/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>Bae
>because her fuckin paypigs won't stop hijacking the stream for bad puns

Didn't, new girls are cute i guess but i love my Oshi and know nothing of the others

>>55043122
When I was first getting into hololive around 2019 I watched one marine stream and considered her my oshi, but then much later on discovered Iroha and have been with her ever since.

>>55043122
Rosemi
Her priorities went from actually engaging and creative streams to trying really hard to fit in with NijiEN as a whole. I think she lacked weeb friends and wanted to make some, so I am glad she did, but through this process I discovered how fans can become blind yes-men. The less effort she put into streaming and following through with plans, the more I realized I needed to watch someone that was entertaining beyond being cute and stupid sometimes.
Which is how I discovered Pomu, gave Kiara and other HoloENs a shot, some HoloJPs and Mito and Hoshikawa a shot, etc. Now I rarely watch her since at any given time I could watch someone else.
Funny that becoming a Pomudachi made a bigger Holofag than I was a year ago.

>Mori
Idk why but since UnAlive I don't find her content engaging anymore

I'm now watching IRyS, Kronii, Mumei and Bae but my favorite among them is IRyS

Form EN3 I initially liked Nerissa but she's too gay. Shiori seems fine but I'm not buying yet.

>>55043122

Noel but it was mostly a timezone issue for me thought I throughly enjoy staying up later watching her play Nioh and Skyward Sword.

You really only see these ostentatious whiny threads from teamates and kronies. Why do those fanbases in particular have such high levels of estrogen compared to others?

>>55044201
Anon if you think those two fanbases are throwing this sort of shit on the catalog all the time and not just sticking to their splits or global, I have a bridge I can sell you.

>>55043122
Gura doesn't stream.
Mumei is just sorta boring by herself, great in council collabs though

>>55044124
he gave up on you

>>55043122
non. My oshis are still good

>>55044201
Because all non-faggots left them when they did bad shit, leaving only women and trannies.

>Ame
But that was last year.
Bijou reignited my interest on being a gachikoi

>>55043122
kronii

she keeps hiding her tits

I didn't realize I actually didn't have an oshi until the twins, and I was here to watch holoJP4 debut. I just had chuubas I liked, but I didn't feel as strongly to any of them until Fuwamoco came in.
I liked them in the GGN days but not enough to gosling over them.

>>55043122
I haven't really abandoned any. Civia was my first oshi and when she graduated I became an Elfriend. My kamioshi is still Flare but I'm close to seeing the twins as my oshi

Gura, mostly because her time away was so long I found out Kobo fills the role rather easily

>>55044528
lmao you faggots never learn, huh?

>>55043122
I gave up on Gura and Mori. Gura doesn’t stream and Mori is a whole thing.

I stopped watching vtubers all together for a while until I recently got into Fauna. Now I’m checking out the new girls to see if I like any of them too. Nerissa is giving me good vibes so far.

>>55044528
what did ame do?

>>55043122
>Kronii
Not even because of the holostars stuff, for some unexplainable reason her personality doesn't sit right with me as a vtuber. If she did irl stuff I'd be ok with her, but something about her and Mori put me off from following them closely as vtubers.
On the opposite end of the spectrum, Gura and Mumei became my oshis from their respective gens instead. I'm not a gachikoi but I feel like their personalities fit the vtuber role way better.

>>55043122
Sana. Because, well, she graduated.
Then, Pomu. I always liked her, but I just can't shake off this feeling that she's fed up with streaming and not putting up the same energy as before. And the fact that NijiEN is sinking fast into a hellhole doesn't help either.
Now I'm following both the rock and crow closely, I really think I might be able to find someone to set for life (or at least until graduation or the next yab)

>>55043122
>Coco
Fucking died.
>Kson
Just wasn't the same, especially after joining Vshojo.
No ill-will though, I still respect her immensely.
>Ollie
Timezones just didn't work out
>Kronii
Just lost interest. Is unironically more entertaining when she collabs with males.

>Magni and Vesper
Remains to be seen if they even come back

>>55043122
Kronii. Not male collabs themselves, i thought they were funny, she just made it obvious she didn't care about the fans and there was too much drama everywhere.

>>55044874
A lot of things for me.
She never improved her singing, dancing and language reps like she promised, that's a big thing i want from idols, improvement. Also her lack of effort into stream became apparent.
There was also the whole Tempus stuff out of nowhere, i don't like male collabs in the Hololive sphere and i felt i little bit hurt she would choose some random coworkers she just met over her fans, she said a lot of bad stuff like talking to chat being the same as talking to Tempus.
Ame was good back in 2020-2021, but she really fell off over time, couldn't stay as a fan of hers.

>>55043122
Fauna. Not that she did anything wrong, but I'm not mentally strong enough to handle an oshi...

Risu. She just got lazy at one point and I found better girls.

>>55047329
>she just made it obvious she didn't care about the fans
If you think that's the case, you haven't been paying attention. Especially after her mods made it clear they hate 4chan because they tried to shadowban a bunch of /here/roniis without telling Kronii, and when Kronii found out, she reversed all the bans.

>>55044528
Take it from another ex-Teamate who dropped Ame at the start of last year: vtubers are better if you keep your distance and don't become a gachikoi. Nothing can really disappoint you that way, at least not to a devastating degree.

>>55043122
Kronii 3 days in. Reason: "This is too depressing, even for me."

>>55048080
>She never improved her singing, dancing and language reps like she promised, that's a big thing i want from idols, improvement.
That is a very valid reason to drop an “oshi”. Oshi means push, growth and improvement that you can follow and support is the heart of that.
People often throw it around incorrectly.

All of them.

>>55048080
>>55049372
That's a shame, I've only seen a couple clips of ame and she seems really funny and cute. Does she unironically hate her fans?

>>55049149
That's what makes Kronii authentic.
Her latest Zatsudan was just her talking about how she was just spending all her free time in her hotel room in Japan and she only went out to get food from nearby Konbinis.

Only one I ever called my oshi is still my oshi, but I did cancel every other membership I had. I don't even remember why.

>>55050790
Yes and no.
She hates parasocial fans, goslings, gachikois and paypigs (though this one is deserved).
But she likes her normal fans that just tune into a stream from time to time.

>>55043574
Based. Nin nin cute

>>55051189
Don't most vtubers just ignore or tolerate those kinds of fans?
I find it weird that a vtuber would outwardly address and call these people out when they can make up a large part of their channel's membership.

Saw her return stream live
never looked back

>>55050817
Yeah, I appreciate that. It's just not for me.

>>55046986
>Coco
Fucking died.
>Kson
Just wasn't the same, especially after joining Vshojo.
No ill-will though, I still respect her immensely.
Same anon same.

>>55050790
She does not, she's very stubborn and if people try to tell her to change she WILL tell them to go fuck themselves.
But if you actually support her she will appreciate and show that appreciation more than most.
And unlike >>55049372 said, she did improve over her time with hololive.
The dancing is not something we get to see much but her signing definitely improved even though she originally did not want to focus on it at all.

>>55051550
Ame's most significant fault as a vtuber is being stubborn and easily baited. She's not as good at ignoring people as she should be though I think it got a bit better.

>>55051550
That's basically why her channel is in the gutter in terms of membership and views. But Ame actually likes being small, i think she wants to reach the ID fanbase numbers so she can collab with Holostars all she wants with no repercussion.

>>55053360
She already collabing with holostars all she wants retard.

>>55043122
This guy >>55044124 but it's more like.he have up on me first.

>>55053360
Thats so retarded, she cant control that.

>>55044549
cringe hololive poser

>>55053517
When was her las collab with the homos?

>>55053517
Not as much as she should considering she spammed collabs with them for weeks but then stopped after backlash.
A Holo ID would never have this problem since it's estabilished they all do collabs with stars very often and have much smaller fanbases. I think that's her goal.

>>55043122
Amelia for many reasons but the final straw was when she streamed over IRyS's 2.0 debut.

I liked Kiara when she was in japan because the timezone is convenient for me. I basically never see her now on eurotime. I swapped to Calliope but lost interest when she signed with universal. Her music got big from her popularity as a streamer and it did not work the other way around when she put most of her time on music. Currently I love Fauna and I can't see that changing although I am becoming a fan of Nerissa too.

>>55053786
>>55053964
Maybe you can watch Ame before shitposting about made up rrats.
She has exactly zero regard for people telling her to not do something.
Maybe less than zero because she might try doing it even harder.
She has no recent collabs with stars because she doesn't want one. She doesn't spam collabs in the first place. She had some ideas she wanted to do, like a worms tourney, and she did them.
She will probably do more in the future if she gets an idea for one she wants to do.
Saying she isn't doing them because "she learned her lesson" is some real fucking cope.

>>55056086
I never said she "learned her lesson" but it's clear she's not collabing with Stars as much as she wants considering her news show always has a Tempus segment. Ame was always a huge Holostars fan and during that month she did 6 full collabs with them.

>>55056618
>Ame was always a huge Holostars fan
This is complete bullshit, it only make sense from incels point of view that anything other than complete snubbing means they are in love.
>considering her news show always has a Tempus segment
Her show has an ID segment and a JP segment. What great insight can you gleam from that?
Ame is, and has always been, a unity and saviorfag.
The fact that she does not exclude stars from that does not make her in love with them.

>>55043255
I gave up Bae the moment she dropped the high voice and stopped trying to be so gung ho about JP collabs. Yeah yeah, I know she still does both of those now and then, but it just felt weird to me.

>>55057169
Dear lord anon, read my post again. I said she's a huge fan of Holostars (which is true) not that she's fucking them.

>>55056086
Its not my fault you get triggered so easily i only asked a simple question you couldnt answer

I didnt know teamates were as retarded as her.
I have zero regards for faggs who overreact trying to protect their vtuber.

I know she is easy to bait its not a secret.

>>55057169
Don't care, teakek. as days, weeks, months, years pass by, we'll eventually have EN5, in that time Ame will be a nobody forgotten in Hololive's strongest presence. That's what she gets for being a cunt.

>>55043122
My first oshi was Haato but I don't know Japanese so I switched to Gura when she debuted because I was a previous fan of hers. Switched to Fauna a couple months ago though because of her chat interaction and because she is funny. I still like Gura, I just had to find someone else because of the lack of streams.

>>55057717
Don't pretend to be me faggot. I am talking politely with an Ame fan about how she is after 2022.

>Magni
Dude already got burnt out from vtubing and now that his rm finally got a connection to Criken of all people, he no longer has any incentive for staying in Tempus. Probably influenced Bettel to resume his rm career since he knows Tempus is pretty much over with their pillars gone.

>>55043122
Ollie. Her novelty wore off fast. Already was kinda boring and then the Apex spam happened. GG
I was also a Pomudachi for a bit, but the constant disorderly collabs made me lose interest. She really needs to be absorbed into hololive.

>>55051925
Based 35P. No need to even name who else you watched before. Miko is my kami oshi.

>>55049109
You can't really blame people for falling in love as a fan. It's the worst case scenario yes, especially if it's Ame. But people sometimes have no control about who they fall in love with.
Streaming is kind of parasocial type of enteirtainment 50% of the time.

>>55043122
Definitely Coco. I still respect her and what she does, and I still consider her graduation to be hands down perfect in execution, but man her content after leaving hololive just didn't do it for me. By the time she hit vshoujo I was already long off the train. What I realize now is that what I really liked about Coco was her in the context of the hololive environment and interacting with the other holomems. She also didn't stand out as much in a group like vshoujo where every member just does whatever the fuck they want at all times, and group identity feels weak.

>>55043122
it's kronii
no longer a fan of the pseudo-perfectionist kayfabe and prudeness
one of the new girls (you could probably guess) seems quite down to earth and her vibe is more sincere
>inb4 pl, 'he doesn't know' etc.
i'm just talking kayfabe wise

Haachama. I just couldn't deal with the content shifts and erratic schedule. When I found myself dreading to watch her streams I realized it's time to quit and cancelled my membership. Still, her early stuffs in Australia were some of the most crazy shit I've seen. I still rewatch the Skype Vtuber goukon once in a while.

>>55043122
Kronii unironically

>>55043122
i came into this from mid myth Gura, and liked mori/kiara early parts, but god dam did mori changed for the worst, guess it was her true colors in the end.
when EN2 came i liked kronii alot her cool but doomer personality, but her yab left a bad taste, promising to do one thing in a private stream but instantly about face no less then 1 day later, what a piece of shit. i slowly settled to Fauna/mumei, and enjoy Gura every now and then
but GOD damit, 2 shit tubers i faved back to back FML
Nerissa i enjoy watching rignt now. plz don't make it 3 for 3

>>55043122
Kronii. Too many red flags and hse felt like a ticking time bomb of a mess. Checked out during the shitshow that entailed from her collab and how badly she mishandled the whole thing.

Hindsight is 20/20 but Kronii really did go braindead on some decisions after her yabs to drive so many away at once, and the fact that people who don't even work in media often know how to handle all that better really does say a lot

>>55043122
First oshi was unironically Kizuna Ai. I found her just before she truly blew up and created the VTuber craze. Thought the idea was definitely novel at the time. I made sure to watch all her videos at the time, though this was back when you had to wait awhile for people to translate on her own accord. Shout out to those guys btw, they unironically did a lot to build up the English side of the community back when everything was JP-centric. Her content was mostly skits, but she did stream, though they rarely were longer than 30 minutes to an hour. I would just sit there and listen to them, but you got a sense of her personality even if you didn't speak Japanese because she was so animated compared to most Live2D models. I wouldn't really say I was Gosling over her, but I really did enjoy her skits, her gaming stuff, and even the music which came a bit later.

I wouldn't say I gave up on her, more so I just grew to watch other content. It was around the same time her content definitely slowed down because of the focus on her music. There also was of course the controversy around the different girls voicing her instead of the original AI. I remember that being a shit show literally everywhere on the internet. I just lost faith in the company surrounding Kizuna Ai, though definitely not on AI herself. But it just didn't feel the same as it once was. It became so corporate. Or maybe I just noticed it was corporate.

I'll admit though, her Last Live did make me cry. It brought back a lot of memories that I had realized where 5 years ago. Time flew really fast and now Vtubing is where it's at, for better or worse.

I dunno if I really have an Oshi anymore. I mostly just watch Gura and Fauna. But like I said, VTubing has felt very corporate these days. Even 2views and so called "indie" VTubers tend to feel like factory copies of each other. I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing though. It is just how it evolved. I'm still having fun even if the concept isn't novel anymore like it once was with Kizuna Ai. But yeah, she'll always be my first "oshi" even if that wasn't really a concept in vtubing at that point.

>>55043122
I changed Oshis a lot when I fist started:
- First it was Mori, bc she was kinda based and I enjoyed her music (specially her PL, her first Holosongs were cringe af). Left after the whole Connor thing bc she showed weakness and gave way to much attention to her haters. I don't like drama.
- The I experimented a lot. First Ame, then Ina, then Haachama (which I still love)
- Then it was Ayame, which was perfect, but then she stopped streaming
- Then I moved to Towa, who then became my Kami-Oshi

Nowadays I still support Towa whenever I can, but I watch mostly Fauna and now Shiorin

I watched vtubers before her but never had an oshi until IRyS. And I doubt it'll ever change.

Niji dragon sisters. I hope they can reincarnate elsewhere one day, but I just don't enjoy myself in Kurosanji streams anymore. The atmosphere has gotten worse and worse.

>>55043122
i watch hololive as a large part of my entertainment. i see the vtubing thing as an interesting development that allows a sort of immediate give and take between fan and vtuber. i don't understand the parasocial extent to which some go, such as the kronie and chumbud fanbases, but i do see that the vtuber has a "presence" that we give meaning to.
i should have abandoned kronii a long time ago, but i thought she would grow beyond her "existential dread" and lack of happiness. i grew to realize that she has absolutely no grounds for feeling the way she does, at least on the grounds of how she is financially better off than many people in the world right now. the consistency of her attitude made her less and less enjoyable to watch. couple that with finding out that she has extra tier paypigs, i decided it wasn't worth it anymore. i should have known to drop her after her philosophy stream.
bae slowly became for me more and more insufferable. i want to like her, but something about her was grating to my mind. the clue for me, after too long, was her first only up stream. i stopped after her first hour.
mumei was a favorite of mine. and even though i see her going steady, with increasing subscribers (minus the many "subscribers" that will be deleted soon, which will go for all the girls), she also became more and more uninteresting. couple that with her constant health crisis, i didn't think it worth it to continue.

i think what best describes my growing distaste for these three is that i noted, finally, a hubris that was annoying. if there's anything that is a turn off for me, it's hubris, or a sense of invincibility, that doesn't characterize their actual position at all.

first ayame then gura and nasa from pc last. they all left for extended periods of time

this menhera became too much for me

>>55043122
Unironically her after I finally accepted that no matter how strongly you try to connect with her, she fucking hates you if you're poor.

>ina
streams at 4/5 am. low energy vibe didnt make it worth staying up that late. shame because she was a big art inspiration
>kronii
schedules started becoming shit. got too doomer for me that it started becoming overbearing
>pomu
still like her but i can never watch her in good faith now without supporting the absolute nigger of a company behind her. also too much luca kept me from becoming fully invested in her

t. bau bau

>>55043122
First was Noel, but after I stopped sleeping like a vampire, it was too hard to catch her live. She's still the best tho.

Kronii. She was obviously naive, but it just didn't seem like she appreciated the opportunity she had. The no fun allowed moments. The long breaks. The next stream I caught was just her playing a game in silence for 10 minutes. Never felt more disgust at someone wasting an opportunity.

>>55043122
Ina, her long breaks and lack of communication during it just killed all my interest in her. also that 20min long rant about her back comments just made me feel like she is just a cold hearted korean bitch.also the lack of new songs. now I have no oshi.

>>55044528
>he doesn't know
Oh nonono anon dont search about her past life..

IRyS, she's not as parasocial as i thought she was, she pays way too much attention to her biggest paypigs over everyone else even if she clearly doesn't find them interesting and she lies a bit too much for my taste, i don't mind whatever she's doing while not streaming, i just hate being lied to.

>>55069091
Extra tier paypigs? Uh what does that mean? I've been a Kronie for a year already. Is there some sorta hidden tier for those with deep pockets?

>>55075006
yeah 1000+ in SC get special privileges

>>55072538
But I have and can't find anything.

>>55075138
Fuck hey, I guess sending her 20 bucks occasionally doesn't get me in there lol. At least I got a funny reaction out if her sometimes

>>55075376
now imagine that after her funny reaction, she ends her stream, is 20$ richer than you, and yet she is miserable.

>>55043122
>Mumei
still too retarded for me and streams extremely late now.
>Gura
didn't stream and also exhausted herself of content. I only tune in for karaoke.
>Towa
Got filtered by Apex.
>Poko
recently dropped because her schedules are posted really late in the week and change last minute, also she's painfully terrible at games and constantly insecure.
>Ame
didn't really do much, I got baited by her early 3d streams thinking she'd do some technically advanced streams but she stopped doing that.
>Pikamee
The OG VOMS trio were kino, but since Monoe left it wasn't the same. Also she drifted towards react streams which turned me off.

>>55069091
>>55075138
What is included in this special secret tier?

>>55076611
her personal phone number, you happy

>>55072346
This is it for me. Kronii’s fault isn’t homo colllabs or being a doomer- that’s just who she is. Her fault is a complete lack of appreciation for her fans and her place in Holo. It’s all just a job to her and that’s too bad.

>>55076808
To be honest, I expected something else

>>55076893
ideologically, it's torture for her to continue hololive. she hates coomerbaiting, but it's part of the job description. the only thing keeping her in is the money.

>>55079785
I unironically see her graduating soon and I feel awful about it considering how much potential she had. Now that other holomems like Mumei are overtaking her (not to dog on her or anything) and how her channel's growth has stagnated, I can tell that she doesn't really want to do this anymore. Hell I felt awkward seeing her doing those recent fanservice summer stuff considering how she feels about everything.
It's not even about the male collabs anymore, it's her lack of passion that gets me as an ex-kronie and I hope she either finds her spark again soon or that she moves on to more fulfilling opportunities.

Gura. She stop streaming so often but still followed and then had her birthday happened. It was kino, but then she stopped streaming again after. Ended up just watching others and not really have the same passion I had for Gura. Still watch her when she streams but found another vtuber to call oshi.

I have no oshi, but I've given up on all EN corpos.

>>55081217
mumei has "surpassed" kronii in terms of subscriptions, but i don't think they're subscriptions of any real substance. plus, we know a lot of dead accounts will be culled soon. if anything, i can see mumei graduating within a year too.

>>55043122
Ame: she would randomly disappear, sometimes for days.
Rosemi: stopped caring about her streams after she quit her job and just spammed collabs.
Kronii: I don't have female friends.
I almost oshied Mori but was lucky that the lean thing happened when I was about to fall for her.

>>55059458
This is something I'm worried about if Nina reincarnates. I enjoyed her a lot, she was probably my singular favorite vtuber at the time, from debut to graduation, but I don't know if I'll feel the same if she returns to streaming as an indie or part of VShojo or whatever, because it just won't be the same.

To be honest, I'm hoping she won't reincarnate and will just stick with normal, real-world jobs, just so that it'd be easier on me, even though I know it's selfish.

>>55059458
This is it exactly for me. Coco worked because she was a foul mouthed dragon in a group of idols, which led to lots of comedy. It's kinda like when a lead singer breaks up with a band to go solo, but their new songs are never anywhere near as good.

>>55043122
Gura. The endless excuses about not streaming. "Wifi hort, now sunburn hort".

>EN is good at streaming
>but absolute dogshit at holding down a job
>and too entitled to be appreciative of the opportunities they've been given
This basically sums up half the thread right?

>>55043122
I wouldn't say gave up but I definitely took a step back from KFP. I started watching kiara because she was kind of a black sheep at the time and I didn't understand why since she was pretty okay past the voice filtering

But the relationship she has w KFP is just not healthy - both the way they talk about her and the way she talks about them. It isn't even that it's negative, it's just a lot

I gave up on Mori about the time she gave up on Hololive.
I wanted to support her so bad, wanted to see her embrace the idol dream - and for a while, it seemed like she was going in that direction. Then she started using Mori to prop up an Unrelated Artist with the same voice actor, and it felt like the Unrelated Artist had taken a gun and killed my oshi.

>>55043122
>Lisa
I actually fell in love with her and seriously considered tracking her down and try to marry her then I realized how fucked up that thought was and took a break from watching vtubers for half a year, now I just watch vtubers for entertainment and still afaid of going to her stream in case I fall in love again.

Ina
Her (over)work ethic, lack of regard to mental and physical health and her game choice (yay it's another Nintendo fast paced Nintendo game where she can mumble for 3 hours !). And there's so much self-deprecating humor I can take.
I wish her all the best, but I won't watch her until she grows out of whatever phase she's in.

>>55081217
Would be something if we lost 2 Council members so soon. But I don’t know why any of these girls would leave paychecks on the table when they leave. The gig is good money no matter how much they hate it.

If it was me and I couldn’t bare to do the job anymore I would stick around putting in the bare minimum and wait for them to fire me, if they do at all.

>>55043122
Akirose. Coco introduced her to ARK cancer so she spammed it for months. I had to drop her only to pick her up again before she started her retarded Splatoon spam. Then I dropped her again and for good this time.

>>55091475
They'll get scooped by vshoujo where they have no responsibility to anyone, but also never reach their past popularity, and slowly fade into obscurity.

>>55048998
When was that, how would that conversation come up and how would she know who was banned.

>>55081968
i can definitely see kronii graduating within a year, but why mumei?

>>55043122
>Ame
She began slowly filtering me with her grumpy mood back when she started titanfall 2.
>An*a P*ndaria
I stuck with this girl until her graduation.
>Pomu
I actually followed Pomu from her indie days. Reduced content quality, tons of breaks at the start of the year and my cuurrent oshi winning me over made me slowly stop watching Pomu. The last stream I caught of her was her birthday stream.

Also, my current oshi isn't in EN3, but I do enjoy the dogs.

Kanata got me into everything, even have one of the first pp tenshi shirts.

But her streaming has declined heavily and she has never been the same since coco moved out.

>>55043122
Gave up on Kronii about month after her debut, she had good game choices imo but couldnt rly deliver on it

>>55043122
Gura. I think I gave up after the third (?) time she ghosted us. And I'm not falling for it again.

>>55092104
Last month, after Kronii's mods spent months her grooming chat to spam gift memberships for attention, a shitstorm started because Kronii always thanks a person for gifting memberships, every time they do it. Which made it an easy way to hijack the end of her stream when Kronii normally does a short zatsudan after doing the superchat readings because she's now forced into an endless loop of thanking gift memberships until she ended the stream.
It finally got annoying enough that /here/ posters left VoD comments taking issue with the gift spam, and they all got shadowbanned by Kronii's mods. Later on they all got unbanned and Kronii addressed the complaints in a stream, mentioning that the mods took some action against people, but she told them to 'let it slide'. And while it's vague, it's extremely clear that the mods acted unilaterally and Kronii had to reverse the bans.
Finally we know people were shadowbanned because their YTC history has been totally wiped, but they never mentioned ever being banned and are still actively posting today.

Kronii's mods are shit, but at least Kronii is willing to draw the line with them when it's clear they're abusing their power.

>>55043122
As much as I love Pika, like others have said about Kson it's just no longer the same. Her new model is a debuff, I don't like react content, and I don't want to support Vshojo as long as people like Froot are still in there. I wish her the best but it's just not for me anymore.

I tried to oshi Kronii back when she debuted, but dropped her pretty quickly. Not because of doomerism or any yabs, she just streamed at shit hours for me (I'm an euro).

gura
>doles out every excuse in the book to get out of streaming
>every outfit after her original has been a visual downgrade, and she insists on streaming (whenever she gets around to doing that) with her scuffed 3D model now
>seems to blow off her genmates and kohai more and more
>game choices haven't been all that great lately, whether it's related to perms or her personal taste
>her fanbase

>>55091472
I've usually put Ina on in the background because of how chill her streams are, but if it's tendie shit I'll pass due to the audio being chock-full of "BING BING WAHOO" or whatever PokeZeldaCrossing equivalent of that is drowning her out.

>>55043122
>Mori
Was there for the first year or so but then it was just drama this and foot-in-the-mouth that. Said fuck it and have been SSRB ever since.

>>55043122
Botan, used to watch every one of her streams because she did comfy FPS multiplayer games that isn't Apex. But she gradually played fewer shooters and there's a lot more options to watch if I'm watching someone play the flavor of the week game.

So I switched to Koyori on the JP side. On the EN side I watch Fauna.

>>55096432
pika did more react stuff than henya does phasenigger-kun

Ina. 2020 - 2022 I was all on board. After her steadily decreasing giving a shit for streaming culminating with the October break, the deafening silence and coupled with the "LOL I FORGOT MY PHONE" bullshit when she came back I dropped her. I know she's gotten better and maybe I'll return one day but not now.

Genuine question. Are at least some of you aware that your headcanon for the reasons behind <oshi>'s behavior could be utter nonsense?

Not a bait question, honest. Especially when it comes to hololive, since they're all 'idols', kinda seems like a lot of people around here don't understand the amount of behind the scenes shit that goes on. There are lessons. Lots. There is lots and lots of dance practice. This is coupled with streaming, collabs, merchandising related shit, on and on.

To be fair, some of your headcanon might be totally right (someone seeming pretty apathetic and maybe genuinely wants to quit the streaming game), but, pretty sure a lot of the fan fiction around here is just lolno.

>>55043574
Mine is Chocosen, then Roboco> Fbk> Aki>

When Council debuted, Mumei, Fauna, Gura, and IRyS (I watch all of them, though it depends on whose stream I find interesting at the moment)
And now we have Advent. I think I'll probably be following Nerissa and Shiori. I quite like them.
This is the secret to why I don't get lonely when the others don't stream.

I think you really shouldn't focus on just one chuuba.

>>55043122
Kronii after she went full retard and kept flip-flopping

>>55043122
Haachama
Nothing in particular, it's just the magic is gone, I still like her and waiting for her return someday.

>>55100299
>There is lots and lots of dance practice. This is coupled with streaming, collabs, merchandising related shit, on and on.
This is not some anime, brainless anon.
Some of the girls aren't even physically fit. Do you listen to what they do in their free time?
Do you even watch their stream?
Genuine question, not a bait one.

>>55094047
I unironically had a dream about coming back to their apartment with Coco, and Coco trying to set me up with Kanata saying how she will definitely fuck me if I play my cards right. Woke up with a titanium rod.

Gura, I still love her but she made it clear she doesn't give a fuck about her fans and I refuse to stick around for that.

>>55043122
Marine, lawsuit.
Not sure I've ever had an "oshi" in the way that word is meant to be used, but I think the biggest drop in emotional investment for me was definitely her.

>>55049109
it's so rare i see people with an ounce of sense here i'm actually not sure if this was sarcasm or not.
but i agree, in any case.

>>55052948
ame get off /vt/ your manager told you not to be here

>>55052948
>>55056086
>>55057169
>>55102147
You need help. This isn't just another 4chan hit and run insult, I'm being entirely sincerely. You have mental illness that needs tending to before you or someone else gets hurt.

>>55105271
Cry about it.

>>55105271
Yes I have mental illness but do you watch the girls stream?

>>55043122
Doing homocollab makes me give up being oshi

>>55094784
Or it was management who told her to reverse the situation.

>>55106767
Management doesn't give to shits about most of the stuff that goes on, it takes several days to get a short approved.

>>55064945
Shiorin is literally Kronii 2.0 in the making and Calli 3.0. idk that girl raises all the red flags for me. I honestly don't want anything bad to happen, so I'm scared what will happen when Collab ban ends

>>55043122
Purin
I didn't like the new audience but I knew she did so I was the one out of place

Vesper
I thought he was a wholesome oldman and has good head on his shoulders but after the Japan menhera arc his image shattered now he looks like a retard in my eye.

And yes YBDBD, for once I agree with catalogue niggers.

>>55091472
Ina has always been a bit off putting to me, because it's obvious she has some deep depression issues, but she's always forcing a smile, so a lot of her conversation topics feel equally forced
>haha! something crazy happened today! My mom came over and she... guess what? she brought me food!
>*laughs herself to death like a forced laughtrack as if she didn't just say the most mundane shit ever*
I just don't get it.

>>55108110
and then she'll complain for 2 minutes that her chat is laughing TOO much and that "we don't do that here."

>>55108266
Is she really that bad? These people need to learn to ignore the bad parts of chat. It looks bad when they only interact with chat in a bad way

>>55043122
Kronii
>Began with flexible timeslots alternating to EU/SEA friendly times and NA prime time
>Sets up a poll during American prime time asking what her permanent time slot should be
>American prime time obviously wins
>No more flexibility, never able to catch her streams
>Feel completely sidelined as a fan, but cope and tell myself she'll be happier
>She starts to take more and more breaks
>Months between episodes of games
>Mostly just talking streams because every time she takes a break she has to tell everyone about it
>Then she has to do an SC catch-up stream too instead of pulling an Ina and focusing on content
>We might get one game stream a week later, a cancelled stream, then another break
>Over time it feels like the dynamic with her audience shifted and she's a lot more guarded when I catch archives, call myself schizo
>Tempus debut, turns out I wasn't schizo and her prime time fans were utterly fucking deranged
>Can't shake the downer feeling that those shitters are always in the back of her mind every time she streams now, feels awkward
Plus there's just a lot of small frustrating things that have built up
>A lot of her cute quirks died for no reason, like the Gwaks
>The few creative projects she does have don't have a long lifespan
>Rarely feels involved in Holo as a whole
>She passes up so many opportunities where people really like something about her and she just doesn't play into it, like her Voice acting, Fire Emblem, Mario Kart, Korean or MC autism

It's funny to me that there were so many Nerissa comparisons because even though they share design similarities, they're complete opposites. That being said, Nerissa actually embraces her role and expectations people have on her and a guilty part of me wishes Kronii was like that too.
Fuck fanbase democracy in general, they're fucking IRyS polls too with fotm shite over actually interesting things

>>55108328
A few times a year when she's grumpy and tired she complains for a bit about chat.

>>55043122
A few from Hololive. Can't be bothered to remember who exactly. I realized indie vtubers are better.

>>55108110
>Deep depression issues
That's just her sense of humor, Gura has deep depression issues.
>>55108328
Ina only downplays obnoxious jokes, the ones that either enable coomers or go into Bazinga territory of unfunny regurgitation. If she was a true killjoy she would stamp out all her recurring jokes.

>>55108727
brainwashed apologism

>>55108727
Just ignore it. Don't feed the trolls. How do people still not realize this after 20 years?

>>55108976
stop replying to yourself

>>55043122
Ina and Gura used to be the only streamers I watched, I never really found Ina entertaining but her personality and her having a normal voice meant a lot (none of the other myth girls were walking with their normal voice in the start), along with the fact she felt genuin/down-to-earth.
Gura was/is still really entertaining and I watch all her karaoke stream but Gura is too inconsistent, and she sometimes does some cringe GFE with chat.

Then Fauna came along and I never watch anyone else, Fauna has the best parts of Ina and Gura combined, her kind and quiet personality is so nice to watch, and she is actually hillarious in streams with doing random stuff like doing intro songs for her streams.
It is also nice she doesn't do GFE (fuck GFE streamers). Instead she focuses on gaming and interacting with chat in a normal way.
I honestly don't understand how she isn't the most popular in EN.

I hope Ina and Fauna will do a collab one day but you know... Ina and collabs.

>>55110358
>I honestly don't understand how she isn't the most popular in EN.
She had slow start, hence the lowish subs, but nowadays she is the most consistent EN streamer. Pretty much all people that I can talk about vtubers with are to some degree saplings now.

>>55110358
because she is not single.
t. oblivious cuck

>>55109228
It's called samefagging newfag.

>>55110358
How is her ASMR streams not GFE?

>>55043122
Ina but that was before council even had their debut. I didn't like how she didn't really red supas and it felt like she didn't care so much about her fanbase so I moved on

>>55111835
Ignoring superchats is exactly what to do. Interact with regular chat and using super hats as a donate button is what every streamer, let alone vtuber should do

>>55111789
Have you just not heard a GFE ASMR? Go pirate Polka's member ASMR to learn what that shit actually looks like, because Fauna isn't close.
I'm talking whispering "I love you" sweetly into the microphone over and over and over type shit.
All ASMR is creepy, but there's very different kinds. Some ASMR is just plastic wrapper noises, even.

>>55113650
I wonder if Fauna likes Ephemeral Rift

>>55113650
I never understood that stuff. Hearing that would make me embarrassed and realize how fake and artificial it is. I don't get how some guys seem to fall into it so hard

>>55094784
What a shitshow, her mods literally formed a clique on their own

>>55114128
Clussy does that to you

>>55114128
it doesn't seem that far fetched to me. /vt/ itself is a place that thrives on lonely men chasing the illusion of anime girls.
plus, ASMR is weirdly intimate as is.

>>55044006
Same

>>55102147
You can actually still be a weakling and do a lot of dance. If any of them are doing multiple songs though / participating in a concert? They're hitting it hard. I'm not speaking from an anime perspective, but how RL idols train. They hide all that shit behind the scenes because they think fans don't want to know.

How do you actually drop an oshi? Do you just decide to call it one day and never watch them again? Or is it a very gradual thing, maybe something you're not even aware of?

>>55115607
Both i would assume.
For me with Ame i just called it quits after the male collabs. It's not what i want from Hololive.
But there are plenty that grow out of their oshi gradually if you read examples on this thread.

>>55043122
I had finally decided to cancel my membership to Gura earlier this month because of the lack of streams, which just so happened to be around the time she started streaming again.

I renewed it and fully expect to have my heart broken again.

>>55110358
Fauna's bf is based as fuck, he didn't concede an inch and made sure his woman knew her place:none of that gfe pandering shit. Instead there's just an annoying amount of mommy-issue saplings but that's a vtuber problem in general.

>>55114741
>You can actually still be a weakling and do a lot of dance.
Have you seen how Ina dance?
>If any of them are doing multiple songs though or participating in a concert? They're hitting it hard.
It was all recorded before the concert. No hard work just a little bit of effort.
>They hide all that shit behind the scenes because they think fans don't want to know.
Now you're just sharing your headcanon.

It's funny seeing people still dropping the "don't you have female friends" line as if it was something she said when that stream is still up and that was decidedly not the wording she used at all.

Kronii. I bought that cunt's overpriced bday merch and watched her boring ass every single stream. In a way I'm glad she betrayed her fans though, I realized how shit she was and watch much more entertaining chuubas now.

>>55119438
Stick to the infinity thread, cuckeroni. You guys haven't converted anyone since she's shat all over and emasculated you little boys
.

>>55044604
Wants brainless, no-talent toddler Kobo for hole filling

>found the pedo

>>55119438
except she did, lying clockcuck. "don't you guys have friends of the opposite sex?" is just unwieldy for a meme, but it's the same damn thing

>>55110358
>Fauna doesn't do GFE

uhhhh have you never listened to any of her dozens and dozens of mid ASMRs? They're almost all coomerbait 'put your head on my lap darling, and let me take care of you uwu' gfe shit.

Fauna is (was) great, but she got dropped after the we're not friends bs. What a stupid thing to say to people that literally pay you to pretend to be their friend.

Mario Miia, she turned into a cunt.

None, Gura cute
Still suscribed to Ame because she is friend of Gura

>Kiara
Got into chuubas when myth debuted, membered her for like six months before I started to find her content boring.
>Towa
Really liked her singing and her dorky autism but I fookin hate apex and valorant.

>>55043122
Gura but that only lasted about 3 weeks when I got into small corpos and indies and never looked back.
In hindisght, I dodged a HUGE bullet as a non-chumbud. Even though the smallcorpo and indie space has been riddled with graduations and drama at least they're still present.

>>55053740
Yeah I wasn't a traveler. I only started watching them because they streamed Kindred Spirits and I'm an insufferable /u/ fag. I mostly watched their VN shill streams and the streams leading up to graduation
So yeah, I am a cringe hololive poser and I'll watch them now they have the blue dorito. Problem?

>>55043122
Pekora
The way she rushes through games started to annoy me, and it only got worse since then.

>>55043122
None because I'm not a whore.

>>55108352
Anon, I actually read your entire post and I feel your pain. I never had Kronii as an oshi, but you have my sympathies. I'd recommend you my own oshis, but I know that's not how it works. Hope you find someone you like and that she stays that way.

>>55120756
>thinks incredibly mild albeit sensual asmr is by default GFE
you're delusional and mentally ill
>doesn't like being told he's not friends with a person he's never met and has made no attempt to do anything other than be entertaining
she's right
you're delusional and mentally ill

I'm kinda happy my oshi hasn't appeared more than a single time ITT. She's a good girl.

>>55122727
Based cuck anon. Eddy gets to lay in bed and have his balls drained while you defend me lady's honor on thy 4chan!

>>55121456
Same. But I came back recently because she plays SF6 now. Watching her get bodied by Korone gives me life.

>>55122969
Not everyone thinks of vtubers as their girlfriend.

>>55120379
>I have to change what she said for it to be in memeable format
This reads me more like you're upset that she called out idiots like you who SC'd boyfriend comments to her in the first place, and you have to deliberately lie about it being a targeted statement so you can keep spamming the catalog almost a whole year later.

>>55123025
Dry those tears then anon. You should be happy your oshi has a better man who keeps her satisfied in every way. Say it. Share how happy you are :)

>>55043122
Ame during the armageddon.

>>55125208
It's Amegeddon.
You came from Twitter or Youtube haven't you?

>>55043122
Kronii just because of how she handled the whole Tempus collab shitstorm back then, She really left a bad taste in my mouth + It kinda soured my view on her.
And IRyS later on for the same reason this anon >>55073132 said.

I think it's interesting that the majority of responses are HoloEN girls.
I suppose the type of people who would go out of their way to oshi JP girls are going to be far more devoted if they're willing to push through the language barrier, so they tend to drop them far less. Or maybe this is a sign that this board really has a lot more EOPs than I though, which begs the question of why there are even bait threads about JP girls in the first place

>>55123310
idk anon,
i don't feel any attachement to the person behind the chooba at all.
only to the character themselves.

>>55125512
It's a sign that EN has less self control and less self awareness.

>>55043122
Ame, romantic karaoke with altare

>>55126065
You do realise that wasn't a collab, right? She just got up a VOD and sang alongside it

>>55126489
You have like 10 girls with the same karaoke song, but she choose the only male who have sing it

>All these Kronii replies
Literally fucking HOW. She was the most boring Holo after debut. She did one stream of "Read the thing" which was mildly amusing and then spammed shitty indie games with zero fucking zatsu skills. How did she rope in so many people? Is it really just the Wada model? I know Fate is fucking huge but still.

>>55043122
Nenechi and Polka due to a shifting of my schedule and timezone issues. I used to be able to catch the early parts of their streams, but I had to change my sleep schedule and now I rarely catch them live, so I canceled mem. I still adore both of them though.

>>55043122
None, hope she can be more confident tho.

>>55126959
A lot of it is the model, yes. You're seeing it again with Shitori now.
Kronii has a higher JP viewership % than any of the other non-JP speaking EN girls.

>>55125354
No. I'm just not sure how much info I can divulge without getting banned.

>>55043122
She's still my second favourite, but Polka quickly became my kami oshi (also I still dislike her new model).

>>55043122
Pippa and Phase Connect as a whole. Because I had to learn the lesson the hard way that /here/ grifters don't actually care about you and will toss you aside when troon streamer cliques take interest in them.

>>55126959
EN viewers see a hot model and proceed to ignore everything else, including the red flags. Considering current events it seems that many didn't learn from their mistake.

>>55127704
It could've been worse.
Her new model could have turned out like Fubuki's.

>>55043122
Kiara. Got filtered by her voice.

>>55127704
Miko is still my kami oshi even though I've put her on the back burner for a while now. Still the only chuuba that I've consistently been subbed to (Since May 2020).
If I'm being honest, it feels like she's a bit less bombastic and a little more settled than she used to be. Since I'm a eop who dekinaid a long time ago the high energy is what keeps me interested in JP enough to watch regularly.

>>55125512
I started learning Japanese for my oshi, but I realized that she wasn't the person I thought she was, and so I stopped watching her. My motivation to learn Japanese died along with my attachment to her.
I won't mention her name though.
Also I had EN chuuba I could consider my oshi as well on EN side, but I moved on from that as well. Don't want to even remember all that shit desu

>>55126959
Yes, it really is just Saberface no space, and tits.

Lol what a bunch of fucking losers. I hardly watch full streams because vtubers never ever play the games or media I'm interested in and people in their 20s hardly have anything meaningful to say about life that you can't get from a good book. Watch whatever you're interested in and forget about dedicating your time to a single oshi. Or, at the very least, use the image of them as a stepping stone to better yourself and find your own real life equivalent.

I wanna be with IRyS and Ina as long as I can.
Life's been so busy that I can't even watch them that much now. So new ones are out of the questions for now. Also about the new ones, Shiori kinda seems interesting.

>>55120756
the only ASMR that could considered GFE is also explicitly labelled as a roleplay, the rest are just comfy and not GFE

and why would I be upset someone I have never talked to would say they're not my friend, most saplings watch fauna because she's entertaining and funny, the only people upset at that are scizos

>>55129721
Funnily enough I don't even like her ASMR whisper voice that much, Fauna is at her best when she is a dork, going on tangents and giggling all the way through.

>>55043122
Wouldn't exactly call Ame my oshi but she was the first chuuba I tried to watch regularly
It became impossible to do that because her streaming times became more and more inconsistent and I found her streams increasingly boring. Also my work got busier and I barely have time to watch streams anymore, these days I only watch my oshi even if she doesn't stream much either because she makes me happy.
>>55126959
Kronii was fucking huge back when Council debuted, the hype for her was unreal. Also got a model buff plus voice buff.

>>55130294
I watched her ASMR (and still do) before her reincarnation, (though I didn't make the connection till a few months after) so while I personally like that content as I use it to fall asleep I agree she's is at her best when being a dork, streams are always that nice mix between funny and comfy

>>55129721
Are the schizos in the room with us right now?

>>55043122
I used to watch Fauna regularly since I started watching holoEN with Council and she streamed at a good time for me, but a few months into this year I started feeling as if I was doing it out of obligation rather than free will, and I realized that I just didn't enjoy her anymore
I guess you could say her game choices ended up filtering me (also I hope one of the new girls streams earlier at some point)

>>55043122
I stopped watching Kronii because at some point she just started being generally miserable to watch, and I'm not talking about male collabs either since honestly I defended her during that stuff, it just sorta seems like around that time being a chuuba became a burden for her and she made no effort to hide it

if it's that horrible for her to be an idol or at least a likeable person then quit and find something new

>>55043122
Amelia, it was mostly due to the “improve yourself” talk she had, I knew as someone with an unhealthy attachment to her the whole HolostarsEN shit would hurt me even if I skipped her collabs with them, I then just decided to take a break from vtubers all together until FuwaMoco came around, I was able to watch vtubers again that made me smile and genuinely happy again like Ame did in the past

>>55133016
>called into multiple birthdays with a swollen ass face post surgery
>still managed to get over to Japan and do her HoloFes reps and managed to work in a birthday stream of her own even though most people assumed she wouldn't be in a position to do since she sounded like utter shit during Bae's and IRyS's birthday calls, barely a week out of surgery in the case of the rrat's
I dunno man, I can see why that sort of behavior would endear folks to her even if most people would have understood if she was completely out of commission for a good month.

>>55043122
I don't have oshis and just watch based on what they're doing

Never watched a stream. Only watched videos or clips of hololive. Realize I don't really give a shit about any of these girls. Stop and watch 12 hour youtube videos about my interests instead. New phase girl gets released. She plays autistic games. Hey, she's pretty smart and bulliable. Our interests are also kinda the same. Been watching her ever since. Her model and general autism is also a big plus to me. I just want her to do her best to not bore me and not be preachy. She's not been preachy or boring yet. If she does I'm dropping her ass. I don't give a fuck I've dropped tons of streamers before, she won't be the first. Most if not all I've forgotten about entirely. There's nothing these vtubers can actually give me aside from a fun time and if you're not meeting the bare minimum then why would I even subscribe. I'm not here to listen to some women talk about her problems or her interests. I'm not getting sex. I want to be entertained by a dancing monkey. Dance. Some of these girls have massive egos. LIke bitch I don't need to listen to this crap.

>>55043122
Gura, doesn't stream
Nerissa is my new oshi

I don't think I consider my favorite chuuba an oshi, but I am devoted to her. I bought her birthday merch and I'm a member but I will never bring myself to buy a super chat or donate in any other way. She's entertainment to me pure and simple. I feel like the moment I cross the threshold and consider her an oshi, I have lost.

>>55043122
One and never again. They'll never hurt me now.

>>55043122
Pomu, I can't believe that she keeps supporting niggisanji, my new oshi is Pippers

>>55043122
Finana. I liked her a lot during the Lazusidia days, but then the whole NijiEN just went downhill. I still check up on her from time to time to see if she did a new ASMR stream or something else remotely interesting, but all I see are gacha streams and collabs with men.

>>55043122
you just post her
nerissa is so much better than kronii

>>55126959
1) She didn't have an annoying squeaky voice.
2) It was actually possible to understand what she was saying.
3) She didn't sound like a kindergarten teacher.
4) Her model wasn't awful.

Kiara was my fav.
Unfortunately her voice became much worse after she left Japan half a year after debut and she started eating loudly on stream all the time. Also her constant whining over dumb shit started to get oldtho I didn't mind it nearly as much as her eating.

>>55043122
Haachama. She stopped caring about being a vtuber.

>>55108352
>Mostly just talking streams because every time she takes a break she has to tell everyone about it
>Then she has to do an SC catch-up stream too instead of pulling an Ina and focusing on content
>We might get one game stream a week later, a cancelled stream, then another break
as a ex kronie i never really realized things were like that but now that you point it out damn. You're right. The breaks were obvious but the fact that most of her streams (back when i watched her) were just talking and sc-thanking was insane. What's even crazier is that I was so into her that i didn't even really care 0_o

>>55136302
At this point you could shorten it to
>she stopped being

Reine
She started putting more distance between herself and her audience over time. She made good friends with some of the ID girls and would bail on streams at the last second to hang out with them, which is understandable but disappointing. Between them and Kiara she had enough friends where she wasn't really codependent on chat anymore, and her game choices were too bad to bother watching when she stopped being close to chat. I'm glad she's happy (or at least she seemed that way when I left) but she didn't have enough appeal to keep watching anymore. I hope she's doing alright these days.

>>55043122
all hoes from the get'

>>55125354
Was amegeddon just homocollabs or something worse

>>55128023
Nerissa is like watching the Kronii arc all over again. She's already gathering all the coomers and schizos under her banner.
I already know it will end in tears for everyone.

>Ctrl+F Kronii
>43 results
Sad to see how many got burned.

>>55142030
I know it's all in hindsight, but Kronii had many red flags the moment she debuted. By comparison, Nerissa has managed to dodge those same red flags so far (doesn't mean other ones won't crop up though).

The more I read this shit, the more I yearn for the early years of vtubing, before it gained traction outside of Japan.

>>55126959
so far people have mentioned the model buff and the voice buff, which both matter a lot. but, when she started she was REALLY desperate and innocent. there was room for growth. totally had the energy of a girl that puts out at the slightest affection.
>shitty indie games
to be fair, shitty indie games can be pretty good stream fodder.

Kronii and not even because of homo collabs, she just never really used her voice acting skills. That one kitchen short she did was so promising then nothing. ever.

>>55120756
please get some help. you never will know fauna, just like you will never know your favorite music artist. the illusion that you're close to her because of the medium is something you need to be aware of. i will say there is a certain amount of "closeness" that is possible, simply because of the realtime reaction and chatting, but that alone is simply not enough, and never will be enough to equate to friendship. enough can be gathered to form a position on whether or not to be a fan of any given vtuber, such as a horrible attitude, but "we can't be friends, i'm just an entertainer" is simply not what you should be mad about.
>>55126959
wada definitely helped, but i think she tickled a certain kind of itch that i connect to how western men are infatuated with asian women. it's not all of it, but i think it is a decent part. what's ironic is that all the kpop that comes out automatically ropes her into the same category of "she's korean eye candy, even though i only see her avatar." we could default to how booba is a magnet, but that's simply not enough. a large part, i think, is her attitude toward the world. i think a lot of kronies find themselves reflected in kronii, including the deeply deeply incorrect understanding on her part about existential dread, as well as her attitude of "fuck you, i'm right because yeah," which is quite tellingly at odds with what she said in her philosophy stream about how it's difficult to know what is right.
>>55136554
not to knock on you at all, but you didn't see it because you weren't in a position to be critical of her. i don't mean "OH MY GOD WHY DIDN'T YOU PLAY THE GAME MY WAY," but more like "hm...that might have been a misstep in how you handled the situation." it's a good sign to back away quickly when the fanbase does not allow for constructive criticism.
>>55142030
>>55142234
i agree. but i hope it doesn't end in tears. i fear that she will have some stumbles regarding cementing her identity as nerissa of gen3, not "nerissa who is a kfp who made it into hololive." it's clear that she has anxieties and personal idiosyncrasies (who doesn't?), but i think she has been quite healthy in her presentation of herself, minus the weeeewooooo, which i do find hilarious at times.

>>55142234
What were her red flags?

>>55144811
She was openly proud of her menhera tendencies, especially her whole doomer schtick of "existential dread". It's one thing to be depressed in private, but making it your personality and showing it off is never a good sign.

>>55144251
and she had personal life problems and needed to get away from her family and into her own place, of course people saviorfagged a little and wanted her to have a better life.
Practically the second she moved into her own place she because spiteful of her own fans, lazy and spoiled

>>55043122
Kronii
she will never sing Duvet

>>55145429
>needed to get away from her family and into her own place, of course people saviorfagged a little and wanted her to have a better life.
>Practically the second she moved into her own place she because spiteful of her own fans, lazy and spoiled
That whole period was genuinely baffling. It's like something else more important got left behind after she moved into her new apartment.

>>55145779
it was a tough time for her because of a family member who was schizo and capable of physically acting out the schizo. that means the threat continues to this day.
with that said, the period after is baffling like you said, and the saviorfagging was at a level that i cannot even begin to wrap my mind around.
overall, i wish her success, but i don't really see the elements in place to truly help her succeed, because what cripples her is that she wants to be happy completely on her terms. the world simply doesn't work like that.

>>55144753
>please get some help
ironic advice considering how long this post is, feels like you yourself need some help, it's just a mongolian basket weaving forum

>>55146334
show me your basket

>>55043122
Ame: she's a cunt
Gura: stopped streaming, she's back but i dont feel the way i felt when she streamed regularly.

>>55043122
Alban and it’s because I became a gachikoi. I can’t watch his streams without feeling shy and my heart does stupid shit. I don’t want to consider him an ex-oshi but I genuinely can’t watch him without feeling weird I haven’t even listened to his voicepacks I bought months ago.

>>55094784
I wonder why is Kronii even allowed to have a bunch of groomer mods like some twitch indie, I can't think of any other talent in a similar situation other than Matsuri with Lyger and that started before hololive got big so standards were a bit different. Shit like that should happened in the first place and Kronii had to deal with mess of her own creation, doesn't make her "based" just not completely suicidal about her hololive career or what's left of it, banning paypigs is not a bright idea most of the time so it's really more about basic survival instinct of a content creator.

>>55106908
Pretty sure some anons /here/ complained through letters on the report page and it tends to be effective.

>>55043122
I used to watch Suisei a lot but I had to stop because I want to kill myself and she makes me feel too good, even now.
I still adore her, though. If I get reborn or go back in time after killing myself, I will give her my everything.

>>55043122
Gura.
>Doesn't stream for months and kept posting on Twitter during that time.
>Became cancerous VTweeter.
>HoloAdvent announced.
>She finally starts to stream.
>Streams and overlaps the time with Advent's debut on purpose.
>The biggest vtuber overlapping and streaming at the same time as the new girls.
>Even streams for hours.
>Does this after months of not streaming or streaming consistently.
What Gura did was insanely petty, trying to sabotage and derail the new girls' momentum.
This pissed me off so much. I unsubscribed from her and refuse to watch her streams.
I refuse to be a chumc.uck anymore. Also she might be jewish. More reason to hate her.

>>55044874
As another ex-Teamate, it was a multitude of things. At first I found her bitchiness and Ameway shenanigans funny, but it wore me down over time and I started to find it annoying instead of endearing. I started watching her less and less, especially once IRyS came out and I started watching her more and more instead. I even broke my original "only one membership" rule and membered both of them for awhile. Then one day I tuned into a collab Ame was part of, and the volume on her stream was really low for the other girls. Chat told her that the volume was too low, and she screamed at chat to stop bullshitting her and she knew it was fine, then turned the volume up as high as possible and left it that way for awhile. That was the last straw for me, I closed the stream, cancelled my membership, and haven't watched her since. After seeing how things have gone since Tempus came out, I feel like I dodged a bullet

>>55058347
>Criken

da fuck is that?

>>55146334
he replied to five different people. cope harder, because cope is what you'd need to overcome whatever your creepy hold up is. i got filtered by kroni fairly early so i was never really a fan, but everything i read in >>55144753 seems too rational for a fucking chan board.

>>55142030
I don't think Nerissa is going to end up going the Kronii route, she's too much of an idolfag, and understands her role. Shiori is the only one I see going the Tempus collab route, if management is even allowing that to happen anymore.

>>55152406
Why do you have to call that anon a creep? Im not a creep. Im not a bad person. Its this kind of constant rudeness and negativity that drove me to vtubers in the first place. Vtubers are the only source of positivity and companionship I've ever had. I don't get why "real friends" and people in real life have to be so unbearably mean all the time. How can you expect anyone to listen to you when you make no attempt to empathize with people like me? I've never met anyone i had anything in common with except for vtubers. Going out to socialize does not help, because I don't meet people I enjoy. I have been nothing but abused my entire life. Why can't I have my vtuber friends? I've had "friends" before, all they do is insult you and put you down and take you for granted. That is what all real friendships are, and its totally normalized.
At this point I just accept i was born in a bad country in a bad city with a bad culture to a bad family. I can only shrug and try to be happy in spite of this.
So yeah I have no problem being parasocial. It's the only social you can be nowadays

please tell me all the dirt you guys have on
>kronii
>fauna
so i can actually make an informed decision on who to make my oshi
thanks

>>55154563
you are unwell and we want you to heal. please speak to your doctor about these feelings.

>>55154641
>goes on /vt/
>reads thread about dropping oshis
>thread is consistently about being burned by kroni
>still wants an oshi
>kroni is on that list
You are too retarded anon. None of these whores are improving or will improve you for the better. Go and watch some en3 instead if you want someone to be your oshi. Fauna has her problems but as far as EN goes she's one of the better oshis to have at this point.

Gura. I've been enjoying her far less for over a year now since she's been streaming less with absolutely zero communication and bullshit excuses. Her game choices have also been really whack for the most part, and I can see the motivation and appreciation she once had is no longer there. I've completely stopped watching her with the recent Mumei collab because she was absolutely disgusting in it, something about collabs brings out her really nasty side and the cute shark loli from debut is non-existent now. The choice to drop her was also fueled by the fact that the new dog twins are just way better and more entertaining than her in every way. Actual idols and they have no problem maintaining kayfabe.

Kronii - She's just not interesting or does interesting things. She's good in watchalongs at least
Fauna - Recently dropped membership. She used to be fun and interesting but I feel like the mask is slipping more and more and I kind of don't like some of the things she says or does. She's also been boring lately with her fucking tree minecraft streams
Gura - Her "mentally unwell" arc was my stopping point. Disappearing for months to reappear for a couple weeks with promises only to disappear again is a shit move. Movie May was such a huge success
Bae - Recently dropped. Too many zatsus and I I feel like she doesn't know what she's doing anymore and goes with shock value rather than effort. She'll always pick the worst choice for everything in her life as well. Throat starting to hurt? I'm going to do 5 hours of karaoke and drink coffee. Hurt myself rock climbing and I have a lot of performances to record? I still will go rock climbing because I want to. It's really frustrating that she'll ignore everyone and then complain.

>>55150457
Allegedly the mods are personal friends or PL paypigs, which is why Kronii has so many and cover hasn't fired them all.

>>55158116
>She used to be fun and interesting but I feel like the mask is slipping more and more and I kind of don't like some of the things she says or does.
Any examples anon? I'm not a sapling but i do like Fauna so i'm curious.

>>55157260
>because she was absolutely disgusting in it

what'd she do I didnt watch it?

>>55154641
kronii's problems are tremendous, fauna's are typical. go with fauna.

>Kronii
I moved on to a funnier source of comedic Canadian suffering.
>Pomu
The number of Metal Gear games is finite.

>>55158116
i'm trying to hold onto fauna, but i'm slipping steadily
that's an interesting observation about bae. never would have thought of it. but her recklessness is also what made me glad to revoke membership.

>>55126959
Wada Arco's design really helps grabbing people's attention right off the bat.

>>55158640
i cannot imagine what he's talking about. other than the part where they were prudes about showing their stomachs i can't even hinge a wild speculative guess on what might have offended him.

>>55126959
Model, voice, dry / deadpan humor

>>55076893
>It’s all just a job to her and that’s too bad.

She doesn't take it seriously as a job either very low stream hours, few projects or ideas.
Really Council as a whole seem to have this "I guess we are in hololive now huh" attitude from the start with no clear goals or enthusiasm, they came expecting to become popular and more often than not felt annoyed with attention rather than grateful like Myth was, I don't remember any one of them crying out of happiness or anything either. Kronii is just the biggest offender here outside of Sana because she doesn't really have a good excuse to be so out of it, she was hired for voice acting skills and refused to actually use them for hololive.

>>55154563
>I have been nothing but abused my entire life. Why can't I have my vtuber friends?
Because virtual relationships are inherently incomplete and detached from the human experience, no matter if your feelings of bonding are real. It will never be enough, especially when you're talking about what's essentially a celebrity who is quite literally unable to connect with you on a personal level. I'm deeply sorry to hear that you've had such shit experiences with people, but vtubers are not responsible for your mental state any more than a musician or an actor is, and the sooner you realize this the better, since even if any chuuba might show up and act like they're actually your friend and they love/care for you, they will never be able to truly mean it even if they wanted to, and you have to make peace with that fact, for YOUR sake, otherwise you'll inevitably get hurt again when they get real for whatever reason, and no amount of pants shitting will help with that. Also if you can't handle a chuuba anymore, learn to just move on and look for another one; there's like a million trillion more chuubas and you're bound to find one that won't mistreat you I guess, but then again you're still dealing with human beings, and contrary to what you might think they're not deliberately out to get you.
It's great that you've found shelter in this hobby from the shit life you've had so far anon, but you also have to have some self awareness and more realistic expectations, these people are not therapists. I also can't imagine that the fact you frequent a place that's so unapologetically fucking negative such as this cesspool of a board can be helping you in any way, unless you only stick to the last actual fucking discussion threads left (generals). A lot of people here seem to be specifically designed to make you more miserable.

I genuinely don't mean to lecture you but it looks like it turned out that way anyway

>>55166440
you are not fit for this place, kind soul. leave now, with our blessing, and do good elsewhere.

>>55166672
no we need more like him

>>55166672
no you dumb nigger we need "kind souls" to fucking stay not tell them to go away. anonymity needs to stop being exclusively associated with people being miserable assholes already.

>>55167298
i hope you're not equating legitimate criticism with being a miserable asshole.

>>55167298
this place doesn't deserve temperance. i want him to leave so he can go be useful where it will matter. people like you are why this place is lost.

>>55105271
anon sorry to break it to you but it's not just ame. Just look at Cali, or jp big hits like Pekora and Suisei and literally everyone else. They'll always say they will improve their English, it is still debut year english level or even worse. Their dancing did improve but it's more of a time-sunk thing over a deliberate thing. Not against you personally but that's pretty much everyone overpromising and never delivering because they have no reason to seeing how popular they are.

>Kobo

Toxic

>>55161193
probably because she did a hyped up collab the day right after the new gen debuts, taking audience away from them. Her lack of and complete nonexistent mention of the new gen is disturbing.

>>55167526
>legitimate criticism
There's barely any of that on this board save for a handful of posts in these kinds of threads and in generals, everything else is just retarded console war tier shit designed to piss people off.

>>55164644
nta but do you not remember how non-chalant most of myth was about getting 1 million subs? maybe gura's crazy success made then jealous or something but they seemingly did not give a shit about reaching 1 million subs, ame especially comes to mind, she just made a passing comment in some stream

Coco because she graduated.

>>55168409
oh, okay that does seem more reasonable an excuse. blown way out of proportion but at some level yeah i do think it wasn't good of gura to overlap poor rissa like she has been.

>>55043122
Using Reddit spacing here, too bad. I've watched Vtubers since around the RE7 streams of Kizuna Ai and some videos of Aqua, but never really got into them until a few years ago.

Pikamee, she went to Twitch

Kiara, she swears way too much and cries at the drop of a hat. Chat is insufferable. She is the true GFE, and I'm not putting up with that shit.

Ina, she said she would have to take a long break at the risk of her own health, but that she would definitely keep us updated on how things are going, like a member post or something. Never did, she went dark for 90 days only to then claim that she just slept in a few days, forgot her phone, then went to visit friends and go to Japan. Unsubbed, unmembered, ignored any video that has her since then.

>>55168468
They've tried to be humble out of respect for their senpais, Gura in particular.

>>55169326
>kiara is the true GFE
anon.....you are so fucking right

>>55137206
Cry me a river, Anton.

finana.
for dropping F1 watchalong stuff.

>>55154641
she works in a company that goes against her beliefs and will never align with her beliefs. it's astounding that she chose to apply to begin with. the only conclusion was the prospect of money. over time, you can see the conflict she has in her demeanor with the things that are expected of her. when she starts going into gfe territory, it's a bit jarring, knowing what she truly believes.
this isn't immediately obvious, but if you give her chance and look past the ribbon, you'll see what i'm talking about.
otherwise, you might like her, because she satisfies something you're missing. in that case, it would be a reflection

>>55072416
i get that

>>55175655
mostly the money but also she clearly didnt know or care much about hololive before joining, not knowing Ahoy speaks to knowing less than any rando off the street

>>55169326
>ina
I still can't believe that shit happened and she basically got away with it. literally wtf

>>55089927
Gura and Ina. COVID gave me the chance to learn Japanese and I did. I still like them but now I found other vtubers that fit my taste better. I won't name them because they're not part of a big corpo and this thread is a little too negative for me to feel comfortable sharing

>>55144640
>>55164644
>voice acting
because she's using the "skills" elsewhere

>>55154641
Fauna has one yab that's questionable to begin with and can be excused by miscommunication. Other than that she is very safe, possibly the safest right now.

>>55154641
Kronii is a doomer nutjob who hates the shit out of her chat. Kronies are a bunch of faggots, but it still rubs me the wrong way when chuubas hate their viewers that much.
Fauna's only big yab was telling her viewers they can't be friends. Which came out of left field because she always seemed really close to her chat. She also plays that shitty block game a lot.

>>55180061
>Which came out of left field
Everyone was joking that her meeting Kronii and Calli irl would result in something like that happening, insane that it actually happened IMMEDIATELY afterwards

>>55052948
she gets frustrated on the smallest of things and take it out on chat constantly. she obviously has some narcisistic disorder, even if very small

>>55180383
i was not aware of the kronii calli meeting, but jokes aside, i think that's more coincidence, since it was a particular superchat that prompted her response.

>>55061965
I feel you. It's actually embarassing how much devasted and depressed i got when i dropped my oshi
(its Ame btw, for a lot of the same reasons other anons pointed out)

>>55169326
>The Ina shit.
What the hell? So she litterally just doesn't care about vtubing.

>>55064783
unironically very great response, can't imagine what it will feel like when i'm 5 years into this and look in the past.
UNIRONICALLY thanks for sharing that

>>55182299
i would say ina cares infinitely more than kronii does.

>>55182299
I would say that she used to care at the 1st year of HoloEN

>>55182230
the only devastation i feel is the lost membership fees. seriously, i would have loved to not spend that money, because i now have gen3.

>>55125512
Most of the people on this board are/were holoen fans so most of the people responding in this thread will talk about holoen members, there's not necessarily any other correlation.

Never got into EN. I see that was the right choice.

>>55122924
dropping an oshi requires said oshi to be inconsistent. fauna is the queen of consistency

>>55179888
her 'yab' wasn't really a yab, get baited by someone notorious for saying dumb shit in supers and gave a surprisingly healthy and well adjusted response. if anything it solidified her as my oshi

>>55151119
You chose to see it that way. shes actually been half consistent ever since her birthday. which was before advent was announced

i think her 1,5 month of no stream before that was due to the stress and work of doing her animated MV opening, original song and dance for LA and birthday stuff.

I cant bring myself to believe any of her actions have such deep malicious intent. its clear to me tgat she enjoys streaming a lot. but the pressure of being the biggest makes her push for these "unique" things like 3d MV's and animated songs. which stresses her out

I get it if you cant keep with her inconsistency. but theres no way you can convince me she hates her fans and her job and is malicious enough to go back just to fuck over advent

>>55184666
embarrassing

>>55157260
please elaborate on that. that collab was very cute and extremely normal, cant see what you saw.

>>55121259
??? The hell does that even mean, all indies will never grow and they will abandon streaming after 4 months. People who watch indies have bad standards