/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

Isn't Mario Maker a debuff game at this point?

>>5535562
not enough data. but if it is I think it could only be considered a slight debuff right now.

>>5535474
Here's the complete version

>>5535864
>>5535474
Aqua is still struggling to get back to her old numbers huh

>>5535474
I love Coco mogging. But what I love the most is that ZERO Apex streams made the ranking. Nature is healing.

>>5535864
4 Nijis on the list, all male. What's Any color going to do next? People often said female Nijis aren't inferior to Holos but their numbers sure as hell are.

>>5536079
Manjisanji is a real thing, despite that one schizo trying to deny it.

>>5536079
It really saddens me to think that Luna has already surpassed her former gen mates notably bully panda. I don't know what's wrong with Nijisanji but they need to do something in order to save their female talents' careers.

>>5536072
not that Hal didn't try lol
https://vnuma.net/video-info/nW5tdf3BYwc

>>5535864
based yashiro

>>5535474
If Korone was as big a numberfag as Pekora, she would be in the top five consistently.

>>5536072
We're finally in the good timeline anons.

>>5536079
Maybe because Mito did not stream today?

>>5536079
Don't care. Enjoy having your holowhores mogged by someone with only a small fraction of their subs.

>>5536570
Are you asking a question you retarded redditor?

>>5536192
>>5536219
Seriously though. The bigger the numbers, the better, that's how real world works. That's why people don't watch female Nijis over Holos. Then there are women that want to watch male vtubers, they watch male Nijis because they have biggest numbers.

>>5536312
>If Korone was as big a numberfag as Pekora
she would have crashed and burned by now (like Haachama). Not everybody has the discipline to pull one stream a day every day no matter what no matter how they feel no matter if they’re bored like a salaryman.
That’s for a few like Marine and Pekora Ana the numbers reflect just that.

Korone streaming on a strict daily schedule could get Pekora numbers. Haachama could, even Ayala could. They just don’t have the autism required to pull that off.

Pekora is a hikkikomori that lucked out on being able to support herself doing what she would do for free anyway: spend her whole time in front of the computer talking with imaginary friends

>>5536589
Is this some sort of advanced cope mechanism?
>numbers relative to some arbitrary debuffing metric

Next you’ll be proposing “weight classes” for number comparisons, except instead of gravitational pull you’ll be weighting them by subs

>>5536810
Sub to view ratio is a good indicative of how entertaining someone is as a streamer. There's no one as entertaining as Toya in hololive. Simple as.

>>5536744
who tf is Ayala?

>>5536896
>Sub to view ratio is a good indicative of how entertaining someone is as a streamer
Sorry anon, I can’t hear you over the laughter of the cute princesses.
>can still smell the cope tho
It stinks of failure and body odor

This is the numbers thread. You take a numeric metric and measure it, you don’t divide it by subjective arbitrary ratios to create “entertainment factor” metrics.
You should start a “cope thread” for such high leveled coping mechanisms

>>5536998
Sorry, “Ayame”, my top of the line best of his class all American zero chink parts iPhone preemptively corrected my spelling and improved her name spelling

>>5536896
You're in the wrong thread my man, this is the numbers thread. The coping thread is two blocks down.

How does pekora minecraft stream #367 make it to over 40k? Is it really that entertaining?

Is this all she got?

>>5537192
>Is it really that entertaining?
It’s a recurring series with guaranteed special guests like Moona and others with ZERO need to even know Japanese to enjoy.
She must be pulling at very least 10, 15k EOP that watch exclusively her Micra streams skipping when she streams anything else

>>5537218
If kiara keeps being this bad Dante will never wish her a happy birthday

>>5536810
SEEEEEEEEEEXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

>>5537218
Her views have been frozen for a couple hours. Same thing happened with Gura at 500k iirc.

this is the fucking fastest growing video, my number brain is exploding

>>5537291
Iowa is not for lewds!

>>5537335
cope

>>5537337
>this is the fucking fastest growing video
Is it beating holoAlt PV?

>>5537087
>>5537138
What am I coping about? The numbers speak for themselves. He's above most holowhores with higher sub count than him there. Miko's peak was an anomaly because she was trying to draw a rare horse and the other two top streams have the MC festival buff. He beats everyone but Pekora in live viewers on a regular basis.

>>5537393
well, what's the numbers for pv 56h after release?

>>5537415
>The numbers speak for themselves
>(posts ratios and interpretative reasonings to make a smaller number rate above a bigger number)

< GIVE ME A C
> GIVE ME A O
< GIVE ME A E
> GIVE ME A P
WHAT DOES IT SPELL?

>>5537515
Ah yes, I can see why this upsets you because it perfectly demonstrates that your meme shark has dead subs and fanbase consisting of clipfags who aren't interested in watching her live since Toya mogs her.

>>5535474
>You need 2 ENs to get the #12 spot.
Kek

>>5537515
nigger!!

>>5537560
Anon.... that spells COEP.

>>5537588
FUcking! Meant for
>>5537515

>>5537515
anonchama, your ESL reps...

>>5536896
I don't know how you survived abortion anon but somehow you did. If only they had finished the job, before finding out how retarded you would turn out. Nijicope is unsightly.

>imagine hating the success of a cute anime shark so much you have to create a whole new branch of math to try to detract from her success
Haters and losers, please
>drinks vegemite

>>5537415
>>5537087
Luna is clearly the best streamer by the only metric that matters: VIEWERS/AGE.
I mean think about it anons, she is literally a 0 years old, a literal baby, yet she accomplished so much more than all those other grown-ass vtubers combined.
Luna is amazing, Luna is sexy adult princess hunter, Luna is a god in human skin. And I am but her humble servant.

>>5537708
anon if you multiply by 0 you get zero

>>5537683
Another ass sore reddit shark fan I see. Cope with Gura being boring as a streamer.

>>5537134
Why isnt there bikini pirate ENvtuber with that outfit?

>>5537737
if you DIVIDE by close but non-absolute zero you get infinite

>>5537697
please eleborate. what is this new math and who is that person in your picture?

>>5537708
>Luna is sexy adult princess hunter
Speaking of Luna and back to the only subject that matters in this thread
>raw numbers
I can only inagine how much the “zero years old princess” hurts her numbers.
Haachama figured that out all the way back before even 4th gen debut and changed the
>5 years old kindergarten genius girl
To
>18 years old genius girls

Lack of lewds and impure thoughts severely limit the rant a vtuber can navigate herself and there is not a lot of artists willing to take one for the team on that one, even in loliland

>>5537737
kek

>>5537797
so when you divide by absolute zero, you get more than infinite?

>>5537803
>what is this new math
If you take the number of chess, divide by the number of subs, multiply by some ratio I just made up in my mind and add the number of years since the Mayan calendar this anon at >>5536896 has a point and his math adds up

As for whose the chick? Who knows, but she drinks vegemite smugly and it illustrate perfectly the absurdity of the whole thing

>>5537876
well shit, lets count in vod view...

>>5536079
Nijiguys are above Nijigirls because the playing field is equal and men are generally better entertainers.
If Holostars and Hololive were treated the same, Holostars would also mog Hololive.

Surely none of this is news to you?

>>5537748
I'm not a gura fan anonchama. But seeing as me being one would make You seethe. I might have to reconsider.

>>5537938
Sorry anon, you need to at very least beat your CEO meme account in subs to even be able to get a seat in the table

>>5535562
Good content. don't care

>>5537938
>>5538038
Also; anons like to speak about dead subs. Any Holo failing to beat
>Choco fucking sub account
might as well graduate, kill themselves abs reincarnate as a slime or a spider

>>5537938
Exactly. The only female member who puts as much effort in being entertaining as Toya is Mito and her numbers are close to his. Holobronies need to realize the their '''''''talents''''''' are carried mostly by memes and clips, not actual entertainment value.

>>5538091
Stop larping as nijifags you retard.

>>5538091
they know they just don't care since they only watch clips

Tomorrow Usaken train is gonna be amazing.
What's your prediction ? I'm guessing it will average 30k, maybe falling down to 20k for some and top at 50k for Pegora.

>>5536896
holy cope

>>5537938
This. Woman dominating in streaming numbers is not the norm. But for vtubers it has pretty much been a thing since the beginning with Kizuna Ai. The shift to Males dominating may take a while but it'll eventually happen, but only when Vtubing becomes anime level mainstream(or hololive dying). But for now let's continue to enjoy the female mogging.

>>5538215
I doubt it will be reach around 50k for Pakora. She streams at a late-night (23.00 JST) and most of her viewer is Japanese.
I bet the peak is around 30k at best

>>5538091
This I don't agree with. You sound like a faggot. Go suck nijimale cock, nigga.

You anons seem to assume that most of the female-looking vtubers are actually female.

>>5538215
>>5538316
What? 50k are like migo and pekor combined viewers.

>>5536744
Korone eats debuff games for breakfast, she wouldnt even need to stream as much as peko to out up her numbers. playing incline games and getting ahead in FOTM games would put here there alone

Hey my Coco 100k but not high 100k prediction was pretty good

>>5538316
>I doubt it will be reach around 50k for Pakora
You’re underestimating the power of relaying, with a chuuba directing their audience to the next one.

Akukin relay should have cleared all doubts about the fact “the high tide lifting all the botes”.
If Usaken plays their cards and right you could be looking at 40k avg for ALL girls with Pekora peaking at 80k

>17:00 Botan (opening ceremony)
>17:30 Kanata
>18:00 Towa
>18:30 Watame
>19:00 Roboco
>19:30 Rushia
>20:00 Coco
>20:30 Polka
>21:00 Miko
>21:30 Mio (and Team Akukin)
>22:00 Noel
>22:30 Moona
>23:00 Pekora (Closing ceremony)
Let's see how many of them will make it into top 15.

>>5538473
It's going to be a straight flush I can feel it

>>5538356
are you saying some of the roommates are male? can you specify who? i will sub immediately

>>5536219
niji females are unsalvageable, nijiniggers know it and this is why they're trying to drag down hololive girls to their level instead.

>>5538588
Ange above every other female. stfu fag. Also don't watch her since I'm marrying her

>>5535864
1 HoloEN on the list, a collaboration. What's Cover going to do next? People often said HoloENs aren't inferior to HoloJP but their numbers sure as hell are.

>>5537843
I...guess so

>>5531419
Anon, Mori's entire account is a music buff passive. She is verified as a musician after all.

>>5531556
>>5531663
>>5531747
>I'd argue Birthday buff and my proof is Ina - she and Kiara were neck and neck until May when Ina got 30-40k ahead of Kiara to reach 1mil first a few days after her birthday
It wasn't the birthday buff. Ina's birthday buff kicked in almost immediately. Gura's buff only kicked in after the song dropped, and subs were marked after more than 12 hours. At arround 3pm EDT, I posted >>/vt/thread/S5441933#p5451195 to update on Gura's trending effects. And Gura has yet to stream or upload anything since the video dropped on Monday and she still is gaining daily subs above 10k even though normally, a 2-day break would slow her sub groth to below 10k daily.

>>5538699
That's literally the only en stream this entire day

>>5538473
For Micra streams in the past, eyeballing
Botan
>max peak is 22k, avgs between 10 and 15k
Kanata
>max 12k, avg 8k
Towa
>10k, 6k
Watame
>17k, 11k
Roboco
>?/?, doesn’t play enough micra
Rushia
>22k, 15k
Coco
>18k, 10k (without grad buff)
Polka
>8k, 6k
Miko
>25k, 16k
Akukin
>collectively 40k, 25k with Marine carrying and Aqua return buff
Noel
>11k, 8k
Moona
>8k, 4K (but “opening” for Pekora will buff her numbers)
Pekora
>45k, 35k

That’s doesn’t take in account the relay buff. Expect a 2x boost for the smallest girls and a 1.5 for the rest at very least.

Imagine being >>5538699 levels of retarded that you'd think that only one HoloEN streaming publicly in the past 24 hours means that HoloEN members aren't able to make the top 25 of VTubers on VNUMA.

I know you're baiting, you got your (You) so leave.

>>5538215
? thats kind of lowballing considering how Akukins relay did

>>5539875
>Even mel and aki had a buff
Why is Kanata there?

>>5539875
>Mel averaging 30k+
IIRC even Iofi picked up 30k

>>5539915
Kanata is working for both Usaken and Akukin. at least she was a few months ago

>>5539915
Su pai gori

>>5540044
kind of annoyed the site isngt showing Chocos and Akis numbers. i remember them both being in the 30k+ views

>>5540201
Aki numbers are there

>>5540201
>>5540518
Also based on Kanata numbers alone it shows how much people are underestimating the power of a relay
>if Kanata pulls Pekora numbers how high will Pekora go?

>>5540518
>>5540602
Iofi

>>5540518
yeah i noticed i was looking at her other stream for that day

>>5538473
I am a bit confused, is Botan gonna stream the whole thing on her channel, or are they gonna rotate?

>>5539875
That was on the peak of the pandemic though, so don't expect the same numbers

>>5536896
>Sub to view ratio is a good indicative of popularity.
Pewdiepie must be mostly unknown, without money, or of interest to anyone.

>10 days away from 3M
>a week away from Kizuna
Funny thing? If it was under her control Gura would pump the breaks and allow AÍ to beat her to avoid the pressure
(Pekora OTOH would likely dab on her effigie)

>>5541491
i am not expecting the same numbers i am expecting better ones.
1. More build up to this relay
2. More people taking part
3. Average views have risen for most holos

>>5541491
>That was on the peak of the pandemic though
Anon, in Japan there was not even a state of emergency in Tokyo.

>>5542132
>10
It's going to be a whole lot less as she gains on the big number, that's how it always is. I'm predicting by the end of the weekend.

>>5542270
Uhh we just had the third one lifted this Monday, actually. You probably need to read some news, anon.

>>5538122
Holofags need to keep up their boogeyman though.
The nijisanji menace is behind all negative posts about hololive. Much like the twitch english vtuber thing, it's just redditors and twitterfags trying to fit in.

>>5542408
Akukin was in January anon. It’s June now.
I stand corrected tho, they had just entered the second state of emergency a couple of weeks prior. Far from “peak” pandemics tho

>>5542558
Ah my bad, thought you were saying that Tokyo never had a state of emergency up until now. Need to up my English reps more.

Talk about THESE numbers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebFselq7xgQ

>>5542683
Yeah, I got it. 英語難しい

>>5542768
It’s not fair. These numbers are so low clicking this link would alter the analysis

>>5540823
Wow, hololive has a potential to clean sweep top thirteen. If you add Mori's unarchieve karaoke and Coco's mario party, then hololive might fill up top fifteen.

when gura passes kizuna ai this board will implode

Will somebody stop this shark?

>>5543158
I am the only one who found the song to be pretty boring?

>>5543210
Boring how? Name ONE song you do not find boring.

>>5543249
Ahoy
PekoMiko
Calli's

>>5543015
Not really, this thread always starts in the following order:
1. shitflinging between homolive and manjisanji.
The higher the occurrence of manjisanji the longer this phase will last.
2. shitflinging between the blue autists.
3. Whatever random stuffs happening today/tomorrow.
4. Go back to 1 and 2 in a random order, whichever the SEAniggers decide to reply.

>>5543309
>shit
>shit
>shit
Okay.

>>5543368
cope

>>5543368
What a predictable reply, I could have listed anything there and I did.

>>5543249
Not that anon. I didn’t disliked it but didn’t love it either. Had potential to be a “Myth&Roid”-like tune (like https://youtu.be/Te4gygJpvZ8 or https://youtu.be/j6TsX_7xlkU)) but unfortunately it fell prey to the problem that plagues Cover
>they settle with “good enough” instead of striving for perfection
The song is good, Gura did her best but the mix is all over the place with the beat and the bass are SMOTHERING the fuck out of Gura’s voice making it
>good but not great

Cover is smart tho: “good enough” has a better cost benefit then “don’t release it until it’s perfect”

>>5543433
And none of them would be any less boring than the song you were comparing them to.

>>5543337
All me by the way

>>5543584
What's your point retard?
>Reflect is the best song ever and everything else is boring?
Thanks for sharing, go eat your glue.

>>5543309
>Ahoy
It really is pretty fucking good, one if not my favorite holo original.
>Pekomiko
Not at all. It's generic and just your average poppy anime song.
>Calli's
Calli's what? what are you trying to say?
Red? Maybe, Red is great. Live again? I think they're in the same level, personally.

>>5543864
Sorry, those are just randoms songs from the top of my head, I just wanted to see anon's reply, which was of course predictable

>>5543696
seethe
>>5543944
dilate

>>5544063
Have sex

>>5543864
>Not at all. It's generic and just your average poppy anime song.
so the exact same as gura?

>>5536896
it's a good indicative of how interactive his sub base is. but one can also say he isn't entertaining enough because of his "low" sub count compared to nijis he debuted with, ones who debuted before him, and recent nijis. he's been glacial this entire year wrt to sub growth. i like kenmochi streams and your shitposting got a lot of (You)s so congrats but you can argue this both ways

>>5538699
It's a TTRPG stream that literally nobody but dead beats and KFP negros care about.

>>5544063
It's ok chumbud, I know you love your oshi but listen to her
https://streamable.com/0uqbzg

>>5543864
Ahoy is absolute top tier for me. I'm also very find of mogu and probably a dozen more. Reflect isn't excellent but I'm very happy with it for a first song. Very excited for what is to come, but the next big thing for me is likely Inas Violet

>>5544908
Violet is probably gonna be kpop meets bakemonogatari.

>>5544810
This cracked me up. Nice one anon, nice one

>>5536744
>A stream everyday
>Marine and Pekora
>Marine
Marine barely streams more than Gura. I think you meant Miko and Watame. They are the only ones who stream nearly as much as Pekora does.

>>5543158
No, and just think, it's going to get another boost when she has her stream talking about it tonight. I think 4 million by the end of the week is going to happen with an outside chance of 5 million depending on the boost her stream gives it. Its a really good song too so that helps.

>>5545053
Sounds fun. I don't listen to kpop at all really but from what I remember it's pretty catchy most of the time

>>5545207
Marine has 20 streams in the 23 days that have passed in June. She steamed 22 times in April and 18 times in May, IIRC due to a health issue (or that bullshit Yaoi thing?).
It’s not Pekora tier but it’s way above average

Honestly, the quality of a song 95% depends on the level of the composer
The best songs are made by the big name composers
Ahoy - ARM
Mogu Mogu Happy - PinnochioP
Nenenenenene - Higedriver
Azamina - Masayoshi Minoshima (Probably most popular from Bad Apple)

This is why I'm kind of worried about the 4th gen original song in a few days. Apparently it's composed entirely by Kanata, so it'll probably sound amateurish. Hoping it'll at least be full of SOUL

>>5546236
numbers?

>>5543210
>boring
That’s subjective, so everyone will think differently. I found Gura’s song to be the complete opposite, as it seemed to change up quite a bit to keep it interesting. Honestly, the only way we can test if people like it is the thumb up to thumb down ratio.

>>5546332
Better composers make "better" songs that get better numbers
Gura's song probably wouldn't have been so divisive if she didn't pick such a niche composer
I like Reflect for its character, but it's not a looper earworm that'd give numbers

>>5546594
And by numbers I mean it could've been more considering her fanbase is twice the size of any other holo

>>5537389
Anon it did literally freeze for I think around 2 hours, that is normal youtube behavior.
Now you can say that 300k in 8 hours isn't much to which I'll just call you retarded

>>5546594
>I like Reflect for its character, but it's not a looper earworm that'd give numbers

Anon... it's almost at 2.5 mil views in less than 3 days

People are looping the fuck out of it

>>5547515
Gura could have uploaded a fart compilation as an original song and it would have gotten 1 million in a day or so.

>>5547515
I've listened to it like 50 times already, lol. It just gets better everytime I loop it.

>>5546594
How was the song divisive? Are you basing this on numbers?

>>5547826
5 schizos have complained about it. It is divisive as fuck.

>>5547730
Subs don't automatically mean views. Look at the views of Pekora, Korone, and Aqua's originals songs after a few months. Reflect already surpassed them all in literally 3 days. GHOST lagged behind in the beginning and now exceeded them too, because good songs have good legs. Reflect is going to get 10 mil earlier than we think.

>>5547947
>>Every chumbud on every numbers thread preaching about her vod views
Don't backpedal now. You're comparing to holoJPs who means "subs means live views".

>>5548263
NTA but what are you on about? The direct comparison here is to music releases, and he's not really wrong in either of his statements considering each situation. Every nousagi shitposter on the thread tries to knock Gura for her inconsistent live views and constantly brushes aside the fact that she does get more mileage out of her videos after they're done.

But we're not talking about lives, this is the real YouTube bread and butter: video uploads. On this side of the fence, short videos (especially music videos) will get better views and people will continue watching (or listening) based on whether the content is actually interesting. Gura even has an advantage here because she has the algorithm on her side and it will feed her shit to everyone who some much as gives a glancing look at VTubers (especially Hololive) from even a tangentially connected channel. It's ridiculous how easily shit related to her goes trending compared to her peers.

>>5547931
None of my weeb friends liked it (asked 3). It kinda sounds a bit old-fashioned and reminds me of kids-songs from various talent shows.

>>5547947
Gura's song sounds average to me but I still lopping the hell out of it because I want to encourage her to makes more songs that fit her style. She does better with slower songs like sky fall, scientist, or electric love, etc.

June last vs June this year(ongoing)

6/1-6/23 24:00

\30,021,881 Coco
\14,992,234 Rushia
\ 7,906,090 Watame
\ 7,273,459 Marine
\ 7,242,444 Pekora
\ 5,802,797 Kanata
\ 5,210,620 Lamy
\ 4,858,685 Nene
\ 4,834,214 Aqua
\ 4,470,322 Korone
\ 4,178,998 Flare
\ 3,121,078 Okayu
\ 2,693,683 Noel
\ 2,658,018 Matsuri
\ 2,593,704 Subaru
\ 2,255,601 Miko
\ 1,972,904 Fubuki
\ 1,786,101 Botan
\ 1,661,432 Mio
\ 1,517,222 Aki
\ 1,477,489 Roboco
\ 1,413,229 Polka
\ 1,288,471 Suisei
\ 1,044,681 Haachama
\ 961,058 Towa
\ 651,157 Luna
\ 597,216 Shion
\ 585,738 Sora
\ 421,535 Choco
\ 183,034 Meru
\ 0 Ayame

>>5548764
There's no accounting for taste. Anecdotal evidence is hardly qualification to make a statement like "Gura's song is divisive".

why is she so popular?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hNPMSu9Zis

>>5548707
>Every nousagi shitposter on the thread tries to knock Gura for her inconsistent live views and constantly brushes aside the fact that she does get more mileage out of her videos after they're done.


Imagine being that retard that argues for VOD views when they are LIVE streamers that live off of donations from LIVE viewers when they are LIVE

Do VODs give superchats/donations? No? Then shut the fuck up with your useless metrics.

>B-but muh vod views
That means Chumbabies are fucking retards that won't even take one hour of their day to watch their "oshi". They probably just look at her numbers and masturbate at the thought of it getting bigger.

That why we respect Nousagis here, even the shitposters: at least they watch their oshi.

>>5548819
>She does better with slower songs
That’s actually true of music in general. Usually if you have a really good singer, you slow or quiet the music a bit to enhance the clarity of the voice; however, if the singer isn’t very good, you speed or increase the volume of the music. Sort of like when you hear a really amazing voice and notice the music went very soft and slow.

>>5548764
>my weeb friends
Let me guess, your weeb friends wear MHA shirts, have a Persona 5 wallet, and endlessly quote Jojo memes no matter the situation right?

>B-but muh vod views
Oh hey it that schizo again.

>>5549611
The mental gymnastics nousagi play to cope with the fact that more people watch Gura than they do Pekora is the best part of these threads. Your tears give me sustenance NouFAGi.

>>5549611
>argues for VOD views
YouTube is mostly about VOD views. That’s a fact that is undeniable.

>>5549611
>we
also stop falseflagging as a nousagi, retard

The amount of YouTube that is watching offline (be it upload or VOD) is vastly higher than live. It’s what the entire platform is based on. Gura is retarded not to have done occasional uploads sooner, as it would have given her great sub growth too, because it’s easier for people to find the channel by finder her songs.

>>5549611
why must one metric not allowed to be discussed? this is the numbers thread not the live viewer count thread. if you're mad one is better than the other then take it to one of their generals or something

>>5549858
>more people watch Gura than Pekora

Early June Numbers:
Pekora - 26,000
Gura - 18,000

Nice opposite world you live in bruv, I didn't know 18k is "more" than 26k

Chumbuds vods fagging again.
kek.

Imagine being >>5549611 levels of retarded that you would think that Hololive's talent is so heavily dependent on patronage (not 'donations', you illiterate fuck) and not advertising and sponsorships where the real money is.

>>5549611
Anon, I think you are arguing in bad faith here. Not every person can catch a stream in the middle of the night. To ignore VOD views would be stupid because it's a valid number to compare like all the others. Whether VOD views or average live viewers are more important is dependent on the streamer. For a streamer who wants to capitalize on the global market, VOD views are a better metric for success. For a streamer in Japan, average live viewers are the best metric because their viewers are most likely to be in the same timezone (i.e. japanese isn't a highly used language in the world).

Yesterday's superchats

>>5550061
Because it's a pointless metric?

Do we argue which Channel has the most likes or dislikes? Which Tweet has the nost likes and retweets? Which Vtuber has the most hours streamed? No, because in the end those numbers don't matter; like VOD views for LIVE STREAMERS which you faggots seem to always try to forget

>>5550067
>Gura Average Views
649,320
>Pekora Average Views
443,973

>Gura's First Original Song
2,543,226 views in 2 days
>Pekora's First Original Song
1,826,412 views in 6 months

Go back to arguing with Nijiniggers about Kuzuha nouFAGI. Your dumb rabbit can't hang with the shark.

>>5550067
I think he means more views in general for Gura, meaning not just including live views. Which is true. It’s even possible Gura will end up with the highest views on an upload in time.

Nice tomoe

>>5550158
Look at this chumbaby - complaining that "he can't watch his little sharkie because he has to sleep"

Boo fucking hoo

Pekora can get 30k viewers at JP night time

Korone consistently gets 10k viewers during 24 hour streams

But chumbabies can't watch Gura when it's past their bed time? Cry me a fucking river

>>5550193
>pointless
the point of this thread is to discuss numbers and the reasons behind them, if you wanted to numberfag about likes and dislikes you can go ahead. someone posted a list of holomems twitter followers a few threads ago too. i don't even watch gura or pekora i'm just here to discuss number trends, but you all keep getting triggered one number is bigger than the other and start these pointless arguments

stop replying to the fake nousagi baits already

>>5550214
cumkeks have to cope to with views, how low they have fall

>>5550378
It's incredible how easy it is to derail a number thread

>>5548707
Actual nousagis do not give a fuck about EN scene and watch JP only. No reason to shit on Gura. If anything - any EN success is good for us as it promotes brand.

To be a Gura hater you need to care about en scene and has another EN chuuba to root for or be a Hololive hater in general.

None of which is applicable to nousagis.

Source: I'm nousagi.

>>5550378
I don't know if it fake or not but holy kek this nutsagi need med.

Can we all stop pretending it’s one or the other? The metric of success for YouTube is live views, VOD views, upload views, subscriber number, member number, and SC amount. Then even Twitter followers, etc. Add it all together and you have success.

>>5550193
>Because it's a pointless metric?
It is literally YouTube's key public metric, one that they're so anal about keeping accurate that they would freeze your view counter and pass all your viewers through a validation process just to make sure it's accurate.

>Do we argue which Channel has the most likes or dislikes?
A metric of engagement used to feed you more content suitable to your tastes. This isn't particularly useful to numberfag unless it's the streamer that's doing it.
>Which Tweet has the most likes and retweets?
Twitter doesn't work the same way YT works. Likes and Retweets spread the tweet further and that's how things go viral in the first palce, but it isn't particularly useful unless the chuuba is using Twtter as a platform for something other than PR re-print.
>Which Vtuber has the most hours streamed?
This is part of YT's internal key metrics, along with how many of those hours have been watched by viewers.
>No, because in the end those numbers don't matter; like VOD views for LIVE STREAMERS which you faggots seem to always try to forget
You could have just said that you're retarded and we would have understood your point.

>>5536570
who?

>>5535474
wow, two nijis

pretty good showing for them

>>5537805
i heard that the "0 years old" thing was actually the resutl of a shitty attempt to translate somthing that meant "ageless"

in which case, ow, what a bad break

>>5549611
>Do VODs give superchats/donations?
https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/9632365?hl=en&ref_topic=9257589

Though to be fair, I've only seen this on Matsuri's and Roboco's videos and Roboco turned hers off shortly after getting it.

Gura just said there's going to be a MV for Reflect that is still being worked on. As a numberfag, it's going to be sad to see the views split between 2 videos.

But then who knows? Calli said she's making MVs for all the tracks in her Red EP and it's been 2 months of no news.

>>5548958
I wonder what ens number is

If chumbuds are more keen to posting vod instead of live because its the more important metric then why is the Op a ranking of live views??

>its another nousagi vs chumbuds thread
Fuck me there is more going on you autismos

>>5555180
The moment Gura gets brought up the thread goes to shit.

>>5555180
uhh tomoe 3D in 2 days place predictions i guess

>>5555440
Well that true cuz Gura makes schizos seethe just by existing.

>>5537797
If any number divided by zero is infinity, then infinty multiplied by zero gets us any number. But the premise to assuming that any number divided by zero being infinity is the multiplication of any number by zero being zero.

>>5555983
shut the fuck up infinity is not a number.

>>5556054
Finally, someone in this thread that isn't a complete retard.

>>5554430
>because its the more important metric
It only in your head, nobody said that.
Numbers thread are for discussing any kind of number like VOD, super chat, subs, like, etc not just live viewers.
Those guys were discussing Gura's song number and suddenly some schizo just shitting on her by saying that live viewer is the only metric that matters.

>>5537515
It spells COEP you fucking retard.

>>5550214
Gura has almost double amount of subs.

>Gura Subs
2.91M
> Pekora Subs.

>Gura Ratio:
~0.223

>Pekora Ratio:
0.288

With that in mind Pekora would be getting 838,935 viewers if she had same amount of subs. That's almost 30 percent increase.

>>5555500
Manjisanji, the other fags will make cameos and his stream will hit at least 50k.

>>5558095
>tomoe
>his
?

>>5557887
Subs/views does not work linearly like that.
Just a simple example, almost everyone in hololive gets ridiculous sub growth, but their actual live viewer numbers have not changed much since last year. Pekora gets around the same numbers she got in January 2021 despite gaining 400k subs since. Matsuri recently crossed the 1 mil threshold, but her live viewers are still stuck in the 4000-6000 range.
A LOT of people sub because they like a content creator but don't watch all their content. Do you watch every video released by everyone you sub to? I know I don't.

>>5557887
Are you by any chance familiar with >>5536896 ?

http://poal.me/h4i18q
http://poal.me/h4i18q
http://poal.me/h4i18q

>>5557887
Does that mean 1 sub 1 view gonna surpass all vtubers?
higher subs tend to have low ratio is common

>>5558169
Oh, a she? 35k peak, then.

>>5538563
anon, he just pull that shit out of his own ass. Assumed we didn't already know most of chuuba's roommate at this point.

>>5536589
Anon, chin has been being mogged hard when he stopped doing chit chats and focused playing games.
Now is back on chit chats but it can only take him so far because, unironically, one of his appeals is that he doesn't stream much, thus making any new stream of him a buff.
But if he stars streaming frequently then he will recline...again.

>>5558272
>>5558462
>>5558939
That's not what I meant. Look at holo data twitter account. They provide various information. Or playboard. Although I don't know their method and of which period they come.

Deny as much as you want but the fact that Gura speaks english gives her enough boost. As in:

First, much wider audience is available to reach out. After all it's global language. ~ 1.35 billion speak english.

Second, this makes her context wide reach.

Pekora streams usually at 21/22 JST. A late evening. That's early morning hours in America and working in Europe. The fact that she manages to pull 20k+ consistent live stream viewers is impressive.

>>5560238
Anon, none of us are saying Pekora's numbers bad. How can anyone even say they're bad? Any numberfag knows Pekora is the queen of live viewers, it's not even close. We're saying your attempt to underplay Gura's numbers with sub/views ratio is flawed because it doesn't work like that. They both get good numbers, it's just different circumstances.
The anon you replied to is just trying to stir shit so ignore his bait.

>>5538379
Pretty sure nobody watches Korone for the games. She could read the damn phonebook and her view count would probably not budge.

She carries streams on her cuteness and meme cred (and sometimes morbid appreciation for her Determinator endurance streams)

>>5535474
June has been a very buffed month.

>Hololive JP June median views

Pekora 33,023(23)
marine 26,922(20)
Coco 26,650(26)
Miko 20,474(17)
Aqua 19,002(8)
Subaru 18,096(18)
Rushia 17,672(16)
Korone 17,115(16)
Watame 15,228(21)
Mio 14,833(11)
Kanata 14,329(22)
Suisei 13,753(16)
Botan 13,660(19)
Fubuki 11,880(23)
Noel 11,303(14)
Okayu 11,134(15)
Nene 10,641(13)

Lamy 9,207(20)
Flare 8,985(18)
Polka 8,250(10)
Towa 7,143(17)
Matsuri 6,377(20)
Luna 5,788(8)
Choco 4,962(15)
Roboco 3,105(23)
Sora 3,052(14)
Aki 3,027(11)
Mel 1,899(7)

Pekora broke 30,000+ median views and the last time a vtuber broke that was on January 2021.
There are 17 holos that have 10,000+ median views this month

number of holos that has a median view of 10,000+ in a month

>2020
January 2
February 4
March 5
April 7
May 7
June 11
July 9
August 17
September 16
October 19
November 21
>anti-spam views December 14 happened
December 12
>2021
January 13
February 15
March 11
April 14
May 10
June 17

Quite impressive tbqh and after spam views too.

>>5560844
Why are the ens blacked out in the chart you posted?

>>5560535
Korone has a pretty loyal viewerbase but she's not immune to debuff games. Her numbers when playing boomer games like Solo Frontier are so debuffed that it's a fraction of her normal views. Just look at her May and June numbers and compare Solo Frontier with some FOTM like Night Delivery.

https://vnuma.net/streamer/monthly-history/0ecf3b35d1d34c028f9bf7bc327e56d6/2021-05
https://vnuma.net/streamer/monthly-history/0ecf3b35d1d34c028f9bf7bc327e56d6/2021-06

The Doog plays whatever she wants tho

>>5560903
because im only numberfagging the JP branch and counting would be easy for numberlets and doubters.

>>5560443
Okay, I am just tired.

>>5561014
Well numberfag the en branch too or give us the link so we can do our own numberfagging

>>5560535
>>5560934
My bad, the game is called SaGa Frontier. Remastered for Switch but from 1997 originally.

>>5560844

Wait, I am confused. Where the chart comes from? I can only see up to april. No may and no june data

>>5543309
>PekoMiko

>>5561088
Check archives, theres an anon numberfagging EN may and june data

>>5561444
I got the may data from the previous thread, and june ehh 5ch but you could do your own numberfagging in vnuma right now and it is still ongoing.

>>5535474
Noob question: which website is this from?

>>5562524
https://vnuma.net/trend/

>>5562570
Thank you.

>>5537192
Peko minecraft is fucking hilarious man, even if you don't know Japanese.

>>5564712
>>>/vt/thread/S5488661#p5501001
>3 million views are at about 2.5 days away at the current rate.
Should be sometime today (or tomorrow at the current rate). As of current, Reflect reached more than 2.7M views.

>>>/vt/thread/S5488661#p5501001
>3 million views are at about 2.5 days away at the current rate.
Should be sometime today (or tomorrow at the current rate). As of current, Reflect reached more than 2.7M views.

>>5541394
> Relay

>>5565347
I think western viewers are generally stuck on stereotypes, just because it's a certain game it sucks. Hololive MC have always been entertaining with engagement in-game and simple events.

>>5565693
Minecraft is at its best when there's like 30+ players on the server.

>>5535474
What happened to that ayybegs tournament the nijiniggers were hyping up? Did it bring in 30063k viewers like they predicted it would?

>>5566071
It looks like the relay is starting good with 27k viewers starting with Botan right now

>>5564712
that's a lot of money for a stream scheduled for tomorrow

>>5566340
you're so late. commentators brought 90k ish and no one but falseflaggers thought it would hit 200k because every comparison stream brought up was tournaments hosted for the best performing apex players, not a bunch of shitters chihiro invited for fun to stomp on

>>5566389
Damn, and most JP folks are still at work.
This is gonna be pretty big.

>>5566463
I notice that a lot of the girls that do play in the afternoon are girls like Pekora and Botan. They attract a lot of young viewers

I am prepared to be dissapointed in the numbers in this relay. But I'm open to your thoughts. Tell me anons on why this relay will get 40k each segment.

>>5566442
>Invite half your company and professional esports fucking players/commentators
>90k
hohohohihihiHAHAHAHA

The numbers for today are looking to be very delicious. Pekora will have the highest peak for sure.

>>5566697
when you see shibuhal's performance in that tournament you'll understand

>>5566340
>>5566442
It was actually 50-66k for 90% of the stream. At certain points during downtime, it dropped to 40k. It only spiked to 99k at the very end when everyone in the tournament ended their streams and funneled the viewers to the main stream.

https://vnuma.net/video-info/FwAEI7h8vx8

>>5566657
> Tell me anons on why this relay will get 40k each segment.
Pekora gets 40k on Minecraft by herself on a good day. This is a hyped relay stream so Pekora herself will at least get 50k at the very end of the relay.

The peak is looking at 31k right now with Kanata which is good. Once this hits JP primetime, it will only go bigger because Botan is playing big brain putting the big ones like the akukin team, Miko, and Pekora at the end.

>>5566960
30k+ on kanata rn, wow if they keep this up or maintain at least 20k they might sweep the board this time

>>5567078
>like the akukin team, Miko, and Pekora at the end.
Don’t discount Moona as well, specially given that she’ll be the “opening” for Pekora main event

>>5567078
>Botan is playing big brain putting the big ones like the akukin team, Miko, and Pekora at the end.
Noel...

This is the first time Towa has had 30k+ viewers since her costume stream on May 7th. If we don't count that, idk how long it's been since she last got 30k. I went back to October 2020 found nothing close. This is huge for her.

>>5567557
She got 45k on her anniversary live I'm pretty sure

>>5567348
>>5567466
Botan lined them up well. Towa is in between Kanata and Watame. Both have above 10k viewerships in MC. Roboco after and then Rushia. Coco and then Polka (always lowest in numbers in the shiranui collabs), then Miko, Mio (technically Akukin), then Noel (her big views was never her gaming streams), then Moona and Pekora.

>>5567557
She got 50k for 3D band concert. Her numbers also go above 10k during utaites.

>>5567628
70k

>>5567657
Also 54k in January because she hosted Mario Kart event IIRC.

This stream tho is a top 5 for her in 2021 with her average being way under 10k / stream. Big numbers, big brain for the people doing these relay events

>>5567629
>Mio (technically Akukin)
I believe Mio will bring Marine and Aqua again and the viewership will likely cross 50k

>>5567628
>>5567657
>>5567706

Thanks VNUMA didn't have stats for Dec and Jan. I remember seeing 40k when I watched her Band live but couldn't verify it.

Still irks me to this day on how Niji is able to get better tech and music studio because of that 17 million dollar investment from Sony M. Without it, both HL and Nijisanji would have comparable tech for their vtubers.

>>5567822
Let's be honest, Cover is a tech company so they're gonna use their own tech even if they know it's inferior. Still sad tho.

>>5567773
I think her Eternal club crossed above 20k. She definitely has big number streams but they are spread all over because she of all the tournaments she participated in

>>5567822
>Still irks me to this day
Why? Also this: >>5567867

Cover Corp is a tech startup for inexpensive Live2D software that work with off the shelf inexpensive devices whose operation can be done even by fresh out of high school teenagers.
Expecting "better tech" from them is dumb as fuck, given the value proposition they are trying to sell.

>>5567822
>>5567867
Watch Okayu's 3D concert. The camere work, directing and 3D details are 10x better now. So I wouldn't say that they lagging behind. It's a good sign that their HR hired professionals that knows their shit.

>>5567867
Of course, Cover's tech is inferior. They still need a lot of money to fund their 3D tech while paying salaries for their talents and employees. 17M is game changer because Anykara is able to afford several suits like the ones CodeMiko uses, still have enough to upgrade their facilities and pay better salaries for their employees.

>>5567953
I think they upped their game somehow, I noticed how from 1st was kind of good.

>>5567953
Also, another thing to point out that their talents are being feature everywhere now. Their deal with Good Smile is amazing. Getting more than half a merch deal like that is impressive. It's just one big deal after another. It's a sign that they have a larger workforce compared before.

>>5567998
I know they were hiring stage directors and people that has experience with concerts and stuff.

For anyone who thinks cover or any colour's 3d is bad, please take a look at 774's 3d, the third largest company in the industry.

>>5567981
Cover's boom only happened a year ago so the efforts of any improvement should show around this time. Which is evident.

>>5558095
>>5559005
You can see how this fag is so retarded and know nothing about nijisanji that he thought tomoe is a man.

The retard also thinks that Tomoe will get 35k peak with Crossick existing.

>>5568072
Just because they have a lot of talents doesn't mean they are big. They are still a small company of maybe less than 50-100 employees. 3D tech involves a lot of crunch. It's either you do that which takes time or outsource everything that requires a ton of money

>>5567936
>>5567953
>>5568094
They're still improving in that department, but there's still no signs of large investments like what Sony made to AnyKara considering that Hololive able to gain thousands of viewers locally and globally now

>>5567822
What the fuck are you smoking? Nijisanji has better tech than Cover much before Sony Music invested in them.

>>5567953
I watched Okayu's concert in 480p cuz of shitty internet so I'll watch it again soon. Cover's 3D is still "bad" in my mind because my freshest memories are Coco's 3D bday, where her hair clipped through her neck like a hundred times and she straight up froze/lagged at multiple moments during her performances at the end. Reallyyyyy hope Cover brings their A game for her graduation live because the 3D for her Bday was very unimpressive.

>>5568158
Their investors are on of the biggest banks is JP. I don't think it's a matter of concern. Their girls are cash cows that generates money from sponsorships and concerts. Thus to push more concerts. Even without a globablly well known investor, they are still able to splurge with that holoalt and the tons of hiring sprees they are doing. I think they are doing fine.

>>5568072
No one says it's bad except for a few falseflaggers. They look even better than HL, and some of the livers are using 3D in their streams now. It was evident that they were able to get them from the huge boost Sony M gave to them. Not saying it's bad to use the money to upgrade, but they weren't playing on the same playing field as Hololive in the past year and they still get lesser numbers.

>>5568237
Holoalt at this moment looks like a money drain. I fucking hope that whatever game they are making to tie in with that holoalt will pay for that.

>>5568158
>>5568176
Again, Cover "tech problem" is by design. Their whole value proposition is to provide live2D (and 3D) that can be done with off the shelf equipment, without expensive hardware, software or suits.
It will never be top shelf because then it wouldn't be inexpensive or would require complicated operational procedures.
The fact they're an "entertainment company" now too muddy the waters because people would expect them to compete in that area on equal footing with other agencies but the entertainment company part of their business is a sideshow.

They are a tech startup trying to become an "unicorn", a billion dollar company selling widgets. The fact they lucked out on hiring entertaining girls to demo their products and became worldwide idols is just that, pure accidental luck.

>>5568245
I hope all of those money they got from Bilibili and all those sponsorships would be enough to satisfy their investors. Because I don't see any big ticket money deals except that VirtualReal.

>>5568273
That was two years ago, they've stopped being a "tech company looking to sell inexpensive live2d equipment" the moment they hired gen 3

>>5568263
Whatever merch they make for HoloAlt will easily pay off however much they spend on the project. The hype is there, they just need to produce the products for people to spend their money on.

Watame is at 39K now.

>>5568273
I don't think they're trying to be a tech company anymore, I think they are transitioning to an entertainment company

Watame already hit 40k.

>>5560844
that's pretty low except Pekora, especially Marine lower than normal

>>5568319
Their hiring sprees only started last year and early this year so they are probably playing it safe by using their profits to show stability and get more money from investors.

>>5568361
A juicy 40k baton to pass to Roboco, who is next in the relay.

>>5568358
That is evident with their focus on who they were hiring in the background. Lots of focus in production and 3D tech and games

>>5568245
>and some of the livers are using 3D in their streams now
Sora/Roboco have been doing that for years now.

>Miko streaming during Coco's relay and then doing relay after
why is she a fucking bitch like this?

>>5568319
>>5568358
>they are transitioning
That's true. But if you pay attention to Kanata 3D Live
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPHng8urnYY
and all of those small 3D segments she released along the time in that church interacting with Towa (and in other scenarios interacting with other girls) it seems to point to the direction that Cover is developing some sort of interactive inexpensive 3D environment (like VRChat) based on motion capture without suits.

>>5568245
>>5568456
I think most of the girls up to gen 3 + Coco have Home3D too so it's not that exclusive. They just don't use it because their Live2D is fine and easier to set up/less glitchy.

>>5568112
Crossick is my favorite BL pair

>>5568456
remember when sora and roboco showed their hands? While I think they stopped becoming a tech company, they are trying to improve their tech.

>>5568506
Hey genius, it's a pre-recorded premiere of a video on the official Hololive channel. Miko doesn't decide when to air it.

>>5535984
How many did she get before?

>>5568552
Don't respond to bait. Its been a good 2 hr without dramafags and falseflaggers shitting this thread.

>>5568552
>Cover treating Coco like shit again
imagine my shock.

>>5568561
20k ish

>>5568626
Sorry you seem lost, this is the numbers thread, not the bugmen falseflagging thread, you want someplace else

>>5568673
Scheduling a premiere in Coco's slot seems inconsiderate, no?

>>5568527
Yeah, but have you seen Fuwa's hands on his stream. That shit looks better than the ones Sora, Roboco and Miko put out.

>>5568583
>>5568652
20k playing whatever, 25k+ playing Apex or the FOTM hype stream. Aqua got 50k for her return karaoke so the hype is still there, just takes a bit of time to catch up.

>>5568516
I think it's going to be the same with Vark that they also do. Concerts with more interactions. That draws a lot of money. The yukimins went crazy there. For sure Nene's husbands will go crazy there too.

>>5535984
>>5568561
Her avg for June so far is 22k.
Her avg in September 2020 was around 16k.
Her avg for the last 260 videos whose data is available on Holostats is around 18k.

I have no idea of what anon is talking about.

>>5568683
It's fucking relay, there is an occupied "slot" every 30 minutes for the whole day.

>>5568714
I think all home3D hands are janky shit that looks bad. It's only value is when the vtuber uses it well for comedic effect like Miko here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CWNWddrxd8

With that said, I can't agree that Fuwa's hands looked better. Dude's fingers were so fucking long that his hands looked gross man.

Had to stop the relay and watch Legends of Polka. That girl is funny.

Don't fall for rrat. Cover releases these pre-recorded vids at the same timeslot at the same day of the week.

>>5568683
A lot of the other girls also scheduled regular streams and a collab as well including Coco in the middle of the relay. So I doubt the girls involved in the relay cares about the overlap.

>>5568842
they would know it if they actually watch the streams but of course they dont

Roboco is debuffing the numbers by 10k. Aw man. I hope it goes up when Rushia starts. 29k is still good for Roboco

>Roboco peaking around 30k
Big brain move by the girls there, spreading the wealth around with the girls. Luna is still with her wrist hurt or something?

>>5568883
it will, the same happened during Akukin relay with Iofi, Mel and the others

Why is Holo's Maruyama doing worse than Niji's Levergacha numbers wise? Niji is like 3 times overall smaller and less well-known than Hololive and the official channel itself has way less subscribers than Holo.

>>5568790
>>5568714

https://youtu.be/qEnOCFh6v-E?t=2396
^What I meant about his fingers being weirdly long and his hands being gross-looking

>>5568883
also we are still not in JP prime time

>>5568893
She's practicing for her live

>>5568893
Luna and Marine have their own program.

>>5568883
>>5568898
>>5568913
Roboco debuff was not that strong, 5k below peak

>>5568954
It's a concert

>>5568908
>Maruyama
>Levergacha
Who?

>>5568893
Botan really did a big brain move here, before roboco, watame increased viewership by 5K, towa and kanata had around 34K so roboco didnt decrease the viewership by a lot nor made it loose momentum, The heavy hitters are still to come so the viewership should still increase.

>>5568273
Nijisanji also has the same mindset, with the exception that their 3d technology is much better. Cover prefers to invest in live 2D instead.

>>5568978
I see salaryman-tachi are already coming back from work

>>5568908
It's a new show. The numbers though is not that bad. 469k, 303k and 236k. They just need to keep producing content. It's like holo gra in the beginning. Choosing guests like Miko is a smart choice to boost numbers

>>5569077
also its EOP friendly since they have subs

>>5569005
Maruyama is this weekly show that's posted on the Hololive channel. Levergacha is a weekly show that's posted on Niji's channel.

>>5568908
Holofan here who only watches Maruyama and not Levergacha. Maruyama isn't that fun for me because it feels kinda scripted and forced. The girls feel like they're overacting their reactions and reducing themselves to their caricatures. Also, it's not that interesting to see them play video games because we watch them play games like MHR on their normal streams anyways. The show is still really young and has yet to find it's pace yet so I think it'll get better as more episodes come out.

Levergacha has been running for more than year now. Everyone knows what they're doing on the show. It's like a chill talk stream with popular Nijis and they play some game in the 2nd half. I think they've also done some video reaction segments? Overall, Levergacha has an established audience and feels less scripted and overacted.

In time, Maruyama might overtake it, but rn I think it's just not a very good show.

>>5569077
And the last one was heavily debuffed because it aired at the exact same time as coco's birthday Iive

>>5568909
Yeah it looks long, but seems to track better. Probably using some kind of gloves or something

>>5569121
The producers of the show are said to be changing gears and letting the girls react more naturally rather than follow a script. At least that's what Subaru said.

>>5568908
Nijisanji feels like daily life gintama shit like gaki no tsukai whereas Hololive is more fantasy anime shit. Compare their snack time vs hologura and some pvs like holoalt.

>>5568909
Yeah those hands do track better than Miko's but they still look disgusting. Then you have to factor in that Fuwa isn't half as good of an entertainer as Miko which makes Miko's hands overall much better.

>>5569077
>>5569121
Why are you saying it like it's gonna get more viewers the longer it goes when most people just dropped the thing on first premier because it's shit?
How about guessing the numbers of live viewers it's going to get? I say 15k because horse racing is the hottest shit right now and Miko's popularity is only below Pekora.

>>5569256
I don't think it's comparable, that snack time is a cringy piece of shit while Hololive's short anime is actually good. While their game programs are both equally bad.

>>5569121
>Maruyama is this weekly show that's posted on the Hololive channel.
Gotta say they're failing miserably in promoting it. I watch all things Hololive and this is the first time I hear of it

>>5569324
cause those how a weekly program works, do you think hologra was popular or good since the beginning? same thing with snack time, its just starting and they are learning

>>5569324
Because the views are inreasing. Their 3rd episode gained 236k views in 6 days. Levergach 404k in 6 days. Not that far off considering that this is a new show that is still experimenting the elements that works or what not.

>>5569557
Not to mention Levergacha is in decline hitting more than 1M views over 5 months ago.

>>5569121
Didn't know there was a short show like that in Hololive. I always thought it was a sponsored stream or something and it only has 4 episodes. Give it time, people like me would watch them when they knew it was a legit show. Plus, I got a reason to see their channel and had my sides burst open seeing their attempt on HL's ochame kinou was Nyan cat. It was laughable.

>>5569324
Premiere ep peak live viewers: 30k
2nd ep (Lamy) : 13k
3rd ep (Noel): 12k

Noel's ep premiered at the exact same time as Coco's Bday Asacoco stream so it basically got no eyes. I think something big was happening at the same time to Lamy's episode too because I didn't watch it live lol. They just got their thunder stolen because Hololive has an even bigger event going on at the same time.

Miko's ep should do way better than the previous eps because she's more popular, but it overlaps with Coco's segment of the Usaken relay. Here's the thing, Maruyama premieres at Japan primetime so it clashes with Hololive's most popular streamers. It's like suffering from success.

>Why are you saying it like it's gonna get more viewers the longer it goes when most people just dropped the thing on first premier because it's shit?
Look at >>5569547
I don't think it's shit btw, but many Holofans don't even know about it yet or that it is fully subbed in english. When the show's quality improves, more people will talk about it and watch it. Live viewers isn't that important for pre-recorded videos like this because they're more like episodes than VODs. They're meant to be watched after premiere and maybe even rewatched.

They are back to 40k with Rushia

>>5569324
This has the same logic of any attempt that Anycolor is putting with their animated clips. They are all low. Indie channels do better in numbers highlighting the same talents. Better if it's Hololive. Should they stop? Nah. They just have to experiment more. This is content creation for you.

>>5569701
They really need to put the episode after their weekly 2-3 min anime for visibility or have related Holos do a lot of shilling

>>5536072
>Apex
This game needs to die

>>5569703
I'm surprised about Watame numbers more than any of the other girls.

>>5569195
>>5569195
That's good to hear. I love the duck, but her charm lies in the contrast in her normal behavior and when she goes full SHUBA. On Maruyama, it feels like she's at 200% volume, having a sugar high, and being full SHUBA the entire time. Feels overacted if you watch Subaru and know what she's usually like.

>>5569915
She gets like 10k in the middle of the night JP time playing MC. She's in mid range.

>>5569915
Watame's minecraft streams are almost guaranteed 10k floor to 16k ceiling. She streams from like 11pm JST to 6am in the morning and still maintains a 8-10k audience by the end. One of the most consistent Minecraft streamers in hololive in terms of numbers.

>>5569915
Watame is a Minecraft streamer much like Flare, that's what most of her audience expects from her so she gets a major boost when she plays Minecraft

>>5569992
It makes sense. You can assume there are about 25k people in the "relay" as "tourists" with each girl making up for the difference with their own fanbase.

>>5569976
It put me off. Because we know she's not that 200% every minute even on her own 3D streams. But I'm sticking with it because the staff are making adjustments to help the girls perform better. I know this is the kind of thing she really wants to do so I hope it does become a hit. Hololive has to do better promoting it. Pushig it in their community posts and Reddit and Twitter.

Are they hiring professional VAs for snack time? Damn. I mean they already have that comedian from the Okazu club. I wanted to have A-chan in the background

>>5569077
The show sucks massive balls. I would watch If they played American games like Halo or some shit. Oh God, this garbage show is a missed opportunity for the girls to finally play games they've never played before. I'm not surprised that interest is plummeting.

>>5569077
Maruyama is pretty shit ngl. It's like Cover went, let's put all the loudest members into one show. Literally a waste of my time. I'd rather watch the members individually.

>>5570329
>>5570297
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>>5570297
Dude. This show has 2 gaming noobs in Marine and Subaru. All three including Towa barely play western games to begin with. Not to mention that this show has a standard Japanese variety style. Even hiring a Japanese comedian. If they were to feature a western game then it's because they will have a guest that is interested in that like Korone or Botan. You will have to wait a long time for that. Or not. Even Pekora's game choices have been mostly JP titles. You can see that the comments have a lot of nips.

>>5570433
I'm watching the premiere and the comments are mostly nips.

>>5569701
My bad guys, I goofed and reported the number of likes as peak viewers.

The real numbers are:
ep 1 : 18k
ep 2: N/A
ep 3: 6.6k
ep 4 (rn): 8k

So there is a bit of a bump from Miko's appearance, but obviously almost all of hololive's viewers are watching Coco's relay stream rn (42k)

For comparison, I think Levergacha gets 20-30k for their premieres.

>>5570470
Just took a peek at it, the format is very "asian" with the absurd amount of on screen annotation, the little squares with the reaction faces and the constantly loud OHHHHs and AHHHHs.

That may be a winning formula for jap and gook TV but that would likely turn the western audience off big time

Polka following up Coco. Not a huge debuff, Botan surely spread them well to ensure no two Holos would lose moment in sequence.

>>5570720
It's very clearly patterned after a traditional Japanese game show, and is probably the brainchild of one of the former idol managers they brought on during their hiring spree.

Looks like we're going to get 10+ holos with at least 30k+ today. Kuzuha, the only Niji that can normally get 30k+, is playing SFV on a much smaller Niji's channel. I think today might be a clean holo sweep. The power of the relay...

>>5570830
You have to give Botan some credit, she did a good job on spreading the holomems so that no momentum is lost

>>5570720
If their goal is to attract JP titles to sponsor them then I say they are doing okay. It's not bad numbers considering. Their Bonjour fan club summaries that are 10mins long does slightly better numbers and those aren't highly produced like this. I agree that if they do want a western buff for this, adding English subtitles is not enough.

>>5571023
I don't know if the subs aren't for SEA blokes instead. There is a reason for HoloID to be one of the first ventures of them outside of Japan, ID buy everything japanese including their old trains.
https://mainichi.jp/english/articles/20181111/p2a/00m/0na/007000c

>>5571091
They consume JP media fine with its current format without any NA EOP whining that it doesn't suit their taste.

>>5571248
It also helps that Tokyo and Jakarta are separated by only 2 hours.

Miko is at 40k. While the SMP collab is at 16k. Really good numbers.

>>5571680
Aside from these 2 there are 3 other holos streaming and they don't have such a big debuff from the relay and only has debuff from the games they're playing. These are good numbers.

Big hittter's starting

>>5572134
Forgot the pic

>>5571859
Good numbers on that collab but there was a small debuff, a Coco-Korone-Subaru collab would easily pull 30k any other day

>>5571091
SEAniggas desperately want to be japanese huh.

>>5572171
Also, Fubuki is the biggest anti-numberfaggotry Holo, she seems to nerf her numbers on purpose.
Impostor syndrome? She was quite relieved when she lost the #1 subs spot

Looks like team Akukin will have the biggest numbers.

>>5572375
I don't see aqua, it might only get 40-45k

>>5572375
Without Aqua there she'll probably only get around 45k
Also alot of other Holo streams are starting around this time so they'll get debuffed

>>5572179
Would you want to be SEA?

So what are we going to do when the thread falls off the board? Wait for the relay to be over or start one immediately?

>>5572224
I don't think it's impostor syndrome nor antifag. She just likes to stream and try out games. It also doesn't hurt that she's not bad at gaming at all which makes her selection of games varied. A lot of the other girls play games that they know is feasible to their ability to some degree. Only Botan can compete as far as variety in gaming titles. Friend also makes up in numbers by streaming more.

>>5572714
Just start one after midnight JST to get the numbers for the day

>>5572224
It’s not imposter syndrome. She was there from the beginning, it’s more like she’s relieved the other holos are doing better now. She was the top dog for the longest time and thus the face of the company. She still is the face in the sense that she’s the go to sponsorship person.

>>5572224
No, she just got burnt out. She used to be basically everywhere back in 2018-2019, showing up at events, chasing numbers and doing more stream hours than most of her gen combined. Then she got burnt out and now that hololive has essentially made it she just wants to lean back and stream what she enjoys

And so the thread dies.