/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

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Long running poal that's been going on with advice.

Listen to literally 0 of what this board says.

stay away from drama and have fun!

just give what viewers want without your ego getting in the way.

>>54317964
Reassure people you're going to stream earlier than your debut times, or just go ahead and speak JP all the time to build a bigger audience.

>>54318134
Unironically this. You're playing an anime girl, just have fun with it and try to not get oneguy'd to oblivion.

>>54317964
Ditch your old mods.

>What advice would you give EN 3?
Get off /vt/.

>>54318108
spbp

>>54318282
This too. Unless you've groomed them, twitch mods have VERY different mindset that sometimes clashes with Youtube.

>>54318399
>>54318282
Or, if you want, don't make them mods from the get go, but try to remember how you originally chose your mods and see if they'ree still like that.

>>54318282
>>54318399
Out of curiosity, do people tend to follow their Vtubers when they reincarnate? How does that work? Do the fans make new accounts? Like are there any fans of Holo PLs that are still big fans of current Holos? Do the Holos acknowledge them or ignore them?

- Pander to unicorns
- Let the menhera part of you take over
- Do GFE and ASMR
- Don't EVER interact with males besides chat
- Don't talk about sex

>>54318651
/thread

>>54317964

Getting this out of the way, common stuffs really for overall -
>don't be a patronizing/condescending shit to your fans. This should be on a post-it note on every streamer's monitor at all times. They are not captive to you and will slowly fuck off over time if they feel unwelcome.
>no mention of homos at all, it is toxic both for new fans who didn't wanna hear it and enables homobeggars to become entitled demanding collabs for months and seething when being told to shut up. just talking about them literally will automatically generate antis from either side of the fence.

For like, debut?
>don't mention fleshtuber ecelebs. don't mention vtubers outside holo.
>Try to show real taste / distinction in music/movies/games/anime etc. Don't copypaste the MAL top 10 or cherrypick from the top 20 etc.

>FPS games suck to watch unless you're eSports comp good, which you probably are not. Minimize mention of apex/valo or leave them out.

>geeking out over stuff the fans know nothing about or don't wanna hear about (fujo stuff like otoke games, utas/male vtubers/streamers etc) is not interesting

>your personality is what sells you, as well as your cuteness. being cute and pleasant (think Nene) can do a lot to make up for boring generic tastes/likes. if you are gruff or boring, deadpan, dead fish etc you might not be liked much even if you have excellent tastes/skills.

>>54317964
Listen to your managers and girls at Hololive except for Mori, Amelia, Kronii, and Bae, don't interactwith males outside of basic fanbase, try not to put spotlight on any males online or otherwise (family is okay), and stay away from Niji and Vshitshow and/or anything related to them.

>>54317964
Narissa please accept the nickmae Raven
Shiori please accept the nickname Shio

That way it's easier to tell which name belongs to who.

>>54318993
so follow the shark's way pretty much

>Stream often
You are effectively winning the lottery by getting into Hololive. You can at least stream 20 hours a week for the literal millions of dollars you will be likely making throughout your career. The people supporting you work much worse hours for significantly less money. Show them respect by giving them the content they crave.

>IF you are gonna collab with males, let people know early
I'm no unicorn; I don't give a fuck who you stream with as long as everyone is having fun. However, you will save yourself a lot of dumb drama by gatekeeping unicorns out of your fanbase if you know you are gonna do stuff they won't enjoy. Like the unicorns of legend, they will stab you if they catch a hint of you being with a man. If that sounds like a bad time for you, then plan ahead and don't invite them in. Just be smart about it.

>Do not do your unarchived streams or off-collabs without prior notice
This is rude to your fanbase. People have lives outside of you and cannot watch your twitter 24/7 to catch notifications. Let people know ahead of time so they can actually catch the content they want to watch. Even just a four or five hour notice goes a long way.

>Don't shit on your fanbase
You don't have to agree with everything people say about your content. That's normal. But state your opinion in a sensible manner without hostility. In fact, if it's an announcement/discussion stream, run your statement through ChatGPT beforehand and ask it if the statement could come across as hostile. If an AI can figure it out, you are probably messing up your phrasing somewhere. Even when you are right, you do not want to sound entitled. If you harsh the vibe, even the ones that agree with you will find someone nicer to support.
That said, do NOT be a doormat and let some vocal fans have their way when you want something and they don't or vice versa. That's how you burnout. Your content needs to be something you are happy with or you will quickly end up hating your job. Have your way, but be polite about it. Even if some people decide not to support you anymore, you simply need to accept that no content, not even yours, is for everyone. And that's okay.

>Do not give antis attention
As long as you aren't an asshole, most people will reciprocate that kindness back towards you. The ones that don't aren't worth your time. So don't stress about antis, and absolutely DO NOT engage with them. They look crazy to everyone else anyway. I know it's hard to ignore people talking shit, but remember: You are on your way to becoming a millionaire, and they are stuck crying about it on the internet. You already won by default. But if you take the bait, they are just gonna keep on fishing. They want to get under your skin. The more you engage, the more it empowers the trolls and turns off the rest of your fanbase.

>Don't ghost your fanbase if you can help it
Even if you are taking a break, it's nice to at least hear you are doing okay on twitter or community posts. I'm not asking for regular updates on the hour, but hearing something every day or two is good for engagement. Take a moment to let people know how some part of your day went. Obviously if you are in mourning over the loss of a loved one or something, your mental wellbeing comes first so forget all that and take all the time you need.

>If you have a boyfriend don't engage in GFE
Again, I'm not a unicorn; I personally don't care if you are in a relationship or not. However, by encouraging parasocial girlfriend-boyfriend relationships with the fanbase, you need to understand what you are doing. You are being a companion for lonely, often mentally unwell, men and in return you are collecting money for it. Don't betray that trust, sad as it is, by being in a real relationship. It makes you a genuinely awful human being. And don't expect to be the one that has a boyfriend and doesn't get caught either. They always get caught, and it always leads to hate and drama that could have been avoided.

>If you are playing a story-driven game, please pay attention to the story
This one is a pet peeve of mine, so your mileage may vary. While I understand that dead air is a Bad Thing for entertainers, it's also frustrating to watch people play a game and then talk through the cutscenes that explain the plot. Because not even two seconds later will they be confused about what's happening simply because they didn't pay any attention. I'm here to watch you, yes. But I'm also hoping to watch you enjoy the game.

>Never ever bring up politics or religion
This should be a no-brainer, but it deserves being said anyway. It doesn't matter what stance you take on the subject, you are going to piss people off. And all that drama could be avoided if you just didn't bring it up. Many people watch streamers to get away from the drama of the real world. Lecturing, or even pandering, to any political or religious base is going to filter people and generate antis. You don't need the trouble.

>>54318282
>>54318399
>>54318492
Look up Kronii if you want to see what happens when you use your old mods. Because they act as elevated chat members.
And they made it clear they didn't like 4chan because They started to shadowban /here/ Kronies, and even better. It was without Kronii's knowledge or approval because Kronii reversed all the bans when she found out.

And they didn't learn their lesson because they're still joke threaten to ban people in chat.

>>54317964
don't trust MORI
be smart.

>>54317964
Ignore faggots and just stream.

>>54319351
Shio rhymes with Oreo
Raven has a Raven

>>54317964

>>54320055
kronii really deserve the fans she has.
Guys come home to EN3

>>54319736
This.

>>54320128
THIS! THIS! THIS!

>>54317964
Please don't start and don't get into drama, that's the only thing I care about. Ignore trolls and don't let them ruin the mood for everyone.

>>54317964
misc opsec/yab stuff to be aware of
>stream on a completely new computer, only use it for streaming
>disable Quick Access in windows from showing recently used files aka pirated pr0n or anything that might at all be incriminating including benches
>delete ALL instances of autofill in username login things if you ever stream yourself typing into a browser. I had some old username with my actual name that is NOT saved in the 'saved logins' show up when typing in something and that would be a disastrous way to self doxx
>Don't get caught with activate windows watermark, learn to github MAS
>OBS capture, don't fuck up and have all out war discord things show up on screen, don't have alt tab show up which might have anything at all yab worthy that you forgot you only minimized before streaming, if you must browse /vt/ then do it in incognito mode so it won't get saved in your homepage for frequently visited pages like reimu/many others have showed.

>>54319736
wtf there are actual sensible and reasonable people on this board?

>>54318651
Anons on vt hate males so much that they literally bring them up when no one even mentioned them.

>>54320742
Believe it or don't, but not everyone here is an anti and actually want people to succeed.

if you need advice at this fucking point you are just not it

>>54318993
None of this is gonna happen.

>>54320868
Sometimes it's hard to believe. That's why I try to be nothing but positive here!

>>54317999
>"FUCKING STREAM" winning against "Dont Collab with males"
I guess the quality over quantity was just a cope, in the end we just need our daily fix of cute girls fucking streaming

Have gratitude for all the things that you now have because of the efforts of your senpai and the love of the fanbase, don't be a problem-causing menhera, ignore antis (meaning don't try to spite them), focus on your fans, never cater to any particular individuals (certain attention whore fans, ecelebs, etc) except for other hologirls.
You're idols now, and in an elevated position that commands respect. As long as you have a degree of maturity you should be fine.

Also try to manage stress and stay on top of your health and mental calmness. This is about the long game, many talents experience burnout and health problems, you don't want to run into those because you have an unsustainable stress level.
Otherwise yeah, male interaction is easily the most controversial and potentially destructive thing you can engage with as an idol since it will almost certainly make a subset of the fanbase upset. There's a reason why the top holos (Gura, Pekora, Marine, Miko, Subaru, etc) don't do it. But if you must, the sooner people know the less upset they'll be just out of nature of them being less invested in you. You really shouldn't be in Holo and be in Niji instead in that case, but I can't tell you what to do, only what to expect to avoid as many casualties as possible.

>>54320677
I think if they make a fresh windows user that has few programs, is not the main place they use the internet from and they only ever log onto for streaming out of (and don't share anything from their actual private windows user) .. they will avoid a lot of problems. Not everything, this would be a good time to double check for autofill, recently played/downloaded etc across users.

Also assume your browser, background, steam/discord etc might accidentally be revealed eventually sooner or later through some mishap, or something out of your control like a program or system crash, a bug in a program etc (that is literally what single handedly sank Rushia, a GTA/discord bug). So obviously it should not be your actual day to day private use desktop/browser. Maybe even make a joke background or desktop folder (like an empty folder just called GURA PORN or something) to make light of it if it does happen.

>>54317964
Tell the loli to turn off big head mode

>>54317964
I'm from the future and my dad works for Cover
>Shiori
Is going to come out swinging and cocky, but will lose momentum by being menhera.
>Koseki
Will be the most stable and will have the most dedicated fanbase, but also the smallest fanbase and /vt/ will only bring her up when shitposting about how boring she is.
>Nerissa
Kronii 2
>Fuwawa and Mococo
Will get the most attention due to their gimmick, but they'll filter ESLs hard and will end up being pretty niche.

None of them break 1 mil before the global economic collapse and all of Hololive gets drafted to fight in World War 4.

>>54320288
Kronii is just dumb and naive.
Mori on the other hand...

>>54319736
I want to clarify something, politics also involve gay and trans people, why? ask pikamee, you can pander to them by doing a bit of yuribaiting but that's it, they are unstable as fuck, even more so than unicorns.
Also as this anon said, if you want to collab with males SAY IT SO FROM THE START, just like bae did in her debut.

>>54321061
>Have gratitude for all the things that you now have because of the efforts of your senpai

This cannot be stressed enough. Hololive is a team effort, it is not just a concert hall for elite performers that only mattered once you joined. Every new Holo stands on the shoulders of giants, utter titans if this medium.

Even if you were a successful indie or small corpo, you still are not as big as the biggest Holos. No preconceived ego or conceit is warranted, only humbleness and a can-do attitude. You are a smaller fish in this pond, unless your name is Gawr Gura. You are here chosen to integrate with a proven team of champions, not to rebel against them and try to reform it to your liking. Whatever you were doing before, it was not as successful as Hololive - you are in no place to rock the boat, you were not entitled, you did not put in the tens of thousands of hours of work building the brand. You can't own it, the most you can do is leave your mark on it, and please do not waste the chance like Sana did.

>>54317964
don't get tricked by bae and mori
if you do, pull a Towa, don't drag others into your bullshit and steadily build a solid unit within hololive (see: Startend, PEBOT)
godspeed sisters

>>54319736
For first advice doesn't work since Kiara exists. You think she's making money but she was complaining about making less because of Yen conversion for her when the other girls never even brought it up. It's more stream moderately but longer. If every stream you do is a long one it'll eventually just become a block of videos that nobody will watch after the first week and become dead. Playing RPGs is the worst killer in viewership. It's not that you shouldn't play RPGs but they shouldn't be all your streams. Know that playing RPGs will not get you viewers and make sure they are long endurance streams to reduce how many parts you make of it because each part will get lower views than the first in most cases.

>>54318108
>>54318393
>>54320798
So true sisters

>>54317964
follow the example of your JP sempais and protect yourselves from the influence of MYTH or Council.

>>54317964
Just don't collab with males.

>>54318651
Super based

>>54317964
Homo collab is the way to success

>>54318108
>t. butthurt subhuman groomer
The people who hate us the most, I've learned, are often the ones who try the hardest to control their oshi's thoughts and opinions. They don't like the idea of a faceless mass having more input than just-them; they really are trying to control their oshi from seeing thoughts that aren't in agreement with the top-simps good boy points circle jerk and this makes them feel powerless. Because they are, if the girl knows better than to trust them as advisors instead of simple janitors and assistants. They want to play manager for her and discredit everyone else (not just here but often the newer or less-into-it fans for that girl).

Someone already said what I'm getting at here - new Holos ought to ditch all their old mods immediately. They have managers now.

>>54322740
Am i perhaps wrong anon?

>>54320055
Wait are Kronii's mods really her PL mods?

>>54318853
>>54320259
lel, it's funny how you can know this shit was made by antis, because they really can't help themselves

If you're dealing with a retard just block or mute them, dont issue a global statement against all your fans on twitter and dont get management to make a statement too

>>54325315
>made by antis
>Literally says nothing negative
You good?

>>54325315
What else do the voices tell you anon?

>>54319736
ok this is based, even if I'm more unicorn than this person, this should be baseline for all vtubers.
The problem is GFE vtubers would not exist, most women in vtubing age have a relationship even if LDR going on.

>>54328847
but extremely successful vtubers aren't the average woman, they have a lot more at stake on top of the ethical issue of not deceiving people

>>54319736
>Do not do your unarchived streams or off-collabs without prior notice
Addendum to this, you CAN do surprise unarchived streams or off-collabs, but they should be the exception, not the rule.

>>54319736
>Yes
>Yes
>Doesn’t matter
>2nd most important thing
>Yes
>Doesn’t matter
>Also doesn’t matter they’re already blind
>The most important one
>Already against Cover’s rules

>>54320677
>learn to github MAS
Pretty sure sisters would throw a fit over this, wouldn't Cover support this as work-related expense for one (1) computer?

Stream as often as Kaela/Koyori
Don't be Kiara
That is all I ask

>>54318108
Spbp

>>54319736
>#1
Kiara disagrees with you. Just stream good times, because your audience can feel when you start burning out.
>#4 and #5
These can be summed up as "you are the one with the power, don't use to feed the troll and complain afterwards"
>#7
Pic related. As cynical as you may think it is, vtubers are, in the end, part of the service industry. And as mentioned before, this job can make you Scrooge McDuck as long as you play the part.

>>54317964
>Dont' be a massive cunt Kronii
>Don't be a homoshill like Ame
>Don't be a homo collaber like Bae
>Don't get oneguy'd like Fauna
>Don't respond to antis like Mori
>Don't be a lazy cunt like Gura
>Don't have an annoying voice like Kiara
>Don't be an anti-fun like Ina
>Don't be a quitter like Sana
Your predecessors have already given you almost all of the crucial checklist on things you shouldn't do. Will you be better?

>>54330887
Bad advice. If you only think of "don't"s, then you'll end up jaded.
Literally just find a character you're comfortable with and stick with it against antis and beggars of any kind. Trying to lie or cover shit up is noticeable, and reduces the quality of your stuff.

>>54317964
Avoid holostars, collabing with men is not worth the backlash you will bring to both yourself and your collab partner

>>54331207
I'd add that I'd be at least ok if its like Kiara where she at least interacts with Tempus like an actual person.

Where it rubs me the wrong way though is when fucktards use Gura as the gold standard where she outright denies their existence like a flat earther.

>>54331165
You say that but bae has been upfront about being a homolover from the start and she’s been a runt ever since

>>54331207
Depends. As the other anons said, if she makes it clear she doesn't mind those collabs from the start, it's fine. Keep in mind that it may mean slower growth.
Problem, I think, is that most male vtubers give off massive sexpest vibes. For example, a twitch chuuba I watch for obvious reasons once did a collab with a male vtuber, and not even her chat liked it because it felt too forced, even though she had had a regular collab with a male fleshie only a few days before that nobody complained about.

>>54331498
Nope fully disagreed, gura is based as fuck for completely ignoring tempus, whereas i’m not a fan of kiara tweeting at them or mentioning them on stream

>>54331498
I'd say that's the character Gura chose. It's kinda also what Fauna chose. Mumei literally doesn't mind but, like any normal person, doesn't go out of her way to say "BTW GAIS I'M A-OKAY WITH HOMOS".

>>54331597
That's because she doesn't know how to channel her zoomer. It can be entertaining, like her House of the Dead Overkill stream. But most of the time she plays parts and then complains about them being cringe, like the GFE/BFE streams.

>>54329309
I mean they already have a whole fictional character and backstory a fictional relationship status doesn't seem like too big a deal. Even if they aren't diving particularly deep into playing a character and mostly act like a normal streamer, presenting as a fictional character is part of the whole appeal, right?

>>54331706
But then my point stands that it probably isn’t worth it. Why sacrifice your growth just to collab with holostars? Unless you’re actively a fan of them already then there’s not much of a point. Bae has struggled with her viewership and why would these new chuubas want to do that to themselves?

>>54331907
That reeks of cope dude, you wanna take another shot at that?

>>54332062
>Bae
Bad example, Bae's problems are outside of her homo willingness.
>Unless you’re actively a fan of them already then there’s not much of a point
She just has to accept that due to her chosen profession, it means she'll have a slower growth. But if she's a good streamer, it can be overcome. Many factors, but it can be done.

>>54332062
I can't imagine unicorns are what bring in the big viewership numbers, right? That feels like something this board is probably biased about. Though I wouldn't be surprised if they're what brings in the big supa bucks

>>54332610
That's what I also think about which infuriates me honestly. They're just like that substance Tony was using for his synth-heart before that point mid Iron Man 2. Allows them to live, but slowly kills them.

>>54332610
>>54332823
You even have the examples on twitch, with the Nyanners and Veibae boyfriend reveals and her viewerships tanking (mind you, they're still well above many others, but nowhere near their previous levels).

>>54332610
views? lol no. they're a loud minority in the fanbase and only screeches /here/. one could argue that they are the paypigs though.
>>54333075
>le reveal
doesn't matter for hololive KEK

>>54317964
Don't have a boyfriend.
Don't have a boyfriend.
DON'T HAVE A FUCKING BOYFRIEND.

>>54333317
>doesn't matter for hololive KEK
Homo collabs are the equivalent for holos. Hell, regular whores suffer from it, not!Riifu literally had to be told "no" by her paypigs when she did a video with a male partner and asked if she should repeat it.

>>54333317
>>54332610
>>54332823
Literally all of the homocollabors in holoEN have declined significantly (aside from bae who always had terrible viewership), keep coping sisters

>>54332496
You guys are always coping about bae, i love how homofans are more then willing to drag bae through the mud to push their narrative that her viewership isn’t bad because of holostars, that’s another reason why i wouldn’t collab with holostars, their fans will shit on you constantly when you inevitably decline from those collabs

>>54325506
This, looking at you Kronii, Fauna and Mori. @'ing thousands of people over literally one guy is going to produce a lot more problems than solutions even if you're right. Let's break down the steps -
>It kinda makes it feel like the chuuba thinks the entire audience is on about the same level as the one guy and could all use a pre-emptive lecturing
>which makes it look like she thinks her fans are all unhinged and need lecturing to like they're children
>which makes fans with self-respect, who don't like being talked down to by a woman in her 20s who makes a living RPing as an anime girl on the internet, leave and stop watching
>which leaves behind the bottom feeder fans with no free will, the brownest of noses and dirtiest of tongues stuck to boots who tolerate being treated badly and enable the chuuba to do it again if not more fiercely

Cycles of this lead to kronii's chat eventually, or twitch chats for 2views where every single comment is scrutinized under a groomer mod or two itching for a reason to ban every single viewer there besides himself

>>54333778
Retardchama, Bae's viewership isn't bad ONLY because of her homocollabing, she has her own set of issues on top of it.

>>54333778
Like you would when a Hologirl dare mention that A.) Stars exist and B.) actually not be a retard "introvert" around them? You drew first blood.

Don’t listen to mori

>>54332610
I mean look at the CCV. Its been less than 24 hours since the new girls were revealed and they all already have more subs than half of Tempoop who have been here since January. Most people really do not care for the guys. Not even enough to do a pity sub.

>>54331958
lolno how new are you, I don't get how you can even think that after witnessing any yabs

Don't fuck up and do not be an irony-driven idiot like Mori

Thats all.

>>54333990
Sis, don’t be a hypocrite.

>>54321954
what's wrong with mori?

>>54317964
Just stream literally that's it.

>>54334751
Yikes! I think it is safe to say that Homobeggers and unicorns are both shitters and moderates are the only chads and make up the majority. That said the resulting drama from either side drives away moderates. After all, you won't deal with any of this shit, by watching something else, like the WAN show or some shit. Which is ironic since that's more real-life focussed.

>>54333577
Is this the part where you try and insist that Kronii was a 5view / high 4view on solo streams before the homos?
This was taken from Jan 2022 btw.

>>54331207
For better or worse that's the truth.

>>54318108
spbp

>>54336207
Eh, you cherrypicked gigadebuff games. She varied a lot, in May 2022 she had a 15k The Closing Shift and 20k Minecraft. Somehow she hit 26k with Holocure in June 2022. For gigadebuff games she'd hit 5k though. There's a pretty big variation, but your screenshot doesn't tell the whole story either way.

Learn from the issues of your senpais.
Be honest with your audience but not too honest, they're here for escapism and for a fun chill time, don't hide shit from them but no need to take off the mask and ruin the fantasy either, avoid doing a Fauna.
Nurture a positive relationship with your chat, teasing and banter can easily become toxic and devolve into a genuinely bad relationship like with Ame's.
Besides that there's not much advice to give.
Either they're smart and reasonable or they are retarded.
If they are smart they can figure it out on their own and if they are retarded no extra advice can help them.
Ideally stay away from males if you want to maximize numbers and success, and make your intent to collab with them clear from day 1 if you want to collab with them to avoid a Kronii and minimize antis and to gain the attention of anti-unicorns early.
I guess an advice worth sharing is to avoid having too many gaming streams, they are nice but most people are there for the vtuber not whatever game is in the background so get to know your community and let them know you first.
Other advice is too basic, remain active consistently is a basic advice for all content creators in general, even the biggest content creator will see a big fall due to inactivity, like Gura.
I'd say one obvious piece of advice that shouldn't need to be said but is worth saying anyway is to be careful with your identity, avoid using pre-existing social media, game accounts or consoles, and to keep any personal discord activity on a different computer.

>>54317964
have lesbo sex on stream

>>54320677
no vtuber has been tech smart like all this shit described

>>54338246
who's to say how important CCV is though anyway, her SC still looks good

>>54319736
Being proactive about getting along with other holo-mems is also a big plus. It's important for the talent and is picked up on by the viewers.

>>54317964
Terrible muted colors. People aren't even gonna be able to tell 1 and 3 apart half the time.

>>54340584
It's their outfits and hairstyles really looking kinda too similar for shio/nerissa. Gen 1 had three (3) blondes in it yet they were instantly recognizable from having super different hairstyles and outfits.

Shiori's two-tone hair and yandere eyes make her pretty recognizable to me but as a general silhouette / color palette they're kinda similar. It didn't help that they looked kinda similar in the trailer too.

>>54323697
If we listened to what this Luxembourgish cheese making forum said, /u/ would run the entire nip entertainment industry.

>>54318108
Unicorns...

>>54318108
spbp

>>54319736
>>Don't shit on your fanbase
this is LITERALLY all you need to do and you will be beloved and defended regardless of whether you get high or low numbers.

>>54319736
If you shit on the fanbase, thats it. you can NEVER recover. Even if you respond to antis, engage in GFE, talk to the stars, or even the streams, you cannot escape the shitting on a fanbase allegations.

See: ame