/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>55102096
Based.

>iRySoMad
whats her problem?

>>55102096
source of this painting?

>>55102251
Omega was her music manager.
Gee I wonder...

>>55102251
Of all those wronged by Omega, she was the most effected.

>>55102096
>Beware of the ode of April

>>55102096
December
The shakeup was in december.

>>55102096
>Jap among the stabber

>>55102306
It was originally Gura being killed in reference to the first JP-EN Amongus collab

>>55102096
>Ina's face
fucking kek

>>55102096
>Et tu, Mumei?

Could someone fill me in what is the deal with Omega?

>>55102867

>>55102981
Thanks anon. Any context though?

>>55102096
>April 2023
Nah, it's actually on December 2022.

>>55103131
I've got this.

>>55103284
and this to go with it

>>55102096
Nice. Very nice.

>>55102867
He was emblematic of a time of baffling and frankly terrible decisions by Hololive management. Whether or not all of them were his fault isn't relevant, he is just a representation of all of the poor choices. And there is evidence that he was behind or at least backed many of them.

>Ao-Chan was a bitchy no fun allowed modposter in Ina's streams.
>Council debuts, then at the end there is a fucking stinger for OMEGA, completely steals the thunder of the new girls because instead of talking about Council, everyone is wondering who or what Omega is.
>Omega turns out to be a fucking vtweeter, who says things like IVE BEEN AT HOLOLIVE ENGLISH SINCE THE BEGINNING and also plays into Tranny SJW genderless bullshit.
>Forced effort by management to not refer to Myth and Council as Gen 1 and 2 even though they fucking are.
>Lore behind GEN 2 is over the top, cringe, and doesn't really help establish the girls that much because they're all super powerful Gods. Compare that with Advent, they are recently escaped convicts, Nerissa calls her fans Jailbirds, Dogs call their fans Ruffians, it lends flavor to them and gives them something to work off of. Advent talks about being imprisoned.
>Haachama is not allowed to refer to herself as Hololive English Generation 0 even though she is and that labeled existed for her and Coco and Coco Kaine before Myth even debuted.
>Haachama is also discouraged from playing on the EN Minecraft server, robbing us of further kino.
>IRyS doesn't hear from management for months at a time.
>Girls mention managers just straight up don't respond or forget permissions requests.
>Fucking TEMPUS.
>Tempus is immediately pushed and shilled harder than any JP Holostars, integrated collabs with the girls at a rate that JP never saw.
>Fucking Tempus 2.

Again, that's not to say that Omega was specifically the one behind all this, we don't know who told Haachama she couldn't use EN Gen 0 or told her to stop going on the EN Minecraft server. But if he wasn't the cause of everything, he was definitely a symptom of just a terrible fucking time in EN management. They didn't do anything the girls wanted and definitely didn't do anything the fans wanted.

>>55102867
The big thing was that he self-inserted as the "God" of the HoloUniverse, stole Council's debut thunder to force them to shill HIM as if he was gonna be another HoloEN vtuber. It immediately came off to everyone who isn't an absolutely pozzed redditard as the result of a self-important, grandstanding cunt at HoloEN management going on a power trip. Trying to become the "A-Chan of EN" or some shit.
On top of that he was very obviously a guy, so that on top of that had you had the sex pest effect ruining the CGDCT.
THEN you had the fact that the EN girls kept making fun of him and kinda mocking him, which everyone /here/ took as a rrat that they hate him behind the scenes, to justify their hatred.

As for the whole "omegatroon is behind every bad management decision", this was born from the fact that the guy himself claimed to have been there "from the very beginning", was in charge of IRyS music production, kept talking on twitter like he's THE authority on Hololive... So we simply took him at his word and treated him as the head guru of EN management and blamed him for everything bad in EN. This was further reinforced when he became nothing but a Tempiss shill megaphone, fully completing the "Omegatroon forced Tempus" accusation.

All these things considered, the fact that he did the tranny pronoun bullshit seems like a minor yab in comparison. He was fucking blight and you can't tell me it's a coincidence HoloEN seems to have changed course hard after he seemingly got fired.

>>55103719
>the tranny pronoun bullshit
I get the other reasons why Omegatroon is hated as a bad manager and believe that the talents rightfully disliked him, but I never quite got the tranny connection with the pronouns. Saying that any pronouns are fine is kind of the opposite of what trannies do, they want you to use specific ones. He just did that because it works with the chuuni "I'm the highest divine entity" kayfabe and skirts around the issue of him being male (unlike the other EN managers).

>>55104182
It's just a fucking nickname retard, because nobody here cares about your myriads of distinctions among genderfreaks.
He's male but tried to hide this fact, therefore tranny.

>>55104218
>He's male but tried to hide this fact, therefore tranny.
That's a valid connection I hadn't made before, thanks.

>>55103719
Thank you, gur-, i mean, jap-sama

>>55104182
The major problem I don't see often pointed out is the trannies used it as a gateway to start talking about and shoving it in weird places. They started talking about gender bullshit in the twitter replies, reddit threads about it, etc. Talking about nonbinary shit, generally just attracting that crowd en masse.
The main thing that should have actually been taken from that is that as a manager, he made a comment that lead to troublesome people latching on and exploiting it that could lead to potential yabs or problems in the future and attracted a troublesome group. That's exactly what managers are supposed to STOP, not do themselves, which showed he himself was both an incompetent manager and that he would need a manager of his own if he was going to be a public facing figure.

>>55102096
What even was the point of Omega? Why all the lore drops early on and the twitter/youtube account just for basically nothing to become of it?

Now Hololive is trying to cover it up and I'm just like why the fuck did this even happen in the first place?

>>55104411
I honestly think this guy just simply managed to trick JP management into buying his idea
>guys we need an A-chan for EN, and who better to do than myself
>btw I should be basically God and the most powerful entity
What I'm surprised about is that they axed him anyway, from what I remember the hate from him mostly stayed contained to here, I never saw anything but absolute dicksucking for him on reddit and youtube clipfags seemed to love him too.
Yes nowadays you'll see anti comments upvoted but that was only after his termination because now of course his dicksuckers are quiet and won't defend something that was deemed a mistake by management itself

>>55103500
Before Omega people were blaming Enma for kicking Haachama off the server etc (and look how pointless that all was when the main active server is all branches merged now).

IIRC people thought Enma might have been Ancient Ones as well since if I recall correctly there was that one instance of Ina's Minecraft chatlog showing they were talking on the server and it was about some FF XIV stuff and acting like they'd known each other for a long time.

So maybe, I think, the perception was "hey Enma is well-received and people like having little EN staff-sans like jenma and j-chad's, why don't we make an official EN staff rep" - not a bad idea. However it clearly should have just been "make enma canon" instead of "put in a new androgynous god overlord char, whose only purpose seems to be talking down to the fans and going 'ackshually you're all wrong about X because I said so, it's actually this other thing nobody mentioned until me just now' " repeatedly. which just seemed like literally-pointless power tripping and practically trying to get everyone to dislike him.

from what we can understand, if what the girls had alluded to was true, management was in fucking dire need of shaking up and got it. I recall gura saying she gave someone a big list of games she wanted perms for and the manager just laughed in her face saying "haha you're never even going to play all these" and didn't do jack shit. what a fucking asshole, how in the fuck did Cover hire people like that.

One thing I hated about Omegatroon that isn't usually talked about is his fucking ESL that he forced into all the lore - seriously, read IRyS page on the hololive website, it reads like a fucking google translation of a pseudo-intellectual F/SN scene.

And he always talked like such a bitch on twitter, it's hard to describe but it's like this robotic, stoic manner, absolutely zero emotion in his comments, totally pseudo-intellectual, yet it's also riddled with ESL mistakes. It doesn't fit into Hololive at all, everyone knows to type with exclamation marks and in a hype manner, even the guys. And then there's this faggot trying to act like an ESL version of Spock. Such a fucking faggot.

>>55104710
>IIRC people thought Enma might have been Ancient Ones as well since if I recall correctly there was that one instance of Ina's Minecraft chatlog showing they were talking on the server and it was about some FF XIV stuff and acting like they'd known each other for a long time.
There's more to it than that, Kiara explicitly said that Enma is "The Ancient Ones" on discord. She didn't sound like 100% sure but it'd be a weird mistake to make, and considering the other evidence it seems almost certain.

Thing about AO-Chan is I strongly believe HE WAS in fact Omegatroon. It's only circumstantial evidence though, but he types in exactly the same faggot way, and wanted to insert himself into the lore just like Omega did.
Mysteriously disappeared one day only for Omega to appear. Strange, strange.

>>55102096
Oh glorious day

>>55104643
here's the thing, the holo reddit cover's own outpost/PR mouthpiece. listening to it is like if a boss known for firing anyone who disagrees with him, asked his employees if they like their workplace like their jobs. they literally have to say yes. I don't think cover is that stupid to fool themselves like this saying "seeee, the fans want this, because we asked them at gunpoint to say that they do."

if you noticed, advent seems far more tailored to otaku-centric tastes, for those of more devoted Holo fans who explicilty like Holo for being Holo - the cute girls element. they've turned away their ears from the loud twitter crowd demanding holoEN become nijiEN v2, probably for several reasons but I'd assume chiefly they learned that twitter likes do not translate into CCV or income worth a rrat shit and decided to go back to sticking to its guns, the Holo guns of CGDCT. if omega got in the way trying to halt this welp I guess we can tell what happened.

>>55104411
Because the faggot tried to launch his own career as the EN A chan, probably took funds that were assigned to the girls for his own model and shit like that, once he saw the backlash he decided to just not go all in on it, motherfucker then tried to nijify holoEN as retaliation for his failed pet project and I don't even want to know how bad the environment was for the girls behind the scenes.

>>55104710
The recent increased presence of A-chan in EN matters and liaisons tells me management realized something was absolutely afoot. Either Omega was largely responsible for bottlenecking the EN branch or it was latent left-over malice from decisions made around the Taiwan incident, but something occurred there that obviously demanded a course correction.

>>55104643
>from what I remember the hate from him mostly stayed contained to here
The hate did, but nobody really LIKED Omega so nobody was really sorry to see him go. And while it's not to the same degree as here, there was quite abit of frustration with just what the fuck en management was doing in between the "no gen thing" all the way up till EN3 debuted and omega did end uo being a sort of lightning rod/hate magnet for all of that

>>55102096
gura, your posture...

>>55104710
Yes and I think Enma, Omega, and AO-chan were all the same person.

>>55102096
good stuff

>>55102251
>2 years later and irys still has no 2nd outfit

>>55105397
also vaguely related but it just struck me - Ina's long-ass break was when? like, late november 2022. or did it start december 2022. if this was about the time period large changes were happening behind the scenes and omega was actually someone ina knew closely, maybe it's all related?

>>55104710
Omega scraped bottom on various speed bumps and triggered the primal instinct to crush upstarts. And that was before all his power-tripping and bad politics came to light.
I genuinely hope he got axed because one of the most alarming things the girls mentioned was that they were being told to participate in off-stream Final Fantasy gaming with management.

>>55107409
>participate in off-stream Final Fantasy gaming with management
Okay now you're just rrating, there was a push to get ENs to shill ff14 but that's it

>>55102251
>shit to average orisongs
>ghosted so many times
>long wait before redesign, even though her papa is ready
>unpinned her shilling instead of homo's just after 4 hours

>>55107561
It's true, management was rounding them up to play off-stream and the girls were mainly confused by it.
https://youtu.be/xuj5pAIekyM?t=12974

>>55102096
Why isn't Mori joining the stabbing? She hated Omega too.

>>55102418
Who's the smiling SEA ladyboy?

>>55108030
Yeah it was probably "training" or raising a character to the new content to shill it without them looking like dolts who have never played it when the time came to shill.
Still weird mind you that his was not made clear if is the case

>>55107561
>Okay now you're just rrating, there was a push to get ENs to shill ff14 but that's it
Look at >>55104891 nigger, even if you want to believe he's not Omega, there was definitely an EN manager that wanted to force himself into their FFXIV campaign and talked about creating his character
>we may need AO-chans design first

>>55108275
Because shitposters are trying to rewrite history and make this just about le male collabs since the sort of console war faggotry gives them more (you)s

I dont say Tempus was a problem in and of itself HOWEVER the idea that they delayed EN3 for a year is unacceptable. I love Vesper and Magni but theres no reason the company shouldnt have had Tempus in the middel of last year then tease EN3 to keep everyone interested. They would have come out got their couple thousand fans and did fine for me while the everyone else got into Advent

My other big killer was the tease of Council being part of a much larger story they were gonna tell thus all the over the top "Truth is in seeking but not the real truth of completiies of mysteries of the unfathomable butthole" rambling machine translated bullshit they gave us. It fucking went nowhere and felt like a burden on gen2 even BEFORE htey got rampagingly fucked by the evil AI overlords of Youtube which should have been the fucking priority to stop instead of some unfinished fanfic

>>55108275
Omega = Tempus = Mori.

This ignores that the Homos and Mori also hated Omega, but it's made by that sort of thought process

>>55109829
I have never seen Mori complain about Omega.

>>55109887
Mori is a fucking doormat and always has been. It's probably why Gura was willing to take Management's shit so long until the AirBNB. That's when Kiara and Gura met and they got close. After that all of Myth went to Japan and that was when Gura's project pipeline was mysteriously unclothed.
Then suddenly Gura was doing collabs with JPs and all the shit she couldn't do before was cleared.

I mean people forget Gura just didn't collab with JPs for her first 2 years. In her first few months she was interacting with Shion and gushed about Fubuki.
Everyone just said "Oh Gura just shy" which is true but once the servers were merged Gura was the one who brute forced interactions with Shion.

It's all rrats in my head but something really funky was going on.

Temous did dislike Omega for sure though. The boys constantly talked about wanting to stand on their own merit and didn't want to be lumped into Hololive because they are vtuber fans they know how the community would react and they were right.

That Monopoly collab is still the funniest fucking shit but that doesn't mean I want more collabs I just want more monopoly games with semi competent players because the salt is very real.

>>55110916
it telling that vanguard have only collabed with the girls side 3 times, 2 are Kobo valorant and bettel doing a barbie watchalong with bae

>>55102410
...you serious?

>>55102410
I mean source as in who painted this and when

>>55107561
Nah it ain't a rrat. There has been a lot of speculation that Omegatroon's ultimate plan with pushing XIV was for HoloEN to serve as his personal raid static. I still remember when he put out a tweet stating that he was taking some time off that just-so-happened to coincide with the release of an XIV expansion, though I don't remember which one. Does anyone have the tweet? I've seen it posted here before.

>>55109887
I'm obliged to call you a newfag and tell you to lurk more
https://www.youtube.com/live/JFAkojHSeHE?feature=share&t=6765

>>55102306
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Death_of_Julius_Caesar_(Camuccini)

>>55104643
>from what I remember the hate from him mostly stayed contained to here
Its pretty obvious that the talents themselves had beef with Omega (and not just Kiara). This went way beyond how the audience feels about him.

>>55109411
cope

>>55102867
xphdk4

Ok but Caesar was the good guy tho

>>55104218
literally... tranners do NOT hide this. You are digging your own retard grave (par for course of vtuber watchers)

>>55103284
>ina's bf
アルテアくん。。。

>>55112312
>tranny comes here to seethe about his troonism
>doesn't even watch vtubers
Kek.

>>55106626
No Ina was legitimately sick. She went radio silent on everything

>>55102096
Fixed

>>55112312
>trannies (male) pretending to be women (female) don't hide their real gender (male)
What did xir mean by this

So does this mean loserbait is gone too?

>>55102096
Why is Ina just laughing.

And which one's Brutus? (shouldnt he be Jenma)

>>55112312
ohnonono trannysisters we need to dilate

>>55112926
Ina is a sadistic psychopath.
In all honesty at first glance I thought it's because she generally falls in a centrist position between CGDCT and homo cocksleeves, but on second look she is actually holding a knife, so part of CGDCT.

Ina seems more motivated and happier to stream which is odd since she lost AO AND SANA

Rrats explain this

>>55113335
They've been gone for ages now. Time heals all wounds.

>>55113489
Then why don't kronies get better?

>>55102096
>Et tu, Brat?

>>55108663
Your lord and savior Dimitri Jap

I didn't get to see the reaction of here to Omegatroon's firing, anybody have a link to the termination announcement (if any)?

>>55114337
There was no official Announcement, they just silently nuked the channel (and then a couple of weeks later Mumei did a Zatsu where she mentioned 'a lot of our complaints have been addressed recently' lmao)

>>55114337
There isn't. There's only speculation after the Kiara rrats.

>>55102096
EN4 when?

>>55113933
because they're atemporal

>>55114337
It was completely mired in speculation at the time but I do remember it being a popular topic that omega was fired before it was implied.

Not sure how tempiss fits into this, victims of old management or is it that they lost their only foot of support in the company when things got shuffled around which is why magni and I forgot his name got terminated. It'd be funny if they got too overconfident with their influence at en when they directly appealed to jp management they realized something was afoot

>>55102096
Fucking lol

>>55114337
He made a post saying he was off to for a final struggle and then never came back.
Then Cover unpersoned him like Hitomi Chris.
Also it isn't just Kiara. Everyone talked lowly of him. The jack ass literally made fun of Gura infront of Council before debut. Mumei talked at length about how how bad things were in EN and how hard it was for Council.

If it is a boogeyman it is a boogeyman created by management about themselves. They didn't have to out themselves out their like that. Then made worse by Council and Myth talking about their struggles while some jack ass was wasting resources on a model and lore that was never used.

This would be like a mine collapse happening trapping workers underground after management diverted resources away from buying supplies to support the mine instead buying a yacht that shoots out fireworks with neonlights saying "WE ARE MANAGEMENT WE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR EVERYTHING"

>>55112230
You're talking to the average modern retard Anon. They have no conceptual understanding of Ancient Rome and can not possibly understand that the Senate were corrupt oligarch slavers that were driving the Republic to ruin.

>>55102096
It looks like the Minerva statue is ogling Calliope's ass.

>>55115350
Tempus is a victim of circumstance. Vesper and Magni were constantly getting in trouble with management even early on. If Mag was leaking that isn't surprising but Vesper may have just blown up again and had a melt down

Regis and Axel are honestly harmless and have always been clear about only crossing the Holol line if the girls ask them. Both are idol fans and understand the importance of maintaining idol culture. They've never been a problem and neither have the new Tempus guys.

>>55112230
>>55116179
True it should have been the Fall of Maximilien Robespierre.

>>55116179
Based.

>>55114337
There was no termination announcement, they just privated his video one day. Honestly for all we know it wasn't even clear that omega was fired. The only thing we know for sure is that they retired the character, and considering we aren't even sure if omega is one person or an avatar for management as a collective that's really all we are going to know for sure.

>>55111500
Anonchama...
Just google death of Julious Caesar painting and you'll find it

>>55116648
Robespierre was based.

>>55119023
>actually insane
>literally worshipped science (like actually worshiping the concept itself:
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult_of_the_Supreme_Being
>everyone to the left of him was a radical extremist, everyone tyo the right a counter revolutionary monarchist
>so autistic his downfall came because he spends weeks locked up in his room refusing to talk to people
No idea how this guy even managed to get in charge, the entire revolution was just a bunch of clowns accidentally being put in charge of a country desu

I never really cared or followed the whole Omegay bullshit, but from what I know it was basically some faggot manager. I remember also seeing a post about how Regis and Omega are probably the same person with some 'evidence' to back it up, but was still skeptical about that.

>>55119912
>Regis and Omega are probably the same person
No, Altare doesn't know enough Japanese for the position

>>55116179
>and can not possibly understand that the Senate were corrupt oligarch slavers that were driving the Republic to ruin.
the more things change, huh

>>55103284
what the fuck Ina of all people? she has that much power? she's untouchable

>>55102096
Upvoted

>>55102096
Wait, doesn't that make unicorns the bad guys?