/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

Mr. Jap fixed it

The introduction of the Jap System™.

>>54808551
I never undesrstood what's the point of subbed EN clips. They speak your own language. What do you need subs for?

>>54808551
Ah, gossip girl is spilling company internals again because she has no content

gura only comes back to stream when a new gen is coming because she doesn't want her fans to peel off, if you must know

>>54808551
Dimitri stronger than the tranny

>>54808551
There's no hard proof that Cover purged EN management for fucking up with Tempus and the intergender collab spam but evidence strongly points towards it.

>>54808551
Maybe they realized that the whole tech company thing should not be driving the creative side.
Computer programmers suck at making things that are any kind of interesting.

>>54808647
free money

>>54808647
for ESLs I guess, when I was just learning English, it was very helpful to have subs on videos, because some words I couldn't quite catch or didn't know how to type them out, because English is that retarded, where sounds and actual letters are inconsistent.

>>54808647
For new ESL its way easier to read subs than understand voice

>>54808551
Jap-sama saved EN. There is some kind of irony there.

Gura striked while Kiara and some councilrys members asked for support.
Upper management stepped in and BTFO'd the omegacrew/ or probably just added a bunch more staff.

Like the brapper got stopped from trying to poison the new mems during training

>>54808647
Part of the YouTube monetary algorithm prevents clippers from just reposting clips. The captions are there to justify it as a service rather than a copy of the original. Also, I'll bet some esl people appreciate the subtitles.

>>54808551
After they realized that trying to copy NijiEN was going no where and the Tempus project was just making the atmosphere in EN gloomy. Gura probably took those long breaks in the first place to avoid the homobeggers.

>>54808647
Its all SEAnigs making clips so they can farm money, not actual English speakers. You can tell because they make very obvious mistakes.

>>54808551
Even calli is ceasing rm activities soon. Wtf happend

>>54808820
>where sounds and actual letters are inconsistent.
Scyll ishew.

do you rike it >:3

>>54808721
Literally still kneeling.

>>54809017
>israel
Jap-sama I kneel

>>54808647
A lot of people watch things on their phones and don't always have access to audio for various reasons. Subtitles means you can watch a video anywhere and audio content is available to you.

>>54809069
This guy real or just a meme?

>>54808938
>Like the brapper got stopped from trying to poison the new mems during training
Come on, you are using that as against Mori? Also she isn't some powerful villain that can manipulate people. That was always kronies cope.

>>54809184
Kek I'll 100% believe she corrupted Kronii, the details just line up too perfectly

I hope 2 years from now the dogs will get lazier and leave the mic on when one of them has to use the restroom

>>54808551
I definitely think things changed when they had to lock the subreddit when tempus 2 debuted. Just compare how many collabs the first wave had compared to this lot. It seems they instantly realised they made a mistake and have been trying to course correct ever since.

>>54809269
That will always be Kronies cope.

>>54809378
Repeating it doesn't make it true brapfart

>>54809427
It does.

>>54808551
When all the shareholder/stocks shit began. Hololive is in the verge of becoming a global/mainstream brand

>>54809022
I understand, but it's still retarded.

>>54809017
Israel i checked and it's true. HoloEN waking up, it was really near to be too late.

Jap System: different management for hololive and stars, no more holopro unity bullshit (only the twitter will stay or the sisters will go mad). The best management goes to the ones making the money. Force the talents to stream or at least communicate on twitter. No more favoritism for starsEN since Omega was fired for being incompetent, investigations are opened to the members who were breaking NDA and that omega hid them. More facilities to holoEN and now managers are required to have babysitting skills

>>54808647
Subs are useful in general, even if it is the native language.
If proper real-time subs could be done, it would be great, but for some reason, voice recognition is still hilariously fucking terrible despite advances.
Translation, now that's a whole different story, because even human translators (good ones) fuck that part up on a bad day.

Plus, it also helps if someone is learning the language.
If you are at a point of being able to read sentences and understand the word order properly, you can generally understand the flow of the sentence as it is being spoken, those little subtle pauses between words, like being able to tell the difference between "be leaving" and "believing" through context, because something like "I'll believing" wouldn't make sense.
The text definitely helps people in that regard.

>>54808551
EN had been stagnating for a long time
with new management and a new branch they might be able to restore it

I don't see your knees on the floor, Anon >:3

>>54810023
I believe the reason so many Americans need dubs is because their media is unsubbed, so they never built up the skill to read quickly enough to catch up with the footage.

right im sure gura is returned for good this time, this time its different she really misses us UUUU UUUU U UOUUUHHHHH make rape

>>54808647
because mumei is way too hard for ESLs to understand

>>54809132
new /vt/ boogieman who will be hated in a couple of weeks/months down the line

>>54808647
Mumei and Fuwamoco are a thing.

>>54808647
Japanese clippers clip Japanese vtubers. Most EN clippers are ESL's.

>>54808647
what, you don't want subs for things in english as they're saying them?
god I hate that shit

Mumei is very easy to understand. The new jp esl tards are incomprehensible.

>>54809269
It was only Kronii's own fault for being a whore.

>>54810139
Yah, probably.
I was always regularly watching subbed,TV shows in the UK, both native and foreign, usually late at night.
Saw Timecrimes at like 1am once, fucking loved it, top Spanish time travel film.
Likewise many anime that was just subbed.

Although I do remember one time, I tended to have English subs on at night because I liked the silence. Just liked listening to the wind blowing the trees, the occasional car drive by.
So subs it was.
I remember I was falling asleep. Half asleep, The Cleveland Show was on, Cleveland said something about being a so many "pounds killing machine" (forgot the number), the realtime subber put the weight "pounds" as the fucking British sterling symbol.
I immediately gained full consciousness thinking "oh fuck off". Never got back to sleep after that.
Context issues strike again kek

>>54808965
>>54808938
the way Gura was talking in the members' stream I want to say, it could be interpreted as her having depression. That said it could also be that she literally physically has an illness. Like she said "didn't feel great" so there was an argument in /ggg/ if she meant illness or depression. She was giving menhera/depression symptoms before the hiatus though. At the time she said was sleeping on a mattress with no sheets, only eating twix and falling asleep with a twix in bed, getting it on her pj pants and then going to the gas station to buy food in her pj pants that had twix on them and looked like she shat herself

>>54810045
>EN had been stagnating for a long time
Honestly, I blame the standard being set with Myth as gen 1. COVID buff made them seem like a huge success regardless of who the talents were, and despite their being strong talents like Gura and Ame, hugbox culture prevented the underperforming Kiara and Ina who didn't really contribute much to Hololive as a whole from being criticized for not really living up to the content quality standard expected from Hololive. When Council debuted and they were pretty much more of the same but without the COVID buff, it seemed obvious, but again, Hololive hugbox culture prevented criticism of the underperformers (look how many people pretend they cared about Sana even to this day).
With EN3, it looks like they've finally straightened their shit out and put out of a gen of talents who, independently of people literally being locked inside with their computers, can thrive as entertainers and actually grow the brand.

>>54809017
based fucking jap

>>54809184
It was kronii's fault for being a whore, but mori was absolutely pushing for it and tweeted that "winner winner chicken dinner" tweet after kronii said she would continue faggot collabing.
There was something going on, because that was around the time of the Rust arc where all of a sudden mori and ame were friends even though they had almost never solo collabed and you had that whole weird thing of Gura hanging out with the JPs and purposely avoiding mori and ame and then when she noticed IRyS and Bae switched to their team chat and then headshotted mori so she wouldn't have to talk to her

They are not even letting Mori talk with them so she can't start with her "take it easy, go on break as much as possible" bullshit, so that's nice

>>54810835
But Mori did say she has talked to some of them.

>>54808551
They sacked the actual no-bullshit behind-the-scenes villain of HoloEN, simple.

Who is this jap guy

>>54810786
So is there civil war happening or what?

>>54808551
>Omega gets hired
>pretty obvious he was an obnoxious terminally online person who was obsessed with politics over the company itself
>was the rubber stamp that allowed girls to collab with homos
>omega gets fired
>gura starts streaming again
>Kiara seems way happier
>we get one of the best new gens to date once omega's grubby fingers are off the talent scoping


I'm not entirely sure. But if I keep investigating I'm sure the answer will come to me.

>>54811093
Wow, it's like an all out war out there.

>>54811093
There was, it started to fell apart once vesper got suspended the first time, it ended once Jap sama took over

>>54808994
This is the only proper answer. They don't do this because they're Hololive fans either, clip channels are all money making sweatshops owned by people in SEA who know eachother through discord. They all clip the same lewd bait shit, make similar spelling mistakes, have channels that say they're from Indonesia, Malaysia, Singapore etc.

>>54810139
its not that, its that you can't watch the action, listen to the thing and read all at the same time

>>54811504
>its that you can't watch the action, listen to the thing and read all at the same time
you can if you aren't a literal mouthbreathing retard

>>54810360
mumei is kind of annoying to understand because she talks fast, mumbles and generally acts like a retard. its fine if you are a native speaker, but I can see how she can filter ESLs with the fact that a lot of times she will be making noises, but it will all just be nonsense

>>54808618
What you mean Dimitri Jap?

>>54810192
>do something good
Is liked
>shit the bed
Is hated

I don't see where is the problem

>>54811093
if there was, there isn't anymore. Gura has done one on one streams with Ame and kronii since then.

>>54811607
the guy who posted that is obviously retarded, but there is a lot of shit specifically in anime where you are definitely missing out on detail being stuck watching the action in your peripheral vision while you focus on subs (actual studied concept)

>>54810491
shes a nympho

>>54811607
which one of us owns the moon and which one of us is an ESL monkey? last I checked, we conquered you and forced you to learn our language, cuck

>>54811504
Our children's media is subbed. It's not that hard.

>>54808551
When Gura disappeared, actualy. It turns out she was too busy settling the matter with her own miniature hands.

>>54808647
Japan has done subbed reality TV for a long time. They add effects to the text to give it character or draw attention to certain words. Otherwise I guess people just want to have a script for the dialogue, but the funny thing is that I've seen many instances of misheard words/transcript. It's all a matter of how good your fluency is relative to the subtitler I guess.

>>54811991
>>54811891
go watch something like dairanger and tell me if you can read it and catch all the action and catch all the acting performances at the same time. the action scenes in dairanger are so good, but its a slog to get through some of the more talking scenes

>>54809989
The ball got rolling because Myth and some of Council went right to Japan to complain to the main branch. Does nobody else remember that a bunch of EN went to Japan including the ones who didn't have a 3D live.

Kiara talked about meeting management with Gura and ever since 2022 Gura and Kiara have been rather close aka tard wrangler Kiara realized how bad things really are and stepped in to fix it.

Right after the meeting Gura suddenly dripped a shit ton of covers and collabs with JPs which was more rare then a Unicorn at the time.

>>54811938
I'm american, you dipshit. Subtitles are for people who dropped out of high school to smoke mad weed in the trailer park.

Holy meds, you schizos

>>54812099
Bad example buddy. I can understand Japanese now.

>>54810107
i will kneel once Shiori has gone 3 months without homo collab.

>>54808551
Mr. Jap replaced Omegatroon

>>54810107
i kneel when shiori's fans make her graduate like mysta

When Gura came back

>>54808551
After Kiara killed Omega personally in mortal combat (by dance-off).

>>54811150
Has anyone ever uncovered omega troons identity? I want to know more about who we are blaming

>>54811093
The war is over

>>54808689
ah, poorfagchama seething again because he can't watch streams

Remember when haachadma invaded en and then got kicked out by en management? Fuck you omegafaggot

>>54812846
Didn't they also make Kiara "fix" that hole in Minecraft.

>>54808551
Dec 2022 when Cover hired Mr. Jap (and replaced the previous director who's supposedly Omega)
It was too late to halt the trainwreck of a decision to ACCELERATE tempus 2 before EN3
But he stopped the nijification afterwards, and some holo EN talents have talked about how things are looking up lately
He's the director that was in charge of the string of events from myth 3D showcases to CtW concert, finalized advent hiring and organized their incredible debuts
Not to say everything is sunshine and rainbows during his reign - there have been a couple missteps over the last half year, but nothing in the level of the shitshow that was 2022

>>54810562
>Kiara
>underperforming
still the second most SCs in EN btw, she so massively overperformed that no one in Council has even gotten close to her first year earnings after two years

Mr.Jap

>>54808647
Burgers struggle with English, especially from ESLs

>>54810310
Japanese clippers put japanese subtitles into it. Partly because of their variety show TV culture but some sub every word. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ij6FMSNTHrU

>>54813173
People think Kiara underperforms because of her CCV but she just plays a ton of long form games. She still gets a ton of views. Already ticked 10k more subs since this.

>>54812119
Kiara and Gura got close because mama and papa shark contacted the girls because they needed a tardwrangler for their tardhelmet wearing daughter. That is why kiara left and then immediately went back to japan a week later and there is seriously like only like 2 gura stories that doesn't involve kiara, ina, jenma or ame babysitting her and both are just her going to the kombini or vending machine alone at night. Kiara even said that when she got back to japan recently Gura didn't have a tard wrangler for a day or 2 and was just sitting in her room on instagram all day
look at what happened with mumei
>first trip with Bae goes great because she has Bae and fauna tardwrangling her
>second trip she almost starves to death because she is too retarded to order food and the manager had to force her to eat vegetables, buy her cookingware and bae had to say on stream she was talking mumei grocery shopping

>>54808551
Thank the Jap

>>54813784
This was probably also one of her worst months ever in hours streamed.

>>54813784
out of all EN gals who gets the least CCV + SC's?

>>54813784
how does braphog have so many fucking views?

It was grim for a while until Connect the World was announced. We didn't know back then but that was a sign that things were turning around for a couple of months already.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRXQfaIZnqw

The failure of Tempus exposed the disaster of EN management to the main branch at Cover, it's very easy to picture how the previous managers were all about woke bullshit and wanted to nijify holoEN badly, they probably kept telling the main branch that "homos would fix everything, the western audience is different to the japanese one, everyone will love Tempus and they'll be 50 times bigger than Luxiem and will revive the interest for HoloEN as a whole!", everything was riding on the homos to be successful and as we all know, it was a massive failure for everyone involved, including some of the girls.

It's a very common occurrence in all kinds of corpos, the one guy with some power that believes his own lies and SWEARS that he got his shit together and that he's right and his idea will be 90000% more successful than anything else, only to flop in a very embarrassing display.

>>54808551
When they went to JP the first time. Cover locked them in a room without food and beat them with light sticks until they promised to do better.

>>54814682
Hot

>>54814000
she streams a lot.

>>54808647
For ESLs. I agree though they should have JP subtitles.

>>54808647
I've noticed some clippers getting more and more ESL over time. They seem to be intentionally using broken english to pander to the SEA crowd.

>>54814000
What do you think? Her music.

>>54814109
The hilarious thing to me about that is I saw that in real time with my old job. The boss's son was given a managerial job of the plant I worked at and he ran everyone out trying to change things for him, now there's no one working there. Glad that EN didn't go down that route and changed course.

>>54811093
There was, and the Gura/Kiara idol faction won, Omegay got yeeted, the blatant "HoloPro" integration push was halted

>>54814682
haven't Gura, kiara and mumei explicitly say they are into shit like that? hell, gura feels comfortable enough to say on stream that kiara wants girls to tie her up

>>54811093
there was, but it wasn't the fight inside the company that did it. It was the fact that the faggots and fag enablers had their numbers tank that ended the war

>>54814000
Unironically mostly just her music. Making palatable 3 minute long content that is easy for normies to put in a playlist shuffle racks up the superficial views pretty fast, just don't confuse it with "actual views" i.e. what ccv and vod views she gets on her normal streams. Those hundreds of thousands or millions of views from her songs are mostly people who don't tune in to her actual streams. Her regular average there is in the bottom third of HoloEN, inb4 cuckbraps cope "b-but that doesn't count because she streams debuff content!!" yeah excuses, if Gura or Fauna would stream the very same games they would have at least double the views of the brapper, showing it's not actually so much about the content as it is about the entertainment quality and talent to make people tune in regardless of content, and Mori simply has less than the others.

>>54814109
There is no way they didn't at least somewhat expect Tempus to "fail". The main branch got years of expierence with Holostars afterall.
>>54815138
Here is the thing. clips bring in money. so much that they start hiring cheap transcribers but they are mostly from SEA, also India.

>>54808551
The wheels probably went into motion when they went public and realized they actually needed to put work into the EN side instead of letting them rot and bleed market share daily.

>>54808551
Dimitri Jap is an obvious meme for the Gura anti-trooon faction. It's not even a meme anymore since she won. Jap literally gives Gura all the power over EN.

>>54815866
Based ojisans making sure Yagoo doesn't slack off. If they keep up the pace we'll have HoloES, HoloEU, HoloKR, and HoloSoapland by 2025.

>>54808551
They fired Omega and hired based Jap

Just guesswork but it seems like in exchange for much greater support, the talents also have proportionally higher workloads too

I think chumbuds are giving Gura a little too much credit in all this. I seriously doubt a retard wearing a helmet is some mastermind with foresight.

>>54816072
based

>>54816252
>the talents also have proportionally higher workloads too
Both Kiara and Mori have been pretty vocal about their disdain for this because management sometimes goes about it in the most retarded way possible and they just have to suck it up and do what they're told.

>>54816252
>tfw Fauna just took a ~10 day break recently to catch up with her offstream work
I choose to believe

>>54808792
Omega has been memory holed, Advent has much less lore faggotry than Council, there obviously has been a regime change behind the scenes

>>54816072
I want to believe this. It would be too kino.

t. Holo insider
As you may already guessed, mr. Jap came into the EN office with division of sad ex-Milicja Obywatelska and Stasi officers with batons, beat all trannies and nepo hires and replaced them with japanese salarymans

>>54815810
>There is no way they didn't at least somewhat expect Tempus to "fail". The main branch got years of expierence with Holostars afterall.
Remember, that was also around the time when Luxiem's relative success made EN male vtubers seem "viable" for the first time, and Cover was probably in a little bit of a panic mode over losing the first-mover-advantage in this underserved market segment they previously thought unimportant.
This also emboldened the sjw twitter troon faction in EN management (Omegay and the tranny reddit staff etc.) to push through their plan for "HoloPro integration" i.e. Nijisanjification of HoloEN to destroy muh toxic idol culture and own le evil incel chuds.

Well, fast forward and male vtubers don't seem to be too hot anymore, the Niji side cooled off and the StarsEN side is kind of a mess with some talents even being suspended and most of the rest being 3views, basically back to where StarsJP began years ago. So somewhere down the road the higher ups at Cover HQ seemed to take a hard look at what EN's trajectory was and (probably with input from the Gura/Kiara idol faction) decided to shake up the staff and course-correct back to a more idol-oriented way closer in line to what made Hololive so popular with the original audience and stopped caring less about what a vocal minority of troons on twitter that don't donate or watch streams want.

>>54816647
They should have realized that Luxiem's success was solely due to menhera chinese fujos. They had more than enough experience dealing with the bugs to realize that such and audience is unsustainable and not worth it in the end

Did the one guy who modded the reddit get canned as well?

>>54813170
>missteps
Whatever you think those were, parading Kronii in bikini is enough to make up for it, at least for me.

>>54813170
what are the sources for these claims?

Didn't you watch the clip catalogchama? She said things were changing ever since Myth debut.

>>54814109
even if EN management is behind the failure that is tempus, at the end of the day, yagoo is still the head honcho. ultimately, it's a yagoo misstep, and a very costly one.

>>54808820
Blame the French. I'm a burger and I do the same.

>>54816603
It's a nice fantasy, but Nerissa is Kronii's nepohire. No I'm not just saying that because they look similar, do your reps.

>>54817997
if you did your actual reps and not your bullshit crossfit fake reps you'd know she's actually Gura's nepohire

>>54808647
I'll add to all of the other valid reasons, that deaf vtuber fans exist too and we appreciate those kind of clips even though I know it's made for money, not for helping us

>>54816647
them throwing out Tempus 2 so shortly after Tempus 1 really suggests they thought it would be a massive success

>>54816252
Gotta wonder kind of work it would be, but vocal training and dance lessons are probably higher up on the list of work related activities now that they can participate in 3D events.

>>54818213
on non-vtuber streams i've noticed that youtube machine generated CC are really good. your opinion?

>>54816647
>the Niji side cooled off
That's underselling it, niji fucking collapsed and is still collapsing, the turning point was after all out war was declared, it was all downhill from there.

>>54809017
D..didnt she just post some shitty voice acting reel thing like 2 days ago? kek

>>54816647
>>54814109
Even if they didn't succeed compared to Niji's homos they still did relatively well compared to their HoloStars senpai, to the point where most of them mentioned that management had told them to temper expectations and expect to be in the same view range. They're definitely not pulling in the same numbers as the girls but speaking from a numberfag perspective and compared to StarsJP they've at the very least made back their investment. On the scale of missteps I'd say Tempus was on par with movies that make back their production and marketing budget, breaking even but by no means being a massive success, ultimately ending up as a forgettable hiccup. For me an outright failure would have almost killed the company, like the unholy shitshow of Bud Light and Dylan Mulvaney.

>>54818412
honestly what the fuck went wrong with NijiEN, they started pretty well from what i heard and saw in /vt/

>>54818509
poor pomu. she could have been so great, but now she's reduced to male collabs. kiara won't even collab with her anymore.

>>54818222
Nope, I'm willing to bet omega saw the writting on the wall and rushed the 2nd gen before he got kicked out as his last move.

>>54818509
Too much chuuba churn. They kept shotgunning new gens and splitting the take on all their existing talents, which resulted in some getting disproportionate audience numbers to the detriment of their genmates. Hololive and other corps use a more measured approach, letting the audiences build up and the gens establish themselves before releasing new talents into the pool.

>>54818482
Anonchama, tempus may have been a success relative to starsJP, but at what cost? The girls lost a significant % of viewers

>>54818157
Gura mentioning yandere simulator is not on par with two people working together in the same industry. Not to mention for the same game studio.

>>54808551
Unironically the ban from playing Hogwart's Legacy from the previous management was what did it.

>>54818793
The girls have been losing viewers for ages, the main reason being their lack of airtime. Kronii and Ame were the worst hit because of how they handled the situation individually, not due to the fags in particular. Even then the numbers show that while some talents lost out the other girls who actually streamed gained a proportional amount of viewers, so the actual pool didn't change much, just the distribution.

>>54818509
Karma is no joke, that's something I learned in life, the moment they were throwing gift cards I knew they would eventually fall by their own actions, I fucking knew by sheer instinct someone was being paid like half year before there was proof.

>>54813784
I know you're pretending to be retarded but Youtube only counts subs by the 10,000 for accounts with over 1 million which is why one person can have 0 for the month and one have 10,000 and they only had a one sub difference in reality.

>>54812696
NTA , but personally I think it was a collective of EN cunts which is why they were so okay with every pronoun.

>>54818509
Niji talent and management got really tribalistic. You're either in with the clique management likes or they'll sabotage all your projects and force you to sink your own career until you graduate by personal choice

>>54817997
>Nerissa is Kronii's hire
Nerissa was a 8 month paying member of KFP

>>54816647
I still am not convinced about Gura having any active part in any of this.
She seems like the type that just withdraws and never really speaks up. Some manager might have put 1+1 together and brought it up to their superiors.
But for all we know, Gura might not care at all, and is/ was just burned out.

>>54816252
Are they given paperwork to do now?

>>54817997
if this is true, kronii is dumb. nerissa is huge competition.

>>54819051
You're looking at the conflict as just tempus and nothing else, you're not taking into account behind the scenes and management, the enviroment made the girls stream less, there is graph showing how after tempus's debut the EN branch started to go down and it never recovered while JP grew. If they were bleeding viewers before, tempus accelerated the bleeding

>>54817997
She's literally a KFP takamori shipper. She joined to be gay with the other girls

>>54814000
It's always music, that's how the JP members get it too. It's not an accident that all those youtube videos with billions of views are music videos. The Hololive streamers that gets tons of views and those aren't just their songs are probably ones like Pekora, Koyori and Miko since no one ever talks about their music (although recently for the first time ever Miko had a meme song that racked her up millions of views very quickly and became the most-viewed video on her channel by more than 2x).

>>54819487
kronii is a dumbass even if that isn't true

>>54819538
youtube recommends miko's cover before the actual original for me.

>>54808994
>>54811469
I think one of the worst ones I've seen was a ~3 min clip of a Fauna stream. The usual spelling mistakes, omitted words, etc. but about 30 seconds in they just... stopped subbing? Just did the absolute fucking minimum to get away with monetizing it I guess.

>>54818509
never trust /vt/

>>54819571
and that is why kronii is still a threat to the new gen. she can taint them with her dumbassery

>>54818482
eh, for the assessment of "success" it's not enough to just look at them in isolation. Sure, if you just take such a narrow view then yes, they likely made the money back that was spent on them. But for the grander scheme of things, you also have to look at secondary effects.
How much of a new audience did they bring in? And how many of the original HoloEN audience did they cause, either directly or indirectly, to leave? I don't even mean the screeching unicorns on /vt/, but just the larger masses of general cgdct enjoyers who saw the trajectory HoloEN was apparently on and consciously or subconsciously decided "yeah, somehow this just isn't what I originally liked about Hololive anymore..." and filtered out silently.

HoloENs public metrics, like views or SC's, took a noticeable dive during that time. Sure, we can argue all day about how it wasn't all ONLY the homo's fault, and how HoloEN had been in a general state of stagnation and malaise for a while there, but it's also wrong to say the homos had NO effect either, plus remember how it made some HoloEN talents to have revealing bitchy woman moments towards their fanbases for the homos also caused further demoralization and filtering.

The "new audience" the homos brought in is comparatively tiny (and more important, they don't even watch streams or spend money as much as the original audience of the girls, see how much the homo fans are rather cut from the typical "prefer lazy social media activism" cloth"), and while we may never be able to really tell how much of the girls' original audience they caused to leave, but going just by pure statistics alone: the girls' audience is many times larger than the homos' audience, so even if they caused "just" 10% of the girls' audience to leave, that's probably more than all the tiny new viewers the homos brought in - so they probably ended up being a net negative for HoloEN in the long run.

>>54812099
If you have the reading speed of an average burger mutt, I can see that being a problem.

Just learn to read at 800+ wpm and you will literally never have issues again.

>>54818222
Tempus 2 happened because of Vesper's menhera arc. For a while Axel and Altare were the only stable streamers. If Tempus 2 didn't come out a lot of the current projects wouldn't even be viable.

>>54813827
Sometimes I wonder if some of these girls would even be alive if they weren't in Hololive

>>54819513
I feel like that's still putting the cart before the horse. There's no reason the fags couldn't have been integrated more harmoniously; management's aggressive marketing of them were what soured people on them, which fits with your proposal, which does imply that behind the scenes there was friction. Right now they're in limbo (not least of which due to Magni/Vesper being MIA) and in their own box, building their audiences and only occasionally acknowledging the other side of the fence, which I truly believe most Hololive fans would have been fine with.

tl;dr? BOTH sides, male and female, were done fucking dirty by EN Management, creating a rift that will likely never fully heal. I can only hope that both branches stay in their respective lanes for now and allow audience trust to rebuild before they pull another stunt like we all suffered through in the last year.

>>54820214
Wrong again, retard.

TLDR management were being retards (big surprise!!!) and now management are not being retards (big surprise actually!!!)

The big issue with Tempus for me was that they were debuting instead of more HoloEN girls. HoloproEN just spent their resources in a way that I didn't like, and didn't even seem to make sense business-wise. Luxiem got a temporary high from an audience that Hololive can't get and shouldn't want.

>>54820632
You didn't even watch the fucking clip, retard.

Wasn't there some public report where EN management tried selling en homos as big success? I remember it being really insidious with it's wording

>>54818509
They made their talents fly to Japan on their own dime, worked them like dogs recording for a 3D live, and then cancelled the whole thing at the last minute after most of the recording was already done.
It completely broke the team's morale. We know that's when at least one of them decided to graduate, and you can see half of them have been emotionally checked out since.

>>54818213
I was going to say something mean, but then I remembered I don't hate the deaf. I do fucking hate the left handed though. everything should be designed so that the left handed cannot use it

>>54820689
“Management” refers to whoever is in management at the moment in time being spoken of

ESL friend~

>>54820602
That was said by Axel. Sorry you don't actually watch streams. Tempus 1 pushed back on Tempus 2 until Vesper's menhera arc and then Magni also broke his back. Altare even had to scrap his original podcast and redo it by replacing Magni and Vesper with two people from VG.

>>54820783
Yeah, and the clip didn't say that the managers got swapped, instead there are many more managers helping the girls.
Which is why you and everyone in this thread is retarded, you are making assumptions on easily confirmable information.

>>54808551
unicorn chads won

>>54820876
You are still failing to understand this very simple concept, aren’t you?

>>54820916
Why are you referring to yourself in the third person?

>>54820685
>The big issue with Tempus for me was that they were debuting instead of more HoloEN girls.
Hell I remember that things got so bad when even the usually docile normie fans on the Holo subreddit started to get a little rustled and begun to ask why the fuck are we getting another Tempiss batch no one wanted (yeah, ~pOPuLar dEmANd~ suuure) instead of finally some actual EN3 girls everyone has been waiting for, and even this very sensible question was too much deviation from the party line for the tranny staff and threads got locked down.

>>54809017
If the new EN management can successfully tard-wrangle even Calli, I got high hopes for its future. She got too cocky with that stuff, knowing full well the old management didn't have the balls to do anything about it.

>>54820946
>third person
Bro there’s no way you’re real, you’re fucking with me right?

>>54820776
Did you get outplayed in a sport where left-handers have an advantage?

>>54819468
gura said she was getting in arguments with management and was specifically proud of putting her foot down about them making bikini art of her with tits too big, she wanted to be flat and also likely fighting over the daki

>>54820699
If there was, I don't remember it.
The IPO marketing brochures at least rather sweeped them under the rug and tried to pretend they don't exist, focusing instead prominently on their female talent heavy hitters, naturally.

>>54821006
Mori putting her RM activties to rest is not going to be because of holo management. They have never had any problems with RM careers and its not like Mori neglected her holo stuff.
She probably just decided to prioritise hololive for now.

>>54820440
That's the point, omega had an agenda, aligned some girls to his goals and used the new branch as a tool to reach those goals, fucking glad he got the Stalin treatment and he never existed now.

>>54819487
kronii is a dumbass, but the 2 might collab together and help kronii's numbers

>>54819538
>>54819643
>that irys vid with like 200 mill views

>>54820083
I read at way above average for the US. you just cant watch the acting while reading

>>54821185
That might've been it. Sweeping everything up under the rug of hololive production and claiming it as holostars achievement

>>54821192
I'm glad we could discuss this reasonably and come to the same conclusion of "Fuck Management" without resorting to calling each other homobeggars for even daring to not put the homos in a fully negative context.

>>54820946
"You" is second person you moron, you absolute buffoon.

>>54820711
wtf
but WHY???

>>54808647
Real answer: You now how a YouTube the video will start playing once you hover it, but the audio will not? By adding subs viewers will still be able to understand what’s happening and will be more likely to get drawn in and press the video as well. Flesh tubers do this a lot too, where the first 30 seconds or so are subbed, in order to grab potential viewers attention.

>>54821187
Not because of Holo management, but might be because of UMG management.

>>54821037
nah, the sports I do are shooting, which there is no advantage for being wrong handed that I know. and slow pitch softball, which people play defense against me like I was left handed because I hit the ball to right field so often. like there are teams who do the whole "lefty" chant to the defense when I get up despite the fact I am right handed.

>>54808820
>English is that retarded, where sounds and actual letters are inconsistent.
True and Real

>>54812099
I've watched Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei subbed several times, I think I'll be fine.

>>54821531
We still don't know. Public answer given was "because of COVID" even though this happened in early 2023, and all the Luxiem guys stated as clearly as they could without being fired that that was BS, but nobody's hinted at an actual reason.
It's possible they weren't even given an actual reason, which would make it even more demoralizing.
The moral of the story is that good or bad management makes all the difference in the world, so I'm glad things have turned around for the HoloEN girls.

>>54821810
Didn't it happen around the same time as Millie's simulated discord where all the talents were shitting on each other anonymously? I saw some rrats that were blaming that fiasco.

>>54818509
If you followed the Zaion saga it became clear that their management has absolutely no idea what the fuck they were doing. Other times they acted outright maliciously when others didn't fall in line.

>>54821668
Ah, so they have an easy shortcut to your advanced softball technique.

>>54809184
Yeah, if Calli was capable of corrupting anyone, IRyS would be a homo collaber. She's completely spineless, so either Calli just arbitrarily decided not to convince one of her closest friends to come over to her side, or Calli just isn't actually as manipulative as you guys want to make her out to be.

>>54818636
Odd to think about how if Myth and Lazulight debuted the same day and rolled out new talents at the same rate, Council would have debuted sometime after Noctyx, if my incredibly loose math is somehow right.

>>54822163
That happens when you leave women in charge

>>54821187
Idk, I think holding her own concert on the same day in the same city as the big Hololive EN concert may have been a bridge too far for this management team. While other holos maintain rm careers, it's usually frowned upon to cash in on the fame you have as a holo to bolster your own indie career, and she was blatant about that

>>54820281
you have shitzoposters who do this for free every single day

>>54809017
She is probably gonna keep making music as her rm she is just not gonna stream. She probably has more work on both sides.

>>54822335
Or Mori is bad at manipulating people but Kronii's even worse at resisting manipulation.

>>54823050
Honestly the extent of Mori's manipulation was probably some cliche platitudes like
>Fuck the haters, my dude
>My haters are my motivators
intended to be supportive while Kronii was in the middle of dealing with fan backlash, but then the clock decided to take that and make it her entire personality.

>>54822335
nta but I still remember that time she tried to pull a sneaky fast one on her juniors by proposing some random game collab and after everyone already said yes tentatively, surprise them with an "oh yeah and we should totally invite so-and-so non-Holo outsider / random e-celeb too, it'll be so much fun teehee!!" after the fact, which went over like a lead balloon.

Left a really bad taste in my mouth. From what I can tell this thankfully seemed to be an isolated appearance (or rather, I didn't watch her much anymore after that, so what do I know), so either she learned her lesson from her coworkers having a talk with her that they don't appreciate that shit, or management having a sit down with her and telling her to cut that shit out.

>>54809269
Kronii has always been more corrupted then Mori.

>>54822335
Either that or Calli wisely kept to herself after her dumbass let her sister leak the airbnb they were staying at, putting the one EN member who goes out their way to remain private at risk of exposure. Really I'm surprised Gura talks to her after that bout of pure idiocy

>>54809989
Omega was fired before the Tempus debut.

>>54818509
ACCELERATED too hard. They just started throwing entire generations out there without the support necessary to make them work. Zaion's manifesto mentioned that her entire gen shared one manager with like, a few weeks experience on the job.

>>54823838
>Really I'm surprised Gura talks to her after that bout of pure idiocy
considering how few 1-on-1 Gura-Mori collabs we got after that incident, she arguably thinks the same and they don't interact all that much anymore.

>>54823891
Omega was written as a part of Tempus lore, so he or whatever they were was still around at that time presumably

>>54823891
Correct. This is why the boys only spoke to Sana once or twice before debut.

>>54810491
Thats absolutely retarded but I believe it

>>54823480
Yep, she was trying to force Ironmouse into a Terraria collab or something.

You know who I feel bad for at the end of the day? The 2nd wave of Tempus. They have become the most irrelevant thing in hololive next to Uproar, and it’s all Omega’s fault

>>54824407
>Uproar
What

>>54824463
It was the rebrand of Holostars JP because maintaining gen unity was difficult when half the gen members would graduate before the end of the year

>>54821758
English spelling is a compromise between "phonics" and visual clues to words' etymologies. Back when English-speakers were smarter, the latter aided pronunciation and understanding. Now it confuses people. Crappy EN subs on EN tubers are a great example. Filian's official clipper is the worst.

>>54809022
Whats a "sil"?

>>54809427
People acting like the Kronii/Vesper therapy (gaslighting) collab wasn't one of the funniest streams of all time. Your sense of humor and insecurities have to be completely shot for you to think otherwise.
Are you even a true Kronie if you hate these collabs? Where everyone comically hates each other's guts and tries to sabotage themselves at every opportunity? What a sad life. To never have the funs.

>>54824839
Mentioning Vesper in Kronii’s chat gets you instantly banned now so whatever they had is obviously over lol

>>54815810
>There is no way they didn't at least somewhat expect Tempus to "fail"
I think Omega sincerely believed he could use Tempus to get rid of Holo EN's audience, burn it all to the ground, and remake it as Nijisanji EN 2.0 with a new audience of reddit leftists and twitter troons. The idea that Hololive fans would fight back and his plan would fail probably never entered his head for a second.

>>54824839
It was funny yes

Then Vesper tried to do it again and again and again. He is the Russell Brand of vtubers

>>54823891
He was on the tempiss lore and working behind the scenes to do that awful marketing strategy trying to get hololive viewers to watch stars. Even if he was fired, those plans continued and management wasn't biased, IT WAS ULTRA BIASED towards tempiss, it was like the fucking holoEN branch died and only tempiss was left. Now the favoritism is over and all of the weeds have been uprooted

>>54825268
Even Yagoo was guilty with the magni shirt

>>54825151
That and twatter troons never ever put their money where their mouth is or even watch streams. Easier for higher management to come to a decision.
Wish I had that cap of some leddit Tempus post that was 10x more updooted than an actual ongoing Tempus stream, that was fucking hilarious.

>>54825388
CHEEKY CEO NEEDS CORRECTION

>>54825388
Yagoo probably doesn't even know what's happening 90% of the time now
He's just a nerd who wanted to make a tech company who found himself at the head of a multinational entertainment company worth millions and has no idea how it happened or what he's supposed to do

>>54825592
Your first action was to believe these fucking retards watched streams.

>>54808551
When sana graduated, or whit the backlash of the homos debut

>>54825388
Nothing wrong with that. Rather, good on him for supporting his own underlings.
When said underlings turn out to be a fucking snake like Omegatroon was, THEN you cut them off like a diseased limb.

>>54825941
Hell I thought he’d be good. Then he became very shit and was found to be the same root of poison as Mori. It’s absolutely wild how many people are in that same neck of the woods as Mori with that shit taste and humor

When they fired management and put A-chan in charge

>>54820281
they would either be living with their parents or would be useless housewives. There are almost no homeless women because vagina guarantees food

>>54823217
she didn't make it her entire personality. she was already like that to begin with. people forget that western(ized) korean girls are a special level of stupid and crazy

This thread is a schizo ward geez.

>>54820876
the girls have confirmed omegatranny got unpersoned

>>54824839
it must be hard to live when you see purely from one point in history

>>54821894
No. Something like Millie's little stream isnt gonna make a whole ass cancelation. Something must've happened. Something big (management-wise) that they cant ignore.

>>54822327
my advanced softball technique of having a weird swing where I go the otherway?

>>54820281
Gura probably not, she was definitely not good before holo and you could tell during her first few months that things were rather dire. Hell, even nowadays the few times she let's her health condition known, it's like "oh boy I just randomly faint at times, haha hehe hoho"

Mumei seems more medically healthy in that regard, she just probably doesn't give much of a shit about things like proper eating

>>54818509
It's crazy how NijiEN led to the desolation of the entire foreign expansion plan of Nijisanji. The company got too confident with EN they decided to see it as a reason to axe the black management of NijiKR and then axe NijiID because they weren't pulling in the desired numbers even though their management was decent, assimilating all talents into the JP branch BUT THEN just slowly killing them off via lack of support or basically anything.

Now with everything that's come out about their EN side through all the recent yabs and graduations, it's scary to think what's gonna happen to the branch itself and the talents

>>54820281
i can only see fauna being able to continue living like a functional member of society, as well as calli.
the rest of gen 1 and gen 2, good luck, but i fear for them.

>>54822335
irys has been in the game way too long to do retarded shit. she knows what her whales want. kronii was on the fence so it was easy to convince her, hence the flip flopping. mumei was on the fence and didn't think it was a big deal and then saw the fallout of her homo collab and never did it again. mori absolutely was talking to kronii about it because she tweeted "winner winner, chicken dinner" right after kronii dropped the >im going to do what I want and collab with males

>>54822163
There's a rrat somewhere that spun off from the other rrat that Noor from the ex pajeet branch was in charge of EN management and all of this happening now is part of her long con revenge plan at Niji for axing her branch.

>>54824839
I'll admit it was funny at the time.

Then every other collab with that group onwards became "play rage-bait games where the guys can spend 90% of the time screaming and either Kronii wins by really crazy luck or Mori wins by doing nothing." Which wouldn't be so tired as it is right now if it was limited to every half a year or so instead of every month like it was getting pushed for a while. Old management clearly wanted da bois to get more focus, and they knew they could get Mori to pull rank since she'd be the only one senior and comfortable enough to set up collabs like this, and Kronii herself has said she'll show up to a collab if she's invited but she's rarely pushes for collabs herself so I have no issue believing the Squad shit was almost entirely pushed by management/Mori alone. Don't forget Mori pushed a schedule out implying one of those collabs would happen right after Kronii got out of surgery and only postponed it at the very last minute when it became clear she was in no condition to do so which is why Ame showed up that one time.

>>54825178
The fact he actually uploaded clips of both the collabs he did with Bae and Kronii really showed how shameless of a leech he is.

>>54823480
someone said something to her when tempiss was debuting. she went on a whole rant saying not to homobeg and not to ship. that was the whole thing with kronii, I think, saying it was fine to ship her with girls and she likes to be shipped with mumei, but don't ship her with guys.
either way mori actively telling people not to homobeg means someone said something to her

>>54820440
Yes! Finally someone with a reasonable analysis. Management screwed both sides but since Hololive fans usually only care about their girls and Holostars fans usually only care about their boys, everyone ends up arguing past each other about who's getting screwed. My oshi is female but I'm sympathetic to the boys because they were sent in to do a job and were given faulty guidance from management. Look at Altare as an example, he happily joined a DBD collab with the girls and seemed to be completely unprepared for the massive backlash he received for the crime of making Kronii laugh. Now he avoids female collabs (aside from Kobo) to avoid the trouble. It's a shame both sides of the holo fandom can't get along better, since we'd put up a better front against outside agitators who I am certain create the bait threads in the catalog.

>>54824075
>>54823838
after that incident we had mori telling people not to homobeg and not to ship homos with the girls and the whole rust thing where gura was fine with going into VC with irys and bae, but shot mori instead of talking to her and only briefly interacted with mori during the whole saga

>>54820214
I wonder if Tempus 2 was intended to be debuted in parallel with the EN3 girls before getting rushed out. It wouldn't be the first time they debuted stars alongside a hololive gen. It probably would've gone over better with the fans too.

>>54808551
>i'm going to post a thumbnail to a video but i won't give a link to it

>>54824356
that wasn't even a shitpost or an exaggeration. those were literally things she said on stream. She might not have outright said the no sheets thing. but she implied it by asking how to get chocolate out of a mattress and then acknowledging she got asked, but refusing to answer about the sheets on the bed.
This was also around the same time she broke a bowl on stream and then streamed the next week and said she didn't pick it up and that there were dirty panties in the corner

>>54808647
Deaf people are a thing?

>>54808647
ESLs who has some grasp of English can follow better with subtitles on.
Also adding subtitles might be transformative enough to prevent copyright violation.

>>54824407
I don't. total homodeath

>>54828419
>more medically healthy
maybe, but it's clear that she has too much pride to deal with doctors, and that she deliberately chooses actions that worsen her condition in the short and long term. at this point, she has created a pattern of mistakes for herself that she is satisfied with: justify not eating properly simply because she prioritizes her own comfort, which only means that in reality, she fights against her own comfort ultimately and creates another point in the future where she needs to be absent because she gets sick again, all for the sake of her own comfort. it is a terrible loop to be caught in, and what makes it worse is that she enters the loop willingly.

>>54824839
I am not a kronii and I am not going to watch your 2 view faggot's collabs. buy an ad.
your 2 view faggot poisoned the well so fucking bad 4 of the 5 advent girls explicitly mentioned being idols and liking girls because how how much the faggots damaged the brand

>>54808792
I've been away, what's happened with Tempus?

>>54828651
Bae isn't a retard. she literally tardwrangled Mumei when they were in japan. Bae literally cooked every meal they had and did laundry (poorly because she shrunk the sweaters), but she did it

>>54829247
no. total homodeath. I'd rather ally with niji or vshojo or indies than with homos

>>54829247
"gotta support the cause" is why everyone was right to hate Altare, fuck him and fuck you too

>>54829247
>completely unprepared for the massive backlash he received for the crime of making Kronii laugh

He wasn't even the one who made her laugh, but you had enough shitposters and drama faggots /here/ who probably spent the prior year calling her a tranny and complicit individuals who hated idol culture on Twitter/Reddit who had no qualms pretzeling that situation into something it wasn't which absolutely played into Kronii getting a bunch of "congrats on the new BF" supas in her following stream and we know the whole aftermath of that situation.

Management cocked up on the situation hard for literally everyone involved.

>>54830721
i would have agreed with you a while ago, but she also chooses to do things that negatively impact her health. she could die one day because of bouldering. or even because of "i don't need to finish my antibiotics"

>>54832134
I mean those are retarded, but well within the bounds of "average functional member of society."

>>54830505
Long story short, Vesper vented with management again but this time dragging Magni with him.

>>54831398
I still love how Kronni goes "I am not dating this fag, we're just friends" but due to how she worded it she caught shit from every group possible.

>>54820440
Unironically partially Mori's fault.
She got management to cut the collab ban short just so she could collab with Magni before StarsJP even had a chance to collab with them (popular demand meme that gets tossed around /here/).
Even the JP side was like "what the fuck? how come we're not allowed to collab with em first".
After that it was Kronii and Ame being dumbasses repeatedly instead of being mature like Bae when it came to the topic which culminated in Cover having to send out a statement to cover Kronii's ass after she disobeyed her own manager.

>>54833072
but of course, the kronies will jump to her defense because of "MY OSHI NOT GOOD WITH WORDS, BOW DOWN TO PERFECTION"
i shudder to think of how she deals with true interpersonal conflict

>>54819468
uh oh!

>>54833232
>Cover having to send out a statement to cover Kronii's ass after she disobeyed her own manager
wait, the fuck? disobeyed?

>>54833262
as said, there was nothing wrong with what she said, but she said it in the worst way possible, should've just did a blunt "I am not going to date my male co-worker, stop being creepy, it's not funny" then banned anyone who kept pushing the issue.

I'm not even being a unicorn or a Kronie, that would've been the better way to get her point across then "don't you guys have female friends?"

>>54833579
sorry, it wasn't directed at you. i knew how you were saying it.
kronii simply is a magnet for things like that

>>54808647
the english subs aren't even correct most of the time

>>54808551
when troons lose the world wins

>>54833579
>"don't you guys have female friends?"
That part is an outright lie; she said "friends of the opposite sex.:

>>54832134
Bae is just your average zoomer. Every year kids coming out of highschool have less and less practical skills and what should be common knowledge and are less able to live normal lives.
I'm not even talking about boomer skills, a lot of kids today don't even know how to use a computer outside of a web browser because all they know is scrolling through instagram and tiktok

>>54833997
semantics, there is very little, if any difference between "female friends" and "friends of the opposite sex" in the context that she meant.

>>54833232
Kronii's old manager had a history of ghosting her even before this whole situation happened so charitably you could say she had a woman moment because she was in a position where she couldn't turn to her manager for help because they had a history of ignoring her.

>>54833571
When the drama was happening her manager basically told her to shut up and wait it out.
Kronii decided to do a guerilla members only stream where she reached a compromise with her gachi kronies where she would be able to collab with the Stars and in exchange she won't do twitter interactions, set up collabs or have the collabs on her streams (which is basically what she does now anyways).
A few hours after that she responded to Vesper's boxer tweet, Cover sent out that message and she did her "unfortunately idol culture exists" comment and "I decided I'm going to collab with whoever I want" tweet.

>>54834377
>"Do you not have friends of the opposite sex?"
>"Do you not have female friends?"
If you can't tell how one of those is intentionally more inflammatory than the other take out of context, I don't know what to tell you.

>>54833579
she backpedaled hard after people pointed out that dating in workplaces is a fucking norm she went "well i meant MY workplace, that's not comparable to other workplaces"

>>54833997
>>54833579
>>54833262
>>54833072
>>54831398
It was clearly meant in a spiteful way because she was angry over a couple of guys who were being very spergy. If you cant tell she was big mad wit that and "I will be collabing with whomever I want" you are autistic and/or have never interacted with an angry woman

>>54834871
i was wondering why that stream came out of nowhere..sheeeesh

>>54808551
>gura returns
>mikineko sidelines Vshojo
>Kiara gets her idol group
>Tempiss in shambles
>nijigger stocks down
>mori and kronii in decline
Feels good to be a holochad

>>54834275
Bae isn't your average zoomer
The average zoomer nowadays are clout chasers obsessed with social media who refuse to take responsibility for everything they do
Bae was raised by good parents

>>54836726
well, i hope her parents didn't teach her to not learn from her mistakes

>>54835821
The real cherry on top of that whole situation was that when she did that member's stream, she wasn't even aware that her schedule post that week on YT blew up in the comments section so she was reading that shit live which probably made the situation worse because she had to try and process the thoughts of a handful of gachis on top of falseflaggers from /here/ and anti idol-culture tards from Twitter and reddit. Had she been made aware of that before, I feel like the damage control afterwards might, just might have been handled a bit better.

>>54808551
Not so fast Jap man!

>>54837356
graduation

>>54837356
She sucks, we’re aware.

>>54837356
Homo% graduation speedrun

>>54837356
well that's her choice. as long as she doesn't make it part of her own identity, i can keep watching her. but if she makes it a thing even in her solo streams, then i have better uses of my time

>>54823838
Gura enjoyed the BBC she got.

>>54811150
I'll take a guess and say that Magni will graduate and get a proper sendoff and Vesper will be terminated. pako can't catch a break.

>>54825178
He never did.

>>54808551
The introduction of the Jap System™.

I’m just really happy that Gura is back. That’s all I care about

>>54848342
be prepared for disappointment

>>54808647
Deaf people?

>>54822335
>Yeah, if Calli was capable of corrupting anyone, IRyS would be a homo collaber. She's completely spineless
>IRyS
>spineless
she directly told a homobeggar to fuck off

>>54849290
I like IRyS because she makes it clear she’s straight but she’s endearing enough that she doesn’t come off as a slut. That’s something you don’t usually see in larger creators

>>54837356
>"respect my collab choices"
She follow Vesper or Mag?

>>54848808
people where just begging in her stream to call kroni she ignored them and didn't even raid into her id say it going pretty good

>>54808647
clippers just clip interesting (thouogh a lot of times not really) highlights from hourlong streams? It's not that complicated. People clip stuff from TV shows and anime all the time for people who want to rewatch specific moments or for people who aren't interested in watching the full thing for better or for worse in the latter case

>>54812696
Yes. Down to personal real life name and everything.