/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>54804326
Hololive buff is real.
But they’re actually good, so it is okay.

>>54804326
They worked so hard, they can finally blossom into proper doggy idols.

>>54804326
this is called "being a hidden gem", they just needed to get the exposure they needed.
and the 100k day one Hololive buff also helped

Connor was always right. People just hated him for saying it outloud but
>>54804468
This anon is correct. They're cute and probably gonna be the only people I watch out of this genn

>>54804326
Hololive made someone like Sana get over 400k subs just for existing

>>54804326
Don't care, BAU BAU BAU is cute.

>>54804762
I'd honestly say at this point gura is a better example as her sub growth never stopped even as she was streaming less than 3x a month.

>>54804762
Sana was unironically as good as these two at the beginning.

>>54804326
Congrats anon, welcome to "life". This happens in every occupation, everywhere. Luck, and connections, are almost always a more driving factor than effort and skill.

>>54804943
LMAO

>>54804626
>low-tier Holos like Anya are doing indie numbers
>this would be impossible if the Holo buff was real
Connor was always wrong.

>>54804943

>>54805076
no one cares about ID

>>54804943
falseflagging retard

>>54805076
Still Holobuff. Anya would be 2view as indie

>>54804326
>>54804468
>>54804626
Why retards always forget that they need to pass a test before cover hired them?
Even then, it's not always quick success, since they still need to earn the respect of holofans.

>>54805076
If she were an indie streaming in her timezone she'd have even fewer viewers. Indonesia only watches streams if you're cunny

>>54804943
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Good one.

>>54804626
short term yeah. look at mori now lol

>>54804326
It's exactly because that they tried their hardest that they got this opportunity

>>54805234
Sure there're obviously some requirements to get into hololive but on the same page everyone in this gen is at 200k+ subs and have a total of one stream and a couple of shorts.
Being in hololive or even nijisanji is a huge buff compared to being indie
>>54805322
Ehhhh even then she's doing way better than 99% of indies. Like you gotta realize that being a 5k average streamer is above like 99.999999% of all streamers. Having like 300 CCV puts you in the top 10% iirc

>>54804468
fpbp

>>54805042
>>54805126
>>54805211
>>54805300
>fun and bright personality
>actual autist obsessed and knowledgeable of Japanese culture and media
>furthest you can be from a normalfag
>confident
>great debut
>could speak Japanese
>was a goofy retard like these two
>no one could understand her either
>everyone loved her tits and body
The only thing she didn't have was a good design but that wasn't her fault. You newfags weren't /here/ during Council debuts. /vt/ loved Sana and she was way more entertaining than the other girls that needed an entire fucking year to get over themselves to finally bloom.

Get fucked twiniggers.

>>54804626
His complaint about dead subs is a complaint about Youtube as a whole and applies to him as well. Having a bunch of dead subs artifically inflates the reputation of any channel beyond what it actually deserves. The same concept exists in the real world where people who appear rich on paper get a lot of stuff for free.

Outside of that, the only reason Hololive has no graduations is because it's a socialist company and goes out of its way to bend over backwards accomodating the lower-tier members and giving them some of the earnings of the real performers. In terms of quantity, most Holos aren't relevant at all outside of the fact that they get included in things as part of a "complete set" but as individuals they will still feel like failures and need to be talked off the ledge from time to time.

>>54804943
HAHAHAHAHA

>>54805764
>/vt/ loved Sana
>>54805126

>>54804326
them trying their hardest for so long is what lead them here.

>>54805764
meds now

>>54805789
Socialist Hololive verses Capitalist Nijisanji.
Of course Hololive would be the more successful group.

>>54805789
>it's a socialist company
Actual brainrot. They're not forcing people to graduate because it'd be a terrible fucking look when your whole shtick is cute uwu unity anime girls, not to mention that even less popular girls like Anya probably generate more revenue than they cost

>>54805577
Yep and what is that requirement? be better than all the other indie fighting for that place in the eyes of the recruitement team. As the other anon said, it's not free you have to be better than the other to get more than the other, simple as. As any indie can one day become viral and get hundred of thousand of suscribers and don't have to give a concequent share to a company. Entering in hololive is not different than being fillian on that aspect.

>>54805764
>Sana's first stream: 10.9k CCV
That was less than a third of Kronii's and roughly half of the rest of Council.
I'd like to know which alternate timeline you came from

>>54805872
Yes? he's right

>>54805764
>everyone loved her tits and body
Not even Sana liked Sana model.

>>54804943
These replies... why do you fags hate someone as sweet as Sana?

>>54805789
I'm not sure what those comments are I was just referring to him talking about how getting into hololive is a guaranteed way to get a ton of subs. Dead or not, subs look good in the entertainment industry.
Shit. Iirc PewDiePies live streams on average got fewer viewers than myth did in their peak but nobody is gonna contest him being the biggest name on the platform

>>54804943
LOL
LMAO EVEN

>>54805789
even "low tier" holos sell out limited merch runs in minutes which is easily enough to justify keeping them around

>numberfagging thread
>for Fuwamoco

>>54806008
That kinda retarded when the company who apply socialism is nijisanji. Everyone work together to pay riku yak, who is the true essence of socialism. Hololive is far more capitalist on that point.

>>54806062
We don't really know what requirements there are but a lot of the girls in the past two gens had next to no experience being indies and were hired for something else entirely

>>54806062
But that wasn't even his point. His point was that there is a buff, and consequently people would want to do anything they could to get that opportunity. It was a topic of why someone would want to fluff up a resume.

This is the first wave in nearly two years, It's not surprising.
JP Gen 7 might get half a million in the first week.

>>54805076
Thats just IDs in general. The holo buff still puts her way above her peers if she was an indie

>>54806360
Exactly. I'm glad someone else in this thread has some common sense

>>54806367
Half a million I feel is a stretch but I could easily see 300k

>>54804943
True, but she was a QUITTER

>>54806367
doubt that when holox the most shilled gen is struggling in subs

>>54804626
>person says that brands are powerful
>"Wow. What a genius. Nobody ever thought this in the whole history of humanity, what a visionary, an intellectual, a man with a massive penis, everyone else is stupid and should never have opinions"

>>54805764
Anon, sanas model was shit. No one liked it not even Sana.

>>54804626
Wrong, passing the hololive audition is not being "talentless", connor is a fucking retarded faggot for even implying that 1 holo doesn't have talent

>>54806691
More like
>person says that brands are powerful
>"Are you saying our girls are talentless hacks!? Fuck you, you ironic weeb!"

>>54806691
This is all true my penis is enormous and I have severe medical problems that come with it.

>>54806691
Who are you quoting?

>>54805764
Nobody liked her, it's why she had such low subs from day 1 compared to the other.

>>54804626
Meanwhile he's nonstop shilling the company that not only does the same but worse when all their talents get famous without any effort or talent because all they do is react content. That hypocrite faggot has got no say and respect in the vtuber sphere the moment he became a Vshitshoujo cucksleeve

>>54806532
Give it time. These two will quit before the year is up. The pressure of a large corpo will tear them both apart, driving a wedge between them. EN management will fuck things up like they always do. They'll start streaming on their own to avoid each other and eventually agree to end it all for it's not fair on the fans.

>>54806691
The point is that people were hating on him for saying it

>>54805322
Why do you think Connor left her ass, man is a professional leech

Twins rising fast…

>>54806691
I never thought what he said was intellectual but the amount of seething over saying that brands = free promotion which = buffs
is unbelievable to this day.
>>54806775
Literally this was the response that most people had when he mentioned it. They believed that him saying the brand boosted the talents was him saying the talents were worthless without the brand and that he was an ironic weeb for mentioning it

>>54806941
this but shitori

>>54806941
These 2 girls have more experience dealing in Japanese bullshit than Kiara.

>>54804326
that's pure lazy 2view cope
most of the popular Holos did their best to achieve some kind of success on their own, that's why they Cover hired them, they don't accept literal whos only girls with good potential. this is the main difference between Hololive and Nijisanji

>>54806578
Two are already at a million, Koyori soon too. I don't think Lui or Ninja will be reaching 1mil anytime soon tho

>>54806772
>implying
>making shit up to get pissed about
Bruh, he never implied they had no talent. He said they would have initial success as streamers even if they had no experience streaming. And guess what, several of them had no experience streaming yet debuts with hundreds of thousands of subscribers.
That was it. "The brand is powerful which makes people whatever it takes to get the job makes sense". This isn't even a controversial take, it's simple fact, not just at Hololive.

>>54807050
Shitori isn’t going anywhere, she has been at the vtuber grind for too long already through thick and thin.

>>54807132
If only I could get Lui pregnant…

>>54806919
It wasn't a criticism of Hololive, you actual mongoloid.

>>54807029
How the fuck is Shiori ahead of Kusogaki? Is this the SEA debuff at work?

>>54807181
She's never experienced a platform, fanbase and management like this. It's completely different you faggot. She's 100% going within the year.

>>54807323
The fan art for her design is carrying her hard. I've seen 3 times as much for her as anyone else in her gen.

>>54804326
>try your hardest and get 15k subs
By being a shill channel for mangagamer for 10 years? lol

>>54804943
Good one, Sanafag.

>>54807323
First full gen collab was on her channel. Brought a lot of eyes to her, methinks.

>>54804943
lol
lmao even

The hard work wasnt even fucking enough they had to fucking announce graduation to crack the 15k

>>54807074
So why didn’t they get these numbers in their PL?

>>54804326
holobox too strong

>>54804626
Remind me again, was that before or after he tried to leech off of them? And if I remember right that was in turn after he shit on vtuber fans in general because that was a new concept for a twitchfag like him at a the time before of course he realized how massively popular Hololive was and suddenly was all over them. So no, he wasn't right, he was just seething that he couldn't leech as much as he wanted to and had to make due with his twitchtubers as he tried to make Ironmouse agree who did her best to quickly switch the topic, because she isn't as retarded as that mouthbreather. Twitchfags and cliques are the last who can talk about "undeserved popularity" with their sham reward shows to pat each other on the back, especially when it comes to vtubers where they praise their kin for being the "we have vtubers at home" variant of the entire community. Mid and lower twitch streamers with anime avatars draped over. Forget Hololive there are 2views more deserving to reward than these fucks.

>>54804943
I thought Sana was great at the beginning too

>>54807029
some retard in Holo management thinks yeah I know how to expand the business, Let's add more Holostars.

>>54807720
After. He was (obviously) ignored.
You can see him trying his best to get Gura to respond to him. I bet he seethed and cried like a bitch when she ghosted him and his entire vshojo group of orbiters

>>54805076
High Indie numbers is around 500 Anya is 1k and can break into 3k your understanding of indies is skewed

>>54807029
Yeah, my pants

>>54804626
Connor is literally white British guy with a deep voice in the vtuber community that’s basically like joining hololive.

>>54807336
>management like this
She has had worse.
I just think you are being far to optimistic and naive.

>>54806081
Guess who started streaming Minecraft an hour earlier and was probably at her peak popularity in 2021?

>>54805234
>earn the respect of holofans.
hahahahhahaha
HAHAHAHAHAHA
you can't be serious, that's hilarious

>>54805764
Too bad she ruined herself at the end by whoring herself out to magni and altare
such a shame

>>54804326
Travelers Status????

>>54807639
Yeah you're right, before the collab started Bijou was actually ahead of her by a couple thousand.

>>54807720
>>54807781
Dear lord, you guys write terrible fanfiction in your heads. Connor has never even tried to interact with Gura

>>54804326
Wow. So many NPCs looking for vpussy

>>54808170
Traveling

>>54806136
being sweet or a nice person doesn't make one a good content creator or vtuber. Sana is objectively amongst the worst talents in Hololive history. Her content was boring(exhausting and not funny - failed whenever she tried bantering) or just plain bad(hololive fans aren't 14yo middle class girls who enjoy horoscpe bullshit); her voice was another big negative(tone and accent were HUGE turnoffs for most people) even if she kinda got the right energy to match her model. Overall her character was a fucking awful mess, half of her own fault and half due to management stupidity(Omega and Ina's nepo tendencies)

>>54804326
>>54804626
Because they tried their hardest they got into hololive. You guys are putting the cart before the horse.

>>54804626
Nah Connor is a salty bitch boy.
You have to be impressive in some way to get into hololive in the first place, you join because hololive offers you the correct platform and discoverability to match your skill. Thats why people want to join you see.

>>54804626

>>54806023
It's explicitly been said that part of the cut in superchats that Cover takes is redistributed to the lower earners. Meaning lower-earners actually get more in superchats than fans pay them while higher-earners get less.

>>54806182
Literally everybody would contest him being the biggest name on the platform. He got surpassed a long time ago by that kid who pushed the whole meme to get him 100 million to begin with. PDP is a retired pensioner in Japan with his wife and kid right now.

>>54807781
Connor was mad as hell just like all the OTV losers and Vshojos turning on Hololive the moment it looked like they wouldn't be allowed to leech.

>>54807137
>A good example is Hololive, it's always instant succes, you don't have to be a good streamer
In order to make that statement true for him, there must be at least one example of someone that is definitely not a good streamer in Hololive.
Now. i don't like some streamers in Holo, but that was definitely a stupid thing to say.

>>54806360
The problem with that nonsense is believing Hololive hires based on who has the best resume when it's been made explicitly clear many times they don't care about that at all.

>>54806941
This is why Sana abandoned you. FuwaMoco are gonna be the best thing that could’ve ever happened for EN

>>54807029
how does goth gf and rock have so many more views than the other 2?

>>54804626
Cuntnnor got big out of leeching other famous youtubers, he has no right to dictate who deserves to be popular.

Any more trite observations or platitudes vshojo fans and connor watchers would like to share and enlighten us with?

>>54804326
Happiest of endings.

>>54808778
They debuted a day earlier, and shiori had the group collab on her channel.

>>54804326
I hope fuwawa speaks up a little more as she gets settled. I get she's supposed to be the "soft and fluffy" one, but I can barely hear her sometimes.

>>54804326
Well deserved. The dogs are good.

>>54804326
Yahoo I kneel

>>54808937
You seem upset.
Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

>>54808481
I dont think most of the top girls mind. You never hear Gura bitch about SCs, though she doesn't answer most. I know Ina said buy merch instead of SCing her. Didn't one of the girls say to just member her instead of SC if you had the choice? Also Ina's argument was if you SC you get nothing, if you spend the money you would SC on her merch you have a physical item which she feels if more value to her viewers

>>54806360
he was seething about blue dorito and misrepresenting it as being no different from streaming as an indie.

>>54808937
No, it's just funny watching you idiots live in a parallel universe.

>>54806360
His whole take was literally "Just lie to get into hololive"

They're fucking adorable and deserve all the love and success.

>>54806691
and yet you wouldn't believe just how many people on this board executed the most convoluted mental gymnastics to try and refute his point

>>54809075
>Didn't one of the girls say to just member her instead of SC if you had the choice
Pippa said that. Twitch cut was so high she literally got pennies.

>>54805234
They could be the most talentless hack and still get guaranteed 200k subs before they even debut. Sure if they suck they'd lose it, but even an average chuba would maintain it.

>>54806133
>>54806747
proof?

>>54807781
holy head canon
how do you niggers come up with this shit out of thin air?

>>54808080
Yeah anon I'm sure every hololive member is Pekora tier

>>54809075
I think SCs are going out of fashion due to barely any of it reaching the talents.

>>54806578
>>54806367
>>54806524
Chloe got to 500k within 5 days so while million might be another matter, "get half a million in the first week" has already been cleared
Even for EN, IRyS reached 400k a day after debut and only greatly slowed down after she took that month long throathort break that killed her channel in the algorithm

>>54809139
His whole take was "when a brand is powerful, people want to do what it takes". Hololive was an example, it wasn't even a conversation about them, he just used that because "he helped someone with the application"

>>54807029
bijou bros its over

>>54808481
>It's explicitly been said that part of the cut in superchats that Cover takes is redistributed to the lower earners
I'd like a quote / timestamp or that's BS.

>>54809175
I thought one of the holo girls said that too. but yeah it might have been pippa

>>54809175
She was memeing with that one

>>54807029
that's the jop buff showing

the fact is that luck is the most important stat in life
They were incredibly lucky that YAGOO found them, lucky that they weren't bound to any contracts, and lucky that Hololive was willing to try something different

>>54806239
That's true capitalism you retard.

>>54809175
? But Twitch subs give a way worse cut than bit donos. Bit donos are between 70-81% depending on how much you buy up front, tier 1 subs are 50%

>>54804326
>I'M NOT A CHIHUAHUA

>>54807879
Look at /lig/, the biggest indies can reach 5k CCV
If you include non-english indies, there are 5view Korean indies that regularly mog HoloEN

>>54809654
Now look at Indonesian which is the market we are talking about.

>>54805140
What about Kaela?

>>54809083
I find it funnier that vshojo watchers and connor have to come here and embarrass themselves, while I have never had to know what they do in their own hole.

>>54809618
no, having your labor stolen from you to pay some jewish king is the definition of socialism

>>54808592
Literally nobody would contest him. His influence to this day is impossible to really debate

>>54809644
at least on jewtube with the hologirls it makes sense to member instead of SC because you get access to members' streams instead of just one one off response

>>54804626
I don't think anyone is legitimately arguing that being part of Hololive doesn't provide massive benefits and privilege. It's not some sagely wise take. And frankly it's not even a problem to say it out loud either.

The problem is that he's a tonedeaf retard. Whether he realized it or not, the way he said it made him come across as incredibly dismissive of the pre-Holo grind many talents went through, as well as the work that they had to put into in order to pass the Hololive auditions. Not to mention the effort required to continue building their own brand as a part of the company. Yes, it's an obvious buff. But he made it sound like it's a buff that wasn't earned and that's what came across as disrespectful.

>>54804326
>new dogs have the same colors as the kids in Oshi no Ko
Coincidence?

This thread smells like 2view rage jesas

>>54808428
I mean he never said you didn't have to be impressive, he just said that you might be incentivized to lie about something on your resume to get in

>>54805140
I like Reine and Kaela

>>54804943
Put me in the screenshot!

>>54810047
Technically true for Twitch as well, but only the rare JP does sub-only streams probably to match the Youtube meta.

>>54808891
I don't think he tried. He just acknowledged that being in hololive was a buff

i wonder when seething 2views will realize that getting into Holo IS, in itself, a measure of talent, ability and hard work only an extremely tiny minority can achieve
all of the girls in gen3 were at one point completely unknown 2views, hell most of them never got past that stage as indies
but they persevered, they managed to bag the best job in the business because they managed to make the scouts see something that made them stand out and now are reaping the fruit of their labor

>>54805234
>they still need to earn the respect of holofans
lol lmao

>>54806136
I don't 'hate' Sana, but this >>54804943
is untrue

>>54810123
I don't really get how people got that impression when he specified twice that he wasn't dismissing the talent of the people in it just being honest that it was a large buff and people jumped his ass for saying that being in corp gets you good noombers

>>54810482
I hate Connor, always have.

>>54804326
Congratulations anon, you cracked the code.

>>54806807
Your mother describing me.

>>54805234
Holodrones will watch anything with Hololive word.
Often enough the drones are so mindless they can be baited into watching chuuba shorts that just mention Hololive and even keep consuning becauase of Gura mentiob.

>>54809971
No, that's pure capitalism

>>54804626
No, the problem was how he phrased it. There was a lot of butthurt behind his words.
People were shiting on him for being an assblasted faggot trying to compare himself to anime girls like a retard.

Nijisanji

>>54805789
>Hololive has no graduations is because it's a socialist company
Dumbest shit I have read today. Congrats retard. No go back. You need to be above 18 to post here.

Hololive

>>54805789
He didn't complain about dead subs, he said Hololive is instant success and that even the most bland twitch thot could join and become a star

>>54804626
of course he's right mori has no talent without the hololive buff, other girls have pure talent

>>54810970
>>54811219
You have no idea what capitalism or socialism is and how economy works.
You have never worked a day in your life or run a business.
You have ZERO idea about the real world.
Please shut up.

>>54804326
You know what, I’m happy for them and their fans. I’ve never lost an oshi but i can imagine how awful it feels, good for them and their reincarnations.

>>54811286
>socialism is when 4 cute girls drink hot tea in winter cause it's all they got

>>54804326
My only complaint is that I'm going end up oshi'ing them and watch them too much and get all parasocial for them like I used to for Gura, which is a bad idea since they're twins and it won't feel as intimate.

>>54811103
Honestly speaking he probably had to work harder to get where he's at. Not to dismiss the talents of anyone but Kiara got big from doing cosplay and being a mildly attractive woman in Japan, gura got big from having a Loli esque voice and doing covers while drunk, these two got big from being cute anime girls on the internet.
>>54811358
I'd honestly argue mori has worked harder than half her gen

>>54804626
Connor was right about Mori being a hosehound. Fuwamoco is the kwisatz haderach of vtubing, both cute and sexy, JP and EN...I kneel.

>>54811461
This coming from the guy who describes capitalism and then pretends it's socialism, in order to blindly defend capitalism.

>>54811591
>it won't feel as intimate.
They're twins, you're doing this wrong.

>>54805764
Being an aussie, Sana was never my cup of tea, but I gave her the benefit of the doubt for a long while
The "my dog died, I'm gonna take a month off" shit that broke the string of council collabs was disappointing (seriously, other holos have taken much shorter breaks when a close relative has died)
My opinion of her continued to worsen when she was clearly favoring her other job over holo activities when she became injured, ended up graduating just work full time on gacha shit
What an utter waste of a coveted holo slot

>>54811789
>he thinks a lower class faggot like him would own a personal computer for entertainment under socialism

>>54811906
>Quick deflect some more!

I don't get why you're seething so much. Nijisanji is a perfect example of a capitalist company in vtubing where the successful streamers get all the attention and support, the not so successful members get shoved aside. And the owner of the company hoards all the wealth produced by his workers.

>>54810847
>I'm a special snowflake
I'm sure you go out and buy the cereal in the bag just to be different

>>54804626
>brand recognition works
>retards seeth at it
I don't even know what's your argument was suppose to be

>>54810153
Blue and pink are common color themes for twins.
Ram and Rem from ReZero, Ram and Rom from Neptunia, etc.

>>54810970
no, if it was capitalism you would get something for your money.

>>54812267
This

>>54808778
because they debuted in the middle of the weekend and had the hololive summer relay buff. the full gen collab was on shitori's channel.

>>54804326 (OP)
>>54804986
Luck is a factor but working hard early in their career increased their chances of getting into Holo. Your connections can't make use of you unless you put effort into growing skills yourself.

>>54805789
>the only reason Hololive has no graduations is because it's a socialist company
doesn't roboco, one of the lowest holos make enough she could buy a house? And azki or whoever just got transferred to holo quit her day job.
Most of the girls are literally retarded. They all stay at holo because they all make as much or more than they would be making with a real job with way less time working

>>54809075
Gura isn't even the highest SCed EN, that is still Mori followed by Kiara. And if there are two holos who would be openly seething about something like that it's these two.

>>54812153
Oh I'm not that anon. I just think people who "hate capitalism" without knowing a single drop of what they're talking about is the sign of someone who needs to starve.

Did you know? The main way customers punish shitty businesses (such as nijisanji) is to simply buy from their competitor. Yet those people usually the ones who buys the business' products regardless. They'll cry about Apple, Coca-Cola, McDonalds and consume their products nonetheless. All while blaming capitalism. Pottery.

>>54811502
at this point can you say travelers even lost an oshi? sure they got cucked for like 8 months, but the girls seem to be acting the same as they always did, plus now they have all these resources they never had before to make even better streams

>>54811631
gura got big even before she was shitposting.

>>54811330
Then why instead of joining holo they seeth at it?

>>54811631
>I'd honestly argue mori has worked harder than half her gen
hardest at self sabotage yup sure.

>>54812153
>>54811789
thats socialism where the jewish king hoards all the wealth and no one gets shit for their money

>>54812776
because it is unfair and a sad reality of the industry, even if it's not necessarily the talent's fault

>>54812691
Can you strawman harder? I'm just pointing out that Nijisanji is capitalistic in how they treat/exploit their talents, compared to Hololive who adopts more socialistic policies of continuing to supporter the less popular talents.

>>54812912
Trying a little to hard to fit into /pol/ there kid.

>>54812776
If "they" means Connor I'm pretty sure it was just an observation plus he's male so he's not getting into Hololive. If you mean 2views, obviously they want instant money and fame with minimal effort and will seethe when they don't get their way

>>54811631
His "hard work" was literally just recording some half assed voice lines over a teenbait fag anime which the femcels ate up.
He also lucked into the TT gig because the other two needed a third person to balance put the podcast and they just both happened to know him.

Connor was right
>87k for Moona's 3D
>goes back to being a sub 300 shitter
>mogs Gura too

>>54813148
the main goal of socialism is to exploit the workers

>>54806941
Anon, these doggos have done street performances in front of 5 people. They've "performed" at conventions where room was only 5% filled. They kept on as Vtubers on a regular schedule for a year and half despite getting only a few dozen max concurrent viewers for those streams the large majority of time. They are hard workers. They have ambition. They have an incredibly deep love and respect for idol culture. They are, if you will, practically the exact opposite of Sana.

>>54813910

>>54814069
>t. capitalist

>>54804326
Sounds like hard work paid off. They worked hard to get where they are and their talent was there to take them to the next level. Fame is luck plus talent plus hard work.

>>54814544
socialism is retarded because it values equality over competition
only women and faggots vote for it

>>54814544
you can always get a new job. you can't stop paying taxes

So did mangagamer really axe them heartlessly or did they actually let them move onto their own thing amicably but acted like they just dropped them so it wouldn't feel like a betrayal?

>>54815194
considering the timegap its more likely they were legitimately axed

>>54815026
Except the results speak for itself, hololive's socialism approach is crushing Nijisanji's capitalism.
Do you seriously believe Hololive would be better off if they went full ACCELERATE?

>>54814544
This would mindbreak me so hard if I was 12, anon. Truly the comic to end all grade school debates.

>>54804326
That's the point of any good agency: finding hidden gems working their ass off, hiring them, and giving them the publicity & audience they deserve.

>>54815338
you are retarded because you try to compare economic systems to companies that operate on the same market in a system that is neither socialism nor capitalism.

>>54814544
>The Greatest Cartoon Ever!
A facebook boomer political comic ahead of it's time

>>54815179
this

>>54815650
Except their philosophies of how they treat their employees is totally different. And answer the question, do you seriously believe Hololive would be better off if they went full ACCELERATE?

>>54805789
are these socialists in the room with you now, retard?

>>54815194
They were axed

>>54810255
He's essentially poisoning the conversation with statements like that though.

>Any system which allows men to choose their own future will end by choosing safety and mediocrity, and in such a reality the stars are out of reach.
Isaac Asimov.

>>54812775
Nah, I was there back then and I can promise you that without her "Cringe copypasta into rap" and "country roads" shitposts she never would have blown up

>>54816206
How?
>>54812236
He literally just said what this anon did

>>54816373
she had a different pretty big channel before that point and she said on the power washer stream she actually got hired to voice act in a kids tv show before the show got canceled

This is wrong
>try your hardest and get 15k subs
>this gives you experience and a background in vtubing as well as a dedicated fanbase
>use the experience and background to apply to the top agency in vtubing
>get in due to your experience and background
>do one stream and have 20 times that number

>>54816015
Philosophies of how they treat their employees have nothing to do with capitalism or socialism. Comparing how someone debuts vtubers to economic systems is retarded and has no correlation to them.

>>54804326
i did the math. your math is right
greetings from ohio

>>54816295

>>54815194
They got axed and it was a blessing in disguise

>>54804943
>

>>54804626
Oh right connor. The guy who leeched off gigguk, callis hololive fame, and ironmouse.

>>54816506
True but it wasn't that that got her recognized. Everyone knew her as the drunken blue haired girl who made funny shitposts.
She was at close to a million subscribers before she joined hololive, I don't know the exact process behind hires but I don't think it was her voice acting skills that got her famous

>>54816588
They absolutely do, and the fact you refuse to answer the question can only make me assume you know Hololive would be worse off if they adopted Nijisanji's capitalist policies of relentlessly adding new talents while only rewarding the most successful members and leaving the lower producers out to dry, or terminating the entire branch.

>>54816796
Sure but on the same hand, who better to point out that brands can carry you into fame than a man who as
>>54813909
Said, got carried by trash taste and luck.

>>54815338
they're both capitalist companies, anon...

>>54816945
Not in how they treat their employees.

>>54816818
What do they have in common then? What does socialism have to do with how cover treats their employees?

>>54816731
Just call him a Digger

>>54817012
Treating employees certain way has nothign to do with economic system you massive retard.
You can be a good boss under socialism and a terrible under capitalism and vice versa

>>54804326
For what it's worth, they actually are better now than they were back then. I'm sure they've gone through a lot of training before the debut to fix various issues with how they conducted themselves. The streams now have a better flow with less dead space and there isn't any boring moment. It also helps that they have a lot to talk about since they just debuted. I hope they can keep this up. Redebuting is also their chance to bring out a personality that is closer to their ideal that they are more comfortable with.

>>54810482
It's entirely how you phrase it. By talking about lying or how anyone can get numbers, it is entirely putting the conversation in a negative light.

>>54817021
>>54817115
The fact they're supporting all their talents equally in hololive as opposed to only the top earners in nijisanji.
I find it interesting you can't admit any flaws in capitalism when you're seeing the going all in like Nijisanji did just causes you to collapse. Or do you seriously believe NijiEN will be a creditable force in the coming years?

>>54816818
I don't know why that retard is trying to argue this with you. Anycolor's approach of rapid-firing new talents and letting survival of the fittest sort them out is definitively capitalist. It's literally sink or swim, innovators succeed and anyone who isn't fit to compete with them for viewership ends up languishing in obscurity. Hololive is subject to this as well, in a sense, but Cover's tendency to try and elevate low-performers is obviously a more socialist approach. I guess the internet really has just broken people's brains to the point where they go "SOCIALIST BAD FUCK COMMIES" without sparing even a second to process what's in front of them.

>>54816818
they are private companies, not the government. it really isn't the same or applicable since any of the girls can just quit hololive if they don't like the deal. you can't quit paying taxes. also the money getting shared is like what happens in baseball. as opposed to socialism where all the money would just go to yagoo who would then give it to omegatranny and none would go to the girls

>>54816818
The fact that Hololive is doing well in a capitalist market is proof that they are applying capitalist policies, retard.
That's the great thing about capitalism; you can apply whatever works and you get to profit off of doing the right thing.
Unlike socialism where you're stuck doing whatever the failed state decides you have to, and any profit you do end up making gets stolen by said state.

>>54817012
yes in how they treat their employees. neither own humans as chattel slaves like socialists do

>>54815179
>>54817319
>socialism is government
Spot the Fox News viewer

>>54817278
>The fact they're supporting all their talents equally in hololive as opposed to only the top earners in nijisanji.
that isn't how socialism works

>>54817319
>>54817347
>>54817375
Interesting rapid fire chunk of (you)'s. A damage control team is clearly here.

>>54817397
socialism is literally an economic system where the government owns the people as chattel slaves

>>54808481
Should be easy for you to post the clip or time stamp then since you’re so sure of hololive’s internal working.

>>54817281
they are a private company. it isn't a socialist system because the whole thing is voluntary and they aren't enslaving anyone and yagoo isn't embezzling all the money

>>54817487
Wait, is this the anon that hade a awful take on the French revolution?

>>54817476
What even damage control is there????
>>54817487
This is the only sane anon in this discussion

>>54817421
>socialism works

>>54817397
>Nooo! I'm talking about my idealized socialism that's only ever good because that's how I've defined it to be, not ACTUAL socialism that's practically applicable to the real world.

>>54817565
why would I give a shit about france? the only think of value that shithole ever produced was Gilbert du Motier, Marquis de Lafayette

>>54804943
anon I'm a sanallite and it's not good to have revisionist history about her time in hololive.

>>54817281
At least there's one other rational person who understands nuance here.

>>54817636
it is you! I was wondering what the fucking was happening /here/

>>54804468
Except they're not good

>>54817556
Embracing one aspect of socialist thought in the way you conduct business doesn't make it a "socialist system." You can take a single good idea without going full communist, you know.

>>54804326
You think their work at their old job didn't contribute to their consideration to Hololive?

>>54817719
I literally do not know what you are talking about

>>54804943
Sana was a mistake.

>>54817624
>green text strawman
*Yawn*

>>54804943
If Council had had as much time to prepare and "train" as EN3 did, Sana would have quite before debuting.

>>54817693
tbf I'm pretty sure the guy you're arguing with is underaged.

>>54817278
Supporting someone equally in a company is not socialism retard.

>>54817856
>strawman
Name a single socialist society that was not state enforced.

>>54805764
You were in coma back then

>>54804626
>Connor
wasnt that the same guy who was also begging for hololive to acknowledge his streaming award thing? or was it someone else.

>>54817966
See
>>54817768

>>54804326
>>54804626
Sub numbers doesnt matter. CCV is what truly shows how good you are.
Even if you have 1M subscribers, if you fuck up you will end up with nobody watching you, just like the other HoloEN. At the end ofo the day you gotta please your audience and stream consistently to keep their interest. Hololive gives you a buff, but if you take it for granted you will lose anyway.

>>54817984
The Scandinavian countries?

The trouble with what Connor said was that he was a dick about it, and said that Hololive idols were talentless hacks who coast on branding.
Fuck him. He should die.

>>54817984
>Strawman again
Policies do not equal state fox news kid.

Blue dorito buff plus the cute doggo wives earned it by their effort and passion.

>>54817281
>Anycolor's approach of rapid-firing new talents and letting survival of the fittest sort them out is definitively capitalist
That isn't capitalism it's just blind stupidity. Anycolor over-saturates their own market so badly that the Nijisanji fanbase is spread thin across 10,000 different vtubers. In an environment like that everybody sinks and nobody swims. Some of their vtubers sink slower than others but they all sink in the end because their audience is constantly being siphoned away by the latest debut. And there's always a latest debut.

Working on your weak point is not socialist. Are you going to call me socialist if my workout focuses on my weaker muscles. Cover are elevating their weaker talents because they understand that this is what the viewers wanted. The Hololive box wants hololive not just Pekora or just Miko.

>>54818186
>That isn't capitalism it's just blind stupidity.
So capitalism.

>>54804326
I'm happy with this
>THEY MADE IT

>>54818093
>Scandinavian countries
Are capitalist, correct. I was asking about socialism, tough.

>>54818162
So has there even been a non-state enforced socialist society? Yes/No?

>>54817984
Every single commune and local religious community.

>>54817636
France is the second greatest country when it comes to manga, and their views on anime is cultured.
They deserve to be preserved.

>>54818053
damn guess im a socialist because i helped an old lady cross the street

>>54818261
>Doubling down on his strawman
Policies do not equal a state

>>54804326

>>54818261
as a swede and can confirm that my nation and our polices are heavily based on socialist ideology.

>>54817768
treating employees how you want to treat them, whether is good or bad, is a capitalist thought not socialist. you might be mentally impaired

>>54818186
Oh no it's definitely capitalism. It isn't working, sure, but being bad at capitalism doesn't mean you aren't engaging in it. There are plenty of capitalist companies that go under because of bad decisions like over-saturating their own market.

its simple retards Hololive has benefits out the ass, and one of the benefits being a ticket for the gravy train if they can pass the high bar of singing, dancing (kek), and being able to talk for at least like 3 hours a couple times a month. coomers will watch literally anyone if they like the model enough, quality is preferred, but if a few turn out to be stinkers oh well. operations are scalable by talent, and talent/management have aligned interests of "continue to make easy money off simps".

literally only menhera's like r*shia and bts drama like most prior grads ever leave. everyone else knows that graduations in general are bad for pr, so hololive probably spends thousands keeping some whale's oshi from graduating. idk where the dumbass socialism v capitalism narrative is coming from here because they are clearly using both tactics to great effect, leaving hololive the clean cut undisputed top dog of the vtuber scene.

>>54817726
Fine, great.

>>54818471
You strike me as one of those individuals who thinks capitalism = markets.

>>54818345
>doubling down on his strawman
the irony

>>54818429
And as a swede I can confirm that our economy is entirely capitalist.
Our "socialist" policies have more in common with fascism than marxism.

>>54818345
And has those policies ever been applied without the threat of violence?

>>54818233
Nowhere in the definition of capitalism does it state that you have to run your company like a stupid fucking moron kek. If some CEO is a retard who squeezes the life out of his own market by over-saturating it then that's his fault for being retarded. It isn't capitalism's fault.

>>54818227
fucking miko was a 2 views for years before she called that one black guy a nigger and blew up.

>>54818726
and you strike me as one of those who think
being nice = socialism

>>54818345
>>54818162
policies are literally state enforced mandates because it is the state pushing them through force of imprisonment or death

>>54818740
>Our "socialist" policies have more in common with fascism than marxism.
wtf that's the most retarded thing I have read today. This makes no fucking sense you fucking flashback faggot

>>54818796
Would be more in line with the ideological foundations underpinning socialism than whatever you think capitalism is.

>>54804762
>just for existing
Even by not existing for a year she still gets better sub growth than many people on YouTube

>>54818741
>My true form of capitalism hasn't been tried.

>>54804326
So what old stream of them should I check? If they are still up that is

>>54818767
She was based for it though.
The Tokyo Ambassador addressing a black person per nigger in an official distribution that millions of people witnessed down the line was a beautiful moment for the world.

>>54818867
Dude, our policies literally use the folk- prefix.
Hell, folkhemmet was literally a straight nazi policy.

>>54818740
Hololive.

>>54818842
Hololive proves you wrong

>>54819052
Helvete vad är fel på dig? Bara lämna denna jävla tråden för i helvete, vill du försöka snacka politik gå till flashback eller liknande inte fucking /vt/ din fitta.

>>54818898
>the ideological foundations underpinning socialism
lmao at you
read who and why created socialism

>>54819012
Literally any horror game playthrough

A communist trying to educate people on a board for a type of content that is capitalist in nature...

>>54819295
He's probably 14, just ignore him

>>54818981
Capitalism just means you can sell product. It isn't responsible for how good people are(or aren't) at selling product.

>>54819199
Let me guess: some conspiratorial nonsense you dug up on /pol/ told you who REALLY created socialism, right? I knew you were a waste of effort.

>>54819339
the thread started out good, now it's just some faggots trying to talk about "politics"

>>54819339
You forgot the key word 'for profit' Which is what Nijisanji is trying to do to the point it's exploitative to their workers and self destructive.

Capitalism means you do whatever it takes to exploit your workers to squeeze as much labor out of them as possible for maximum profit for yourself and buying out politicians to give you tax cuts and deregulate malpractice.

>>54818126
But was he wrong?

>>54818741
God, being a NijiEN fan is suffering. I wish Tazumi actually gave a fuck about his overseas talents. The last good thing to happen this year was Pomu's 3d after that everything fell the fuck apart.

>>54818898
nah, the ideological foundations underpinning socialism is some dude wanting to own other humans as chattel slaves

>>54804326
I'm generally more interested in collab streams. With Fuwamoco, every stream of theirs is a guaranteed collab, so I do look forward to their streams.

>>54818867
He's a corporate shill who sees the word 'socialist' in Nazi, and immediately declares all socialists are Nazis.
It's that simple minded, and double think mindset that makes him such a loyal shill for corporations.

>>54819504
communism means forced labor camps and starvation

>>54819295
It's more like one retard started frothing at the mouth because anon off-handedly called a business practice socialist

>>54819504
Socialism is the same thing, just replace the corporation with the government.

>>54815194
if they hadnt been axe maybe they wouldve never tried to get into hololive

>>54819037
I'm not saying it wasn't based. I am saying holo benefitted from developing and holding onto an underperforming miko for years because they saw her value instead of just graduating her

>>54819610
America has prison too anon.

>>54819403
>I knew you were a waste of effort.
did this retard seriously try to groom someone into starvation here?

>>54819081
hololive is a private company, not a government. the girls can quit whenever they want if they don't like the deal, see sana. you can't quit paying taxes

>>54819597
>he thinks socialism and fascism is the same thing, which is why he clearly compared them as contrasting ideologies
Brains aren't your strong suit, eh?

>Numbers thread turns into dumb high school kid takes
But anyway congrats to FuwaMoco

>>54819559
>chattel slavery is socialism
>England circa 1619 was socialist
>The American colonies and pre-civil war-era USA were socialist
kek alright anon

>>54819581
the girls did do solo streams before, but I think they were relatively rare

>>54819052
And for the non swedes in this thread.
Folkhemmet = The People Home
And the idea was to build a very wide and robust welfare program for this citizens. And at the time prime minister was coined a communist because the social reforms the party wanted to enforce was to extreme (according to the opposition)

Is this the Disco Elysium thread?

>Socialism is when a company treats their employees nice
>Capitalism is when a company treats their employees bad
RETARD
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>>54819737
the difference is that you have to do something wrong to end up in an American prison

>>54804626
no he wasn't you fucking retard he never was. noone watches a full 5 hour livestream just because the channel name has "hololive" somewhere in it. hololive girls are carefully selected, the ones that see major success are simply just more entertaining and interesting than him and his talentless clique of twitchfaggot friends. you cant "brand loyalty" people into watching you for 50 hours a month nijinigger keep coping

>>54819832
Read the chain, he's replying to someone who's saying socialism is fascist.

>>54819973
Don't worry, the kid just read Marx for the first time and thinks that following a deadbeat who depended on his kids and wife will change the world.

>>54819973
that's pretty much how it's worked throughout history yeah

>>54819792
You don't have to be a government to have socialist policies. It's clear you're never going to understand that.

>>54808180
>>54809271
>Newfags weren't there so it's fanfiction
But of course. Fortunate for you to miss the short and pathetic arc of that guy suddenly turning around on vtubers after he, again, talked shit about vtuber fans, because he didn't know anything about the concept (this was just before Mori was on their shitcast), and at the time it was very trendy to talk about how "problematic Japanese idol culture" and everything ever so slightly related is, so Japanese vtubers and Hololive. All of these fuckers suddenly tried to moral grandstand about "parasocial relationships" specific to vtuber fans which of course, again, being the massive hypocrites that they are, comes off rather shallow from twitch streamers of all people. But when it became clear it would continue to skyrocket anyway twitch streamers jumped on that trend, including cuntor who could suddenly be found replying to tweets of Holomems trying to be all buddy-buddy.

>>54814544
someone find a way to make this about vtubers

>>54820183
Shop the head of Riku Tazumi onto the guy on the right and include 2%.
Easy as pie.

>>54819955
Might want to read up on Volksgemeinschaft, mate.

>>54820113
>No examples
retarded faggot who belives in socialism like some religion instead of following objective facts like north korea, venezuela, cuba, eastern germany, soviet bloc being massive shitholes because of socialists.
Such nice ideology am I right?

>>54819870
>USA
>United States of America
>United
>Union
THOSE COMMIE FUCKS

>>54820124
you do, because socialism is defined as an economic system where the government owns the people as chattel slaves. anything else cannot be socialist because it would be voluntary

>>54820047
Quick reading comprehension test.
>Our "socialist" policies have more in common with fascism than marxism
Does this mean that all socialism is fascist, fascism and marxism are distinct forms of socialism, and/or fascist policies can be rebranded as socialist to be more palatable?

>>54820590
>because socialism is defined as an economic system where the government owns the people as chattel slaves
Who exactly is saying this, and I want the direct quote from them. Not from you.

>>54820367
Shared name yes. but the Volksgemeinschaft was about building a sociality build on "the clean race" not fucking welfare...
And that was during the intermediate war times, not the cold war. Fucking read more then two words of Wikipedia. Jävla fitta

>>54820590
this retard thinks capitalism is defined as freedom or something kek

>>54820726
Socialism, at least its end goal, will never be achieved. It strives for a world where everyone has equal resources, and for that to work, humans would need to become like robots or eusocial insects.

>>54821015
Again because you intentionally evaded it.
>because socialism is defined as an economic system where the government owns the people as chattel slaves
Who exactly is saying this, and I want the direct quote from them. Not from you.

>>54820791
No, you fucking retard. It was about the general welfare of the German race, by ensuring they had bare necessities to live.
The socialdemokraterna basically took the general idea, took out the ethnic aspect, and ran with it.

ITT failed burger education system vs propagandized europoor education system

>>54821113
I'm not the anon you quoted, but history has many examples.

>>54821279
nta but it really fucking doesn't. In fact, two of the most prominent examples of chattel slavery within recent memory were already pointed out in this thread >>54819870 and neither were at all socialist.

>>54819961
There'd be more random knowledge dumps, inebriated outbursts, and vast apathy if that were the case.

>>54821279
>>54821476
So, you're both just making it up definitions.
I'm not shocked.

any marxist leninist vtuber recs?

>>54821611
?

I guess it's true that every board is deep down just another flavor of /pol/.

>>54821476
Socialism is slavery, that's the point. In the Soviet Union, for example, the government chose what jobs you could get, and many times, manipulated this very system so people were forced into jobs against their will.

>>54821774
Anon? Do you think England circa 1619 and the American colonies/pre-civil war-era USA were socialist? Answer that question.

>>54821145
are you just quoting shit out of your ass of can't you fucking read? Volksgemeinschaft was coined before ww1 and later after the nazis came to power it was heavly changed to strictly be about race. And the folkhemmet we're talking about are very much post ww2 and cold war...

Fucking häng dig själv eller något, då tillför ändå inte till värden.