/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

it's over

GRIM

*GENERAL NUMBERFAG SITES*
>https://playboard.co/en/
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://vrabi.net/
>https://www.vstats.jp
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/vtuber-ranking

Hololive sites
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html
>https://trackholo.live/en/
>https://www.hololive-songs.com/

Nijisanji sites
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings
>https://twitter.com/2434subscriber
>https://www.nijiuta.com/

Twitch
>https://sullygnome.com/
>https://twitchtracker.com/
>https://stats.roki.sh/

Full list at https://pastebin.com/nCGZL1Lp

Back to back non-special Gura streams. What does it mean?

Surprised that it didn't get vandalised. Partially.

Wife soon

Hololive lost
Nijisanji won.
(((The month)))

>>53726558
Winning hard.

>homos gone
>gura streams normally
Naruhodo

>>53726948
I am grounding myself to reality and say it's just she have free time after finish recording
Nothing related to homo or managements

>>53726948
Tempus' destruction is assured

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfaPS6d_TTE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfaPS6d_TTE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfaPS6d_TTE

>>53726948
I'll groom my rrat after seeing what happens for sure with the two homos.

>>53726948
She's home now she literally has no excuse

>>53726948
Good news soon. Either EN3 or homo graduation.

>>53726658
>It's impossible to reason with these people. They genuinely think indefinitely delaying a third gen
I didn’t even go there. Even in a counterfactual universe where they released EN3 ***AND*** EN4 before trying their hands at StarsEN it would STILL be dumb and for the same reason
>their existing audience completely reject the idea of the new product they wanted to push
>the audience of the product they want to push completely reject their brand

Hololive (productions) trying to push male vtubers reminds me a lot of another marker failure
>Vegan “burgers”
Non vegans want a delicious steak, not a retarded plant based imitation
Vegans want a delicious tabooleh, a salad or grilled veggies, not a retarded meat tasting slop.
It’s a product nobody wants in either side of the divide and only a complete retard would think it’s viable or a good strat

Gura said she needs a muse last stream so maybe the japan tripped helped

>>53726999
>One stream for every homo fired and one member karaoke for firing Omega.
Me too. reality if often disappointing. She just got back tot he US and said she missed her set up.

>>53726948
>fagni back to his RM
>vesper dead
>omega fired
The Time Gura Got Reincarnated As A Slime Season 1

>>53726948
Total Tempus Death achived, she won.

>>53726948
Omega is back to his planet

>>53727058
And that muse is slime girl lolis.

>>53725825
>works for JP
>works

>>53726948

Holobronies getting cocky just because the blue shart is streaming. I'll be back when the stream starts and we'll have a lot of fun~

Remember when the daily and monthly tally were posted religiously?
I wonder *why* that changed

>>53726948

* FINAL TALLY OF THE DAY *

>79,645: Yashiro (Nijisanji)
>52,095: Maimoto (Nijisanji)
>49,800: Aqua (Hololive)
>37,367: Kuzuha (Nijisanji)
>29,436: AZKi (Hololive)
>23,982: Lauren (Nijisanji)
>18,608: Lize (Nijisanji)
>16,189: Subaru (Hololive)
>15,922: Gura (Hololive)
>15,739: Koyori (Hololive)
>14,652: Koyori (Hololive)
>14,524: Yamino (Nijisanji)
>14,326: Patra (774 inc)
>13,120: Lui (Hololive)
>12,945: Laplus (Hololive)
>12,336: Ibrahim (Nijisanji)
>12,174: Luca (Nijisanji)
>11,115: Kanae (Nijisanji)
>10,993: Watame (Hololive)
>10,529: Roco (Nijisanji)
>10,226: Fubuki (Hololive)

>>53727225
A lot of people lost interest in golds when it became so apparent how easy it is to bot a stream. I just care about the numbers and trends now. And the cunny

>>53727131
If Laplus continues to hover around the 5view range and essentially becomes Towa 2.0, it works. Otherwise, she's a Matsuri and that's when e-celebism is bad. The narrative can spin any which way to fit.

>>53727078
Of course everyone want the homo gone but deluding yourself into thinking anything good happening to EN mean death of Tempus is borderline delusional behavior lol

>>53727225
You should post them. It's probably just one guy who does it every thread, anyone can take over.

>>53726948
One of her many projects finally got completed.

>>53727054
I genuinely think starsEN couldve survived had they just stayed in their lane. They would be the inferior branch, but they wouldnt be dead. But i guess thats just too much to expect from them

>>53727195
Holostars IS Hololive

>>53726948
She’s celebrating the graduation of two homos

>>53727054
>Vegan burger
Basically. And the people who actually like it are a minority that wouldn't miss if it didn't exist. Magni and Vesper can get canned tomorrow and the backlash would only last a day if people are dedicated.

>>53727225
It doesn’t really take a genius
>people do what they feel like
>people don’t what the don’t
You certainly realize you can do it yourself instead of counting on the charity of strangers, no?
Very few things are as frowned upon in this thread as beggars

>>53727349
Not with them introducing gen 2, they were fucked from the get go

>>53726894
/news/ anchor
Reply with a short description of the news and a link to the source!

News from today:
>Koshimizu Toru new outfit in 2 days
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvy7nCjFV00


Yesterday's news:
>Omega's debut got privated
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLAcgHX160k
>New Mike outfit on 22nd, apparently pernament one this time
https://twitter.com/95rn16/status/1681124418704261120
>August 1st game will be broadcast on Giants TV and commentated by Kanata and Koyori.
https://twitter.com/TokyoGiants/status/1681189258739224576
>More ERROR outfits for hololy
https://twitter.com/hololivetv/status/1681227314959470592
>AyaFubuMi with Wagakki Band
https://twitter.com/clan_vtuber/status/1681216369122226176

>>53727225
Tally-chan is doing it for free.

>>53727270
>JULY 2023 GOLDS
1) Nijisanji (Nijisanji) - 209,736 - Koshien Draft
2) Subaru (Hololive) - 75,828 - Birthday Totsumachi
3) Leos (Nijisanji) - 69,970 - Koshien Practice
4) Maimoto (Nijisanji) - 49,699 - Koshien Recap
5) Shiina (Nijisanji) - 116,661 - Koshien Practice
6) Lize (Nijisanji) - 111,373 - Koshien Practice
7) Ibrahim (Nijisanji) - 82,832 - Koshien Practice
8) Shiina (Nijisanji) - 82,413 - Koshien Practice
9) Kaede (Nijisanji) - 82,483 - Koshien Practice
10) Yashiro (Nijisanji) - 83,096 - Koshien Practice
11) Leos (Nijisanji) - 56,271 - Koshien Practice
12) Shiina (Nijisanji) - 70,042 - Koshien Practice
13) Yashiro (Nijisanji) - 55,388 - Koshien Practice
14) Nui (Nijisanji) - 48,877 - Koshien Practice
15) Toya (Nijisanji) - 99,190 - Koshien Practice
16) Pekora (Hololive) - 149,758 - 24 Hour Marathon
17) Pekora (Hololive) - 138,482 - 24 Hour Marathon
18) Yashiro (Nijisanji) - 79,645 - Koshien Practice

>PER COMPANY
15x: Nijisanji
3x: Hololive

>PER STREAMER
3x: Shiina, Yashiro
2x: Leos, Pekora
1x: Ibrahim, Kaede, Lize, Maimoto, Nijisanji, Nui, Subaru, Toya

>2023 GOLDS
>PER COMPANY
142x: Hololive
41x: Nijisanji
7x: Indie
5x: VSPO
4x: Neo Porte

>PER STREAMER
49x: Pekora
18x: Miko
15x: Marine
8x: Subaru
7x: Toya
5x: Suisei
4x: Aqua, Hal, Yashiro
3x: Chiroru, Hololive, Iroha, Kuzuha, Mio, Nijisanji, Okayu, Koyori, Shiina, Towa
2x: Aki, Fubuki, Hinano, Korone, Lamy, Leos, Lui, Nerumero, Salome, Watame
1x: Air, Ayame, Beni, Chloe, Choco, Flare, Fuwa, Gaku, Gura, Gundou, Hibari, Himawari, Ibrahim, Ina, Kaede, Kanata, Kanato, Kiara, Laplus, Lize, Maimoto, Mel, Mito, Mori, Nose, Nozomi, Nui, Polka, Ponto, Qpi, Roco, Ryushen, Shion, Tsukasa, Ui

>>53727303
>Become Towa 2.0
Only if she found a First Army to carry her. Actually make it 2
When you are under a First Army wing, anything you do is gucci to the Holobox, as long as you keep a good relationship with them

Get GFE. Get SAVED.

>>53727454
Didnt knew she got married to vesper

>>53727366
More on the buff side of things.

How do we save Shinomiya Runa?

*FINAL EN TALLY OF THE DAY IS IN*

>7/18 DAILY TALLY
15,922: Gura (Hololive)
14,524: Shu (Nijisanji)
12,174: Luca (Nijisanji)
6,775: Selen (Nijisanji)
6,671: Rosemi (Nijisanji)
6,067: Petra (Nijisanji)
5,099: Mori (Hololive)


>EN GOLDS FOR JULY 2023
1) Vesper (Holostars) - 21,225 - Redesign Reveal
2) Vezalius (Nijisanji) - 9,207 - Karaoke
3) Hololive English (Hololive) - 32,795 - Connect the World
4) Mumei (Hololive) - 10,693 - Zatsudan
5) Gura (Hololive) - 20,073 - Zatsudan (w/ Amelia)
6) Kiara (Hololive) - 9,751 - Birthday Stream
7) Nina (Nijisanji) - 33,766 - Graduation Stream
8) Nina (Nijisanji) - 50,496 - Graduation Part 2
9) Gura (Hololive) - 14,408 - Peppa Pig
10) Mori (Hololive) - 17,666 - Myth Collab
11) IRyS (Hololive) - 14,877 - Anniversary Karaoke
12) Kronii (Hololive) - 7,532 - Donkey Kong Country
13) Pomu (Nijisanji) - 13,161 - Birthday Stream
14) Mumei (Hololive) - 23.377 - CouncilRyS Collab
15) Ren (Nijisanji) - 8,451 - Unarchived Karaoke Rebroadcast
16) Kronii (Hololive) - 12,036 - Unarchived Karaoke
17) Baelz (Hololive) - 7,575 - Unarchived Karaoke
18) Gura (Hololive) - 15,922 - Pizza Tower

>PER COMPANY
12x: Hololive
5x: Nijisanji
1x: Holostars

>PER STREAMER
3x: Gura
2x: Kronii, Mumei, Nina
1x: Baelz, Hololive English, IRyS, Kiara, Mori, Pomu, Ren, Vesper, Vezalius

>POINTS PER STREAMER (gold = 5pts, silver = 3pts, bronze = 1pt)
15p: Baelz, Gura
13p: IRyS, Kronii, Mumei
11p: Fauna, Mori, Nina
8p: Pomu
6p: Ina, Kiara
5p: Hololive English, Ren, Vesper, Vezalius
4p: Amelia, Luca, Shu
3p: Sonny
1p: Millie, Mysta

>>53727054
>It's impossible to reason with these people. They genuinely think indefinitely delaying a third gen
That guy is genuinely retarded. I remember there is a shitty product from East Germany called "Kaffee Mix" which is 51% coffee only and taste horrible. I would rather they give use real coffee instead of quickly assemble fake stuff.

You faggots are popular demand I’ve finally figured it out.
>Rushia bf scare
It’s ok if there’s one off screen
>Suisei collabs with males and plays offscreen with astel
It’s all professional nobody cares about that
>Rust eceleb server
Let them do it cover is being too scary
>Entering tournaments with a male team
It’s different because they are on the same level. Honestly this one in particular is the biggest cuck shit I ever heard why are you more worried about a bum than someone successful

You’ve been doing this for a while it’s no wonder a faggot like Yagoo thought his time has come. You didn’t even have the decency to abandon the new years show like you did the Expo tours

>>53727148
Ogey falseflagging cumtard.

>>53727303
>>53727427
Towa median in June was in the 7k range, Matsuri in the 5k.
They’re converging downwards around 6k.

>>53727537
How tf did Petra get 6k

>>53727427
Faggots love using Towa like she isn’t majorly propped up. Even suisei is propped up at least she’s not hiding it

>>53727270
>79,645: Yashiro (Nijisanji)
>52,095: Maimoto (Nijisanji)
>37,367: Kuzuha (Nijisanji)
>23,982: Lauren (Nijisanji)
>18,608: Lize (Nijisanji)
>14,524: Yamino (Nijisanji)
>12,174: Luca (Nijisanji)
>11,115: Kanae (Nijisanji)
>10,529: Roco (Nijisanji)
NijiGODS

>>53727537
>2023 EN GOLDS
>PER COMPANY
145x: Hololive
50x: Nijisanji
3x: Holostars
1x: Idol

>PER STREAMER
21x: Fauna
20x: Mori
15x: Gura, IRyS, Mumei
13x: Baelz, Kronii
12x: Ina
10x: Amelia
9x: Kiara, Vox
5x: Mysta
4x: Pomu, Selen, Shu
3x: Nina, Ren
2x: Alban, Finana, Hololive English, Ike, Luca, Yu
1x: Enna, Elira, Flayon, Fulgur, Luxiem, Millie, Regis, Roca, Rosemi, Sonny, Vesper, Vezalius

>2023 POINTS PER STREAMER (gold = 5pts, silver = 3pts, bronze = 1pt)
211p: Fauna
150p: Mori
145p: Ina
137p: IRyS
127p: Mumei
121p: Baelz
101p: Kronii
83p: Amelia
79p: Kiara
75p: Gura
74p: Vox
57p: Mysta
51p: Luca
37p: Shu
31p: Selen
25p: Pomu
24p: Nina
19p: Ike
16p: Ren
15p: Enna
14p: Sonny, Uki
13p: Finana
11p: Axel, Fulgur
10p: Alban, Elira, Hololive English, Millie, Yu
9p: Vesper
7p: Regis
6p: Rosemi, Vezalius
5p: Flayon, Luxiem, Roca
4p: Magni, Vantacrow
3p: Bettel, Hakka, Kotoka, Poko
1p: Maria, Meloco, Shinri, Pippa

There are still 6 homos left on the table, she can't possibly be celebrating their departure unless... do the other ones collab with Mori and Kronii at all?

>>53727690
Despite not streaming for literally half the year Gura could get back to #1 in golds by streaming for exactly 1 week in a row.

Aqua just rage ended her stream, slapping Towa's knees and shouting at her that she was useless and brought no numbers, that if she wanted to stream to 20k viewers she would just stream with EN

>>53727690
>that graph
BELO JOGO

>>53727742
No. The only other relevant homo is Altare who only collabs with Kobo.

>>53727690
Has Gura been beaten even once this year on the days she has actually streamed?

>>53727550
>Rushia bf scare
Nothing burger but western fans' "oh it is totally ok for her to have boyfriend" made her think that everyone believed the rrat, so she risked herself just to go to a dramatuber to clear her name
>It’s all professional nobody cares about that
Suisei's male collabs are unironically all professional, and she never played with Astel offscreen if you mean Apex.
>Rust eceleb server
No one said they like it back then.
>Entering tournaments with a male team
Way after Tempiss debut.

>>53726894
>>53726946
They're forbidden fruit
The sinful things I will do
Little girls are blessed

>>53727661
Lol what. Suisei is the one carrying former shitters like Miko and Towa.

>>53727742
Magni was the one collabing with the OTK shitters that gura ignored when they were bothering her. Vesper got caught impersonating her.

>>53727225
>Golds don’t matter because schizos rail road the convo to people who could never get a gold
>Tally doesn’t matter because there are no more discussions
>Lewd posting gets mass reported so schizos can spam the same images

>>53727797
Nope.

>>53727784
Literally what is this new meme about Aqua being a cunt? Did I miss something?

>>53727690
Damn Gura drops to 10k with SCs now? That shit never happened before, seems like it truly is over ........

>>53727802
>and she never played with Astel offscreen if you mean Apex.
He was her coach

>>53727690
How did Gura go from 9k~ to 4k~ then back up all the way to 14k?

>>53727893
Her coach was someone else. Astel gave her tips, that's it.

>>53727617
Obysydia anniversary collab relay

>>53727816
They're is 2 syllables

>>53727666
Forgot Svltan
>12,336: Ibrahim (Nijisanji)
Amazing performance today. 10 to Niji and 10 to Holo. Total Nijichad domination.

>>53727831
Newfag doesn’t know she was propped up by Kanata, next Mori (unironically), then Miko and now Aqua. Cuckbeats
still brag about Suisei saying Mori was her oshi even though it was purely to buff her music numbers

>>53727883

>>53727690
HOLOTALLY
HOLOTHREAD
HOLOBOARD
HOLOWORLD

>>53728017
This is not new

>>53727935
BR bots

>>53727997
where is Suisei's one piece song? outfit? collab?

>>53728017
Why did she do it bros

>>53727997
Can't believe Suisei is so amoral and unscrupulous that she would do that.

>>53727883
Aqua has always been a cunt, we knew that when she chose to abandon her Chinese audience just to appease Coco'a ego

>>53727690
We are so back

>>53728039
This is

>>53728115
You guys standard of being a cunt is really really low you know?

>>53726477
>People
Who are these "people"? Anons? We know better because we are familiar with how things work in the America-dominated entertainment industry at all levels. Everyone else was just fart-huffing, clout-chasing and money-grifting.

To Cover it was a a simple business decision that may or may not have been informed by people who pretended to know better. It was a fair risk to take business-wise. Their approach and how it ended up is a completely different issue altogether.

>>53726658
When did I even say that?

>>53727802
And my point is proven.

>>53727935
>>53728040
Stop noticing things already STOP TALKING ABOUT IT

>>53727784

Hololive should make a gta server from what I seen so far it hilarious and they have just the right amount of peope for it too.

>>53728206
Oh fuck off
GTA RP is boring as shit and is 90% filler just like life itself.
t.watched XQC and Twitch streamer doing it a year ago

>1 Gura stream for every Homo killed
im on it

>>53727528
Stop her from streaming Valorant

>>53727935
9k waiting the second before stream starts. Half of it gets display culled when stream starts, as per usual since forever. Goes to 14k. Hope this 101 in numbers was helpful.

>>53728262
:_:7 we shall remember your suicide anon

>>53727537
Gura carrying HoloEN like every other month

Holy fucking shit fandeads are actually designing anniversary merch for Rushia (not selling tho)

>>53727528
Get her hooked on csgo

IRyS karaoke tonight, 11 PM EST to catch Gura's funnel

incoming bad news for starsEN.
apparently a blocklist of twitter starsEN anti was being circulated amongst homostars and their rm accounts preemptively

>>53727893
That was uruca

>>53728051
Vtuber fans like anime we get it but please stop being a retard. She has a record contract with UMG, that’s bigger than anything else she’s ever done even if she’s a low tier talent for them. I understand most of you are reserve fry cooks

>>53728340
what does that mean

>>53728340
Any source on this?

>>53728333
Cant believe theyre still mourning

>>53728339
Sub 10k. She can't even hit 15k on an omega buff 3D anniversary karaoke.

>>53728276
The last few zelda streams have been almost as bad

>>53727938
So she fucked her coach instead of Astel?
Why did Astel get blueballed?
Who is this stallion coach that won over Astel?

>>53728426
Me

>>53728257
>Rust Died
>Minecraft Died
>Ark Died
It cans serve as a nice mini arc for a couple of weeks untill the summer festival.

>>53728340
Any proof? That sounds funny as shit.
I know that kronii's RM has been blocking some twitter unicorns.

>>53728416
She could try yuribaiting with Ren-kun again

>>53728416
>Another debuff game

>>53727401
>>Koshimizu Toru new outfit in 2 days
Oh my

>>53728387
Suisei also signed a contract with UMG, where is her one piece collab?
Can you explain that without resorting to name calling or shitting on Mori and deadbeats?

>>53728145
If mother teresa called your mom ugly she’s being a cunt. If a prison dyke does it then it might as well be a compliment

>>53728394
nta but either to protect them from "bad opinions" or in preparation for something that would make starsantis post on any related accounts

From Aqua

Holosisters the NijiGODS are getting too strong. How do we compete?

>>53728535
I sleep when bots.

>>53727537
Gura>HoloEN>NijiEN

>>53728535
if they bot we can bot too, it's only fair

>>53728471
I don't think anyone is going to fall for that these days

This nigga literally say the weirdest and most out of context shit on Twitter then never elaborate

>>53728262
Homo is enemy.

>>53728535
We can't it's over

>>53728206
>Right amount of people
Like 30% of members won’t play without ecelebs, and another 20% without rules. Then you have those that want as little interaction as possible in game built around interactions. It’ll end up worse than rust season 3

>>53726948
On stream for each dead homo

towa's banana led to 6+ hours of aqua stream

>>53728333
and here I thought the Sanalites were mentally ill

>>53728401
You don’t forget your wife just because she’s gone

SHE'S BACK
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMrh3mKraw8

>>53727454
>kronii smiling unironically
The vesper rats are more believable

>>53728718
I honestly only remember sana for her contribution in denying niji their win in koshien month

>>53727550
>you faggots
implied """""""we"""""""" aside, I just realized you're probably correct and it is indeed a little frustrating
everyone I know who was all about how rushia should get her man yassss/rust server was denied because of evil unicorns etc are all the same people I saw talking about how great the squad collabs are, how based and unhinged vesper is actually words they used, I'm not even mocking the sisters for once and they probably somehow managed to fool cover into thinking there was an actual demand rather than it just being a novelty for tourists
I almost never see said faggots talking about regular streams and god knows the numbers reflect that

>>53727054
>>53727548
I didn't even make any of those arguments. In fact, that post that I made that you guys are replying to makes the opposite of the argument that you think I did, but you're replying through a cherry-picking moron that didn't even bother to read the point of my argument before he chimped out: >>53725799
>Their problem is that their risked the female talent's audience to make it work, which is a basic failure of demographic assessment.

Scary fact for niji sisters:
If Gura stream one more time this month
(Doesn't count today's stream)
Gura will be on the excel of median & average CCV in July

>>53728798
can't believe nijiniggers lost to a nigger.

>>53728718
They are a bit crazy, but they still watch hololive.

>>53728765
Haachama?

>>53728844
>A series of 16-17k stream would be top of EN by a wide margin
Holy GRIM

>>53728844
Why would that matter to them, I don't think any of the Niji ENs are even beating Bae's average this month?

>>53728625
Can I join the war effort?

That Mr. Tachiashi?
Me

>Gura in 2023 gets easy 16k ccv
>CTW was 32k CCV
>ergo CTW was half carried by Gura
EN is worthless holy shit

>There's official Pokemon ASMR stream
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NvVin6m094

>darkmaze
>ah gura don't open the chat. people demanding answers from months ago will comd here again ruin the prechat.

WTF with this idiot.

>>53728115
>cold chikin
>see picrel

>>53728145
its just retarded faggots with their smear campaign against holos

>>53726948
The two homos sending her dick pics and sekuhara messages finally got their accounts frozen, so obviously she feels safe enough to stream again.
Remember when her on-and-off streaming schedule started?
Can't imagine having to go through that shit when she only wanted to have some fun with a girls only group.

>>53728394
They’re expecting bad news

>>53729041
Why doesn't Iono stream?

>>53729129
She is going to live hotels with her boyfriend

>>53729116
pic

>>53729129
Busy battling (read: having sex) (with me)

>>53729086
a shit stirrer.
>insert "how is cyber bullying real".png
gura is the type to just turn it off. Antis can never get a hold of Gura

>>53729086
ah that is a gura anti that likes to insite fight in the fanabse

>>53729164
proof?

>>53728165
I'm generalizing your opinion because I've seen people saying the exact same thing but not hiding their true intentions. Maybe you're not like of them but if talks, acts and looks like one I'm inclined to believe you're one of the many homobegging holoantis out there. In any way the risk Cover took wasn't debuting the homos, it was thinking they would be a worthy substitute to a new HoloEN gen which literally anyone with half a brain cell could predict they wouldn't and the absolute majority of the audience wouldn't give a fuck about them, and guess what fucking happened?

https://twitter.com/nonk_fox/status/1681297186565521408
neneti......

>>53724558
> RASPBERRY GOLDS FOR JULY 2023
01) Flayon (Holostars EN) - 361 - Titanfall
02) Aia (NijiEN) - 512 - Skit/Zatsu Stream
03) Axel (Holostars EN) - 335 - Nier:Replicant
04) Maria (NijiEN) - 518 - Short stream
05) Axel (Holostars EN) - 401 - Nier:Replicant
06) Axel (Holostars EN) - 292 - JP Zatsudan
07) Ver (NijiEN) - 357 - Maplestory/Zatsu
08) Ver (NijiEN) - 790 - IB:Remake
09) Maria (NijiEN) - 513 - Keyboard ASMR
10) Scarle (NijiEN) - 638 - ARARARARA
11) Reimu (NijiEN) - 618 - FF16
12) Hakka (Holostars EN) - 513 - Zatsu + SC
13) Axel (Holostars EN) - 399 - Apex collab
14) Aia (NijiEN) - 549 - Minecraft
15) Hakka (Holostars EN) - 494 - A short hike
16) Axel (Holostars EN) - 459 - FF16
17) Flayon (Holostars EN) - 284 - SC Reading
18) Reimu (NijiEN) - 593 - Amnesia Rebirth

> PER COMPANY
9x: Holostars EN
9x: NijiEN

> PER STREAMER
5x: Axel
2x: Ver, Maria, Aia, Hakka, Flayon, Reimu
1x: Scarle

BELO JOGO

Assuming no overlap at 8 Pm EST, what would the following Gura streams get?

Non-themed karaoke
Solo Minecraft
Only Up

>>53728972
That would make nijien even more GRIM than usual
Top Luxiem's median is like 4k max

>>53726013
Name a single western e-celeb that isn't shit and also doesn't cringe at Hololive's entire business model.

>Fauna just goes full lazy under some shitty "I'm so busy uwu I promise I'll deliver" [no delivery]
>Same with Mumei
>Kronii is literally focusing more on her roommate and the shitty VN jobs she's been getting there as well as trying to get more

Only Bae is actually trying in Council and she's not getting any props for it. It's depressing really.

>>53729259
NTA, but I'm the other guy who repeats "Debuting homos at the time made sense, but they went about it in the dumbest possible way" at these hours and...uhhh, that anon is ALSO saying that. As are you. I'm really not sure how everyone's arguing over how much they agree with each other here.

>>53729020
>Chumbuds
>watching streams not on Gura's channel
RORU
RUMAO

>>53729086
That's the mindbroken retard who was spamming Gura's vod comments with cringe shit, feeding all the assholes with ammo

>>53729340

>>53729305
>Non-themed karaoke
40k
>Solo Minecraft
16k, shit's not a buff anymore
>Only UP
18k but she'll suck so bad she'll just bleed

>>53729340
uuuuuu i miss Fauna

>>53729251

>>53729340
Sister I know you don't watch their streams but at least read the thread
They're going to Japan

>>53727797
All 15 Gura streams have been gold. The EN tally would be an absolute joke if Gura streamed regularly.

And now, for today's episode of "Hololive global domination"

>>53728394
Basically, bad news is going to come out soon and star-antis are going to be celebrating when the news comes out so they're trying to block known antis so they don't have to see it.

>>53729485
>The EN tally would be an absolute joke if Gura streamed regularly.
>fucking implying it isn't already

>>53729548
based asmonCHAD

>>53729333
Nta, but Vinny vinesauce.

>>53729485
>if Gura streamed regularly.
Yeah and if Hololive didn't this board wouldn't either. You are not saying much

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChHfGwwiy5Y
Wah

https://youtu.be/ChHfGwwiy5Y
So I heard you guys think you can predict numbers. Final predictions for Ina?

>>53729707
11k

>>53729707
12k if she beats the game

>>53728858
>this post didn't get banned for racism
>anything slightly critical towards SEA does
Biased much janny?

>>53729707
I predict she'll get above Fauna because she's functioning as a waiting room for Gura and she's a better player than Fauna generally so she shouldn't get stuck in a loop like Fauna did. So like 13-14.

>>53729754
Has anyone beat it on their first stream?

>>53729773
That anon is black, jannies can tell

>>53727690
>211p: Fauna
>150p: Mori
>145p: Ina
>137p: IRyS
>127p: Mumei
>121p: Baelz
>101p: Kronii
>83p: Amelia
>79p: Kiara
>75p: Gura

>top 10 is just holoEN

I don't know this Slime game
Is this game a buff game or a debuff game?

>>53729354
Because continuing to defend Cover's decision at this point is stupidity that only a beggar would unironically do. On paper debuting the homos at that time might've been a good idea (which is heavily debatable and I'm on the camp that it was a stupid thing to even think about) but Cover completely fucked up the process by not debuting a new HoloEN gen a few months after Tempiss and you absolutely can't ignore that part in this discussion. It was an extremely retarded choice for a risk that barely paid itself and now there's a risk half of their first "half" and 2/3rds of their best performers might be gone before their first anniversary, all for "muh market diversification".

Some interesting stuff going on with Flyon btw

>>53729844
Neutral at best.

>>53729773
nothing wrong with niggers

>>53729856
I'll bite nigger, what's wrong?

>>53729844
It's not a slime game. It's a flash game, a restaurant sim.

>>53729844
It's not a slime game Gura just wanted to use that picture. It's a game where you make ice cream for people. I'd call it neutral or slight debuff cuz it's kinda boring.

>>53728398
So much puff

>>53729707
9k

>>53729856
Stop vageuposting and just fucking explain yourself holy fuck

>>53729782
Aqua did, but it took 7h

>>53729780
>better player than Fauna
rumao

>>53729913
She is, on average, a better player than Fauna though. Fauna literally doesn't play games that take skill

>>53729844
It's not a slime game... it's a browser flash game tier milkshake maker. I forget what bae got for it, but it's nothing special.

>>53728398
Is she about to pee in that cup?

I can't believe my wife is this cute

>>53729960
And Ina does?

>>53730000
She played elden ring so yes

>>53730016
didn't beat it

>>53730016
of course you're a soulsfag

>>53729780
>a better player than Fauna
t.ako
Uhhhhhhhhhhh, Ina's famously dogshit at platforming, and also tends to freeze/crawl when she panics. The odds of her clearing the game within ~3-5 hours is exceptionally low.

>>53730016
>elden ring
>skill

>>53730016
I beat Elden Ring, it's not very hard if you overlevel and abuse gear, even Reine beat it.

>>53729305
100k
80k
50k

>>53730042
She will... when the DLC content date is announced

>>53727892
>That shit never happened before
serious sam

>>53729960
>>53730000
>>53730016
Here's the definitive Hololive gamer skill tier list

>>53730066
If Ina beats it in under 5 hours I'll watch an entire Koshien stream with the sound on and not tabbed out.

>>53730140
Catalog garbage with IRyS way too low.

This is an easy thing to decide, Ina and Fauna were both in the jackbox games, who placed consistently higher than the other?

>>53730140
>posting his shitty list
go back
>>53708583

>>53730197
Jackbox isn't a real fucking game

>>53730140
>roboco
>dam good
any one has the dark souls webm

>>53730140
>Kronii that high
>when she mainly plays walking sims and her most played game on Steam is Speedrunners with 50 hours
yeah no why do morons make these lists if they don't even watch streams?

>>53730222
Neither of them play nethack so that is a moot point.

>>53730140
Kaela is fucking dogshit at games are you stupid

>>53730140
Fuck off, reddit

>>53729707
Dunno but her waiting room is barely above Gura’s despite streaming 3 hours sooner

>>53730197
Fauna sweep. They were also in the Mario maker tourney
https://youtu.be/GU_D7HsuwKg?t=5014

>>53729333
>>53729603
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjbNMlc-kkk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9y55SVMgKw
THEY ARE appreciating each other's content

>>53730140
Where is da boiz?

>>53730197
Yeah? Fauna won the Metronome tournament and the Mario Maker tournament.
My oshi is a goddamn winner.

>>53730140
IRyS carried in mario btw

>>53730363
All them are shit except Vesper and maybe blue homo.

>>53730260
her first elden ring stream and platforming skills on DKC show she knows games, she also was really decent on MH and splatoon whithout much experience.
Kronii issue is that she doesnt want people to see her getting mad and she does with difficult games, hence why she plays mostly indie garbage but wont touch only up or GOI

>>53730393

>>53730487
>her first elden ring stream
You mean the one where everyone fucking laughed at how trivial the boss is when you play a mage

>>53728165
>Who are these "people"? Anons?
>To Cover it was a a simple business decision that may or may not have been informed by people who pretended to know better
Anon, it doesn't take a SUPER GENIUS to figure things out.
I'll play the role of an external consultant tasked with advising Cover on whether it would be a good business decision to invest on male vtubers.

Here are some facts taken from publicly available data

1) Superchat revenue
The all time superchat revenue up until Dec 31st 2022 for ALL of the Holostars in the Japanese branch was 1,647,653 US dollars.
Koyori and Chloe ALONE in 2022 ALONE had a SC revenue of 1,693,367 US dollars, surpassing their three and a half years of revenue.
Again, just to make it short
>Chloe and Koyori alone had a higher SC revenue in 2022 than the Holostars in all of their history from 2019 up until the end of 2022

2) Subscriptions
Adding up the subscriptions of ALL of the japanese Holostars leads to a combined sub count of
>2,362,700
Chloe, Koyori and Laplus combined have
>3,058,000
Again, just to make it short
>Chloe, Laplus and Koyori alone have a higher subs count than the Holostars in all of their history from 2019 up until now

3) Live audience
In 2022 the Holostars had a combined total of
>5,256,146
hours watched.
In the same period Chloe alone had
>5,791,323
hours watched.
Again, just to make it short
>Chloe alone have a bigger live audience in 2022 than the Holostars in the same period

If I were an external consultant advising COVER on whether to debut male vtubers or female vtubers, with the available public information alone I could make an incontestable case against debuting male vtubers.

You are calling it "a simple business decision". You are a retard and defending the indefensible.
Whatever "business decision" you are defending is not motivated by either revenue or any possibly performance metric and can only be based on matters unrelated to the business at hand

>>53726894
Not a vtuber.

>>53729603
>>53730343
it's been a hot minute since I watched vinny but I used to get the impression that vtubing in general kinda made him cringe a little, but not too much, an 'I don't get it but do what you do' kinda thing
can't remember if that was before or after limes became a vtuber though

>>53730575
good bait

>>53730547
>trivial
the fuck do you mean trivial
do you want them to not use magic? also she was one of the few that used the disguise spell.

>>53730645
t. Didn't watch the fucking stream

>>53729298
Uma delicià!

>>53730711
she beat it faster than most
and she wasnt the first that chose a magic class.

>>53728165
>>53730564
Here is one missing number.

4) VOD audience
The total VOD views for the whole japanese branch of the Holostars is
>164,818,718 views
Koyori alone has 204,147,833 views in her channel.

In every possible metric it only takes three, two or sometimes A SINGLE one of the latest debuts of the JP branch to outrank the ENTIRE japanese branch of the Holostars.
I don't know who the fuck is advising them on these "simple business decisions" but it is definitely not based on either existing metrics or business concerns.

>>53730547
>how trivial the boss is when you play a mage
If you're not a scrub.
https://youtu.be/kO9HmhwGzXs?t=335

>>53730575
Illya is better than any vtuber could ever be.

>>53730624
Bad bait

>>53730547
>how trivial the boss is when you play a mage
2023 and fromdrone are still mad a players using magic peebles

>>53730449
>Mario champ
>Elden Ring Tree Sentinel champ
>Splatoon champ
>Megaman champ.
This is the face of a true gamer

>>53729298
BELO JOGO

come watch this 2view trying to survive being one of the last two of her corpo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmRMCcTm6NI

Elden ring sissies need to go back

>>53730802
Boring fanservice character also off topic

>>53730802
This getting deleted or not will give us the answer.

>>53730564
B-b-but the homos brought in a new audience! Nearly 1000 people I think even! Checkmate!

vspoop status? where did the sus 136k go to?

>>53730564
Anon, the business argument for an attempt at StarsEN is really fucking obvious - Luxiem. Without the luxury of hindsight (ie: flaky mainlanders), what you're looking at is your main competitor debuting EN Males once and immediately drowning in money. Fuck, I'm willing to bet they got the forced integration idea as a direct knockoff of Luxiem.

In July 2023, we now know the decision was retarded, Anykara has no clue what they're doing, and NijiEN is a radioactive dumpster fire that's only making their own fortunes worse by the day. But we're talking Summer 2022, you don't get hindsight. All you see is your competitor spontaneously getting numbers that are directly competitive against HoloEN girls, and sometimes even beating them. Any investor with two braincells to rub together is going to want a piece of that.

>>53730802
post the atahuta version

>>53729548
>>53729598
At this point if a hololive girl got a train run on her by niji males you’d be saying be praising them. This the same guy that called all vtubers and fans pedos then let iron mouse leech him

>>53730986
Having an orgy with the Belo Jogo viewers.

>>53730986
>where did the sus 136k go to
to fps_shaka, daruma, etc
the vspo box is the fps box

>>53731013
where do you think you are

>>53731013
>This the same guy that called all vtubers and fans pedos then let iron mouse leech him
Anon, he's literally a blank slate. He has no opinions or personality other than CURRENT THING. It'd be like being happy at a mosquito biting someone you don't like but then being mad it bites you. It's a fucking mosquito, it has no agency.

Any vt screencap videos made of those faggots getting suspended yet?

>>53730871
Irys being so bad at most games but being absolutely cracked on Splatoon was for me one of those revelation moments that I barely understand girls' dimension of games.

>>53730608
He kinda forced to at least tolerate them since one of his close friends turned into a vtuber

>>53730989
>Anon, the business argument for an attempt at StarsEN is really fucking obvious - Luxiem. Without the luxury of hindsight (ie: flaky mainlanders)
For fuck sake, was EVER any doubt that that majority of Luxiem audience came from a place OFF LIMITS for Hololive?
This is not hindsight, it is basic observation.
Here is Vox tweet and stream thumbnail for his White day (March 13) stream
>which he had to remove the yellow stars because his TW fans took exception

>Any investor with two braincells to rub together is going to want a piece of that.
Your whole defense for that retarded decision to make sense hinges on the investors to be COMPLETELY OBLIVIOUS about two undeniable truths that were posted in the previous posts and this one
1) that ANY Hololive girl (even the ones that debuted in the end of 2021) is worth more than pretty much the whole boy branch put together
2) that ALL of the Nijisanji EN initial success came from pandering to a market that is off limits for Cover

Your defense to that decision comes from a something as miraculous and contradictory as the Virgin Birth
>that Cover made a wise and calculate decision based on existing facts that it would be worth debuting boy vtubers
>that Cover miscalculated all of the factors that led to it's unavoidable demise
That's too dumb

>>53731367
Who?

>>53731246
If IRyS has the ability to remember long term, she would be the GAMER of hololive. Sadly, her brain is bloken

>>53730989
Yes you do retard nijisanji having successful males is nothing new they’ve already tried this song and dance homobegging faggot

>>53730986
Too occupied Belo Jogging with Nijifriends right now

>>53729707
7 843 median and 13049 peak.

>>53729548
>mythic trying to leech holos

>>53731388
Limes. And I think Imakuni from the old group debuted as a vtuber as well, but she doesn't seem to care about him too much anymore.

>>53730989
But a vast majority of their fans were from a country that Cover already pulled out of? That isn’t some secret either. It was pretty easy to see where most of the luxiem boom came from. In what world would people at cover think that they’d get even a slice of the Chinese pie?

>>53729844
Dinner Dash but with Pizza
debuff for anyone but gura, it's neutral for her so 14k

>>53731382
it took a whole year for luxiem to crumble
at that time EVEN WITH ALL THE yabs they still have the numebrs.
it was not just chinese but SEA, and JP fujos it too.
Any investor or market researcher would now that it was act now or be way too late.
And the first batch of tempus really did decent in their first 6 months.

>>53731522
Retardbro don't look at asmongoys sub count or stream averages

>>53731382
>>53730989
>Fuck, I'm willing to bet they got the forced integration idea as a direct knockoff of Luxiem.
One more thing about that: out of all of NIjisanji, Luxiem success came from being one of the most gender segregated waves they ever debuted, the first all boys gen since what, VΔLZ in 2020?
The absolute meltdown Vox audience threw with that whole Reimu thing is more that evidence that their audience was made pretty much of sister-corns and believing anyone would look at that and think
>wow! maybe integration is the way to go
is too dumb, even dumber than making the decision.

They didn't make any of those calls out of "simple business decisions" as you said, they made it out of reasons that cannot possibly be explained by either potential peformance or direct business concerns.

>>53731079
That shark is 9000 years old that’s legal everywhere but Atlantis

Holocure is getting a soft reset of 0.6 it seems
https://twitter.com/holocuredev/status/1681403385306841088

>>53730989

>>53730989
Aside from the China shit other anons have mentioned, do you think King and Sultan's success are a reasonable business argument for debuting more Holostars? Come on now anon, the market Cover has built around itself is fundamentally different from the market for Nijisanji.

>>53731578
Retardchama, it's not about leeching, more about butting in.
>>53731522
They saw how Ironmouse has already reached her limit spamming Connor, and their Filian attempt hasn't really worked, so now they're back to early-EN tactics used by TT.

>>53729844
She will get 13k with it. The return buff is wearing off.

>>53730140
S
>aqua
>botan
>towa
>ogayu
>suisei
A
>shion
>ayame
>matuli
>fbk
>korone
>laplus
>luna
B,C,D, E
>doesn't matter
F
>choco
>hololive_gamers_mio.webm

>>53731668
Not like that hasn't stopped Cover from desperately trying to find their own male star.

>>53730989
>already have way more popular and lucrative talents in HoloEN
>BUT LOOK AT LUXIEM THEY HAD A COUPLE OF NON-SHIT CCV STREAMS!!! WE NEED TO DROP THE GIRLS LIKE A SACK OF SHIT AND GO ALL IN ON THE BOIZZZ!!!
Is that seriously what you think happened?

>>53731709
>return buff
Retard.

>>53731639
good, the previous versions save files were hackable with b64 into plain json, my save has 99999999999999999 on everything

>>53731747
But that's not a "simple business decision", what they did was take a fuckoff huge risk and slammed facefirst into reality.

>53731721
Schizo

>>53731675
>Retardchama, it's not about leeching, more about butting in.
He's a react streamer, everything and anything is his content.

>>53731787
May as well have. A whole year of Tempus has jaded me.

>>53730989
Picking the members for StarsEN would have happened in Feb-April from what we've heard about the audition process. Decisions around planning and creating the gen probably happened earlier. It still fit your Luxiem (Dec 2021 debut) timeline. Cover was probably going to debut a male gen either way, Luxiem justified and accelerated the process. By the way how badly were Council, Obsydia, and Ethyria doing? Did each do worse compared to their predecessors? If Luxiem is part of why Cover decided on two StarsEN gens, then the three all-girls gens (July-Oct 2021 debuts) should be argued as the reason for Cover not planning an EN3.

>>53731668
Research cope would be "emerging market".

>>53731608
are you perhaps forgetting something about 'that whole Reimu thing', why the sisters had a meltdown, maybe leaving out a detail or two

>>53731013
>>53731114
Surely there's a clip of asmon actually dissing on vtubers out there?

>>53731787
Wouldn't surprise me. Investors and executives are sometimes retarded as fuck.
https://twitter.com/_AlexHirsch/status/1537314312926003201
https://neiloseman.com/the-making-of-back-to-the-future/
>Sheinberg also hated the title Back to the Future and wanted it changed to Spaceman from Pluto, a reference to the comic clutched by the Peabody children after the DeLorean crashes into their barn on arriving in 1955. Zemeckis and Gale turned to Spielberg to help them dodge this title without offending Sheinberg; his solution was to send a memo saying what a big laugh they all got out of Sheinberg’s joke. The studio president never mentioned it again

>>53731812
Has he mentioned old saves somewhere or are you just assuming they wont work?

>>53730989
What Fagoo doesn't understand is that Cover getting their own King is about as likely as Nijsanji getting their own Gura.

>>53731975(me)
Businesses like their "trends".

>>53731988
That was in May 2022. Decision about TempusHQ would have already happened.

>>53732063
I just assume it based on everything he said

>>53727690
211p: Fauna
150p: Mori
145p: Ina
137p: IRyS
127p: Mumei
121p: Baelz
101p: Kronii
83p: Amelia
79p: Kiara
75p: Gura
74p: Vox
>All HoloEN members has more points than any NijiEN

>>53731382
>Your whole defense for that retarded decision to make sense hinges on the investors to be COMPLETELY OBLIVIOUS about two undeniable truths that were posted in the previous posts and this one
>1) that ANY Hololive girl (even the ones that debuted in the end of 2021) is worth more than pretty much the whole boy branch put together
But this point is completely irrelevant. Any and all reasons to consider debuting homos involve capturing a new audience. As long as revenue is greater than expenses, it's worth it - of course we can tell today that Tempus is expensing the everloving fuck out of the girls for questionable revenue, but the premise is thinking that would work when:

>2) that ALL of the Nijisanji EN initial success came from pandering to a market that is off limits for Cover
That's the point I'm disputing. Yes, Luxiem had a large Chinese audience. In case you forgot, so did Hololive, to the point where the Chinese audience is arguably the reason why Hololive rose to prominence over 2019-2020. And yet, when Cover completely cut that tumor out...they kept inclining, and as it turns out they were barely making any money at all from China.

Ergo, a Cover-perspective argument is that while the attention is coming from China, a majority of the revenue isn't. So sayeth their own personal experiences. If you want to throw ye olden Google Trends numbers at it, NijiEN also got a lot of their numbers from SEA, which clearly isn't off limits to Cover.

Or it's just garden variety >>53732046 that sees dollar signs but is too lazy to keep track of where they're coming from.

>>53731787
I'm sure it's not a couple of "not-shit ccv" streams. A year ago when Tempus debuted, I was sure they were doomed to failure because they didn't have their Vox. Because Vox, at the time of their debut, seemed to me to be some sort of benchmark of perfect male vtuber for the sisters. I was so wrong.

>>53732046
>sometimes

>>53730140
>Roboco

>Decided to stream the same day of NijiEN dating show
>Decided to do another rare stream the very next day in which Uki will celebrate his birthday
Does she know? What's her endgame?

>>53727742
vesleech and fagni were the only ones pushing themselves into holo EN with some degree of success the other homos have only ID and perhaps BAE if she feels like it and it's not likely to change no matter how many new homos they might debut in the future.

>>53732249
Is it Sioposting hours?

>>53732370
she does not, but it's always funny.

>>53732153
I mean NijiEN cant even make cripple tally most of the time

>>53732370
Don't forget completely fucking over mori kek

>>53730989
Option A
>go after a proof of concept success from your rival company, it's risky, there's no longrun stats and they are capitalizing a market you previously hurt
Option B
>monopoliza and secure the market you already have which is more profitable than ever and unlimited reach potential with a minimal investment

mindshare

https://twitter.com/schriAlphi/status/1681270849846878210

>>53732370
Turns out the biggest retard on EN is actually the smartest

>>53732419
>Holo vs Holo

Cannot wait for Ina to thoroughly mog Fauna's only up

>>53731563
>it took a whole year for luxiem to crumble
FOR FUCK SAKE, their whole market was mainland China.
>but SEA, and JP fujos it too.
No it was not. I give you a tiny fraction of SEA but ZERO of JP, that's not backed even by cursory observation.
>Any investor or market researcher would now that it was act now or be way too late.
Only if you ignore everything that was written in >>53730564 and >>53731382 and go with a complete gut feeling which is the opposite of "simple business decision".

Cover has a money printing machine with three girls, two girls, ONE GIRL outranking the whole combined every metric of their male branch.
Their competitor only managed to get EVEN CLOSE (but not ahead) of their North American operation going with a full fledged mainland chinese operation
>to the point they got KFC China to sponsor them in 2023

Only a complete retard would look at that and think
>maybe we should try to emulate them
It is NOT a "simple business decision", it is a retarded hunch that didn't pan out.

>>53731563
>And the first batch of tempus really did decent in their first 6 months.
No they didn't (even wuith the watered down "decent" adjective you used) and, again, they didn't by ANY metric

Here are some data on their performance

1) Subscribers
Right now their combined subscriber count is
>896,000.
Kaela and Zeta (for some time the lowest subbed Holo girl), which debuted only four months before them, are already at a combined
>1,419,000

2) Superchat revenue
The four original Tempus have a combined TOTAL SC revenue, career wide, of
>464,215 USD
Koyori alone, in 2022 alone, had a revenue of
>702,556 USD


>>53732167
>But this point is completely irrelevant. Any and all reasons to consider debuting homos involve capturing a new audience.
>As long as revenue is greater than expenses, it's worth it -
Only if you are conjuring that investment completely out of your main operation, which is not the case here.
It would make COMPLETE sense if they created
>Holostars Productions
with their own budget, their own structure and made a move for the "male vtuber" market.
I completely agree that even if they were Project Kawaii size, as long as they had their revenue covering their expenses it would be a net positive.

But that's not the case here, they debuted a whole new branch within the existing structure, aping on the existing resources and entering the existing business strategy.

>Cover completely cut that tumor out...they kept inclining, and as it turns out they were barely making any money at all from China.
>Ergo, a Cover-perspective argument is that while the attention is coming from China, a majority of the revenue isn't.
All of Luxiem major sponsors were from China. All of Luxiem main audienec was from China.

If you dispute that this fact was obvious from the getgo even from an outside observer this little debate ends here as it has no merit.
Just say
>I believe it is reasonable for an outside observer to assume the majority of Luxiem did not come from China
and you can call this a victory in your mind.

>>53732370
Has she ever mentioned non-Hololive vtubers?

>>53732419
>Don't forget completely fucking over mori kek
mori been getting to cocky lately just cause she hasn't yab in a while, so good

Not in Japan

>>53732370
I doubt she is even aware that NijiEN exists

>>53732566
I think pikamee and kizuna? I might be remembering wrong tough.

>>53732108
the post I replied to left out the part about how the meltdown was not over reimu and vox being on the same stream in some female unicorn thing, but reimu barging into miloads ASMR stream and snowballing into the parasocial fucks thing, turning on his own fujosisters over her like an idiot, and then running it back like a pussy and losing even more respect
forgive me but I am occasionally compelled to elaborate when I see someone omitting the actual reason something blew up when they use it in an argument, even when the argument is another tempus timeloop whirligig of cocks that I do not care about

>>53732621
Maybe through Kiara if she tuned in for those streams.

>>53732637
>I replied to left out the part about how the meltdown was not over reimu and vox being on the same stream in some female unicorn thing
Do you believe they would have the same reaction had Mysta been the one barging in into the stream?

>>53732590
>>53732599
hopefully she's aware that the season reset of diablo will be a day prior

>>53729844
>He doesn't know about this kino 「slime game」https://youtu.be/cN9Xhtb345w
Unironically skill issues.

>>53732566
Not many by name, but she has mentioned she has watched indies.

>>53732514
Explain how it wasn't a shitty move

>>53732717
Have a timestamp to go with that?

>>53732540
>No it was not. I give you a tiny fraction of SEA but ZERO of JP
You can check their superchat stats. They get a lot of it in yen.

>>53731639
Steam version is supposed to come out with 0.6, right?

>>53732697
Is it like Path of Exile where you have a main account and then can start a new season with a blank character?

>>53732684
do you believe it would have led to the same meltdown if it had been a normal stream, rather than vox's fans getting clamblocked and then told to fuck off by pretty much the entire branch

>>53731821
Except they didn’t that’s the actual problem. Ens profits would near double with girls that’s not a question but what’s about now. Worst possible scenario homos operate at a loss and even the girls are making less money on a day to day basis none of that matters because at the same time all of en has had an increase in merch opportunities especially Gura*, Ina, and Mori. Even if Mori is moving a third what she used to she got 5 times the opportunity to move it. Even in the worst case imaginable en is probably more profitable now than they were before the homos. Now all you have to do is present the data in a way that says they are a net positive.

>>53732741
better to call you a braindead faggot

>>53728535
We wait for the Baseball thing to end

>>53732769
Not that I can immediately pull out, I'd need to dig through the archives. It was an offhand remark answering someone's chat message or SC I think?

>>53732370
>Doesn't stream when most of EN is active to guarantee most cripple golds
>Returns when many EN are out of comission to secure cripple golds
You can't make this shit up

>>53732817
yes, there is a realm of old characters from previous seasons

>>53732791
I'll assume by "a lot" you mean "non zero" and that the prevailing currency for their SC are the favored by the people Superchating from China, which I assume to be NT

>>53732042
Yes iron mouse even reacted to it faggot

Uki will get 20k with his 6 hours birthday stream with full Luxiem call and karaoke anyways.

I think you have to fuck up pretty badly if you get suspended from streaming on your anniversary week.

>>53732931
who

>>53732853
t. Brainded faggot

>Ina giggling and eating
that's the good shit

>>53732960
it's not a suspension it's just an involuntary break with no access to their accounts for exactly 2 weeks

Ina's back on Leafland

Ina tricked us....

>>53728340
I was only blocked by not-Kronii, no idea when that actually happened too, she's not super active so it might be unrelated with the recent drama but it's certainly curious.

>>53732842
>do you believe it would have led to the same meltdown if it had been a normal stream
No. I believe the girls sharing the stream with Vox were (correctly) in the belief that that was a personal moment between them and Vox
>which they were paying dearly for
and that another girl barging in and demanding his attention was interfering with that.
I also say they were jealous of Reimu attempt at proximity with Vox and said as much in their tweets, and called what she did "interfering with their date" (which is also accurate in the context).

I don't know what exactly is your point but mine is that nobody would look at the behaviour of that audience (and Vox behaviour) and reach the following conclusion
>it is a net benefit for Hololive EN to be more like Nijisanji and integrate a male branch in the girls content

>>53732566
https://files.catbox.moe/93a508.mp4

slime gura really took off huh

>>53733048
How can you tell if you're blocked?

>>53732370
Easy 14k for Uki like last year, Gura will barely get 8k, 10k max.

>>53732931
>Uki Faggeta
>20k
RUMAO NO.Their most blatant literal homobait collab yesterday didn't even hit 15K.

>>53732590
Kronii save your homos...

Neal is so shit

>>53733103

>>53733103
Holy fucking based.

>6k and she hasn't even started playing the game yet
Yeah she's getting 14k easy