/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

thank you >>54174620
/kuro/ Hunting black corps
>Black corp: Ill will, exploitation, undeniable shadiness or sheer incompetence that isnt owned up to


CONFIRMED/VERY LIKELY>

AuroraLiveVR
>Literally chinashills, zhang contract, wants you to pay 6k if you leave, asks fingerprints, and more
>really predatory+exploitative contracts and work culture, matches claims of staff+talents unhappy and lots of turnover
>https://files.catbox.moe/0ksu5e.pdf

EIEN
>Internally company has issues, likely work culture
>GEN1 was supposed to have 5 talents, but 1 ended up going somewhere else after their model was done.
>GEN2 was supposed to be cast months ago, but by the time they got the greenlight all the prospects walked away.
>Stealth suspends talents, tends to want to cover up stuff as much as possible
>Very controlling of talents, has talents sign admissions of guilt over internal fights/misconduct, isolates talents from internal communication channels over fights/misconduct
>https://twitter.com/EIENproj/status/1665516473794822145 whole situation with Rifu is messy

RE:HOPE
>Posted and deleted a statement about the firing of a staff with accusations of
>https://docs.google.com/document/d/1cvhcltntyki0-Tj2NxU_9Sx2Cjo9QhaD5v_knDZXFCs
>Large amount of staff left
>CEO has past history fucking up another corpo
>Talent expected to leave soon

BondEN
>Awful contracts, cuts are incredibly shit, exploitative tendencies
>Meetings early in the mornings with clueless japanese manager
>People who joined them regretted it which is why they had an exodus of talent
>https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BUpIKllmPqxGndPclpNBRIQcoac0DzPf0kKPgicUV64

PixelLink
>Predatory cut of 80 to company, 20 to talent, issues with recruitment process, 2 year contract
>shadiness confirmed but depth unknown


NEEDS MORE VALIDATION>

Idol
>False promises and expectations early on with unrealistic goals, always patches issues with cash
>Doesnt seem evil but just messy, may be some drama here, need to comb on thread below that seems to have very suggestive info
>https://archive.palanq.win/vt/thread/22846086/#22850018
>Speculation:"front for embezzlement/fraud at worst, a poorly planned entertainment venture with hopes to secure connections for future use, or quite simply a temporary hobby for a wealthy individual at best"
>Speculation:"Backed by israeli government"
>> Have to determine if anything indicates ill will or just messes on the road, just questionable deep pockets here

Phase Connect
>50/50 cut
>Supposedly blacklisted by major indies, other companies, and irl conventions for being a brand risk
>+More on unconfirmed

Cyberlive
>CEO dated underage manager, also claims of abusing and cheating on her, need source+proof
>70% cut to talent, 30% cut to company


UNCONFIRMED/SPECULATION>

Phase
>Bad pays to clippers
>Gen 3 is rumored to be trying to leave Phase, but are stuck paying off debt of what Phase already invested into their models and assets (they're making the talents pay for their models and assets? LOL)

Nijisanji (not EN)
>make talents package and send all their merch by themselves
>managers take a month or more to respond talent messages
>doing almost nothing for talents and leeching off of them
>Enacts a 6 month PL socials blackout on talents when joining. You are not allowed to talk to anyone but your irl family. Friends and everything are completely banned, anything that is past life related is not allowed you’re not even allowed to interact on Twitter. (Zaion and Kyo broke this rule if real)

NexStage
>Had a 3D concert in a bathroom https://twitter.com/NexStageProject/status/1632531019550138368
>Two talents leave right after debut, and another talent just left two months ago
>>NOT enough to seem black company, just some issues in an event unless more is brought up

V&U
>Mirror Idolcorp spending and expect same return without comparable resources
>deep in the red, cut all merch (gen 1 anniversary and multiple girls bday went without merch) and many song covers and projects

Kawaii
>Runs things like Hololive while having none of the benefits, clout, or audience to justify the bare minimum investment
>Half their company graduated or got terminated for one reason or another

Prism Project
>supposed claims of bad management

Tsunderia
>supposed claims of half the talents disliking the other half

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Confirm or contest any info you can with sources where possible

I think we should put together a guide for any talents who wish to whistleblow anonymously, since opsec is an important part of avoiding legal problems.

>>54175375
>/vt/ now is hunting down Black corpos to prevent them from expanding
Maybe this forsaken board can be redeem.
Speaking of black corpos does anyone knows how the rebranding of Wactor went?

>>54175479
That's a really great idea.

>>54175408
Great job. Hopefully we can compile some more sources for the unconfirmed ones.

>>54175408
Thank you for posting and beating me to the punch, glad to know it will go on beyond just me with the list lol

OPOG-chan’s vent will not be in vein… her legacy will be remembered

New insideranon here. Dropped a bit of info at the end of the last thread but if you want tea on any small corpo ask and I'll give what I can.

>>54175631
Mind reposting and we can have dialogue from there?

>>54174527
lol I forgot about him, but he watches hololive so "not your average zhang", plus canadian company needs to obey canadian laws
I guess I have to reiterate and say that don't deal with zhangland companies (this includes b2 btw). It's a pain to get money out of there

>>54175740
I hope Sakana fixes Gen 3 and poaches the corpos that are crumbling right now

>>54175489
Fuck black corps, lets make a crusade and some good like the good times, action not just empty words. No clue on Wactor, would be good to have some condensed info

>>54175479
Vtuber Whistleblower's Guide would be neat and definite W helping folk out

>>54175525
We need sources and stuff that helps confirm or has some weight

>>54175479
Please do. There are things I’d like to mention about a company but some of it gives my identity away

>>54175908
Which company?

>>54175594
Based femanon from kurocorp did good, we had lots of brave ones that uploaded contracts and statements with weight

>>54175479
First hand accounts are an important part of the conversation, but the the threat of being identified, legal action, and NDAs scare off a lot of whistleblowers.

I can speak on Amber Glow and the hololive china girl's corpo

>>54175904
We could start by trying to get more info on these companies from ex talents without getting them in trouble. Not just talents actually, just talking to people who have worked with these companies before. Clippers, artists, etc.

>>54175908
Pirate-chan and her insane opsec… who even thinks of giving fake info to corpos. the terry davis of vtubers. maybe she just wants to watch all the corpos burn

>>54175408
ill bite.
fuck is phase gen 3 here?
are we talking a gen not even publicly announced yet?
the new invaders?

alright, we need a talented femanon to investigate vtuber auditions.

>>54176114
new gen not announced, theyre all trying to get out and phase is making them pay for the models. could probably get insight

>>54176137
I have gotten interviews for everywhere I've applied other than EIEN and Kawaii. I can drop info on a lot of different places

>/witch-hunt/

>>54176137
I know someone who’s gotten to interviews of phase, pixel, and akio. she’s insane too but currently in another corpo. dont wanna doxx her though

>>54176114
Gen 3 is the unreleased upcoming Phase gen, not the new invaders. They concluded auditions awhile ago and multiple talents confirmed their existence. Someone dropped info on Phase in the first thread, to which another anon responded asking if it was true that gen 3 is leaving. Here's the response back >>54153249

>>54176163
why though

>>54176196
Total black corpo death, cope and seethe

damn, didn't know we have our homebrew vtuber journalism

>>54176196
Real haters

How do you salvage Nijisanji?

>>54176362
close it down permanently

>>54176333
It makes sense. The industry is rife with abuse and exploitation and this is one of the few places people can share their experiences anonymously.

>>54175714
Idol bots their ccv at the request of their talents. Idk if you were around for it but as far back as the HE debuts their debut ccv has been fishy. Aviel has the knowledge on how to do it and then the english girls requested it when they found out. As proof, trust me bro. I heard it from a friend who heard it from the horse's mouth.

>>54176399
silvervale tattoo when

>>54176163
how did this "fact" of them wanting to leave started, when they havent been properly announced?

This thread is so retarded that it's actually funny.

Why do mods allow these slanderous threads that are not even about vtubers? They are about offline non-vtuber things.

>>54176399
shut up commie

Keeping watch for if mfs try to put in Hololive because males.

>>54176010
Issue is that kurocorps dont just fuck you with legal terms, some dont care, especially the small which are the worst because hey have little to lose and arent that smart, and most kuroslaves are afraid of public backlash

>>54176030
People with nothing to lose that have strong evidence or already kicked are the best bet alongside helping anonymous whistleblowers

>>54176535
Lmao learn to read, try harder glowie

>>54176456
its called having friends and bitching to them, and those friends telling other friends, and so on. women and girls love pulling this shit

>>54176510
I can easily whip up some fake proof and make retarded rats here and people will eat it up. I am all for fishing out the bad eggs but this is too hard to confirm anything. The only true stuff here is the AuroraLiveVR, BondEN and Re:Hope situations but those were very public on Twitter.

>>54176432
Nippleman was caught with youtube botting ads. You are retarded if you dont think bots dont exist. Its also really fishy how you can get 90%+ new viewers every stream and randomly get a hit or cut of up to 300% more viewers every couple of streams

>>54176597
Making things up is one thing, but providing proof is another.

The aurora shit is real but it's probably better not having this thread on all the time.
It's already rushing to become all shitposting.

>>54176597
most vtubers are menhera. they will eventually spill if they end up on here, the temptation is strong

>>54176163
>>54176267
wonder why.
you can say whatever you want about the face talents put on, but you cant hide everything. and taking into account history and current trends, opinions, and hints, internally Phase seems to have turned things around and the current talent list (well, maybe not new invaders, haven't seen enough of them to know besides given Dizzys past she probably wouldn't hate the company) seem pretty fond of the company. not saying no problems, just usually theres hints of a company falling apart internally, and if anything theres hints of the opposite.

I can totally see Phase being blacklisted by a buncha places though. i dont think its as serious as some might think, but its probably there. I guess i just cant see how you would audition to Phase but have the external issues be why you want out, when anyone not dumb could see its got a very mixed external image. But as stated, i cant see it being the internal environment. that is, unless how close the Phase girls have become IS the problem and that causing them to lash out at newcomers who they feel dont fit the 'family' they now have.
i will at least say, its about 50/50. alot of the talents feel too nice or reserved for that, but others i could see being snide or a bit aggressive.

as for the model pay? im mixed on it. Phase takes what the talents want into account for the models for sure to some extent, so is the problem they dont feel they can just reuse them with new talents? i mean, i can see that being a problem. are they paying but not getting the model in return, or a compromise where they pay off the investment into the model but get it handed over? if its the second, i actually do think thats fair, especially considering you have to get pretty far into the process to have a model, so they had time to think it through before it got to that point.

really though, an entire gen wanting to leave before even being announced feels like something very specific and significant had to happen.

one of aviel’s exes is in idol and still gets preferential treatment to this day relative to those in her gen

>>54175408
surely there must be more on Kawaii. Their entire 3rd (?) gen left simultaneously

>>54176598
Bots are very real and Idol does it at the request of the talents. If you have any other corpos you want to know about ask now. I need to sleep.

>>54176597
Thats why we should try to find stronger stuff to confirm validity using sources, and help others whistleblow, we should not go crazy with some drama but shouldnt ignore it either

>>54176739
There is but it isn't confirmed.

>>54176662
It is VERY easy to fake Emails and Discord screenshots. You should always avoid taking those seriously. The fact this is anonymous is the exact reason you should be skeptical. Public call-outs are much more likely to be real as an individual stands something to lose.

>>54176703
>Phase takes what the talents want into account for the models for sure to some extent

I really wish it was true

>>54176731
Insideranon. Can confirm I have heard the same thing.

I wish I could whistleblow for my corpo without being obvious who I am. Cliques are real, guys.

So is the Phase stuff confirmed or unconfirmed? With the way the thread is talking about it makes it seem like it's confirmed but the list says it's unconfirmed.

>>54176739
If we had some sources or something to confirm everyone leaving at the same time we could dig on and up it on the kurocorp rank

>>54176739
>shitstirring when he doesn't even know

Justice for my 77:33 earning chuubas and 0:0 earning mods

>>54176855
There's zero proof. There's as much proof that all of Idol is trying leave.

>>54176878
>77:33
anon…

>>54176703
Frankly we can only speculate at this point the reason why unless one of the anons who know about it can give some insight.
From my standpoint, if this is really happening, it feels weird that its timed with the Phase talents voicing their support of the company more than ever. Either the gen leaving is bullshit, or the rest of the talents are trying to make the company look like everythings okay(either to convince the public if something goes bad, or to deter the gen from leaving)

>>54176906
I do know Juna is unhappy

get the rehope talent thats leaving in here. she’s 100% seen the previous threads, talents usually have insider on other corpos that are pretty reliable. just have to find out which one it is, and she probably wont actually spill anything

>>54176801
nah it is, talents have talked about it here and there.
is it entirely or primarily? no, but they have a say in it for sure.

>>54176946
They did do that around when Yuri left so this might hold some weight...

>>54176764
It is much preferable to let talents whistleblow anonymously exactly because they stand more to lose from making their problems public, and it scares them away from many things that should be known. It is an acceptable risk to have someone make a concerted effort to fake multiple screenshots and emails without secondhand accounts. It is up to the talent reading the list to make a judgment call whether or not to consider the problems legitimate, rather than having no info on the company or talent agency.

>>54176962
pretty sure shes already here

>>54176569
If this was about the inner workings of niji/holo then it would be deleted in 5 minutes.

>>54176946
>Either the gen leaving is bullshit
I'm just going to assume this. I know a bunch of the talents from gen 1 said they wanted to leave in early 2022 but didn't because management got better and some of the talents do express displeasure with some of the companies decisions.
>>54177029
Yuri was the biggest one doing that.

>>54177015
I was interviewed by Sakana himself and asked, Gen 3 wasn’t getting that, but the others did which I can confirm since it’s on the website.

>>54177037
GPT-4 can print Zaion style receipts in minutes. The disinformation age is upon us.

Nobody would stay in the company after the shit they pulled with Yuri

>>54177139
Use it to make one up about Hololive. I want to see what it's capable of.

>>54177041
oh rehope talent we see you now come spill your secrets

>>54176741
Not the first person to say that and they do have a lot of money and had some messy and shady attention grabbing practices from the archived thread + proof, could be looked into

>>54176764
Really true, but they do give more weight to stuff and if it matches real public things it will get some stuff out, if not then it will look fake, gotta check stuff like who aims first and says what, best we can try to get dirt dug out of kurocorps

>>54176838
If theres 3+ talents and you give info available for all in staff then they wont know who it was and will suffer from it, just make sure source is visible to give weight to what you say

>>54177037
I have so much shit I'd love to share on one company but I am 1000% sure they'd sue the fuck out of me. So it's not worth it. All I can do is wait for them to eat shit.

>>54176946
i dont think its lying at least in their opinion. the talents have gotten away with some pretty fucking spicy honesty and been pretty open about issue and problems to the point i really dont think they're laying about liking the company alot.
this however, i will agree, is very different than why they are talking about it now. they can be being both honest in their feelings here while also bringing it up to preemptively block something. i actually think theres a strong argument for them liking the company making them more likely to do so.

regardless,why they are all bringing it up now is a good question. even if the answer is innocent (such as the anniversaries and music video getting them emotional), it still is odd to see all at once without context.

>>54177116
link?

They'll track down your IPs, NDAnons.

>>54177221
There's a way to share information without making it obvious who you are, but there's important steps to follow. Hopefully we'll have a guide soon.

>>54177258
lol, lmao even.

https://phase-connect.com/auditions/

>>54177332
I haven't signed a nda with the companies I'm willing to share info on

>>54177411
Same.

>>54177411
Leak everything then. I'm sure you dont give a fuck about your reputation already

>>54177411
>>54177439

If Pirate-chan could do it you can too

>>54177447
Ask for a corpo then nigger. I offered and no one asked.

>>54177498
phase, eien, idol, cyberlive, prism project, pixellink.

>>54177498
How should I know what companies you worked with faggot? I'm not a mindreader

>>54177547
ive already gotten into bed so pick one

>>54177378
odd they are doing it for this gen specifically.
think they just have alot of unused assets laying around from previous failed designs?

makes the idea they're making gen 3 pay off the models make less sense too, if they're pre-planned and thus already expected to assign voices to them rather than make em from scratch.

>>54177617
EIEN.

>>54176962
>>54177041
Theres enough info on the statements and from the copy of the released document to paint a picture, but well see

We need more on small kurocorps, rise up kuroslaves

>>54177617
Phase

>>54177732
shes probably friends with other talents since the corpo connection. talents talk for sure.

>>54176432
the way to bot and not be flagged is by buying real "viewers". As in you pay people who are running multiple accounts at once to view the stream. There are basically entire businesses built on creating "real" views for people.

>>54177411
>>54177447
>>54177547

As much and many as you can/want back up, even if not maybe its a clue to dig up more dirt elsewhere

>>54177617
so you have nothing? kys fag

>>54177797
:D

>>54177830
Israel is known for limiting what their users can access and messing with their internet access for different uses.. weight on that theory that they work for their government? Nah im being too schizo

This thread just feels like its gonna be rrat central

>>54177937
>gonna be

>>54177926

You're thinking too hard, they just hire people in India

>>54177617
phase

>>54177844
That's rude anon. You get akio drama instead. Their minimum contract is 3 years.

>>54178004
Worked on a callcenter yeah that makes a lot more sense, still need more to go on

>>54177937
>>54177962
Better to filter rrats with source/proof than have nothing

>>54178052
lmao

>>54177764
>>54178037
nta but one of the managers is a former niji manager, Lumi does kind of get special treatment, the CEO likes and does enjoy Pippa and Tenma gets in trouble the most with management because she likes to argue

>>54178156
>Tenma gets in trouble the most with management
PC management hate!

>>54178004
>India
Chinese are way more cheaper. Here are your average nijisanji viewers enjoying a stream

>>54178090
>Better to filter rrats with source/proof than have nothing
You say this like proof actually matters, people will believe whatever then feel like or whatever validates their opinions.

>>54178202
As an ex kuroslave, im surprised i still get disgusted by this shit

op here, going to go to bed soon, so if another anon wants to take over, feel free.

>>54178312
what a libelous OP pic

>>54178156
>nta but one of the managers is a former niji manager
Nikki?

>>54178312
You forgot one

>>54178156
>Former Niji manager
This is so random I'm liable to believe it, but who could it be? Lazulights manager left only two months ago, and Obsydias manager is still working for them and returned to Selen. Ethyrias then? Has to be

>>54178376
Idol isn't a black company

maybe we should keep the thread like once a week. there's not enough content to run per day, and will end up looping to the same info

>>54178312
You rock OP, same here, even if this sinks someone could use it to fish the big fishes in the future

Let the kurocorp hunt live in

>>54178376
oops i promise this was not an idol shill this does not look good for me, updated please forgive me i dont want to be gassed

>>54178413
ogey
https://docs.google.com/document/d/137wNtDCvXclauU1MoK4ziUbXyPCoLoE5Wb0W_kTL46s

>>54178419
True and give us time to get some dirt to validate, we have to be strict with what we let go as CONFIRMED and the rest we all know for sure but cant back up on LIKELY

>>54178156
>niji manager
50/50 on believing this one. apparently Sakana is good at poaching and its exactly the company i would expect him to be able to do that to.
>Lumi special treatment
not sure i believe it, but i could see it. that said, i would think it has more to do with the nature of being an invader, especially one of the first, over outright planning to give special treatment. no way that contract is the same as standard, and that alone opens up all sorts of possibilities.
>sakana likes pippa
is this one even unknown? maybe its never been outright said he does but it just seems obvious.
>Tenma gets in trouble the most and most argumentative
again, this one just seems publicly obvious. shes even sorta implied/admitted to it too.

overall i think i believe you but not because of you, but because none of it is hard to believe.

>>54178413
all corpos must be investigated. leave no stone unturned.
>>54178471
Reminding anons again not to click google doc link without opening it in private browser first.

Is it too boring to talk about holo or are they really just a tightly sealed and secluded company?

are you the one who tried to hype up /smol/

>>54178413
>phase is black
>but Idol isnt

kek, lmao.
even if you want to argue them being blacklisted is enough for phase to ocunt(which i actually DO think is fair), Idol has at least that level of shit floating around.

>>54175408
Hey there, I can vouch for some of the Cyberlive stuff. Misaki was underage, was dating the CEO.

V&U has indeed cut their merchandise

>>54178471
Its scumbags like this faggot that give all western companies/chuubas a bad name when it comes to dealing with japanese artists

>>54178471
I like that they gave constructive criticism and suggestions for idol to do better

>>54178514
No, because that was me. But the proposed OP does look almost the same lmao
>tfw everyone not holo is a black company

cyberlive is also dead so your >exposing corpo for fellow /asp/ies! excuse doesn't work
gossiping thread

birds of a feather

>>54178745
I have no idea why people keep bringing up tsunderia and cyberlive, most definitely a gossip thread, /vt/ becomes /cgl/

>>54178745
We include Cyberlive and other dead corpos so those taken advantage of by those companies can share their experience and help shed a light on how some corpos are predatory toward their talents. Being dead doesn't make them any less of an example, if anything it makes them more of an example.

>>54175408
Considering either Phase or Idol a black corpo candidate is retarded, specially when you have actual examples of what a black corpo is in this same thread. If anything other small corpos should aspire to be like these two

>>54178491
>>54178471
Not to shill and no loyalty to no corp kuro or not but this is just about a delayed payment and they said they sent an invoice wich was confirmed by the artist and even they said its written just in case, if Idol has that much money to even give them 50 percent bonus this just seems like the CEO forgot for a bit and the artist was a bit paranoid even saying on their chat 3 minutes after

I don't have anything to say about Holo EN but I will say that a few of the members in JP are elitist assholes. One story I remember is when Aloe got fired they had a meeting with a few of the members and none of the girls wanted her to stay, because not a single one trusted her to keep her lips shut

Thus, she was "let go". Are cliques there real? I dunno, but they WILL stab eachother in the back and bitch at staff members trying to get their way

>>54178846
The title of the thread is a bit misleading. While it is our focus now, the list spawned from two threads ago where ex talents and those who knew info about these companies were sharing freely. Its less of a list of "these are black companies" and more of "information we found on these companies that weren't particularly public info previously" and allowing for people to confirm or give more insight on the proposed info, or provide counter info.

>>54178889
Definitely a reach, unprofessional at worst.

>>54178889
Looking through the DMs he was asked about the payment multiple times through months and only responded when he was being publicly called out. There is no chance this isn't his first scam either

incompetence is predatory now...

>>54178976
It can be, yeah.

>>54178947
Yeah im really wanting to find stuff on Idol cuz theyre shady and have lots of money but face value from this doc only just seems like the CEO is messy, gonna add this to the archived thread with proof and points for stuff but it looks like frequent bursts of incompetence patched with money to me so far

Theyre suspiciously wealthy and throw money to issues doesnt make sense to suspect ill will trying to scam a rando artist when incompetence is lots more likely

This is hands down the most interesting thing to come out of this board in a while.

>>54175408
>BondEN
Or does some of the stuff here seem overblown? I've never gone corpo but I feel like you can't expect top grade service from a corpo that is appealing to indies.
Also the collab ban thing seems fucked up but not too bad?
The only thing would be not paying talents but I doubt the revenue was that big to begin with.

Not to be an asshole or anything and I'm not shilling for the company, again I've never gone corpo.

>>54179101
Yeah, it actually is. Actually using the anonymous nature of this board to good use

>>54178889
i read it, and yeah its really not what id call a genuine black mark.
it IS unprofessional though. not egregious like hes being rude, but very poor at giving information and keeping in touch.
still think its info other people looking to work with them should have though, just not anything particularly bad morally.

>>54179101
bow down to OPOG-chan the one who started it all

Panko made this post about Phase btw >>54150745 So these things are confirmed

Cyberlive was its own brand of shit, it wasted people's time, turned people against each other and overall no one benefitted from it. Sure people need to leanr to deal with this kind of thing but don't try to fit it into the predatory burakku company box

>>54179101
>>54179145
4chan was always meant to be the place where you find gold in shit, Reddit the one where you find shit in a gold, so its good to see something productive happening lol

>>54179171
How do you know its Panko?

>>54178922
Go on, what kinda elitists are they? The ultra-patriotic, Nihon namba wan type?

>>54179171
Why was the previous info on Phase deleted from that thread

>>54179315
More like primadivas really. This isn't a slight against the staff mind but instead the environment there

>>54179161
i think she’s 99.99% chance the rehope talent thats leaving. though theres only one of them that actively browses 4chan, imagine seeing your agency get blasted on here, and everyone being right. id be depressed too.

>>54179338
jannies are PC fans

>>54179171
>Panko
i see nothing confirming thats Panko.
thats a big claim and feels like an excuse to just confirm stuff without actual proof.

>>54179458
Why does everyone think Panko wants to leave or doesn't like phase or something?

>>54179500
Watch streams

>>54179058
Too black I can't see

>>54178933
>>54179157
We need to have half decent standards for how to do this and what we call a kurocorp / black corp, speaking out but no burning unless we get some decent proof or we are never gonna get taken seriously, the glowies then will come and do counterintelligence pretending to be rrat schizos and down we go

>>54179161
Venting stress + purpose + shit done = maybe some of these bastards have it harder getting away with it, OPOG-chan has balls for speaking up and im glad she did

>>54179423
I think the same, but from what the data says alot of people left that didnt get called out nor voiced any stuff so theres also a chance its one of the silent kuroslaves breaking the chains avoiding lashbacks like the one from the public staff firing with wild accusations

>>54179500
i honestly have no idea i thought she was one of the ones that had said she was happy with them recently(Though i could be wrong on that).
best i can possibly think is her apparently being upset at being thought of as a lewdtuber so supposedly changing how she addresses chat to try and go for the 'little sister' angle instead.
but that has nothing directly to do with phase and is all on her for making certain jokes then making the meme of calling her a lewdtuber so funny to her fans.

>>54177937
It's going to be /#/ but even more schizophrenic.

>>54179500
One anon from /pcg/ has wanted Panko to graduate from Phase and has spread rrats about her hating the company. Would not surprise me if it's that retard.

>>54179795
oh yeah i remember that guy.
thank you said non if you're here, making the middle school joke out of that was a good time.

Some of the bannedvtmemes team is closely tied to Niji.

>>54179264
I can't say anything more

>>54179795
Tard at least knows basic counterintelligence shit, shame most people in vt dont question what they see first and arent used to those tactics

>>54179738
Difference between schizo and detective is one is right and the other shills to a higher station

>>54179955
Does Panko want to leave? Should we expect more than a gen 3 walk oiut?

>>54178606
Cant believe i missed this, but we need more than a vouch, details or source

>>54180095
I could post some things some of the girls and others may know who did it if I did, and I don't really want to get in any heat with them.

>>54180155
You should be fine. Lots of people know what went down in cyber thanks to vera and the talents opening sharing with many people. There's no NDA holding them back either.

>>54180155
Got me there, watch your back if you cant share the dirt safely, look for suggestive stuff on general discord chats with more people that could add weight to it

Personally i believe you but we have to do it by the book

>>54180037
She burned a few bridges by herself and she's not happy about the clear favoritism some girls get, I don't think she's graduating unless something more where to happen or add onto the things that are already stressing us out

>>54180259
One of the people involved asked all of us who heard her side of things to not share it, so I'd rather not...

Maybe because other people are also implicated

>>54180287
I don't really think anything bad would happen to me, but I would feel guilty betraying anyone's trust.

>>54178889
Basically what happened is that Idol was busy going balls deep in offkai and the EN2 debuts, and they lost track of the payment in process of everything going on, combined with the fact that the artist was retarded and couldn't even send an invoice and expected replies from a company over a weekend etc.. While all of that was going on, Idol posted a recruitment ad for artists for merch or whatever, and this guy went instant twitter dramafag clout goblin mode and posted that rambling mess immediately after (making sure to limit replies to just his artist hugbox, of course).

Idol immediately responded, gave him the apology bonus, and then announced shortly thereafter that they were hiring someone just to handle payment sort of shit to make sure it doesn't happen again. I lost the thread for it but then later other artists jumped in and said they've never had any issue working for Idol.

Also managers from other corpos liked Idol's reply tweets, so the artist basically just accomplished making sure he doesn't ever get hired by anyone watching.

>>54179929
Isn't half of those posts anti-Niji? That's fucking stupid from their PoV...unless you mean they personally know some Niji people and hate them, like the guy who doxxed Shu

>>54180368
They have Niji clippers and staff among them. I know that much

>>54180302
>us
subtle bait for your already dubious claim, but ill admit, thats some damn well slipped in subtle bait.

>>54180396
Yeah that's dumb as hell PR kek. Maybe they do love drama then

>>54179384
Betting its some at least of vt's "good girls".

>>54179981
>Difference between schizo and detective is one is right and the other shills to a higher station
this is maybe the most schizophrenic shit you could have replied with

>>54180396
I doubt anyone is surprised that one of the biggest anti hololive accounts has niji staff doing it

>>54180304
Got to respect that then, your choice, maybe ask the people involved if you can share if they wanna break the chains, but it could also open up old wounds

insider here, ...
NDA, getting sued
small clique they know (me)
posting it next thread
IYKYK

>>54180487
It is dumb. They have some secret Discord with at least 10-15 members in it.

>>54179795
I remember Panko being the one defending Phase the most when Yuri got terminated, saying that Phase gives them lots of freedom to do what they want, sort of implying that Yuri didn’t follow the very lax Phase contract. If Panko is actually leaving Phase I feel like its more likely that she’d just be tired of streaming if anything.

>>54180516
The first-hand accounter whom told me and some others hates 4chan, so I doubt they'd approve of me wanting to share anything they said, including the screencaps here.

It proves Lumi is an awful person as well.

>>54180608
All I hear about Lumi from any VTuber is they don't like her, including people who have nothing to do with Cyber Live.

>>54180340
Checks out, makes sense, thanks for the info anon

Not gonna give them a pass from looking into it further or the messups or shady money but nothing so far is enough to indicate kurocorp

>>54180511
I know

>>54180667
Who said that? Just curious.

will it crumble before it makes it to this thread?

https://twitter.com/vamfireent/status/1683698368416223233?s=46&t=hvVrlZb9N0Mz92FbeI9z3Q

>>54180691
LOL

>>54178922
Oh right another thing since it's old news and a lot of people knew this already - that one Holo concert people joked was done via backup dancers during COVID shit really WAS done via backup dancers

>>54178485
For one, Lumi dropped hints that she still owns her IP. Which isn't what Yuri's deal was, clearly. You could consider that "special treatment". The second batch of Invaders got new characters that I assume are owned by PC, so it's not like Lumi fits that pattern either.

So it's in this grey area - it's all "not hard to believe", but that also might be because it's a literal repackaging of things that were already known or at least hinted at.

God, if this thread lasts, it's gonna be such a rrat breeding ground. As if we didn't already have enough.

>>54180786
You mean the HoloEN one? Kiara already confirmed that happened and even thanked the dancer for representing her
You'll have to work harder if you want to prove yourself here

>>54180862
Oh she confirmed that one? Fair enough. I don't remember if it was that one, but sounds about right

>>54180855
I heard Yuri got fucked over pretty bad, from someone who was close to her.

It stands to reason that's why some of her old friends are still friends with her, too

>>54180691
No suspicious people I can see linked at first glance, who knows, super fresh and definitely green people in

>>54180742
To be fair, she warned of delay 5 days after introduction, thats a lot of time and they seem green so thats fair with time to prepare

Wactor 90% suing Leo for absconding before the purge and breaking contract. They are waiting for heat to die down and the other rebrands to go off. The other two boys and the others who left when their contracts were up are fine.

I find quite interesing this thread, I was on a company and got sexually harassed by my genmate (he made me make risqué calls and send him nude photos, when I was minor) then when we entered the agency she distanced me from all our genmates, I tell everyone in the agency that their friend was telling misinformation about me and everyone did nothing. For legal reasons I can't tell who or/and the agency, I never would have imagined that all this would happen in this agency

>>54180928
Every 2nd tweet Yuri makes is about telling people not to trust anyone in companies or any of their vtuber friends

>>54180972
We need to comb over Wactor, can someone make some bulletpoints, i dont know shit of them

>>54181084
I don't think she does this ever. She ironically streams more than she tweets nowadays.

>>54181103
Everything wactor related is already documented. Nothing left to comb other than go harass Nisha to spill the beans and I dont think any of the talents that left want anything to do with it anymore

>>54180973
Jesas

>>54180691
Vamfire's replies are kinda wild, they seem to be letting 14 year olds apply as long as they're 15 by the debut date, and literally just used an image of a Honkai Impact character for promotion.

>>54180973
what the hell

Niji insider

Selen really is graduating in two months. It’s been confirmed for at least the past 1 month. Management offered to renegotiate her contract but she wants out.

The EN management team as a whole is incompetent and was recently blown up and restaffed, the anon who said that phase has a former niji manager is right.

Also ever wonder how Nijisanji stays afloat with so many talents.. it’s a 80/20 cut with 80% going to niji I’ve never personally looked at the contracts but I’ve heard some of them are even written for 85/15 splits and most of our talents have side jobs.

I’m getting cut anyway enjoy your rrat.

>>54180973
Kinda iffy of a shit situation to deal with, maybe corpo wasnt sure who to side with but thats a personal dispute, no legal reason is gonna punish you for posting proof and seeking retribution if you have proof and theyre silencing you with that then yeah theyre lying and kurocorp shit, if you have evidence then you are good

>>54181252
ANOTHER ceo groomer?? were gonna be bordering furry convention ops if these freaks keep it up

>>54180973
NijiJP?

>>54181271
nuh uh

>>54181252
Dont hate teencorps but tenagers running things first rarely goes well and second is pretty dumb, let them try and fail or prove us wrong, but def gonna be mismanaged

>>54181271
SCREENSHOTTED. Let's see what happens in two months.

>>54181142
Thanks, will look for it

>>54181271
None of the talents, not even Mysta have ever implied a 80/20 split and he can't keep his mouth shut. They stay afloat because they don't have regular salaries, and anyone like kataribe is able to stay in as long as they want

>>54181360
I hate teencorps. I was trapped in one. I hate being a babysitter, just make a group or something don’t hire staff

>>54181314
Welcome to vt

>>54176739
>Company made a video shitting on the gen 3 talents after they left
>Oceane was allowed to doxx/shit talk the rest of gen 3 10 times, before management bothered to interfere. Coincidentally she only got booted after she doxxed Nene
>Shit talks graduated talents even today (Nene made a comment during her donothon about how unlike other girls she wasn’t going to just run with all the money, after their concert they also criticized gen 3, Nene’s spergout because a fan artist drew all of gen 1 including the now graduated Hana Flores. Like imagine if Bae got mad at her viewers for drawing a piece with all council members including Sana.
>Coincidentally Hana Flores and other graduated members who left on good terms’ archives got nuked without warning just after Nene’s spergout, and without the knowledge of said former talents. Not even Niji does this, they always let graduated talents decide if they want their videos to stay up or get taken down (and in case of the latter, they warn people ahead of time so they have time to archive)
>Former gen 3 members heavily alluded to on their new personas that they would have liked to do a proper goodbye and explain their reasons for graduating to their fans, but weren’t allowed to by management
>3D was entirely funded by fans through a kickstarter
>Concert was entirely funded by fans through similar means
>Management is known for doing absolutely nothing (not wanting to deal with Oceane, relying on fans to fund their projects, Nene being in charge of zoom meeting discussing the course of things, one member was stressed out because she didn’t know how to deal with taxes and such and management didn’t do anything to help with that)
>Clear preferential treatment (Nene has 4 outfits, while no one else has gotten a second outfit after 2 years)
>Gen 3 confirmed they were forced to do donothons by management, despite not wanting to
>Gen 3 were isolated and not allowed in the same discord as the other talents for half a year
>Management lied to Hana Flores about being able to get her a Japanese visa (she quit when that wasn’t the case)

>>54181271
>Selen escaping from that shithole
Even if this is just a made up story of a schizoprenic man i want this to be real

I have kawaii “insider” but no way to prove it, but I’ll drop it in case someone else here can. I heard it from another vtuber.

Kawaii is just broke. which is funny because they paid for the twitter gold shit, but whatever. Another thing being that management is scared of the talents, they’re too nice which is why they could get away with so much. That’s all I can share that I think is plausible.

>>54181423
That would be the smart thing to do, also puts them on a more vulnerable position to be groomed and taken advantage of, yeah they shouldnt exist but teens with dreams exist and are gonna do what they do, cant blame a corp as kurocorp just cuz theyre more likely to end up as, only can call them out for how idiotic of an idea it is

If anyone has shit on VReverie I'd love to hear it, since they're the only ones unaccounted for

Hey bros, I'm just about done with the first draft of the whistle-blower guide. Does anyone here have advice they'd be willing to share?

>>54180928
The thing with Yuri is that fucking over talent for no good reason goes hard against how Phase usually operates.

PC is pretty tolerant to talent dumbfuckery. They have their share of problem talent - ranging from basic underperformers who can't stream with any sort of consistency, and to their top of the line best in class yab machines. They rarely as much as issue a suspension. So for them to go and actually terminate a talent? Something pretty dire must have went down there, and we know nothing of it but the usual rrat fuckery.

The Yuri shitshow feels like Rushia all over again.

>>54181271
>>54181539
We will find out soon in two months

>>54181484
>>54181546
Okay some of this stuff may check out with more investigation, theyre good leads, def adding it to the list

>>54181643
Look at this animation whistleblower doc and use it as a guide https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1aJHCQSA2dFdu4Fy__T3yDyiNqO0jMUBcku0EjKX3SZI/htmlview obviously can change it up a bit, but it's a good reference point of anonymity and how to handle it

>>54181643
From the words of Pirate-chan herself: fake names always. starting to realize making her motives so weirdly unclear and back and forth just makes her harder to find.

>>54181643
which color did you use for the dick

>>54181666
Yuri was going to graduate had she not been terminated.

>>54181722
Black, obviously.

>>54181678
I'm pretty sure it's fake just for the shit about the payment split. A lot of JPs have talked about the payments and how it's split, and it's not 80/20. Selen also got her old manager back from when she debuted a month ago, so their management staff hasn't been completely fired

Yall got more on HoloJPs who are basically prima donna bitches?

>>54181283
I explained the middle like shit, so im going summarize like this

> dating this guy
> groomed me
> enter the agency
> groomer started harassment campaign
> random friend said "I stealed money from the corp"
> comment on this, but more harassment came
> I was afraid to debut because they kept commenting that I was a shitty person

I have a whole drive, with screenshots, commenting on everything because I am paranoid that at some point the harassment will return.
(or if not, I would not be saying it in a 4chan thread with the company's anonymity)

>>54181685
This is good for ideas

>>54181643
>Not talking like you always do when posting here
>Maybe a way to centralize info
>Send sources or evidence
>Try for statement and sources/evidence to align with facts and dont word speculation as fact, separate from fact
>Safe ways and methods to cover or evidence that wont fuck you over, that multiple people have access to
>Document everything if suspicious you never know when you will need it later

>>54181546
I will protect Kaolin-chan from the vtuber bullying !!!

>>54181678
kek some of the things on the kawaii greentext are obviously exaggerated or listed to make it longer. if you want actual things to look into one of their managers quit early on and they've talked about how profit margins on merch is low to nonexistent

>>54181875
Anon, sounds like you are smart enough to have all the stuff needed, doesnt sound too sure if corp as a whole is involved on harassment unless management+upperups knowingly condone it

Sounds like you have no reason to stay other than letting them torture you, so who are you defending by not speaking up, the people that harassed you? Is debuting worth it, and is that gonna make this stop?

>>54182046
Profit margins seems the closest to true stuff, the rest seems a bit idealized like everyone always does but there may be something it came from so worth a look maybe

>>54181791
Choco isn't one of them

>>54180095
>>54180259
>>54180287
>>54180516
I think I can share this much concerning Yuri and L*mi. I hope this leads more crediblity to the rest of the things I said.

>>54182046
God you Kawaii faggots are always so defensive of your black corpo.

There's a reason half the company left and it's not because muh GFE.

>>54181546
I wouldn't be surprised if Kawaii budget is low atm. They just finished investing in 3d for their concert, their gen 3 putting them in the red after leaving (all of the models were high quality), and a couple of their girls have outfits in the making and they probably finished with the gen 4 models rigging as well.
Koshita is rich so he probably doesn't mind as long as the company doesn't put him in debt and the 3d asset is still there.

If you see this, I'm sorry if you're upset I shared it.
I will never say who you are.

>>54182230
Oh shit.

Thanks for your service.

>>54182230
Damn someone actually posted new shit.

>>54182230
This literally just reads as people outside of the company gossiping about Lumi.

>>54182230
pretty sure I've already seen this posted /here/ a few times

>>54182436
This has never been posted before.

>>54182230
From knowing how it gets, checks out in lending more credibility, still could be faked ofc and no names, but you risked a lot with the info shared so i believe you and a lot would, but acting on it is another story

Thank you for the info, i know it takes guts

discord thread...

>>54182421
That’s how most vtuber leaks will be honestly, which makes everything that much harder to prove. get used to it

>>54182413
>>54182393
You're welcome. I really hate Lumi very much

>>54182460
Surprise surprise, most vtubers talk to each other on discord.

>>54182471
I know some people that hate her because of their experiences working with her, small world or a LOT of people

I'm surprised how many leaker appeared with the this thread. Where you all have been?

>>54182466
Then this entire thread is retarded and pointless if people who aren't involved are the ones leaking shit they experience second hand.

>>54182494
NTA but I could name at least 20 people I interact with who dislike her for their own personal reasons.

>>54182507
Nah, we know its not enough to prove but we can know what to watch out for, not useless

>>54182537
whomst?

>>54182507
Did it take you this long to realize this is just a gossip thread?

>>54182421
It corroborates contextual clues of Lumi's problems and personality, such as her being alienated from everyone in cyberlive, despite everyone else being on good terms with each other.

>>54182309
i've stopped watching kawaii after gen 3 left but believe what you want. making a long list doesn't make things more believable.

>>54182500
I'm usually posting in /pcg/ about how I hate Lumi, and ended up spawning several memes about her.

>>54182547
>we

>>54182570
>such as her being alienated from everyone in cyberlive
Like those discord leaks that actually HAD the talents in them shit talking Lumi?

>>54182507
I mean... obviously. First hand accounts should be the only ones taken seriously.

>>54182507
Insider here, cover prevented akai haato from streaming the last few months because she got pregnant. They're trying to get her to leave on her own but it's not working. Will probably be a full termination like kaoru from holostars

>>54182594
Think im too stupid for hoping more people here have reasonable sense of jusgement? Then again it is vt

>>54182623
Because they hate her and Sei, her former? pet doxxer schizo fucker.

Lumi simps say its sour grapes, but not true in the least.

>>54182507
first handers don’t wanna risk it, they’re scared. they have something to lose, so they tell others and the others do the dirty work. that or they have multiple personas to leak. if your ceo stalks the board youre less likely to personally go on there, just send a messenger. when you’re in third person you get plausible deniability. “I didn’t know they would share” and you get off with a slap on the wrist

>>54182500
A revolver only has 6 rounds

>>54182623
Yes, but they don't provide the full context as to why she's disliked. And no, it's not just jealousy.

>>54182655
Yes anon you are a retard if you genuinely believe what you just posted, even more so than the retards that would take baseless gossip from this thread and loop it for months

>>54182652
Godspeed whistleblower, you put yourself at so much risk so i have to believe you

>>54182554
all Gen 3 allegedly.

>>54182637
First or second hand either way both need either source or enough info that checks out with facts to have validity

>>54182121
I left that agency, I'm now an independent vtuber and I'm doing well, I also cut off contact with everyone involved.
I don't really talk about it in public because I feel brainwashed after all this, I used to think that pedophilia was okay even (now im not minor and I get that idea was stupid). So I want to go further in my psychiatric treatment to give my testimony, since I myself have many confusing ideas about this.

One of cover's staff raped me before debut.

>>54182500
Man, all these leakers just happened to show up specifically for this thread, weird how that works out

Let's not confuse menial, harmless gossip for what it actually is: Lumi basically convinced Yuri to sign over her IP, despite the dangers associated with such a move.

Regardless of how you feel about Lumi, this was scummy as fuck of Phase Connect to take away her model and IP.

>>54182795
I am on 4chan pretty often, I'm glad I found this thread on my own. I check the catalog 5-10 times a day typicaly

>>54182766
Cook that corp

What exactly stops someone from making fake discord logs about some fake rrat that gets posted on this thread?

>>54182805
>it was revealed to me in a dream

how many anons are we gonna name? so far we got opog-chan and pirate-chan i think opog-chan will be here tomorrow but pirate-chan is probably gone for good opog is my oshi whoever she actually is

>>54182805
>grown woman signs contract
>breaks contract
>consequences
I can’t believe this, literally a black company.

>>54182839
Tell em sister

>>54182839
My uncle works at 4chan and inspects every discord screencap when they are posted

>>54182839
literally nothing, discord screenshots that don’t have official accounts attached are useless and should be taken with an ocean of salt

>>54182839
What do you mean? All discord screenshots are always real.

>>54182709
Nice, then "we" are all retards together, nothing changes

>>54182766
Best luck to you with working out the issues from that shit experience, do whatever you need to make your life yours again and not let that memory fuck with you

>>54182805
Someone with sense, A doesnt mean B doesnt exist, if true, but sources needed

>>54182839
Nothing, anyone who takes a discord screen as proof is mad, but theres some useful stuff and most trolls are too lazy to make a good one so it cuts down false rumors and that means less rumors to keep an eye out for signs and proof that could make them true

>>54182950
If all screenshots can be faked, why do you fags keep complaining no one posts them, but then complain when someone actually does. When screenshots line up with common viewpoints and information we've heard, its easier to believe a screenshot like the one talking about Lumi and Phase.

>>54182909
We don't know what the contract included, but it still doesn't give them the right to take away her IP. In fact, even letting such a contract be a thing should have never been allowed.

>>54182934(My nephew)
>>54182839
I can give you my guarantee that all the discord screencaps so far have been 100% legit, however I will remain ever vigilant, just in case someone may be telling lies on 4chan.

>>54183032
while we all believe it shouldn’t be the right, legally they might have had it. it’s immoral, but not criminal

>>54182906
who even is pirate-chan? like where is the nickname even coming from im new

>>54183029
Screenshots are good and help, just not enough unless the info on them is unique and cant be easily faked or can be traced, you can never be 100 percent sure of anything but you can go up in the scale

>>54183083
That's the definition of a black company kek

I wish I could share the rest of the things I have about Lumi, but I only had one I felt safe giving away here.

>>54183032
No matter what Yuri did, the business practice of being able to take her IP when invaders is advertised as a way to join the company with your existing IP sounds fucking scummy, and if you think otherwise you're insane. They should've at the very least kept whatever they gave her during her time in Phase, and let her keep everything she had from before she joined.

I'm in Hololive EN3

>>54183098
pirate-chan leaked pixellink nda to prove she spoke with the ceo about the disgusting 70/20-30 pay cut, but also said how to help the talents since they get 90% of merch sales.

>>54183129
no way post yagoo cock now

This is now a henri and seething femanon thread

I hope my friend won't hate me for what I posted today.

>>54183149
I guess pirate came from the fact her was avenging herself and a friend from being badly led on, but also wanting to help the talents. shes insane needless to say. even admitting to giving corpos fake names, so maybe she wanted to take down pixellink and whatever other corpo for the hell of it

I have rrats on Prism

>>54181546
bad rrat for anyone who actually watches streams, sees those dono bars, and does the math on Kawaii's cut
get better material

>>54183149
Is there evidence for this?

>>54181484
The amount of wrong things on this discredits it entirely.

>>54183127
"Give us your model and character and IP so you feel cozy with it and your fans, it is not to get your fanbase and cut costs, we will keep it after you leave because we gave you so much other than the smaller cut of money since we did so much work, done for most part by staff we pay a fraction of what CEO and upper management get"

And people say it isnt evil, whoever says it is fine because it is legal or talents know when they sign are radioactive

>>54183276
only proof is her word, another person who got to interview vouching, and her nda

>>54183245
it's not even a rrat, Kawaii is definitely ran on a very tight budget, probably self-sustaining using merch and donations. I doubt they have any investing and the CEO net worth is only used as an insurance for setting up big events like the 3D concert, which is then actually paid using the donos and crowdfunding money

>>54183149
That split isn't even true and their story isn't lining up. In order to go to the first interview (like every other agency) they make you sign a NDA. He was upfront about the split from the first interview and he said intentionally set it so talents take the majority cut when I asked. I don't remember the exactly split details though but I can try to find my notes. Considering she was also rejected, I would just have to assume she is still seething and trying to bring them down. I can answer other questions.
t. actual insider

>>54183441
I have a friend who interviewed. Share the notes, I'll cross-compare with her.

>>54183334
I guess this is good enough for /vt/

>>54183441
>like every other agency
you’re full of shit kill yourself

>>54183441
Never mind I found the notes. It is 60/40 with 60 going to talents across the board. No special cut for merch. No idea what the other anon was on about here but they clearly are intentionally lying or using a friend's screenshots who got into larp. I was told to reapply so I would rather avoid sharing too much more since I don't want to get me blacklisted.

>>54183508
Maybe, not for kuro though, if things dont line up then we knock it down to speculation on the list but we had two people saying similar things so worth looking into

>>54183508
how exaclty would she even prove it? record the interview? only way to find out is if someone leaks the contract or gets a talent to spill. both being unlikely. going as far to risk being found out has me inclined to believe her

>>54183508
This thread isn't about anything besides catalog watching tribalfags attacking other small corpos under the guise of "protecting indies from black companies"

>>54183522
Every agency I have auditioned with requires a NDA for the first interview. Even the shitter companies I applied to in the past. It is quite standard and common knowledge.

>>54183567
notes aren’t exactly the most reliable either, sorry

>>54183605
I’ve auditioned and made it to final selection several times and haven’t had to, what kind of agencies are you applying to? Am I just lucky?

>>54183584
If shes full of shit then there’s basically no risk at all posting some shit on /vt/

>>54183634
I gave a screenshot of the email they sent me after the interview. The same thing the other anon did that everyone here believed. Maybe they told her something different but I got interviewed back in December early into the auditions so the only thing I can think of is they might have lowered their split? Seems quite a drastic drop off though.

thread's social engineering game is weak. This is what happens when you do nothing but gossip all day about corpos you don't like and forget what an actual investigation looks like

>>54183584
>being found out
doing what? posting nonsense on vt?

>>54183675
wouldn’t pixellink try to snoop her out? theres definitely risk, im sure actual ndas have legal names and not vtuber personas.

>>54183567
>>54183584
>>54183634
Okay so two anons say stuff about the interview 70-30 or 70-20 with a technicality of 10 percent to some shit, one of them shows believable NDA document screenshot from phone, said they took a long time to answer, and now one says notes they took are different

I think the first sound more valid but still we should get more info to make them as valid, far from confirmation

I knew 77/33 was too good to be true

>>54183814
>77/33
Gura.... your math reps

>>54183721
literally slander right? can’t you get sued for that? of course she’s biased cause she got rejected, but but what she leaked could be true, which means a bunch of talents are trapped for 2 years with a dogshit cut. that or the ceo gave different talents different cuts, meaning you and her are both right and she was about to get fucked over.

>>54183740
I don’t think you understand what i’m getting at, if shes making everything up, there is no NDA to worry about. I can tell you I work for pixellink and nobody can actually prove otherwise.

>>54182784
Yeah me

I personally find it hard to believe 3 anons who interviewed with Pixel are all here. Seems like a massive drama publicity stunt over an obviously faked split.

>>54183921
the nda she leaked had the ceos full name, I don’t think anyone would share that with friends to leak unless they were equally insane

>>54183970
It is on a public business register it is not hard to find to be fair desu

>>54183946
you would be shocked, 1000+ applicants mostly being preexisting vtubers of course a lot of them lurk and even post on 4chan

>>54183914
I “could be” a bike if I had wheels. Stop parading gossip around as facts unless you have hard evidence like the auroralive contract

>>54184005
Careful there i can see you in the dark, check the image first and make sure you can find the name on the public register then fake the image for us, until then pirate-chans claim with someone else posting confirmation, being the first, is not confirmation but very believable

>>54183914
>trapped in a 2 year contract
dyrbi? talents leave before contracts are up all the time and nobody enforces it. if they signed back in december they are 8 or so months in already.

>>54183914
a startup does not have the resource to sue a literally who anonymous user

>>54182500
To be honest we all thought that mods would ban us if we started talking about how a corpo is run.

>>54175408
Can confirm about phase. We also all hate Lumi and hope she leaves.

>>54184154
I could leak the pirate model then would you all relax and believe the 70/20 split is bullshit? That is basically all I can do

>>54184209
Lumi here, don’t believe this person

>>54184005
>>54151835

>>54175375
I can drop info about kawaii.

>>54184248
worst case shes right, she got interviewed and got a shitty cut offer which means another agency is greedy
best case, note taker is right and they have an actually decent cut. either way neither one of you are totally provable. pirate posted email nda which gives her a little more credibility. or she’s insane. PixelLink has done nothing compared to the other alleged shit in this thread

>>54184212
Out of curiosity what do you gain from defending them so vehemently?

schizophrenic thread

Here's the first draft of the guide:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1OEwDNmCTa7qu0XvD87i49_UJgQjQeS_qsnSCg8KyS3k
Remember to open it in incognito or in private browsing.

I wanted to add hyperlinks, but I'll do that once you guys are good putting it in the OP with some other website that doesn't show viewer info.

>>54175408
>Phase Connect
>>Supposedly blacklisted by major indies, other companies, and irl conventions for being a brand risk

Definitely in rrat territory, with some points for the rrat and some against.

For: Tenma (Gen 1, one of the biggest PC talents) talked about how she wanted some collab and was denied because of Phase's rep. No mentions of what the collab was, if it was a corpo or an indie, or even if it was a vtuber at all - Tenma does fleshtuber collabs too. Could be evidence of a real corpo blacklist, could be just a random act of "political" dumbfuckery on behalf of a random streamer.

Against: Pippa (Gen 1, No. 1 in PC, menhera, yabs hard enough to give PC the aforementioned bad rep) getting positive mentions or DMs from Kson (VShojo, and a goddamn living legend), Filian (one of the top Twitch indies, somewhat influential in the indie space), as well as some lesser indies and small corpos. She got acknowledged by some Holos too.

IRL conventions: PC appeared at a whole bunch of convos just this year - they were was a major presence at OffKai, they had something small at AnimeExpo and ANIME Impulse, and I'm almost certain there was something else I'm forgetting.

The reasons why PC doesn't collab with the big names are obvious enough without involving rrats. PC is only big by "small corpo" metrics - most of their talents aren't big enough to be on the collab radar for big corpos or large indies. And Pippa, the biggest and the most recognizable talent in PC, is an absolute menhera about collabs, especially ones that would be "punching up".

If you know of other PC talents that mentioned experiences similar to Tenma's, or non-PCs that talked about PC - do reply.

>>54184384
He gets paid to damage control

>>54184418
Pretty cringe that 4chan is playing HR.

I'm sure "pirate" keks everytime someone parrots 70/20

Anyone has info on Project F ?

>>54184482
It would be so funny if she lied though like imagine going through the effort of faking entire emails just to fuck with /vt/ losers

>>54182230
That's not even a leak. Even if the people talking aren't nonames, it just looks like the usual "corpo man bad" rumor mill. Nothing of substance.

Lumi also hinted that she kept her IP, so something shady's going on. Not to mention that losing IP is not a reason in itself to quit streaming - as shown, well, by Yuri herself, among many others.

>>54184483
Pretty sad a lot of chuubas need the advice because of abusive corpos.

>>54184425
pixelshill

>>54184581
Or people can not be total retards? If you get a contract that you don't like don't sign it.

>>54184627
Contracts don't make them immune to abuse, retard.

Here is a small preview of the pirate model eyes. They announced the illustrator was Mairo publically for some proof so you can compare and reverse image search. I am only defending this company because I would like to know real information about black companies as an auditionee and make this a place of real valuable information. You should be very hesitant to trust over-the-top posts like a laughable split of 20 percent or an entire gen walked before debut. Most companies I have talked to are around the 50/50 mark and at least in my experience were professional. Then again I am not applying for the obviously shitter ones like Amber Glow. The real Pixel split is 60/40 with the company getting the 40. I will not post anything else other than the Akio Air process was a joke with all the talents being doxxed in the process and a lot of drama in their audition server. I did like Phase and Pixel management when I interviewed with them.

>>54184604
Is pirate-chan making you work overtime?

>>54184419
>For: Tenma
She did actually say the collab was for a speedrunner that turned her down.

>>54184648
This thread would have actual legitimacy if anons actually cared about actual abuse and didn't attribute every stupid shit to being a black corpo. Crying wolf at every perceived slight only makes it harder to take anything seriously.

>>54184658
>Akio Air talents getting doxxed

Elaborate. Or you’re just another liar because you’re pissed you got rejected from them. Pirate-chan is never coming in here again and people who took her at face value wouldn’t deserve a spot in a good agency.

>>54184761
>This thread would have actual legitimacy
>this thread
>on /vt/

>>54184658
how come they didn’t use this model? sounds like a black company and everyone involved needs to be killed immediately

>>54184692
She must have talked about it at multiple points in time then. Got a link to the one with more details?

>>54184797
I guess doxxed is over the top but they are the only audition I have done where they make you join a Discord server and you can see all the other applicants. The interviews are in a OPEN vc others can join. It felt very uncomfortable and some people used their real names on their Discord profiles but when Jason was scheduling them he used their VTuber name. Also just so this is clear I didn't get rejected from Akio I turned them down because the entire process was weird. Another anon mentioned the Discord server in another post.

>>54184893
I read on the other anon. got any info on what happened there?

>>54184576
is there any connection between a real email and a real 70/20 (kek)

>>54184761
I didn't cry wolf and I risked a friendship to post what I posted.

>>54184761
It's better to have some idea about a corpo than to go in blind, and yes, that includes both serious abuse and minor infractions. They compound and can cause someone harm, wasting time and energy on a corpo that doesn't deserve it.

>>54184928
her motive: we do a little trolling

>>54184928
It could've just been massive bait to get someone with actual knowledge to spill. I am not sure why any anon would seriously believe a 70/20 split in the first place.

>>54185010
that makes her more of a genius. but what if shes legitimately right? like anon said earlier, both of you being told different things. maybe she was young and inexperienced so pl thought they could get her with it

Phase Connect "entire Gen3 leaving" smells like a total shizo rrat, and I didn't find any proof of it at all.

An entire gen just fucking off is usually an impossible-to-conceal drama shitshow. It wouldn't end at /vt/ vagueposting, that's for sure.

>>54184913
Which part exactly?

>>54185130
the discord server, someone getting sabotaged for a joke?

>>54184418
This is good anon, amazing work, this is gonna do real good, ill make sure of it

>>54185150
I think what they are referring to is a vtuber talking about wanting to kill herself in the audition discord server and Jason (The Akio Air CEO) having to make a statement on it.

>>54184483
It's all retarded sisters and male leftoids, what do you expect

we need fresh bread

I suggest
>77/33 edition

>>54185122
I don't buy it either. I hope that it's fake, or if true, that someone posts proof.

>>54185206
apparently a few people got taken out? Is that true?

>>54185206
doesnt every vtuber do that

>>54185341
It was one person who wasn't allowed to speak in the public channels anymore unless I missed something. Akio was the worst audition I have done by far. Is an audition Discord server a common thing? I have never been invited to one before.

>>54185241
my suggestion
>pirate-chan’s tall tales edition

>>54185427
not that I know of.

>>54185427
Seems rare

>>54184880
I was misremembering. I went back and she didn't specify it was a speedrunner. I think I just made the assumption that it was at the time because she was doing a bunch of speed run stuff.

>>54185122
>>54185265
I think its likely gonna be fake but worth checking out

Alright reposting the list send any important updates we should readd

>>54185427
do YOU remember the AkioLair?

Anons here should post dirty rrats about cover to dissuade people from applying so that i can get in. The less competition the better.

>>54185547
kek, that place is opaque as fuck. Doesn't help the few talents that left have never spoken poorly about them.

>>54185600
Rushia...Coco...Sana...

>>54185524
add
-pixel might not be that bad, but we don’t totally know. two people leaked different things that dont exactly prove their claims, only that they were interviewed
-akioair not black company just weird auditions and kicking out an auditioner for kms joke
-the google doc about how to stay safe while whistleblowing

>>54185547
At least you own up to it, people dont realize that potential of counterintelligence lmao, this is why we need sources to try helping corposlaves get out from kurocorps