/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

inb4
>SHE'S NOT YOUR FRIEND
yeah, she's my mom

>Saying "Saplings and I cannot be friends" and not saying "Saplings aren't simps" is a misunderstanding btw
Sure, misunderstanding to not deny simps.

Because they're western women. Mori being the worst specimen.

>be fauna
>be thicc neck
>be really thicc neck
>be wildly thicc neck and popular aside from one minor thicc neck that was actually just a misunderstanding

Is this really so hard to accomplish? Why do so many vtubers fail at something so simple? Literally all you have to do is be nice and play games.

>>54052506
I love cumming for mommy

>>54052506
You have to be mentally stable and you have to be Intune with weeb and internet culture. None of those things are rare or hard. But put all of them together along with being nice and yeah that's pretty rare. And it helps that like a third of Fauna's streamer personality is just what she picked up from Northern Lion who is also notoriously normal.

>>54053001
Fauns is BALD?!

>>54052506
>aside from one minor yab that was actually just a misunderstanding
It was literally nothing to everyone except for complete retards like >>54052648
Also the the guy that sent that SC should be banned from every Holo chat considering he keeps fucking sending (((subtle))) anti-Kronii shit to everyone.

>>54052658
Lmao

>>54052648
Can't believe she was dumb enough to respond to the babs, he should be banned from all holo chats for his constant bait SCs
Also fuck you

>>54052506
Being a good person is incredibly hard for women even if you pay them a lot of money for it
Fauna is something special

>>54056010
Very, she just has a great wig.

>>54052506
Greem lamy sucks. Hope someone from EN3 can replace her quickly.

>>54058391
Hello, under Cover (heh) employee here. Don't tell anyone, but she's confirmed for EN3. picrel

It's probably a long shot given the state of the board these past 2 years, but if you were around for Myth's debut, you should remember debut Mori. She was awkwardly abrasive and contrarian and tried to do everything possible to show that she was "different" from what people had come to expect from Hololive. Whether that was collabing with Trash Taste faggots, not doing even the slightest hint of fanservicey requests, or aggressively shooting down any Takamori banter, she was just unpleasant to be around. The reason she was like this is the same reason Ame told her viewers to improve themselves, the same reason Kronii imploded, the same reason Fauna said her viewers weren't her friends, and the same reason Ina keeps lecturing her viewers. They don't get vtubing. Or at least, they don't get why Hololive JP in particular is so popular.

Hololive JP is popular because the talents, for the most part, realize they are selling a product, a dream, an illusion. You have to be careful not to break that illusion, but in return people will give you insane amounts of money. This product is part the avatar, and part the person behind it but never really entirely one or the other. There has to be a balance, as Kizuna Ai showed, you can't just have the avatar with another person behind it. But you also can't just be yourself with an avatar, that's where the often used insult of "ethot with an avatar" comes in. You need some bit of character.

It's this bit that Western women, and particularly Hololive EN seems to struggle with. They want to prove they are bigger and better than the avatar. That people would like them for themselves, give money them for themselves, first draft, unedited. Which is total fucking bullshit. There's a reason they don't talk about their political stances or past relationships. There's a reason you aren't supposed to know their real names, real faces, real ages. Hololive is supposed to provide a nice neat digestible little package and for some reason, these women just fucking chafe at providing that, even if they stand to reap the benefits and make millions off it. Even the ones who weren't blatantly against it from the beginning like Fauna or Ina can't help every now and then but slip and drop the mask so they can lecture their fans because that's what the "real them" would do. That's what they really think.

Do you really think Nene wants people to report when they masturbate to her? Do you think any woman really wants that? Does Luna really think she's a baby? Is every single Holo in JP just somehow forever single and lonely despite many of them being charismatic, funny, and probably not hideous? No. But they know how to keep up kayfabe without their ego getting in the way, something most of Hololive EN just can't stomach. And they resent it, some openly like Mori and Kronii from the beginning, and some like Fauna or Ame or Ina when it just bubbles out at the worst time. But these hypocrites will rake in money hand over fist from sad lonely men, while still trying to convince themselves they aren't taking advantage of anyone. These men are willing to be taken advantage of, is it too much to ask that they don't openly spit on them after the transaction goes through?

>>54058658
Didn't read lol

>>54058658
Read the first paragraph and I think Fauna gets it but the western brainrot has reprogrammed people to think that being parasocial is bad and has to be avoided at all cost
If she didn't fall for the hivemind opinion on parasocialism she wouldn't have said something like that

>>54052506
Fauna has experience in softcore whoring, the rest are sluts but not whores

>>54052506
>minor yab
I wouldn't call it minor. In fact it's a pretty huge yab if you're an idol.

>>54052506
Do you want a serious answer? It's because dealing with schizo fans is extremely draining and simply difficult to do. Doubly so when these insufferable autists are the paypigs who make up the majority of your income. They want the vtuber to be nice to them while making it INCREDIBLY hard for anyone to want to be nice to them. Also, most vtubers are relatively untrained and inexperienced with how to handle fame. Eventually they lose patience, the mask slips, and they lash out and the schizoids who are pissing them off. Really, chuubas like Fauna are very professional because it's not happened more often than it already has.

>>54052649
Just because he asked a question to reveal her for the emotional prostitute she is doesn’t make him a schizo. If anything, you’re the schizophrenic who believes that defending a pretend girlfriend is somehow a good thing.

>>54052506
>be nice
>be supportive
>is this really so hard to accomplish?
I'd say something but you're going to say I hate women

>>54052506
She fails the simplest thing

>>54059267
Any woman who chooses a career in pretending to be a sexy anime waifu has no moral ground to demand anything from her viewers. They knew they were going to make unlovable weebs get heart butterflies whenever they send SCs. They knew they’d masturbate during ASMRs and Nintendo sports moan-a-thons. They’re as guilty as crack dealers and casino owners.

>>54059950
They can demand whatever they want, but the viewers can stop watching and paying too.

>>54052506
>be wildly successful and popular
She's literally bottom five in Hololive subs mate. I hate CCVfags but it's not like she excels at that over someone like Ina either

>>54059267
Lots of women have the belief their viewers who give them money are pathetic and deserve their disdain. Or they themselves have no respect for themselves and view their streamer job the same as OnlyFans. Fauna is more on the side of respecting her viewers and that goes a long way in keeping both sides happy.

>>54058587
Fauna > Lamy by a longshot. Enjoy your drunk 'GFE' whore while you can.

I like Fauna but man she is dumb as a brick

>>54060091
If this was a normal sort of entertainment, that would be true. But why do you think these bitches keep getting pass after pass whenever they bitch out overtly or covertly at their simps? They know most of them will stick around and keep fattening their wallets with middle school overtures. VTubing is the newcomer of the loneliness economy, and it won’t die while there are lonely people without something concrete to pour their income into

>>54059053
You have to see it from a young womans point of view. When she thinks about the question she imagines some disgusting unwashed old man coming up to her in public and asking for a hug because hes a sapling. That makes her shudder and keep professional distance.

>>54056026
Fauna not only said she and fans must not be friends, she didn't deny her fans are nothing more than simps.
To imply this is not what happened is pure and unironic cope. Not gonna tell any simpling if they should drop her/hate her for it, but that's the simple truth.

>>54060468
>the loneliness economy
good phrase

>>54060098
Dead subs are the worst metric you could pick as a measure of success

>>54058658
Go back

>>54060571
Yeah but at least she doesn't straight up insult her viewers a la Kronii or majority of other streamers.

>>54058658
>You have to be careful not to break that illusion

Bro thinks Vtubers are actually anime girls

>>54060708
Yes, it’s called kayfabe.

>>54060776
and the undertaker is actually a wizard

>>54060708
>bro thinks
go back

>>54060708
You're the kind of asshole who goes around to wrestling fans and screams that it's not real, aren't you?

>>54058658

>>54060654
That never happened.

>>54060571
Meds faggot.

>>54058658
this is just the plot of oshi no ko nigga

>>54052506
>Literally all you have to do is be nice and play games
Careful anon you will piss of the idolfags

>>54060170
If anything, Fauna awkwardly trying to give self-help advice means she really does care and isn't just exploiting the saplings like cash machines.

>>54060838
And unlike VTubers, Taker was a professional who didn’t shit where he ate, so he threw those lightning bolts with a straight face instead of calling the audience names.

>>54060900
Watch this and tell me she respects her viewers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5Jb-LAEYKE

>>54052648
Imagine considering a response to Alexander Babski a yab, that guy is a fucking moron and considering any bait bitten by him to be a yab mean you're a retard like him

>>54061040
1:50 in that clip will never get old

>>54058658
They hated him because he told them the truth. HoloEN truly was a mistake.

>>54052506
Don't be too hard on the others, it's hard to compare when Fauna is an actual angel.

>>54052506
>minor yab
Are you fucking blind? She self-detonated. She went from the rank of Lamy to Ame, instantly.

>>54061040
Stop shilling your shitty clipchannel. No one gives a fuck.
Post the timecode in the actual stream or shut the fuck up because shilling is against the rules.

>>54058658
>But you also can't just be yourself with an avatar, that's where the often used insult of "ethot with an avatar" comes in. You need some bit of character.
idolcorp mossad agents are rapidly approaching your location

>Niggers here acting like people who take it personally are actually worth a shit

>>54058658
Didn't read but I hate lying whores Jp or EN

>>54061232
>First time seeing it

Holy newfag... Here you go >>54061107
it's 1:50

>>54060922
Did you confuse the need to admonish yourself in your mind with posting?
>>54060654
I do not watch Kronii when she streams, and the clips I have watched seem to imply she likes teasing fans. To give you a scale of moments that to me illustrate disdain or indifference to fans, from most to least.
Ina insulting the people that would make fun of her and Mori's GG Strive skill > Fauna's we aren't friends > Kronii saying "What!? No! Ew!" to a fan asking if she was gonna visit them (because she said she'd go visit a friend)

>>54052506
i dont watch en and yet i like fauna

>>54061328
the fact that you placed fucking ina at the most disdainful indicates you're a pure clipwatcher who knows nothing about any of the girls you're shitting on
if you're going to defend kronii by saying she loves teasing fans, that's also true for fauna and ina

>>54061040
What she said at 1:50 is both true but also an incredibly tone deaf thing to say to a vtuber audience lmao

>>54061328
It's certainly Kronii's worst moment, she's got more self-control now. The point being it's a moment of disrespect for her viewer after being criticized by her viewers.

>Hey Kronii we don't think you should collab with males
>"Do you not have female friends?" Basically implying they're losers who never talk to women

All she had to do is say "I respect your opinions and I'll consider it" instead of calling them incels.

>>54052648
>>54052506
This is the yab? I thought it was her saying she loves b*c on stream and her fans getting upset over that?

https://streamable.com/m05ayy

>>54058658
>I am aware that you are lying to me and that you secretly don't like me but I will give you money anyway if you keep up the lie convincingly enough
I am being completely serious when I ask this: does not not sound sad as fuck to you when you write it all out like this? Jesus.

>>54053001
>None of those things are rare or hard.
Being mentally stable AND a vtuber is hard. Not that its hard to maintain your sanity, its that people without it are the ones entering it.

How many people you anon's reckon come from other boards to shit on /vt/ because they hate us
I sware half the idiots i talk to come from elsewhere

What does having a rich idol gf feel like bros?

>>54061593
He didn't write it, it's a pasta
https://archive.palanq.win/vt/search/text/It%27s%20probably%20a%20long%20shot%20given%20the%20state%20of%20the%20board%20these%20past%202%20years%2C%20but%20if%20you%20were%20around%20for%20Myth%27s%20debut/

>>54061593
nta but of course it's sad as fuck. That's kind of the point though, a lot of people live sad lives and entertainment is an escape from it.

>>54061593
>does this not sound sad as fuck to you when you write it all out like this? Jesus.
local man looks in the mirror for the first time

>>54061727
It's pasta but it does reflect an anon's real feelings since he apparently wrote it with the intent to just copypaste the same response later if it ever came up again.

>>54061727
>I'm gonna try and make an actual essay post here and then maybe copy it and use it again later since this shit keeps coming up.
yes he did write it and everything he wrote is factually correct, you're just upset because your ADHD won't let you read a post longer than 3 paragraphs

>>54061593
Congratulations anon, you’ve realized that they are whores. And just like their fleshy counterparts are disgusted by their client’s semen shooting into their crevices, these bitches are disgusted by dealing with the illusions that keep making them rake in numbers worth a doctor’s salary in a developing country.

>>54061474
I am not shitting on anyone, you delusional catamite. I am stating facts. Again, not here to tell who to hate or not watch, just do not delude yourself that "hurr dey gud gurls, dey dindonuffin"

>>54061580
The "yab" is literally

>We cannot be friends

Meaning she cannot spend time together more personally than as a streamer and a viewer. Which is obvious, but antis misconstrue it to mean "SHE HATES THE SAPLINGS, THEY'RE NOT HER FRIENDS"

>>54061295
Anon lying is their entire existence
Fauna does not exist
Gura does not exist
Korone,subaru,chloe,koyori or whoever the fuck you wanna bring up all of them are lying to you

>>54061901
>facts
lol

>>54061934
I wonder how many anons only found out how this industry works because of that one new FOTM anime

>>54061911
NTA but a smarter way to phrase it would have been something like "you're allowed to have more than one friend go make irl friends when you're not watching me" which gets across the point she was trying to make while not admitting that her friendship with the saplings is fake.

>>54062001
Which one?

>>54062050
oshi no ko

>>54061901
>I am stating facts
Anon, I don't see any facts stated, the fact that you said Ina "insulting people" illustrated "disdain or indifference" to fans tells me you didn't even watch the clips. So it's funny to see you defending Kronii while saying what Ina did was worse.

>>54062021
I thought it was fine, since she goes on for another 30 seconds about it which antis never include to give context.

>>54062078
If they didn’t figure it out with Needy Streamer Overload, they wouldn’t ever

>>54061911
There was literally nothing wrong with what she said if you actually listen to the conversation. If anything, it was an empathetic take where she acknowledged her fans empathetically as fellow human beings. Most people who bring this up though either didn't hear the whole conversation or spam the most incendiary part when taken out of context because everyone here falseflags, baits and is completely disingenuous.
It can't be helped.

>>54062201
NSO represents niji, small corps and indies, Oshi No Ko is more accurate to Hololive because it is an actual idol agency.

>>54062226
Yeah, it was a respectful way to tell saplings the truth. I thought it was genuine.

>>54059267
Hate to sound unempathetic but that's the world. That's a job. From cashier work to CEO you'll have to deal with pieces of shit.

Complain about it in private all you like, but your customers don't want to hear that shit on the job. For vtubing it isn't any different. I'm not saying it isn't draining or infuriating but welcome the the world. People are shit and shooting yourself in the foot won't make them not shit as Kronii and Ame have found.

>>54062226
>>54062293
I'm pretty sure that people were upset about it because it was something that is completely redundant to say. It broke their "immersion" because they're retarded and want to think that she's their virtual girlfriend.

>>54060708
>Ryan Gosling has to not break the illusion while in the movie by complaining about the filming process while he's recording
>bro thinks Gosling is Bladerunner!

Yes. I come to vtubing for escapism. Most people do. If I wanted a bitchy, overly opinionated, obnoxious woman to talk to, I'd go see my sister

>>54062552
Best way to put it i've seen

>>54058658
I would say you're right for the most part in that JP just "gets" the concept of the idol illusion more than EN, but you're off mark about the lecturing. As a JP enthusiast myself, I have seen many of the JP vtubers (not just hololive) get up on their soapbox and start lecturing their viewers. Just as EN, it seems that they just can't help it sometimes.
However, the difference between JP and EN, and Japan and Western in general, is that the girls in JP have much more care not to overstep any boundaries. Something which is clearly a product of being raised in Japan, which we all know has a culture that values politeness, reserve, and boundaries to a much higher degree AND has a wider reach than western cultures.
Not that Western cultures are completely devoid of values of politeness, but it's clear that many people don't prioritize it as highly as Japan, and are much more willing to do away with it in situations where they perceive that other values clash with it.
Such as, when it comes to vtubers, many EN vtubers believe that adhering to the illusion actually undermines their own value of "asserting their individuality", and they choose to break the illusion. While the JP vtubers will believe that breaking the illusion would mean a grave transgression in the name of politeness, because they understand that breaking the illusion would equate to overstepping boundaries in the "idol-fan" relationship--a relationship very dear to both parties.
Of course, some girls will realize that these don't actually have to clash at all. Because they will realize that, rather than being an issue with being a vtuber in itself, the problem is actually in their desire to want to lecture others...which is of course no more than simply extreme arrogance and conceit.

>>54062552
Hate to break it to you but vtubers ain't the best thing for that. Even JPs talk about their roommates life all the time, if not more than EN. Movies are better, stick to those.

>>54062292
Different scale, same whoring. NSO still rings very true for individual holomems.

>>54062293
>>54062226
The most hardcore portion of her audience, aka the whales who drop giant quantities of money on her, don't want the truth. They don't want self-help advice because for at least the time being, they've given up on life. The live2D anime girl is their digital drug to forget about reality.

>>54060583
It's the only metric people in the mainstream care about, like it or not.

>>54061181
how does one surpass the rank of Lamy? Is there a rank beyond Lamy?

>>54062907
That's not a Fauna problem. If anything, more a Kronii problem.

>>54061328
meds faggot

There's way too many sane people with good takes in this thread, where's my retarded SEA posters?

>>54063159
SEA is only just starting to wake up for the work day

>>54063159
right? put this thread in a museum.

>>54052506
>>be wildly successful and popular
You almost had me.
Fauna is the least interesting person in holo as a whole.
The fuck does she even do aside from her sad mommy shtick that doesnt fit and her shitty asmr that gets mogged by mori of all people?

>>54052506
>one minor yab that was actually just a misunderstanding

Well it still caused me and some other fans to go from watching everything she ever put out to nothing at all.

>>54061517
well, you'd only get offended if you were an incel cause us chads don't fucking care about what she said case we ain't maidenless. dweeb

>>54062226
> If anything, it was an empathetic take where she acknowledged her fans empathetically as fellow human beings.
It was empathetic.
But it was also a reflection of her personality and how she truly sees her fans: as no more than paying customers.
Yes I know it's hard to believe that some vtubers truly do care about their fans and their community more than just a customer-service relationship, but it's true.
The yab is not what she said, it is the revelation that the person under the mask is not as caring and wonderful as she usually lets on.

>>54062907
>her fans don't want the truth
Exactly. In other cases where the vtuber is actually a nice and caring person who loves them, the truth would have been fine. But we're talking about Fauna here...

>>54063588
I’m maidenless and i hope she gets stabbed for betraying me

>>54063701
You're projecting your own transactional mindset. Just because you see fans as walking wallets doesn't mean every streamer does too. To say that none of them feel genuine appreciation that there's a group of people out there that want to see them succeed and support them (in a variety of ways) is the sort of thing I expect from /here/ doomers.

>>54063588
>It isn't an insult if I don't feel insulted.
By that logic a vegetable cannot be insulted because they're braindead.

I was watching a stream by Finana lately and she said that one of the big reasons she's dropped gacha lately is because she's started regularly hitting the gym and simply doesn't have the time to waste grinding gachashit for hours each day. A shitload of her fans were talking about making it a kind of group activity where her and the fans would do some kind of progress sharing gimmick on twitter or some shit. I don't know if that's actually going to happen but it did make me think about what it would be like if a chuuba actually got her fans to go out and touch grass by leading through example as it were.

>>54063588
>you'd only get offended if you were an incel
who the fuck do you think the target audience for vtubers is?

>>54052506
Why does this bait thread exist? Literally none of you fags are watching her, Fauna's streaming right now. And she's talking about how grateful she is, how much she loves Saplings and how proud of them she is.

>>54064198

it's literally the same as any other media creation, they're just using puppets. Nobody wants to deal with entitled cunts, least of all vtubers. Incels and capital G gamers don't buy shit, don't contribute and most of all make all the people that do those things not want to engage.

>>54064433
>Incels and capital G gamers don't buy shit
I do :)

You have to be mentally ill to seethe over Fauna

>>54064429
I'm watching her right now and I'm posting in live chat too

>>54063997
You’re dumb as shit if you really think any woman respects and appreciates pathetic male groveling behavior.

>>54064429
>Why does this bait thread exist?
Most people in this thread are actually defending her, retard-kun

>>54064429
>believing her lies
Truly a simpling.

>>54061517
No Kronii's worst moment was
>unfortunately idol culture is a thing
when working for a fucking idol company. The line cemented her as the exact type of Twitter SJW who hates Hololive and thinks it's cringe shit for pedos.

>>54063701
>how she truly sees her fans: as no more than paying customers.
>the revelation that the person under the mask is not as caring and wonderful as she usually lets on.
>In other cases where the vtuber is actually a nice and caring person who loves them, the truth would have been fine. But we're talking about Fauna here...

How did you get that from what she said?
>We're not friends
doesn't mean
>Fauna doesn't care about her fans
I think you're getting hung up on the definition of friend, which ironically makes you just like Fauna because she's a dumbass who thinks that her rigid definition of friendship is universal
My therapist or teacher is not my friend, that doesn't mean they don't care and that there's not some other type of relationship

>>54063701
>The yab is not what she said, it is the revelation that the person under the mask is not as caring and wonderful as she usually lets on.
gotta love the armchair psychologists on FUCKING 4CHAN of all places

>>54052506
"Saplings, having real life connections is a good thing."

HOW COULD SHE FUCKING SAY THAT TO ME!!!??? THAT DUMB BITCH!!! HATE FOREVER!!!!!

That's you. That's all of you that took Fauna saying what she said as bad. Fucking idiots.

>>54064681
Kronii is right, tho? That is exactly who vtubers appeal to.
t. f/a/ggot since 2008

Genuinely amazing how fucking hard you troons try to turn this thing into a drama. The fact that the single most harmless Holo like Fauna still gets such dedicated shitposters is insane.
What's your problem?

>>54064681
>>unfortunately idol culture is a thing
i didnt even know she said this lmfao
i hate her even more now

>>54063997
>Just because you see fans as walking wallets doesn't mean every streamer does too. To say that none of them feel genuine appreciation that there's a group of people out there that want to see them succeed and support them
Ok fine! Fauna feels genuine appreciation that there's a group of people out there that she can use as walking wallets AND use as another tick in her viewer/subscriber amount.

>>54064930
Fauna grew too powerful, they're trying to find dirt that sticks.

>>54064920
>he still doesnt get it
yeah, no shit that shes right
but we dont want to hear it

>>54064920
Right. Then why working for such a company if she obviously despises it?

>>54064930
Only an idiot trying and failing hard to disprove that she literally said
>we are not, and should not, be friends
And through omitting denial confirmed her fans are simps would treat this as drama.
Like, that's all there is to it. She showed her true colors. If you freak out about it, you're the one making the drama.

>>54052506
The "I'm not your friend" thing is irrelevant. Fauna's biggest yab is from before debut but people pretend it never happened.

>>54064930
The hard thing you've got to accept is while there's a bunch of these retards who are just disingenuous shitposters, there's a lot more who are being for real.

>>54065226
Because since time immemorial people found out you can make a profit off of lonely men.

>>54065226
Money.

>>54064742
>I think you're getting hung up on the definition of friend
Um excuse me sir/maam did you actually listen to the whole conversation? I wasn't just talking about her, I agree, extremely rigid definition of friend here.
>My therapist or teacher is not my friend, that doesn't mean they don't care and that there's not some other type of relationship
And? Nobody said that they were your friends. They do, however, have a responsibility to carry out their duties, providing therapy and teaching, which I'm sure they do. If they choose not to become more familiar with you, they are free to that and keep it professional.
Fauna has a responsibility to at least keep up the image that she has a caring connection IN ITSELF with her fans, which she didn't. If she doesn't do that, then what is she?

>>54064867
>HOW COULD SHE FUCKING SAY THAT TO ME!!!??? THAT DUMB BITCH!!! HATE FOREVER!!!!!
this but unironically, she's the only connection i want

>>54065449
she should be fired then

>>54065765
>>54065352

>>54064845
>noticing characteristics about people is psychology
>meaning if you don't have a degree in psychology you're not allowed to notice things about people
Sorry! I'll leave it to the authorities next time.

>>54065226
Also, inb4
>fucking whore, doing something she finds degrading for money
Because by this definition, 99% of the world are whores if they are not working their dream jobs/careers.
Girls like Mori and Kronii got the golden ticket for better or worse. And they would be foolish to relinquish this opportunity before milking every single cent they can from it.

>>54058658
You idiots realize this is a common pasta, right?

>>54065823
you are way less intelligent than you believe

>Kronii
>Kronii
>Kronii
have you fucks seen Kronies? she earned the right to hate em, the job, everything

>>54065352
This. Mods will ban you for even thinking about it, though.

>>54065778
Why? She doesn't need to like her job to do it well. Now, if we talk about girls like Gura or Ayame that go months without working, you have an argument.

>>54065830
You, idiot, realise that the first iteration of this post directly stated that it's author would use it as a copypasta when it was relevant to the thread, right?

>>54065584
>Um excuse me sir/maam did you actually listen to the whole conversation?
I don't actually know which poster(s) you were before that
>Fauna has a responsibility to at least keep up the image that she has a caring connection IN ITSELF with her fans, which she didn't.
I don't actually watch Fauna so how did she not keep up that image? From what I saw from this incident, her take was that she wanted her fans to take care of themselves instead of becoming solely dependent on her. Which doesn't seem to contradict with what you're saying about having a caring connection with fans.

>>54065925
>She doesn't need to like her job to do it well.
But she doesn't do it well.
>Now, if we talk about girls like Gura or Ayame that go months without working, you have an argument.
They do their job well when they are doing it. Ayame is the cutest being in existence and Gura is the most popular vtuber to the point where even normies recognise her even if they don't know who she is or what she's from.

>>54065880
>you are way less intelligent than you believe
Oh ho? You know how intelligent I am and how I perceive myself from just from one anonymous post on a vtuber board?
Who's the armchair psychologist now?

>>54066100
"no u"
naruhodo

>>54065823
Stop noticing things, just be a good condomling and give her all your money.

>>54061580
There has to be context to this, do saplings really?
I'm going to assume with her whole nature thing, she could be talking about the actual British broadcasting networks(BBC) nature series, but knowing wester chuubas...

>>54064994
I hope you can find happiness one day

>>54066093
If Kronii streams and makes the company money, she does her job well. You do not do your job well if you do not do those two things.

>>54066324
https://youtu.be/-HF3x67VK9o
Austin Powers watchalong

>>54061580
>>54066324
>Watching: Austion Powers - International Man of Mystery (1997)
>1h 27m 25s
The answers you seek may be found in the most expected places

>>54066324
https://youtu.be/R1w85qMqIjs?t=47
singing along with the song in the watchalong

>>54052617
fpbp

>>54065962
Of course I do, faggot, I was in that thread. Problem is, it's a bunch of bullshit. A) because he's attributing the sins of 2 HoloEN's (Kronii and Mori) to the whole branch (Irys, Mumei, Gura, Sana, etc. never talked down to their fans), and B) because multiple JP's have said the exact same shit. You just don't understand Japanese so you don't know this.

>>54066516
>>54066571
>>54066612
Alright, I was the retard in this situation, I'm sorry, saplings, you can shame me.

>>54066740
No worries, I had the same reaction until I looked it up
t. not a sapling

>>54058658
I've read this before. Put in more effort.

>>54059950
>UNIKEK LOGIC
You're a grown boy anon. You should know the difference between an e girl and a irl gf. The fact that every Unicuck deflects their accountability in some way is pathetic and laughable.

>>54065355
>there's a lot more who are being for real
No there aren't. Not a single fan thinks this is a yab. Not one. Because anyone who cares enough about Fauna can check the clip and see that there wasn't a single ounce of spite in her voice. It was the usual "remember to take care of yourself I'm just a silly streamer on the internet". The worst you can say about it is that it broke the kayfabe but that shit was hidden in a fucking SC reading portion. Which is supposed to be an intimate moment for the fans where you expect the streamer to be more open.
>>54065323
You're so fucking desperate to make this into a thing. Genuine unironic mental illness.

>>54067195
okay, i can tell you're one of the saplings who responds to every single bait thread in the catalog
all i can say is chill out, you're too easy to trigger

>>54066972
How are your homoshits doing sister?

>>54066030
>I don't actually watch Fauna
Since you admit that, I'll tone back on the aggressiveness...
>From what I saw from this incident, her take was that she wanted her fans to take care of themselves instead of becoming solely dependent on her
You may be confusing your yabs. This is the response that marine told one of her fans that told her how her streams were the only thing that gave him happiness in life.

You should watch the vid of what she said, and maybe a few minutes before. Hopefully that will make it clear why I think her explanation was a rare instance of cold hard truth in what is otherwise a sea of fakeness.
There are comparisons between the idol-fan relationship and the teacher/therapist relationship, and how it would feel if a teacher/therapist out of nowhere began to lecture you on the impossibility of any friendly relations between you, but I don't think that's really important here. No matter who you're talking to, if all of a sudden they decide to distance themselves from any more familiarity than which is necessary for a professional relationship, you should indeed listen to them. Care about them as a professional prospect, but not anymore than that.

>>54067360
Don't watch the homos or even know their name. Now do you need someone to change your diapy? Sniff* They made you fall in love didn't they? THOSE WHORES! Sniff* Sniff*

>>54052658
fauna doesn't have a thick neck, everyone else have twig necks

>>54067195
>Genuine unironic mental illness.
Yes, yours for denying reality. I am not making anything into a thing. Fauna did that herself because I do not know what it is about EN streamers, but they just cannot help themselves and like having serious "talks" over bait supas.
I am sorry, simpling. Either get over it or get over her.

>>54061593
it's a copypasta so not worth a lot of breath explaining, but do you really want to be reminded mickey mouse isn't real and the guy in the big mascot suit at disneyland signing autographs is probably a college kid or something who detests every second of the job? do you go around pulling off the heads of the mascots going "haha your immersion's ruined! suck it kids, this shit is all a fantasy!!" no because that's just being a fucking dick pointlessly.

in the vtubing world what we are experiencing is as if like half the mascots at disneyland voluntarily go pull the heads off doing this because they don't get fired for doing it because they're indies or their Western bosses don't understand what was just outlined here and think it's "ok" to do.

You are all genuinely mentally ill that you're still arguing about this months later.

>>54059053
You're also an idiot because she hasn't shit on parasocalism at all and even after this rant has spoken in detail about how she understands that people rely on her for comfort which is why she tries to be there, consistently, at the same time.

This whole thing is stupid. You're all fucking stupid and so am I for responding to this fucking thread.

>>54058658
Hi, Alex.

>>54052506
>>54052506
>thinly veiled bait thread
>170 posts in an hour
>friend "yab" again
>continuously biting bait
>WHILE fauna was streaming
Saplings are so fucking bad at recognizing bait. You are Fauna's biggest antis, not schizos or catalogniggers. No wonder you're the most hated faggots on this board. Fauna deserves a better fanbase.

>>54067195
Sapling, here is some genuine advice: a ton of people on this board are literally, unironically, and seriously mentally ill. Yes, that includes Fauna's own fans. These people do NOT respond rationally to thinks you consider nothingburgers. These people do NOT let go of grudges when they get mad, especially if they are saplings and start feeling like their madonna-whore complex has been broken. You cannot reason with these people, nor can you save these people. Dismiss them, ignore them, and stop coming to the catalog. For your own mental health, pretend that no threads on this board except /uuu/ (and maybe /hlgg/) exist. Nothing of value is found in them.

>>54067963
She is not gonna fuck you, bro.

>>54068061
>You are Fauna's biggest antis, not schizos or catalogniggers
unironically the truth. It's nice that this stuff doesn't leak into other places as much, but man saplings are fucking terrible.

>>54068061
Saplings have barely functioning social motors, ofc they can't distinguish bait

>>54061040
This clip just further proves the point >>54058658 was making, holoEN doesn't get vtubing.
"Don't ship people", welcome to any fandom ever bitch

I just like fauna because she's cute and pretty and has a nice voice

>>54052506
EOP thread. I can't believe jannies allow this kind of spam 2 years later. Reminder no one oshi's a en unless he's too stupid to learn japanese.

Fauna really likes NorthernLion so she’s probably in the top 25% of mentally stable streamers, top 5% of vtubers. You can’t watch the most sane person to ever stream and not have some of that rub off on you.

I kind of want them to collab, it would be cringe kino.

>>54074582
>unironically dick sucking an eCeleb here
Kys. As soon as possible.

>>54058658
I'm happy for you, or sorry that happened idk

>minor yab
lol it wasn't even that she was basically just saying in as nice a way as possible "hey guys theres thousands of you and I don't even know you beyond a screenname its literally impossible establish a genuine friendship" only actual retards and trolls even call it a yab

>>54076398
whatever you tell yourself, simpling

>>54056703
if the SC had said "wife", she would've taken it as a joke, but because it said "friend", she decided to answer it seriously, for some reason.

>>54080354
Because she is a western woman. They cannot help but lecture fans.

>>54061911
I'm a sap but she broke Kayfabe with that one. Literally all these women think we are losers, their job is to STFU about their opinions on us and give us simulated female companionship.

>>54056026
even if it wasn't a yab, you have to admit it was a mistake, pragmatically.

>>54058658
They are basically e-courtesans, the only question is if they're high-class or low-class about it.

>>54061593
Where do you think we are? We are here because we are lonely men in a dystopic world.

>>54052506
It's not even a yab, it's shitposters trying to reach at bait claiming the whole not friends thing has any weight to it. And Fauna is 100% right

>>54081595
Maybe it wasn't a mistake if she said that to keep her mental health from declining. Giving in to the whims of unicorns would surely take a heavy toll on anyone's wellbeing.

>>54063588
If you are a handsome man and get to cum inside beautiful women daily but still watch vtubers then you are literally mentally ill.
99% of people who support vtubers are losers looking for female validation.

>>54086323
>I watch vtubers to gaslight myself into a delusion where the women I sincerely believe hold me in contempt like me back and are in love with me even though I've gone through the trouble to look through all their doxx and learn which of them have boyfriends and shit
I don't think you've got much room to accuse others of mental illness desu anon, this is like 1 step short of trying to make a tulpa (do not try to make a tulpa).

>>54086323
You could not be any further from the truth retard. Been watching Hololive for 3 years, never sent a single chat, let alone a superchat to recieve any 'validation'. Literally my entire family enjoys good Hololive clips, you fuckers here make it sound like a hobby for degenerates. There's a very significant chunk of Hololive supporters who are not just straight single men, maybe you just got that 99% purely from the userbase of this board.

>>54052506
This is a good dig at indie VTubers, but Fauna isn't any more successful than other ENs, maybe only on this board. I'll still take the owl over her any day, especially with her cringe fetish filled audience.

>>54086323
>everything you just said
What porn addiction does to a mf.
You have priority issues anon. Seek therapy.

>>54052506
She’s my friend.

>>54052649
This post really should have ended the /thread/.

>>54087015
The opinions of women are irrelevant, they will gladly fuck both black drugdealers and rich old dudes. Women are FORCED to be good girls and give the time of day to average hard working guys by a patriarchal society, which our enemies have completely destroyed in order to destroy us. The point I made still stands, if you are getting all your female needs filled by attractive 3D women then you are literally mentally ill if you are spending loads of money on vtubers.

>>54087041
If you don't give money to them then you're not a supporter retard, these girls live off the hard-earned money of lonely men, this industry doesn't need you to survive.

>>54087502
Vtubers are emotional porn.

>>54090314
i pay for yt premium, they send part of that to the streamers i watch.

>>54058658
>>54062791
High IQ posts

Low IQ drivel (vtubing is a male exploitation genre dont delude yourself)
>>54061593

>>54081587
>A vtuber makes you feel enlightened
>it means the viewer's free to make any and all assumptions on said vtuber, including marriage and exclusivity
That's your problem, psycho

>>54068125
Ignore this guy, just cause you have been lurking here for a while don't stuff up my fun of making healthy people depressed and the obvious rrats tip over the edge and seethe longer. Who gives a fuck about vtubers, you are all easy to manipulate for fun. first time posting in this thread but a genuine reminder of where the fuck you are plebs

American women were conditioned to think being a cunt is what the boys like.

>>54091994
The vtuber got maybe a few cents from that from you, if everyone was doing what you were doing then there would be no money in this industry and so nobody would be doing it. You're literally a free rider, a parasite, and yet you dare talk shit about the people bankrolled it? Get the fuck out of my hobby.

>>54053001
To be honest this just reminded me that 2010 was 13 years ago. Le fuck. You're a young guy watching Kizuna Ai and suddenly ten years have gone by.

>>54093366
It's their job, if they don't like it then they should quit and if they do a bad job then they should be fired.

>>54058658
>does nene
Nene thinks it's funny at least yeah I'd believe that.
>Luna
Luna is like the female version of an anon living out her weird fantasies through her viewers.

But this just exposes another thing which is that most of the EN girls are in the "VTUBING ISN'T REAL, SHAVE YOUR NECKBEARD, YOU'RE 30, GO FINISH YOUR COLLEGE DEGREE AND GET A JOB" matrix.

>>54093977
thanks for paying my way, appreciate it!

>>54094650
I personally haven't spent that much on hololive but I have a brain and understand that the industry only exists because of supporters.

>>54094377
Do people really tell her during stream that they just jacked off to her? Does anyone send a SC saying I just finished cumming to you?

>>54052506
but she's not my friend anon

>has boyfriend
>only streams minecraft because its easy paycheck
>low ambition
Biggest grifter in en, enjoy paying for some dudes condom money saplings

>>54076398
yeah, but an entertainer doesn't need to say that. it kind of insults the audience's intelligence. it's obvious; we know.

>>54052506
Honestly that “minor yab” isn’t that minor.
It’s the one thing, other than collabing with homos, that loses you a ton of fans.

She basically insulted her fanbase. The idea that a steamer can’t have a level of online friendship with their fans is untrue. But even if for her it is, don’t fucking say it to their face and tell them you don’t want to be their friends.

Honestly was a big sapling before that. Can’t really watch her much after.

>>54052506
I love my mommy

>>54076398
No streamer ever needs to say that out loud. It’s honestly one of the reasons EN vtubers are worse than JP ones.

JP bribers will literally play along and call you their husbandos and their sexy pirates. EN vtubers have to be like “well you know, I actually am just here for your money”

>>54101057
Sapcucks are gonna pay for her marriage with her bf at this point lol. They support their oshi's happiness at the cost of their own money and happiness. After that then they would realize the jealousy they have hidden inside themselves.

>>54062977
> Is there a rank beyond Lamy?
Faufau

>>54058658
Bullying lonely men until they break is a moral imperative.