/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>5283867
I didn't know cover was powerful enough to patent colors

The market is oversaturated we all know. So many startups are popping up and half will be gone in the next year. At least with this one they seem to be putting in actual effort, can't say that about some of the others. It is disappointing.

I wish this gets big as hololive. Very excited for 1st gen!

All of these startups and yet not a single male in any of them, sugoi

i only care about loli manager

>>5283963
they've already stated they want to start male branch

>>5284039
I hope they actually do end up doing that since all of the other companies also claim males are fine but never do anything

>>5283867
oh no no no no no

>>5284108
males are fine but you have to be exceptional to get in as a male. The barrier for entry is greater if you're a man.

>>5284174
I get that and while I wouldn't apply myself, since they have decent marketing so far I think a male agency could become big possibly as long as they properly market them too

>>5283867
when is debut?

It looks okay but not much to go off for what the talents are like

Here is the tweet since nobody posted it
https://twitter.com/cyberlivecorp/status/1405938613855002632?s=20

>>5284174
>>5284223
are there even big male vtubers? compared to female talents there's probably only 5 or 6 that made it

>>5283867
>already has loli for manager
shows promise

>>5283867
>>5283923
Ina isn't even green you absolute retards. Get off of my planet.

>>5284703
triple loli?

>>5283963
girls dont want to watch vtubers
boys dont want to watch male vtubers
simple as

>>5285480
>girls dont want to watch vtubers
what if we stitched together some garbage kpop group band, with shitty minecraft youtuber bullshit, and then put it inside the hollow shell of a vtuber?

>>5285553
Then you'll have 14 years old schizo girls in your fanbase and the community would be even worse than before

honestly im just looking forward to manager-chan streams, the only unique thing about them

>>5285644
You'd get money though. Hololive already made this faustian bargain with idolfags, somebody else might as well try the boy band stans.

>>5284039
put up or shut up, words are cheap
every org saying they'll definitely eventually do an EN male branch but where are all of them lol?

>>5284357
admiral bahroo usually has more viewers than the vshojo girls unless they're doing a collab

>>5286467
That's all preexisting audience though.

>>5286117

Will they be a family?

>>5286493
cope, the entirety of holoEN and VShojo is pre-existing audience

>>5286517
not a loli

>>5286554
You are not wrong but my point is Bahroo is not indicative of how well a male EN vtuber can do without a preexisting audience which would be important for small agencies trying to kickstart a male branch. I do believe that pandering to fujos can make them incline over time but it would probably take some time still.

>>5283867
>Cyberlive
>Prism Gen 3
>Tsunderia gen 2
>Phase-Connect
>Kawaii
>Aiko
>4live
>Narwhal
>MyHolotv reboot
>Heavenrend
>Amber
>Isekai/JCC
>HliveEN
>More Nijis
>More Holos
>More Indies
>more /here/s

JESAS

>>5284703
loli manager if you're here i love you

>>5286681
Okay but what would you even want from a male branch?
>they aren't cute
>all they do is play acoustic guitar
>there are a million indies and they get no where

>>5286149
do 14 year old bitches have money for akasupas though? It's a very different model.

>>5284703
What is this infatuation with jackets now? They've become the new asymmetrical stocking's

>>5286849
half of those will be gone in the next year after contracts end and the holo dream dies for the smaller indies

>>5286942
at least she is a manager and not a real talent so it makes more sense like a-chan

>>5284315
>Cyberlive corp
>logo looks like a mix of Cover corp and Vshojo

they aint even trying

>>5285322
they follow nam so there is hope

>>5286938
Have you ever been in a holostars stream? They have aunties and teenage girls who drop 100 dollar donos ever stream

>>5287023
i miss ria too, anon...

>>5287023
also following rik0ring, reinly, xiho, and mya
pretty decent artists all things considered

>>5287041
the rat is coming back I believe

>>5286856
Indie boys get nowhere because they are autistic faggots in all the wrong ways. One boy by himself just doesn't work unless you are already big and can just play videogames or whatever. Girls don't watch to see one guy being autistic. There needs to be at least a couple of them interacting constantly. They are synergetic in a way.

>>5286938
Loads of them have more daddy's money than sense. And then fujo/yumejo audience can spend their life savings on their oshi. Have you seen the tatsunoko room? There are even more baffling equivalents of that for Kanae.

>>5287120
rik0 and nam loli models and mya is the manager so presumably the others are the rest of the talents

>>5287287
>riko only draws lolis
alright i'm invested

>>5286849
>>Phase-Connect
This is the worst sounding name desu

>>5287030
>Have you ever been in a holostars stream?

No

>>5287430
I think that award goes to narwal

>>5287476
ive never even heard of them but i already hate it

>>5286517
>comparing hag slugma to this

>>5287015
>Cyberlive corp
>logo looks like a mix of Cover corp and Vshojo
>they aint even trying
trying something unfamiliar is too risky

>>5284357
Tokyo Ghoul is pretty popular

>>5286856
Typical male stuff, playing Stalker, Factorio or games like that while talking a bit about everything

>>5288336
now find an ENVtuber with Kazuhas level of charisma

>>5287187
>girls don't want to watch autistic boys
wrong
they don't want to watch degenerate autistic boys, they want to watch cute autistic boys, as in naive, cute, pure boys
guys on 4chan are the type of autism where they snort glue, do a whippit, and then scream at a kid in their dota game to kill themselves

>>5288336
the audience pool can't handle more male vtubers. there are too few female fans of vtubing in general

>>5289019
anon, half of the holostars thread is straight guys talking about how they want to get a beer with roberu or aru

>>5289041
and how many is that? 50?
even if guys watch holostars, doesn't change the fact that not many people watch male vtubers compared to female ones

>>5289170
>50
god it's so blatantly obvious you guys have never seen a single stream but pretend to know about it
Roberu's Henry stickmin stream has as many views on it as some of the girls

>>5289170
Males will always pull less numbers than Female which IMO is why companies aren't doing them. They spend the same amount of money for something that will perform worse.

Doesn't mean there isn't a market, just it isn't as good and is uncharted in the West so far

>>5283867
>cyberfable
That's absolutely fine anon. With a name like Cyber Fable, it could be cool, if its fables themed concepts mixed with a scifi-elements.

>>5286849
groomers paradise

>>5288503
The pic itself is a proof that he's an exception more than anything. But as some said, the current female audience is more into kpop and things like that than vtubers. Anime is still a pretty masculine hobby, video games in some ways

>>5288747
There are loads of those on twitch. They all have like 20 viewers. Why don't you watch them?

>>5289360
listen i like roberu and the rest of holostars too, but it doesn't change the fact that they aren't doing even half as good even anya

have cyberlive even confirmed that there isn't male or are we just speculating

>>5289852
the manager tweeted that they would do a male gen when someone asked her on marshmallow. no other western startup has ever mentioned males if i remember correctly, so cyberlive is already a step up

>>5289852
they said this gen is female oriented which means they took all the male applicants and just fed their applications to the shredder

Well /VT/?

>>5289987
if this is the riko loli then yes

>>5289987
me, right now

>>5289588
Brotuber would probably be the most viable.

Cyberlive could go the Admiral Bahroo route of silent female companion with male avatar. So like, imagine if you will:
-Summoner themed gen.
-Pet-themed gen
-Beast tamer gen
-Mad scientist that manufactures and sells sexy monstergirls
-bounty hunter
- warriors with weapon that speaks

>>5290278
lolimanager please respond

>>5289736
Holostar are doing okay in the grand scheme of Vtubing. And please remember being in Cover actually debuff for them.

>>5286959
phase-connects first debut is today so we'll have to see

I just want a tomboy is that too much to ask

i want to fuck the manager

>>5287430
there's one called WACTOR

i dont even know why all these companies are even trying

>>5283923
>Green
She...

>>5297033
no western startup has really made it except vshojo, if you consider them to be an 'agency'

there's still room for new growth

how are they growing fast without a generation 1? or is this a converted account or something

>>5308087
it doesnt look like it? but who knows honestly

i saw the loli manager in phase's first debut chat

>>5308087
good marketing i guess

>>5308820
oh so it is legit

who?

does anyone know anything else about cyberlive? another black company startup?

>>5311079
theyve put some money into marketing so far and are following some big artists so i hope theyre not another black company

>>5311079
they had a website up during auditions that mentioned them being "talent first" (like vshojo) but I am not sure if that is even true

>>5311488
>>5311488
looks like they pulled down their website within the last day or so, i swear i was just looking at it. on their faq they seemed pretty set on giving their chuubas lots of leg room to do what they want

>>5284703
imagine thinking this is a loli

>>5283867
Between Prism, Kawaii, and Tsunderia it was already getting difficult to care about everyone. Now there's Heavenrend and Phase Connect and this. I want everyone to incline but it's a sad reality that not all of them will, and now every new startup feels more like competition rather than potential new friends and collab opportunities.

>>5315027
teaser soon maybe?

>h-hololive has a monopoly in the West! No one will ever get the light of day!
>meanwhile there are so many startups and new indies eating market share while Hololive implodes
Beautiful.

>>5286849
This is a gold rush. Expect some consolidation, but more of these companies will find mid level success than you'd think and stick around. People live off patreon and Indiegogo with fewer supporters than you'd think.

Is CyberLive another company where the talent has to take out loans with the company to get their models, rigs, and equipment (up charged) in exchange for publicity, favorable channel splits, and people to collab with? One of those that leaves the applicants with $10k+ debt unless they manage to actually get popular?

>>5318915
It wouldn't be surprising to see MyHoloTV and Kawaii get absorbed by one of the bigger companies. Tsunderia is the obvious choice since they've been around the longest, not to mention they're based in the US and have already absorbed one of MyHoloTV's 2nd gen.

>>5283867
Why is it always groups of 5?
Make it 4.
Most non-mmo multiplayer games only allow 4 players anyway so there's always going to be someone who gets left out.

>>5289852
>>5289884
>>5289947
>no other western startup has ever mentioned males
Nah, some other western agencies have also mentioned it (and yeah, it was mostly just in response to marshmallows/twitter questions explicitly asking), BUT they all gave the same non-committal placating answer like cyberlive now, so the usual variations of "yeah sure, we're not like opposed to it in principle, and would love to work with males in the future..... (BUT right now or focus is on developing our female starter generations at first)" etc.

>>5319047
Kawaii is actually doing relatively okay for a new western no-name startup. Numbers-wise they're comparable to Tsunderia, or at least not so far behind that "they go under and Tsunderia absorbs them" is the most obvious foregone conclusion.
Could very well be that if Tsunderia continues to just tread water, some of the other similar agencies could overtake them.

Which reminds me, out of the new startups from that list >>5286849 , who's actually the biggest (by whatever metric you deem relevant, subs/views/vods/SC's etc.)? I'm not (just) asking because I don't want to get invested into something that'll go under in a few months, but I want to get in on some group that'll actually incline further.

Oversaturation is such a virgin word. Just watch the ones you like, the ones who dont get views disappear eventually.
Competition only leads to better product.

>>5320534
Well, i just joined Nene Amano's membership, so i'm really hoping they stick around.

>>5318915
>patreon and Indiegogo
Speaking of which you think some of these companies should allow for IndieGogo/Kickstarter and Patreon/Subscribstar?

>>5321157
Could be an interesting alternative to get around the dependency on youtube's monetization fuckery, sure why not.
Might have to be a bit creative though with offering actual incentives/rewards for that (on youtube you'll at least get "membership streams" etc.) though, to get more than just the basic "support for being you"-simps.

>>5319405
Got to be ready for sudden graduations. Think of the fifth member as the spare

>>5321481
Brainstorming ideas:
1. Bikini outfits
2. Get to vote on new outfits
3. Vote on special asmr/VA roleplay streams too suggestive for Youtube
4. Prerecorded skits that would get demonetized on Youtube
5. access to Twitch VOD
6. crowdfunding small indie games or webcomics (that can be later posted on sites like webtoon)

>>5320619
They're hardly even competing since many of these companies are just gonna be collabing with each other like Prism and Tsunderia do. 4/5 Prism girls get like 30-40 viewers on average and they're still keeping on.

>>5324516
Not that I even disagree, these are all possible ideas, but I noticed that many of your points basically revolve around "being more lewd (than what's allowed for youtube)" and while that is certainly an avenue for the few girls who are into that, that's probably not the majority of them and most would rather want to keep it seiso and not treat it as becoming some kind of Onlyfans-light.

>>5324706
Which brings up an interesting conundrum for the small startups, which ties into the general question about "is the market already saturated?" as well.

Is it better for these small agencies to "cooperate" with each other, or to "compete" (or at least "isolate") against each other?
Because there's an argument to be made for both sides, on the one hand a rising tide lifts all boats and all that, but on the other hand, they could also probably just self-cannibalize each other over just having the same few viewers (so basically just the scraps that the behemoth Hololive leaves over) who are already watching everyone, and not see any real new external growth from it, you know like that old western-indietuber semi-joke "half your viewers are probably just other western indietubers anyway".

>>5327178
Compare the numbers for HoloEN to everybody else and there's clearly room for them all to grow if they can capture that. Granted it'd probably take a big stumble from cover for their viewers to realise there's competition.
I think the agencies cooperating makes them much more enticing from the outside. Most viewers are going to find their competitors pretty quickly anyway so no sense in trying to stop it when it'd make you less appealing, even if they mostly lean toward a different agency you can still get some engagement out of them.

I hope they are good, I don't have many reasons to watch more than Hololive and Nijisanji right now.

>>5327178
>>5328217
I've seen the cyberlive manager interact with maha5 already, so i think she was announced first to get their networking reps in. i like the idea of a friendly western alliance that actively collab, instead of another Niji vs Hololive standoff. I know the JP talents collab with each other but with Hololive's new restrictions I'm not sure how much more will happen on that side of the world.

>>5318966
Which company has done that? As far as I am aware none have but charge you if you leave and want to keep the assets

Pretty sure Cyberlive is a bad rebranding for Yunity, that startup that held first gen auditions and then they all presumably quit right before they were going to post a “big announcement”. I don’t really trust a startup where their talents left before they even debuted.

>>5336788
yikes idk what happened with Yunity but just hearing that doesn't give me any hopes

>>5336788
new management maybe? i don't remember anything about yunity. they weren't even listed under the /asp/ auditions list

>>5336788
come on man post some evidence for that rrat

>>5337235
if you look with your eyes you can see the yunity star logo on manager-san's jacket. but "cyberlive" hasn't posted anything with the same logo in any official promo material. i'm thinking new management or someone bought out yunity after whatever happened with them, if the rrat is to be belived

>>5337235
It’s not that hard. Cyberlive manager has the same logo as yunity. Yunity held auditions and was going to make a big announcement before privating EVERYTHING, and then resurfaced as Cyberlive while holding auditions. The Cyberlive auditions showed off premade models so I have a feeling those models were prepared for the previous talents who quit, but that’s just assumption. The Cyberlive website is basically a copy paste of the original Yunity website too.

>>5337500
>>5337562
So anything juicy about yunity or is it just ghosting?

>>5337500
https://twitter.com/cyberlivecorp/status/1391822849141260290?s=21

they’ve used the logo on their official Twitter as well

>>5337869
Talents quitting on them before debut most likely, if they needed to hold auditions again, but no clue why. Maybe CyberLive manager knows kek

>>5338017
she's opened marshmallows again if anyone wants to break containment

>>5337562
it very well could be them however they did post on the big live2d server selling their assets so that doesn't make sense especially when stuff sold? unless they just sold part

>>5338017
>>5338187
such a new startup selling assets probably means the owner dipped. cyberlive probably just bought out stuff and restarted. if they're giving talents more freedom like they stated on the website i still have hope

>>5338187
any of the assets sold match these silhouettes?

>>5338533
regardless, the talents are going to be different, and it's not their fault if their management drops the ball. worried about their management now, if it is still them, but hopefully the talents are entertaining enough to carry even if theres some scandal internally

>>5339385
trying to find the post right now but since the other two are so basic I only recognize the right, I saw some others bought pop up as Indies after. if the rrat is true then it sucks they didn't get one of the others sold she was cute

>>5326887
A seiso vtuber can still do votes content and merch, outfits etc

>>5320534
I can only speak from the Prism side of things.

For average live viewership of the gen 1 girls are between 30-60, and gen 2 girls are between 50-80.

For subs, Iku and Luto are 18.8k and 17.4k respectively, while Rita, Aoi, Meno are within 500 subs of each other at 6.5k - 7k.

For views, Luto is standout, garnering the most vod views, ranging between 2k-10k. Iku gets about 1.5-2k views per vod, Aoi/Rita get similar views, each around 1k. Meno unfortunately has the least views, with most of her vods hovering around only 300 views.

For SC, there's no real numbers to bring out, since playboard.co isn't able to track sub accounts (all of their youtube accounts are linked to Iku's iirc). But having watched them from the beginning of their monetization, Rita gets by far the most. As far as I can tell from a small group of oil barons, one of which who made 5 alt accounts to SC at least $100 each, and another who SCs at least $500 every week. Luto also has a couple of oil barons, she recently has been getting quite a few double rainbows. Iku/Aoi also have a few dedicated paypigs who in total maybe SC $1000 ish per month to them. Iku also opened membership recently, and with her highest tier being $30/mo she's raking it in too. Meno's also falls behind in this regard, getting the least akas and with some streams donation leaderboard not even filling all 5 slots.

I don't have a twitter, but I hear that most of their twitter game is weak as fuck.

>>5340743
shame about the Chinks.

>>5340743
This is quite accurate. The biggest startups growth, and numbers wise are Prism, Kawaii, and phase imo. Tsunderia gen 1 is doing worse/on par with prism who came out way after then same for kawaii. Phase and Cyber are the newest startups that both also have had high rapid growth. Phase seems to be mainly ads causing this while Cyber has gained traction through their marketing on Twitter

>>5340743
That's the thing about Prism: they don't have many viewers, but a couple of them are fucking minted. Any startup would be lucky to have just one of them

You can't really judge Tsunderia Gen. 1 as a whole because Meru and Kallin started from scratch while Yuuna and Miori brought their own audience with them. It's not unusual for Yuuna to carry 300-400 on her Twitch streams

>>5341052
>>5340953
if phase is any indication, you don't need a preexisting audience to do very well. i know we've only seen 2 debuts but almost all the girls are at or near 2k subs on youtube, with lead girl ashelia at almost 2.5k. cyber's marketing seems better to start so the talents should do very well following debuts if they continue to push

>>5341468
The power of actually shilling yourself. Their live viewers after debuts are going to be more indicative of their actual performance, however. Most talents of all these agencies can hardly even break 100 viewers.

>>5341468
I'm very interested in how many viewers they actually retain. Debuts and graduations always pull in a ton of people, but that doesn't accurately reflect what their averages are/were. With how much they spent on marketing, it isn't surprising a lot of people checked out the debut, but will they come back over time? We'll find out pretty soon

>>5340953
Tsunderia does better as a whole than Prism in terms of live viewership. Phase is hard to evaluate because so much of their sub numbers was brought in ads.

>>5340743
>all of their youtube accounts are linked to Iku's iirc
Wait why would they do this?

>>5342052
I have no idea. I don't see much other purpose than the one time Aoi streamed on Iku's channel as a standin while Iku's internet was down

alright which one of you guys asked this

>>5344504
she seems nice

>>5288013
Hags are clearly superior

>>5337562
>for the previous talents who quit
This doesn't make me feel good about the whole endeavor.

>>5348140
they may not have reached the contract stage. i don't see how they could sell assets if they already assigned them to talents

>>5348140
based off of the asset selling this doesn't appear to be the same company since a lot of things don't make sense for that to be the case

Guys can you not be so skeptical? Like it seems like they have nothing to do at all with the old company. There’s a new Ceo and management. That’s why now things are working out for them. Although not fully supporting them 100% since I failed their audition haha but I wish them good luck.

>>5344504
slugma if you're here, would you actually collab with these guys?

>>5355742
implying Tsunderia is a REAL company anymore

>>5355742
Ask in their thread

>>5355742
send her a marshmallow that or PPP

>>5356864
More real than Cyberlive who's actually following them and literal who indies

shes very obviously responding to questions asked by 4ch from this thread...

>>5364136
who the hell is breaking containment