/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>53826804
that's right. it's 声優, you uncultured faggots

>>53826804
How would you refer to the girl otherwise?

>2019
>referring to vtubers as AIs because of Kizuna's kayfabe

>hobby
lol

>>53827006
You dont, retard

>>53826804
People who think of vtubers as characters and the girls as voice actresses just expose themselves as clipwatchers because they only ever see the silliest, loudest and most anime-esque moments
They have no idea that 95% of their stream time is incredibly normal because they never opened a live stream with maybe the exception of an outfit reveal or 3D live
This is why they will start acting like a vtuber changed her whole personality when they get attention from a different clipper or clippers start clipping different parts of their streams, even if the streams are the same as they always were

>>53827006
seiyuu

>>53827033
ywnbj

>>53827006
A whore.

>>53827033
>seiyuu
This retarded logic is what wind up causing this shit board to be created

>>53827028
Yes
Next question

It's "Naka no Hito" you newfaggots

Pretending there isn‘t a real woman behind the avatar only works if they never talk about irl stuff

>>53827030
So you call them "the real girl behind the avatar"?

>>53827032
>People who think
So what do you think VTubers are? You just said what you think they aren't.

>>53828178
Read my post again very carefully. You dont. They are the character

op's mom doesn't refer to him at all because she's so ashamed

>>53828444
That doesn't make sense. It's like saying that all my YouTube accounts are me. Each of my accounts is a different character and I'm the person behind those characters.

So when do you use roommate then?

>>53828548
>an unironical legitimate clinically diagnosed schizophrenic

Enjoy your thread.

>>53828603
>argumentum ad hominem

>>53828640
>ad hominem

the fuck kind of reddit ass faggotry is this

>>53828726
go back

>>53827006
The correct vtuber term is tamashii (soul) but no one uses it anymore.

>>53828842
The best post in this thread.

>>53828726
>he doesn't know

>>53828178
Your face is an avatar, what should I call your face? Faggot?

>>53826804
Yes, they're actors playing a character, not your virtual girlfriends. Many fail to understand this simple fact!

>>53829004
Calm down, buddy.

>>53826804
>he use PL when talking about holomems

>>53826804
Yes, the correct term is Whoresona

>>53827006
中の人

>>53829469
elegant

The amount of unfiltered autism and schizophrenia in this thread is staggering. Vtubers, vtwitchers, v- whatever’s are just actors/actresses, they play up a character like a wrestler would and then go back to normal once they are off screen. None of these people are actually what they portray both in shape and personality. They may bring in elements of their real selves, but that changes nothing to the character they play.

>>53827032
I agree with this point. They're pretty much streamers and not VAs. Most content is streamed live unlike the days of Kizuna Ai

>>53829613
That's correct.

>>53828220
Entertainers who put on the same type of act as every other streamer or musician
That does not make them actors

>>53829613
Are normal flesh streamers actors/actresses? Many have admitted to playing up a character in front of the camera to garner an audience and entertain them, does that qualify them as actors/actresses?

>"There is no such thing as a 'naka no hito' for Vtubers!
She fucking understood this concept extremely well. Not once did she ever show any hint of the """VA""" during her time as Kiryu Coco because she knows that when she's streaming with that orange dragon avatar, she is playing the character of the Hololive 4th Gen member Kiryu Coco.

>>53828640
You don't know what an adhom is, retard. It's when you argue they are wrong because they are dumb instead of saying they are dumb because they are wrong. If those two are interchangable to you, then you are barely literate.

>>53830040
Flesh streamers are people who take on the role of persona/character that they present to the public.

>>53830654
what brings you here?

>>53829613
> They just play up a character
> And that character is a typical flesh streamer
Retard...
Whatever character they started off as has mostly been left behind in the hours and hours of streaming. No writer could script a six hour stream, and then write a brand new script for the next day, over and over for months and years. They might play with an anime voice, and they might sometimes drop a lewd joke and play it off accidental, but the majority of their instant reactions cannot be faked as convincingly unless they are some sort of acting genius. They don't even try to hide it-- they talk out of character constantly.

They are as much of a "character" as any other streamer.

>>53830795
You didn't answer his question. Try again.
Are streamers actors?
Yes, or no.

>>53830795
Everyone presents a persona to the public.
Is everyone an actor, retard-kun?

>>53831282
fleshtubers no, vtubers yes. case closed faggots

>>53830654
>>53831145
>>53831282

>>53827057
/thread

>>53831325
>Why? Because I said so!
Nrhd

>he says "vtuber" to refer to streamers with anime avatars

>>53828556
When two or more people live under the same roof

>>53828842
Maybe not in the west, but they do in the east.
Laplus even referred to herself that way when she was "secretly" posting about herself in her thread on 5ch last year.

>>53832675
>he thinks that you can be a vtuber and be outside of hololive

>>53829613
Yea sure. Post VA doxx then. No? Means the mask and the person are one being. If they arent, doxxes wouldnt mean anything to the streamers, just like any normal anime VA. They know if its revealed, they cant scam money from lonely and depressed men.

Normies should just keep your cuck culture to yourself.

>>53834229
what brings you here?

>>53834229
I know you retarded anon, but even asmond said he just play a character as asmond and his real personalities are vastly different when off cam. Now gtfo to twitch.

>>53834519
watching (reading) adult babies arguing with each other about their imaginary waifu.
>>53834945
Male flesh streamer and female vtubers/vstreamers attract different kinds of people to generate money. You wouldnt understand with 2 digit IQ anyway.

>>53828556
When you're not /here/ and have a slimmer of hope you're talking to someone who argues in good faith

Calling her anything other than “the girl” is pure mental illness. Seek help

Everyone has masks that they put on and take off for various situations. Talking with family, talking with friends, posting anonymously online, posting on their Twitter, as well as entertaining an audience while streaming. Whether or not they're "acting" or "playing a character" is a difficult question to answer because the line is blurry.
Saying all streamers or all vtubers are RPing is either a retarded take or reasonable depending on how thin of a mask you consider "real".
It's a fact though that it's near impossible to turn OBS on and talk to a chat for hundreds of hours over the course of months or years and not leak some of who you really are.

>>53828919
ywnbj

>>53830040
>>53830795
>>53831282
All characters have a bit of the actor that plays them, just look at how wildly doctor who seasons varies in tone despite being /technically/ the same show
Any streamer is putting on a facade, nobody acts on the internet how they would act IRL towards friends(well some do but they get become lolcows/forgotten real quickly)
The difference is, with a vtuber, there is a particular focus on escapism, which means a certain degree of detachment from reality has always been expected, I mean, nobody is watching anime girl avatars to be reminded of how things are going with work/family/frens
That would make a clear case for vtubers being actors and fleshtubers just entertainers, right?
No.
See, the thing is, many flesh(or nocam) streamers have admitted to have a general outline, if not outright scripts, of what topics they expect to bring up, talk over a stream, does reading a script in front of a camera makes you an actor?
At the same time some chuubas, lets take as an example gwar goombus, the embodyment of "head empty, shark cute", who will go on wild tangents off chat and give people ADHD by osmosis in her chat, is she an actor? Does acting like a retard and making weird sounds in front of a camera make you an actor?
Let's go even further, are journalists actors? They have a behavior they are expected to follow in front of a camera, but nobody would rightfully call actors, right?
So in the end, don't be a pendantic faggot and stop trying to categorize everything, chuubas are chuubas, they are meant to act like chuubas, if they act like something other than chuubas what are they?

>>53826804
>refer to the real girl behind the avatar
why would you refer to her at all?
i'm watching chuubas, i don't care about that

>>53827006
You have to believe she is a real anime girl.

>>53836783
Your chuuba just told you how her first Mariokart game was on the SNES, which was rented from a movie/game rental store. Equivalent of saying "hello I'm 30+" but her vtuber """lore""" says she's 18 or young adult or 120 years old or 9001. Do you just pretend you did not hear?
Comments like these are pretty common.

>>53828556
mate in the same room

>>53837283
chuuba is a 6666 year old dragon who just woke up from centuries of sleep but she knows how to use youtube to stream and how pc games work. she also knows modern slang and pop culture references. do i stop watching because it doesn't make logical sense? come on now.

>>53832675
>he says "streamers with anime avatars" when talking about animated nux taku imitators

>>53837466
We agree with each other then and are making the same point. We need ways to talk about the pilot driving the anime mech suit when the pilot sits on stream and talks about their life over whatever meme lore is built around the mech suit.

>>53829469
>>53827102
Person inside

>>53837466
>do i stop watching because it doesn't make logical sense?

>>53837817
right but even if a slip up like the mario kart example you gave happened and i noticed, i still don't see why i should discuss it in depth. if i talk about something my chuuba said in a zatsu i'll just use her chuuba name because she was the one telling the story. i'm not autistic about fantasy lore or whatever, but as a fan of the persona i don't see the need to make the distinction. i respect that people want to, but personally i'm just watching a stream. when the stream ends i do something else with my life. i don't care for the differences between what the chuuba shows me and the "person behind", so i don't have a preferred term to refer to her in that way.

>>53838066
>something else with my life.
Normies. Did you know what kind of messages sent by $100 SC? Thats the kind of people that pays for steamers' paycheck. You think sane people would SC their live saving away for someone they cant touch or reach?

>>53838603
what do superchats have to do with the OP or the discussion we were having? i don't care about the people behind chuubas because i'm a fan of their chuuba selves is all i was saying.

>>53827006
anon, irys really is part succubus part angel.

>>53828842
cringe

>>53829004
you should call it a face?
Avatar Definition
1a manifestation of a deity or released soul in bodily form on earth; an incarnate divine teacher.
an incarnation, embodiment, or manifestation of a person or idea.
"he chose John Stuart Mill as the avatar of the liberal view"
2.
an icon or figure representing a particular person in video games, internet forums, etc.
"conversation is depicted in a balloon over the avatar's head"

>>53838679
let me simplify for your two digit IQ.
>female streamer wear mask and say she isnt in relationship
>she acts cute and charming towards her fans
>fans get charmed and pays real $$$
>suddenly doxx occurs
>fans felt like their money got scammed and feelings betrayed because streamer was only playing character.

this shitfest can be solved if streamer presents their doxx first, then plays character. But that wouldnt rake in $$$, right? Then would you say the same and spend $$$ if you know their real persona while they play the character? Remember, even though the character isnt real, the $$$ is real and can be spend on real things.

>>53838953
She's both succubus and angel when she's in her LoliRyS form.

IRyS VA is a whore

>>53828556
You don't, like ever.

>>53827102
For me is zense

Roommate

As long as there's no clear alternate word, VA is the way to go. I gotta separate the girl from the VTuber, if my oshi graduates and changes company/design/character it's back to square one, I don't give a shit about her unless she impresses me all over again.

anon's VA is a whore

>>53827030
You did so in the OP

>>53826804
I'd call Irys a whore and the girl inside a whore.