/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>I can't handle the loli voices ooooh the loli voices!
>Can anyone understand them? I can't understand a thing they're saying!
I'm loving it.

>>55490093
The reaction when they played Nobeta was extremely telling when some people were like "ew they are playing the game pedos like" or some shit. Tourists outing themselves like never before, love to see it

>>55490012
This.

ywnbj

>>55490012
>The twins are finally healing the community and gatekeeping all the ironic weebs.
>highest mass appeal of all Advents
Absurd cope.

>>55490531
If they could become Japanese, so can I.

You guys gotta check out Cookieswirl, you’re really missing out

>>55490689
no thanks. not interested in indie.

>>55490012
Pretty much. A lot of people showing their ass on here over them lately.

>>55490586
>ignoring all the people complaining about them

Them being the biggest in their group is more telling of the fact that these people complaining are proven yet again to be the vocal minority just like the homobeggers. Hololive is and always will be primarily made up of people who enjoy cute anime girls doing cute things.

>>55490012
These girls will floyd Myth group when they collab purely because of the kayfabe gap.

>>55490689
I'll check her out when she joins Hololive.

>>55490689
The number of underaged posters making this comparison is proof that we need better age filters on this site.

>>55490012
I'll just watch real JP instead

>>55490689
Honestly surprised she hasn't gotten into Hololive, especially given that her and Gura's roommate practically started with the same content and now maintain the cute anime girl image.

>>55491296
>Drop a 20m sub account to get a 300k sub account
She'd be retarded to go corpo.

>>55490012
If this is what the JP's are actually like then I'm glad I never did my reps to get into them.

>Watch every FuwaMoco stream
>Have a big smile on my face the whole time
>Stream ends, immediately sink back into depression

Sometimes I wonder if vtubers are modern day sirens and I'm being distracted from some external force wearing me down.

>>55491492
Carry that happiness they give you throughout the day. It's all you can do in this hopeless world.

>>55491351
Her channel is severely inflated, like her Twitter doesn't even have 100k followers lol.

>>55491351
Was wondering how she got 20 mill subs but she plays roblox so I understand now

>>55491492
Its the age old "keep the masses just barely entertained/occupied so they don't step out of line."

>>55490689
>Goddess tier kayfabe and model stuck chasing the dream of YT Kids money
Man, you always assume it's the 2views who need to be saved, turns out anyone can get locked into a rut.

>>55490012
Their voices filter me. I like my chuubas to sound like Towa-sama and Suisei and I don't get why dog fuckers get so ass-blasted when I don't want to watch them for that reason. Not everyone likes a mumbling cacophony of high-pitched noises.

>>55490969
I actually don’t really mind fuwamoco that much, they’re pretty fun from the small amount i’ve seen, but the way /vt/ describes them makes them sound wholly uninteresting to anyone over the age of 6. Just feels like everyone here is so mindbroken by council and tempus that they’re grabbing their bibs and pacifiers to go play peekaboo with an anime girl just to escape any perceived drama drama.

>>55492000
Once again anon, your posting style is very recognizable and you should refrain from posting the same exact take in every single FWMC thread.

>>55490689
No

>>55492000
Or, and listen closely here, people just happen to enjoy this type of content because just like OP said it is the closest thing EN has gotten to CGDCT that we have.

You're wrong kiddo. Watching Fuwamoco is like watching dubbed anime. That's why they sound so cringe.

I'd take Miko or Luna over them any day of the week.

>>55492047
Or maybe, theres more than one person who holds this opinion on an anonymous forum, fucking crazy I know.

>>55492222
How are Mumei and Fauna not CGDCT? Because they don't speak Japanese? This is a genuine question, I'm not trying to be confrontational.

>>55492519
You said this exact same thing, too. So boring.

>>55490012
HoloEN is for fake weebs

>>55492609
There's several different explanations for this: Roomate stuff that tarnishes the experience, Fauna going on a rant about not being friends, them playing more into GFE stuff rather than being cutesy. Its just not really the same, Gura is more-so the closest to the twins, but even then its just not the same full experience.

>>55492734
>fake weebs
>weebs
Anyone who calls themselves "weebs" are fake to me.

>>55492609
Your gonna get some retarded answers, but what the real reason is is that these people just want to watch anime girls act like toddlers. The people saying the twins are basically Teletubbies/blue's clue etc but anime girls are 100% right, shit is just weird af. Its why localization for JP media often changes so much for English audiences, because most people find this stuff offputting.

fuwamoco feels like i'm being streamed to by beautiful creatures from another world. Also I'm so glad they don't cuss, it's disgusting. Nerissa better work on it. Everyone else is dekinai ironic weebs fuwamoco have unfathomably high power levels due to being hags who actually love what they're into

>>55492786
>Gura is more-so the closest to the twins, but even then its just not the same full experience.
By her own admission no less, not untinged with no small amount of what appears to be wistful regret.

>>55492894
>Unironic localization (aka censorship) defender
Get the fuck out of this hobby you tourist

>>55492609
People that play a CGDCT-type character needs to appear a little bit retarded. The naivety is part of the appeal.

Fauna is a bit too nerdy and Mumei is too aware and falls out of the CGDCT label

>>55493089
He's right you know

>>55493162
Explain why the twins are the most popular in the gen then? If that kind of behavior makes people uncomfortable and "not suitable for EN audiences" they why are they sweeping past the rest of their branch especially compared to the more "normal" members like Shiori and Nerissa?

>>55493301
It's a new gimmick and they got the JP buff, calm your tits and wait till the honeymoon is over.

>>55493301
Popularity doesn't preclude polarisation of opinions.

>>55493301
Probably because 90% of their fans are JP/SEA and Asian diaspora living in NA and Europe. Those people are immune to cringe

>>55493471
I cannot wait for you people to seethe and cope when the twins end up reaching 1 million subs before anyone on council gets there

>>55493642
If this were the case we’d see Kobo level growth. Need the power of cunny to get that

>>55492894
>localization for JP media often changes so much for English audiences
disgusting

>>55493609
But that doesn't refute the main point here though? The fact that they are so popular means that the people who are being vocal against them are just a minority of people

>>55490093
>>Can anyone understand them? I can't understand a thing they're saying!
other than fuwa sometimes talking lower than the BGM, they are easier to understand than mumbling mumei
>>55490254
Didn't IRyS play Nobeta?

>>55491296
Why would she join a group thats smaller than her

>>55493301
en3 has both poles of vtubing. fumamoco on the anime jp end and shiori who is more like vshojo. their fans aren't going to overlap i think. shiori fans are also the type to need to shit on other people.

>>55493618
I'm white, in my 20s, finished college, have a decent job, and proudly declare bau bau.

>>55493755
Congratulations, you are the 10%

>>55493710
IRyS is for true weebs only

>>55493678
They're already almost halfway there and it hasn't even been 1 month, council has been stuck at like 3/4 of the way there for well over a year lol

>>55490012
esl's getting filtered too.

>>55493695
You can have a lot of fans and a lot of antis.

>>55493710
Irys does not really count because she has an image of being a degen, plus she opnely said she likes traps stuff

>>55492786
Gura doesnt kayfabe at all - shes the least similar to to the twins. Shes also the biggest chuuba in the world, take that how you will

>>55492509
if dubbed anime sounded like that I would unironically watch it. I promise.

>>55494099
Isin't Gura's whole stchick playing into the "uwu im a cute loli shark girl" tho? Plus some of the stuff she likes on Twitter is very sus lol

>>55492894
>localization defender
I spit on you

>>55490254
when almost all of chat was spamming ToT while they were spamming people to "calm down" or going "this chat.."

>>55490012
yes now all the faggot tourists, twitter troons and homobegging greyfags can bau the fuck out!

Hololive fans ARE the ironic weebs.
Actual weebs learned japanese ages ago and are following underground idols now.

>>55494595
>Underground idols

You mean people who end up becoming vtubers LOL

>"fuwamoco are cringe"

imagine the kind of poster

>>55494595
So like Fuwamoco?

>>55494252
Whenever the shark stuff comes up she completely half asses it. And its not like she does a "shark voice" for her streams. All signs point to the fact that shes *actually like that* and thats what fans like

>>55494252
lol no

>>55490969
It's funny how many times I've seen it today already. I guess one of the anti discords is absolutely seething about the dogs so they're trying this new tactic.

>>55492894
you're not wrong but most localizations are disguting. that said, as a lolichad this garbage is trash, I like my lolis acting as sluts and not toddlers

They talk too fucking much in collabs

>>55494595
The only underground idol group I follow is Jugs Mafia...

>>55494846
fuwamoco aren't lolis anyway you fucking retard

>>55494991
>"t-technically it's hebephilia in their case"
didn't care
will still fap

>>55494252
What the fuck?

>>55491368
It's not, just bautists cope

Fuwamoco will never hit 4m subs, that's just a fact

>>55494706
I understand why some people call their voices and/or behavior cringe.

I don't agree but I do understand it.

>>55494991
>arent even lolis
>still talk like children
Nice "kayfabe" retards lol

>>55494733
she just dropped the shark shit and made her own character. if you think she is "actually like that" you are stupid.

>>55495356
children don't talk like that. they talk like cute dog girls.

>>55495301
>I understand why some people call their voices and/or behavior cringe.
Yeah because those people are trash getting purged by the BAU BAU filter.

>>55491021
Fuwamoco is Holo JP

>>55495418
I'd bet a million dollars that when Gura turns the stream off she has more or less the same voice, mannerisms, sense of humor etc. Obviously *no one* is their true authentic self on stream but Gura is at least close enough - and fans can tell

chumbuds never cease to make me laugh

>>55495356
To get a cute sound, it will sound childish to reach those cute levels. Look at Bijou for example; it works. People were angry at Gura for the same thing, and she’s successful.

>>55491492
Sometimes I catch myself smiling during the stream and feel bad that I'm happy.

>>55491570
Anon the account is 10 years old and still gets millions of views. I don't think you understand. Her audience doesn't use xwitter. I don't even think they can without getting banned.

I want to like them, I really do. But something about their voices filters me hard.

>>55490012
They are perfect.

>>55496656
BAU BAU

>>55492786
>Fauna going on a rant about not being friends
So we're calling it a rant now? Take your fucking meds.

>>55496656
>Weeb privileges... GONE

>>55496831
tirade then?

>>55491995
Then go watch towa n suisei faggot

>>55497072
Watch streams

>>55497072
stop responding to retards that are angry but have no arguments

>>55491995
>I don't get why dog fuckers get so ass-blasted when I don't want to watch them for that reason
because not liking them just proves you're ironic weeb trash who never should have gotten into vtubers in the first place

>>55498006
Its basically the same type of "fans" who are like "ew loli shit is so gross" yet are within a fandom where many of the people within Hololive itself are open lolicons. Alot of JP games have this same problem, like Fire Emblem for example where some western "fans" will praise the localization of the game for removing/changing certain types of content yet they still ultimately support that content by buying and playing the game anyway.

Are people really angry at them?
Do they know they don't have to watch every tuber in existence or does the thought scare them not to be part of something popular that doesn't cater to them

>>55498246
Its literally just their very existence that makes these people seethe, they don't care that there are a number of other channels to watch; the fact that this type of channel is now within Hololive and shitting up the place in their eyes is good enough to not shut the fuck up about it.

>>55498006
I prefer girls who don't talk like retards. Luna, Miko and Pekora are great because I can't understand them.

>>55498246
>Are people really angry at them?
They're basically projecting their anger that by not liking them/finding them annoying, they've revealed themselves to be ironic weebs who have no business watching vtubers or being part of any vtuber fandom.

>>55498378
>I prefer girls who don't talk like retards
Then just don't watch vtubers, then. Leave.
Nobody is forcing you to stay on this board, hell if your oshi knew you were hating on their kouhai just because you find them "annoying" they'd be disgusted with you.

>>55490689
I can't commit myself to an indie because I don't want to be burned when she graduates out of nowhere

>>55498378
go watch your clips man

>>55498387
>You must be *THIS* retarded to enjoy vtubers
This is the funniest form of gatekeeping imaginable. Please keep it up, anon, you're making the fandom look great!

>>55498448
Nah, I'll stay and shitpost and continue to make you seethe.

>>55498734
>Please keep it up, anon, you're making the fandom look great!
>caring how things look
Back to twitter you go, fake fan.

>>55498734
t. fake fan

>>55498448
>if your oshi knew you were hating on their kouhai just because you find them "annoying" they'd be disgusted with you.
Yes, and fuwamoco would also be disgusted with the people who use them to shit talk all the other members of HoloEN because they’re not “CGDCT” enough, whatever that even means anymore.

>>55498817
>fuwamoco would also be disgusted with the people who use them to shit talk all the other members of HoloEN because they’re not “CGDCT” enough
Nobody is doing that, though, you're attacking a strawman here. The people who are being shit on are the ones not watching fuwamoco because they find them "annoying" or "too childish", they're the ones who are rightfully being called out for not being actual vtuber fans if "JP mannerisms but in English" filters them so hard.

>>55498964
>not watching my oshi is a personal attack on me!

I had to see their roommates. Then I understood… I am shallow. Something about two white girls doing their act doesn’t seem right. But Asians? I enjoy . Maybe I just have yellow fever

>>55499012
>jumps to another strawman right away
damn you sure showed him

>Someone doesn't enjoy watching any other vtuber
>nobody cares
>Someone doesn't enjoy watching the dogs
>FILTERED RETARD SEETHE IRONIC WEEB
I don't get it

>>55498448
>>55498817
Can you both stop pretending to out moral the other person, and in a place like this? It’s weird. >But your oshi hates you, because you are not nice like me! I’m moral faggot!

>>55499157
>I don't get it
It's your own strawman if you don't get it how do you expect us to?

>>55490012
>"Ruffians you have to be nice, and happy, and good to each other"
>proceeds to be the most whiny bitch fanbase harassing anyone that disagrees over barely important details
Not only that but plenty of people watch anime and are bigger weeb/otaku, yet don't watch them because they're way too EN. FuwaMoco are for EOP that want to feel like they're just like the Japanese otaku. They're nice, and pretty good, but it is what it is.

>>55491368
Jps are the real og Hololive. You should check Nijis or even better, twitch e girl streamers.

>>55499068
Twins arent even "JP mannerisms but EN" - the successful JP streamers actually have jokes, not relying on retarded kayfabe. How often does Korone talk about her tail or whatever?

>>55498734
lmao anon living up to his insecurities even online

All weebs are ironic weebs. Liking moe is no different than liking gunpla, you just move the goal post to make your own views seem acceptable.

>>55499214
NTA but I get what he means. Do you want me to explain it for you?

>>55499214
>not even capable of reading the thread hes posting on
Grim

>>55499012
You're missing the point, anon. This board has always had vtubers that, if you don't "get" them, you just don't belong here. Fuwamoco is one of them, if you don't "get it", you probably shouldn't be watching vtubers at all.
Do something else, you'll probably enjoy it more. This hobby just isn't for you if you don't get their appeal.

>>55491368
Japanese people are fucking retarded dawg just look at the kinds of anime & manga that are mega popular lately.

>>55499321
>>55499312
>>55499310
>>55499303
>>55499289
>>55499239
>>55499214
>>55499183
>>55499157
>>55499068
>>55499045
>>55499012
>>55498964
BAU BAU

>>55499157
Any other vtuber
>Someone doesn't like and they move on
Twin dogs
>Complains every day about how cringe they are

What's not to get?

>>55499352
I get it, its just not for me. Plenty of other chuubas i enjoy

>>55499321
You should explain to him first(you). Since he(You) is the one that doesn't understand his(your) own strawman

>>55499312
Originally, it's just hobbies, and groups that keep to themselves for the most part. In the west it is different, all hobbies mashed up together, probably because there is no real homegrown scene and they communities are so small. In the sense that all weebs are ironic, it's only true if you legitimately stick to English only sites and communities. If you engage with the specific hobbies more in their natural setting then you will not care anymore. So only ironic weebs care about filtering or whatever.

>>55499239
Fuwamoco is Holo JP. They would’ve been officially if they lived in Japan, since they had tried out for Holo JP in the past.

>>55490254
>>55494357
Actually, Fuwawa said something clueless, like
>Why are you guys crying? We just started playing!

>>55499352
Holy shit, this whole thread is one big
>we
post

>>55491368
same desu

>>55499465
It's not me. But he's saying that anons are hypocrites. I don't have to be him to understand something that obvious. You're welcome.

>>55490012
>"OMG THEY ARE SO CRINGE"
Literally who is even saying this? Anyone know? Where's this goofy ass, corny ass, faggot ass take even coming from?

>>55499536
How many anti threads have you made today sister?
Are you winning yet?

>>55499498
>Fuwamoco is Holo JP
No they're not. They got rejected. I watch Holo JP and like them, many do and don't like FuwaMoco. Try and make sense of that and still argue they're just like Holo JP, you can't.

Is this the hololive bonus they were fucking boring in their past life

My FuwaMoco image collection is kinda small. Anyone have any favorites they could share?

>>55499437
>I get it, its just not for me
If you actually "got it" you'd be watching them, though. They're the best thing to happen to holoEN pretty much since it started, why would anyone who is an English-speaking "fan" of Hololive willfully miss out on that?

>>55499568
Nijisister latest and most laughable attempt so far to anti them.
They were reasonably sucessful with their non stop shit on shiori, got nerissa community pretty rattled with the doxx, and have been annoying the cunny thread with PL stuff non stop but they can't find something that sticks on the dogs

>>55499593
>They got rejected
They got rejected from EN too.
>not everyone likes Fuwamoco
Not everyone is supposed to

>>55499568
>Literally read this very thread

this is peak /vt/. discussion ends up just being two schizos arguing.

>>55490254
>>55494357
>Don't like "lolicons"
>still find the "uuooh cute and funny' meme hilarious and wanna shitpost along
What do I do?

>>55499645
If you can't see the appeal and preference of cool and beautiful chuubas like Suisei then I actually recommend getting help.

>>55493130
There is another

>>55490254
It's fucking hilarious especially since holo girls voiced characters in that game.

>>55490012
>>55490093
Being weeb has nothing to do with it. I'm a very unironic weeb and weeb-lover (weeb = idolize Japan, weeb-lover = idolize female weebs) I speak JP and some of my favorite EN vtubers are much more weebs than anybody in Hololive.
I can listen to Pekora for hours (and understand more than half of it) but I'll be damned if I can listen to Fuwawa's dumb voice acting for more than 5 minutes. They are not ironic weeb filters, they are neuron-haver filters.

>>55499823
She doesn't "appear" a bit retarded. She is.
STILL WOULD

>>55499645
Im too busy watching chuubas that are actually entertaining

>>55499686
It matters because whoever you're filtering it's not about being weebs or not. There are people that like them that only stick to dubs and HoloEN and people that dislike them and are more immersed in anime or other otaku subcultures and watch HoloJP. Whoever is being filtered includes bigger weebs that most Ruffians.

Here is an example of how someone who just doesn't like a vtuber because they don't appeal to them act and posts:
>I didn't like them as much as X.
>Their voice is just not for me.

Here is how someone who just wants to start shit acts
>Ugh they are so cringy/whorish/weeb who are they even for?
>Are they audience just pedophiles/ironicweebs/twitter/kids?

The difference is clear as day and when someone just starts shitting on other vtubers out of nowhere on /vt/ they ALWAYS have an agenda

>>55491995
It's because instead of talking about the girls you like and moving on, you choose to enter Fuwamoco threads and complain about how much you've been filtered by them.
You're rightfully shit on, then complaining about it because like so many other anons on this board, you actually WANT to be "le oppressed".
tl;dr: fucking kill yourself.

>>55499575
None, I think they're nice and watch them. I don't make anti-threads at all because I'm just not like that, I am quite mild manered and calm about most things. I wish more anons were the same, but we've you you and people like you to disappoint us at the state of the community every day.

What's next? "go back"? I'm unironically in my late 30s and have nowhere to go back to, because you inevitably try the usual no-reponse retorts. Please cheer up and smile, because FuwaMoco wouldn't want you behaving like this either.

>>55490531
no need to when i can get the same experience in English by watching FUWAMOCO

>>55500024
half this board is literally just bau bau spam sometimes

Sweet dose of seethe from reading post itt, I love it
BAU BAU

>>55500228
yeah its great

BAU BAU

>>55490093
All I know is that they're both cute AND funny.

>>55499989
>dubs
You’re basically saying Fuwamoco is Holo JP speaking English. You might not mean to say that, but you actually are. They also speak Japanese a bit, and sing everything in Japanese. And unlike EN dubs, they maintain Japanese mannerisms and such.

>>55500228
Doesn't disprove anything I said. Stick to threads about girls you like, hide/filter the threads that trigger you. Simple as
BAU BAU

>>55500228
BAU BAU

>>55500130
Is this written by ChatGPT or something? At what point did I even give you an impression that I like Fuwamoco?
I don't even watch EN.

>>55500324
dog girl kayfabe is not "japanese mannerisms"
plenty of the ACTUAL holojp sound nothing like them

>>55490689
what the fuck, i checked it out and this is terrible. i guess it helps understand how FWMC haters feel...

i guess part of what makes Fuwamoco's kayfabe enjoyable is there being two of them, so it's less awkward than one person larping into the void. them understanding each other perfectly gives the entire thing way more realism. honestly, its difficult to put into words but thats how i feel.

>>55499806
Yellow zone

>>55500419
>dog girl kayfabe is not "japanese mannerisms"
But that was not what he was talking about at all.
If you actually understand japanese and you're not just larping go read the comments from the nips themselves on their videos or go watch JP chuubas talk about how they actually sound japanese.

>>55500419
It's Japanese sincerity, something that's been missing from EN and western media/entertainment as a whole for a long long time.

>>55500515
hey dude, im not really into kayfabe but if you enjoy it then good for you! glad we can both enjoy hololive even if we favor different talents :)

>>55499809
I never said that, you're attacking a strawman again.
I just pointed out that it's suspicious that anyone who genuinely isn't an ironic weeb wouldn't be watching fuwamoco right now.

>>55495107
Not even Gura would post-Covid

>>55500549
Need to change the pedophile hater thing a bit.
Almost all adults hate pedophiles as they are people preying on the most vulnerable in our society your pedophile hater is those loud faggots that are trying to 2d loli and think lines on paper have human rights. That group of "pedophile haters" should be almost entirely inside the Actual pedophile circle because you're only ever so vocal about something so retarded if you're very internally guilty of something yourself

>>55500593
do the twins really come across as sincere to you? they come across the exact opposite to me - i cant enjoy them because of the fake kayfabe persona thing. no hate to their fans of course

>>55500689
You say that as if Gura would be as notable as Fuwamoco without the COVID buff.
she wouldn't be

>>55500750
What a perfect example of latter group mentioned here >>55500015

>>55500419
>it’s just kayfabe, and not all Holo JP sound identical.
You’re the same guy from before huh? Anyway, it’s not that people think all JP Holos act identical to each other, but that their is a general JP-like aspect (like their mannerisms, voice, language, kayfabe, etc) that all come together (not just any one thing), that most EN streamers aren’t familiar with, or able to produce well, which Fuwamoco produce very well. It sets them apart.

>save Hololive EN

>>55500766
That's exactly what I was saying though? Read again

Ironic weebs are normalfags who only like Demon Slayer, Spy x Family and Jujutsu Kaisen.
Ironic weebs think listening to Miku rap a 50 cent song makes them quirky and unique.
Ironic weebs will use Guts as their profile picture and say things like "Astolfo best girl."
Ironic weebs are still subscribed to Gura and Mori even though they haven't watched either girl in 2.5 years.
Ironic weebs let cunnyfags live rent free in their minds while also sexualizing Pokémon characters.
Ironic weebs are the reason going to conventions stopped being fun over a decade ago.
Ironic weebs pretend to enjoy JP media up until a point, then suddenly turn into rabid xenophobes.
Ironic weebs shame true otaku whenever they can out of jealousy because they can't genuinely enjoy things.

>>55500750
If they don't sound sincere for you you are the one with a problem.
Their PLs and RM stuff is well know and you're going to have to look very hard to find anybody else as sincere as these girls.

>>55500024
based. BAU BAU chads run this place.

>>55500931
You forgot one:
>Ironic weebs are scared of dogs

>>55499645
I really hope this is a shitpost

>>55500931
>Ironic weebs shame true otaku whenever they can out of jealousy because they can't genuinely enjoy things.
I used to be like this. It took years until I stopped being a jaded fuck.
I'm glad I did because now I can appreciate almost all aspects of life better not just weeb stuff.

>>55500958
You really, 100%, unironically believe they talk the same way off stream that they do on-stream? That's what sincerity means - putting your genuine self forward

>>55501023
if you seriously think it is, you're probably exactly the type of ironic weeb that's getting shit on in this thread right now

>>55501101
that's a ridiculous statement, like saying that gura isn't sincere because she mutes her mic to burp and fart

>>55501101
>That's what sincerity means - putting your genuine self forward
Anon why are you discussing anything about idols when you know ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about idols?
I genuinely hope you're trolling me and not this lost here.

>>55501181
That is so extremely different I can only assume that you are retarded

>>55499408
I was saying I like them retard

>>55501256
Not at all.
Why is she hiding those aspects of herself from the viewers instead of putting her true self out there?

>>55501101
You are either a jew, a nigger (which includes pajeets), or a chink. There's no other possibility.

>>55500324
No, HoloJP speaking English is HoloJP speaking English. This is two Canadians trying to speak Engrish. I don't think any genuine fan would be mistaken about that.

>>55500593
It's North-American sincerity. Get it right.

>>55501388
managed the retarded antis like yourself that were saying they were ESL for the first few days
the funny part is you could find out they were leaves before they even debuted if you put in any effort in your anti posting

>>55501388
A Jew then. This is what they sounded like in this PL. A change in your passport papers doesn't change your race or culture.

>>55501103
>PLEASE WATCH MY CHUUBA, IF YOU DON'T LIKE MY CHUUBA THAN YOU MUST BE A FAKE FAN!!!!111
For your own sake I really hope its a shitpost.

>>55500750
>are VTubers actually anime women?
No anon.
>How is that sincere?
Right, because when I was watching movies in the past, I tossed them all in the trash after I finding out they weren’t real.

>>55501223
Wait, not that anon, but what does this have to do with idols? Which idols specifically do you mean? I am curious and giving you the benefit of the doubt that you are not just talking out of your ass.

Be honest anons, is it only here that is seething over them or did the zoomer sites like Tiktok and X make callout posts about them?

What is going on itt?

>>55501101
You're being too literal anon. They've been sincere in their efforts to entertain the fans and be the idols everyone wants them to be. At least so far. Unless you prefer absolutely 'sincere' honesty like Fauna admitting that saplings will never be her friends.

>>55501388
Respond to this: >>55500830

>>55501544
Nijisisters are getting increasingly desperate to find ANYTHING that will stick on the dogs

>>55501327
There is one. It's a w*man, most likely a seething 2view
Or it's a tranny subhuman. I guess that's two other possibilities.

>>55501563
>You're being too literal anon.
He's not even being literal since his definition of sincere is not a dictionary one.
He's being obtuse on purpose because he has no argument left

>>55501563
I do prefer that. I am an adult and I know the computer people I watch in my room are not my actual friends. The same cannot be said for many people here, however.

>>55501544
Some sort of mental illness. Obsession about ironic weebs or something.

YWNBJ

>>55501488
I'm not an anti though. I just know the difference.
>>55501494
No they didn't. They sounded like Canadians doing that typical cutesy voice that will ruin their vocal cords and give them vocal cord nodules. Because it isn't the same way that Japanese voice actors sound like young characters. They weren't able to vocalize everything during their debut either because they were pushing it too hard. Now, when they sing the voice almost vanishes except for just a hint. That is because singing requires your proper vocal range to sound good and hit the notes smoothly when you need to. When a Japanese voice actor sings a song as their anime character they can often still use the exact same voice, because they're using a different technique. What this means is that they're very American/Canadian.

>>55490012
I mainly watch shounen anime and I love fuwamoco. Also, the "big 3" hasn't been a thing for like a decade unless you count Boruto, which I don't.

>>55500931
Weebs - Gaijan that act like they are Japanese. An insult to retards that act weird in public.
Ironic weebs - People who pretend to like otaku hobbies, but only do so at a surface level. Watch/read only the most popular anime and manga. Mostly normal fags hijacking a hobby.
Otaku - Genuinely love anime/manga/Games/VN/LN/etc to an absurd degree. Almost no overlap with normalfags/ironic weebs.

>>55499900
>they are neuron-haver filters
Well that can't be right since my neurons are activating every stream.

>>55501643
Are you the anon who said muting your farts is being insincere but using a fake voice isnt?

>>55501706
>I am an adult
On a 4chan forum complaining about anime vtubers while acting like you have the moral high ground. Throw away your self-hatred and embrace the BAU BAU.

>>55501581
Why? They don't act Japanese. I don't see it and I've consumed over 90% Japanese media for two decades. See this and why I also don't watch any dubs >>55501789 because it's not the same even if you pretend and don't actually do it the same way.

>>55501864
No?
I'm saying that you were giving him too much credit by saying he's being too literal.
He is being a disingenuous cunt

>>55501881
NTA but you might be surprised that in the future everyone will be in their 60s or older and still doing the same. Better get used to it.

>>55491296
She has a channel with over 20 million subs, what the fuck is she gonna join Hololive for

>>55501724
>ctrl+f ironic weeb
>26 results

... jesas

>>55501789
>No they didn't.
Their vods are still up and the second mococo opened her mouth during the debut EVERY FUCKING PERSON in the thread was screaming "It's them"

>>55501955
I know, I turn 40 next month.

>>55501488
>retarded antis like yourself that were saying they were ESL
To be fair, many people were confused. Even the Japanese comments had some clear confusion in them. My general opinion at the time was it seemed like it may be the case, but I didn’t care.

>>55501945
I dont want to watch streamers who use an obviously fake voice because it comes across as insincere. Thats my whole argument and im not sure why im being called disingenuous

>>55501388
>>55501789
>>55501901
>>55501440
They literally don't know about Scooby Doo. Kill yourself Niji kike

>>55502103
Who's Scooby

>>55490689
>>55491847
Some ancient kids content channel adopting a mega SEXO vtuber avatar was kinda out of the left field, no?

Not liking FWMC =/= Being an ironic weeb.
Someone can be a genuine otaku, consuming many products that come out of Japan and wholeheartedly loving them, and still not enjoying the dogs. Does not enjoying sugary-sweet, diabetes-inducing content mean that their love for everything Japanese doesn't count?

>>55501706
>being "sincere" means "admitting that you hate your fans"
real mask off moment for saplings KEK

>>55502032
I'm not the only one in late 30s...

>>55502248
Being an adult means admitting you cant actually befriend or fuck the chuubas in real life. If you cant admit that then get help

>>55502192
Do you love the Empire and support its endeavors to civilize Asia and better the world? If so, you can be forgiven for not liking FWMC

>>55502192
>Does not enjoying sugary-sweet, diabetes-inducing content mean that their love for everything Japanese doesn't count?
unironically yes

>>55502103
What? Sorry, I only consume Japanese media. Ruh roh,

>>55502192
they dont represent all the jp vtubers ofc since the jps have diverse styles of vtubing. they just have jp standards.

>>55502192
I agree with you, however shitting on people that do like them is definitely ironic weeb behaviour. A huge subset of otaku culture is based on moe, even if it's not your thing personally.

>>55502086
Most streamers use streamer voice, including almost all of JP and most of EN.

>>55501901
>I don't see it
You’re lying anon. But let’s suppose you pretend to see no similarities. To you Kronii would just as JP-like in mannerisms as Fuwamoco. Well now what? It’s like you’re saying the grass is purple, when it’s actually green.

>>55502410
NTA but in reality nobody needs your approval to enjoy and participate in hobbies. It seems like your enjoyment is contingent on the opinions of others. But true otaku will enjoy their hobbies regardless. Not because it's like this or that, but because they like what they like, and don't need to be told they ought to like something. It doesn't affect them like it affects you.

>>55502410
on a scale of 1 to 10 how well do you think your raid is going?
do you think you will manage to turn public perception in vt against the dogs, you almost managed against shiori before jannies started deleting the threads
in my opinion you guys are too late on this one

>>55502499
Don't tell them that

>>55502499
He knows that. Everybody fucking knows that.
Even flesh streamers do that.
He's a disingenuous cunt grasping at straws

A person who can say Kronii is just as JP-like as Fuwamoco, has completely denied reality and lost the argument from anyone reading this thread who has a functioning brain.

>>55502086
You sound a little autistic. Do you dislike actors for portraying fictional characters? What matters is how sincere they are in trying to be entertaining and not act like it's a chore to be a vtuber. I don't give a shit if your tummy horts, what juicy gossip you heard at the studio, or how much lean you've been sipping. I just want to be able to suspend my disbelief enough to feel like I'm not watching Twitch ethots using anime avatars to milk people for money.

>>55502086
>fake voice
this space is not for you if you have no idea what voice acting is

>>55502563
>But true otaku will enjoy their hobbies regardless. Not because it's like this or that, but because they like what they like, and don't need to be told they ought to like something. It doesn't affect them like it affects you.
Exactly, that's why you just respond to shitposting with BAU BAU, because it's not even worth it to read drivel from fake fans / ironic weebs getting filtered.

>>55502530
I'm not lying. I just don't see it, I acknowledge they're trying to act cute, but I don't see it as in the same context as I do with Japanese media. For very clear reasons that make them very different. I did like some of their anisong covers though, they have potential if they knock it off and try to learn from their JP senpais.

>>55502563
The infringement of hobbies by kikes like you affect me directly and gravely, and I'm not just talking about vtubers. Less than 10 watchable hollywood movies made after 2000. Due to people like you.

>>55502680
>I don't give a shit if your tummy horts
nta but I give a shit when Mococo tummy hurts from laughing too much

>>55502719
I think you really do a good job in outing yourself.

>>55502192
Most of HoloEN (really most of EN Vtubing as a whole) are ironic weebs. FWMC come off as genuine otaku who love Japanese media and want to be Japanese idols.

You aren't an unironic weeb for disliking them. You are an ironic weeb if you don't like them but support actual ironic weebs (like most of HoloEN)

>>55502719
based
remember that despite what reddit insists, gatekeeping is a GOOD thing

Fuwamoco have by far the highest /jp/ otaku powerlevel out of EN

>>55492830
Underrated, have this (you)

>>55502709
You don't respond to shitposting PERIOD. You think shitposters give a shit whether your response is a wall of text or BAU BAU? They don't, they only care that they got a (you).

>>55502854
yeah, that's why the only people getting filtered by them are ironic weebs

>>55502854
No shit

>>55502709
You're still just masking your frustration. If you're a true one, and don't care, then you don't even see it like that. You either don't see it or you go back to your hobby. The only people that unironically argue or respond to opinions they don't like aren't really big fans. I'm not heavily invested in them so I'll discuss it with some detachment, but I don't need to know some rando's opinion about the things I really do love.

>>55502854
What are the rankings? Who is the en otaku yamcha?

>>55502869
nta but as shitposter myself (currently on break) yes I do
I need to feel like I'm wasting the other person time
my favorite from of shitposting is just doing minimal effort while the other guys is writing paragraphs back to me while clearly seething with anger

>>55502974
Yeah, this thread has been great fun.

>>55502680
People are interesting when you can glimpse their true self, even behind the veil of Live2D and Youtube streaming. In fact it makes them more compelling when you can't help but learn about their true self through their work

>>55502974
>nta but as shitposter myself (currently on break)
kek, this nigga off the clock right now

>>55501789
shut up BITCH!!!!!!!

>>55503026
Great, I'm glad that works for you. Others are quite happy with just the performance and don't need any personal context from the performer.

>>55502932
Unironically Kronii is at the top just from her sheer knowledge of RPGmaker games and webnovels

>>55502717
>all non-JP Holo VTubers appear equally the same in mannerisms, JP-language ability, conduct, etc. I’m incapable of noticing any differences between them. There is no spectrum either.
All we are left with is troll. Well, I was hoping for an interesting conversation, but it appears not.

>>55503189
Thank you for saying that, even if youre being sarcastic. With all sincerity I hope you enjoy the twins even if I dont

>>55502932
There's different kinds of otaku. A lot of the girls are pretty heavily invested in something different.

Fucking gay

>>55503189
>>55503285
Literal bitches lmao. Y'all niggers passive aggressive cunts eh?

>>55503378
Nigger you're getting trolled by a conversation that doesn't even involve you. I'll take that as a win.

>>55503378
I honestly mean it

>>55503447
nta but that "conversation" doesn't even involve two people

I think Bau Bau makes more sense, because antis see, too low IQ for normal replies. They beg us to reply normally, but are too stupid to actually follow the conversation.

>>55503447
Lmao (laughing my ass off)

>>55503488
As if. Me and this anon
>>55503466
were just about to have some wild make-up sex but now it's ruined.

The hobby is fucking flooded with "ironic weebs", you're watching ENGLISH VTUBERS for fuck's sake; you didn't even pass the first filter of KNOWING JAPANESE
Though Fuwamoco are more of a "dumb bitch" filter than an "ironic weeb" filter which is good enough for me

>>55502192
At the very minimum you don't care about idolshit, that much is obvious. But Holo has idolshit origins in its approach so it's not weird to conclude that the non-ironic weebs who are here were here for that sort of thing, and could appreciate stuff like idolm@ster and other things that were popular with anime/game otaku. FWMC should feel very natural and recognizable in that environment, especially if you're not a zoomer and experienced some otaku history.

>>55502192
Holy shit that's what this thread is about you autist. Being an ironic weeb is saying that the twins' voices are cringey and their entire kayfabe caters to pedos, that's the problem that needs to be addressed. If a genuine otaku wasn't simply into the twins then they just shut up about it and move on, but ironic weebs can't just do that and instead complain about how weird this entire thing is because they die if they don't get enough attention every 10 minutes

>>55503540
I just write inb4 bau bau and then you're a bitch for doing exactly what I want. Dance my puppet, dance.

Inb4 BAU BAU btw

>>55503378
>Y'all
Post hand

>>55503707
BAU BAU

>>55503707
I wanted to debate because it’s fun anon. But you are playing dumb.

>>55502396
Reddit is that way, anon

the whole vtuber system is designed around viewer engagement. If you're actually mad that people want to watch vtubers more similar to blues clues, where viewer engagement is the main focus, you're out of touch and don't belong in that group. Maybe you'd be better off looking for another vtuber you can engage with pseudo-intellectually like the poser you are.

Bau Bau saves time.

>>55503634
Lol
Lmao even

Who lost
Who won

>>55504214
>who lost
You
>who won
Me

>>55490012
I don't even watch anime based retard.

>>55504214
Real losers are the ones who complain when EN sings in japanese.

I like the twins. But let's stop pretending they are native English speakers.

Have a look at the bau bau general. It's just an archive of newfag redditors admitting they're new to the board. Seriously go look. You really think EN is healing?

>>55491492
vtuber
>assumed pretty girl with shared interests laughs at the stuff you like
3dpd
>rude fugly caricature who spends the conversation on her phone
Unless we return to 60s or 80s physical fitness culture, I don't see birthrates recovering.

>>55502396
You're on /vt/ anon. Nobody here is mentally an adult. Not even you, otherwise you'd see how pointless arguing with anons on an image board is.

>>55504551
Bau Bau

>>55504551
Aside from the redditor part, wouldn't you want new people to start watching?

>>55505040
Newfags should lurk for a year minimum before posting

>>55504551
i like fwmc but they are in hololive. get too much attention. they are becoming babbies first jp vtubers for the en audience.

>>55490012
I don't even like tranime

I love that FWMC is filtering this hard. It's also hilarious to see anons act like they're geniuses for preferring other chuubas. It's literally the "you have to be high IQ to enjoy Rick and Morty" meme, except instead of pl*bbitors it's newfags/EOPs.

>>55505099
No one is gonna follow your rules, oldfaggot

>>55505401
they're genuinely the perfect ironic weeb detector
if you're not watching them, you need to GTFO of /vt/

>>55505040
I'm surprised there isn't more discussion about this here. Go anywhere else and you'll find people who have a drive to suck as many people into the "rabbit hole" as they can.
I've yet to see a dedicated thread about this topic, but I assume it'd just end up like this one.

>>55505628
I'm not watching them and I'm not leaving, sucks to be you I guess.

>>55506073
>I'm not watching them and I'm not leaving
then you have no right to complain when people who are even bigger normalfags and ironic weebs than you are ruin vtubing for you, the way people like you are already ruining it for everyone else

>>55505401
Every time i see someone shitting on Fuwamoco or Korone is probably someone like this pic, just more brown,ugly and from SEA

>>55505628
I have an actual JP oshi though.
What's the end game here? All I'm seeing are EOP swapping over to Fuwacoco after spending years complaining about EN.
Wouldn't it have been better if they were just JP? Now normies are just gonna keep complaining, and the likelihood of Cover bending the knee in the future increases. EN is already cucked as is with certain topics and games.

>>55506388
Man that sucks, can’t relate tho

>>55501063
Based. It's a terrible way to live, glad you overcame it.

>>55491492
holos are modern days geishas