/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

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>>54757947
just don't mention baseball

>>54757947
In his defense well the Japs fucked around and then they found out.

If it wasn't for the nukes you'd have the continued blockade and mass starvation along with Bombs Away LeMay turning each Japanese city into tinder with the nightly fire bombing runs. It won't get Dresden levels of toasty as well you need to get that hot to burn down those cities.

How does it glorify it when it has a sceene where Oppenheimer clearly is devastated by the loss of civilian lives?

>>54757947
>glorifies
So you haven't watched it at all.

Oppenheimer is literally playing uneditted in Japan right now so I'm assuming it's fine

Hololive exists because of the bombs

>>54757947
oppenheimer is less controversial than barbie
it's banned in multiple countries
KEK

>>54757947
Hiroshima (and Nagasaki) burned so that Hololive can rise from the ashes

>>54757947
The film is actually pretty respectful to Japanese people,despite the subject matter. They easily could have pulled a Pearl Harbor and show the full carnage of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, but it almost purely focuses on the morality of the bomb itself and how they tried to justify it's existence.

Also Japan has had a metric fuckton of poor taste atom bomb references in anime since the 80s

>>54757947
>glorifies
retard, the whole movie is a guilt trip

>>54757947
Japs are actually, well I wouldn't exactly say "grateful" for the a-bombs, but they certainly put it to good use as they can hide behind "omg look at this horrible thing that was done to us poor widdle victims" and have it overshadow all their own dirty deeds of WW2 in the public consciousness.

>>54757947
This one will get her Faunaschizo, I can feel it. You've struck gold this time.
Mindbroken fucking schizo

>>54757947
Bombing civilians was not a warcrime at the time and all of the major powers during World War II engaged in such acts. The US was just more effective at it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerial_bombardment_and_international_law

This doesn't seem like someone who was proud of his legacy with no remorse or regret.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=AdtLxlttrHg
The film does a good job showing his belief in the war effort but also his profound understanding of the cruelty and horror he unleashed into the world and how he had to believe in a better future in order to cope with what he created. It does everything but paint him as some kind of hero.

>>54757947
means to an end, do your history reps.
nip war council had a death before surrender attitude, didnt surrender after first bomb, didnt even surrender after second bomb until soviets took advantage and invaded. millions more would have died if they didn't bomb.

>>54760088
I will make nanking look like a day in the park

>>54760600
Do your japan reps. The film is hugely controversial there, dirty american

>>54757947
>Talking about a film that glorifies a man that helped to commit war crimes on civilians in Japan
>glorifies
did you watch the fucking movie you illiterate fuck?

>>54760600
Yea since the US was getting cold feet about the casualty expectations for Operation Downfall they were going to try and starve them out while keeping them fully blockaded
And unlike the Brits, Japan lacked the ships to blockade run once you start to have USN subs going Happy Season on any Japanese shipping they see.

>>54757947
Kiara talked about Oppenheimer during the karaoke relay.

>>54760088
that sounds antisemitic to me, anon.

>>54760600
The Soviets would have taken all the continental Japanese possessions either way, though.
Whether there was a better way or not is all just speculation

>>54757947
>watches nukes are le bad movie
wake me when she watches something that glorifies fire bombing japan

>>54757947
>glorifies
It's the opposite, actually. Oppenheimer realized that he had commited a grave sin (even though the bomb's invention was inevitable as someone would have done it eventually). His work might have been a necessary evil and not the worst outcome, but enabling humans to wreck the planet is crossing a line that no human should.

>>54757947
In a parallel world where Oppenheimer wasn't born hololive doesn't exist

>>54760600
>history reps
shut up shart. No one cares about what your high school propaganda book said. I just thank god the good guys stopped your elites from creating another atrocity in Kyoto too.

>>54761680
grave of the fireflies scene with the charred remains of the mother traumatized me as a kid

>>54761782
you wanna talk about atrocities in ww2?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731

>>54760932
The Americans made so many purple heart medals for Operation Downfall that they were still giving them out in Afghanistan.

>>54761782
>>54762244
>Kyoto
The cultural center of japan. The cultural center of Europe, Dresden wasn't so lucky. 500 years of culture, beautiful statues everywhere. It was once considered the most beautiful city in the world. Americans claim it was railroads. They only incidentally destroyed 1 of the 18 stations! It was 1945! The war was over and the city was full of refugees. 700 thousand firebombs full of phosphorous. Do they know? No, the good guys always win.

>>54758889
Baseball you say?

>>54757947
Without the bombs we wouldn't have inspired Tezuka to make Astro Boy, which means he wouldn't have created manga, which means we wouldn't have anime, which means we wouldn't have had Vtubers. All Chubas should shill Oppenheimer.

>>54763024
the bombing raids were by britain you goddamn racoon and bomber harris SHOULD do it again

>>54759179
cuz stupid faggots who haven't watched the film think it's this, some people are really stupid

>>54759796
Barbie got almost banned in the Philippines, while Vietnam sperged hard about it and banned it on sight, just because of a fixtional world map that showed a line that vaguely resembles the Nine Dash Line, or china's sovereign borders in the sea, according to their headcannon.

>>54763138
lmao and what about the mustangs raking the groups of survivors and emergency workers? 150k-200k people, burn to death or died terrified.

>>54764251
>>54763978
quoted the wrong fag

>>54757947
But the movie portrays Oppenheimer as wanting to build the bomb because they were in a race against the Nazis and Soviets, and then the last portion of the movie is basically a prolonged panic attack that it's being used to incinerate Japan and we're all probably in hell from it.

>>54764471
If he was gonna use it against the soviets he is more evil than I thought.

>>54757947
I want those atomic bombs in my mouth, if you know what I mean

the bomb saved japan from being completely devastated by an American invasion.

All while the Soviets woul invaded them from the north, and turn them into another Korea.

>>54761745
I don't watch Nolan films he's the redditors Michael Bay

>>54765449
Then either take a minute to read about them, or don't make assumptions.

>>54765681
Nah

>>54757947
japs pretend ww2 never happened. even the nazi were disgusted about their behavior
those atomic bombs saved the lives of millions

>>54765153
So where are you from that you never learned about the Cold War and how we as humans came extremely close to wiping out the entire world in nuclear armageddon?

>>54765423
>we saved soldiers from dying by vaporizing 200 thousand civilians, mostly women and children
amerisharts, everybody.
>All while the Soviets woul invaded them from the north
Thank god your allies didn't invade them or hundreds of thousands of women would have just been raped and not horrifically burned.

>>54766100
Japan deserved it stfu

>>54766100
NTA, and I can't know for sure if the bombs were necessary or not, but an American invasion of Japan would have meant millions of causalities and not just soldiers according to every expert and simulation at the time. Your over simplification of the war is absurd.
Additionally, Americans occupied Japan after the war, and while there were instances of sexual violence, it paled in comparison to what the Soviets did to the Germans after WW2. One of the reasons the Japanese surrendered to the Americans was because they didn't want to be occupied by the soviets at any cost. That should tell you everything.

Despite the awful imperialist war crimes of Japan no civilians deserve to be guinea pigs for destructive devices like that just to ensure they become a US puppet state.

>>54766448
>embargo country
>block their ports
>starve them after biggest earthquake in their history destroyed their infrastructure and killed a generation of their best men
>why are you attacking me? I better go to war! >Also let's go to war in Europe even though it's massively unpopular.

>>54766100
yes unironically. bombing the shit out of japan(both atom bombs AND the firebombing of Tokyo) were 100% morally justified.
Japan deserved to be punished for their crimes, and they NEVER would have unconditionally surrendered without the bombings.
also we rebuilt Japan and objectively made them better than they ever were by eliminating their cringe religion and restructuring their economy/governmental system.

>>54766733
Whatever you do anon, DONT look up the reason behind the embargo.

>>54760600
>nip war council had a death before surrender attitude
the council was split between doves and hawks, only like 3 of them were like that, the others (including the emperor) were leaning towards surrender but not an unconditional one (assurances the emperor, who was seen as a living god, wouldn't be executed for war crimes was a big one)

>>54757947
go back

>>54766733
>perform live human experimentation on prisoners without anesthesia
>rape and kill hundreds of thousands
>sexual slavery
>force fathers to rape daughters and sons to rape mothers
>place people in pressure chambers until their eyeballs exploded
>brutalize rape babies for science
>inject people with diseases to see how fast they would die
>death toll in the millions
gee i wonder why they embargoed
at least hitler was humane about it

>>54757947
My TL is full of nips seething at Barbienheimer thing for being unethical kek.

>>54767930
>implying that america didn't do anything like that
>implying there aren't hundreds of Tuskegee Syphilis Study or oak ridge types of things
>implying america never studied prisoners like at Holmesburg Prison
>implying the atomic bomb or dresdan were humane
I'm glad the good guys won. lmao vtubers,

>>54757947
War crimes? Imperial Japan was committing actual war crimes in occupied territories that ironically shocked Nazi Germany who wanted them to stop.
People are so uneducated

>>54757947
>a film that glorifies a man
At the end of the film the both Strauss and that paid prosecutor show that Oppenheimer was to some degree a two-faced bastard. And that at least some part of him did want to see the project realized (even after Germany surrendered).
In any case the movie is 3 fucking hours of talking. The only mildly disturbing scene is like 2 minutes long and you only see 2 charcoaled japs and some screaming. The whole interrogatory could've been at least 30 minutes shorter and still gotten the point across of Oppenheimer and the US govt. 8/10.

>>54757947

>>54768845
actually grasping at straws here to compare anything you said to what japs did in ww2 lol. there's a reason all chinese, korean, and SEA baby boomers despise japs

>>54769349
Indonesians is thankful for the nuke. The republic probably wouldn't exist without it.

>>54769349
>there's a reason niggers and natives despise americans.
>the only reason Europe and japan don't is because you straight up burned anyone to death that should have a grievance and any dissent was stamped out with shit like the plaza accord

>>54766733
>>54767930
>>54768845
The embargo was because we (or more specifically - western capital) wanted the Chinese & Indochinese resources, and while we were in the process of acquiring them, the japs started getting uppity and got in our way. The embargo was leverage when we told them to get the fuck out.

And yeah, they 100% deserved to get nuked due to their subhuman behavior both on and off the battlefield. Also dropping them had absolutely nothing to due w/ saving lives, or even ending the war more quickly, that shit was over. The nukes were about making a statement and showing the world what we had.

>>54770120
It's an interesting way to put it. I agree, a war with dehumanized foreigners is a lot easier to sell than another brother war fought specifically for people who hate and will enslave you.

>w-we did it to save lives
>aksxchully they deserved it as revenge because we really care about random asians
amerimutts need to get their story straight becase it almost sounds like they're just looking for any random excuse
when your only moral guideline is serving the jews you can't go around talking about other people acting like subhumans
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RM0uvgHKZe8

>>54757947
I get it, you didn't watch the movie. You can just say so next time.

>>54770889
it's hyperpatriotic westoid cope, and history majors will go berserk and spew the land invasion argument if you dare mention the bombs were awful
>t. American

>>54765153
Why? Do you think the Soviet were the good guys despite agreeing to split Europe between themselves and Germany (until the Nazis betrayed them) and invading their innocent neighbors like Finland? And don't even get me started on all the shit Stalin did to both Eastern Europeans as well as the Russians themselves.

>>54771400
>t. American raised on CIA propaganda
>finland
>innocent
>not letting Germany take all of Poland was bad, it just was okay

>>54759179
>Expecting the masses to think intelligently, or trolls to act charitably

>>54760088
Mr Jap. I think it is time to initiate operation "Cherry blossoms at night".

>>54763097
ouch

>>54759103
not true, the US already made deal with the user to get them to declare war again on Japan and not wanting to lose the emperor folded, the nuke were a show of force

>>54765153
They were afraid that if the soviets created the bomb before US and western Allies that it would be used on them next after the Axis powers were dealt with.
While no one can with absolute certainty what Stalin era USSR would have done with an unchecked atomic weapon there's a lot of evidence based on later events that point to it not ending well for humanity.

>>54772583
I'm actually from Finland and know exactly how Russia weaseled itself into that war with a literal false flag attack at Mainila. You sound like one of those mutts who figures out he's being fed CIA propaganda and decides to counter this by slurping up all the Russian propaganda he can get.

>>54764471
nazis weren't going to do it since they believed it was Jewish links even though they tried making wonder weapons

>>54757947
Only Changs get insanely angry about WW2 stuff, and Jews only do so manipulatively.

>>54762244
Did you read this one too?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_cover-up_of_Japanese_war_crimes

>>54773406
>Abrogated a peace treaty to join the Nazis, blockaded Leningrad and helped murder 1.5 million Russians who were doing nothing more than defending their homeland
>we're the good guys I promise this conspiracy theory means it's okay to have helped the side committing genocide

>>54773940
>Russia bullies and backs neighboring nations into a corner
>Instigates conflict
>cries about the war they caused
>loses
Hundreds of fucking years of the same bullshit.

>>54773940
Are you a historylet or just a brainlet?
>Abrogated a peace treaty to join the Nazis, blockaded Leningrad
This happened in the Continuation War. The Russian invasion of Finland that took place 2 years earlier was unprovoked. Or are you trying to argue some crazy shit like "they deserved that because they will take revenge on us in the future, which we discovered via a crystal ball"?
>helped murder 1.5 million Russians who were doing nothing more than defending their homeland
After the Russian had previously invaded Finland and murdered a bunch of Finns who were doing nothing more than defending their homeland.
>we're the good guys I promise this conspiracy theory means it's okay to have helped the side committing genocide
A conspiracy theory that the Russians themselves later admitted to. It's also a stretch to claim that accepting help from the Nazis to fight the Soviets was helping their genocide.

>>54773658
This was all justified in the context of the cold war. There was a greater evil (communism) to deal with.

Winners don't commit war crimes you silly goose

>>54773940
Also I forgot to mention but the Winter War cost the Soviets over 300,000 casualties. Imagine if those soldiers had been there to defend Leningrad and the Nazis didn't have any support from the victims of Soviet aggression. So many lives could have been saved if not for Russian aggression towards its neighbors. Of course this is hardly a surprise given that the Soviets then proceeded to kill millions of Russians via purges and famines. Russia truly is its own worst enemy.

>>54757947
>glorifies
The guy experienced serious guilt that it was used on the japanese but didn't even blink at at the prospect of poisoning hundreds of thousands of germans with radioactive isotopes to slow their research down and spent much of his life afterwards arguing against stockpiling, which cost him his status in the end after backstabbing his colleagues
>war crimes
They weren't crimes then, civilian targets were bombed all the time, by both sides of the conflict. The US just used bigger bombs. Obviously it doesn't justify what happened, even in terms of lives saved by averting a hypothetical conventional invasion. It is what it is, and basically everybody that was around back then is dead now anyway.

She won't get in trouble from management, I can probably see some fans claiming it's in poor taste, but who gives a fuck about them anyway?

>>54773940
they were literally getting invaded by russia

>>54757947
Amerimutts didn't nuke the Nazies but didn't think twice on nuking the Japs. Let that sink in.
Even worse is that most of the people that bomb killed weren't even soldiers but civilians, including lots of children. It was literally the biggest, most serious, heinous, dangerous to humanity war crime in human history... But the Juice, right? Poor Juice. 6 gorillion Juice.

>>54776089
They didn't nuke the nazis because they'd already surrendered by the time the bomb was ready. Oppenheimer was even on record saying he regretted that the bomb wasn't ready in time to use it on them.

this is just as bad as /his/ tbhdesu

history is for fucking nerds

why are saplings like this?

>>54776476
Stop fucking nerds

>>54760449
>cruelty and horror he unleashed on the world
MAD has saved millions of lives. A few hundred thousand Japs was a small price to pay. Imagine the dogpile that would be happening in Ukraine if Russia didn't have the nuclear option.

>>54757947
>a man that helped to commit war crimes on civilians in Japan for a Japanese company?
lold

>>54757947
She's gonna say poggers when the bombs drop and her JP fans will thank her for her service

>>54760449
Oppenheimer is such a fucking faggot
Goes on record 20 years later spouting some gay buddhist garbage jacking himself off
If he didnt do it somebody else would have
He is no more important to it than the nigger that dug up the uranium

>>54776089
>Amerimutts didn't nuke the Nazies but didn't think twice on nuking the Japs. Let that sink in.
The internet really is a breeding ground for smugly retarded people like you.

>>54777647
We don't have to imagine it to be honest, that shit in Ukraine is lethal enough even with the limited capabilities involved. With the conventional weaponry modern militaries have now, we'd make both world wars look like a fucking joke. MAD and legal restrictions on warfare are the only things stopping us from really playing with all the new toys that have been developed since Japan was nuked.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_StGD94FAk
Look at this fucking shit. If people in the 30s were shown this and shit like it, they would have thrown down their arms and sworn off warfare forever.

>>54757947
War crimes are just a joke and post-conflict rationalization. They are futilely trying to pull the reins on war itself. Humans have been murdering and destroying each other since antiquity we simply have developed more effective ways of doing it.

>>54757947
sure, but it also led to some great art, so we can't really say if it was bad or not.

>>54765449
Marvel slop are way more reddit

oppenheimer was never treated as an interesting historical figure compared to the scientists back then like einstien, bohr, heisenberg, godel, neumann etc. his personality was so boring and he only had a redditor tier casual and flimsy moral dilemma

funny that nolan and amerimutts awkwardly makes such an irrelevant tard look charismatic or very "human" with a "philosophical dilemma" lol. he wasnt never that profound. hes just a casual boring fucker. purely they all run out of ideas

>>54757947
neat

>>54757947
>yfw Alfreb Einstein was just a figment in Oppies head the entire time

Don't care. Only here for the Ayame shitposting.

>>54765423
No it still fucked up Japan either way. It was a tragedy that could've been completely avoided since the war was all but done. Japan would've just killed themselves even further had the bomb not been dropped. (remember, Okinawa was already being invaded a few weeks prior to the bombing)

>>54766733
Okay, so why did they try to take over the rest of Asia then? What did we have to do with that embargo?

According to this board's infinite wisdom, Watame and Fubuki shouldn't have mentioned their friendship trip to Hiroshima.

>>54768845
Whataboutism.

>>54766733
Pearl Harbor is why we went to war with Japan you fucking retard. And our allies were being pressured by the Nazi's. America was fucking pissed at Japan either way.

>they think movies are an accurate portrait of historical events

>>54759179
Because this new film, like all mainstream documentation of the matter, falsely portrays the Manhattan Project scientists as troubled and regretful of their participation, instead of as the eager, bloodthirsty maniacs they really were.

>>54757947
The firebombings of Tokyo killed more people and destroyed more land area than either nuclear bomb did. But dipshits just get scared and angry at the words "atomic" and "nuclear."

Also the Japs considered their own government guilty of the nuclear bombings because the Jap government refused to surrender even when the US threatened the Japs with "unimaginable destruction" if they didn't surrender. And even after the first bomb they still refused to surrender, hence the second bomb to teach them a lesson.

>>54757947
>NO NO NOOOOOO YOU DIDN'T WATCH MY LE KINO OSCAR BAIT MOOOOVIEEEEEE
This is such excellent bait

it's hilarious how many of you retards are defending japs. Who gives a shit about them, they're literally the most soulless human beings walking the earth, they are demons in human skin. I know it was done mostly to chinks(there were also slavs who were captured as well), but the shit done in unit 731 makes nazis look like daycare workers in comparison.

>>54792009
>they're literally the most soulless human beings walking the earth, they are demons in human skin
in the times of war? they were fucking assholes. Now? they're docile and won't go back to war. You should worry about the middle east and China now.

Educate yourself you absolute weebs, no one liked Japan back then. Maybe do a quicksearch and start the keywords such as "Kamikaze 1945" or "Nanjing Massacre"

>>54773171
Yeah this entirely, All the fucking retarded justification of "WELL KILLING 200,000 INNOCENT CIVILIANS IN THE WORST POSSIBLE WAY WAS JUSTIFIED BECAUSE IT TOTALLY ENDED THE WAR EARLY" is so dumb because the war was basically already over. We just wanted someone to nuke to show off our power and Japan was the only enemy power left that we could reasonably nuke.

>>54793999
Picking up a textbook and reading it is tough for SEA's.

>>54794333
>is so dumb because the war was basically already over.
But it wasn't over, USA wanted an unconditional surrender and they didn't even surrender after the first nuke. Before the nukes, Japan's peace deal included them still occupying land which was absurd and you can't point to that and say "look the war was over".

>>54795081
They were hoping on the soviets brokering a peace deal retard, they surrendered once it became obvious that wasn't going to happen.

>>54792195
And Washington DC plutocrats, and glowies from the alphabet organizations.

>>54795575
They're bad too but I want to say outside of America. Iran fucking hates us. China fucking hates us.

>>54795630
Oh, I agree, but we're getting fucked on both ends, and I fear the enemy within doing more damage.

>>54792009
Worth it for the medical research, chinks are soulless so it's not a loss quantifiable against the amount learned. Those nips are alright in my book.

>>54795522
They made it clear that unconditional surrender was not an option and they rather fight in those proposals, America gave them plenty of chances to surrender but they didn't. I hate this America nuked them for fun narrative spewed by literal braindead morons.

>>54797396
It wasn't for fun it was an obvious attempt to display power to the rest of the world and specifically russia.

>>54797396
It's worth noting that the US had hoped they'd surrender after the first bomb, while the japanese thought they only had the one.

>>54760136
>Gassing civilians was not a warcrime at the time..

>>54790884
Got some source material for me to peruse?
There's video evidence of 'Heimie's at-the-time commentary at it's fairly glum & remourseful.

>>54798812
Ray monk's Oppenheimer

>>54797698
And nothing to do with Japan because they were already beaten? A country in total war mode and a population of 71 million after ww2, the war would have dragged on forever or ended on different terms

>>54757947
the japs had it coming, oppenheimer probably didn't actually regaaret it, and eisenhower was the last truly based president

>>54757947
Despite how much Americans wish otherwise, the Japanense have never cared about the atomic bombings as it relates to war. They just don't like how it targeted civilians. That's why they themselves have tons of beloved media about the bombings even though they disrespect Imperial Japan more than Americans do. Because it's all told from a civilian anti-war hippie perspective. So any problems they had with a movie about war they would have with any movie about war. Unless it glorifies the killing civilians part, their cognitive dissonance is fine with it.

>>54798812
Greg Mitchell

>>54798034
Also Japan was hoping for Americans to lose interest in the war because sustaining a war across the pacific is a monumental task

>>54792009
>these things that were done in the 30's and 40's in this part of the world were bad
>but they were okay in my part of the world then
>and they've been okay ever since everywhere else in the world because women were given the right to vote!

>>54794517
i really doubt it's SEA's defending japan here lmao

>>54793999
What does back then have to do with anything you goddamn retard? You either have to hate Japan still or admit you're a hypocrite because those people you hated then are the same people who made the Japan everyone loves now.
>B-but if we hadn't dropped the bomb, then how would some kid who survived it write a classic manga about it!
Imagine thinking that because you killed enough innocent people, that means Japan is good now. It's always "rules for thee and not for my lizard masters" bullshit with Burgers.

https://historynewsnetwork.org/article/176762

>>54773171
The military didn't want to surrender regardless of the emperor decision

>>54784776
He was also a noted asshole by his colleagues, Truman and Von Neumann had a couple of choice words for him. Truman, detesting "weepiness" from such men, banned him from his office after Oppenheimer went on a whine about having blood on his hands while Truman was the one who actually gave the order to drop the bombs and found Oppenheimer's beliefs to be absurd, since he alone felt responsible, and Von Neumann suggested, rather acidly, that the display of guilt from Oppenheimer was a way to take credit for it all.

Fauna isn't retarded like Mumei to show the detonation on stream like the Hildenberg in DanDan
She'll be fine

>>54801071
If we hadn't dropped the bomb, we would have besieged them with a total blockade, killing millions more innocent civilians and dealing a deathblow to Japan as a nation. If we hadn't done that, we would have launched a full-scale amphibious invasion, complete with nuclear preparatory bombardment (yes, you read that right) of the Japanese fortifications. Oh, and a typhoon would have turbofucked the entire fleet in its staging area, in hindsight. The landing beaches were also few in number, and therefore thoroughly pre-sighted by Japanese defenses. Far worse options were on the table. A less terrible one was chosen.

good cock

>>54790371
>>54804579
nope. The cope is that america was morally good and morally good people get to starve a bunch of civilians to death to start a war. A country that just a lost 150k lives in an earthquake that it never recovered from. We can't talk about the end of the war without acknowledging that we forced japan's hand to save our greatest allies in europe, even though that war was massively unpopular in the states.

>>54757947
Wasn't Oppenheimer against dropping the bomb in Japan? Correct me if I'm wrong.
I know MacArthur originally was against it, before being convinced by the President.

>>54759631
really, Japan as we know it exists because of the bombs
let's be grateful

>>54757947
I'm wating for Russia to do a couple air bursts over Ukraine. Think of the lives that will be saved in this planned prolonged war.

>>54806067
>Yes but America-
It doesn't matter. Doesn't matter that they lost people in a natural disaster either. None of it justifies waging a violent campaign of rape and barbarism across East Asia. The US only embargoed them to begin with because Japan kept invading their neighbors, and shooting down all attempts to negotiate. The war wasn't even about food or oil past the first year. They wanted to play as European Colonizers and got bitch slapped hard for their attempt.

>>54801071
No one would hate Japan anymore if their government acknowledged their war crimes and publicly apologized for them. The Germans went as far as banning the image of the swastika in as penance for their government's crimes against humanity, and they apologized numerous times. Japan hasn't had the decency to do one honestly. Best their victims get is a curtly mumbled "we are regretful and reflecting on our actions" statement from some nobody spokesman.

>>54806589
Listen I want that war to end too but we don't need.nukes
The US just needs to stop giving them money.

>>54790175
Retard. The Japs were fucking around with their co-prosperity sphere bullshit long before the US embargo. Of course they would get cut off if they were using that oil to conquer other countries.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Events_leading_to_the_attack_on_Pearl_Harbor

>>54807728
meant for >>54766733

>>54791441
It is flagrant Oscar bait. Nolan is a hack, he's Michael Bay for r*editors. His movies rely on gimmicks and twists meanwhile his characters are flatter than Ina's chest.

>>54799809
Wasn't one of them targeted at some major Mitsubishi war factory that was located in one of the cities

>>54760088
I get what your saying. They were absolutely ruthless. It doesn't change the fact that experimental weapons were used.on them as a show of force to preserve western hedgemony

>>54773940
The only people who throw away their own citizens and soldiers like insects more than the Russians are the Chinese and the only reason that's true is because there's more of them.
Look at this war with Ukraine, for example. Even if the Russians win at this point, it means having thrown 40,000 to 60,000 young men and boys to their death as cannon fodder. Russia has always been like this. They are a people without humanity.

>>54807120
Hating Japan is fine, you're retarded but it's at least consistent (well except the reasons you hate them mean you'd also hate America, so you can't be one of the anons defending America). The problem is weirdos who think somehow it makes sense to hate people until after you've killed them and then immediatley they are good now. Either they were good before you killed them or they're still bad.

>>54766048
The soviets had a bonfire strike policy the entire cold war, the US refused to sign one as well

>>54776089
The nazis had already surrendered August, you fucking history-ignorant retard. And you fags claim that Americans are uneducated about the World and history. Fuck off.

>>54808261 (me)
*surrendered by August
Which is when the bomb was ready. Specifically the nazis surrendered all the way back in May.

>>54789104
Kino

>>54808072
>The problem is weirdos who think somehow it makes sense to hate people until after you've killed them and then immediatley they are good now
If you're talking about individuals then yeah that's a retarded line of thought. If you're talking about people however then there's some nuance there.

>well except the reasons you hate them mean you'd also hate America
The US government has at least acknowledged their war crimes (Dresden, the atom bombs, the firebombing of Tokyo, executing prisoners) numerous times and publicly apologized for them. It's a matter of taking responsibility. The Japanese government won't even take responsibility for comfort women, much less more depraved shit like Unit 731 because saving face is a big part of their culture.

>>54807711
Trust me, most Americans don't agree with sending our money there.

>>54806698
>>54807728
I'm glad you care so much about what randoms on the other side of the world do with their sphere of influence. Guess what? East asia was ruled by chaos and rape even without japan. It's up to the powerful to institute order.
>>54807728
lmao linking shit that you haven't even read, thanks nigger. lets see what it says:
>second sino american war
in that article it brings up the
>Mukden Incident
>The Mukden Incident was a false flag event staged by Japanese military personnel as a pretext for the 1931 Japanese invasion of Manchuria.
Hmm
>Meanwhile, the newly formed Chinese government was trying to reassert its authority over the country after over a decade of fragmented warlord dominance.
lmao

>>54792009
The Japanese are an incredible people that came back from the devastation of WW2 to become the Worlds second largest economy by the end of the 20th century in a span of only 50 years. They lead most western countries in terms of education, low crime stats, technology, health, and overall quality of life. They're a cultural powerhouse, and the world's most valuable IPs are almost all Japanese.
You are literally on a website dedicated to Japanese culture and hobbies. You're a fucking retard, anon.

>>54808983
>East asia was ruled by chaos and rape even without japan. It's up to the powerful to institute order.
So retarded that this has to be trolling.

Also
>greentext
Literally just read the entire background segement. You're going to have to work extra hard to spin that shit. I will not elaborate further.

>>54808992
Post world war hobbies and culture mind you. Anyone who bootlicks the IJA and excuses their war crimes just because of "cool japan" is the lowliest of all weeaboos.

>>54808992
Anon meant defending THOSE japs. Fuck that Japan.

So how did you guys like the movie? I felt it was okay but not really deserving of the insane hype it seemed to get. I'd imagine it is due to it being a Nolan film plus Barbie helping push memes involving the two.

>>54801071
"The bomb caused anime and manga" is a stupid dark joke and oversimplification of history. Japan's economy and culture surged after the war, but saying it's because of the bombs is retarded.
No one actually thinks that way, you braindead SEAfaggot.

>>54773082
102MPH deflected fastball which ruptured one the catcher's testicles.

>>54809383
>it's okay to hate "those" non-existent members of a group that I've been told are the boogeyman

>>54809439
Bravo Nolan/10

>>54809528
>non-existent members of a group
You don't believe that Japan had an imperial army?

>>54794333
>>54795522
>>54797698
You know jack fucking shit retarded redditor. The threat of more bombs was the absolute center of discussion for the japanese war council.
No nukws no surrender.
No surrender one hundred million dead souls for the emperor.
Please for the sake of humanity kill yourself

>>54804263
>asshole
>weepiness
In other words, Oppenheimer was the only one to have any human emotions about the whole ordeal and being one of the lead scientists, would have known the the type of damage that would be unleashed on the Japanese before the others ever saw pictures of burnt in shadows of children on the sidewalk. Von Neumann only cared about recognition and that's why Oppenheimer's guilt made him angry.

>>54809697
god you're fucking stupid. Go read a history book or something.

>>54808665
America's "public apologies" for shit like My Lai are on the same level as Japan's public apologies for shit which they've also done. And America's crimes have continued on after they raped Japan so it makes the hypocrisy worse because they still believe Japan should be punished today for things America has never stopped doing.

And people are always talking about individuals, they just don't admit it. You defend bombing and then enjoy media about the real-life innocent people who died in those bombings. You criticize Japanese individuals but were okay with all of them after they agreed to your ridiculous demands at the end of a gun.

>>54809631
Shigeru Mizuki was a member of the Imperial Army.

>>54804263
Truman was a fucking asshole. Most presidents are behind closed doors.

>>54809958
And?

>>54809210
I hope there are no warlords in your neighborhood, but at least you'll be there with a camera and your pudwacker though. Also read between the lines, pearl harbor is used as a pretext for the war in europe, caused by american interference in someone else's problem. The mukden incident is used as a pretext to clean up Manchuria. One of them is decried and called a conspiracy, the other has 20 pages of cope. I'm glad the good guys got to write all the history books.

>>54810009
>nebulous x are bad
>except any y that was part of x, it turns out they were just human and often even better than me at contributing to the world

>>54757947
OP

>>54806067
>Durr... why didn't the Americans just fuck off once they were winning? Why didn't they have compassion for their enemy after they were hit by an earthquake?
Holy shit, you're a fucking retard. World War 2 was clearly a much bigger conflict than your tiny brain can wrap itself around.
You don't just leave your enemies alone and let them recover because an earthquake, you smooth-brained retard. The entire point of forcing a surrender is so that the shit they did wouldn't happen again.
And America was not "morally good" because there never is moral good in such a large historical conflict. Every side committed atrocities. That is the nature of war.
I cannot understate how stupid you are. You are completely oblivious to not only history, but also how war even works.
There are no time-outs in war, you fucking moron.

>>54809519
Really? Why aren't those idiots using those crotch protector things?

>>54807120
>No one would hate Japan anymore if their government acknowledged their war crimes and publicly apologized for them.
You dumb gook. You can't pull that shit here. Japan has been apologizing and acknowledging their war crimes for 70 years and every time they do, you faggots demand more and more. After sending you people the reparations you demanded, you literally turned around and demanded more.

ITT: failed history majors and wiki autists vs ESL troglodyte revisionists from shithole countries

>>54810122
Maybe the author of Kitaro raped some Indonesians during the war. I don't know. You're putting words in my mouth in any case. I never said shit like your greentext is claiming

>>54810624
Are all Americans really ESL? Is it already that bad over there?

>>54810624
>delusional weebs vs seething SEAfags
Kinda pathetic

>>54757947
The official Barbie movie JP account had to apologize because the English one made a joke about it “being a summer to remember”. Might be a sensitive topic

>>54808072
>>54808665
>>54809884
>Hating Japan is fine
Hating Japan is stupid. The people there today have nothing to do with the shit their great grandparents did. They don't even share their old beliefs.
You don't see anyone demanding German decedents of the nazis forfeit everything they own in order to pay pack their victims.
And I assume you're SEA so here's a newsflash, retard: YOU don't have anything to do with your great-grandparent's suffering that was caused by the Japanese. YOU are as completely removed from the war as they are. There's literally no reason to hate a child born in Japan today, just because they were born in Japan.
Kill yourself.

>>54810719
You explicitly admitted to pretending there are two different Japan's and the complete change that made them good was American boots on their neck.

>>54810915
I never said that shit. Take it up with some other anon.

>>54810890
People do advocate for what you describe and worse for Germans. You're also a retard who can't read the posts you reply to.

>>54810975
>Anon meant defending THOSE japs. Fuck that Japan.

>>54809361
>>54809383
Go read this retard's diatribe >>54792009 and tell me it sounds like he's only talking about the IJA. He literally calls the Japanese "the most soulless" people, lmao.

>>54810890
>let's just forget about history and move on
Fuck off.

>>54811226
First time on 4chan? Have you never seen a hyperbole before?

>>54810890
The former axis don't need to "pay" for their crimes today since its unreasonable, but the fact that millions have died and the scars are still present to this day wont go away. The least they can do is properly apologize for it, which Germany and Italy are consistent in. I think it rubs people the wrong way when Japan changes their stance from shallow apologies, to saying they dindu or even portraying themselves as the "real victims".

>>54811226
>I know it was done mostly to chinks(there were also slavs who were captured as well), but the shit done in unit 731 makes nazis look like daycare workers in comparison.
This is clearly targeted towards the Japanese military. That anon was just being extreme by describing them as souless, you autist.

>>54810352
Comfort, the risk of having your balls explode is calculated.

>>54810890
>japs don't even share their old beliefs
nigger shinzo abe was an ultranationalist that denied the nanjing massacre and comfort women sex slave ring

>>54811275
bruh, they already got nuked. Is two not enough?

>>54811185
NTA but THOSE japs, and " that Japan" clearly refers to the Empire that was responsible for all that shit.

>>54811275
>Let's hate each other forever over shit that never happened to us.
There's a middle ground, you idiot.
If the US held grudges like you Asians do, then we'd still hate the UK, Japan, Germany, and any other place we had conflict with in the past.
At some point you have to move the fuck on. You aren't that important and your country isn't the main character of the world. No one is.

>Germans faced genocide in the lands they lived in for hundred of years in the post-war era
>Germans are forced to kneel and apologize
>Nips were nuked, but kept intact with their emperor and core lands
>Nips do mental gymnastics on how they are the victims
I can respect the hustle Japan is doing desu

>>54811476
That was a direct response to Korea demanding further compensation and reparations after their previous monetary demands were met.

>>54810624
western propaganda vs primary sources and bleeding hearts. Only always online fools care about shit that happened a hundred years ago, that's why the only people crying about your propaganda programming are also crying about American atrocities.
>>54811781
he says in the safest place in thew world to say shit like that. Go be antisemitic somewhere else and see what happens.

>>54811781
This anon >>54811381 said it well enough.

>>54758889
I thought Japs love baseball?

>>54809884
Seems like as much of a direct apology as you can give:

>William Calley, the former Army lieutenant convicted on 22 counts of murder in the infamous My Lai Massacre in Vietnam, publicly apologized for the first time this week while speaking in Columbus.
>"There is not a day that goes by that I do not feel remorse for what happened that day in My Lai," Calley told members of the Kiwanis Club of Greater Columbus on Wednesday. His voice started to break when he added, "I feel remorse for the Vietnamese who were killed, for their families, for the American soldiers involved and their families. I am very sorry."

>>54809884
>You criticize Japanese individuals but were okay with all of them after they agreed to your ridiculous demands at the end of a gun.
Headcanon

>>54811381
>But America doesn't need to apologize for the bombs btw, which is what I'm in this thread defending!

>>54811476
He was this site's last true hero. Life has lost its meaning without him.

>>54807120
The Germans are literally being genocided via mass migration by the jews and are browbeaten constantly over the actions of their heroic Nazi ancestors, whose only crime was losing the war against three jew-controlled world-spanning empires, wtf are you talking about.

>>54813210
>great replacement
>>>/pol/

>>54811834
It's because of the German genocide that I defend Japan, I couldn't save my own ancestors but I'm not just going to quietly sit by while the same evil is perpetrated by the exact same scum on another people.

>>54812252
It's always interesting how Americans are fine with fake punishments and show trials for their military while all the people who should be held responsible are considered heroes. But when the same is done for other countries like Japan, it's evil and their names should always be dragged through the mud and their honors stripped because the people at the top need to pay for what individuals at the bottom did.

>>54811834
Yes kowtowing to jews never gets you anything. Germans gave the jews whatever they wanted but it will never be enough.

>>54813271
/pol/ is right, what about it? Is Germany (and all of Europe) not getting browner by the year?

decent movie, the explosion scene was pretty bad though.

>>54814067
The sound design on the explosion was insane. I love the utter silence after the blast. I felt like I couldn't breathe.