/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>5438195
ok wumao

Eat shit and die.

>>5438195
in case you haven't noticed yet, cover isn't exactly the most competent company

>>5438195
>people

>>5438195
>people

了猫

>>5438195
bugs is not people btw

>Cover
>Being competent
>Making the right decisions
As soon as NijiEN debuted, I jumped the train.
The sheer level of incompetence of Cover is incomprehensible.
For me Gura's shit tier rigging was a last straw. How did they manage to fuck up her model so bad is beyond me.
But of course holobronies will continue to defend Cover, so nothing is going to change.

>>5438195
>people

>>5438195
I agree. Not to mention that Artia was their best talent.
They should have instead get away from the degenerate West and American-esque like Coco.
Then we would not have Vshojo collabs now either.
This is truly the worst timeline.

>>5438195
Fuck China
Still miss Artia tho

>>5438900
You can shit at cover and chinks simultaneously

>>5438900
I stopped defending them when they allowed Nyanshit, a literal child rape trivializer, to collab with one of their talents.
Whores are one thing, but this is just fucked up.

>>5438900
poo poo pee pee, braappp, pp, deez nuts. Kek

>>5438195
chinks are great for many things actually
Sword testers is one of those

The antis were going to be assholes even if cover got rid of both girls. You don't negotiate with these people.

>>5438195
Cover should open HoloTW.

Yeah, business with Chinese was worst decision Cover made.

>>5439274
Nijisanji is able to work with retarded bugs just fine. Stop defending Cover you faggot. They could have handled the situation differently, but instead they showed their incompetence yet again.

>CN
>profitable
So many newfags on this board. Cover was considering to pull the plug of this branch for a long time and the whole Taiwan yab gave her a valid excuse to finally come around to it.
Today I'll remind you

>海外事業についてはまだまだ採算が取れる状況ではありませんが、日本で生まれたVTuberの文化を世界に広げるという想いのもと、運営体制の強化を進めています。
>Although our overseas business is not yet profitable, we are strengthening our management system with the aim of spreading the culture of VTuber born in Japan to the world.


https://note.com/tanigo/n/n8dc4df1f6001
Blogpost by Yagoo dating 11/16/2020 (right after they formally announced axing of HoloCN)

>Artia talking about HoloCN not making much money
https://files.catbox.moe/qsu3wf.mp4
This was the same stream where she announced her graduation with the alleged narrative that is Cover allowing them to keep their avatars.

>>5439361
ogey namefaggot

>>5439465
Mah, I accidentally clicked there.
Now, do you have any actual arguments? Probably not.

Cover is shit and people who defend Cover are complete faggots.

>>5439573
Yes, Cover is retarded. Almost everyone here agree.
But chinks are worse and pulling from that shithole was one of good cover decisions.

>>5439361

>>5439573
Cope

>>5438195
Whatever floats your boat, Zhang. They were at a loss with chinks but anyway, let's imagine a scenario where Cover would fully kneel to China right there during the Taiwan incident. First of all, they would need to fire Coco on sight. Even with the inicial bootlicking that happened (before the EOP backlash hit them), it didn't work at all and Zhangs wanted nothing less than Coco's head. Now imagine if they went ahead with it and fired Coco, with the shitstorm of EOPs being clearly against Cover's bootlicking at the time. Imagine what would have happened to HoloEN and Hololive's massive growth during the pandemics. Maybe, just maybe, we would not have all the bunch of newfags ruining the chat, /vt/ wouldn't exist and who knows, hololive would revert to how they were before the cof.
You can argue that they handled Coco's situation on the worst way possible and before you call me a corporate cock sucker, I already jumped ship. But tell me how axing holoCN was a bad decision when it was actually one of the few good decisions they ever made.

>>5438195
those are not people.

>>5439618
>chinks are worse
And yet Cover went into the Chinese market.
Bugs are subhuman trash, that is why Cover should have handled the situation differently. Chinks are a fucking plague, and yet Cover seemed not to know with whom they were dealing with.
Again, ask your self, why does Nijisanji can work with bugs just fine. If you are not a retarded holobronie you would know that Cover fucked up big time and will suffer for a long time because of it.

>>5439637
>>5439655
>Cover is shit
>Therefore chink
You people are pathetic

>>5440004
>Nijisanji can work with bugs just fine
You really need to ask? they can work just fine because chinks are balls deep with anycolor you retard.

>>5438195
They're getting China back though

>>5438195
Ok Ahmed

>>5440100
Alright and so what?

Once Fatqua and Haato retire China market is back

>>5439027
what a psychotic post. salty coins and milk is from r9k protoincels asking each other what vagina tasted like

>>5440165
See this why its useless to argue with chink cocksucker.

>>5438195
There is no market of 1.4 billion people in China.
The vast majority live in extreme poverty and I don't mean the meme one that western media dabs on, I mean the one China claims to have "solved" but where you can see half of their ruals feeding rats to their little girls so they get some form of meat in their diet.
Bilibili has 170million users according to their own fake stats and the vast majority of those are "free shit", not people who actually have money to throw away.
Bilibili who incidentally tried demanding control over Cover's activities like the fucking opportunists they are.
Add on-top that China requires 6+ months to move any money at all out of their economy, most of which you aren't allowed to move at all, and requires chinese co-ownership if they want to expand operations there and you can see why it's a terrible deal.
We already know this since Cover admitted all of their revenue from China, merchandising included, amounted to no more than 7% of their income despite all their massive bili pandering.

You might as well say the same about Africa while you're at it.

>>5440317
Again, holobronies are fucking pathetic. They will defend Cover no matter what.

>>5440398
Ogey

>>5439448
Newfags weren't here during the time when zhang shills were bragging about their "massive revenue" and everyone else were laughing at them after the numbers came out.

>>5439573
here's a counter argument: HoloEN made 4 times as much money in superchats in the first month than Cover did from Billibilli over all time, JP and CN combined.

CN wasn't profitable, it was a White Elephant. and even if we assume it wasn't, its profits were so negligible that keeping it wouldn't have been worth the effort.

>>5440187
nope that is not the true origin

>>5438195
We don't need you West Taiwanese here. Go back to your hell hole and off yourself.

>>5438195
I hate how Cover is managing things rn. But I hate chinks even more. Fuck her, hope she gets beat down on the streets.

>>5438195
Chinks aren't human retardchama

>>5439448
>>5441277
Simp money is a very small part of the profit considering 30% goes to youtube and another percentage to the talents themselves. Cover lost millions they could've made in merch and lost sponsorships with Chinese games.

>>5438195
chang lang jang dang wang
holoCNs are fucking boring, zhang

>>5442684
You can't make money off of merch in China Retardchama. They'll just copy and mass produce it on their sweatshops.

>>5442922
yeah genshin totally isn't selling a ton of merch in china. it's all just fake copies.
you are a fucking retard.

>>5442684
Too bad they choose some ungratefull bitch that shit on them as she btfo just cause she cant be as entertaining without her peepeepoo jokes

>>5443223
nice try zhang

>>5438195
With Chink You Sink

>>5443223
Too bad you’re a zhang

China was a failure because they only managed to get the schizo market. All it took was some rrats like “coco did it on purpose to provoke us” and “Holo doesn’t care about us anymore” to drive them into a frenzy.
Holoen is a success because it captured the eop normie market. No matter how much vt tries the most they can do is barely dislike a video over a thousand times.

>>5438195

>>5438195
I dont care

>>5443149
Genshin IS from China retardchama do your reps. They copy what they don’t own because that’s all they can do

>>5439361
If Yagoo woke up tomorrow with Nijisanji's money and audience numbers, he'd swan dive off of Tokyo Tower.

>>5443149
Mihoyo is chinese

>>5443508
>No matter how much vt tries the most they can do is barely dislike a video over a thousand times.
Most of the holoniggers on /vt/ are normalfags from reddit. You may deny this fact, but this will not change anything. Just look at /hlgg/, it's a fucking glorified twitch chat.

Hololive english made more money in a month than hololive china, or being in the chinese market, in its entire lifetime.

>>5438195
>lost her job and career just to earn 50 cents

>>5443508
>1.4b bugs
>lost the “market”
>Most they can do is 4k dislikes
>Non schizo zhangs breaking bug law with vpns just to watch idol vtubers

>>5438195
agreed, they were going to fire Coco anyway, and only delayed it to look good. If they had removed her immediately and kept holoCN, Cover would have grown tremendously by now with all that China money and sponsors

>>5443869

>>5438195
>people

>>5443822
Their fans literally harass the shit out of every Chinese company that wants to work with them.

>>5438195
Except zhangs are still risking social credit by using VPNs to watch the chuubas that offended them.

>NO WESTENER WILL USE A VPN TO WATCH CHINESE CONTENT.
>Zhangs are a race of cucks

>>5443604
>>5443685
>You can't make money off of merch in China Retardchama. They'll just copy and mass produce it on their sweatshops.
???

>>5444203
you don't need a VPN to watch chinese content though
and a bunch of westerners watch chinese content
what the fuck are you on about, truly

>>5443869
The CN branch was around for a year before the t word meltdown, I'm sure the sponsorships and influx of paypigs were right around the corner

>>5444257
>Westeners watch chinese content
Ogey

>>5444257
True.
the next door pirated porn bunch have some Chinese watermarks all over their torrent BR/DVD

>>5444261
Azurlane s2 with marine 5 star and rerun banners was extremely likely.
Genshin was sponsored streams were also a given. In fact genshin sponsored Gigguks video on vtubers ( which was later retracted)

>>5444358
All of the big Chinese dramas and Animes have English Subbers my dude…

>>5444261
The sponsor and revenue for CN branch is ironically shit, but the money are for the main branch beause zhangs loves fbk, matuli, suisui, and aqua to death. Nonetheless its still a very volatile market so its still a good decision to gtfo from there

>Implying Coco being kicked out is a bad thing

No more Reddit.
Wow, such a tragedy.
Hopefully that will keep the other EN members in check. But again, they are doing collabs with fucking Nyanners.

>>5444527
it's either the works of the HK'ers, Taiwanese, Philippines or the Singaporean.

>>5444358
Did I say something funny?
>>5444639
Not really, no. The more popular works are by Haoliners, which is based in Shanghai.
Most dramas are also made in China, by Chinese staff.

>>5438195
>It made them lose a market of over 1.4 billion people
140 million people. The rest are Han.

China's human population is about on par with Japan.

>>5444843
>Not really, no. The more popular works are by Haoliners, which is based in Shanghai.
Most dramas are also made in China, by Chinese staff.
The subbing.
the official releases that not bought by any foreign media company is either "smuggled" aka Pirated.

>>5445282
Ii was not aware that Netflix smuggled chinese works to use on their platform, anon.

>>5445672
>Ii was not aware that Netflix smuggled chinese works to use on their platform, anon.
V
>the official releases that not bought by any foreign media company is either "smuggled" aka Pirated.
yes there's plenty of them before Netflix exists.
I believe that's why the world have the massive Yellow fever during the whole streaming services boom.
the glory days of giving the finger to the copyright trolls.

>>5442684
That's incredibly hypothetically though anon. The CN branch, and cover as a whole, had existed in the market for a full year with little success.

Yagoo himself had said in interviews that CN wasn't making any money, and they didn't look like they were going to get any sponsorships, the CN branch didn't just have low super chat numbers, but it also had very weak subscriber and viewer numbers (fucking HoloID Reine has better analytics than them)

Ok but fine, lets assume your perfect scenario happens. Cover boots Coco and wholesale kowtows to glorious 中国。CN magically stops underperforming and gets numbers that are (at least) comparable to HoloID's, and all the EOPS that were introduced Hololive by Coco are just kind of ok with cover openly throwing her under the bus. HoloEN goes off without a hitch and we are where we are minus one Kiryu Coco and plus one HoloCN and friendship restored with 习大大。How much more does cover actually make? I mean covers getting sponsorships anyway. Shadowverse, Bookwalker, Blizzard and fucking Microsoft are courting Hololive. Cover is getting all the things they would have gotten anyway, if not more. Your perfect near impossibly scenario is just a shite version of what we actually got.

>>5446439
That anon is referring to sponsor and other biz for the main branch, shit like Genchick, Azur lane mk.2, Arknight and concert in bilibili world and such. those were lost when cover decided to gtfo rather than kowtow to bilibili attempt to make them hand over the share to them. Lets not pretend its not profitable market because it is, we just agree that its just now worth it anymore.

>>5446439
>well the Kpop fags rake tons of cash dealing with them though.
>tons of the flesh bag celebs from Japan also have tons of paycheck doing their gigs there.
>Japan Anime cultures flourishes as one of the highest entertainment imported.
>The porn....it's HUGE profits "illegally"
>Vtuber perhaps just need to get another 1 or 2 years to actually explode spectacularly.

>5441277
from playboard stats all EN members combined have made around $2,823million

>>5441277
from playboard stats all EN members combined have made around $2,823million

>>5438195
China is not a market, it's a trap. Every company that goes there learns that sooner or later. There is no sack of gold under the rainbow, only a gremlin with a wrench he'll use to break your knees and take your stuff.

>>5448065
> Every company that goes there learns that sooner or later.
I see..Musk is really a gullible idiots after all.

>>5448147
Yes, he got his ass handed to him recently. Like the rest, he thought he was "special" and had figured something out that the others hadn't because the government was still in the buttering him up with bait phase of the scam.

>>5448371
>he got his ass handed to him recently
Wait, what?

>>5440375
It's always funny watching angloids talk about shit they know nothing about

>>5448065
When you deal with chinks, you will sink. Everything that pol complains about the Jews being backstabbing manipulators, are true when it comes to zhangs.

>>5449237
I see buyers regrets rant.
on /pol/

>>5449443
>>buyer's regret rant
>>>>/pol/
FTFY, unenlightenedchama.

>>5438195
Ogey Zhang, now go back to eating your stir fried Cockroaches and then go shit in your NGA board.

>>5449142
滚,你是个智障华侨.
吃你的药.

>yo wats chinese monie advortize r sheit mobile gaymz white cat grill
>fubuki: Oooook xi jinping best friend

Fags in this thread that talk monetization/sponsorship as a sole decision maker for these girls don't deserve vtubers or a real girlfriend for that matter. I will call you a chang shill if i see this retarded talk all day everyday.

>>5438195
>people

>>5451173
ogey chang

>>5438195
They made back what they "lost" from stingy chinese viewers tenfold with the english branch. Chinese viewers don't mean shit to big vtuber companies with a foothold in the west.

>>5438195
This thread is probably terrible so I'm just stopping by to say TIA LOVE

>>5438195
The Chinese “market”* is not worthy of Cover. The changes necessary to appeal to those beastial creatures would turn Cover’s content to unwatchable trash.

*A bunch of garbage eating subhumans that aren’t evolved enough to appreciate storytelling or humor and can only be appealed to with shiny things and explosions

>>5438195
>people

>>5451892
>Chinese viewers don't mean shit to big vtuber companies with a foothold in the west.
I'm still praying that one of the Hologamers had full sponsorships from Exxon Mobile

>>5438195
A market of over 1.4 billion is the new "pirated games are missed sales". It's a worthless market because it always tries to subvert your company.

>>5443223
>banned Winnie the Pooh
>got assblasted by one word for 9 months
Come back when you have some balls aka it means to never come back here since it is impossible.

>>5439448
if you want to say CN didn't make enough money to stay in hololive then any holo who made less than Subaru last year should be fired, because Echo and Subaru made about the same in revenue.

>>5438195
people?

>>5438195
Unavoidable. West Taiwan and the World have conflicting politics, ideology and agenda.

>>5444442
>Azurlane
Oh no, if only Japan had it's own mobgarbage with boat grills.

>>5444442
>>5459650
Also, boats are old news. Horse gacha is the new hotness for companies to shill their shit on.

>>5438195
>chinese
>people
You only get to choose one OP.

>>5459903
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SdTGYyeb1k

>>5440187
is this what meds does to your brain?
who made this history up to you? Was it the meds talking? Are they in the room right now?

>ITT: chinigger defense farce being inssufferable as usual

>>5438195
Stop making these threads you subhuman piece of shit

>being a chinaman

>>5438195
>people

>>5438195
1. HoloEN made more money in like a month than HoloCN made in its entire run
2. Mainland Chinese ruin literally everything, from RL down to YouTube and this will never change

We are ALL better off not having anything to do with China and the faster we can disconnect our entertainment and economy from them the better off the rest of the world will be.

>>5467742
comparing EN with CN its like comparing apples and oranges, have a fairer comparison please ya fuck, try ID, its as huge as CN with 6 idols now but did they stonks more?

>>5438900
why do you pretend to care about gura or her rigging when you jumped away at the first chance? bad larp.

>>5438195
>people

>>5438195
Insects are not people.

>>5438195
No, killing China relationships THEN killing Coco is the dumbest fucking thing Cover has ever done. They fucked over a huge business partnership, all for nothing.

>>5468497
The circumstances and timing make a difference, it certainly wasn't for nothing when cutting coco at that time could have endangered both a budding EN branch and, even worse, their home jp market. Japanese don't like kowtowers to China any more than EOP's.

>>5441277
Why does America simp so hard? I get they have the propensity to have more money than most other countries but god.

>>5468497
Makes me wonder if Cover is cursing themselves after looking at the huge positive reaction Coco's last month has had. Letting their golden goose go away because they were more concerned about sponsorships and a clean image instead of giving their talents the freedom that increased Hololive's popularity will hurt them in the long run, but at least she's leaving on good terms. In the end, that's the best case scenario when we're talking about a graduation.