/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>55385284
Ogey while I agree, don't say that Kizuna Ai became "obsolete". She would still be going strong if it wasn't for her shitty corp.

To be fair, Gura is a stand out in Myth; the best one they got. I can’t say much good about EN2 though, as it just felt like filler. So I guess Gura + EN3, is the best of HoloEN IMO.

I don't think their karaoke was anything special desu

It's disheartening to see other fanbases pose as Ruffians to try and falseflag turf wars between Advent, Myth and Council. If these people are newfags it can be excused as regular shitposting but it seems too coordinated.

>>55385284
Bijou ER was 10/10 too. EN3 won.

>A JP gen meant to leech fans from EN is doing well in JP
Shocking

So this is how it feels to fully understand a jp holo... I want to support them with all of my heart.

>>55385515
I thought he was saying all of EN3 is good?

>>55385439
Kizuna Ai, did became obsolete, she wasn't authentic, she used to read scripts on her short videos

>>55385284
I fucking hate this JP arc, they keep taking these jp trips too much, like I get it if its every 6 mos.- 1yr, but come on.
Fucking stream already.
I really hope advent don't have too much downtime in streams and even if they go to trips, they aren't radio silent like a certain chuuba.
EN3 is a breathe of fresh air from myth and council, because aside from fauna/mori/kiara, the other members don't even bother with their fans when going away.

>>55385515
>to try and falseflag turf wars
stating facts is not falseflag

>>55385515
>coordinated
It’s almost as if some big event happened which caused a lot of different people to have a lot of different opinions, hence a lot of threads are made

>>55385515
What if it's not shitposting? What if it's his genuine opinion? I'm nta but as much as i love unity and my oshi (she's in council), i can't debate him at all. He's completely right, no matter how much i hate it.

>>55385775
That anon IS right, but his premise is disingenuous. Myth and Council are not "obsolete" and phrasing it that way is shitty.

>>55385591
>Advent
yeah

>>55385705
>stating facts is not falseflag
Right, it is not wrong to say people seemed to be leaving before, and seemed disappointed in the Council. Or that they prefer this better. Also people may want Hololive as a company to know this is how they feel, so they don’t mess up a future EN4.

>>55385827
Of course his intentions are fucked, we're on 4chan. But if you look at the situation objectively, he's right. Myth and Council were too chill and complacent.

>>55385284
Sorry but fuwamoco has no distinct personality unlike each members of myth and council. An AI can replace the twins and you wouldnt be able to tell any difference

>>55385629
>I really hope advent don't have too much downtime in streams and even if they go to trips, they aren't radio silent like a certain chuuba.
amen brodah

>>55386004
Only retards like ina and mori are getting hit the hardest, everyone else should be fine, but i do think the dogs are unironic gura killers

>>55386004
Chill? No. They had a lot of wild moments, peaks and valleys. Complacent? I suppose, but that's too broad. IRyS, Bae, Kiara, even Mori were all pretty ambitious.

>>55385827
>That anon IS right, but his premise is disingenuous. Myth and Council are not "obsolete" and phrasing it that way is shitty.
That’s actually a good point. But anon, don’t expect rational thinkers here who are capable of expressing their points more concisely. I knew what he was getting at anyway.

>>55386123
They aren’t. Gura and the Twins are both good. But do people actually think the others in Myth besides Gura had a lot of appeal? It seemed to me that they just coasted along on the hype train.

>>55385827
>Myth and Council are not "obsolete"
i don't know anon, if Advent is in the menu, most probably i will pick them

>>55386139
>Chill? No.
Compared to how Advent came out swinging and hungry for blood? Nah, Council was mild. And again, i say that as a retard whose oshi is in council.
>IRyS, Bae, Kiara, even Mori were all pretty ambitious.
Not in a way they had to be.

>>55386004
>Myth and Council were too chill and complacent
exactly, especially Kronnii, Amelia and Ina

>>55385827
>Myth and Council are not "obsolete"
Have you just not watched Fuwamoco or HoloJP at all, or something? They're literally the JP experience in English, something that Myth and Council have failed to provide despite being at it for years now. They had their chance at improving as entertainers, and every single one of them failed.
Now, there's new girls on the block who are actually talented and work hard enough to make high quality vtuber streams in the English language a reality, and we're supposed to just act like the mediocre content of holoEN gen 1 and 2 isn't objectively completely outdated now?

>>55386019
>unlike each members of myth and council
that are boring, people wanted jp like cuteness, and they deliver exactly that

>>55386123
More like Gura saviors.

>>55386599
I have watched every single Advent stream since debut, and FuwaMoco are already my oshi(s). I still tuned into Kiara yesterday because I like her stream schedule. By definition, that means Myth isn't obsolete. Likewise, after the L4D2 collab redirected to Mumei's birthday karaoke, I watched the whole thing with anons. Therefore, Council isn't obsolete.

It's not about acknowledging Advent's obvious strengths, but avoiding putting their senpais down.

>>55386123
>Only retards like ina and mori are getting hit the hardest
honestly, I think graduation is likely on the table for ina unless she tries to grift hardcore off the new girls
she's going to be at sub-1k CCV levels on every stream in a few months, screencap this

>>55386704
>It's not about acknowledging Advent's obvious strengths, but avoiding putting their senpais down.
That's completely fine and understandable. I'm just a little salty that we had to wait so long for something like EN3 to happen.

>>55386599
>They're literally the JP experience in English, something that Myth and Council have failed to provide
Because they didn’t think an EN audience would actually want that. Some don’t actually, but it seems like a majority do.
>>55386704
>I still tuned into Kiara yesterday because I like her stream schedule. By definition, that means Myth isn't obsolete.
It could just mean obsolete in terms of being a selection/management strategy for an EN audience in the future. I say this, because the OP probably doesn’t actually think the others would have no viewers.

>>55386704
That's just you having too much free time and accepting watching low quality content because it's convenient, anon. People who actually care about the value of their time will watch Advent streams and skip anything from Myth or Council, making them obsolete by definition.

>>55385284
>Hololive has raised the bar to the heavens
>There is a new standard for quality in vtuber entertainment
>Advent has come to satiate a hunger in market need demanded for years, fans wanted streams

>>55386965
If you cared about the value of your time you'd watch clippers instead of raw uncut streams.

>>55386956
>Some don’t actually
Yeah, I don't think these people are actually Hololive fans. Like, if someone only watches Ina or something and doesn't have any interest in Fuwamoco after their debut, I'd go as far as to say they don't count as a fan of Hololive at all.

>>55385629
>I really hope advent don't have too much downtime in streams and even if they go to trips, they aren't radio silent
We both do anon, we do.

>>55387045
actually based and true, I never watch full streams anymore. I just wait for timestamps to show up in the comments with highlights and skip to those for the 2-3 girls I care about

>>55386972
>>55387198
One retard per gen is better than 5

>>55387198
Any hints to what ?????? is going to be?

>>55386386
>Council was mild
i think Council sew how explosive was the grow of Myth, and they thought that problems in their lives were resolved, and then Advent saw all the people wanting streams and good content, and now they are thriving.

>le jp experience
What do you guys even mean by this? JPs are not a monolith. Fuwamoco is basically like Luna (with the strict adherence to kayfabe and baby voice), except way less coherent because there are two of them. There are plenty of other JPs that don't do exaggerated voices or lean too much into kayfabe.
I feel like you only say this because they also speak JP frequently.

>>55386704
>It's not about acknowledging Advent's obvious strengths, but avoiding putting their senpais down
I honestly see no reason not to do both. 4/5 of Advent is extremely talented and hard working, while all of their "senpais" are neither. Why tone down the level of honesty just because of who has been in Hololive for a longer period of time?

Okay dogbros are getting as insufferable as Shiorifags now

>>55387508
Let me guess, another Shiori anti?

>>55385284
Why are you dog fuckers so god damn obnoxious?

>>55387576
kek, seethe harder chumbud
BAU BAU

>>55387576
BAU BAU

>>55387452
It’s not that people think all JP Holos act identical to each other, but that their is a general conduct or JP-mannerisms that an EN streamer isn’t familiar with, or able to produce well. Having said this, I don’t actually think what the twins are doing is easily repeatable. Too many factors come into play in order to make that, like their chemistry, singing, entertainment value, etc. For example: even if you can replicate a “JP experience” with another streamer in the future, they could very well suck in so many other ways. I’m not sure what to totally make of it all yet.

Unironic weeb sharts projecting their "superior" JP experience onto everything.

ywnbj

>>55387562
nta but she literally has zero talents and is abrasive to boot with a grating voice. Her debut being the weakest out of Advent gave an extremely bad first impression too. The sex design that was given to her was an absolute waste. It's easily one of the most, if not THE most tragic miscasting in hololive history.

>>55387797
I literally can't see anything in this post that isn't "I'm a chumbud and I'm crying because my oshi isn't relevant anymore"

>>55386704
>but avoiding putting their senpais down
they will fade away naturally, without effort

>>55387849
I'm not gonna defend Shiori because she is certainly the weakest, but chalking it all up to a model mismatch is reductionist. Her major malfunction right now is that she doesn't play too many games and is a bit too aggressive around her genmates

>>55387198
>bug snacks
Shiori eats the bugs?

they WILL collab with males

>>55387452
Holy based. No one asked for kayfabe in EN until the twins arrived, then suddenly it's all /vt/ apparently ever wanted and you're a twitch-watching faggot for watching the others. I see the appeal of kayfabe and it makes sense to differentiate vtubers from typical streamers, but there's kayfabe and Fuwamoco who take way too extreme. It squeezes everything that's probably interesting about them out and all you're left with is a noise machine. Vtubers are supposed to be real life anime girls, but anime girls have personalities in their shows that are supposed to be relatable and human-like in the way they behave. Two uwu woofers are not relatable in any way. Korone leaning into her irl boxing shit and making funny content out of it is how it's supposed to be done. She's sharing the real woman behind the avatar but through a cute avatar. She's not woofing like a fucking retard every stream.

>>55388037
>No one asked for kayfabe in EN until the twins arrived
I like how you memoryholed council entire existence

>>55388037
Here: >>55387755

is the OP the same as this faggot

>>55385625
That's because she did skits you sperging smooth brain.

>>55387934
I think a lot of people don't understand just how little it matters if people on this board acknowledge the quality difference between fuwamoco and their senpais or not. In a few months, Myth and Council will have faded into complete irrelevance regardless of what anyone on this board says, while Advent will be thriving largely because of our girls.

>>55388125
Probably more likely a common opinion, as least for the people coming here. Then again, I seen comments like these more often under the YouTube videos, except they were put so much more polite than this place would ever do.

>>55386956
>they didn’t think an EN audience would actually want that
that happens when you only appeal or read comments from echo chambers like reddit or twitter, they will tell you that everything is good and perfect, but to be honest, the only reason why Niji EN, Vshojo or other small corpos have fans, it's because Holo EN was boring with mediocre content, they let them go away.

>>55388111
???
Everyone hated Council's weird over-the-top lore. Only Sana tried to carry it around and look how it turned out for her.

>>55385284
People really trying to do this whole pit girls against girls

>>55388327
>Only Sana tried to carry it around and look how it turned out for her
that was actually based, the only thing that killed sana was not streaming

>>55388327
And that just proves that kayfabe got nothing to do with it, retard. Use your own head for one second and answer me this: why did people hate council lore so much and couldnt wait for it to fuck off but when it comes to Fuwamoco, suddenly, everyone loves them? Go ahead, think for a bit.

>>55386972
kek

There will come a moment when fuwamoco fuck up and you are gathering the seethe of all other fanbases when it happens. Shiori is already on the shit list for many.

>>55385284
The twins wouldn't want to be used to talk shit about their senpai
BAU BAU!

>>55388455
That's exactly what I was trying to say too. I'm agreeing with you, dumbass

>>55388447
even that wouldn't have killed sana, she just chose another career

I've noticed a large uptake in these type of threads, doxx posting even if wrong, pitting girls against girls, why do the advent girls hate myth and so on threads since yesterday Even more then before. It's really strange I see even more of these right before the girls monetize, makes you go hmmmmm

People are saying that Shiori is the weakest Advent but her streams so far has pretty good viewer retention (yes even with raids) and she's just talking insects and vtuber history and whatnot. Hell, there's even that one day where Bijou and Nerisa were collabing together while she was just talking about books and she managed to have the same viewership as them even before she got raided. There's also the l4d collab where she managed to have the second highest viewership together with Nerissa under FWMC. She's clearly doing something right or she's just botting I guess.

>>55385439
Agreed. Kizuna AI had such a strong brand as the first big vtuber and so much nostalgia attached to her that she would have continued to be successful, despite her not really meeting the standards of today's competitive vtubing scene.

>>55388653
>"It squeezes everything that's probably interesting about them out and all you're left with is a noise machine"
Are you now? So how come they're the most popular ones in advent then?

>>55388455
There really is no one thing you can point to that describes perfectly what Fuwamoco is doing here, as any one thing in itself (like kayfabe) doesn’t actually work simply by itself, meaning that only when you have a bunch of stuff coming together are you then able to replicate it. But even if you can replicate the JP-part (like mannerisms, voice, language, and whatnot), what if they still suck just by being bad ant streaming in other ways? I think this topic is actually complicated.

>>55387983
you VILL eat ze bugs
you VILL vatch ze male collabs and you vill be happy

>>55387092
Never liked Holo EN content, didn't like Mori voice, Kiara mocked my oshi, Ina was boring, Ame felt above her audience, and Gura was inconsistent, that's why i never gave a chance to Council and stick to my JP oshi.
Now is the first time i'm watching and enjoying Holo EN streams, and honestly supporting them.

>>55388763
protip: you're arguing with a chumbud coping that his oshi is about to be made completely irrelevant by the "two uwu woofers" he's shitting on

>>55388679
People were pissed at old management and jumping on perceived victory. As for tribalism? Hello and Welcome.

>>55388882
Based, do you agree that myth and council should be forcibly graduated?

>>55388947
Not even trying bro. You think I'm that fucking stupid?

>>55388651
Based. Anti-unity friends are not true ruffians and deserve to have their smile pledge revoked, and then drawn and quartered.

>>55388835
>what if they still suck just by being bad ant streaming in other ways? I think this topic is actually complicated.
And we'll talk about it if they start actually sucking in those unspecified ways.

>>55388976
NTA but yes, holoEN deserves a blank slate at this point

>>55387576
BAU BAU Mother Fucker

>>55385515
do not fall for the idol/phase/discord fag shitposting and bait posting

HOLOLIVE ONLY GROWS STRONGER

>>55389108
I don’t mean Fuwamoco as they clearly are good, I mean trying to replicate the JP-part of it (like JP-mannerisms, voice, language, and whatnot) in other streamers, and then finding out they suck in other ways. Like you cannot easy make it work, if it doesn’t ALL work.

>holo vs holo

>>55385515
>>55388679
It's almost as if hmmmm

>>55386965
full pic pls

>>55388976
nta but I wish holoEN is abolished altogether. The twins can be moved to hololive proper or something instead of rotting in their current pigsty.

>>55388037
>Vtubers are supposed to be real life anime girls
Who the fuck said that???? anime is enjoyable in 2D and remains a success that way, if not then why every life adaptation (no exception) is a horrible failure????
>but anime girls have personalities in their shows that are supposed to be relatable and human-like in the way they behave.
Again what the fuck are you projecting?? you sound like a lost zoomer that didn't have references when growing up, and now you are a mess.
>Two uwu woofers are not relatable in any way
and they never where yet and don't need to, it's just entertainment, why does everything has to be relatable to be enjoyed? that's retarded and stupid, so you cant enjoy a thriller about a serial killer because you are not murderer yourself? anime girls have been doing cute noises for decades and enjoyed by otakus in japan forever.
that's why you don't belong here, GTFO

>>55389630
Just don’t watch Holo EN?

>>55385284
Holy shit I just watched the the karaoke and OP was right and not a faggot for once. They're on an entirely different level. If I was on any other EN Gen I'd be shitting my britches.

>>55387045
>multitasking
anon is a singlecelled organism

>>55388646
>gathering the seethe of all other fanbases
KEK ANON HAHAHAH
BAU BAU

>>55390500
nta but watching streams while doing something else is retarded because it just splits your focus from the thing you were doing between it and the stream, making the stream less enjoyable and you worse at whatever it is you were doing due to distraction

>>55390518
He means that he is predicting Fuwamoco will become another Gura.

I'll admit, this falseflagging campaign across the whole of Advent did get me, but I've since learned to just ignore these fuckers rather than engage in infighting.

>>55385284
So you mean each Vtuber should be composed of a duo of vtubers?

>>55390676
I believe he is saying EN3 is better than EN2. His opinion.

>>55385284
Stop larping, phaseshill
EN3 is Gura and EN savior
They will finally help Gura's back to heal after carrying the branch this entire time

>EN restart foundation tier
Gura
Fauna
FuwaMoco
>consider tier
Mumei
Irys
Bijou
Nerissa
>graduation tier
Ina
Kiara
Ame
Mori
Bae
Shiori
>execute live as an example for the rest
Kronii

>>55390676
Yes. And they shoild always be twins.

>>55390500
Posting in Global while you watch your oshi does not count as watching streams, just so you know.

>>55387797
kys ironic weeb

>>55390826
I would replace Fauna with Bijou.

>>55390826
>EN restart foundation tier
Nerissa
Bijou
FuwaMoco
>consider tier
Shiori
Gura
>graduation tier
Ina
Kiara
Ame
Mori
Bae
Fauna
>execute live as an example for the rest
Kronii

>>55385284
You people are seriously sucking the teats off these twin dogs. I'm beginning to think all the praises /vt/ give them are just ironic at this point.

THEY ARE NOTHING SPECIAL.

>>55387452
It's only said by people who don't watch/understand JPs

>>55387198
As long as she isn't radio silent in her socials, am fine with it.
Looking at her twitter now, she's been actively interacting with her fans from the fanfics and fans sharing their vp purchases.
So she gets a pass as long as she updates us.

>>55390826
>EN restart foundation tier
FuwaMoco
Bijou
Gura
>consider tier
Nerissa
Fauna
Mumei
Irys
>graduation tier
Ina
Kiara
Ame
Mori
Bae
Kronii
Shiori
>execute live as an example for the rest
None

>>55391084
>You people are seriously sucking the teats off these twin dogs
Holy sex anon.

“The jp experience in en” being some kind of gold standard does not make sense to me. I’m glad they can appeal to the audience there that wants it, but to me they just babble like babies and the kayfabe makes me feel like I’m watching children’s television.

>>55385475
same, it was pretty typical for their PL. with the way people are holding this up, it's like HoloEN never had good singers before.

>>55388976
Fuwamoco would be sad to see you post that anon.

>>55385439
>>55385625
>>55388734
Kizuna AI isn't even really comparable to most modern vtubers, since her focus was on pre-recorded variety content rather than live-streaming primarily video games.

>>55391362
You keep posting this in every Fuwamoco thread and just switching around the words. Get help.

>>55391143
She's only 2 fucking weeks in and is already taking more than an entire week off. Please stop willingly eating shit and settling with just eating shit.

>>55391792
>Vtubers are your slaves and must forgo any real life obligations to be your dancing monkeys
Noted.

>>55391465
>it's like HoloEN never had good singers before.
Because people already liked them BEFORE the singing, anon. It’s just adds even more to the picture.

>>55391362
And why does their popularity bother you so much that you're posting this same thought in every FWMC thread, anon? You act like you don't care but you do, which is weird.

>>55391894
It's her job, anon. Are you fucking retarded? This is real life obligation.

>>55391465
People are being extremely reactionary from the high of a new debut. The exact opposite is like that too. Don't get me wrong Shiori is utterly awful at singing but she's not straight up tone deaf like Ame and Noel which people claimed to be superior to her.

>>55391950
>>55391622
how have you guys not realized that anon is a mythfag or councilfag insecure that his oshi's approach to vtubing has been outdated, and coping about it?

>>55391143
They all knew damn well when they debut, and should have kept their schedule free to stream as much as possible for at least 2 first months. Sudden emergencies are different, but taking a break like that after 2 weeks is a bad look no matter how you try to excuse it, especially when you are the most controversial member to start with, and it can't even be something like singer/idol stuff you have to take care of, since she can't sing for shit.

>>55391622
Have you considered the words get switched around because I’m a different person expressing the same opinion? I never go into FWMC threads because their fans are literal rabid dogs that bark at you for dissenting opinions.

>>55392111
>their fans are literal rabid dogs that bark at you for dissenting opinions.
You posted this in the number thread

>>55392022
Tell that to the talents who takes breaks for multiple months at a time without even announcing it.
She's been in the game forever. For now, at least, I'm not going to call for her fucking head, because she's taking two weeks off during her debut period, which she would know is a stupid thing to do if she could avoid it.

>>55391894
I get taking a break 1-2 days a week but 10 days not even a month in? In the most vital period for a vtuber's growth? I'm sorry but she's utterly retarded with this complete self sabotage and you even more so for enabling this shit post-council, especially with how immensely inferior she is already in comparison to her genmates.

>>55392233
I’m upset some other anon has the same thoughts as me but chooses to spend time in shitty generals

>>55392111
Didn't deny it.

>>55392087
>especially when you are the most controversial member to start with
Is she though? She's actually doing pretty well, numbers wise.

>>55392287
>she's stupid
problem solved

>>55385284
How many Gura killers have we gone through at this point?

>>55392525
In which case, being stupid is no reason to anti someone.

>>55392304
>She gets left behind by her genmates
>Cover asks them to carry her retarded ass
>We get unwanted collabs with the black sheep of gen 3

>>55392537
How about good like Gura, rather than killing her outright? Why does everything have to be either terrible, or godlike to the point of utterly defeating Gura? How does that make sense?

>>55392487
And at least part of those numbers are her being controversial + best EN3 model buff. She is roughly equal with Bijou in subs now (349k vs 350k), but she is only gonna start lagging behind now with the break.

>>55385284
kroni, ame and mori are gonna have CCV sudoku, the rest are gonna be alright.

>>55392612
>Anon is too retarded to ignore full gen collabs

>>55392654
I mean anyone who spouts Gura killer is either shitposting or has a severe lack of understanding as to what made Gura the EN queen in the first place. Any EN vtuber looking to dethrone Gura missed their window by about 2 years

>>55392765
>Kiara at 3.6k watching right now
>was like 2.5k an hour ago last I saw her in recommended
It's over.

>>55392919
We can thank Kiara for showing how bad eu friendly streams are and making everyone stream in the same 3 hour timeslot

Says OP, as he continues to never watch a single stream.

>>55393009
Mori streamed during EU hours like a week ago and still pulled in 6k, it's just Kiara being Kiara.

>>55393009
The twins are trying EU primetime, and it sucks even for them. EU time is terrible.

>>55392919
kiara always had around 4k or less when streaming in central european time, she was always the lowest CCV of myth, that hasn't changed much, the interesting thing if anything was mori's absolute straight down ccv dive, same as kroni the other day realeasing that cover the other day.

>>55393098
she was raided, also ''HUGE ANOUNCEMT WHOM IS THE MYSTERIOUS DREAM COLLABORATOR???'' clickbait, everytime less efective than before.

>>55385284
stop using my dogs for bait you bitch

>>55385629
>fuck cover, they dont care about EN, wont let them have their 3d debuts, be in hologro, participate in concerts
>fuck cover, all the talents are busy recording their 3d debuts and concerts
why are you like this

>>55392757
>a part of those numbers are her being controversial
Again, is she though? Or am I to believe there are more than 100k anonymous users from 4chin contributing here.

>>55392828
>anon uses flawed logic
>it's not very effective
Kill yourself, retard.

>>55392828
There must be a difference between fullgen collabs and collabs specifically there to carry the shit-tier chuba of the generation, right?

>>55385284
>>55388976
>>55389138
>>55389630
>Don't you just hate these EN whores, fellow Hollow-life fans? Don't you agree that they should demolish the entire branch and a good chunk of their business because they are so SHIT? BAU BAU, I'm the same as you, see?

Already made my decision, goodbye Myth goodbye Council. Hello Advent, thank you Mr Jap thank you Yagoo

>>55385284
Not just that, IT'S THE WHOLE EN SCENE.
This is what Idol/Phase/NijiEN should have done but in the end they all lack ingenuity.

>>55393631
>collabs specifically there to carry the shit-tier chuba of the generation
Has this happened before?

>>55391894
your opinion repeated thousands of times by pc mindless bots on reddit and twitter trannies, is what ruined Myth and Council

So...
Can we finally say that EN3 managed to be the miracle gen much like ID3 and JP3 in their respective branch?

>>55392537
>Gura killers
Gura is actually pretty smart, she watched their debuts and recognized in 0.0000001 second that she and her friends are screwed, Their time is over, that's why she is streaming at the same time like crazy, the real Gura killer has come.

>>55393072
bau bau anon, now i only watch my jp oshi and advent

>>55395991
lets wait a couple of months

All these Fuwamoco shills about 'muh JP in EN' will be funny when they actually started doing JP streams and filtering these EOPs

>>55397525
I think most people will want them to collab with JP, so I don’t see the issue.

>>55385284

>>55385284
Bookmarking for when the debut buff ends.

>>55400804
>gura's first karaoke in like 6 or so months
>versus
>an ARCHIVED karaoke that was competing with gura and several other holos
hmmm...

>>55401458
>debut buff
trumps every cope you have, but go ahead and try again

>>55401458
>>55401630
They both did well.

>>55385284
bau bau!

>>55385625
Polka reads scripts on Polka no Densetsu, doesn't stop it from being great.

>>55390826
You can always spot the chumbuds.

>>55385284
I know you're baiting, but I don't see how they're going to be able to have any meaningful interaction with either chat or other holomems going forward. They fill a niche and good in them for that, but unless they're able to modify their act their streams will always be one dimensional.

>>55405117
For some reason I think cumkeks are the last group that would rate Fauna high.

It feels like most vtubers don't actually watch anime because none of them sing more than the standard few japanese OPs.

>>55400804
are you trying to fight with numbers...
be careful anon your post may become a meme of post that aged like milk.
Dogs are in the rise, hiatus fish is in decline

>>55385284
>After yesterday's FUWAMOCO karaoke, Hololive has raised the bar to the heavens.
Applies to literally 3/5 members of myth even before Advent.

>>55385515
Council isn't even in the argument because one graduated, one is always sick, one unfriended her fanbase and two homocollabed themselves to oblivion.

>>55404932
her own scripts, Polka is authentic, Kizuna Ai is just a character

>>55405610
Myth was driven by the most hype, rather than actual performance. They had no competition either.

i've never watched holoen, i'm only watching the dogs because they reincarnated here.
i hope they collab with their jp senpai a lot, because i actually know them

>>55405245
>but I don't see how they're going to be able to have any meaningful interaction with either chat or other holomems going forward
but all of that is secondary, and you never watched Luna, the most important is their foundation, they are in for the fans, not the other way around like myth and council, is like they want to serve and not to be served, that mentality will guide them to the top

>>55405744
While this is true, it's weird that council had 2/5 members who seemingly joined without actually wanting to be vtubers and then deliberately worked against their own success. Even with the best conditions, if you have members sabotaging themselves constantly they would still have sucked. Myth, at minimum, didn't start burning out until 2 years in.

>>55405245
Vgh, now Mococo can't react with un un as Fuwawa reads comments like "superchat 100 dollars ayo fuwawa do you wanna know what butterdog is XDDDDD", it is truly over.

>>55405947
The EN market will find them one dimensional and drop them once the novelty wears off. Once the debut buff ends they'll flatline and likely won't even be the most subbed of their gen after the one year mark. The JP bros they're attracting will also drop them quick once the novelty wears off and they realize their jp chubbas do what the dogs do better than them.

>>55406492
>The EN market will find them one dimensional and drop them once the novelty wears off
that happened with council, and they were dead since arrival, the dogs are 1000x better than kobo, and she is still growing like nobody

retard twins cant put a single intelligible sentence together

>>55407094
and yet their words make more sense than your post

The RM rumor is bullshit, right? I don't want the first good HoloEN ruined for me by 3DPD...

>>55408924
ruffian-san, don't reply to the baits. they don't watch streams.

>>55409223
why would i watch a stream if i dont find the streamer entertaining?

>>55410764
>doesn't know about hate-watching

But what about IRyS

>>55409165
Yes. There is more than one set of twin streamers in the world

>>55388125
>Marcop TSF
Tranny?

>>55386123
>>55386674
>The dogs saved Gura and protected her smile
Baused Fuwamoco

>>55409165
>RM rumor is bullshit, right?
What rumor?

>2 30+ year old white Canadian twins pretending to look and sound Japanese
Cringe

>>55415180
do you realize where you are?

>>55415160
Uggo failed net idols, but they kicked off some new project in the FWMC debut week so seems unlikely to me

>>55415359
Anon, if we’re thinking of the same twin idol sisters, then it’s absolutely not just a rumor

>>55385284
This is HoloEN's sankise. It's the generation the hits all the right notes for just about everyone. I don't like all of them, but I can see why others do.

While it's a bit of a stretch to call them obsolete, it's definitely clear who has their heart in it and who doesn't. It's definitely clear who loves it and who doesn't. I'd say it's more of a renaissance for HoloEN. Council and Myth still have their draw, but it's absolutely nothing by comparison.

>>55415608
I don't know how many of those there can really be, so probably. But I haven't seen anything linking them other than anons saying so

>>55415799
They made it really obvious by referencing “Northwest Passage” multiple times in relation to their timezone, which is an unmistakably Canadian reference
https://youtu.be/AL3FAfr8FGc?t=8760

>>55416287
Well that narrows it down to like 40 million people. Case closed

The worst fanbases so far

>KFPiss
>cuckbeats
>chumkeks
>novellites
>ruffians (you are here)

Keep it up.

>>55416402
>the fanbases I hate the most
Fixed

>>55387311
it's a collab on a different channel. It could be the first male collab, and cause massive catalog shit storm or another Advent collab, in a different format

>>55416386
Now you’re just being deliberately obtuse
How many twin weeaboo idol sisters are there in Canada

>disliking a chuuba because of how their RM looks
Dogs chase fake fans away

>>55416769
There is no reason to assume FWMC were meat idols previously or even that they're real twins.

>>55416402
it's clear you have a bias. you forgot to add the kronies. they may even be the #1 worst fanbase, simply because they're willing to reject reality. but what can we expect of people who are okay with being ideological hypocrites?
>>55415791
this. with gen3, it is far more clearer who is in it for the paycheck, and who is in it because they actually want to do it (with the added bonus of the paycheck). i'm not too sure about it being a renaissance, because advent has, in some ways, a far rougher mountain to climb.
they don't have the pandemic buff, but they do have the hololive buff.
they still need to reach the two year mark (this is the true test in my mind), but they have had time to watch EN's good times, as well as their collective idiocy.
from their position as the newest gen, they will likely be hit with the incoming global economic struggles. hopefully, they're at least aware that things aren't going to be a cakewalk.

>>55416976
>There is no reason to assume
There is reason to assume both of those things, but you’re just in denial about it for some reason
They have Canadian accents when they say for example words like “out”, “about” and “sorry”. They even sync up often in regular streams and sing in perfect unison. Their harmonies are immaculate. What’s not clicking, anon?

>>55390826
>execute live as an example for the rest
>Kronii
Man... Can we save her? She's the biggest what if in Hololive EN for me

>>55387950
Don't forget
>only one to make an awkward statement about collabs, refuses to elaborate
>only one to not release a cover
>only one that didn't put together a top10 anime list for PR shilling via trannyroll
>only one to take an entire week off, two weeks in

>>55391465
that's not even bait, HoloEN never had good singers before

>>55417357
>Can we save her?
probably. it’ll take time but i don’t see why not
hololive is all about redemption arcs

>>55387452
>>55388037
These anons grew up on twitch.

FuwaMoco are what most of people wanted when Cover was entering EN market.

>>55417215
Okay, so they're two women of a probable nationality who are close to each other. And based on that you're certain they are these two specific obscure people?

>>55417544
go away with your dox talk. who gives a fuck.

>>55417544
Yes. Not seeing the obvious is called denial

>>55417544
Holy shit do your reps. I didn't expect to see this clownery after their first stream which made things 100% obvious. You're either a total newfag who found this site yesterday or haven't fallowed pre-debut threads at all, on top of being retarded.

>>55417357
>>55417470
there is no saving someone who doesn't want to be saved. in all seriousness, she can't continue for long in hololive with her feminist bent, as well as giving higher priority elsewhere.

>>55417887
I'm not disputing the obvious connection to the previous vtubers, but anything beyond that is a stretch beyond belief.

>>55417887
I don't think that poster is questioning the obvious PL, but the PL of the PL, which is plausible to me but for which I have not seen any solid evidence, not did I research it because I don't really care to see them while they were still on their training arc.

>>55418281
You didn’t even do any research into it, so why are you weighing in at all with your uniformed opinion?

say that again without crying fag

>>55387310
strongly disagree

>>55385284
Council sucked ass since Sana left. I used to love the dynamic with her and Baelz, even saw them at a convention years back. Now it's all slap fights, slutty behavior and gratuitous male collabs.

FuwaMoco is a gimmick and will die in a few months. Everyone in advent is either diabetes or edgelords.

>Gura should have streamed
Gura sucks ass. She's for normies, and the vtubing landscape has diversified since then.

I'm not even a Nijifag, if youre wondering.

>>55416865
I can’t see how anyone could dislike big butt chan

>>55418719
You’re a redditspacer, that’s for sure
Go back

>>55415359
Their not uggos, big butt chan makes up for it

>>55418719
In summary, you enjoy aussie shitposters, as long as they are accompanied by less experienced aussie shitposters, gotcha.

>>55418719
God I love their slutty slap fights

>>55415608
>>55415359
To comment on the project announcement, it threw me off as well but it says it would be their last one so I assume they do it in service of those that supported them early on, to have a proper goodbye.

>>55419051
That's because I am an Aussie.
Nowadays holoaussie is just not even doing anything. Haachama is doesnt do much EN streams, and is sick and studying, Bae doesnt stream my kind of games, Sana just left after "tummy hort" and Axel is male, and no-one watches men.

>>55397525
>t.never watch streams
well good to know, fake fan

>>55390826
>EN restart foundation tier
Gura (But give her a long scolding on communication and streaming)
FuwaMoco
Nerissa
Bijou
IRyS
Kiara
Mumei
Fauna (Give her a talk on not letting the mask slip again)
Bijou

>Graduation tier
Ina
Ame
Bae
Shiori

>Execute live as an example for the rest
Kronii (Give Wada free reign to design a new Holo)
Mori

>>55420078
>Gura apologist
Screw you. (You) know that she's better than that, normie.
>Fauna and Bijou
Man, you love the worst in every generation, don't you? Even Bae, Ame and Shiori have their redeeming factors.

>>55416673 (me)
turns out, it's holotalk

>>55420078
>Graduation tier
>Ame
Based opinion

>>55419042
I mean, they are compared to the doggos. 3DPD was a mistake.

>>55419202
It's not phrased as a goodbye thing at all. I just read it as recognition that by the time this new unit is done they are way past aged out of the idol biz.

>>55391143
how much shit are shioriniggers willing to eat? the lows just keep getting lower

>>55420078
What mask slip are we talking about here in regards to Fauna?

Honestly I stopped watching her pretty early on, so many subscriber-only chats and her commentary got very boring after awhile. Plus I didn't care for how much she sucked Gura's dick early on.

>>55388976
>>55389138
>>55393685
i am going to bet you are crying over EN because
you are from mainland china and you got he rope
after Coco owned your bot farmers?
EN has some of the highest stats in all Hololive.
proof is in the numbers

Go visit Urumqi.

>>55400804
>obvious photoshop marks.

>>55431334
I assume her explaining to her audience that a parasocial relationship isn't a real relationship.

Which is true, and fair, but it still feels like when the Wii tells you to stop playing and fucking go outside.

>>55385827
cope and seeth. Most of Gen 1 &2 EN got lazy as fuck without any relevant competition and now they're going to pay the price. A

Seeing Gura panic streaming now that she's not top dog anymore is genuinely hilarious

>>55432805
She never wanted to be top dog so she's in no way panicking.

>>55432805

Competition can be good motivators for other vtubers. At least Gura is (finally) doing something but you can't say the same for the rest of them. Like, has Kronii done ANYTHING at all recently?

>Gura getting mogged by Bijou
>Kronii and Mori getting mogged by Nerissa
>Shiori still finding her target(s)
>Dogs take on all HoloEN challengers
Honestly just start making ultimatums to the old guard and the wasted wave to either put up mad cash/views/projects, or get packing for the Christmas graduation announcement

>>55434046
Holos don't retire without contract violations or international incidents.

oyabun is a better content creator than steamer

>>55409165
>>55415359
>anons find out what real women look like without makeup + snapchat filter

>>55437264
>real women
Where the fuck do you think you are?

Back to the same time loop. This what you said when Council came out as well. You guys just never learn. Also did this with Holostar but this was against Iluna since they cratered in views compared to their huge debut numbers.

>>55434046
Shiori is capturing the holo audience that refuses to watch other corpos or indies, which is full of red flag women.

>>55434046
Shiori is already planning a break, her only direct competition is Sana.

>>55391084
That's what a commoner alcoholic would say about fine wine, not understanding the important nuances

>>55391084
>You people are seriously sucking the teats off these twin dogs.
takeshi.webm

>>55396252
>she watched their debuts
anon, she was in the interviews, why do you think she began to stream regularly some weeks before debuts?

>>55415359
There's no way those heavenly bau baus come out of those faces.

>>55389067
I hold no ill will to anyone on EN, but FuwaMoco are simply a cut above the rest and that's the honest truth. We are sharing our astonishment for not knowing EN vtubers could be this good.

So who's making this particular bait thread this time? Anyone got any guesses?

>>55449096
>bait bait bait
Cope harder.

FWMC has TWELVE streams this week. Is anyone in Myth or Council hitting even half that?

>>55449806
Sure man totally not bait these are sincere organic posts made by sincere people who have no motive to shit on Myth/Council despite the fact FWMC would denounce you for doing such a thing.

>>55450208
They would probably say so for ~idol harmony~ reasons because they're professionals but there's no way the girls with this level of work ethic don't look down on the rest of HoloEN (really the entire west's) half-assed twitch-level phoning it in