507746
She does A LOT of them over 2 + years so it does end up recycling/repeating contents sometimes.

>>55503631
The only proper rating system

>>55504987
> I would class Kawaii's management as malicious through incompetence.
I'll throw a legit bone to Kawaii antis. Management has their fingers in their ears about the value of the yen vs USD. They raised prices 42% for no benefit to fans when moving from fanbox to patreon. Meanwhile they use fantasy pricing for internally budgeting for the girls.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=_Wq54d

About 2 hours 18 minutes in here.

>>55508460
https://youtube.com/watch?v=_Wq54dLArPQ

>>55508460
I dont want to spread rats because this is just a "i heard" thing but did something happened to their 3D? Something about the software being defunct?

>>55502633
Don’t fall for these types of victim baiting. If she had really wanted to put it behind her, why come back after having graduated just to try to cancel Lumi? All the shit she presents are either extremely one-sided, or out of context, or using a fucking 4fhan rrat as proof. Hulo is a vengeful bitch, along with pandora, emma and yoki. They will try at every turn to cancel lumi and phase. But because of their ugly backstabbing chat had been long exposed before, their attempts never worked. People instead turn on them. They then try to up-play the victim card like you see happen here, most of the time even completely unprompted. They have this holy fucking crusade to cancel lumi over I guess what’s in the screenshot?? Here’s some things to consider before believing everything these bitches say at face value:

Why only post one sided DM out of context? Let’s see how she responded to Lumi. She was probably in on it and might even have been the one who instigated the conversation.

Inability to provide a single shred of proof outside of out of context screenshots that can be easily faked about literally any one of their claims.

Overwhelming evidence of them shit talking lumi behind her back.

Overwhelming evidence that their cult leader was a whore who slept with fans.

Got caught lying red-handed about communicating with Phase management and Lumi to solve the model issue. Tried to cancel, but came off as vengeful petty bitches.

Obvious malicious intent to cancel lumi when coming out of graduation to simply shit on Lumi unprompted. And coordinating together to cancel Lumi on twitter.

Carries personal vendetta to new found corpor job and preemptively blocks Pippa and probably rest of phase out of pure spite. Then proceeds to play the victim when people found out.

>>55508800
I'd love to see some of this overwhelming evidence. Only thing that I ever see get posted is the same weak discord screenshot.

>>55508800
I don't understand why blocking someone is suddenly such a bad thing, nobody would've been affected if Pippa hadn't decided to make a whole dramabait stream about it.

I have seen enough and know enough that everybody involved with Cyberlive is a no good whore from Lumi to Hylo to Yuri to Menace to Vera

>>55505661
Proof?
Not about the previous times, just the current one.

>>55509017
Multiple screenshots of different CL talents involved. And chatlog/screenshot of Yoki being completely fine in lumi’s chat and then joining the holy crusade against lumi on the same day. And completely unprompted attacks, victimized attacks on Lumi over and over. Lumi has not spoken or talked to them for at least a year and they are still going strong. Shows you their malicious intentions very very clearly

>>55509119
what amazes me is Lia from Phase Connect was originally hired by Unity (CyberLive) to play Yuri and she backed the fuck out once she did some due diligence. How did she know and all these other dumb mother fuckers didn't?

>>55505977
Outside of Pippa and Tenma, the EN are generic white egirl archetypes you can locate on twitch and the JP are....ya know, irrelevant. Much to the point where I can't even comment on them. People seriously need to understand, phase isn't "good" it's just the *least worst*.

>>55509072
What’s dramabaity about it? She’s just saying a well known browser blocked her and did a review stream on the said browser. Not everything is about drama and not everything is about pandora. Pippa probably didn’t even know who the fuck pandora was.

>>55509338
Can you post these screenshots? This: >>55502337 is the only one I've ever seen.

>>55504987
>which caused everyone to throw flak her way thinking she demanded the content be removed
Nobody cares about that except for hana schizo, which is probably hana herself.

>>55509472
Tenma is generic ESL shit. There is a reason why she is about to be passed by Shiina.

>>55509472
In other words you don’t watch anyone else and don’t know enough ti comment.

>>55509017
Well the discord leak is evidence they shit talked Lumi behind her back. We just don’t know the context behind what triggered it.
We also know for a fact that Vera Vee did in fact dox the girls and sleep with paypigs and people from her discord.
Hylo also is reigniting old drama for no reason which is never really indicative of being a well meaning individual.
As for the OperaGX stuff, Pippa was likely hit by an automated mass blocklist like many others have claimed to be hit by, so it’s a nothingburger Pippa turned into clickbait stream content.

>>55509490
The title of her stream was and still is "I Was Banned by Opera GX".
>banned
She wasn't banned from shit, she was blocked, and getting blocked by an official account is nothing compared to getting banned from a browser. How is that not dramabaity?

>>55496994
Cant believe the pippa corp is the only one with a future what the fuck

>>55509697
>streamer makes clickbait stream title poking fun at known shitposting company twitter account
I’m sure the OperaGX account was horrified at the bad publicity they were getting.

>>55509564
Care to elaborate then? Why would I when they're more than likely the exact same as they were months ago when I took a look at them? Don't start coping (and no I'm not saying P*ppa is any "better", she arguably got worse from when she started, she's just one of popular faces associated with PC)
>>55509526
>"generic ESL" is getting passed up in numbers
That just proves my point even further of how overrated they are

>>55509497
Yoki was in chat during Lumi’s April Fools stream when she showed the old Cyberlive girls’s models on stream. Yoki sent a few messages saying “hi Lumi” and a smiley face/emote or something. Then after the stream Yoki made a tweet with the other girls calling Lumi out for using their models on stream. It just seems kind of silly to be laughing about it in twitch chat one minute and then trying to cancel the person the next.
I don’t have the screenshot of Yoki’s twitch chat message but I’m sure it’s in the archive, I remember seeing it posted before

Phase Connect is great, Tenma and Panko are peak comedy

>>55510637
I love ESL girls

>>55510637
I like Tenma, but Panko has always been boring to me.

>>55509526
Tenma is the only one of the big phases to actually be any good.

>>55510439
This also happened while Lumi was still mid stream. So they made no attempt to contact Lumi or Phase in general to solve the issue. The call out was coordinated and was an attempt to cancel Lumi on the spot. Hylo had the audacity to send a paragraph DM to lumi while she was streaming knowing that the DM wouldn't go through and used it as "proof" that she had tried. She was later BTFO'ed by even people on twitter at her sorry attempt.

>>55511248
There is only 1 "big phases": Pippa.

>>55497737
It’s funny how true this is.

>>55508460
>Meanwhile they use fantasy pricing for internally budgeting for the girls.
If you are talking about the kawaii point system that is a good system and everyone in kawaii likes it.

>>55511628
Big phase is them being big in relation to being phase, not just big.

>>55509600
Ty for context, will have to dig into the Vera Vee stuff a bit cos I know nothing about it and it sounds fucking insane. Discord bickering just seems like a both sides thing and a bit of a nothing burger imo. Agree that Hylo stirring shit on twitter is off and seems very unecessary. Even if Lumi is a shitty person or whatever trying to cancel her over basically nothing is a lot worse.

>>55510439
I have seen this one, kinda weird on Yoki's part for sure, although I do think Lumi shouldn't really have used the models without permission like that.

>>55511747
No. Watch the video. I posted a working link on the next post. Management uses 100:1 USD pricing for budgeting for the girls when that is not the case in reality.

>>55497706
>Tsunderia
>(male gen sank the company)
Retard alert

>>55500064
Emma hates Lumi. All of them do because Lumi is a whore.

>>55511849
No, even in that case it is still just Pippa.
Pippa is 3x bigger than Tenma.
Pippa hasn't done a ccv as low as Tenma's highest in almost a year.

>>55508460
>Meanwhile they use fantasy pricing for internally budgeting for the girls.
POINT SYSTEM BAD
MERITOCRACY BAD
EQUITY GOOD

>>55511866
Yeah it was really retarded of Lumi to use the models on stream I agree, the whole cancel attempt after just seemed a bit overblown in my opinion.

Here’s some info about the Vera Vee situation of you wanted to read it.
https://twitter.com/vtubercringe/status/1585883330813513728
https://twitter.com/vtubercringe/status/1585883336710713353

>>55496994
>phase connect
>original
Go back

>>55511071
If you watched her in her first months and stopped, then you're right, but she's fun now. She improved a lot.

>>55512228
Again, it's not the Kawaii points system. It's not accounting for the difference in yen and USD.

Basically, I'm saying it seems like the chuubas are being shortchanged on their internal budgeting, spent on things like outfits and skews. At the same time fans are being milked by the direct transfer of prices from Yen to dollars going from fanbox to patreon

>>55512450
nah she is boring and generic. It often feels like people are overhyping her as an inside joke.
there is a reason why she never gets asked to do sponsor stuff. she is just there and doesn't stand out.

>>55511866
The vera logs are somewhere in the archive, but she was basically caught actively edating 7 or 8 of her biggest paypiggies, flying out to them and lying to her audience about her trips being for work. One of the paypigs got fed up and exposed her, also sharing screenshots of her doxxing the Gen 2 talents that chose to stay on with her as manager.

All of the blame got put on Lumi though. Wonder why.

>>55512538
*skebs
fucking autocorrect

>>55512450
I tried her recently.

>>55512189
I'm not certain why you're wanting to argue about this. Lia, Shiina, Tenma and Lumi are the other big ones in the company outside of just Pippa. None of them pull Pippa's numbers but they still dwarf the rest like Pippa does to them, people have already brought those ones up earlier in the thread in such context.

>>55512275
Where were the truly originals?

>>55512032
That's just Weina speculation and she's a bit of an airhead.
Management probably just want to raise the price and take the chance of the switch from fanbox to patreon to do it. They probably want to make up for the budget loss from gen 3 bailing out but they aren't going to straight up say that. Beside, fanbox/patreon is an optional thing, just like dono. Kawaii is probably messing with the price to min max the supply/demand for it, especially for reward items that are personalized. It doesn't really affect me or most viewers because you don't have to be in patreon to enjoy 99% of the things the girl offer anyway

>>55512552
The tweets in this post show a lot of the Vera logs and testimonies from the dudes she fucked
>>55512267

>>55502715
>>55502952
They literally said on their first statement to wait for further information (probably due to legal shit) and people were spreading serious rumors like them having a non compete because Riifu heavily implied they did. There were several rumors that they had to clear up on top of the statement that they promised.

>>55512673
definitely not ones that just happened last year

>>55512669
nta but I had no idea there was even anybody else in phase connect besides until I started seeing lia from phase connect in the catalog

>>55512550
What sponsorship do the others have? Mahjong? Panko fucking hates that shit.

>>55512817
I always find it funny that Lumi is accused of being a whore and a doxxer without a shred of proof, but even after they found out who actually doxxed them with screenshots, the CL tribe still blames Lumi. It's either some insane coping mechanism for having their information leaked or pure next level woman moment. As far as we know, to this day not a single identity of any former CL talent has been leaked to /here/ or anywhere else, besides to Vera's paypiggy fuck toys.

>>55500064
>
As a longtime Prism fan, Luto going on repeated lengthy hiatus cratered the company’s virality. She was their Pippa (not quite as powerful but comparable role) until she took an entire year on-again-off-again working a normie job and having real life shit. Shiki had a ton of momentum at debut (gen3 was the prism golden age) but has mostly failed to keep that going. She got a record deal though which is pretty significant for small corpos
Yes that's what I meant. I lay that lack of motivation squarely at their feet and not hers because 90 out of 100 times a female vtuber with momentum will choose vtubing regardless of real life career if motivated.
>>55500151
Tenma.
Pippa.
Ember.
Shiina.
Dizzy/Slugma
Airi used to but got murdered by having to work a real job for the visa.
Lia holds 500 on zatsus now and then.

>>55512860
Both sides look bad there. A fucking steam account would not be worth graduating over. We'll likely never know the full truth unless eien goes belly up and the lawyers are all gone

>>55501305
Sucks that they got this skin and the Minecraft server up right before she decided to leave

>>55496994
all btfo by Idol corp... amazing

>>55512975
>Genshin = Lumi
>Honkai = Lia
>Arknights = Tenma
>Azur Lane = Pippa
>War Ships = a bunch of them
>Mahjong 1 = Pippa, Tenma, Lia, Airi
>Mahjong 2 = everybody but her

>>55512267
>>55512552
>>55512817
Appreciate it, I'll definitely look more into this stuff when I have time.

>>55513330
>Gen 1s or mahjong chinks
Weak bait

>>55496994

>>55513194
guess the 4 ccvs.
the options are Tenma, Shiina, Lia, and Ember

>>55496994
nothing

>>55512550
didn't think it was possible for someone to anti panko but here we are

>>55513656
Tenma, Lia, Shiina, Ember in that order

>>55496994
Tsunderia is doing better than ever, despite the corpo dying.

>>55513656
Tenma Ember Shiina Lia

>>55513194
>regularly
>ember
>dizzy
>shiina
no they don't

>>55513194
Ember, Shiina and Dizzy don't break 500 regularly.
Airi never did, she was always around 350CCV (on good days).

>>55513886
Tsunderia IS dead anon, their talents are now indies. The only ones doing good are Lisa and Miori, but still, the agency is dead.

>>55513194
Tenma is usually 600+ YT
Shiina & Lia are in the 350-500 range, but both of them can pop huge ratings with certain streams (Shiina handcams; Lia zatsus)
Ember/Dizzy should do better than they are considering they are new and have gotten the big advertising push

>>55514386
I would consider regularly as once or twice a week. They all can do that. having a 500+ avg means they hit it all the time.

>>55496994
Invest in an exhibit.

>>55514546
Anon, Tsunderia is the chuubas. I know the corpo is dead, because I just said that. Tsunderia lives on.

>>55514546
Also those two are not the only ones doing good. What metric are you going by?

This thread reads like half the posters are current or former members of the corps being discussed, here to seethe about other current and former members of the corps in question. The other half is indies who failed auditions, here for the same reason.

>>55515419
Ember is doing good in Phase now and Dizzy the former manager is too

>>55515501
I shouldn't have replied to you.

>>55514751
So Panko and Jelly can do that regularly too.
Panko had a 700 CCV stream the other day and a 500 CCV one a few days later. Jelly's karaoke also reached 500+ this week.

>>55500151
Numberfag monthly provides. Median peak (red) and mean peak (blue)

>>55515741
700 ccv is the literal highest she has ever had in her year career + it was partially raided. Jelly's was also a career high but she is in the death timeslot

>>55515719
I can't read

>>55515822
Grim. With all the advertising they did, they should be doing 25-50% more.

>>55515822
>monthyl
anon it has been 7 days
what is july?

>>55516096
The pic is from the end of July chart.

>>55515822
these look very inflated. Uruka in the 400 is extremely sus any time I watch her she is in the 200-low 300

>>55516247
As mentioned it takes the median/mean for peaks, since anon asked for "breaking" 500.
Average is much worse across the board. Only Pippa and Shiina make it.

>>55515822
>>55516247
>peak
lmao
AVERAGE. Now provide the MEDIAN.

>>55516580

>>55516519

>>55515822
Lumi on twitch averages around 700 iirc

>>55516721
>twitch
She has been streaming on YT every day for 2 months now. She is a good case study of how either YT culls 1.5x the numbers or Twitch bots 1.5x the numbers.

>>55516838
That or her main following is on Twitch. Youtube is for low viewership games like Baldur's Gate 2 and baby shit. Her Adventures of Lumi series on YouTube that has actual effort put in regularly pulls 4-500.

>>55516519
yes but show me the medians. I'd like to see. i presume that info is available from the same source.

>>55509472
But the only white girls in phase is Pippa, Lumi and if you are generous, Panko. Plus you clearly have not seen the Jelly autismo. Made me almost believe the rrat that your favourite chuuba is just a male with a voice changer.

>>55517109
I'm not editing things again. Have the whole thing, my dude.

>>55511071
So Gura is also boring while being the top 1 chuuba? Panko is basically Gura but angry, bratty, and based.
It's not an attack, just trying to understand your taste.

>>55517299
You really think Panko is like Gura? If she was she'd have larger numbers. You're delusional.

I thought of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySX_wRA2bhM
while reading this thread
>>55498220
>>55501296
>>55502337

>>55517522
Yes, I think they're quite similar, Panko is just a little more menhera because she doesn't have it as easy as her. If Panko debuted in 2020 she'd be way bigger now.
Just bad timing and a personality that is not easy to understand unless you sit there and watch at least a couple streams, just like Gura.

>>55517522
>JP Blues Clues debuts in Hololive for instant 5view
>Sat at 2view status for years with dying channels, after being dropped by their previous corpo
Nice comparison, anon. Look outside of the holo bubble once in a while.

>>55517242
ty
So I would say Pippa, Tenma, Lia, Shiina all regularly break 500 I will give allowance because some of those just miss a 500 avg for the month.

>original small corpos
>started in 2021
ITT: OP believes Persona starts at 3.

>>55518323
Obviously OP is talking about EN corpos. So please be my guest and enlighten me as to what small EN corpos started before these ones.

>ctrl f lumi
>93 results
subtle, Lumi, very subtle

>>55517930
I don't agree.
>>55517956
I looked outside the bubble? I watched her and I didn't bring up Gura.

>>55501065
>Zero talent period.
Someone isn't familiar with idol Endless then.

>>55518323
Yeah? Sometimes franchises choose to start with weird numbers for whatever reason. Fallout starts at 3 and nobody complains.

>>55518867
Idol endless has a fat chuuba so it doesn't count

>>55498166
that pic is so funny to look at

>>55520953
Some retard that didn't watch any of them made it.

>>55504960
I always hear that but they just collabed with idol, Lia's collabing with tons of different corpos, pippa said she's setting up a mahjong collab with henya and they're about to start the mahjong soul event which probably means that the AL collab isn't too far behind, what blacklisting are you even on about ?

>>55522416
it's a joke
Lia is literally gonna collab with Pomu Rainpuff soon (unless Pomu flakes, but she name dropped it on stream so that is just a matter of getting a date)
Phase is breaking thru and collabing with the #1 girl in Niji.

>>55522924
>with the #1 girl in Niji.
T-There's an Enna collab in the works!?

>>55509472
You've never watched any of them then, it's fine, but you can't watch them and actually think that, especially when you contrast the 3 branches

>>55517242
>this time last year Phase had 3 chuubas who avg 300ccv
>they now have 11
>none of them have really gone viral and they don't get a lot of advertisement (especially their gen1)
this is what natural growth looks like

>>55505391
>>55504277
I miss her temp model.

>>55509697
What's with all you guys getting so mad over that stream ? Yeah the corpo blocked pippa and was on twitter going on anti loli tirades and lying, shouldn't she milk it ? She repeatly said she wasn't going after their predebut aura and no she didn't get any harrassement or said anything about it, is there some new rule saying you can't clown on someone that's never going to sponsor you ?

>>55507586
she cried addressing CL rrats during elden ring streams

>>55509842
She appealed to a starved audience, handled herself pretty well when she got the growth and has helped the other talents grow, she's been surprisingly good compared to most others

>>55524054
>has helped the other talents grow
the talents have grown on their own hard work

>>55504277
I just realized the reason why her model is so ugly is because she's a normalfag who knows nothing about anime

>>55523747
name?

>>55524038
Here’s that clip if anyone wanted it.
https://files.catbox.moe/n6uvqw.mp4

>>55504277
The ponytail version actually looks good. Still kinda plain, design-wise, but at least it's hot. Definitely as ugly as the main version.
Too bad she only uses it about half the time tho. I wish she would just use the ponytail version exclusively.

>>55525077
Should I trust crying Lumi

>>55525517 (me)
Definitely NOT as ugly***

>>55525517
still worse than Oceane

>>55525687
Yeah, fair enough. I'm partial to long hair, so that's an improvement for me (at least on the ponytail version), but the rest of Oceane's design was wayyy better.

>>55525530
Why wouldn’t you?

>>55525077
Lumi is a sociopath, I don't trust a single word this woman says

>>55525903
Women tend to cry to get away with bad things

>>55515741
Also people forget that panko and jelly stream during EU hours, they only get to pick up lumi and pippa fans from outside NA and still do a pretty good job for a corpo that's not very known at all outside of that market

black company

>>55526020
Your loss
>>55526029
Everybody has a breaking point

>>55526059
Jelly streams in the worst timeslot.
Panko streams ina. gerat timeslot. Tenma and Ember do much better than her because they are better chuubas.

Pippa fans only care about Pippa.

>>55525517
>>55525687
Ocean > neko > ponytail > main

>>55526341
Ember doesn't stream on the same timeslot and Tenma is a gen 1, problem with panko was her sending most of her first year completely lost and not knowing what to do, she's finally started to accept that she's better doing zatsu and having more chat interaction and has dropped the streamer games which has give her a big boost

>>55527346
>tenma is a gen1
So? That makes it harder. Gen1 doesn't get advertisement like gen2 & invaders do + has had to survive the waves on new gens. Gen3 will be the 4th wave of new talent gen 1 will have withstood. I have seen more Panko ads than I have seen Pippa, Tenma, Lia or Uruka.

Panko has a weak zatsu and she has one of the weaker ccvs in the company to match. >>55518152

Nobody cares about Panko unless she is lewd batiing. If her career ended tomorrow, her lone highlight is a hentai tag stream from 9 months ago,

>>55522924
Lia's really been on a roll lately with the big collabs, I'm kind of sad that it's shiina that got to 100k before her, she really deserves it even if I like shiina, especially since it was getting incredibly lucky with shorts, can't wait for the pomu and the scott cawthon collab she's hinted at a few times, she's really doing the work

>>55528419
>I'm kind of sad
Why? Don't be sad.
Subs are a shorts lotto now. Lia has grown with no real help from algo. All of her videos and shorts are modest. Nothing even remotely min-viral.
She has grown the old fashion way. When she gets 100k and gets that $5 plaque, it will be a truly earned thing she can be proud of because it didnt come easy. She didn't just wake up one day with 25k extra subs and she didn't start in a company that had a base fanbase of 15k subs head start like Gen2/Invaders.
Shiina works hard and I'm happy for her too. Lia just needs to run her race.

>>55528279
Why do you anti? honest inquire.