/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

If you really want to keep on talking about this topic please use this.

Thanks anon. As a former corpo chuuba I’m interested in other girl’s experiences.

>>54154776
Same here. These corpos can keep mistreating more talents because of how hush hush everything is kept

>>54153831

amazing idea but doesn't seem like it will ever happen, it's a fish eats fish world out there

>>4138708
I think I know this chuuba.
I really hope I don't know this chuuba.

this is op of the original, i cant believe my vent got this far. this isnt how I expected to get a thread in my name haha but, thank you to everyone who listened and to anyone who felt less alone because i spoke up. we will all make it to the other side.

>>54154532
A summary of newish information from last thread

RE:HOPE
>Posted and deleted a statement about the firing of a talent
>https://docs.google.com/document/d/1cvhcltntyki0-Tj2NxU_9Sx2Cjo9QhaD5v_knDZXFCs
>Large amount of staff left
>CEO has past history fucking up another corpo
>Talent expected to leave soon

PixelLink
>Predatory cut of 70 to company, 20 to talent

Phase Connect
>50/50 cut
>Gen 3 is leaving
>Blacklisted by major indies and other companies

Idol
>Mostly good things so far but one person claims that they feel lead on by the corpo

Cyberlive
>CEO dated underage manager, also claims of abusing and cheating on her
>70% cut to talent, 30% cut to company

Prism Project
>More claims of bad management

Tsunderia
>Claims of half the talents disliking the other half

Reposting
>>54153802

ReHope:
> Two statements about the CEO and a mega folder of files, deleted public tweet firing reads like a tantrum, lots of staff left, CEO fucked up on a previous corpo too, at least one of the talents will soon leave, essentially incompetence and exploiting staff and talents

PixelLink:
> Predatory cuts and likely other stuff, leading on people getting recruited, somewhat validated by showing the contract here, more info needed

EIEN:
> We know there's dirt, just waiting for someone to come out with it

+OP's corp

We need more substantial info on other microcorps

>>54155064
Thanks anon yours is better and beat me to the punch

How do we know this is not another Idolcorp psy-op

>>54155064
I can confirm some of these being true since I talked with the talents involved in these corpos. In Cyberlive, Misaki was never paid for her work as the manager and sole person running the operations and when she quit because of it, everything went to hell.
For Prism, their management is awful because they hired some really infamous bad managers from other corpos, this is why they're ineffectual and useless.

>>54154532
that thread is grim

>>54154965
feel free to share more info if it won't put you at risk, and thank you for starting the thread, they get away with this stuff because everyone is afraid to speak out and be alone

screw it lets unionize.

>>54155304
until someone comes forth with information on idol being bad, we don't have much on them. Just one or two people who've been in the audition process and only had good to say about them. If you have something bad to share, please feel free

Damn, I like pixellink girls way more than idol2, sucks that they get crumbles.

>>54155472
Different anon but this is all I could've ever hoped for so long. I really feel happy after the last thread.

>>54155619
ok then
i heard idol is bad, they led me on and kept me in the dark for a long time
kek this thread

>>54155304

>>54155725
me too, it makes my vent feel more worthwhile, lets free ourselves everyone

>>54155064
>Idol
>Mostly good things so far but one person claims that they feel lead on by the corpo
There was a bit of drama where the CEO contacted an artist for some animation commission and behaved very unprofessionally. I think it was Idol, if I am remembering correctly...
I'll try and find info if I can and post it.

>>54155619
That's why we need to start with the small ones and go after the rest later, someone put it best on the original thread "burn the small fish and cook the big one with the fire", plus small ones get away with a lot more but are easier to fuck up

>>54155912
definitely idol, they tried to scam someone by never paying them for their art until called out

>>54154849
Yeah I recognize that, but I proposed that because the model would be more profitable for everyone involved, more safeguards for the talents would be instituted, and a more professional corps of management staff would naturally arise. It’s all about the money and emulating proven ecksboxhueg entertainment conglomerates could yield massive dividends for everyone involved.

Maybe one night your oshi unboxes a new Samsung fridge while the next she interviews a small business owner or heroic EMS worker who saved a bunch of lives a week or a month prior. Maybe radio stations will enter into zatsudan deals with agencies designated by the “league”. Perhaps actual mental health professionals will be provided adequately for talents of all sizes. Streaming deals where different platforms pay money for simulcast rights for, say, Apex Tournaments or hyped cross agency collabs so their advertisers can access the audience.

And while this is objectively a terrible thing, your oshi could be pulling in an extra 20k a month if her agency or the regulator is running FanDuel or Caesar’s Sportsbook ads between her ranked matches of League or something. “How many times will Mori guh? How many autistic screeches will Pippa utter? How many times will Enna recycle the same jokes about being painfully single? Construct your parlay now!”

Pipe dream but these are the trappings of wealth and legitimacy that an umbrella regulator could offer, even if the overhead looks hella steep.

>>54155912
It was a huge nothing burger since the artist just said the CEO didnt pay her on time but did apologize and pay her when she sent another DM. There are way worse stuff other people in other small corpos did to artists.

>>54155912
Oh I remember what you're talking about. Can't find the twitter thread though. Was it deleted?

>>54155912
Yeah, that was them. They payed once it blew up on twitter.

>>54155912
The "woman" in question was a complete retard who didn't even know how to send an invoice.

>>54156090
Based
Idolcorp strong
Other corps bad

>>54156090
Forgot to include in >>54155064 someone in last thread said Phase doesn't pay their clippers well.

>>54155903
>>54155730
same, trying to speak up and see other people see this kind of shit doesnt make me feel as powerless while these pretend corps lead you on and dont take responsibility, im tired of everyone avoiding the issue because theyre afraid but the shit sticks with you anyways, funny enough acting on it makes it less

>>54153831
This will not work because first and foremost all small corpos would have to put their cards on the table and if it’s as bad as people claim not possible. Next up scouts would have to be shared and not trying to one up the other which is also difficult. And finally investors would have to change to sponsors which is very hard sell with them across different lines. Even if by some miracle you could get past these it would be closer to shark tank than a NBA draft as they would be selling themselves

If Hololive and Niji decided to be chairman it would make all earlier reasons irrelevant and make it as close to the league as possible even though it doesn’t help them. 3 downsides though amount of debuts per corporation, how trades would be allowed, and fairness. For all 3 you would have to kneecap Nijisanji and Hololive which once again doesn’t help them.
Personally I think they should buy certain small corpos and subsidize them. Adds to money both can make helps talents on both ends and if they add a rewards system that let’s you eventually join them best case scenario. Even Leaving Niji and Holo puts you in better position than you would have been as in indie or any small corpo

>>54156302
anon i was literally making fun of this thread by spouting unsubstantiated bullshit that everyone is taking at face value
but go on with your strange therapy session

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>>54156642
oh i LOVE diamonds!! save me a slice!

>>54156090
There's always a worse corpo dude, are we gonna ignore bad ones because they're not big enough, where have the good old days gone

>>54156503
person last thread posted proof of their NDA. most people cant show proof without risk of being sued, but the open discussion has allowed anons to share their experience, and other anons have been able to confirm the experiences of others and add on more info. Everything lines up. If you don't believe it, at least we do, because we relate to each other and have witnessed similar things first hand. This has been our best opportunity so far to talk about what goes down in these corpos, because they work so hard to silence us when we're on our own.

>>54155152
Just wanna thrown in a lesser known black company corp, Bondlingo or BondEN. And then there's AuroraLiveVR which has talents graduating every other day.

>>54156708
No worries we have a lot in stock!

>>54155675
They could always just jump ship after their contract ends

>>54156718
Oh goodie, I can’t wait to shit on some corpos I don’t like, while protecting those I do. Because anyone will believe it~

>>54156371
Wouldn’t be ALL of HoloLive and ALL of Niji in the league. I’m proposing this as an Anglosphere only setup. We’d need to subsidize the creation or expansion of enough agencies (of similar financial heft to HoloEN and NijiEN) to have an evenly sized “bracket” if you will for gaming tournaments or the like. Much like how in the NBA, franchises like Boston, Los Angeles L, Philadelphia, and Golden State have some kind of added mystique and weight of history versus newer franchises like Charlotte or Memphis, prestige isn’t an issue. Micro corpos would act as an NCAA or a G League with subsidies from bigger agencies looking to use the small time to develop their drafted prospects, evaluate international girls, or give undrafted girls who aren’t quite big league caliber but good at something a place to go.

The draft wouldn’t look like Shark Tank as each agency’s scouts would go and gauge interests in different indies or English speakers from outside the league. Say, if Tsunderia joined the association, Purin flamed out to become a mostly Tagalog chuuba, and then XYZlive or some other corpo decides to bring her on during the free agency signing period a year or two later. But a draft order would be determined by the league, with agencies picking their next generation of debutantes (standardized training and acclimation period) away from the public eye and according to their own private big boards. For example, CyberLive “drafts” a new 2view in the fourth round who’s got potential but isn’t quite ready for the limelight, super raw and inexperienced, so they stash her in Stellux, periodically calling her up for collabs with the main agency as needed until she’s ready for a guaranteed contract with the big girls.

>>54156906
Oh yeah BondEN is a huge shitshow. Awful contracts, meetings early in the mornings with clueless japanese manager. Also their cuts are incredibly shit too. Everyone who joined them regretted it which is why they had an exodus of talent and I was part of that.

Does anyone have any dirt on NexStage? They had a 3D concert in a bathroom, two talents leave right after debut, and another talent just left two months ago.

>>54156080
I think this type of model and plan is great and sounds amazing, everyone could win a lot more and it could bring a level of legitimacy to the corps joining in.

Just one small issue, the existing system works great for big corps and medium ones with resources, and they have independency.. those that want to "break off from the mold" will not subscribe to this model.

Actually, there's another issue, and it is that a lot of small and mid corps are led by people that have an emotional sense of owning the place and don't want to compromise if they don't have to.

The vtubing industry does not act like a single collective, the fans do, and the companies aren't professional enough nor have enough practical incentives to undertake the work needed to establish this as a collective, this being the best thing for the stability of the individual collective workers on the field is irrelevant without a large enough group with the opinion wanting it, and everyone on it bows down to the lightshow.

>>54155064
>>54155152
You forgot Kawaii

>>54156718
You legend, hell yeah

>>54155912
Yeah that's what I meant last thread by them bitting off more than they can chew, they are just trying to do a lot of things at the same time and forget they're a small corpo. Which comes with positive things like they invest and spend lot of money on projects but they're overwhelmed behind the scenes.. If my contacts are correct they might be starting EN3 stuff sooner than they did last time with EN2

>>54157363
>they had an exodus of talent
only 4 of their talents have graduated??

>>54157386
They were just in over their head, nothing malicious about them, and the talent who just left is in VNU new gen

List of corpos I can think of that haven't had much talk on yet that I'd love the hear about.

>AkioAir
>HavenX
>HEAVENREND
>Kawa
>Amber Glow
>VReverie
>V&U
>Lucid/4VLive

>>54157533
Hi! I found this thread again.

>>54156906
I remember watching Bajiru back when she was part of BondEN, I always wondered what happened there

I have some insider info about Nijisanji (outside of EN). They make talents package and send all their merch by themselves, managers take a month or more to respond to their messages, and overall are doing almost nothing for their talents. I don't know if it's the same on the EN side, but it could very well be.

>>54157785
Bajiru is fucking awesome, I just wish she’d talk in her lower register more often, it makes me feel funny things.

>>54154532
I didn't know things were this bad...

EIEN
>Internally company is a mess
>GEN1 was supposed to have 5 talents, but 1 ended up going somewhere else after their model was done.
>Company had no one properly vet the talents. Discount fauna was supposed to be someone else, instead they got kicked to GEN2 and ended up going somewhere else.
>GEN2 was supposed to be cast months ago, but by the time they got the greenlight all the prospects walked away.

>>54157703
>AkioAir
I think they're simply not making money because they take 5 years to debut per gen, but most of their talents have been sticking around.

There was a pretty interesting company meltdown recently with Kometa where the entire company imploded.

>>54158091
>>Company had no one properly vet the talents.
Give me some proof, because that's hard to believe.

>>54157422
Better to be first in hell, I guess, if you’re treating the agency you founded as a playground for harem LARPing or other weeaboo nonsense. And that’s the charitable interpretation, most would see it as your being, in the words of the TV show Succession, “unserious people”. As for those who pride themselves on being mavericks who own their own shit, but actually adhere to general standards of goodwill and/or competency from the top down, your talents can make up for the vanilla status of league membership with big enough personalities and provocative statements. “We talking about 7th Fes practice?” “Kaneko Lumi is an emotional lesbian.” “So, who’s coming in second on the Playboard rankings?”

As I said, pipe dream, unless some megarich barons decided to pool money into a VTubing association, and grab some down-on-his-luck but whip smart lawyer with an Ivy League degree to be commish…and invested in brand name recognizable corpos to be the pillars of the league starting out.

>>54158321
OH I FORGOT

The joint anti-defamation task force Niji and Holo reportedly set up could work as a good starting point for a more “organic” creation of such a league

>>54155064
>Phase Connect
>Gen 3 is leaving
>Blacklisted by major indies and other companies
I haven't seen the rrats about Gen 3. QRD? Now I'm interested.
Also the blacklist I'm not surprised. Many take the edgyness too seriously.

Please tell me who are in phase connect gen 3 the wiki is not helping me.

>>54154532
I’d also like to point something out that we should be wary of when discussing things in this thread. A "black company general" is another vt microcosm within vt and is where all the cucks and grifters will go to dump their rrats, because they know that’s the place to go looking for dirt and drama.

I’d like it if CONSTRUCTIVE solutions to fixing this shit were what folks primarily talked about in here.

>>54158816
They haven't even been announced yet

>>54158610
Lumi

>>54158940
So this is 100% rrat.

>>54158945
I'm a retard. Of course it's Lumi.

>>54158940
Then how do people even know about this, I find it hard to believe for an entire gen to get canned specially on a small corpo with how expensive the entire process is

>>54159078
Does PC have custom made models?

>>54159150
They do premades

i love vtubing

yuko's stream is lagging for me so poko it is.

>>54158816
I think it's referring to their third wave, the phase invaders

>>54158176
How fucking dumb?
>Riifu
>Kiki
There. Thats all the fucking proof you need that they didnt even bother checking shit.

>>54158610
Gen 3 is rumored to be trying to leave Phase, but are stuck paying off the debt of what Phase already invested into their models and assets.
Phase is said to be blacklisted by major indies, other companies, and irl conventions for being a brand risk, Pippa's Hogwarts legacy thing, and Lumi using her previous company's genmates' models during April Fools.

>>54159358
>proved that you are just a shitter
This is why I told you we don't need another thread.

>>54159176
They do custom, actually. They had 2 or so premades but no one took them. The model the manager, Nikki has is a premade no one wanted.

>>54159236
I see we have something in common
Want to be friends?

>>54158091
Lmao what these dumb rrats you got

>>54159365
Sounds like bullshit.

>>54159273
No, we're referring to Gen 3. Invaders is not gen 3. Phase's Gen 3 that is upcoming later this year.

>>54159422
Hi Eri.
Your corpo is as black as the night and I hope all your Gen2 candidates ghost you (if they even exist).

>>54159517
then that's even worse

>>54159150
They tried to push premades on Gen 3 on the basis that the models were already made. Problem though is you have Idol shilling that the talent get to have whatever......which ends up being mostly cunnies.

>>54159524
You are also a riiflingschizo I see.

>>54159504
Invaders is not the same as gen 3.

>>54158898
How do you plan to be constructive about black companies? First, things have to come to light, let's not point fingers without some weight to things but also we cant just spend all day theorizing about unrealistic things and make that the main thing, nothing gets done that way

Surprised nobody's said any kuro stuff about kawa entertainment yet.

Inb4 this is all Holo and Niji shills trying to make everyone else look worse.

>>54155064
I hope some of the Re:hope talents find a way to let some of us know where they will go, the talents seem nice at least. Same goes for Pixel if they also collapse.

>>54159569
And a Gen full of cunny plus the occasional sultry leggy girl is based.
I just wish they had some blonde Christmas cake types.
>>54159611
Just don’t watch them, don’t spread unsubstantiated rumors, and I guess try to speak with unified voices over what sort of accountability the audience wants to see?

Dirt on corps


CONFIRMED>

RE:HOPE
>Posted and deleted a statement about the firing of a staff with accusations of
>https://docs.google.com/document/d/1cvhcltntyki0-Tj2NxU_9Sx2Cjo9QhaD5v_knDZXFCs
>Large amount of staff left
>CEO has past history fucking up another corpo
>Talent expected to leave soon

PixelLink
>Predatory cut of 70 to company, 20 to talent, issues with recruitment process


NEEDS MORE VALIDATION>

Phase Connect
>50/50 cut
>Gen 3 is leaving
>Blacklisted by major indies and other companies

Cyberlive
>CEO dated underage manager, also claims of abusing and cheating on her
>70% cut to talent, 30% cut to company

EIEN
>Internally company is a mess
>GEN1 was supposed to have 5 talents, but 1 ended up going somewhere else after their model was done.
>Company had no one properly vet the talents. Discount fauna was supposed to be someone else, instead they got kicked to GEN2 and ended up going somewhere else.
>GEN2 was supposed to be cast months ago, but by the time they got the greenlight all the prospects walked away.

BondEN
>Awful contracts, cuts are incredibly shit, exploitative tendencies
>Meetings early in the mornings with clueless japanese manager
>People who joined them regretted it which is why they had an exodus of talent

NexStage
>Had a 3D concert in a bathroom
>Two talents leave right after debut, and another talent just left two months ago


UNCONFIRMED>

Nijisanji (not EN)
>make talents package and send all their merch by themselves
>managers take a month or more to respond talent messages
>doing almost nothing for talents and leeching off of them

Prism Project
>More claims of bad management

Tsunderia
>Claims of half the talents disliking the other half

Phase
>Bad pays to clippers
>Gen 3 is rumored to be trying to leave Phase, but are stuck paying off debt of what Phase already invested into their models and assets (they're making the talents pay for their models and assets? LOL)
>Supposedly blacklisted by major indies, other companies, and irl conventions for being a brand risk

Idol
>Mostly good things so far but one person claims that they feel lead on by the corpo

AuroraLiveVR
>4 talent graduations
>claims people are unhappy and that's the reason for the turnover

>>54159865
The cyberlive shit is confirmed, its why they imploded when Misaki disappeared

>>54159820
hi there

>>54159824
Shut the fuck up tripfag

>>54159957
Thanks let me check and update, let's get on this and see what stuff we can get to validate rumors or add

>>54159575
>Riifu - Multiple (MULTIPLE) personas/identities with known schizo tendencies
>Kiki - Poor as fuck opsec who openly bashed the very role/character she tries to play
Yes, very clearly were vetted properly, so clean...so good.

>>54159865
Read your own thread...
>>54155730
>>54156503

Is there any dirt on MyHolo? They lost a whole gen a while back and Miori and Moon Jelly have allegedly been open about how much they hated it but I can't find any direct quotes/timestamps. They've also lost 3 other talents and are losing another one this week.

>>54159865
ALVR has 20+ graduations this year

>>54159865
Pixel split isn't confirmed 70 to company. Even the seething rejected femanon who posted it just said they posted the screenshot to prove they interviewed, not confirming the split and mentioned NDA wasn't about that.

>>54159957
Based off what one talent told me

>Misaki quit
>CEO didnt know what to tell the talents because it would hurt morale
>put all the blame on Misaki and had Lumi take over as manager
>everything turns to shit
>in the end everyone in cyberlive made up and realized they were all bad to each other and some of them contacted Misaki to apologize to her resulting in this information

the zini

>>54159865
What kind of good does repeating this ad nauseam actually do? Unless somebody’s gone sack up and make a fact checked thing like Seafood Watch for these companies, this guide is useless

>>54159865
Holy kek I literally said I made something up and what I made up and you still posted it
Amazing list, amazing thread

>>54159865
As someone who likes PixelLink can I get a source on where you guys got that dirt? I'm worried for my Chiaki and Raki.

>>54160002
hey anon! I hope you are well! I also hope that even a single small corpo is able to both be stable and viable for a lot of chuubas to latch onto. But the vtuber sphere seems to only grant wishes through very malicious monkey paws, with no other choices.

>>54160160
How can I confirm this? It was all in a voice call over discord.

>>54160282
someone who got far into the auditions posted their NDA signing link
>>54151835

>>54160211
you forgot to mention all 9 other talents hate Lumi

>>54160369
Yes isnt that obvious?

>>54160361
So everything they say is magically true.
Surely there are no sour grapes. Surely.

>>54155064
>Tsunderia
Doesn't that company not exist anymore?

>>54159569
>ends up being mostly cunnies
That's one of their main appeals.

>>54160483
So does cyberlive. We're taking experiences from all companies whether or not they're still around or haven't debuted yet

>>54160449
I’m open on how I can prove this. I know I took notes during the interview.

>>54155304
I mean just look at the summary post, what do you think?

>>54160268
Nice try glowie, that's why theres sections for more validation and unconfirmed, look at all the spies afraid

>>54160571
Surely no sour grapes
Surely

>>54160595
The last thread had nothing bad to say about idol.

>>54160449
>rejected from audition
>Surely she wouldn't seethe or is lying!

>>54160361
Hmmm... I would be wary but I'm not ignoring it completely. Thanks anon.

If you post a rrat it has to have definitive proof or a picture of your tits.

>>54160282
>>54160361
This, yeah, got any info? We only confirmed the source with that, not the content of the contract

>>54157703
HavenX was the one pushing for the girls to shill NFTs so they fucked off.

Heavenrend seems to be relatively clean on the basis of the only graduations being health related.

AkioAir....seem to recall something about Roa Fen.

Kawa....So irrelevant but probably something is there that could do some damage.

Amber Glow...dunno, they let people leave with their models though.

Can't comment on VRevirie or V&U.

Lucid had the drama about Roza Coatl saying the word retard despite marketing the corpo as a freedom of speech thing.

>>54160361
What an elaborate shitpost
not even the same domain

>>54160612
Literally nothing there is proven except MAYBE the PixelLink shit because some femanon was stupid enough to post an email that might incriminate her.
Everything else on your list is a rrat.

>>54150745 this post had more phase info

Is this just a thread for Idol fans to make up random shit about other companies?

>>54160817 (me)
Oh, and the Re:Hope shit. But who the fuck cares about that.

>>54160755
Those types of documents don’t often come from a company’s main email address. I’ve seen enough Docusign stuff to know that small enterprises like that have thing about making random email addresses for a niche function that doesn’t actually quite exist out “on the floor” as it were

>>54160878
Yes

>>54159595
Lmao

>>54160571
Take my advice femanon. The (you)s aren't worth posting anything incriminating here considering you signed a NDA. Just warn friends privately.

>>54158945
That fucking bitch, she keeps getting away with it

>>54155064
Anything on VReverie?

>>54160900
Those are the literal only two on the CONFIRMED section for that reason, lol, learn to read

>>54160160
Pixel aren't even run by themselves, they are offloaded from a singular parent company that runs anime con booth services and also manage other smaller companies. Finding the owner is damn next to impossible and whoever says they're the owner is lying through their teeth

>>54160571
Just make sure anything you post doesnt have anything - and I mean anything - that leads back to you.
Otherwise, have fun.

>>54160648
There's really no reason to lie, the only outcome is some indies won't apply to them next round based on this.

Also we should definitely add Wactor to the list, with their... incredibly long black history

Is this a thread I can just randomly claim something about any company I don't like and everyone will believe it?

>>54161161
this is a very important rule to live by

>>54160702
The biggest thing about Kawa is that they only hire their friends. That's it.

>>54161093
You are the one going around spouting it all like its fucking facts. Majority of it is fucking rrats.

>>54161222
>There's really no reason to lie
girl is seething on behalf of her "friend" and doesn't give a fuck >>54149316

>>54160361
now you have my attention

I got interviewed by PL a while back but backed out of signing the NDA. Was told the same thing as the other PL anon however. The cut is LAUGHABLE

This thread smells Jewish and you are all retards for lapping it up

>>54161270
Sure just talk to Aviel and ask him for an incentive

>>54156933
Their contract is for 2 years anon...

>>54161270
Obivously show evidence of your claims, if you only come to post bullshit then you are no different to a /v/ smash leaker.

>>54161346
>>54161222
>>54159865
Lets look at the facts and separate things that have some source with those that seem more likely or those that are just random accusations

Dudes nothing here is fact unless it shows something not here, lets just spread awareness, confirm where we can and maybe we get a crusade out of this

>>54161515
incomprehensible message

>>54161458
So the Pixellink shit is real? Shit's fucked

>>54161602
You have to be a fucking retard to sign that.

>>54161515
My guy, Jewish companies are doing well

>>54161458
Damn, is it really that bad of a cut?

>>54160561
Oh, okay. I misinterpreted the thread then.

>>54161602
Raki.....she's way too good for them, if only she waited

So this thread is literally
>Let's make shit up about corpos so we discourage people from ever joining
I saw things being said about at least 4 of them that are absolutely not true. Post proof if you're gonna talk retarded shit.
Bullshit #1 that I saw in the previous thread : Ex tsun talents that join phase and those that remained indie hate each other.
Bullshit #2 : Phase gen 3 is leaving
Bullshit #3 from the previous thread : Kawaii is a black corpo because gen 3 walked out. Some people also point out that 3 of their girls also graduated previously but Neena was fired for staying at the company while moving and using her new persona and trying to poach Nia from Prism that almost fell for her shit and quit her company to join her. Hana and Aruru left for their own reasons and there was no bad blood with the management at all.

Also, how is a 50:50 cut or any cut stated "a dirt" on some corpo? Are you zoomers retarded? If you read the contract and don't like it, just don't fucking join. But no, you want some recognition via some of these corpos because it is easier to get noticed. You want to come in, create an army of paypigs and then fuck off to stream as an indie.
I'm sure there are some really bad corpos out there but this looks more like western roasties seething at corpos than anything else.

>>54161658
I am sometimes glad I was rejected. I can't imagine juggling the stream quota with such little pay.

>>54161839
you forgot: join idol

>>54161839
The pixellink shit has been vetted by two different people. It's not all BS

>>54161839
Where is your proof then?

>>54162005
You do realize it can be the same person posting a screenshot right?

I don't mind speaking on AuroraLive. I was apart of them about a year ago and decided not to sign.

The management spoke next to no English and they decided a random girl from EN branch got to decide everything and choose who got what model. They were mostly looking for already established indies so that they could push their brand further.
There were three tiers of models- A, S, and SS tier, I believe. SS tier were decided by higher ups in China.
They claimed to fire a their defacto EN manager girl (who was shown favoritism), but DMs leaked of them messaging her and saying to lay low for a year and they will debut her when the drama was forgotten.
Their top girl (the succubus one I can't remember the name of) was flirting with 15 year old talents, even after being informed of age. I'd have to dig for screenshots.

There is a lot more, but I'd have to go back in a lot of DMs because there was a shit ton of drama going on that caused me and others to dip

Fucking rumao. How misinformed can a thread get. Here’s something to help you earn your shekels

https://archive.palanq.win/vt/thread/22846086/#22850018

>>54162078
anon you're talking to them kek

>>54161839
Can't say who my sources are but #1 is true to some degree (not all considering Purin and Lisa are on friendly terms with Phase)

>>54157329
That’s why it will be like shark tank
>Indie comes up and sells what they can do
>Corpos discuss among themselves. Too black, too much ambitions for music or if they’re good compete with contracts
>They then follow the small corpo of their choice maybe working with 2

>>54161839
Some stuff is real, some fake, we should not say anything is real without some dirt but this thread is for those black corps we can confirm shit on, if we get some sources then we can add to that, closest thing to detective work we can do

>>54161458
Holy kek.
This is the good shit.
We need more femanons like this one and >>54151835
Keep em coming.

>>54162080
>was flirting with 15 year old talents
hot

>>54161839
your post reeks of phasefaggotry.

>>54162080
Also, you were given a 3 month trial period where if you do well you can upgrade your model and if you don't you get booted (where I assume all the grads came from so that they can reuse model on other talents in China).

if you leave you owe some ridiculous amount for model like 6k USD, I need to go find the contract because it was LAUGHABLE

>>54162355
6 fucking k?! christ

>>54162282
glow harder kike

>>54162355
You show us that contract that is BIG DIRT

>>54162501
Searching for it rn, where can I upload it?

>>54161111
It's a shadow corpo for Aviel presumably as an incubator with some doofus friend he knows as the figurehead

>>54162080
>>54162355
Time to go fishing through DMs femanon.

>>54162095
Idol really is a black company...

aw sweet, an official gossip general where dramacords and schizos and talents/employees of all the companies mentioned can pile in and try to pass rrats off as fact

Pretty sure all of Phase's problem stem purely from Pippa. All the heavy political shit she covered, open doxx talk of Holo and Niji.
A shame really, Phase has some nice girls.

>>54162564
Thanks for the bump

>>54162129
Nah. The association assigns draft order based on which of the agencies shat the bed hardest, with somewhere between the top 5-15 picks being decided by a weighted lottery. If an indie is really good, and a corpo drafting later wants her, then they can “trade up” by promising future draft compensation or sending over talents in a trade. Like an actual draft. With a combine and shit, applying to go corpo is literally just declaring for a league’s combine and that you want to be drafted in general by an agency.

Indies who want some kind of choice might have the option of withholding background checks, resumes, their portfolio, etc. from agencies who want to draft them—but that the indie herself finds undesirable.

>>54162564
glowie ignoring us asking for proof to call something fact, try harder, seethe, cope lmao you are trying too hard

Why no one talk about MyHolo TV?

>>54162564

Kawaii fired Oceane without any evidence. There is bullying in kawaii, but it's not from Nene. It's another girl that nobody would expect. Can't be too specific about who it is because it'd immediately out who I got my info from.

>>54161346
Damn it Pirate-chan, why did it have to go so wrong...

>>54162526
Upload to any anonymous upload site and send link or take screenshots and attach, Id upload if it were me

>>54162877
Its reina

>>54162095
Thank you for sharing stuff on idol instead of just accusing the thread of being an idol psyop. Add this to the list, bros.

>>54162855

>>54160147 some anon asked earlier but didn't get a response. I imagine if this thread is still up in a week we'll be getting some information from their newest graduate, if she reincarnates.

>>54161839
Hi Lumi

>>54162435
my point proven

>>54161839
>lso, how is a 50:50 cut or any cut stated "a dirt" on some corpo?
It isn't stated as dirt, its stated as leaked info on the company. Why does this scream like an angry Phase member?

>>54163210
Because it is

this is just a lolc*w thread

Something I've been interesting in, is there any evidence these companies try to put non-complete clauses in their contracts? I've seen it twice, from some random Filipino company Terumi was discussing, and WACTOR. WACTOR of course famous for putting random unenforceable legalese in their contracts and probably being the blackest of all the vtuber companies outside of mainland China. But are there any legit companies that have this as part of the contract? Also what sort of dollar amounts are being tossed around for early contract termination and are they prorated based on how long you stay with the company or how much you've earned for them?

>>54162886
Just be sure to buy their merch and don't waste your time if you don't like the cut they share that I mentioned previously. That's all from me. I'll just be another one of the indies that won't go corpo after all of this, since it seems a lot of other corpos I didn't know of are just as bad. Just know, I'm not the only one with this info and I might not be the only one brave enough to talk about it. Good luck, everyone. From "Pirate-chan"

Also yes, we are discouraging people from joining shady corpos. Thats the whole fucking point. Corpos have time and time again screwed over talents for a buck. This thread gathers the info in one place, and the talent applying can weight their pros and cons.

>>54162095
>Jew screws over Jews to get money and spend it on vtubers outside Jewland
How does this make them a black company anywhere outside Israel again?

>>54162095
this explains how and why they do things. Always felt something is off about them. Creating an unsustainable utopia for the talents to amass good pr and planning to rug pull since day one. Creating unrest in other corpo relationships with their talents using unsustainable practices while pretending to be the unity corpo. Underneath the lies they are by far the most predatory scammers in the scene. Retarded kids like OP actually believe they are the best corpo.

>>54162940
This was just a template contract with an A tier model, but some of other contracts had really crazy prices depending on model tier.

https://file.io/mmwlukME6dWN

>>54162095
Quickly went through and looks like some schizo rambling.

>>54163369
This was my goal. Okay, that's all for real now.

>>54163330
the company i'm in has a non-compete clause, but it's not enforceable in the country the company is based in or the country i'm living in.

>>54158091
you're an absolute retard to think you can pull your corporate boot licking bullshit in a thread like this. EIEN is as black as the night, and it's good Riifu got out.

>>54162095
oh hey it's the original schizo who said it was a rugpull and they would never debut anyone and that >we as nonviewers should all care because of the heckin investors

>>54162696
>Pretty sure all of Phase's problem stem purely from Pippa
Imagine a world where if you have a even slightly different opinion than the screeching leftoids, you are branded as the second coming of Hitler, and that somehow makes your entire company "black".
Following this logic, westoid whores would blacklist half of Niji and Holo JP talents for making what they would see as "racist remarks". Like picrel, or when Laplus did duolingo and the obviously Indian guy said that he is Japanese, she was like "Huh? Really???" Implying that a person like him could never be Japanese, etc. there's literally a ton of examples like that.
>>54162877
First anti kawaii post and he defends Oceane.
Oceane's discord was passing around doxx info like crazy and she was a part of it. She also got in touch with her fans which is not allowed.
Posting evidence of that would unironically mean doxxing your own talents, so you are just dumb and just another seething Oceashell from her discord.
Remember how, to shill Oceane and help her incline, your main strategy was to put down every Kawaii girl in the company first, just to try to make people watch Oceane. (You mostly attacked Nene and Aletta). When you got BTFO'd you moved to /warkop/ to shill her there.

>>54163412
Wait, I fucked that up sorry!
https://files.catbox.moe/0ksu5e.pdf

it always comes down to idolshills and phaseshills kek

>>54163416
Honestly better than most of the shit this thread has in the OP. Aside from the CL shit, literally pulled everything else out of his ass.

>>54163330
A lot of companies put in non complete clauses but nobody has ever sued because of it because it's not only unenforcable because agencies and talents are spread all around the world, no court will willingly fine someone guilty for joining another company. Also any company that becomes the first to sue for non compete would instantly get a bad reputation forever.

>>54162786
you sound like one of the dramacord posters

>>54163543
I hope both die groups die, at the same instant preferably.

>>54163539
Holy based!

>>54163469
What are the terms? You can't be a vtuber at all for a year after leaving? Or you can't join another vtuber company?

>>54163615
dramacords have tried to take down corpos before, just for the sake of grooming the girls already inside. Feeding this thread only emboldens them to act again.

Can someone post the really funni story of Kometa's fall?

>>54163539
yep, thats a zhang contract if I've ever seen one

>>54163539
>Party B guarantees that the content of the live broadcast or other performing
arts activities or advertising activities shall not involve sensitive topics such as politics, religion, territorial and sovereignty integrity, ethnic discrimination, etc., and shall not
show excessive behavior, pornography, violence and other serious violations of the
laws and regulations and policies of the People's Republic of China
This shit is so funny thanks.

>>54163539
Amazing, this is great, we got dirt on Idol and now this, gonna check out and add to the list

I salute your contribution

>>54163784
>don't say Taiwan is a country
>don't talk about Uighurs
>don't talk about Tibet
>don't talk about democracy in China

>>54163662
6 months. i'm allowed to go indie at least, just not join another company.

>>54163539
BASED leaked contract on auroralivevr

>>54163539
Jesas. Gigabased femanon.

>>54163915
Surprisingly reasonable. Still not enforceable though.

>>54163416
IdolHE (the jew gen) was almost assuredly a black company of the highest order and I wouldnt be surprised if Aviel did some scamming to keep them profitable until IdolEN was a smashing success
the jew girls were literal 2views, management was a mess, they tried to make them speak english after it was clear no one in Israel cared when most were ESLs, etc
their swing into a successful corporation is about as probable as hololive turning into what they are after it started as a tech demo in sora's garage

>>54163842
I am same femanon who mentioned the idol stuff earlier if that help corroborate my claims. I won't leak anything Idol related, but they are the opposite of a black company.

I can try and find more screenshots from Aurora, but it was a really long time ago. I remember approaching management about a bunch of issues and them basically saying "we dgaf, you are the problem" to defend the girl that was webcamming with management everynight kek

>>54163539
uh oh

>>54158091
That third point is horseshit.

>>54164109
It's been over a year and nothing bad has come to light, but for some reason you keep schizoing and moving the goalpost.

>>54160111
Retard kiliaschizo

>>54164288
ReDebut soon anon :^)

>>54164191
>>54160111

>>54163842
what's the dirt on idol? that public artist callout turned out to be a nothingburger and most people won't even know that this happened.

>>54163539
>"Fingerprints"
Is this a normal requirment?

>>54164109
Except for one thing they've always had, money, loads of it. They aren't paying for all those ads and shilling from the profits they've made, they're literally buying their way into the mid-level vtuber game. He's scammed someone along the way, whether that's an Israeli cultural development board or some private investors.

>>54164401
I've never seen it and I've dealt with a lot of corpos. That part sussed me out so hard and is part of why I dipped LOL

>>54164401
pretty normal in asia I think
t. SEA creature

>>54164323
Those will happen, but they have more important things to do than try and save a failed gen.

>>54164378
i think if you use the artist thing as a yab defining idol as black, then in turn you'd need to do the same about phase, and phase has had a lot more yabs of that caliber.

However, its important to note that these yabs do affect reputation, and reputation should be taken into consideration when you're joining a company because it can affect collabs, investors, and sponsorships.

>>54154532
I expected more people to talk about WACTOR

>>54164609
this is a gossip thread

>>54164609
we dont need to talk about them LMAO I think everyone knows

>>54164609
this thread is for seamonkeys, not mexicans

>>54164609
Someone who cares may write a QRD, but I think everyone knows they are as black as coal miners asshole.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1cvhcltntyki0-Tj2NxU_9Sx2Cjo9QhaD5v_knDZXFCs/edit#heading=h.p2rvux30t60b this doc is being live edited as we speak

>>54164191
Yeah, no substance, will remove from list

>>54164127
>>54164378
Archived thread sent earlier by anon (https://archive.palanq.win/vt/thread/22846086/#22846181)) has some information from last year, shows some deceptive advertising stuff and some substance to back up, but not a lot, the company might have changed, so ill add to More Validation Required

>>54164609
You should talk about the smaller ñ corpos too like Owozu Natamo Sedai and LeFolk

>>54164949
Who is naru?

>>54155064
As far as I’m aware, Tomopulse was okay, just had incompetent management. One of the talents graduated because of burnout from not getting anywhere as a corporate talent, then the rest of them followed and the company dissolved shortly after. It’s a shame because I think the girls deserved better.

>>54164949
remember to open in incognito/private, anons

>>54165116
I am already using a secret google account.

>>54162696
According to the leaks here Phase gives Pippa preferential treatment. They are to blame too

>>54165099
Yeah a lot of people in this thread seem to be calling for drama where none may exist. A lot of companies can do just fine, and only fold because they weren't able to grow enough or they had too much overhead or whatever. Not every failed corpo has a drama-filled tale behind it.

I miss my oshi
She's autistic and lovely and beautiful.
If she reads this she'll know it's about her.
I miss her every day

>>54165172
Phase insider here, Sakana regularly flies over to Pippa. You can imagine why she gets preferential treatment. Not every corpo can be as fair to its talent as Idol

eien project
>stealth suspends talents
>has talents sign admissions of guilt over internal fights/misconduct
>isolates talents from internal communication channels over fights/misconduct
although wrapped up in framing these actions as justified (you be the judge), eien project unambiguously confirms all three themselves. the source is their own statement: https://twitter.com/EIENproj/status/1665516473794822145
fans of former talent riifu evergreen also argue that the statement severely mischaracterizes and contradicts past behavior in a way reminiscent of nijisanjis infamous statement on former talent zaion lanza, intended to assassinate her character on the way out of the corpo. Riifu herself also disputed parts of the statement.

>>54165303
actual insider here, this is bullshit. sakana visits uruka though

>>54164109
The biggest issue with small corpos is that they lack money to fix a lot of problems they face during growth. Idol company isnt a black company because so far they've had way too much money from scamming investors or something resulting in them fixing every would-be problem with it. Until we have disgruntled employees or talents leave because of issues, there clearly isnt any issues with Idol so fast. Try again in a few years once their money runs out completely.

>>54165172
It's not even leaks, Pippa's talked about it. Basically she has very few rules for her content and all the other girls (except Lumi kinda but she's on twitch) have to be more traditional vtubers and not get too wild.

>>54165340
I'm still mad.
Mad about the death threats and the lies about her taking a break when it was a suspension. Etc

>>54165367
real insider here, sakana does a bimonthly sex tour of all phase talents and calls it mandated company bonding time

>>54165207
Yeah. I really do think it is a shame what happened to the TP girls, I think only one of them streams semi consistently anymore. They were all good artists and Ayumi made her own model. I think Dahlia also made her own model after leaving and going back to her indie account? Dunno what happened to the last one, she seems to have fucked off. There was also a random guy too, who had a really ugly model until TP paid for a new one later, but he was a literal 1view who so I don’t really care.

>>54165503
i mean, you gotta recognize that riifu was stupid too. the company obviously owns the steam account ang games, and they even pay for the games. but riifu didnt wait and used her money, eri offered to just give her the moeny to cover for it, and then seperged out in front of the other girls too. skye and kilia are perfectly happpy and comfortable with the company

>>54165340
anon I couldve saved you some time, here let me help
>Eien Project
>CEO is a woman

>>54165655
I'm sure they are one big eien project family, anon.

>>54165573
>In comes the phase defense force when real shit finally gets posted

>>54165573
Sakanas butler here,

He flies the girls to his mansion once a month and does a hymen check like Pic related

>>54164995

We love dirt on smaller corpos in this thread

Based on what I read in these threads it sounds like CyberLive was the true Cunny Corpo and all the girls loved the Cunny to the point CunnyLive fell apart when she left
I guess that explains why theyre all jumping ship to Idol now

>>54160868
There's no proof

>>54164470
>they're literally buying their way into the mid-level vtuber game.
I'm still learning about Idol as a corporation so take my opinions with a grain of salt, but frankly I think this is a pretty generous outlook for them. Not that I disagree with your overall sentiment.
Idol's use of capital is sorely misplaced overall as far as I can tell, so even if they have deep pockets, wherever that may come from, if they aren't allocating their funds wisely, or even implementing proper procedure for spending (which appears to be the case), it won't amount to much long term.
I can't really envision them as finding permanent success in the scene. Whatever success they may find will be short lived and readily discarded, would be my prediction.
I suspect very strongly that Idol is either a front for embezzlement/fraud at worst, a poorly planned entertainment venture with hopes to secure connections for future use, or quite simply a temporary hobby for a wealthy individual at best.
Overall, based on the way the CEO operates and presents himself, or at least what we can reliably observe, it is a fly by night operation, and seems highly suspect to me. It is difficult not to mention rumors, but being that they are rumors and the nature of such things in vtubing, it is unwise to put too much stock in them... That said, I don't have much faith in the company itself, or what we have been able to see from management, including the actions of talents under their purview.
I'd like to learn more about the company, but at present that's how I see it.

>>54165755
phaseshills are permanently mindbroken by how much better idol is doing compared to phase

>>54164599
When has phase been called out for not paying contractors? Are you just pulling shit out if your ass?

>>54162696
All of their problems stem from Pippa, but unfortunately so does all of their success. I wouldn't be surprised if Sakana's plan is to just let her run around acting like a retard and milk that cow while he can, until she inevitably gets enough eyes on her or instigates a bad enough yab, that he'll just try to cut her off in the hope/expectation that it won't blow back on the company as a whole.

>>54165207
Agreed with this, its one thing to have failed as a company or have setbacks or issues, and another do bad shit to the talents and staff taking advantage of them

I wanna know why Xander Fangsworth left RealCorp to go to Lucid. I feel like he could’ve done better for himself so I remember feeling very confused about the news. I’m still kind of baffled by it.

>Phase shills literally piling into the thread

>>54165655
>Skye
>1 month hiatus not even a half year after her debut
Yeah, perfectly happy and comfortable.

>>54166077
rent-free jewish man

>>54164127
Hi menace

>>54166010
I'm talking about Twitter type yabs that gave them negative attention. Three namely being, Pippa playing hogwarts legacy, Tenma telling hogwarts haters to get rope(which will continue to be warped as her telling troons to get rope), and Lumi stealing models.
Also, another anon has accused Phase of paying clippers poorly. No proof though but very specific accusation.

>>54166038
I mean it's unironically a good plan. She gets a yab that gathers enough steam, he cuts her off, the company gets good press for getting rid of her.

>>54166254
Yeah but the talents who want nothing to do with Pippa surely aren't enjoying it

>>54165945
Aviel said they had accounting laid out for 3 years of operating as they are, aka buying their way in.

>>54166201
She's streaming right now, sister.

are the girls in PC really resentful towards pippa? i've seen collabs with her here and there, and with other people who collab with her at different occasions.
do pippa's audience tricle down into the other girls and bring down their audience quality?

>>54166411
I'm also streaming and nobody knows I'm posting itt

>>54166254
Yeah, except Pippafags are insufferable and will not let her fall without trying to take down as many with her as they can.

>>54166447
I don't think they're resentful toward Pippa, but resentful toward Pippa's treatment. I think they know Pippa herself is uncomfortable with the special treatment, and more upset at sakana than anyone. Especially if they're facing any punishment for things Pippa would be allowed to do.

>>54166038
Very possible. But I don't think it would work well if they cut her off completely, or at least not immediately. The strength of a company exists through branding, and at present Pippa is the strongest IP that Phase has in their possession. It would be stupid to put as much effort into polishing that as they clearly are only to destroy it down the road.
More likely they may eventually reign her in somewhat, but for now her antics make for good press. I don't know that they would ever actually allow her to do something truly egregious, especially in the hopes of cutting her loose, because in the end it would only harm their brand power.
I suppose it's possible, but it would be very unwise.

>>54155152
>> We know there's dirt, just waiting for someone to come out with it
The dirt was when Kiki sold her boyfriend's cum chair pretending it was her's kek.

Who do you miss most from the corpos that have dissolved?

>>54166447
A lot of them have seemingly wanted to kinda ride her coattails and do more yab stuff only to get shot down by management and told only Pippa can do it. Also somehow Panko is immune to this?

>>54161839
This and the first thread is obviously anti-corpo, of course it's mainly rrats, It's /vt/ we're talking about. It's just fun with the small chance actual leakers are posting in between the shitpost and we'll pull some of these posts back from the archive once they're confirmed

>>54165655
Fuck off eri.
Never at any point did riifu want or need the money and you know it.

>>54166447
>do pippa's audience tricle down into the other girls and bring down their audience quality?
no
the general exposure separates them from 2view land where you are DOA at debut but her fanbase gives less of a shit about the rest of the company than gura's

>>54166724
Panko has immunity because she runs the BVTM account

>>54166447
Only tenma

>>54166347
Interesting. I hate to ask for a spoonfeed, but if you have it handy I'd love to see a source on this, or really anything you may ne willing to share that isn't hearsay.
Even with that nugget of information, based on their current allocations I can't see them gaining much permanence, at least not moreso than their rivals. Of course, I'm outside looking in, so it's hard to really say for certain what their plans may be...
Though, I suppose the pomp and circumstance may be enough to keep viewers invested. I know it's wowed a lot of people, but to me it seems like a lot of fluff to hide the fact that they don't actually have anything that makes them stand out.
I still think a lot of what they do and say is very suspect, it doesn't sit well with me, though that is just my gut instinct for the most part.

>>54167159
Take your meds

>>54166254
What >>54166321 said, and that's entirely off the assumption that it succeeds in not affecting the company as a whole. Considering it's already having an effect on their public perception and the other talents and people wanting to be involved with them, I don't think it will.
>>54166600
I'm not sure you can just reign her in at this point. The people she's attracted are generally the type whose sole interest is how heckin based someone is, and if she eases up on that pandering they're either going to become bored and move on, or become resentful and do more of what they already do with other vtubers to her/Phase instead. Though now that I'm writing this I realize that effect would be magnitudes worse if they terminated her.

>>54167159
I believe he said this on his Twitter or idol weekly.

>>54167159
https://blog.idol-company.com/weekly-2
I made a mistake, it was 4 years of accounting. That said it's also accompanied by him saying the Origin redebut was happening Soon™, so

Aetheria died ground because Vera was more interested in getting her viewers to fly out to fuck her than actually caring about the company. Bonus points she apparently leaked all sorts of private info about the Aetheria talents to the people she was fucking.

>>54167349
I assure you anon, I am fully lucid. I'm not really sure what I have said thus far that would warrant such a response. I am merely speculating freely based on information that I have seen. I don't think I've said anything unreasonable.
But I appreciate the reminder.
>>54167459
I'll look into these, thank you anon.
>>54167706
Ah excellent, much appreciated.

>>54167729
Aetheria was not a company it was just a loose vtuber association or ex-Cyberlive members.

Dirt on corps / Hunting black corps


CONFIRMED/VERY LIKELY>

AuroraLiveVR
>Literally chinashills, zhang contract, wants you to pay 6k if you leave, asks fingerprints, and more
>really predatory+exploitative contracts and work culture, matches claims of staff+talents unhappy and lots of turnover
>https://files.catbox.moe/0ksu5e.pdf

EIEN
>Internally company has issues, likely work culture
>GEN1 was supposed to have 5 talents, but 1 ended up going somewhere else after their model was done.
>GEN2 was supposed to be cast months ago, but by the time they got the greenlight all the prospects walked away.
>Stealth suspends talents, tends to want to cover up stuff as much as possible
>Very controlling of talents, has talents sign admissions of guilt over internal fights/misconduct, isolates talents from internal communication channels over fights/misconduct
>https://twitter.com/EIENproj/status/1665516473794822145 whole situation with Rifu is messy

RE:HOPE
>Posted and deleted a statement about the firing of a staff with accusations of
>https://docs.google.com/document/d/1cvhcltntyki0-Tj2NxU_9Sx2Cjo9QhaD5v_knDZXFCs
>Large amount of staff left
>CEO has past history fucking up another corpo
>Talent expected to leave soon

PixelLink
>Predatory cut of 70 to company, 20 to talent, issues with recruitment process


NEEDS MORE VALIDATION>

Idol
>False promises and expectations early on with unrealistic goals, always patches issues with cash
>Doesnt seem evil but just messy, may be some drama here, need to comb on thread below that seems to have very suggestive info
>https://archive.palanq.win/vt/thread/22846086/#22850018
>"front for embezzlement/fraud at worst, a poorly planned entertainment venture with hopes to secure connections for future use, or quite simply a temporary hobby for a wealthy individual at best"

Phase Connect
>50/50 cut
>Supposedly blacklisted by major indies, other companies, and irl conventions for being a brand risk
>+More on unconfirmed

Cyberlive
>CEO dated underage manager, also claims of abusing and cheating on her
>70% cut to talent, 30% cut to company

BondEN
>Awful contracts, cuts are incredibly shit, exploitative tendencies
>Meetings early in the mornings with clueless japanese manager
>People who joined them regretted it which is why they had an exodus of talent

NexStage
>Had a 3D concert in a bathroom
>Two talents leave right after debut, and another talent just left two months ago


UNCONFIRMED>

Phase
>Bad pays to clippers
>Gen 3 is rumored to be trying to leave Phase, but are stuck paying off debt of what Phase already invested into their models and assets (they're making the talents pay for their models and assets? LOL)

Nijisanji (not EN)
>make talents package and send all their merch by themselves
>managers take a month or more to respond talent messages
>doing almost nothing for talents and leeching off of them

Prism Project
>More claims of bad management

Tsunderia
>Claims of half the talents disliking the other half

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I think we could try to get some validation on Nijisan and Phase allegations

Any dirt you have try sending links or some reason or it goes on unconfirmed, contest whatever you think is unfounded

>>54168069
>70 to company, 20 to talent
where is the other 10?

>>54162696
>doxx talk
The joke about Kiara's oil wrestling days?

>>54159865
>no KawaiiPro

Production Kawaii
Confirmed
>50/50 cut
>Don't believe in digital promotion
>They have a points system with arbitrary goals that force you to compete with your coworkers for basically no resources
>Talents and fanbase are allowed to slander you on your way out while you're silenced with an NDA, if you decide to leave the company
Unconfirmed
>A culture of bullying and favoritism

>>54168196
Excellent question, we don't know, some people with the info said something about it going to a YouTube operation cost which is even worse if true, we could use some clarification on specifics but we know the rates are predatory

>>54168196
it's me, i took the 10%

>>54168196
>>54168304
I believe some rejected femanon went here to seethe. I don't believe the split. It was likely a typo and they just ran with it.

>>54168358
Knew there had to be a rrat after the cheese haha

>>54168069
>PixelLink
Their contracts also last 2 years. It's on their website.

>>54168404
We need screenshot of that part on the contract then or that goes back to need-more-info but i am pretty sure we had femanon and someone else, plus its not the first time i hear about this myself

>>54168404
two people said something so its in the air or whatever. just get a third person to drop more and im sure itll work out. that or the ceo is totally incompetent too. id look into him since his name is in one of the screenshots

>>54168300
Thats shit and fuck them if its true, do you have some source to check if it lines up

>>54168300
How is 50/50 cut is considered bad and the talents were open about the cut on stream even before gen 3 join
How is a point system "competing for resource" if each girl has their own points pool independent from each other.

It's honestly astounding how many companies are still trying to enter the market at this point.

Man, I hate that most corpos have shit management because I miss being in one. I just hate incompetent managers.

>>54155064
>phase connect
LMFAO

>>54168713
dangerously esl
>>54168802
that's pretty much just the nature of working anywhere

>>54166447
>are the girls in PC really resentful towards pippa
No lmao what the fuck are you on?

>pippa's audience tricle down into the other girls and bring down their audience quality
A few of the fanbases don't like it when Pippa raids into them but the girls don't mind. There isn't a whole lot overlap with Pippa's audience and gen2 regulars.

>>54154532
so what the fuck is the image in this

>>54168300
Don't forget
>entire Gen 3 left
That should be the biggest red light for any applicants.

>>54168713
Because no one aside from Nene Amano has received anything for their work, which means they use Nene as a barometer for those arbitrary goals.

>>54166447
yes they hate her

this thread is the 9/11 for vtubers

>>54169059
Rehope, one of the microcorpos that had some drama yesterday and is burning from the inside

>>54169156
The girls who reach any point or sub goal all confirmed to have their reward (outfits etc,) in the work, INCLUDING aletta who left in middle of her new outfit being work on (she even stole the new outfit design to use for her redebut indie model lol)

>>54155064
>they feel lead on by the corpo
so just another corpo job, uooooooooou what a black company *read with sarcasm*

>>54168695
Unfortunately no sources with me at the moment, but the talents have talked or alluded to it on stream multiple times. I can probably dig through and find some timestamps, but the confirmed ones are very much accepted even in their insular fanbase.

>>54169284
saw something about talents leave lol how do you fuck up that bad

>>54169284 (me)
Not OP, fyi

>>54168069
https://twitter.com/NexStageProject/status/1632531019550138368?s=20

>>54169333
Why are you defending a black company? A points system is worthless is no one in the company has anything to show for it after 2 years.

It's kind of funny that the only small corp that hasn't been mentioned as having shit going on with it is VReverie kek

>>54169524
The point system was only in place for like half a year

Nijisanji

>>54169567
The point stands.

I don't know, I feel like if idol had any important dirt on them the girls who passed auditions would've shared it with their inner circles and it would've end up getting leaked at some point, aside from all the buy an ad and shill stuff which you can get annoyed and all it doesn't seem like a bad place at least management wise. It does speak volumes the amount of people in their waiting list assuming they aren't just lying about having 2k chuubas signed up for their waiting list, I know I can respect the fact they go out of their way to bet on their talents people like Chapipi deserved that level of faith in them https://twitter.com/AvielBasin/status/1682533963003248641
>inb4 shill
yeah whatever, I just hope other agencies try to give more to their talents and at least what it seems from the outside this is a step on the right direction

>>54169450
Great question lol seems like the CEO tried before and did the same, things failed put the blame on someone else, made accusations proven wrong and went silent deleting it, the entire thing read like a panicked mess you cant make this shit up

>>54169569
Any Nijisanji shit that's mentioned here is going to need to be taken with a grain of salt because of how rampant people make up shit about them in particular and run with it

>>54169666
checked old thread. is op from there possibly?

>>54169562
the shittiest part about being in vre would be dealing with ophie

>>54169063
Okay anon, stop right there. They aren't fully to blame on that part, there's only a bunch of rrats there. But from what I can manage (Casual viewer of Kawaii) Gen 3 lied about graduating to the other gens and then proceeded to leave in mass for an unknown reason most likely not believing in Kawaii's future. Everything else is a fucking rrat, let's not fall in those pitfalls.

>>54169637
To be fair, at least 66% of those auditions are trannies or homos.

>>54169637
Who wouldn't want to work for a company that seems to shit money out of nowhere.

>>54154532
can some holo rejects (or en3 if you're here) who made it past the interview stage share their experience?

>>54169562
She stole my yugioh cards and bent the corners.

>>54169616
The initial system was just sub count but only Nene was reaching the sub goal (not her fault or corpo favoritism that she worked on the algo to get it). The point system was added on top of the sub goal to make it easier for other talents to reach some reward as well.
Meanwhile, all gen 1 and 2 got their 3d and live concert, regardless of their number, which is a major dream and goal for many vtubers out there.

>>54169778
>unknown reason
It was management. Anyone who's worked with a corpo knows and understands this.

>>54169753
What's wrong with her?

>>54168695
They said that they didn't believe in ads for the girls' 3d debut. 50/50 cut might have been said on stream but it's not too surprising and you're a retard if you think that's bad.
Point system doesn't have competition from what I know so he's just making shit up.
For the last one just watch the videos they put every time someone leaves. There's still been no proof for one terminated talent did anything wrong.

>>54169906
I obviously imply management it always management as you said it but I really doubt they would want an entire gen to walk off like that.
There's obviously more to the picture than we know off.

>>54169894
A 3D concert, with 3D models being part of a Kickstarter that they overpaid for, in a debut that wasn't promoted, and had no additional technical help or support?
The only reason the concert happened was due to the multiple rounds of donothons, I doubt they made a profit on the event due to them not making it accessible for non-Kawaii fans, aka pay-walling the entire thing.

>>54169742
No doubt about it, the /kuro/ was made super fast after old thread so someone from there, maybe one of the many staff that left or the modeler that made the second statement since they seem more artsy

>>54169945
I mean Oceane has to do something wrong or the other gen 3 members banded together and falsified some convincing evidence to force Kawaii to fire her. Gen 3 was the most vocal against Oceane and was rushing Kawaii to fire Oceane while they were still investigating her actions.

every ceo

>>54169945
A points system with no promotion to outside viewers, implicitly encourages talents to cannibalize their audience from one another.

>>54169945
50/50 split is bad if the company who has that split isn't giving their talents much to make up for that split. Like more advertising, more investment into their streams, etc etc. If there's nothing to back up that cut, its not very good. If the stuff about Kawaii is true, then I don't think their cut is justified.

>>54170270
If 100k is all it takes for a 3d and 3d live concert, many other corpos would be doing it lol. In fact, in EN, only Holo, Vshojo, and Niji (not even a full gen) had one and they are significantly bigger than Kawaii.

>>54169637
>>54169821
Good points here, other than the promises at first it doesnt seem like much is substantial but still gotta comb through that thread to see if anything holds up to indicate ill will or just some genuine issues they had and improved

>>54170214
You're giving some of these corps too much credit, when management is bad they already are half blind and on a power trip

>>54169821
This will read like /pol/ shit, but my guess is a fair amount of money comes from the Israeli government. They literally have a publicly funded IDF that astroturfs online and a few other closely related apps and groups that do online propaganda and defense. Look up the term "hasbara" if you're curious. Their government throwing money at a media group that promotes a positive image of the country sounds believable.

Give me dirt on cover so i don't feel sad for not being looked at.

>>54170898
No dirt on Cover yet. Ask again in the next thread, but even if we DO get something we'll need another person to verify it

>>54170561
Regardless of any good they did, there's a reason half the talents in the company are no longer there. It shows that a concert isn't worth it, if it means having to deal with a lot of shit for a lot of people.

To repeat, 8 out of the 15 overall talents are longer at the company.

hello. its late and im about to go to bed, but its op of the og. i just wanted to update. i have left the agency, i have about a week before as statement comes out. it probably won’t be noticed, maybe for the better. i dont really see others venting, but if youre lurking and are looking for hope, its always there. good luck. i dont know if ill ever be able to rejoin another corpo after this. goodnight, everyone!

>>54170860
Interesting, didnt know of this and would justify so much money, have any source link?

>>54170392
At worst, she was just a bitchy menhera behind the scenes. When it's her words against four others, a corpo would have side with her genmates.

>>54170811
Fair enough. Can't blame that it might be my bias.

>>54168069
I was in a twitter space with Miyu and Duroppu after they left BondEn, pretty much everything said is exactly as they said plus some others, like that they weren't allowed to collab with their senpai, or even communicate with each other in some cases.

>>54171041
>i have about a week before as statement comes out
too much details, your opsec is garbage

>>54171041
OP must be a talent of Rehope then, best of luck OP and thank you for shaking things up, this kind of shit needs to be aired and things cant go without consequence, saluting you for your bravery and best to all the corpstaff and talents mistreated by black agencies

Desu I think stuff on the big corpos should be left out of these threads. There's already dozens of threads on the catalog about them.
It's better to have this thread act as a way to shine a light on the small and micro corpos that might be trying to get away with bad shit.

There was a Google document about an extensive amount of dirt on bondEN. Anyone have it?

>>54171361
You're not wrong but if someone with actual dirt on Niji/Cover wants to come forward this is probably a good thread to do it

>>54171067
I'm just guessing, I don't have any proof Idol specifically gets funding, and I don't even know if there's even a law in their country that says they would even have to disclose it.

>>54171199
If femanon already left but statement comes out later then she doesnt care so much and risked lashback to voice out, she knows that too much details were given

We had a few based whistleblowers on a single thread risking it to give substantial documents to confirm dirt, if that isnt all of this meaning something then dont know what is, salute to you all

>>54171409
Gochu senpai
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BUpIKllmPqxGndPclpNBRIQcoac0DzPf0kKPgicUV64

>>54170860
cute anime girls is probably one of the better things my tax dollars could be spent on

>>54171001
I would say that Kawaii is a bit restrictive and ask for a lot of work when some vtuber just want to lay back, stream with minimal effort, and get dono. Kawaii management mirroring the way Holo and other jp corpo run cause some rift because jp work standard is different from a western work standard
Also, kawaii was slow on digital promotion (even if they start now) but they started when digital promotion unheard of in the vtuber scene (even big corpo doesn't do it). It is still questionable whether ads and promotion investment to a degree of IdolEN is sustainable in the long run, especially with a lot of small corpo's entering the market. Idk if it's possible for every small corpo to run aggressive ads and hope the new gen all maintain even 3 views and dono amount correspond to that number to make up for the cost.

>>54170561
The real issue is that it's basically throwing money away for nearly everyone who does one. Small corpos don't make a lot of money, so that's a massive expense with very little returns. 3D probably only really ends up making money for Holo and Niji.

>>54171612
if she gonna give details like exact dates like that she might as well state her name right now. in a week some autist will correlate all the info together either way.

>>54171670
Straight from the talents, eh? Man, that shit would have made me angry. Glad they got out.

>>54171974
shes probably on suicide watch after having /kuro/ get made because of a random vent

>>54168069
>>54169637
IdolEN bots their streams. It was done at the request of gen 2, namely Juna.

>>54172285
We havent had a small corpo from yakuza that suicides their rogue talents yet, that would be fresh

Well... Having read over these Idol blog posts, one thing is very clear at least. They have nothing going for them in terms of uniqueness, despite repeated claims to the contrary. Excepting perhaps funding, but we knew that. There isn't anything particularly noteworthy here, it's mostly lip service and corporate chatter.

I do find one or two parts amusing.
For example, from this entry, https://blog.idol-company.com/idol-weekly-5
>Why are we named "idol"
>Many of you may wonder why we chose the name "idol" for our VTuber agency. Some may have thought it was satire, while others assumed we would follow the strict rules associated with traditional idol culture. However, we see "idol" in a different light, one that represents performers who break through the barriers of entertainment and become true role models that people can look up to.
>We admire the discipline, dedication, and hard work that traditional idols exhibit, as well as their strong connection with their fans. Our goal is to take that inspiration and apply it to our talents, while providing them with the freedom to become the entertainers they aspire to be and at their own pace.
I wonder, is advertising your newly debuted talents donothons considered positive brand expansion? Good marketing? Setting yourselves apart from the rest of the industry? What exactly distinguishes their content from any random vtuber when it's all just variety streams? Is this all your talents aspire to?
Is one of your talents providing feet pics as a donation goal reward creating a company which "represents performers who break through the barriers of entertainment and become true role models that people can look up to."?
To be completely fair, they are rather nice pictures, all told, but still, it's amusing.

Obviously this doesn't make Idol a black company, but it's pretty funny to see the disconnect between some of the things in these posts and the actual activities of the company. I suppose it's just capitalizing on the vtubing trend? I don't really know.
Either way, nothing particularly noteworthy that I noticed here, which is to be expected really, unless you consider Idol being perfectly comparable your run of the mill small Western corpo noteworthy. Seems they are taking a similar approach to Nijisanji, where a great deal of emphasis and production is placed on the talents themselves, rather than anything else.
I guess you could argue their "program" of recruiting graduated vtubers as a subtle form of talent sniping? They consistently claim it isn't finalized and yet introduced talents in the 2nd gen that specifically meet that criteria. But that may be a stretch.

tl;dr, Idol blogpost are mildly amusing but a nothing burger. Just another low effort vtuber startup.

>>54171947
True, but that other values beside just trying to make profit from the concert. It improves the contents for the existing fans and many girls are happy just to be able to perform on stage in 3d. I would say that you only get full benefit of joining kawaii if you wish to participate in the idol project and want to perform. Sure you can op out of the project, but you simply lose what the corpo offers
Investing in ads and promotion doesn't necessarily a guaranteed return neither. There's no guarantee that you will get number and increase in dono just because the company throw out ads. There is no guarantee that the increase will make up for the cost of ads. Once you spend on ads and the ads run, that's it. Meanwhile, the 3d models are always assets they always have and the concerts are always the experience for both the girls and the fans. Arguably, 3d is gaining some steam within the vtubing scene. There is a chance that 3d investment can pay off in the future if the company last.

>>54171041
Congrats, I know other people who left corpos and are happier now. Just remember to keep striving forwards and never giving up if you want to be successful.

>>54162080
>>54162355
>chinese business practice

megbert won

>>54172480
They're not even written by Aviel. They're written by the guy who does Kawa News and several other vtuber news articles.

>>54171930
That's a good point. Kawaii runs things like Hololive while having none of the benefits, clout, or audience to justify the bare minimum investment. And the added caveat that half their company graduated or got terminated for one reason or another.

>>54172763
Who is megbert?

I dont have any dirt on Cover but based off people I know who got into it, they were basically badly run during Myth but they revamped everything and now HoloEN3 is supposed to be a huge improvement compared to the shitty management they had before. Also Cover treats talents very very nicely and possibly the best in the industry. Sorry if it isnt any bad news or anything, all I get is good news from them.

>>54173040
Menace (CyberLive)/Coni (IdolEN)

>>54172940
Hololive and many other small jp corpo also were run that way. You act like Hololive instantly became the biggest corpo over night. I'm not saying that Kawaii will be as big as Holo one day. However, many early Holo jp members went through the same state and many small jp corpo are still doing the same. However, as I said, Kawaii did get their shit together to set up a 3d live concert. That's still fairly impressive for a small corpo.

>>54173152
Can corroborate, have only heard good things from insiders. Not even trying to shill, even Kson still says their contract was very good.

>>54157703
V&U has some scummy practices

>>54173507
V&U is just dumb fuck who think they can just mirror Idolcorp spending and expect the same return (but they don't have questionable deep pocket). I think Idol unintentionally grieved V&U the hardest. Now they are so deep in the red that they cut all merch (gen 1 anniversary and multiple girls bday went without merch) and many song covers and projects.

>>54173152
So Omega sucked shit but they kicked him so it doesn't matter

This is pretty common knowledge in the sphere, but Niji enacts a 6 month PL socials blackout on talents when they join. You are not allowed to talk to anyone but your irl family. Friends and everything are completely banned, anything that is past life related is not allowed you’re not even allowed to interact on or Twitter.

Ofc secret dms and everything still happens but you’re fuck if it’s found out.

The reason why so many niji talents feel isolated after debut is because of this.

>>54155064
>>54155152
Didn't one of the former Vshojo girls say her time there sucked and they screwed her over?

>>54163539
actual zhang here, this reads like every zhang legalese ever lol
for anyone curious: never work for zhangs

>>54174128
So you can roommate post again after 6 months?

>>54174128
Well, I can't really de-confirm this, but I do have a friend who knew about another friend getting into NijiEN before she debuted and let it happen because she knew it's what she always wanted, but like you said that's just private DMs