/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>54621767
I want her to look at me like that…

she's the REAL girlfriend experience

shw was making a recovery until the last part.

>>54621767
>the expectations set for it.
By who?

>>54622127
>I'm gonna go dinner with my friends, you be a good boy ok?

mori

>>54621767
she seems like a BPD menhara to me, whats wrong?

Fucking hell and now people here have spun it as a purely speculative collab issue instead of an esl charisma and personality void trying to get to 45 minutes

>>54621767
This is absolutely nothing in comparison to mumei's debut, are you new?

>>54621767
Debuts generally are awkward or a technical shitshow but this is the first time I seen a holo debut being bad just because of the person herself, even Korone debut that people always speak you can see her charisma and will to be there from her

>>54622501
Yeah but the boring kind who suddenly ghosts you and leaves you wondering if it's all your fault, not the exciting kind that ruins your life and bruises your neck with hickies.

>>54621767
>I have never seen a debut crash and burn so hard
cute newfag

>genshit
>husbandos
she is for the sisters

>>54622273
Everyone pretty much no?
Look at all of her fanart, even outside this place people were hyping up the psycho yandere thing and beyond the model that turned out to be completly off the mark.
She‘s another generic, inoffensive vtuber and will either mostly collab with her indie friends or tempus.

Do you rike anons?
>you're no better than omega
Omega? No anon, I am Omega

>>54622309
This sounds like cvck behavior.

>>54622535
>Doesn't answer the question.
Just admit you failed yourselves on this one. It'll be much easier.
>>54622904
Nailed it. She didn't set shit for you. You got hyped up on made up traits she never had. Even after everyone who's paid attention to vtubing for more than a couple years told this board who she was.

>>54621767
After having seen her PL it was actually going above expectation for me. At least she was trying to put up a GFE/menhera act.
Of course she had to ruin it at the end with the friends collabs part. Rock cunny it is.

>>54622501
the truth is no one wants a real menhera goth girl, they simply want a girl that pretends to be one.

>>54623095
Yasss slayyyyy

>>54623095
Most people just looked at the design and imagined a personality from that that is just how debuts work
Doubt most people know who she was

>>54621767
at least she was upfront about male collabs. Now we can drop her for bijou

>>54621767
cover wants more women viewers after seeing irys's analytics. she was hired for sisters to talk about genshin boys with

>>54623095
go off sis spill that tea

>>54621767
>ignored most of this board's shit since the debut trailer
>watched her debut and had fun with it
This board and the catalog are always wrong, I thought you people would have understood this by now.

>>54622169
This.
Yeah she failed to meet expectations from her design.
Sure she didn't do anything actually funny in her stream.
But she was professional, her presentation was on point and she offered something different even if it's not that interesting stream material. Then she just shat out some defensive insecurities about Collabs.
It doesn't even matter if she meant homos or not, it's her whole attitude in that moment that showed her true colors. Just coming out and saying "I'm going to Collab with people and you have to deal with it" was unnecessarily confrontational and accusatory, she's making assumptions about her viewers, fuck that judgemental shit.

>>54621767
Legit the best oral sex queen.

>>54624282
>But she was professional, her presentation was on point and she offered something different even if it's not that interesting stream material.
I just think her issue will be a lack of any sort of special appeal for people to choose her
Crazy goth chick would have been at least something but as it stands now she is just inoffensive

>>54624282
that attitude makes me rock hard desu
I want to hatefuck her

>>54623774
BVTM you're a pathetic shitter

>>54624282
If she isn't interesting, she isn't funny and she isn't what you want in a chuuba, why go looking for stuff to redeem her, especially when the best you can find is that she's "professional." This isn't a job interview, you don't need to give someone a chance just because they debuted under the blue triangle.

>>54622127
>Talks so much about her ex you too start to miss him

>>54621767
Her voice is so bad it's not even funny

I had low expectations and I was still disappointed. Thank god for Bijou saving the night.

>>54621767
Her fans sound like they might be the most bearable of EN's. Can't say the same of Bijou.

>>54621767
I had low expectations and was still disappointed

>>54624282
that atitude is part of the character that she's been playing since the start. but yeah I see your point, maybe it was over the line for people

>>54621767
Yeah (You)r expectations.

>>54621767
I'm somehow disappointed with her even though I had no interest in her.

>>54624282
>professional
>gets defensive about muh collabs on her first stream
You can pick only one

>>54622904
Wow it's almost like you all gaslit yourselves

Since when have the models guaranteed the personality, retard?

>>54621767
>Fantasize about her begging me to throatfuck her until she tears up, and all her mascara runs down her face
>Realize that fantasy will likely not hold up anymore
Bros... it's so hard to let go. I feel so lost

>>54625247
I can already tell pebblepedos will be obnoxious as fuck
Your oshi will definitely collab with Tempus btw just so you know

Man it's nice to see this board never changes and memoryholes every single past debut

Fun fact: she failed vshojo auditions lol

Enjoy the vshojo reject suckas wwwwwwwwwwww

>>54622501
>whats wrong?
/vt/

>>54625754
people are judged by their appearance who knew
why are all you so easily upset

>>54621767
>expectations set
>EN
See there's your first problem, instead of having no expectations and getting pleasantly surprised by Bijou

>>54625641
>She was professional
>UNTIL she got defensive about collabs
Anon, your reading comprehension?

>>54621767
There's always one, the new kronii

>>54626283
>See there's your first problem, instead of having no expectations and getting pleasantly surprised by Bijou
Look at this fucking gaslighting nigger.

Hololive goes there, generating hype, teasing the models, making watch alongs, and then suddenly people are bad ones for getting hyped.

>Bros i want her to verbally abuse me and do stuff i dont agree with.
>She collabs eith whoever she wants.
Noooooo, no that! Garbage! Immersion destroyed.

Which one is it /vt/? It can't be both

You all are fucking mental.
Just the subtlest hint of a male collab, even if it only exists in your minds, puts you into autistic temper tantrums.
Get some help, seriously.

>>54622309
that's your experience with girlfriends? that's rough bro

>>54625982
But that would be a badge of honor

I dont even care about male collabs, but dropping this shit on debut? Thats just another improve yourself moment, should have waited a week or two and choose better words for it while doing a zatsu.

>>54626962
it's fabricated outrage to try and damage her views and subs, done by seething outsiders, not holofans.

>>54626962
the fact that she's going to collab a lot with her old group of friends is enough for me to drop her
>>54627413
cope

Biggest yab in hololive history

>>54627490
don't like being exposed, huh?

>>54621767
She's pretty much DoA with that attitude of hers.

>>54626789
>"and do stuff i dont agree with"
lmao

>>54626789
So you don't even understand how S&M work do you?
The M is the one who is in full control

>>54627274
I've never seen a bunch of words get misinterpreted so hard before

Her debut was fine. Bijou's was just so much better.

>>54626711
>myth exists
>council exists
>gets hyped for EN3

>>54624987
Extremely jarring
>>54625982
Oh fuck...
>>54627788
>>54627274
Instant drop
>>54628137
Can't beat the Big Bijou Cock

>>54621767
>Crash and burn
still more subs than bijou
still more views than bijou
retained more viewers than bijou
so if you're saying she crashed and burned what did bijou do?

Her BF

>>54626711
Cover didn't hype you up, you did.

>>54628277
People don't get it, 8/10 of her streams on the past life was with this dude talking his ass off while she flirted with him.

That's the experience you're about to get unless management knocks sense into her HARD.

>>54628256
your post will age like milk

>>54628256
What part of "overhyped" do you not get, you knuckle dragging sand pounding gorilla brained public multi-ethnic semen receptacle

>>54627413
I watch holo since early 2020 and I only watch them or someone pretty connected with them like Ui-mam but go on, it's all the sisters fault

>>54628256
Also more dislikes than Bijou

>>54622555
nah bruh

>>54628572
Whats her past life?

>>54628572
Oh hell no, what you wrote reminded me of some ho on twitch that speaks like an Alexa and all her shorts on youtube are of a guy flirting with her and her giggling like a retard. People eat that shit up, ridiculously enough.

>>54621767
I'm glad you retards didn't get what yo uwere begging for.

>>54628277
>>54628572
Proof?

>>54628572
I'm just gonna assume it's the /vt/ idea of flirting aka being slightly amused with a joke by someone of the opposite sex

>>54628256
Why do you guys pit them against each other already?

>>54628277
>She's going to collab with him in front of her viewers
Where have I seen this before?

>>54625982
>Dodge a bullet getting into vshitshow.
>End up in a much better company with over 125k viewers, numbers that no vshojo member will ever be able hit even half of
Sounds like an upgrade to me

Just ask how your parents feel about you now.

>>54628924
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7OzZKZTNAY
>>54629046
Just watch the vid anon and tell me this isnt flirting.

>>54628572
the two council members were in similar situations, so if holostaff can reign her in like they did with the other two then she could still be a decent watch
she's not oshi material though, that's for sure

>>54621767
My expectations dropped to 0 when PL was confirmed. I'm literally only going to watch the streams muted so I can get screenshots of her face to tribute to.

>>54624934
kek

Shiori will never lactate her beautiful mammaries to fill into your bowl of bran flakes for breakfast.

>>54629104
Catologniggers hate the idea of mutual respect

>>54629046

>>54622127
>bored AF while talking to you
>expects you to be excited about her weird fujo topics
>goes on dates with her male "friends"
>you can't say anything, your voice doesn't matter at all.
Yeah, the actual real REAL GFE.

>>54629181
I'M NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMBING

>>54629216
Grim

>>54629216
Not great
then again, fauna is popular.

>>54629393
Cope all you want vshitshowfag, the numbers speak the truth for themselves. Moe would've still been a semi-irrelevant who getting low 4 view numbers like most of vshitshow who aren't IronMouse and Henya

What the fuck has this board come to that they declare a vtuber's career dead because they might have possibly HINTED at collaborating with male vtubers (but only in their own minds)?

Here's my prediction for Shiori: For the 1st month she'll be borderline GFE/tease/normie. Then when collab bans are lifted, she'll start to fully become a homobegger. However, she'll understand that most people are only gonna be there for her menhera/goth appeal, so she'll keep up that pretense either through member streams and/or monthly light GFE content. I still hold out hope that she'll be the crazy goth girl everyone wants her to be, but at this point I am prepared to be disappointed as she settles in.

>>54629103
>that face
ewwwwwww

If she collabs with males I will swerve towards greener pastures, but at the same time people on /vt/ are also over-reacting and showing their own insecurities.

>>54629216
Wait, wasn't she supposed to be that Moe chick? Their voices matched

>>54628122
How else do you interpret it? Why else would she get defensive about collabs on debut if she wasn't planning on collabing with people she knew most holofans wouldn't like. Whether it's homos, indie males, twitch vthots, or ecelebs they're all equally bad

>>54629216
This literally how most friends interact with each other

>>54621767
it's not 2020 anymore. These girls need to know the competition is fierce out there, there are more high quality indies and small corpos are doing things extremely well. The days where "BIG corpo = top dog" are over and Nijisanji learned that lesson with every new graduation.

>>54629216
Are you talking about Shiori? People seem to think her past life is Natsumei Moe, who isn't this person I think.

>>54629820
>might collab with lesser known, non hololive people
>some people might be hololive puritans and dislike this
NTA and I'm not defending her by any means, but maybe she's just being overly cautious. If she really does frequent /vt/ as implied, then it would make sense cause this place turns you schizo, even more so if you're a chuuba

>>54630096
She had 2 accounts.

>>54629820
The only difference between most holos and twitch tubers is that twitch tubers don't sing (most of the time)

>>54629326
>Immediately thinks up a detailed cuck fantasy
there's cuck porn out there for you bro, you don't need to make up your own.

>>54621767
You werent there for Ame, huh?

What an absolute waste of a model

>>54621767
I know most girls put on a voice for the first month or so but I really could not stand either of them today. I'm expecting the same from the dogs but I have some high hopes for those 2, both the company and the girls themselves have to be pretty confident to debut as a duo.
Not sure what to expect from the other one.

>>54630253
Ame's last 15 minutes was pure soul

>>54629216
I love receipts. This is horrible content

>>54628572
So was Gura's.

>>54630253
>>54630444
>literal fire background

>>54621767
>Does her own thing.
>Still a 1view unremarkable channel
>gets golden opportunity to incline like Gura, Mumei and Fauna,
>decides to be mori, bae and kronii instead.
DOA

>>54630233
I find it funny how the ones so against things that make them feel cucked are the ones who immediately think of cuckoldry stuff even when other males aren't even present

>>54629216
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7OzZKZTNAY
KEK avoid like the plague now or suffer later

>>54630444
getting high with Ame is still the most memorable holo debut.

>>54630489
stop making shit up you little shit.

>>54630612
probably spent 15 minutes daydreaming the perfect scenario too

>>54629046
This is how flirting works as well, just with more eye contact, or do you think a woman has to say to fuck her in all 4 to be considered a flirt?

>>54631035
>When she laughs at what I say, she's being polite
>When she laughs at what other people say, she's flirting

>>54629216
>Most of the videos are her with some dude

It is so fucking over bros

>>54621767
How did A-Chan and Bae react to THAT part? They started talking Jap, can someone translate?

>>54631417
Correct, actually.

>>54630833
Do your reps, my guy.

>>54624934
too realistic

>>54625982
> Vshojo audition
> audition
He doesn't know.....

>>54625982
>vshojo auditions
who is gonna tell him?

>>54624841
>especially when the best you can find is that she's "professional."
You really underestimate how important the concept of professionalism is in this sphere.

>>54621767
Don't you thing that your expectations might be too high?

>>54627413
You don't seriously believe this, do you?

>>54633928
This is a bait thread anon.
You won't get an honest answer.

>>54628122
Fact of the matter is that nobody really knows what she meant, including you. That's poor communication on her part.
We'll see in time of course, but there's no denying the statement implied that she's "going to do something we might not enjoy", and that's the reason people fear the worst.

>>54633902
Basically every sphere... Someone who just shows up to work on time, doesn't cause drama, and produces mediocre work will win out 95% of the time. It's only the top 1% genius times that can get away with any shit disturbing.

>>54621767
People said that it would happen. How was your expectation different? You only have yourselves to blame.

I had several anons bitch at me that I'm against fun just because I posted that you shouldn't go insane with fanfiction expectation before she's even done her debut. It wouldn't even remotely possible that I or anyone else saying that could have been wrong. The reason you had expectations is because you're delusional, willingly embracing delusions instead of seeing the simple truth. Hearing her was probably too much sensory strain to maintain the delusion, but some of you are already coping and bargaining.

What I'm saying is this: stop being a schizo, it's annoying and cringe, and you only set yourself up for being the buffoon again.

>the expectations set
and what exactly were the expectations? the retarded porn fantasies of the brown people that inhabit this board? wow I can't believe she failed such a quality set of expectations

>>54633970
The vast majority of holofans have absolutely loved both debuts so it stands to reason that the constant barrage of bait threads being made are from non-holo fans or seething 2views.

>>54634346
wats

>>54630586
>using Mumei and Fauna as an example
>based on a debut
anon are you fucking retarded?

>>54634863
I'll answer for him: yes.

>>54621767
no complaints, still want her to abuse me like im filthcan't wait for menhera act to begin, oh boy my dick not gonna survive

>>54633970
I do but I know you're just trying to bait a back-and-forth to keep this shit bumped to page so this will be my last reply; kys

>>54624934
KEK

>>54634747
Just like they loved Bae debut and even now she is the runt
You'll never see shit throw at any holomem, but it's pretty obvious people don't like when you have more than a million subs and is regularly a 3view like Ollie

>>54625408
what character? a defensive bitch?

>>54622997
If jap is a malay, he will get stoned for being transvetite

Is she the Scarle of Hololive?

>>54621767
I don't mind the male collabs, I just won't watch her. Although I didn't watch her PL so I don't have an attachment. I AM disappointed, however, because her voice and personality is so poorly matched to her model. She would have fit much better as Nerissa's model, or one of the doggos.

Just like with Bae, why does HoloEN keep mismatching VAs and models?

>>54629624
who cares about numbers? if it's true that she was actually interested in vshoujo first instead of holo, that tells you everything you need to know about the kind of shit content she will put out

>>54627413
retards who always doompost aren't even fans, they don't watch shit, they're just here because that's the only place where people won't treat them like pathetic losers when they talk shit about someone for nothing.

it's just a bunch of fat neck-beards who have a repressed hate but no one to express it to, it's as simple as that.

>>54630253
Being injected with Ame's concoction was the most creative, fun and wild ride of all the Myth debuts

>>54629269
Wait a fucking minute. I've seen this post. I've seen it so many times. What are you doing outside of your general? This is the wrong crazy literature girl.

>>54628992
okay fauna

>>54625872
you could tell bijou fans would be annoying just from her own "lel random and quirky" sense of humor, but now we know they'll be even more insufferable

Honestly she seems perfect for NijiEN

>>54624934
Here's your (You) you hilarious bastard.

>>54629216
>I was trying to look for him, but he's black so he kinda blends in the scene.

She will bring the downfall of hololive. She will collab with her male friends and then will introduce your oshi to her male friends. She was hired to be will be the bridge for hololive and holostars. Its fucking over...

>>54629216
Did that guy call her babe or maeve?

>>54629216
This bitch just won't fuck off. She's as bad as vwhorejo pink cat, well have fun in hololive kek

>>54621767
>I have never seen a debut crash and burn so hard against the expectations set for it.
Anon? Mumei? You're not this much of a newfag are you?

>>54629756
She had multiple accounts/reincarnations

At least her voice sounds like a less bad Enna

She's Hololive's own Aia, killed her career from day 1 kek.

>>54636580
>mumei
>crash and burn
What the fuck am I reading?

>>54624282
>she's making assumptions about her viewers, fuck that judgemental shit
This is the only point I'd argue with you cause as someone who is most likely to be /here/, she definitely knows how people would go batshit insane had she collabed with someone /vt/ doesn't like(which is a shitton) or god forbid, male. Not helping the matter that there's a shitton of containment breakers from /here/ on twitter being known for spreading their schizo shit there for the talent to see unless they blocked them off there.

>>54629216
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZSWQBuv3pU

kek that fake accent this is actually pretty funny

>>54636620
she sounds a little like her

>>54622904
>psycho yandere
That's Raven. She joined the company just to stalk her oshis.

>>54625370
Considering that she took a vaguely similar route to Bae, most likely

>>54636798
She really didn't. Bae understands diplomacy.

>>54636686
Oh so you're a newfag on top of an ESL. Here let me spoonfeed you: everyone was losing their shit over Mumei because they were hyping her up to be the cool strategy games chuuba of their dreams, remember all the hopeposting? Of course you don't. Anyway, after her debut sucked ass and she was clearly nothing like /vt/ tricked itself into thinking she'd be like, they hated her guts for months, all made worse by dramaniggers spreading boyfriend rrats.

>>54629216
WHERE THE FUCK IS THE JANNY?!

>>54636729
>>54629216
>>54636462
>https://youtu.be/OZSWQBuv3pU?t=153
>"Do you mean to tell me that some asians DON'T have slanted eyes?"
>"You know I'm asian myself, I know how my own people work"

>people /here/ are having autistic meltdowns over purely hypothetical male collabs

>>54629216
newfagchama mumei and fauna ones were much worst than this

>>54629216
>>54636729
>>54636898
lol one of her 3 patreon patrons (could even be someone she knew personally) was flashbangz, the guy who distributed malware in his game torrents.

>>54636948
Could you imagine if someone like Senzawa got into hololive?
>male collabs
>slutty e-celebs
>ironic weeb
It'd be the end of hololive I tell you!

>>54637057
Does she like genshin and husbandos?

>>54635666
oof, they wish

>>54621767
She looks like a rotten girl, acts like a repressed rotten girl, and has rotten girl interests/obsessions. If you expected her to be "Ara Ara who is my little pay piggy" that's a big (you) problem

>>54637057
ironic weebs deserve the axe, unironically

>>54636948
Did she hint potential male collabs during her debut stream though?

She was always going to be a shitter. Everyone knew this the moment the rrats came out that she was Moe.
She's been vtubing for what, 5+ years with nothing to show for it? The only time she was ever funny or relevant was when she was reading off Eilene's bizzare scripts.

>>54637057
Gura and Fauna both played things really straight when it came to collabs though they kept the kayfabe up.

>>54624282
For seven days leading up to this shit, people here were advising to be upfront about male collabs. She takes that advice and you call her confrintational for it.

>>54621767
Even M*ri wasn’t this bad at debut. This is a new low.
It is OWARI DA.

>>54637344
It's a real bummer when you see these boring personalities get the golden ticket, when there's tons of great indie vtubers out there who deserve the spotlight and resources that come from being in the big corpos. Even more of a bummer when you realize like 2/3 of those great indies would struggle if they joined a corpo like holo because perms wouldn't allow them to play the shit they wanted most of the time.

>>54637496
debuts never mean jack shit anon, doesn't matter how well or badly they keep the kayfabe up. 20 threads in the catalog bitching about something from a debut has got to be one of the times the board is at its fucking lowest with rampant newfaggotry.

look at this retard who completely memoryholed mumei's and ame's debuts (or most likely was never there to watch them): >>54637636

>>54637649
We literally got a fun indie debuting in Hololive RIGHT AFTER her, you doomer faggot.

>>54621767
is it natsumi?

>>54637928
her spot is still wasted

>>54637057
but it was tho

>>54637649
i keep seeing this kind of posts and yet they never link these unbelievably good indies.
also people don't join hololive to just play videogames more often than not.

>>54637728
Anon, people are bitching about Mumei not playing Civ games even though her theme is civilization, there's a huge difference between that, awkwardness, technical problems and bad communication that it's the case now
Even if you like male collabs you don't if she mean that because it's bad communication, that's on her, of course there's retards blowing way out of proportion but it's a fact that it's her blunder

>>54637999
>>54434092
2/4 correct. Only Nerissa has the chance to throw a curveball.

>>54637649
>spoiler
Anon, let's be real. If your chuuba is relying on certain games to carry their streams, not even Hololive can save them.

>>54637728
They mean a lot if done right. Ame establishes herself as being creative, gura a singer, mori doesn't know Jack shit about streaming, and ina draws. Kiara was bad though. Her tangents afterwords for superchat reading established her.
I don't know Jack shit about shiori. She didn't show off anything.

it wasnt that bad

>>54638174
I know that she has fujo taste.

>>54638108
why would I share my kamioshi with you putrid vultures?

>>54626036
/thread

>>54638109
>awkwardness
>technical problems
literally all present in mumei's debut
>bad communication
there was no such thing in either of these cases.
>>54638174
>Ame establishes herself as being creative
first of all, so did shiori, did you not see what she plans to do? also did you already forget how she wouldn't shut the fuck up about how she did pretty much every visual element in her stream?
second of all, everyone fucking hated ame's debut regardless of how creatividad it was because it was terribly executed. it's actually insane you're using her as an example.
>>54638241
these "putrid vultures" are part of the hololive audience you think your 2view oh so desperately deserves you fucking retard. link them or stop wasting everyone's time.

>>54638138
It's not about having a game carry a stream, many streamers like playing older games and use emulators because duh, but they wouldn't be able to use emulators if they were in a corpo. Or even if they were using original hardware, EN perms are busted.

>>54638177
It wasn't that good either.
The stream was just... kinda there. Just like Natsumi Moe has been for all these years.

>>54638387
>first of all, so did shiori, did you not see what she plans to do?
anyone can talk about being creative, it's a very different thing to actually show your creativity; "I made this slide" isn't creative
>link them or stop wasting everyone's time.
no, you're a fucking braindead moron

>>54634747
Anon, you understand that nobody is going to voice criticism like this on non-anonymous places, right?
I can accept that there are some bait threads being made for easy trolling, but they wouldn't be successful if there wasn't fertile grounds for doubt. I'm a Holofan but I have no idea what to make of Shiori's collab statement. It was confusing and could mean a number of different things.

>>54638408
Fair enough. Wouldn't be the first time EN wasted a slot. Just look at Sana.
Honestly, I think western indies just aren't trying hard enough to get in. Nene only got the part after auditioning 5 times.

>>54638661
>anyone can talk about being creative, it's a very different thing to actually show your creativity
creativity which she's meant to showcase in her post debut streams you fucking moron. you're literally supporting my point that debuts mean jack shit, especially if you or that other anon wanna keep insisting ame's meant anything since everyone immediately started loving her after she did her valorant and superliminal streams.
>no, you're a fucking braindead moron
then once again stop wasting everyone's fucking time and neck yourself.

>>54638891
She's a legend for one thing at least. RTA champ for preaching behavior

>>54638387
>Plans
Who gives a shit I wanna know what she can do during her debut. That's what we're talking about. I can plan to mating press bae but unless it happens it means nothing. And people liked ame concoctions debut. As trippy as it was. It was also the first time she revealed time traveling that was on the fly lore. Also shiori didn't do all the visual effects. The artist for her logos and transition already took credit for it on Twitter. Her debut was ass. She didn't show off any of her strong points and all this drama is what people are taking away from it.

>Instead of sexy menhera you got actual menhera

Serves you faggots right. Mental illness should not be a fetish and if you disagree you were probably a /meat/poster.

>>54621767
Hey, she's very mild in all aspects which makes her a safe choice for most people. But yeah she'll definitely not be /here/'s favorite

>>54629269
This is the next stage of the miko poster ?

>>54639076
Anon the point is that debuts mean fucking nothing. Did you forget how much everyone was creaming themselves over Laplus's debut? And then she turned out to be nothing. There's a trillion examples of this. The fact there's still drama about debuts of all things means we're still completely infested with constant waves of newfags.

>>54638891
>debuts mean jack shit
Ame's debut was creative. Was it also bad? Maybe, but it had something different and creative.
>neck yourself
I'll keep on living to spite (You)

>>54639283
Stop revising history anon, everyone hated Ame's debut (despite there being people who did like it, exceptions are always there) and were doomposting endlessly about her being what everyone feared, only for everyone to do a complete 180 like a week later. The exact same thing is happening now, except we now have an entire goddamn board to seethe about it. I'm not saying vt will suddenly start loving her especially with the hivemind mentality the catalog has, but to even pretend her debut was anywhere close to being one of the worst of all time or something is just straight up bullshit.

>>54639114
I just expected a deeper voice to fit the model, desu

>>54639224
I know what the point is you idiot. I'm arguing the other side. See laplus is a good example of a good debut and uselessness afterwards giving a point to debuts that mean nothing. She is nothing like her debut anymore. Ame is the example because her creativity is still present 3 years after debut stream. Showing that debut has some importance to show trait the streamer has.

>>54636216
God I wish I was hot as Fauna, and getting dicked down by a man as built as her husband.

>>54636990
Mumei and Fauna didn't say that they will continue in Hololive and you need to respect it on their debut

>>54639487
Myth had a different drama. 80% of it was because they were English and not JP. Males, sex Collab, same shit now. There's a damn reason vt exist.

>>54627274
i agree with you, but she didn't even have to wait. she just had to do what that last wave of ID did. state, clearly, she will collab with men and outsiders. unicorns filtered, nobody else is disrespected or put off by how defensive the route she went is. it really is that simple to mitigate.

>>54629602
because even though her situation is well known, she doesn't make her stream about it.

>>54639607
Laplus would have done well if she didn't show her hate for her fans. Regardless, she's too much of a normie for me to ever have gotten interested in

>>54621767
>kronii senpai, i'm so nervous about this debut, can you look over my plans?
> sure sure, oh, you should really talk to them about collabs at the end. be firm.

>>54639537
2 months and it will be deeper.

>>54629216
Jesus.

>>54639886
can you elaborate on what you mean? this isn't a gotcha setup, i find her intolerable and even if i didn't i don't watch chicks that paywall panhandle on the side while being a vtuber. i just want to be informed.

>>54640002
>mori senpai, i'm so nervous about this debut, can you look over my plans?

fixed

Seriously, what kind of ridiculous cope is
>I'm glad my 2views got rejected from hololive, it means they got snatched up by a small corpo instead of being given the biggest stage possible, they clearly deserve better and I'm happy that the opportunity went to someone else who I don't think deserves it
No. Fuck off. If there was anyone who deserved the spot more, they would have fucking gotten it. Everyone fucking wanted to be where EN3 are right now. Fucking everyone. And they don't fucking have it, because they DO NOT DESERVE IT.

The terrible nasal voice and being an entertainment black hole is the main reason, very jarring for the model.

>>54637344
I thought people /here/ said that moe was the Raven girl and not the crazy one. Am I retarded?

>>54640725
Shiori had more personality than Bijou, so pretty much the only point you have is the voice. Which isn't even bad, compared to everyone in Myth

>>54640002
Kek

>>54640633
Her voice doesn't fit. Her content is boring. Her acting is cringe. She wants to continue collabing with her boytoy clique instead of trying to fit in with Hololive. This is just Mori but worse and with none of the redeeming qualities. What 2views? A random sex voice woman from the street would be a better choice and I say that as someone who fucking hates the dommy mommy type.

>>54640837
>Shiori had more personality than Bijou
delusional

>>54641134
if the metric is "how much are people talking about her" then technically that anon is right.
>everyone loved bijou and she internalized promptly as a good fit. not much to talk about outside a handful of threads and her general.
>everyone is disappointed in shiori and additionally a vocal subset are mad she used her debut to lecture people about behavior. /vt/ loses its mind.
so.. she did have more personality! it just sure as shit wasn't charisma.

>>54641059
Well, you're wrong on pretty much all counts, and I'm glad you're seething on /vt/ instead of in any position to decide these things. Your opinion is trash and will be disposed of promptly.

>>54638838
The thing with Nene is that (a) she's actually good and (b) there weren't as many companies when she debuted as right now

>>54641134
Bijou doesn't have any personality to speak of. She's just a retarded zoomer baiting the Chumkeks, badly.

>>54641412
lmao cope harder

>>54640837
Shit-ori does not have personality. Unless you value haughty girls that come into the scene expecting everything while not selling anything during appeal time and has the audacity to outline expectations for her viewers with no cause to.
I could tell Bijou was trying to be cute but it was effective. The presentation had effort put in and even had an animated scene

>>54641464
baiting.. by actually being funny? by playing shit people actually want to watch? if your definition of bait is "she looks and sounds young" then you don't have much of an argument to hinge on your misplaced anger.

Does anyone know the past account of EN3?

>>54641412
k, penny

>>54641412
yes.. he's completely wrong. evidently alongside much of the rest of /vt/ given how many topics are hitting post limit tonight sharing his perspective. which aren't being made about bijou, because she's a good fit and well liked.
you are delusional and openly mad about it. humiliating.

>>54641464
Both statements aren't mutually exclusive. Bijou has no personality beyond pretending to be funny AND ALSO she somehow has more personality than Shiori.

>>54641412
With everything coming out with evidence to back it, you're the one that sounds wrong on all counts

>>54641412
Based
Hope she sees this

>>54641556
Yes

>>54638838
And Nene is a real damn idol.

>Watch debut on my own
>Think it's whatever
>Come back to vt
>A trillion fucking threads bitching about a throwaway line
This board is a fucking joke

>>54621767
Personally, I don't get the hate.

>>54641412
Look, I'm wishing her all the best, and that she proves everyone wrong by being an entertaining vtuber with zero controversy. Still, the debut was a massive red flag, AND fell flat when compared to very good Bijou debut that followed right after. It's only up to her now to go up from now on.

>>54641871
There's literally nothing else there to even talk about. It was the most nothing debut of all time. I finished it knowing virtually nothing about this woman. She could be replaced with any cunt off the street with a passing interest in nerd shit and be 95% the same.

>>54642030
listen here steakhead, we don't do these temperate rational takes in this hallowed place, you need to be angrier or you need to get out

>>54641464
she has a lot more personality than yours, which is 'seethe about chumkeks'

>>54641871
First time? There are valid criticisms mixed in all the seething hate. There is also even past life knowledge so there is more information than what that shit debut revealed.
You sound like a tourist

>>54625982
Anon... This isn't what you think it is.

>>54634747
Just like the vast majority of fans love Tempus and coed collabs right?

>>54622904
That's you deluding yourself that she's a menhara psycho before debut. kek

>>54642325
>First time?
No, I'm well aware this board makes a big deal out of debuts even when historically they never truly mean anything yet they keep shitting up the place acting like they do. That it happens every single time doesn't change the fact this board is a fucking joke.

>>54642030
We have evidence in the past gens: she will go the way Mori, Ame, Bae and Kronii: Initial high viewership and engagement followed by a slow drain to irrelevancy (by holo standards) while their genmates take off.
And remember: every gen is getting lower subs and viewerships than their predecessors. None in council has 1M subs yet. Fauna, IRyS and Mumei struggle to reach Gura and Ina's numbers. Shiori just set all of her gen back by being this huge of a letdown. The competition how if fiercer than ever: there are many new corpos and fans are starting to have the power to pick and choose more carefully. Rising corpos like Phase and Idol are around now, they might seem small but in aggregate they're making the pond smaller and smaller for EN3.

>>54642574
The only thing you read was, "First time?" in that sentence. You are the fucking joke

>>54625982
There are no vshoujo auditions. Only nepo hires.

>>54642679
>anons defending the current state of the board
grim. no place needs 40 threads bitching about the literal exact same thing.

>>54621767
She lost me when she talked about all her different real voices and they all sounded the same. And it’s not even a good voice/fit for the model

I just hate the fan name. "Novelites" is so fucking bad.

>>54642775
oh my god thank you
It was just the same voice with very slightly different tone. Cover is usually so much better at matching voice to model.

>>54642772
Maybe not but I hope someone in HL sees what’s going on here. Laughing just thinking about it

>>54642777
yeah if she wants to be a real goth gf, our fan name should by daddies

>>54642777
Cuckelites sounds better and is more accurate.

m-maybe she'll be interesting during collabs

>>54621767
>skyhigh expectations
>schizo projected like everything onto her
>she is actually just a fun /lit/tuber who loves gothic things

Reminds me of Aya from niji.

>>54641871
/vtg/ when?

>>54642777
It's tentative. Go x her some better names.

>>54642583
There will be at least one person having problems overtaking SANA's current subs, and it might be Shiori. My predictions before today was
FuMo> Shiori > Nerissa = Bijou
but after seeing 2 debuts it's more like
Bijou > FuMo > Nerissa > Shiori
Let's see if it changes much tomorrow.

>>54641464
She has personality anon, just not the one you prefer. Sad to be (You)

>>54642978
I was hoping for "Pupils" to go with her eye motif

>>54642772
I see you failed reading and comprehension. You're making mental gymnastics to what my argument is

>>54642966
>fun
lol
>Reminds me of Aya
Yeah, she'll be getting similar views too

>>54642991
Retard. Shiori is gonna ride the debut hype train way past Sana. She got the meme boost like Gura did. Now, Gura's content let her maintain the momentum, but Shiori doesn't need to maintain. It's gonna be enough on its own to put her either in first or second place of her gen, no matter the performance. What's going to be interesting is watching CCV and seeing how many of those subs are normalfag Twittard dead subs that don't watch streams.

>>54621767
/vt/ just gaslit you into believing she's menhara and you're an idiot for falling for it.

>>54643090
>She got the meme boost like Gura did
You're saying Shiori had an "A" moment? If anything the only "meme" we've seen today is the vine boom.

>>54643090
Shiori did memes? All she talked about was husbandos.

>>54643193
>>54643244
A pre-debut meme boost, you dense niggers. The goth mommy horny shit. Does it matter that she's not like that? Not to dumbfuck Twitterniggers for the first month, at least.

>>54642966
>/lit/tuber

https://files.catbox.moe/q6vpa8.webm
check THIS out

>>54637633
here's difference
>btw I'm going to collab with dudes and outsiders
And
>Fuck you guys, don't even think about making trouble about my collab partners, they are all my friends or people I'm befriending which are more valuable than you by default

>>54643407
not even her edgy jokes are funny

>>54643407
wtf i love her now

>>54643090
>It's gonna be enough on its own to put her either in first or second place of her gen, no matter the performance.
You stupid cunt. Bijou was the bottom of the pack before her debut. Shiori was one of the highest by far. Take a look at their subs now after Shiori's disastrous debut and Bijou's amazing debut. They're both on 230k. Bijou was almost 20k subs behind and she's already caught up and WILL surpass Shiori in no time.

How were you guys disappointed if you already knew who she was?

>>54643755
I'll be goddamned. I kneel. I am, in fact, the stupid cunt in this case.

>>54643806
We didn't know who she was until she spoke. Funnily enough, I thought there was a high chance that SHE was going to be Bijou.

Even ignoring the collab thing, the biggest problem with her right now is lack of character consistency. Goth girl design but without the voice to match it. And she is into books, traveling, and other stuff that matches some normie girl more than a goth. But her mascots are cat yakuza for whatever reason. Was there even any mention of that black blob thing that looked like it was supposed to be her mascot? Like, what angle am I supposed to approach her from now?

>>54643806
The “Hololive could change her” cope. Such a shame it didn’t

>>54643622
She will get terminated if she makes these kinds of comments now. You'll lose no matter what

>>54643919
It's not cope if it's an established possibility. See: Gura. It just... didn't fucking happen.

>>54628888
>Edit already made even though males are currently only theoretical
fuck it add it to the collage this is too hilarious

>>54643904
>Was there even any mention of that black blob thing that looked like it was supposed to be her mascot?
yeah, she said its called yorick i think but i wasnt paying attention as to what the deal was with it because i was already so bored with her

Nah she kept it vague as if she knew that was gonna cause issues, making it worse in the end

If you want to collab with homos. Say I'm gonna collab with homos, thats what people were asking. Not whatever world salad bullshit she spewed out. There's no way she didn't plan her debut, she hesitated what she really wanted to say due to nerves and flubbed it out.

>>54644043
I completely missed that then, I must have been checked out at that point.

>>54628888
How do you get bold red text face distorted in your fucking DEBUT stream?
How do you fuck up this badly?

Dude I don't understand women. All this time I've never really respected someone like Gura but apparently women cannot bare the thought of not mentioning males or collabing with them even when it's free money and removes all hassle from their career. Sounds so simple but to my surprise barely any of these thots can fucking do it.

>>54625872
That's what being superior is sister. You can't even deny it.

>>54625982
ofc she isnt friends with nyanners

>>54642966
Why do people keep bringing up her liking literature as this huge positive?
Permission autism is going to get in the way a lot and it‘s just not that big of an advantage for a livestreamer.

>>54628685
good job his milk is pasteurised

I wish we got Henya instead....

She's stepping on your balls and YOU are enjoying it.

>>54641925
You are on /vt/

>>54621767
Better than the rock, more subs too.

>>54622273
>>54623095
>>54625754
>>54642548
By her fucking model retard
Nobody said she should have been a crazy choking sex addict just that she should at least somewhat fit her fucking design
Why would you give somebody a crazy eyes pyscho girl character if shes gonna be completely milk toast

>>54645018
Nobody cares retard

>>54645018
Apparently, you're not allowed to point that out. Apparently, you're not allowed to have any expectations. You want a loli that actually sounds like a loli? You want a sexy goth that actually sounds like a sexy goth? How fucking entitled of you!
This is why Nijiniggers had to settle for that wigger Kyo taking up their shota spot.

The voice absolutely should match the model. I'm tired of these fucking mismatched models with voices that sound nothing like how they look.

>>54645188
Meanwhile, Bijou: looks loli, sounds loli, has fun zoomer humor. Absolutely matches.

>>54645236
Yeah she's fucking based. 10/10 hire and matches her model perfectly.

>>54645236
Maybe this was the plan all along
Show off shiori at the start to lower everyones expectations so the others shine even more cause they actually put some effort into it

Moe matched her model.
That's the sad thing about all of this. Moe fit the model perfectly...

This girl doesn’t match her avatar at all. What a waste of a perfect design. As expected from the EN branch. Twins are the last hope

>>54628256
>still more subs than bijou
Not anymore

>>54645357
She should have been a wizard character instead of goth gf, you could keep some goth/deranged girl elements but focus on wizard.
>(magic) books
>collects knowledge, gets locked up when she learns too much
>performs experiments (her microscope plans and all), can make the chat her Test Subjects
>some sort of cat familiar makes sense
>can have full goth outfit later as her casual clothes if she wants

>>54645945
OH NO NO NO NO NOVELIGGERS??

>>54629656
Retard.
The only issue with collabs is with males.
All holos Collab at least with other girls so collabing is a given.
If you talk about collabing with who you want. It's a kronii situation.
There is no need for preparation and defensive measures for say collabing with fauna or some harmless indie girl for example.
Of course she means males. Do more rm reps

>>54645945
it's so fucking over

>>54629103
>Lockheart
Ewwwwwww

>>54628992
It's okay fauna your position as en mommy is still secure now

>>54640633
Just for your information, lots of indies lost interest in joining HoloEN (and corpos in general) after the first year of Myth.

>>54621767
who's the artist of the image? the artstyle looks nice. whats the @

>>54644552
Hololive would probably be too stressful for the kettle.

>>54629216
jannies are now literally banning non-dox PL info, sad

>>54629656
Because this board is inhabited my socially inept terminally online lonely losers who need to stop coping and start roping.