/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>5375550
nice those vids tend to highlight how much of a brain damaged schizo the female vtubers are compared to the males

I'm a lesbian I hate seeing them interact with men

>>5375550
That was company mandated collab because [insert cope here]

>>5375550
This is the reason I never like holo girls. They are as 3DPD as it can get, just a real woman behind the 2D avatar

I love male x female collabs. I like when they tease each other, are protective, are horny, etc. However I don't give a shit if a girl decides to throw away her male contacts like Miko, there are other collabs to watch. Being hung up on her is pointless.

>>5375751
anon...

>>5375550
Why the fuck would I donate 20% of my monthly salary to a woman if I didn't believe she was my GF?
THINK OP THINK

>>5375668
Seeing how the men on this site speak would be a very good way to turn you from a lesbian into a raging bulldyke, I'll give you that

>>5375550
>So how many of you are actual unicorns and how many of you just pretend to be one for (you)
I used to be one, I guess. I remember feeling like I'm getting cucked when their doorbell rang on stream. Then one day I just stopped watching vtuber completely. Now I only watch Japanese streamer playing piano and some male Nijis.
>What are your thoughts on male/female vtuber collabs in general?
I don't watch it, and I blocked+unsubbed their accounts if I saw any collabs I don't like on my feed.

>>5375550
Any sign of a male will get me to totally drop a chuuba or even an entire company in the case of Nijisanji. I used to be a big fan of Niji lolis like Chihiro, Ririmu, and Alice. Once I found out that Nijisanji had males in it I dropped them super quick despite being a pretty big fan. Haven't watched them since.

>>5375668
seethe

>>5375885
>I dropped them super quick despite being a pretty big fan.
Must be a great, lonely live you life. Pathetic loser.

>>5375550
I love them. Always amusing to see the male chubas tiptoeing and shit around the girls lol. Like that Sora and gatchman collab last year, dude was nervous af kek

>>5375885
Anon, I got bad news for you about Hololive Production...

>>5375987
Homostars are kept segregated in their own gated ghetto where those losers belong. I'm ok with that.

>>5375885
>I dropped them super quick despite being a pretty big fan.
Must be a great, lonely life you live. Pathetic loser.

>>5375967
Sorry for having standards. If I wanted to watch whores I could just turn on MTV or something. Chuuba whores that interact with males is something I don't need to watch when there are much better options.

>>5376094
Just curious, which vtubers do you like?

>>5376045
Did you really delete your last reply to post the exact same thing again but worded differently? Autistic roasties are rare but they do exist I guess

The girls I watch most frequently don't collab with males but if they did I would watch. I don't see any problem with it.

>>5375550
Idolfag here
I'm fine with it

>>5376146
Why are you using /r9k/ terminology? This is a board dedicated to worshipping women.

>>5376045
>if your gf isn't getting ass ravaged by other men you are lonely
>if you find value in your attraction as an exclusive, monogamous mate, you are a loser
NTA anon but Niji's anti-gachikoi attitude was on the writing on the wall and I have thrown them away like the rags they are despite donating quite a bit myself and watching for a while

I will not be denigrated, and I will shun whores who cannot commit.

>>5376207
>writing on the wall
Anon they're as subtle about it as a brick to the face. Hisui has decried unicornniggers on multiple occasions. Every single active female in the company has collabed with a male at least once. The fact that you realized it as late as you did just makes you a retard.

reminder that physically attractive incels who start using pick-up artist techniques almost always end up getting laid in the end

>>5375668
YWNBAW

>>5375550
Despite not caring about GFE, when the chuuba i watch interacts with a male, it literally gives me the same feeling i got when my girlfriends talked to other men. It's fucking weird, so i dislike it. Would not drop a chuuba for it tho, just avoid those streams. My oshi is Risu so i have some experiences with avoiding male collabs.

>>5376146
>Did you really delete your last reply to post the exact same thing again but worded differently?
Yes, I made a grammar mistake that was kinda embarrassing. If my Oshie goes to this thread and sees my broken English, that would be hell on earth.

>>5376238
Then they were never incels, they were volcels.

>>5376172
>This is a board dedicated to worshipping women.
Have sex disgusting femcel

>>5375550
>So how many of you are actual unicorns
yes
>What are your thoughts on male/female vtuber collabs in general?
Cancer, male and female friendship doesn't exist. Also all the cancerous shipping, it's all what the male collab beggars want.

>>5376207
the fact that you see vtubers as your girlfriend makes you a loser, yes

>>5376256
>oshie

>>5376207
Based
Niji is just too normal fag for me and having whores who hang out with males is a big part of that. Niji is basically the reality show (like big brother or something) of vtubing. Whores hanging out with males, gossip, and drama everywhere. Keep males out of vtubing.

>>5376301
I'm Indian. Fuck my ass, this is all I got.

>>5376207
Holy based.

>>5375885
Based

>>5376207
>whores who cannot commit.
you mean girls who claim to love their entire fanbase 1 million dudes of which you are just a tiny speck of dust? kek enjoy

>>5376172
>This is a board dedicated to worshipping women
/r9k/ does it too, just to the small amount of women they like.

>>5376207
>I will not be denigrated, and I will shun whores who cannot commit.
You're nothing more than a money pig to them.

>>5375550
It feels good knowing the Hololive girls want to be idols and will always cater to their Gachikois over redditfags who have a cuckold fetish

>>5376369
Matuli...

This board would be so much better without the clearly schizo lesbian poster who really needs to go outside
Yes that one who posts about Miko all day and is posting here right now

>>5376392
She knows she made a huge mistake and is making an effort to be more seiso, but I think the damage is already done.

>>5376393
>This board would be so much better without the clearly schizo lesbian poster who really needs to go outside
If they would all leave, the board would be pretty much dead.

>>5376277
Fantastic point anon. There is no such thing as natural friendship between a male and a female. There will always be an expectation of sex or "something more". That is why male vtubers are rotten to the core and I feel actual hatred towards Nijisanji for attempting to normalize that behavior. Luckily Hololive hit it big and brought things back to normalcy a bit but as you can see from all the cucks, the damage was already done.

>>5376419
Better dead than whatever it is now.

>>5376428
And if the friendship consists of a fag and a dyke?

>>5376243
why are you fags like this
this is why your oshi will never like you

>>5376393
Is he an actual lesbian girl?

>>5376428
Kizuna Ai was collabing with males from the get go, this isn't behavior becoming normalized this is behavior that was normal from the start and 2020 entryist Holofag subverters attempting to change that

>>5376419
Sure, but after a while it would start attracting more and more non-schizos.

>>5376418
https://twitter.com/papavip_trpg/status/1401175725592526851?s=19
lol, on top of all the men she collabs with in apex, she just doesn't give a fuck anymore.

>>5376237
>Hisui has decried unicornniggers on multiple occasions
Yeah and that's why she's a nobody. You don't become successful by spitting on paying customers faces.

>>5375751

>>5376615
There is a reason her viewership has tanked after all. As Hololive fans we are not ok with male vtubers.

>>5376250
Meds

>>5375550
i'm fine with them.

>>5376428
>Niji normalizes...human relationships
Good one anon

>>5376642
>nobody
She's the top performer in her wave behind Chigusa. Hoshikawa who talks about getting choked during sex is one of the most popular Nijis. The only "people" that get offended by this sort of thing are unicorns.

>>5376642
I just looked up Hisui's numbers and holy crap are they bad. I wonder why.............

>>5376484
There is nothing wrong with occasional arranged collab like Ai-chan did or Sora did or wholesome interaction like ollie-astel or subaru-maimoto. The cringe fest was like the niji male/female interaction that's going as far as people shipping them and making doujin out of it. Im not into GFE, but boi do it feel weird when they get "flirty" on screen it even put an ntr lover like me off.

>>5376250
She will never care about you.

>>5376735
160k is not bad for a newer Nijisanji liver. But of course Holofag Unicorns wouldn't know what good numbers are, either.

Can someone tell me what a unicorn is please thanks appreciate that haha

>>5376737
>wholesome interaction
No such thing between male and female chuubas. It's always disgusting.
>NTR lover
Oh, now your statement makes sense. You admit to being a cuck.

>>5376737
Then your problem isn't male/female collabs your problem is male/female flirtation and there are plenty of interactions that don't cross that threshold in Nijisanji
If you think the turbofaggot Akina is at all a threat to the girls that's a (you) problem, especially

>>5376797
You know how Unicorns in myth are supposed to hate anyone that isn't a virgin woman? They're like that. The kind of idolfag who sends death threats if a man even breathes too hard near their oshi, and the kind of anon that screams cuck at the same.

I am
If a chuuba isnt virgin i just cant bring myself to like her properly

She's not your girlfriend, she doesn't even know who you are, you can't be a "cuck" when the only thing you have sex with is your hand or cocksleeve.

>>5376737
>There is nothing wrong with occasional arranged collab like Ai-chan did or Sora did or wholesome interaction like ollie-astel or subaru-maimoto
Yeah I know what you're talking about. Especially the MaiSuba, it stopped being wholesome when that whore Shigure Ui came in and flirt with Maimoto non-stop. Subaru can't even get close to Maimoto anymore nowadays.
And before anyone saying it's Cover putting Subaru in a cage, it's not. Just look at this >>5376615 There's no restriction, Cover doesn't fucking do anything.

>>5376735
>she isn't getting 50k every stream so she's bad
Numberfags need to be put on antipsychotics

Jesas, all that samefagging deleted.

>>5376838
Thank you I get it now lol

>>5376977
>banned him
Jannies... I kneel.

>>5377012
Jannies are a bunch of faggots who want to turn this place into reddit

>he was replying to himself
Thanks for the laugh, meidos.

>>5377061
They did their job for once. He got deleted in at least 2 threads I was following. That's good enough for me.

>>5375550
Bros, I miss when Miko had this much soul

I don't give a darn. They're entertainers to me first and foremost, what they do on their private lives is up to them. Not like we'd find out every detail unless someone squeaked.
Dang, now I want the dudes to bang or pretend bang the girls live just to see the reaction from people. Or the guy talking for long periods of time and you hear constant sucking noises.

> how many of you are actual unicorns?
I was a unicorn when I started watching vtubers with holo, I even remember feeling bad when lamy was teetee with botan (pol is my oshi, so it kinda reflected in that), after some time I understood it's not sane to be on a para-social relationship with vtubers.
> What are your thoughts on male/female vtuber collabs in general?
They have a different flavor, and can be very funny, I even enjoy female-male ships, not like it really matters, cause most are pure content.

What the hell happened in this thread

>>5377460
An anti-male schizo who's been plaguing the board for a bit got banned, if you mean the deleted posts.

>>5377476
>An anti-male schizo
I see. I wonder if this board has 1 schizo changing ips everytime hes banned or if we have a fuckton of schizos. I've been in many boards but this one legit has one schizo getting banned each day

Protip, Japanese gave hololive's fans the name "horocorn" and they get the same treatment as Lovelive idolfags

>>5377568
Unfortunately, I'm pretty sure there's a whole group of them. Probably less than a dozen, but still more than one.

>>5377574
Thanks, I'll be using holocorn from now on.

Male and female collabs are cool
Chuubas who choose to not interact with the opposite gender are cool
Viewers who cause problems for chuubas who interact with the opposite gender fucking suck

>>5377620
Based.

>>5377620
The only based post in this thread

>>5377620
This

>>5377620
Viewers who cause problems with anything suck and should get their ethernet cord snipped. Just enjoy or bitch about it privately instead of forcing the Vtuber to bend to your will.

>>5377685
Like the viewers who complain about Hololive and VShojo collabs? (:

>>5375668
Lesbians don't exist honey.

>>5376207
holy goddamned BASED

>>5377705
Depends on how it's done

>>5377705
I don't know the full story of that debacle because I don't watch either side but sending ARS akasupas and trying to organize /vt/ to dislike the video was retarded. Also they need to stop flooding the board with 45 threads every time.

>>5377705
Yes

>>5375550
I'm a complete shipperfag.

>>5375668
I'm /u/fag, but dilate.

>>5375550
>What are your thoughts on male/female vtuber collabs in general?
The fact that unicorns are so braindamaged they think any collab between male and female talents is automatically somehow "romance" or "cucking" or any of that bullshit is all I need to know, to know that anything that drives them out of this fanbase is good. Holy fuck what retards.

>>5375550
I only approve of male collabs if it's with an ugly bastard.

>>5377705
If you actively try and cause problems for the chuuba instead of keeping it /here/ then yes. Just dislike the video and move on, unsub if you're THAT mad about it.

>>5376910
This.

Collabs are cool, no matter if they're in a group, one-on-one, male and female, or off-collabs.
The main purpose of collabs is to find interesting vtubers to watch. And if the people involved are having fun, then who the fuck cares?

>>5377980
>And if the people involved are having fun, then who the fuck cares?
This is the exact reason why Niji isn't that popular anymore. Vtubers job is to entertain people. If they just want to have fun among themselves, might as well do it off-stream instead.

>>5378149
Watching a stream isn't fun if the chuubas aren't having fun.

>>5378149
>Niji isn't that popular anymore
Stopped reading there.
Nijisanji is as popular as ever, it just didn't have the same explosive growth Hololive did.

>>5377131
>collabing with male = soul
Kys nijinigger

I'm not a unicorn, im just not a cuck.

>>5378149
>Niji isn't that popular anymore.
No. It's Hololive who get massive from chink and rest of the world. Nijisanji still retain their grip on Japanese viewers and slightly decreased due to pandemics being over.

>>5378262
Read: I'm a unicorn, and schizo enough to think that's normal.

>>5378149
People having fun together is entertaining.

>>5375550
Depends on the chubba. I watched Pikamee collab with the holostars but didn't watch when the flirtatious whore Fatsuri did.

>>5376164
>The girls I watch most frequently don't collab with males
And you think that's just a coincidence?

>>5378262
You're a bigger cuck than anyone else.

>>5378149
Hololive just exploded because they bent to the chinese and the western market which brought in a lot of them to the JP branch. Holo is the definition of normie Vtuber.

I only really care that they're entertaining and that they're not solely doing collab streams.
That said I don't generally find most male vtubers nearly as amusing as the women.

>>5378297
>>5378372
t. cucks

I'm not a cuck, I just absolute LOVE watching girl I like flirting with other men.

>>5378448
Why would I be upset at someone I watch for entertainment flirting with someone else. Don't tell me you're seriously in love with the chuubas you watch or something.

>>5378397
>s-she said she needs my undying love and support there's no way she has a boyfriend!
get a real girlfriend you mentally ill unicorn

I don't care as long as they aren't flirting. Luckily my oshi is a holo and has good judgment, so she recognises the importance of maintaining her purity.

> how many of you are actual unicorns?

God this is a stupid mindset. I hope all my favorite chuubas are getting dicked (or licked) if they want to be. Sex is fun and I want their lives to be fun.

> What are your thoughts on male/female vtuber collabs in general?

Shouldn't be harshly encouraged or discouraged, whether by fans or their management.

Some people are more comfortable with friends of their own sex IRL, so it makes sense that some of them want to just just stream with their girl friends. If that's the reason, cool. If it's because cover is appeasing assholes who can't bear the thought of their precious idol even glancing at someone with a dick, that's bullshit.

I totally watch idols over male streamers because I find the idols more entertaining then men.
I'm totally not watching them because they're cute or something. It's their entertainment value not because they're women I swear.
It's like comedians, I totally watch female comedians over male comedians because female ones are absolutely more entertaining.

>>5376871
Your oshi is most definitely not a virgin

>>5378448
>A girl interacting with a guy in any way is flirting.
Have a (you).

>>5378565
Good for you anon, I guess. Personally I also watch male streamers. Whoever I enjoy :)

>>5377858
Same

>>5378565
>female vtubers that arent idols don't exist
what did im copingchama mean by this?

>>5378631
Means he's a 2020 Holofag at the earliest who thinks that's how all vtubers are.

>>5378565
Male streamers>female vtubers>male vtubers>female streamers.

>>5378971
Male vtubers>female vtubers>shit>male streamers>female streamers

I don't care if they collab with men but I don't watch it either. I do care when they collab with real human beans though, regardless of who it is.

>>5377620

>>5378589
Not him but no one's saying that. People like Sasaki and Himawari don't flirt, while someone like Shigure Ui who already had Maimoto but she's so thirsty she's ready to jump on Touya and a motherfucking Peanuts-kun dicks the first time they collabed(I mean, Peanuts-kun is a rapper and he's good looking irl but damn). Saying a girl interacting with a guy in any way is flirting is retarded for sure but saying girls never flirt on stream is also wrong.

It's kind of crazy that this is even a topic that people argue about. Can you imagine if you turned on your TV and your friend started talking about how they refuse some cookery show because there is a male and female chef on the screen at the same time and they feel they are being cucked by it. People would think they were insane, like this person couldn't even watch the news without feeling like they were being cucked.

>>5375550
I literally don't mind male/female vtuber collabs because I'm not a fucking schizo

>>5375550
I got into vtubers after watching that one Ebimaru compilation.
I don't have a unicorn bone in my body and never did.

>>5375550
>unicorns
Do you even know what the term actually refers to?

>>5379371
These people are insane but this kind of insanity is encouraged now

>>5379298
Well, the guy I replied to certainly seemed to imply that.
I watch a lot of male-female collabs and there's barely any flirting ever.

I like them, they highlight how menhera almost all female vtubers are.

>>5376676
>>5376760
No him, but there is nothing abnormal about having envy over others being able to directly interact with their object of fancy. Seems he handled his emotional overflow fairly reasonably from what I can see.

>>5379371
It's amusing to see the behavior in action.

>>5379643
Everything about it is abnormal and getting mad over a woman, who you are nothing more than a source of income to and that is all you ever will be, interacting with a male is beyond pathetic and if you engage in this sort of behavior or support it you should unironically neck yourself

>>5379543
Go on, anon. Tell us what unicorn means.

>>5375668
Just like me (straight white male)!

>>5379371
>like this person couldn't even watch the news without feeling like they were being cucked.
Good argument, i will now act like this

>>5379643
It definitely is an abnormal response to get upset over entertainers interacting with people of the opposite sex.

>>5378574
Dont care i'm not listening to haters

>>5379711
I can't even think of any insult.

>>5375885

>>5379814
Enjoy your delusion until one day the distinct sound of a male makes it's appearance on your oshi's stream.

>>5378262

Thankfully I'm not a schizo and can enjoy someone like Kagura Mea or DWU. Too bad ojou-sama has declined.

>>5379761
Why don't you tell me with your shitty sarcasm?

>>5379739
IMAX would envy your levels of projection, anon. Keep up the good work!

>>5379807
It's actually far more common than you think. People aren't normally self-aware or capable of working through their emotions since society doesn't normally prepare them to do this. Its why we have constant, pointless arguments over trivial matters like shit like which console manufacturer is best, what flavor of soda tastes better and why its actually orange juice, or which love interest should be the ultimate winner of the MC's affection. People will dedicate brain power to things and some will invest themselves emotionally to the point they need to justify this emotion one way or another.

That anon was at least self-aware enough that he simply chose to avoid his oshi's male collabs over going full schizo like actual stalker unicorns that will declare their object of affection impure for merely breathing the same air as a male in the vicinity.

>>5379960
>assblasted from sarcasm
Why are you on 4chan?

>>5380244
>dumfounded by snark
Why are you?

>>5380217
It's a highly abnormal response. If there were lots of people that genuinely got upset by it you wouldn't see it all day everyday in almost every form of media available. Just fringe weirdos that are obsessive to the point of mental illness that get upset over this shit.

>>5375550
I dont really care as long as they are entertaining to watch, for example my favorite duo is astel + ollie. They are pretty entertaining together also very wholesome.

>>5375550
As long as the stream is entertaining I don't mind. Sure I like attention from my oshi, but i also like banter and play. I wouldn't even mind if my oshi had a lover and talked about it as long as they didn't quit streaming or do boring streams. I don't come to vtubers to fill my need for romantic intimacy.

>>5380283
NTA but while you're not wrong, Anon being able to go "I don't like this, so I'll avoid it" does put him leagues above half the world when it comes to handling his emotions, even if the reaction itself is abnormal.

>>5375550
If the male is a vtuber and they aren't doing it to fuck roommates then I'm ok with it.

>>5379371
Not really, this whole operation is a surrogate relationship and you're deluded if you think everyone is here for the low quality entertainment.

>>5375668
holy based

>>5379711
>(opinions of a sperging otaku)
Based honest unicorn

>>5375550
If they give GFE, then they have no business doing male collabs. It's that simple. There's a reason (good) GFE chuubas also purposely don't focus too much on individual fans, and it's considered autistic to try and stand out too much as a fan. Holos know this for the most part, and this is the main reason they avoid male collabs.
If they are not doing GFE, I don't watch them. Because anime girl-themed, non-slutty GFE is literally the only thing Vtubers are exceptional at. Why the fuck would I waste my time watching them for ANY other reason? 3D streamers are far better at everything else. The only Vtuber I've ever heard of that I'd consider watching is that fag that's like, top 10 in the world at APEX, and that's only if I liked APEX. which I don't really.
Considering unicorn chuubas are the most successful numbers-wise, I reckon my stance is more prevalent than some of you would like to admit.

>>5375550
what does
>unicorn
mean in this context? This is the first time I've heard it used on this site.

>>5386472
Do your reps or lurk for 10 thousand more years, lazy newnigger

>>5386472
a unicorn is a magical horse that doesnt actually exist, just the same unicorn fans are magical people that dont actually exist.

>>5378500
>>5378372
>>5379866
>"I at least know I'm a cuck, so that makes me less of a cuck than you!"

>>5385884
This. If you are unironically watching GFE vtubers like Holos for just the entertainment then I have a Fallout 76 subscription to sell you.

>>5385884
>>5386454
This. Why the fuck are people pretending that they don't care about the parasocial relationship aspect when they're watching vtubers? Maybe they do it to feel superior to people who are honest?
If you seriously don't care, why not just play video games or watch anime/movies/dramas or whatever? I'm sure anything is more entertaining than watching vtubers for people like you.

>>5386454
based

>>5386848
Probably the kind of incels that call other people incels online. Sad, but it is what it is.

>>5386454
It's very prevalent, anyone who pretends otherwise is ignorant. Look at how much Towa's career and image suffered just from having a male voice heard on her stream. Any hololive talent who revealed she was in a relationship would see at least a 30% drop in superchats overnight.

>>5386686
"She doesn't collab or mention men so she's pure, so therefore I am in a relationship with her and will dump thousands of dollars on her"

As opposed to

"This person is kind of funny, have a dollar"

The only cucks in this situation are the retards deluding themselves into thinking the anime girl isn't a real person with real relationships separate from their vtuber identity, or worse they think it's okay since she doesn't mention it as her vtuber persona.
"BUT SHE'S TOO AUTISTIC TO HAVE A BOY FRIEND!, SHE'S A LESBIAN I JUST KNOW IT., HER VTUBER PERSONA DOESN'T CHEAT ON ME SO IT DOESN'T MATTER THAT HER ROOMMATE HAS A BOYFRIEND!"

You are the cuck.

>>5386454
>>5387231
Being prevalent doesn't make it good you fucking cucks.

>>5386686
it's only cucking if you think of the chuuba as a girlfriend substitute in the first place. You are literally imagining a relationship so you can feel cucked. That's worse than actually being cucked, because at least then you had something at some point.

>>5387310
>or worse they think it's okay since she doesn't mention it as her vtuber persona.
>>5387334
>You are literally imagining a relationship so you can feel cucked. That's worse than actually being cucked, because at least then you had something at some point.
Real talk, are you both being serious here? Is this what you really think is going on?

>>5386454
This. The parasocial, GFE, corporate idol aesthetics, and group dynamics of Hololive is what makes it so fascinating.(That said, I also watch indies and small corpos.) There's not much of a reason to watch them otherwise. For almost everything else normal streamers that speak your native language are better. The avatar is just a gimmick. I think people are just too ashamed to admit this. They wouldn't dare express these opinions on their public accounts. As for myself I wouldn't have a meltdown if my favorite chuubas did male collabs, I just prefer that they don't.

>>5375550
I’ve seen so many falseflaggers, I can tell you for a fact the majority are just trolling

>>5387491
Yes. I fundamentally do not understand the unicorn mindset. I know it's profitable and some vtubers pander to it, but I can't understand what makes people decide to pretend their in a relationship with their oshi.

>>5375550
i'm absolutely okay with that, why wouldn't I be? I'm not insecure about my sexuality. I'm horny for both genders

>>5387685
It's a psychological trick. Repeated exposure to a persona that talks to "you" tricks the brain into thinking they are actually your friends. Some people are more susceptible to it or choose to give in to the fantasy.

>Accordingly, there are similar psychological processes at work in both parasocial relationships and face-to-face interactions. However, the parasocial relationship does not follow the process of the typical long-term relationship. The media user remains a stranger to the media figure, whereas this "strangeness" would gradually evaporate in typical social interaction. Many parasocial relationships fulfill the needs of typical social interaction, but potentially reward insecurity. Many who possess a dismissive attachment style to others may find the one-sided interaction to be preferable in lieu of dealing with others, while those who experience anxiety from typical interactions may find comfort in the lives of celebrities consistently being present.[18]

>>5378378
>>5378378
>Holo bent to chinese
Funny you say this when Niji depends on Chinese money and even lets Bilibili operate an entire branch of their company. But Holo is the one that bent to Zhang....right.....

>Holo is normie vtuber
Again, you are completely off base. Hololive caters to and grabs the hardcore Otaku market. Nijisanji is LITERALLY normiefag entertainment in Japan

God you are dumb

>>5386848
>Why the fuck are people pretending that they don't care about the parasocial relationship aspect when they're watching vtubers?
Why are you projecting?

I don't mind them talking with males or even collabs as long as they aren't fucking each other or are in a relationship.

>>5375550
There's not much point in vtubing other than roleplaying as the viewers' anime waifu. It might not be convenient, but boys do get jealous and competitive, so you have to consider that when you do male collabs.

These are my rules that every vtuber should follow if they want to collab with males

•Male should be a vtuber
•Male shouldn't have more followers than female
•One to one male to female collab ratio
•No sexual innuendos
•No more than 2 hours per collab
•No more than 4 collabs per month
•Male should not have a sensual voice

>>5386454
>3D streamers are far better at everything else.
Real life streamers can't shrink their model and pose it right next to a Genshin character without look out of place. Real life streamers can't switch from a loli body to an adult body on a dime. Real life streamers can't play a koala getting drowned in wine. Real life streamers can't summon a cyborg dragon. Real life streamers can't summon gigantic Gantz arms and have a flashy Smash-style duel.

The virtual medium allows you get away will all kinds of shit that's impossible with a facecam. If you don't personally care for any of that shit, that's fine. Just don't act like that pretending to be anime girlfriends is the only thing Vtubers can do that real life streamers can't, because that's blatantly untrue.

>>5388118
>Funny you say this when Niji depends on Chinese money
Significantly less so than Hololive did pre-Taiwan yab.
>even lets Bilibili operate an entire branch of their company
A partnership is basically required if you want to operate as a foreign country in China.
VirtuaLive has the bare minimum connection to Nijisanji to technically be considered a branch. Pretty sure they reason they don't have "Nijisanji" in the name is even so Anycolor could easily, if need be, cut them away more painlessly than what happened with HoloCN.
And unlike Hololive, Nijisanji hasn't had to suspend any of their livers over reading YouTube Analytics, so clearly they're doing something right here.

> Hololive caters to and grabs the hardcore Otaku market. Nijisanji is LITERALLY normiefag entertainment in Japan
In Japan sure, although some Nijisanji members are very much intended to appeal to otaku. But if you think the western vtuber market doesn't have Hololive as a baseline and Nijisanji as a more hardcore otaku alternative you're delusional.

>>5387685
Okay, I'll take you in good faith
>but I can't understand what makes people decide to pretend their in a relationship with their oshi.
It's the same reason why people 'decide' to get invested in the romance of characters in a book or a novel. Or why people "pretend" to be in Skyrim by buying a VR headset and RPing a character.
It's just a fun emotional investment, albeit a rather intense one, like any other activity. Actual relationships require intimacy and special acknowledgement, exclusivity and reciprocity. None of these are present or expected in a parasocial relationship.
To put it in simple terms, a good GFE chuuba is like a celebrity crossed with a dating sim. Sure, a few schizos take it too seriously, but schizos exist everywhere in every sort of relationship, parasocial or not.
Not wanting them to interact with men is like not wanting plot holes in your favorite manga. It's less of a feeling of "being cucked" and more of a feeling of "your experience being ruined", or for some, something in the middle. It's just called the former colloquially.

I don't give a fuck about the gf experience, but I do find annoying is when shipper fans keep nagging about collabs with a pairing and don't care about their solo content.

>>5379015
Female Vtubers>Female Streamers>punching yourself in the balls>Male Streamers>eating literal dig shit>Male Vtubers

>>5388340
All of that is bottom of the barrel, garbage-tier gimmick bullshit that only takes up 1% of most vtuber's streams and you know it. Get the fuck out of here.

>>5386848
Not everyone is a weak minded idiot to fall into parasocial relationships stop typing stupid shit.

>>5388612
imagine typing the word parasocial unironically

>>5388431
That's not unreasonable, but I think you're putting far too much faith in some of the unicornfags.
If an idol cultivates the GFE, no-male-ever thing and then suddenly changes that's fine to get upset about just because it's a betrayal of expectations. There are limits (like obviously sending death threats or something is insane), but if you came for one thing and got another that's always annoying.
But a lot of the time unicorns are putting that expectation on chuubas who never even implied they would follow that rule, or even made it clear they wouldn't from the start, and their reactions make it obvious that they're treating this as seriously as if an actual girlfriend cheated on them.
To go with the manga analogy, a lot of the time it feels less like plot holes and more like the kinds of people who get invested in shipping and then if it doesn't happen burn their books and scream "the author can't write, and anyone telling me the ship wasn't actually foreshadowed can't read." for years afterward. Except worse, because they then extend that to the ENTIRE medium, and pretend everyone who DOESN'T do that are the delusional ones. It's insufferable.
Also thank you for not just replying with "*they're", I didn't notice the typo until just now.

>>5386454
>If they give GFE
Problem is that Uniniggers apply their retarded standards to girls who don't.
Nijisanji's Hisui never once did GFE, yet somehow there were unicorns getting on her case for her many collabs with guys. She basically told them to fuck off, which is great, but one of them was actually mad enough to clip it and put it on NND in an attempt to make her look bad. Thankfully, the comments were almost exclusively people mocking him, but it still shows that unicorns are cancer who need to stay in their lane.

The one good thing about Hololive for a non-Holofag is that it's supposed to contain these faggots, but apparently they can't even do that right.

>>5388340
He's a retard and a half who probably thinks that Hololive invented vtubing.

>>5389017
You know, i have been asking myself about things for sometimes.
What's with the anti-male character/person sentiment in lot's of otaku-based media? I see lot's of this kind of people on gacha, game, anime, manga, and Vtubers.

>>5389017
Yeah, that's pretty much my problem. If it's about someone like Rushia who's all about GFE complain all you want. But if you're going to say a vtuber who's been around for years before you even watched vtubers and was doing fine is suddenly wrong because Hololive is your only frame of reference? Fuck off, unicorn.
>>5389202
It's exactly what it seems like. If it's waifu based media, they want to self-insert and a male with actual characterization gets in the way. And god forbid there's any kind of canon relationship.

>>5388820
thing is, it's almost entirely unicorns. they will even whiteknight for their girl against unicorns.

Unicorns are unironically based and are the only line of defense preventing vtubing from becoming pozzed like every other damn form of entertainment media. One day you will all thank them.

>>5389718
No. Fuck menhera faggotcorns

>>5389718
I hated unicorns before newfags made Hololive the norm and I'll hate them when Hololive collapses.

>>5389718
Spoken like a true Holocorn.

>>5389761
I hated unicorns ever since the Kannagi manga controversy. Oh no the 100-year-old goddess had a boyfriend once, let's cancel the author because we're insecure fuckfaces. When was that shit again? 2009? I think idols as a concept are cool but Jesus Christ they attract the most disgusting human beings ever in the form of unicorns.

>>5388740
Imagine getting pissed over a word

>>5388820
>But a lot of the time unicorns are putting that expectation on chuubas who never even implied they would follow that rule
Nope. Giving GFE is an implication that you would follow this rule, especially when you never collab with males for months beforehand, and talk about everything going on in your 'life' BUT anything that has to do with guys.
>a lot of the time it feels less like plot holes and more like the kinds of people who get invested in shipping and then if it doesn't happen burn their books and scream "the author can't write, and anyone telling me the ship wasn't actually foreshadowed can't read." for years afterward
Plotfags can be just as bad as shippers, believe you me. The only difference is that the former throws bitchfits about things that are considered more objective and intellectual, while the latter less so. They both can be equally as schizophrenic though.
>Except worse, because they then extend that to the ENTIRE medium, and pretend everyone who DOESN'T do that are the delusional ones. It's insufferable.
Well think about it like this. There are also lots of people that (like OP) who go picking fights with unicornfags and their oshis, both of which are happy with the arrangement, calling them incels/e-thots and saying they should drop their goslings and collab with guys ("don't you want creative freedom?!?!?!?!") It's just as prevalent.
We all can bring up examples and counter-examples till the cows come home, but at the end of the day, both sides of the issues have their shitflingers. Don't be a partisan and only see one side.

>>5389017
>getting on her case for her many collabs with guys
Well, that's a nice anecdote. There are also lots of faggots getting on Rushia's case for NOT collabing with guys, or on Miko's case for stopping.

>The one good thing about Hololive for a non-Holofag is that it's supposed to contain these faggots, but apparently they can't even do that right.
Well, the one good thing about Nijisanji is that they were supposed to contain the cucks, but apparently they can't even do that right.

>>5388336
>Male should be a vtuber
No, I feel less cucked when they're collabing with real people.
>Male shouldn't have more followers than female
Why? Wouldn't that seem like the female is letting the male leech her off?
>One to one male to female collab ratio
No. It feels too much like an 合コン, unequal amount of male or female is better, preferably more male than female in one collab.
>No sexual innuendos
Agreed. This one is absolutely essential.

>>5390052
>when you never collab with males for months beforehand, and talk about everything going on in your 'life' BUT anything that has to do with guys
So blogposting is GFE, riight.

>>5390052
Why does Unicorn always called people who enjoy normal relationships between humans(it wasn't even romantic) as "cucks"?
As if they projecting their need of GFE to other people.

>>5390052
>on Miko's case for stopping.
She deserves it.
Two-faced whore.

>>5390292
>reading comprehension
Try reading the entire sentence as it was written.
>>5390318
>implying that non-GFE is the default when GFE is the most successful and prevalent.
Gee, no clue. I guess it just rolls off the tongue really well.

>>5390447
Of course it's always about numbers, just like MCU or Cinematic games
You still hasn't answer my question

>>5390318
>As if they projecting their need of GFE to other people.
They are. They cannot fathom why other people can survive without the GFE. I just like to watch entertaining, interesting people and the cartoon avatars make them easier to digest. I'm not under the delusion that I'm in a special relationship with the streamer.

>>5375550
I usually dislike Male/Female collabs, because every single time it very obviously shows that the male is more normal, much smarter, etc.
Take the "i watch male and female vtubers" pill

>>5390052
>Nope. Giving GFE is an implication that you would follow this rule, especially when you never collab with males for months beforehand, and talk about everything going on in your 'life' BUT anything that has to do with guys.
Nta, but that quote literally says "chuubas who never even implied".
>Plotfags can be just as bad as shippers, believe you me. The only difference is that the former throws bitchfits about things that are considered more objective and intellectual, while the latter less so. They both can be equally as schizophrenic though.
His point is that neither are as bad as unicorns. You rarely see people throw shitfits about plot or shipping literal years after.
>Well think about it like this. There are also lots of people that (like OP) who go picking fights with unicornfags and their oshis, both of which are happy with the arrangement, calling them incels/e-thots and saying they should drop their goslings and collab with guys ("don't you want creative freedom?!?!?!?!") It's just as prevalent.
We all can bring up examples and counter-examples till the cows come home, but at the end of the day, both sides of the issues have their shitflingers. Don't be a partisan and only see one side.
You can't just handwave with "both sides". People laugh at unicorns because it's ridiculous to limit what the entertainer themselves want to do. It's "They should be able to do whatever they want" vs "I won't let them do x". If someone wants to farm unicorns, go ahead, but you have to be brain damaged to think the amount of content you can create is somehow increased by slashing away an entire gender. It gets even more ridiculous when they're previously stated that the reason they don't collab with males is because they're afraid of burning with unicorns when they've done so in the past.

>Well, that's a nice anecdote. There are also lots of faggots getting on Rushia's case for NOT collabing with guys, or on Miko's case for stopping.
Yes, and they suck too. You act like him giving anecdotes doesn't change anything when anyone trying to control the streamer sucks. Also where do you see people giving Rushia shit for not collabing with guys outside this board? Both Hisui and Miko's cases actually had more than 2 people complaining on an anonymous imageboard.

>Well, the one good thing about Nijisanji is that they were supposed to contain the cucks, but apparently they can't even do that right.
Good to see where your opinion is coming from.

>>5390447
GFE isn't the default even in Hololive, you absolute retard. They don't interact with males because they're "idols", but the ones that actually act like chat's girlfriends can be counted on both hands, if not just one.

>>5390696
He probably google translated the comments on that Rushia clip floating around, where no one was even hostile and it was more like "Holostars should be given a chance"
And they're retarded for expecting Rushia to give them that chance.

Hey anon, i just creampied your oshi. Now send her more superchat so she can wear a new cosplay outfit the next time i fuck her.

>>5390605
>the cartoon avatars make them easier to digest

Yeah, personally I've always found that face streamers either have to overexaggerate their reactions, which lands them in an uncanny valley, or they play it normal, which is just boring. So everyone I've watched has been a disembodied voice, but adding an avatar there allows almost everything (and also more as >>5388340 already pointed out) that a face streamer can do. After all, I've been conditioned ever since childhood to treat overreactions as normal for cartoon characters. Nor is there any reason I'd have to develop some kind of obsession about my favourite cartoon character any more than my favourite streamer, I never understood /a/'s waifufaggotry in the first place.

>>5390828
You must be a based male chuuba. I can't wait for my oshi to collab with you while I pay her to cuck me.

>>5390760
The Rushia clip and the comments on it wouldn't even be a thing if Rushia wasn't such so neurotic and paranoid about it. She could have just showed the schedule and ignored the homos and nobody would have blinked an eye. Everyone knows the homos exists, almost nobody cares if they show up on a list. But she freaked out and turned it into a spectacle on her own, and that had the opposite effect. Literally creating drama out of thin air.

Even the people who claim they aren't unicorns somehow believe that cute attractive women over 16 are somehow virgins.

>>5390558
Fine then, a real answer:
Simply put, you are the strange ones. I know you think you are somehow the majority, but let me present an alternate viewpoint:
Take this faggot for example: >>5390605
>They cannot fathom why other people can survive without the GFE. I just like to watch entertaining, interesting people and the cartoon avatars make them easier to digest.
What does he mean by this? One the one hand, he (and by extension you) are unironically watching Vtubers with no heed to their main draw. He says they are entertaining and interesting, which is understandable, in a manner of speaking. Most people don't think so, and would rather watch the 3D streamers that worked their way to the top without the gimmick but you do you I guess. I guess it's kind of like reading the OPM webcomic purely for the art. I cannot imagine why someone would do that, but I guess they exist. Not even close to the majority though.
>the cartoon avatars make them easier to digest
This is considered weird. Most people don't think this way.
Hololive for example blew up massively with EOPs, even before HoloEN and Coco. Why? It's not like they watched J-streamers before. It's not like Ironmouse and other western Vtubers weren't there and getting clipped either. The idea that "streamer with an anime avatar" is the main appeal of Vtubers as opposed to "anime girl come to life" is just not reality and the numbers show it
Again, it's more prevalent, so the initial assumption is that that is what you're there for. What you're asking me is like asking, "Why do people call me a cuck just because I let my wife have sex with other men? I enjoy seeing them do it." Also, that is a simile, not me being literal.

>>5391070
The only time I've seen non-unicorn arguments for that have been "this chuuba is too autistic so I doubt it."
And that's less "muh purity" and more "I need them to be as much of an autist as me to relate"

>>5391086
> "anime girl come to life"
>"Why do people call me a cuck just because I let my wife-"
This leap is not normal. Most people aren't even like this with anime characters, much less ones with real humans behind them.

>>5375550
I want to hear them have sex live on stream. Would be cool.

>>5391086
>The idea that "streamer with an anime avatar" is the main appeal of Vtubers as opposed to "anime girl come to life" is just not reality and the numbers show it
Don't put words into my mouth. I'm not claiming to be the majority or the norm. That's just how I see Vtubers.

Anytime GFE-fags have a meltdown i become happier with life knowing no matter how low i fall ill never reach their level. So yeah i dont mind. People should do that too, only give attention to idolfags and their ilk to make fun of them and that's it, ill guarantee you'll feel better about yourself.

>>5391164
There are girls with literal Down Syndrome who marry and have sex with other Down Syndrome men. None of the girls are too autistic to be fucked by regular guys.

>>5391086
I watch both male and female vtubers. I've looked at lewds of them but I don't want to actually be in a relationship with them, which is why I don't mind the fake flirting or collabs. None of the ones I watch do BFE/GFE yet I feel endeared to them. I still am not deluded enough to feel like they owe me something and must stay pure for me. If you're into GFE and have those feelings then that's fine, you do you, but that is not the only way people enjoy vtubers.

I don't mind chuubas interacting with males at all. It's fun and can get some good interactions. I don't think less of any chuuba if she likes to collab with males or does it often. It's entertainment and collabs are the life blood of the industry. Unless it is my oshi, then there is hell to pay and many tears along the way.

>>5391275
I don't participate in the arguments because I don't care. Even if I did want to fuck them what they've done before doesn't matter to me unless they caught something. I'm just saying that "how much of an autist is this chuuba" is a very different argument to have from "Is my waifu a slut".

>>5391086
>Most people don't think so, and would rather watch the 3D streamers that worked their way to the top without the gimmick but you do you I guess.
How are you saying this and then implying a dichotomy between "streamer with an anime avatar" vs "anime girl come to life"? You're also conflating entertaining/interesting with popularity, and then somehow using that to justify vtubers with higher numbers don't collab with males -> not collabing with males is the main draw of vtubers.

>Hololive for example blew up massively with EOPs, even before HoloEN and Coco.
This also isn't true either comparing their growth pre-gen 4 to post-gen 4, and then again post-HoloEN.

>Again, it's more prevalent
You haven't shown anything that proves this.

>>5378262
They are fucking male behind the scene you know

>>5391070
It's not that rare outside of America and especially in Japan.

>>5391086
>The idea that "streamer with an anime avatar" is the main appeal of Vtubers as opposed to "anime girl come to life"
So in your mind, all anime girls ever are these pillars of purity that don't even know what a male is?
Did you only watch shit like YuruYuri, Love Live, and K-On?

>>5390696
>Nta, but that quote literally says "chuubas who never even implied".
I ignored that, because that would have made it a non-sequitur. Why would he be asking about that when my entire post was about GFE chuubas and unicorns? I assumed he misspoke.
>His point is that neither are as bad as unicorns.
>You rarely see people throw shitfits about plot or shipping literal years after.
You're kidding, right? Are you being serious with this?
>People laugh at unicorns because it's ridiculous to limit what the entertainer themselves want to do
So, the premise of this entire paragraph is wrong from the getgo. "How could you want to limit a creator's freedom?!" is a ridiculously stupid meme. The prequels. Game of Thrones. Literally every problem every human has had with a fictional work can be seen as, as you type:
>"They should be able to do whatever they want" vs "I won't let them do x"
Except, instead of the uncharitable "I won't let them do x", it's more of "x ruined my experience!" which I already explained. Good quality entertainment isn't about "being able to do literally whatever the fuck you want", it's about refining the product to the tastes of your target audience. Refining being the keyword.
>Also where do you see people giving Rushia shit for not collabing with guys outside this board?
Evidently you've never seen Vtweeter's/disgruntled indies most ubuiquitous complaint about Hololive. This sentiment is quite common among these types I assure you.
>Good to see where your opinion is coming from.
Don't be a retard. Obviously I was just throwing his words back at him for being partisan.

>>5390757
>He takes the acronym "GFE" completely literally.
Are you the guy that also thought "3D streamer" also meant Vtubers with a 3D model?

>>5391195
Jesus Christ. I literally added this sentence:
>Also, that is a simile, not me being literal.
just for idiots like you and you STILL stumbled. I'm almost impressed.

Looks like it's time to repost this again.

>Towa and Matsuri is playing Apex with males all the time
>Botan is doing e-sport events with other male commentators
>Aki is collabing with Oshino
>FoxDemon
>Subaru has Oozora family with Maimoto oji-san
>Coco has Kiryuu as her husbando and talked how she got into Yakuza because of her boyfriend
>Lamy, Pekora and Rushia are talking about their brothers or fathers all along
>Marine is doing promo stuff with males all the time
>Suisei is talking about male idols with Inui in their talks
etc etc.
If you're a unicorn and you call yourself Hololive fan you're retarded. The real unicorns that follows actual idols hate Hololive.

https://twitter.com/pinkyweb_tw/status/1151576670123380736
This is your idol behind the scene, unicorncuck kek

>>5391616
Your simile in and of itself was a leap, you braindead moron. The fact that you think it was an apt comparison shows that you have rot in your brain.

>>5391498
>Another retard who doesn't get that I am talking about GFE chuubas specifically.
At least, I hope that's what you think.
I get it, this is a very long and verbose post chain, but it shouldn't take 5 minutes to read and avoid shit responses like this.
>>5391749
I'll call your bluff, go ahead. Explain why it isn't an apt comparison.

>>5375668
>I'm a lesbian I hate seeing them interact with men

>>5391616
You're implying all anime girls exist to be in a relationship with you, because collabing with males is NTR which lead you to that wife cuck fantasy.

>>5390828
Didn't know your English was so good Oga

>>5375668
jesus christ I love women now

>>5391086
>Hololive for example blew up massively with EOPs, even before HoloEN and Coco. Why?
Because of the Chinese making a massive amount of algorithm friendly English translated clips on YouTube.

>5388820 (Me)
>>5391529
>I ignored that, because that would have made it a non-sequitur. Why would he be asking about that when my entire post was about GFE chuubas and unicorns?
The point was unicorns treating non GFE vtubers the same as GFE ones. They can stay in their corner and do whatever, but if they keep coming out and bothering others, which they do, I'll continue to be annoyed.
>You're kidding, right? Are you being serious with this?
This is correct though, I was saying that shippers get just as obnoxious as unicorns and I hate them for it too (and I also hate plot fags who get too attached to their theories and ruin it for everyone else if it's wrong)

>>5390052
>Well, the one good thing about Nijisanji is that they were supposed to contain the cucks, but apparently they can't even do that right.
lmao

>>5391818
>the main appeal of Vtubers is GFE
>No, I just meant GFE ones!
LMAO

>>5391529
>Girlfriend experience doesn't mean girlfriend experience
What does the term entail, anyway? Because I'm pretty sure that unless you're clinically paranoid or they're real sluts, actual girlfriends aren't people you shut away from all and any male contact.

>>5391902
I still remember their 27 hours shift of doing it for free, only chink insectoid can do that

im totally not a cuck guys i just LOVE watching idol vtubers flirting with men it's not like that if i actually wanted entertainment i'd watch anything else that's actually entertaining instead of idol vtubers

>>5391406
>How are you saying this and then implying a dichotomy between "streamer with an anime avatar" vs "anime girl come to life"?
They are the 2 main approaches to vtubing.
>You're also conflating entertaining/interesting with popularity, and then somehow using that to justify vtubers with higher numbers don't collab with males -> not collabing with males is the main draw of vtubers.
"Muh quality of quantity!" People find pieces of shit on the sidewalking entertaining. But go ahead, tell me why the inverse is not the case.
>This also isn't true either comparing their growth pre-gen 4 to post-gen 4, and then again post-HoloEN.
I don't even understand what you're trying to imply here. Because they rate of growth increased post gen-4 and with EN, it was negligible before? You don't think I added those qualifications myself for a reason? Is this semantics?

>>5392117
If we're going to argue popularity then explain why the top male chuubas are at the top when they don't do BFE shit. And don't say they aren't popular because of Peko numbers mogging them or something, because they are popular.

>>5391529
>I ignored that, because that would have made it a non-sequitur. Why would he be asking about that when my entire post was about GFE chuubas and unicorns? I assumed he misspoke.
To clarify that he's talking about when unicorns also go after people who aren't GFE chuubas.
>You're kidding, right? Are you being serious with this?
No. And by shitfit, I don't mean people being just being salty. Shit like Love Live, Kannagi, etc. is the only time you see people unironically mass sending death threats, burning everything about the series that they own, attacking anything about the franchise. Even the AoT shit, most people basically just said "wow this is a shitty ending".
>So, the premise of this entire paragraph is wrong from the getgo. "How could you want to limit a creator's freedom?!" is a ridiculously stupid meme. The prequels. Game of Thrones. Literally every problem every human has had with a fictional work can be seen as, as you type:
Except in none of those works are people building a parasocial relationship between them and the creator. Also having a problem with a fictional work isn't equivalent to trying to limit what the creator wants to do. Imagine going "I'm never watching this actress ever again because she acted in a movie with a male in it" or "I'm never going to watch another George Lucas film after what happened in the prequels".
>Except, instead of the uncharitable "I won't let them do x", it's more of "x ruined my experience!" which I already explained. Good quality entertainment isn't about "being able to do literally whatever the fuck you want", it's about refining the product to the tastes of your target audience. Refining being the keyword.
People have already explained to you that they're not talking about someone who already knows their audience in mind, and wants to pander specifically to that audience. If someone wants to write a BL book with no females in it because of obvious reasons, that's their right. If a chuuba wants to talk bout males on stream, they shouldn't be bombarded with "wow a male how could you betray me?" Trying to refine your product doesn't mean anything when the person is literally the product.
>Evidently you've never seen Vtweeter's/disgruntled indies most ubuiquitous complaint about Hololive. This sentiment is quite common among these types I assure you.
Being disgruntled about Hololive isn't the same as Rushia. Multiple members in Hololive have stated they wanted to collab with males while not being able to and have done so previously. Also your assurance of vtweeters/disgruntled indies means jack shit.
>Don't be a retard. Obviously I was just throwing his words back at him for being partisan.
Except one is backed by a company that is specifically limited their talents from collabing with males, while the other lets you not collab with males if you don't want to, or basically do whatever you want. If you can't call him out for being an idiot properly, making yourself look like a bigger idiot doesn't help your case.

>>5391616
It's not a simile either. It's an exaggeration. Also I don't think you understand what a simile is.

>>5391907
>The point was unicorns treating non GFE vtubers the same as GFE ones. They can stay in their corner and do whatever, but if they keep coming out and bothering others, which they do, I'll continue to be annoyed.
Yeah, and I addressed the inverse. I'm not even sure why you brought up this alleged epidemic of unicorns chasing after non-GFE vtubers, when my first post literally started with, "If they give GFE, they have no business doing male collabs"
>lmao
I'll tell you what I told the other guy:
Don't be a retard. Obviously I was just throwing his words back at him for being partisan.
>LMAO
You may go back to the top of this post.

>>5392267
>top male chuubas are at the top when they don't do BFE shit
oh no no no no

>>5392089
I don't know how to explain to you that it's only a problem if you buy into GFE in the first place. If you don't it's awkward at worst. You're just saying "I feel cucked because of my pretend relationship, therefore you must secretly feel cucked because of YOUR pretend relationship and are just pretending not to."
When the truth is other people DON'T HAVE PRETEND RELATIONSHIPS IN THE FIRST PLACE.

>>5378565
Male streamers are infinitely more entertaining desu.

>>5392267
For the same reason why the most popular female-centric women isn't filled with gratuitous male nudity like it is for men. Women, who overwhelming watch them instead of the Holos for example, have different needs. Also
>they don't do BFE shit
KEK

>>5392089
But idol vtubers are very entertaining?

>>5392453
Name 1 male who is like Miko.

>>5392117
>They are the 2 main approaches to vtubing.
You're missing the rest of the sentence. Both of these are gimmicks. You're implying that people would rather just watch 3d streamers for the former yet act as if they aren't more popular than the latter too.

>"Muh quality of quantity!" People find pieces of shit on the sidewalking entertaining. But go ahead, tell me why the inverse is not the case.
People watch more 3d males than any female vtuber. Do you think all female vtubers are pieces of shit on the sidewalk that you just happen to find entertaining?

>I don't even understand what you're trying to imply here. Because they rate of growth increased post gen-4 and with EN, it was negligible before? You don't think I added those qualifications myself for a reason? Is this semantics?
Unless you're trying to imply that post-EN Hololive is literally just "anime girls come to life" yes, it is negligible. Who cares about pre-Coco growth for "anime girls come to life" when it's absolutely dwarfed by it afterwards?

n-no! that's not true!!!!11
idol vtubers are more entertaining!!!1
i totally watch idol vtubers over male streamers because they're more entertaining and not because i find them cute or anything!!
I REFUSE TO ACCEPT THAT IM A KEK!!!!!!!!

>>5392528
Who are you talking to?

>>5392528
I find them cute without wanting to be in a relationship with them. How hard is that to understand?

M*n and women are incapable of being friends, m*n want nothing more than to chase after women and women want nothing more than to become mothers. Unicornchads are well aware of this, their oshis loyalty belongs to the fans that support them and interacting with m*les would inevitably lead to them abandoning tossing away the feelings of all those who've supported them.

>>5392478
Suisi and Toko's delicious thighs!

>>5392528
Yes, they're both entertaining and cute, which is entertaining and something a male streamer rarely delivers?

>>5379711
Disappointed that no one made a doujin of a gang of faceless beachbum draph and erune running a train on them.

Judging from this thread I guess Unicorn is another term for a guy who’s never had a father before?

>>5392697
I suspect not having a mother is a more likely issue. Some kind of broken home, at least. There's no way parents with a good relationship could produce a child who thinks like THAT

>>5392697
It's probably someone who's been abused by men before.

>>5379371
The thing is, cooking shows and news aren't built on making money out of exploiting emotionally stunted people, using all the parasocial relationship tricks to do so.

>>5392291
>No. And by shitfit, I don't mean people being just being salty. Shit like Love Live, Kannagi, etc. is the only time you see people unironically mass sending death threats
Naruto got it, Bleach got it. Hell, Iseyama has literally gotten THOUSANDS of death threats over the course of AOT's run. Go ahead, type in [big author with controvertial event in their series] followed with "Death threats". You evidently don't hang out in many large fandoms. People still send hate out to authors for the ways their series ended decades ago.
>Except in none of those works are people building a parasocial relationship between them and the creator.
Irrelevant
>"I'm never going to watch another George Lucas film after what happened in the prequels".
You honestly think there aren't millions of people who wrote off George Lucas as a hack after the prequels. The prequels which are a direct result of giving him more creative freedom? What world are you living in?
>People have already explained to you that they're not talking about someone who already knows their audience in mind, and wants to pander specifically to that audience.
Except, I've already explained that this is the type of chuuba I'm talking about though? My first reply literally starts with that.
>If a chuuba wants to talk bout males on stream, they shouldn't be bombarded with "wow a male how could you betray me?" Trying to refine your product doesn't mean anything when the person is literally the product.
This is called wanting to have your cake and eat it. Anyone can be like FBK and the Vshojos and set the record straight right off the bat. Building a fractured fanbase without refining to a specific demographic and then suffering the fallout later is your fault as a creator, whether that's a videogame like OW, an anime like Tokyo Ghoul or a chuuba like Koopa apparently. It's nice to play both sides and all, but eventually, you're going to piss one off. At any rate, it's not even that common.
>Being disgruntled about Hololive isn't the same as Rushia.
I don't care, Rushia was just an example of a unicorn chuuba. Extrapolate at your own peril
>Multiple members in Hololive have stated they wanted to collab with males while not being able to

>>5392971
oops, didn't mean to send this out quite yet

>>5392630
This
Unicorns are the most based of all fans. The only ones standing firm in preventing Vtubing from becoming a debauchery fueled frat house.

Reply to this post with THANK YOU BASED UNICORNS!!

>>5389202
Because corporations realized that lonely men with disposable income are a much easier target to exploit. So as long as they don't get their target audience upset, they can sell whatever cookie-cutter power fantasy harem crap churned out. It happens the other way around too, with boybands and male idols.

>>5392291
>No. And by shitfit, I don't mean people being just being salty. Shit like Love Live, Kannagi, etc. is the only time you see people unironically mass sending death threats
Naruto got it, Bleach got it. Hell, Iseyama has literally gotten THOUSANDS of death threats over the course of AOT's run. Go ahead, type in [big author with controvertial event in their series] followed with "Death threats". You evidently don't hang out in many large fandoms. People still send hate out to authors for the ways their series ended decades ago.
>Except in none of those works are people building a parasocial relationship between them and the creator.
Irrelevant
>"I'm never going to watch another George Lucas film after what happened in the prequels".
You honestly think there aren't millions of people who wrote off George Lucas as a hack after the prequels. The prequels which are a direct result of giving him more creative freedom? What world are you living in?
>People have already explained to you that they're not talking about someone who already knows their audience in mind, and wants to pander specifically to that audience.
Except, I've already explained that this is the type of chuuba I'm talking about though? My first reply literally starts with that.
>If a chuuba wants to talk bout males on stream, they shouldn't be bombarded with "wow a male how could you betray me?" Trying to refine your product doesn't mean anything when the person is literally the product.
This is called wanting to have your cake and eat it. Anyone can be like FBK and the Vshojos and set the record straight right off the bat. Building a fractured fanbase without refining to a specific demographic and then suffering the fallout later is your fault as a creator, whether that's a videogame like OW, an anime like Tokyo Ghoul or a chuuba like Koopa apparently. It's nice to play both sides and all, but eventually, you're going to piss one off. At any rate, it's not even that common.
>Being disgruntled about Hololive isn't the same as Rushia.
I don't care, Rushia was just an example of a unicorn chuuba. Extrapolate at your own peril
>Multiple members in Hololive have stated they wanted to collab with males while not being able to
This is not a thing. Any chuuba can collaborate with males whenever the fuck they like. Cowardice because, again, they wanted to have their cake and eat it is not an excuse.
>Also your assurance of vtweeters/disgruntled indies means jack shit.
Good to know that's where we're at.
>Except one is backed by a company that is specifically limited their talents from collabing with males
Nope.
>It's not a simile either. It's an exaggeration. Also I don't think you understand what a simile is.
Alright, simile or not, I'm getting tired so I'll just break down and explain what I meant:
>The question:
Why does Unicorn always called people who enjoy normal relationships between humans(it wasn't even romantic) as "cucks"?
>The answer:
What you're asking me is like asking, "Why do people call me a cuck just because I let my wife have sex with other men? I enjoy seeing them do it."
>The explanation:
My second "cuck" example actually had nothing to do with the original question directly. It wasn't a direct comparison, but I can see how in a long comment chain, it might be misconstrued as such.
The point of my answer is that, "If GFE is the expected norm, then you saying that want these GFE chuubas to collab with men is the strange thing." as a rebuttal to the "who enjoy normal relationships" parts.
The cuck comparison was simply an example of a person saying "why are you calling me strange just because I'm doing [strange thing]?
I could easily have said, "Why do people call me a Nazi just because I hate jews?" or "Why am I getting shot down just because I flew into enemy airspace?"
It is not an exagerration, because the two were not directly connected. Perhaps it would have landed better had I called it a figure of speech, but somehow, I doubt it.

It depends on how they market themselves.
There are genuine couple streamers I enjoy, but if you present yourself in a more traditional idol light, that is, for (you) then yes acting flirty with others is a betrayal of the sentiment, and not what I came for.

Think of it like this, I don't want fat bastards in my CGDCT animu, but have no issue with them in a doujin.
It's all about how they sell themselves.

>>5375550
Im no homo why would I want to watch a man

Miko already cucked her fans in a much worse way.

>>5393763
Amazing how this all got memoryholed

>>5375550
I despise all women but I hate whores even more. I only watch chuubas that are completely asexual.

>>5375550
Female/male collabs are great, though
Makes you realize once more that you are so far away from them. I feel cleansed from unnecessary desire and possessiveness after the initial flurry of emotions. Only then you can enjoy them.

Is what I would say if I truly had an oshi. I don't really give a shit, collabs can be shit or gold regardless of the chromosomes. Unless it's 47 chromosomes

>>5375550
what the fuck is a unicorn
I guess unicorns are rare, and so are girls here
Is that what it means?

>>5393763
>>5393800
Don't worry, they'll use their self-deception abilities to will the memory of seeing this image out of existence and continue to praise her as a model of purity while shitting on other girls who interact with males. Because doublethink is a 35p's true superpower.

>>5376642
>nobody
>gets handmade figure prototype by THE OYAMARYU himself
just admit you are an EOP holonigger already
and you should shut the fuck up

>>5377440
I wish this ship wasn't dead...

>>5375668
Lol cope

>>5394137
Aizono is not someone who can be there achieve Akina's dream with him. It's sad but true

>>5375668
I'm straight and i hate seeing you exist.

>>5394018
Unicorns of myth can only stand being around virgin maidens. Now put those two neurons you have left to work and you should understand what an unicorn means in the context of idols or vtubers.

I only watch Vtubers for GFE so why would I want a male to be with them?

>>5375550
I don't like them. Males take away my enjoyment of the stream. I wish these man chuubas were never a thing. They actively harm the vtuber communities.

>>5394137
Meh it was a forced ship dictated by management. But the plan of hooking DT sympathizers + shipping fujos by putting Akina into awkward situations worked!

idk how much of the ship with big face girl is real but I like his interactions with green girl better (even though it's all platonic)... and belmond.

>>5386454
This

>>5394281
thamk for the californication anon

>>5392769
Neither was vtubing. Just the most exploitative of companies and vtubers leaning on that in place of making good content.

>>5393763
What are you trying to prove, faggot?

>>5394389
>Meh it was a forced ship dictated by management
Source

>>5394389
Minor correction, it's not fujo since it's straight. Fujo would be Meshers teetee.
And Akina is like Kaza's gay best friend. Actually no straight ship would work for him because he's way more gay than straight.

>>5393612
>I typed this many replies and in such verbosity
God, that's enough autism for me for one day. Think I'll quit while I'm ahead...

>>5375550
If they're part of a company, then it's fine.
If not, I hate it.

>>5394535
I wouldn't say Benizuwaigani was forced but management does have ideas to put vtubers in situations for reactions, like how Akina and Utako were talking to Masaru and the staff kept telling Masaru to shut up and let them lust over him

>>5393612
>If GFE is the expected norm
But it isn't. "GFE" as defined by local unicorns is only a thing in idol groups like Hololive and among the designated idols in NoriPro.
Nijisanji doesn't do it, most of 774 doesn't do it, VSpo doesn't do it, the rest of NoriPro doesn't do it, none of the Four Heavenly Kings did it.
Just because Hololive is bigger doesn't make it the norm.

And if with the whole "cuck" thing you were referring solely to the norm and what deviates from it, I'd say it suits GFEtards quite nicely.

>>5393612
>I could easily have said, "Why do people call me a Nazi just because I hate jews?" or "Why am I getting shot down just because I flew into enemy airspace?"
These would be equally inane comparisons.

>>5395205
>he too lost track
As expected, the post chain really was too long.
>But it isn't. "GFE" as defined by local unicorns is only a thing in idol groups like Hololive
We were specifically talking in reference to Hololive.

>>5395412
>These would be equally inane comparisons.
no u

>>5393612
>Naruto got it, Bleach got it. Hell, Iseyama has literally gotten THOUSANDS of death threats over the course of AOT's run. Go ahead, type in [big author with controvertial event in their series] followed with "Death threats". You evidently don't hang out in many large fandoms. People still send hate out to authors for the ways their series ended decades ago.
Yes, when it happens. Unicorns stay as salty for years after.
>You honestly think there aren't millions of people who wrote off George Lucas as a hack after the prequels. The prequels which are a direct result of giving him more creative freedom? What world are you living in?
The world in where Lucas is still going to make another movie and loads of people who called him a hack are still going to watch it anyways? Or what about the world where people can actually recognize that the films prior are still good?
>Except, I've already explained that this is the type of chuuba I'm talking about though? My first reply literally starts with that.
Yes, and people are telling you that unicorns spill over into other chuubas that don't do so.
>This is called wanting to have your cake and eat it. Anyone can be like FBK and the Vshojos and set the record straight right off the bat. Building a fractured fanbase without refining to a specific demographic and then suffering the fallout later is your fault as a creator, whether that's a videogame like OW, an anime like Tokyo Ghoul or a chuuba like Koopa apparently. It's nice to play both sides and all, but eventually, you're going to piss one off. At any rate, it's not even that common.
Losing your audience that doesn't want to watch any more is a fallout. People spamming threats in your comments and chat or stalking and harassing you isn't.
>I don't care, Rushia was just an example of a unicorn chuuba. Extrapolate at your own peril
It's not about you caring. You're making the claim that Rushia was the target of a mass of people who wanted her to collab with males. Where are the other unicorn chuubas being told to they have to collab with males en masse?
>This is not a thing. Any chuuba can collaborate with males whenever the fuck they like. Cowardice because, again, they wanted to have their cake and eat it is not an excuse.
Ah yes, like when the Holo team during CR cup couldn't scrim with males because of management? Not wanting to be the target of a harassment campaign isn't wanting to have their cake and eating it. It's very simple. They want to purge their unicorn audience, and hang out with a non-unicorn audience without the former messing up chat, comments, or dislike bombing.
>The point of my answer is that, "If GFE is the expected norm, then you saying that want these GFE chuubas to collab with men is the strange thing." as a rebuttal to the "who enjoy normal relationships" parts.
You still haven't shown anything proving that GFE is the norm. You can exaggerate a comparison. That's not what a figure of speech is either. It's an exaggeration, because even assuming your premise of people coming to watch for GFE, seeing them collab with a male isn't the same as watching them get railed. Do you prevent your significant other from literally talking with the opposite gender?

>>5395553
Not sure if you're >>5388431, but >>5388820's question is simple. YOU are talking about GFE chuubas specifically. He >>5387685 is clarifying
about why people pretend their in a relationship with their oshi, when their oshi isn't even trying to cultivate GFE.

Do you guys actually like Miko like that tho she sounds like a 4 year old.

>>5375550
I'm mostly against it especially if it feels like they're flirting with each other because I'm not paying to get KEKED live on stream.

>>5376250
>it literally gives me the same feeling i got when my girlfriends talked to other men. It's fucking weird, so i dislike it
Props to you for having the balls to admit what most men also feels, but were shamed by women into thinking that kind of feeling is wrong
That jealousy that you feel is the same type of jealousy that any men feels when they see any woman that they have a emotional connection with having a close relationship to another unknow male to you, whether that woman is his mom, sister, friend, girlfriend, wife or daughter.
>>5376676
>>5376760
You are either female or just a plain beta faggot to not understand his feelings

>>5401094
Did I lie? She doesn't know your name, who you are, what your likes or dislikes are, nothing. You're just a wallet and a number to her.

>>5376393
So that's why every thread with Miko in the OP eventually becomes a schizo thread

>>5401224
>She doesn't know your name, who you are, what your likes or dislikes are, nothing. You're just a wallet and a number to her.
That it is true and I agree, but you're completely missing the point of what the other anon feels about seeing a woman that he likes talking with another male

>>5401441
It's hard to understand his feelings because it's towards someone who will never see him. If it were his girlfriend and she was talking to men on stream and flirting, being upset would be normal and expected. It's delusional. You can all feel free to have those feelings since it prints money for your chuuba.

>>5401588
And thats is why I said that you're either a female or a beta faggot to not understand something that every man feels.
That jealousy that men feels is not exclusively towards their girlfriends/wifes, it can towards any female that they like, whether romantically or not.
We can very well discuss the reasons of why men has this type of tribalistic feeling, but the fact is that all men has this innate instinct, and the ones that say he doesn't, is in denial or has been brainwashed by females. The whole NTR genre revolves around this feeling in fact and why in many countries is taboo or even illegal for the native females to marry foreigners

>>5402186
I didn't realize all men are psychotic.

>>5375550
Business is designed to turn viewers into unicorns so real question should be if you are a unicorn or an ex-unicorn. Regarding collabs, it heavily depends on the parties reputation.

It may not sit you well, but you guys should be aware that morning streams are essentially passive GFE. Often those events have nothing but self-talk which don’t bring anything new to the channel, just a girl being coquettish to viewers. Following X person to the point of using archive is also a bad sign since is not a TV show, there’s no storyline. Any urge to not miss X detail is more obsession than simple interest. Last, real people that have the right to say “I watch vtubers for entertainment” are simply not wasting time on /vt/, because they are not bind by the market to the point of coming here to grief or pick fights.

T. ex-unicorn.