/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

Imagine they could've just scout talents but they are so fucking incompetent

>>53329240
t. Jealous seething indie. The Kawaii girls from gens 1 and 2 are so talented all you can do is cry.

>>53329511
Kek sorry Nene

Kawaii was the most dominant small corpo in the EN sphere. A tour de force that made Tsunderia and Prism look like chumps. Now we're being compared to garbage like EiEN. What went wrong?

>>53329150
Don't you think it's kind of silly to be trying to anti Eien when the problem has been with their talent and not with the management? Seems like it would get someone good exposure at this point.

Why can't they just invite established friends over like what Prism and PhaCon did? Auditions are a bit archaic in the current scene in EN especially now that most talents with the potential AND willingness are already streaming in some shape or form. Unlike bigger corpos, they can't take risks and rely on auditions.
I always admired Tsunderia's spirit of hiring literal whos with no streaming experience, but they partly because of that.

>>53330015
Probably fans of Gen 3 that are annoyed their girls aren't getting the views that they think they deserve so they lash out at Kawaii (which, ironically, was the reason most those fans even found their oshi)

>>53330183
and who hired those talends? who did those background checks and decided the girls were apt for the company?

current company rankings by trust
1. COVER/HOLOLIVE
..... POWER GAP....
Phase
Idol
.... POWER GAP....
some others
next stage project
eien
Kawaii
vshitshow
.... POWER GAP....
anykara/nijishitji

>>53330183
>problem has been with their talent and not with the management
I hate corpo bootlickers so much.

>>53330015
I don't think you can predict the rise and falls of certain vtubers, and their companies. The algorithm changes and fans change, a minor misstep might get you scot free or it could doom you, and there is no sure way to know. Only thing you can to is "not make mistakes" and hope for the best, and then again even some mistakes aren't entirely your fault.

>>53329150
Hold my beer

>>53330183
holy mother of cope

>>53330183
>management forces her under NDA
>Riifu wants to stream but can't because old contract
>steals her model
>steals all the steam games she bought WITH HER OWN MONEY
Naw senpai. It's management that's the problem.

>>53330557
>idol that high
3 graduations in under a year
>phase that high
Stolen IP (new ip invaders werent as retarded as yuri)
>wactor nowhere in sight even though they are a actual, literal black company that threatens lawsuits, doxxes amd engages in prostituting their talents (alleged)
Bait post

>>53330220
>Kawaii invaders
Would this unironically work?

>>53330015
Idol and Phase Connect are now the top dogs in the small corpo EN scene, and the mass Holo exodus to Kawaii following the debut of Tempus didn't materialize because the outrage was mostly manufactured by shitposters in the first place.
Plus the graduations and drama obviously, it hurts companies going for a curated, high-kayfabe style the most.

>>53330557
>phase above idol
>eien above stablished corpos
>kawaii above anything

>>53330890
>the outrage was mostly manufactured by shitposters in the first place
Wait so you're telling me these unicorns made hundreds of catalog threads and millions of shitposts then went back to watching their holo oshis and never gave kawaii a chance
Reminds me of that one town who bought a lot of food for Area 51 raid Alienstock but no one showed up at the town so they went bankrupt.

>>53330873
>>53330988
i literally just shitposted to get (you)s
i mostly watch holo and indies with a little pippa on the side.

>>53330774

Hi Riifu!

>management forces her under NDA
You signed the NDA. You’re not being forced~
>Riifu wants to stream but can't because old contract
There’s no non-compete. She could’ve streamed still~
>steals her model
Steals her model? Lmaoooo. It’s the fucking corpo’s model. This one is just too funny.
>steals all the steam games she bought WITH HER OWN MONEY
Should’ve read your contract gurl. You’re using a company account. I wonder why you’re the only one with the problem and not the other three? Hmm. If only one person is having issues, then I wonder who’s the actual problem.

>>53331052
Kill yourself phasenigger

>>53330988
>established
WTF does this mean?
Hard mode: you cannot use numberfaggotry

>>53330873
>3 graduations

come on anon, they were 1view at best that didnt want to stream and barely spoke English

>>53331118
as in more than 6 month of history
currently not falling apart is another good metric too if >6 is too many numbers for you

>>53330015
stagnation

>>53331056
>replying to bait
>thinking this is riifu
>can't even keep up the second person
I am afraid it might just be terminal, anon.

>>53331056
>one person
Riifu was the heart and soulcore of EiEN and the star talent. Riffu = 1 and #1
The other 3 together are worth 3/5ths of a person.
Together they are equal to a single negro under Jim Crow.

>>53330890
>>53331053
Yeah both of you are wrong, all the girls who did homocolllabs declined and never recovered.

>Not including idol or phase
Okay shill

>>53331224
idol and phase are falling apart so that statement makes 0 sense

>>53331267
Thanks for your opinion anon but according to human anatomy, Riifu is just one person. Unless.. you’re saying she’s a monster? Makes more sense!

>>53331234
>stagnation
Kawaii had the best 3D of any small corpo ever.
Phase and others had to rely on the dogshit WondersAI. This screen flashed during their 3D concert multiple times

>>53331360
can't talk for phase but Idol is the top dog in indie world right now, chud

>>53331348
>declined
So where did those EN viewers go? They should have gone to Kawaii but they didn't. Did they just suicide?

>>53330015
Nene Amano is there

>>53331360
>Idol is falling apart
QRD? Thought they just got a new gen with ok numbers and no real yabs. He'll, Rin got one of the biggest growths of any EN ever.

>>53331423
3 graduations in under a year, CEO got caught not paying anyone he worked with for months, talents forced to whore themselves with subathons barely a month after debut, Kyoresu already getting ready to go back to her PL

>>53331423
>indie
They are part of a corpo which makes it impossible to be indie.

>>53331423
>idol
>indie
Trolling or retarded? Or the phasenigger falseflagging?

>>53331509
>Blaming Nene again
Nene was in the group when Kawaii was at its peak and she's still here now. How is that any different?

>>53331521
phonefag

>>53330015
They were never dominant, only Nene really got traction before gen 3, and Phase were already way ahead of them by then.

>>53330015
Their most popular talent, Nene, has completely stagnated in numbers for well over an year now, as an ex-cloudtomo it's pretty sad to see, aside from ASMR she can't even get to 200 CCV, and if the most popular girl can't grow then the company can't grow
Also they were hoping the concert would bring many new fans, but it didn't

>>53331537
>>53331570
you know what I meant

>>53331521
What growth? The free 300k subs youtube hands out to anyone spamming shorts? Wouldn't she pass Gura by now? She couldn't even pass Salome

>>53331666
If you meant to make yourself out as a drooling retard you succeeded

>>53330183
>exposure
Your obsession with social media clout has poisoned your zoomer brain.

>male collabs
Why would any pilot with self-respect join them?

>>53330015
Kawaii hasn't been a "massive force" in a very very long time. They've been stagnant and hardly growing for two YEARS now, and the gen 3 exodus is only going to make it worse. It's honestly really sad to see, as the girls they do have are all really talented except you nene you fucking deadbeat hack and deserve way better than what they're getting.

>>53331858
Neither of those do male collabs, you must be confusing them with idol

>>53331666
Small corpos have
>management selling and shipping merch
>including group merch with multiple talents on them like deskmats and clocks
>organizing concerts
>suspending talents for yabs
>making and buying ads
>reaching out for collabs
>recruiting and firing jannies

Smoothbrained Imbecile:
>they're just like indies you guys

>>53329150
Wactorbros...

>>53331858
Kawaii banned 1on1 male collabs and the only possible male collabs are in groups. I don't know if EIEN banned 1on1 male collabs but I've never seen them do one.

>>53331423
Yea they are all falling for the jewish lies

>>53331588
Nene is the one with antis. A combination of bitter gen3 fans and at least one schizo Beryl fan.
Ultimately the gen 3 fiasco fucked the company. The style Kawaii were going for does not mix well with drama at all.

>>53330015
Unironically the jews.
Idol popularized the Ad Blitz (get it because Blitz is what Nazis did) that gigaboosted them from the bottom to the top of the Small Corpo scene.
Prism Gen3 and Riffu asked for ads and got mad when their corpos didn't have infinite jew investor money.

>>53331479
We can only hope.

>>53332198
>infinite money
Where? Pay the fucking people already you shill

>>53332174
>Beryl was part of Kawaii
I didn't know that. It makes me scared to think the rumors are true of her joining Phase Connect.

>>53332198
Prism debuted male vtubers in the post-Luxiem era, I don't think they have a plan

>>53331415
>Kawaii had the best 3D of any small corpo ever
I never heard anything about it. You guys sucks at shilling

>>53331267
>the heart and soul of EiEN is a whore that gets herself fired
Wew lad, great portents for their future.

>>53332307
>they prep the concert for an entire year
>wait until the last 3 days to shill it
>the day their ad campaign starts twitter throttles everything and half dies
Grim

>>53332307
It's true though, the motion capture looked amazing in the concert

>>53330015
nene, you dont give any kind of power to a delusional cunt.

>>53332319
She got her claws in deep to the coomer audience. Their thread is still mostly her fans circlejerking, and she's been gone longer than she was there.

>>53332433
I still have yet to see a single gif.
If this concert is so amazing then where is the footage?
Oh right it never happened. Delusional schizos.

>>53330717
What's really telling about their fans is that Era, Lulu and Meiji all still see new fanart even now

>>53330015
kawaii schizoposts started after idolEN's debut

You want to know more about Kawaii concert?
I got you bro.
Just watch this video made by ugly whore hired by kawaii to make this video
https://twitter.com/luvu2golka/status/1678813797840977957

>>53329150
>If vtubers leave a company that means it is now a black company
I hate it when EOPs find a buzzword and then proceed to devalue it by spamming it all over things they dislike.

>>53332506
There is a reason why you dont see a single webm of it. The concert was shit and they're trying their best to hide it

>>53332594
Every single vtuber could leave those companies and they still wouldn't be black companies for you fucks. You like abusive bosses so much, you must be american or korean

>>53332307
They don't believe in ads
No, I'm not kidding
And this was after the jews proved how effective ads can be

>>53332594
stealth suspensions do smell like black company, idk anon.

>>53332670
Yeah you'd think their shills would be spamming concert clips everywhere, especially after the wonders ai disaster that indies and phase went through. But no. Not a peep. And this supposedly mythological concert is supposed to be Kawaii's pride and joy.

>>53332594
Why would you leave a company that treats you well?

>>53329150
Nene is God's gift to vtubing.

>>53332737
Kson would. She said as much herself.

>>53332470
>She got her claws in deep to the coomer audience
Coomers have no attention span

>>53332784
>sample size: 1 (a known retard)
Thanks for contributing nothing

>>53332737
Have you never had a job? Better opportunity, change in life circumstances, career change all obvious ones.

>>53332822
How many of those apply to ex membersof kawaii?

I want it known I'm not schizo nor am I required to take meds when I say I get the distinct feeling like there are small corpo girls in this thread right now

>>53332822
>better opportunity
dyrbi
the only reason she is in vshojo is because they made that the ultimatum if they wanted to take rushia in

>>53332307
>suck at shilling
Unironically true. The concert should have had a free section available to all on youtube.
I think it was completely paywalled because this was a thing made thanks to and for the fans so using it as promotion wasn't the top priority.
Doesn't make sense but it's a JP corpo, they are retarded.

Pic related is a clip from the concert, it was decently succesful with roughly 100 in the audience and 300 online.

>>53333037
>100 in the audience and 300 online
OOF
That cannot be good in a business sense
They def lost money on this

>>53332858
Being in a vtuber corpo is not for everyone. I know because I am basically that in the real world, corporate jobs make me want to kill myself even if they pay good money. I decided to go back being self-employed and doing my thing.

>>53333037
Even Japanese anime have a 1 min clip of a 12 episodes anime here and there to promote. Why Kawaii can't do the same as clips and shorts is beyond retarded. Maybe the deserve their fate.

>>53333130
Why do you think the thrust the cost onto fans? Milked $117k from whales during their kickstarter.

>>53333037
>this is considered the best 3D of all time by kawaii "fans"
It has to be falseflagging and trolling at this point

>>53333306
> Kawaii anti can't even read

>>53333216
>Playing video games on the internet is hard work
Sure it might be challenging at times but its way easier than any older job.

>>53332896
Nami fat lol

>>53333359
I can read their posts just fine unless you are now claiming this post doesn't exist >>53331415

>>53333360
None of gen 3 ever hold a real job I think. They got annoyed at many aspects of being in kawaii such as having meetings, management, rules, and not enough "talent freedom".

>>53329150
I honestly never saw such a blatant anti campaign against a corpo like it's beeing done to Kawaii right now.
Their only "sin" is that they had some talents graduating. 2 of which were fired for very very good reasons like flirting with doxxing other talents, breaking contract rules and setting up a new persona while still in kawaii, and trying to funnel their viewers to the other account.
Neena that got fired almost talked Nia from Prism into quitting her company just to join her in her whore indie endeavours.
Aruru and Hana both quit for different reasons literally 2 months after they debuted and it was nothing bad. They just figured out that they either cant stick to corpos schedule (Aruru barely streamed at all since then) or Hana that didn't managet to get Kawaii to provide a Japanese visa for her, so she quit.

We still have no clue why gen 3 walked out, but it started after Sava got scammed for 600$ from ordering some Japanese sweets box. I think she wanted the corpo to compensate her for it because she was in Norway running out of money for food, and when they didnt do it, she went on a strike and got other girls to join her.
2 girls didnt even wanna leave at first but they didnt want to stay in a gen where 1 talent was fired and 2 walked out. Aletta cried for a week after the whole drama went down. She clearly wanted to stay. Fans loved her a lot despite 5 faggots on this board saying otherwise.

>Said that 3D was stupid and a gimmick
>Said it only pleases existing fans and never bring in any new fans
>Said he would invest the bare minimum in 3D and results would still be the same
Was he right?

>>53333486
>None of gen 3 ever hold a real job I think.
Huh so they should be looking for people who actually held jobs before then.

>>53333430
>best 3D of any small corpo ever == best 3D of all time
Thanks for your keen analysis.

>>53333430
Not even that anon but you clearly cannot read
>Kawaii had the best 3D of any small corpo ever
and
>the best 3D of all time
are two completely different senteces
but it doesn't matter, you're just some retard with zero arguments other than "lmao it looks like shit because I say so"

>>53333430
> post said best 3d among the small corpo
> somehow it means best of all time

>>53333486
Miryu was still in school and had a ton of stuff to do. Peony got into Kawaii near her exams and that was super stressful for her. On top of that, she was and still is very very sickly so being forced to stick to your job while sick might have been an issue. I mean look at her schedule since she graduated/walked out, its a fucking wasteland.

>>53333216
Corporate jobs have just gotten worse and worse over the years. These days if it's not HR spamming even more mandatory "everyone is racist and sexist and a transphobe bla bla bla" training, it's the corp working meta turning into doing nothing but BS "projects" (that you have to squeeze time in to work on between your 5/day mandatory meetings that exist only to let middle-management feel important) so you have something to write down for your quarterly self-assessments/manager reviews/360 no-scope anonymous co-worker reviews/meaningless "goal" setting. Fucking High School had less micromanagement BS and pointless busywork than corporate jobs do.

>>53333430
yeah Kawaii has the best 3D models out of every small corpo, they commissioned Hololive 3D modelers for some of those. Tracking depends on the devide used, for the concert it was almost flawless because they rented professional equipment.

>>53333530
>She clearly wanted to stay
>Decided to leave
It seems your schizo mindreading theories differ from objective reality.
Aletta wanted to leave and so she left. This is undeniable truth.
The proof that she wanted to leave is that she indeed left.
Truth is self-evident and irrefutable.

The thing I don't get about Kawaii is how do they even have such dedicated antis. Are them just the simps from the girls that left?

>>53333746
Lets see them then
Trust me bro isn't proof of them being good of anything

>>53333642
I mean yea, I am aware that they are young, still in school and never really work. However, you can't really fault the corp neither for operating like a corpo and the girls signed up to join it.

>>53333486
>None of gen 3 ever hold a real job
Same goes for half of idol and most of Phase and most of them are still part of their companies. How is Kawaii different. That is not the differentiating factor it's something else. Next.

>>53333651
I've barely worked 1 day in 5 since everything switched to home working for the coof.
I'm worried if I ever need to get a job that requires me to focus again instead of watching vtubers all day.

>>53333746
>rented professional equipment
They were wearing 3D tracking gear worn by Neil Druckman who rubbed his balls all over it. Nasty

>>53333763
>2 girls didnt even wanna leave at first but they didnt want to stay in a gen where 1 talent was fired and 2 walked out
It's like you can't even read. But god bless. I see that you are one of those faggots on a crusade against kawaii. Keep making bait threads along with Hana schizo and Nene schizo that openly admitted how they will anti Kawaii until the end of days. Mindbroken retards.

>>53333777
probably, not long ago Nene got some really nasty donos from a supposed long time fan so it happens

>>53333964
Shee better not have been impregnated by this.

>>53333777
It doesn't take many schizos to make a lot of noise, particularly in smallcorp land.

>>53333823
Phase ran into its own issues before but the talents simply chose to not burn bridges back then (other than yuri lol). Phase and idol aren't that ambitious on their projects like kawaii and mostly focus on just streaming.

>>53333777
one of the gen3 girls who left was in /wvt/ and had ties to CyberLive, Menace and Chaps in particular, and Yuko from Idol. It' pretty easy anti on /vt/, a couple of /here/sisters with nothing better to do is all you need.

>>53333651
Skill issue. Change your work to small non-listed company or start-up.
>you have something to write down for your quarterly self-assessments/manager reviews/360 no-scope anonymous co-worker reviews/meaningless "goal" setting
Unless you work in operation, there shouldn't be any problems with filling the form. All the things you mentioned and more are just tools, you can use them in good and bad ways.

>>53333777
no males policy makes delusional schizos think the girls belong to them

>>53330988
Sorry let's just change Eien to Killia than it's fine

>>53333777
There is one guy that was a fan of Hana/Beryl.
Hana left on good terms and no one was trash talking her. After ALL of the girls vods that quit or got fired got removed from the company's channels, he literally got mindbroken and accused Nene of doing it, when Nene doesn' even have the power to delete someones vods.

The other butthurt fan was Nene's former 1+ year long member that already made a bunch of bait threads. I think he is the one that sent threatening messages to Nene through streamlabs, but pretended to be several different people, and then started being "nice" under his main chat name, which outted him as a complete retard because Nene can see the history of all those names donating from the same card LOL. Now he is even more butthurt that he got exposed for being stupid.

>>53334067
>aren't that ambitious on their projects like kawaii and mostly focus on just streaming
Why is Kawaii so ambitious with their projects anyway?
Why do they sacrifice everything for 3D?
Why can't they take their time and grow slowly instead of betting everything on 1 show?

>>53333900
Yeah, I'm in that spot now that I'm looking for a new job. Work from home was a blessed relief from the worst of corporate jobbing while it lasted but now they're pretty much all desperate to get people back into the office so they can get back to annoying everyone to death.

>>53333392
Yeah, her tits in particular
I'm on to you

>>53333547
100% justified for PC case. High-quality models, rigging and other props for streamers are already expensive. 3D has miniscule ROI unless you have it fully integrated, only major corpos can afford this.

>>53334191
Because 3d is fun and it's the dream of many vtubers and it provides unique experience for fans for both stream and concert, even if it doesn't make the best profit or w/e. Merch for small corpo also don't typically have much profit margin or sometimes net a small loss as well. Should that be gone too? Do you prefer just having the same general content and chasing FOTM?

>>53334311
Then why did Kawaii, a minor corpo, even bother to have 3D. Was it worth the graduations of 3rd gen and several other members?
Maybe if they abandoned 3D and bothered taking care of their own, they wouldn't have suffered so much.

>>53329150
Is Eien even a black company? It kinda just feels like a dumb company most of the time.

>>53334311
>only major corpos can afford this.
There are many Jp small corps that have 3d available, so it just isnt limited to the big ones only.

>>53334554
Pretty sure they crowdfunded like 100k for it.

>>53333360
I guess they thought their job was going to be just playing videogames on stream like they did when they were indies, the only problem is that Vtuber agencies are closer to real jobs because you have deadlines, meetings, projects and so on. Some people hate that setting and If you value complete freedom, no matter how good a company treats you, going solo will always be the more compelling option. Now, the real question is why apply in the first place to a company. Maybe they just didn't know it wasn't for them at the time. I know that was my case in the real world.

>>53334707
They crowdfunded more but were forced to refund because of gen3 graduating (gen3 brought in more money than the other 2 combined)

>>53334493
>chasing FOTM is bad
>chasing 3D is good
They were greedy bitches who don't know their place and LARP as a big corpo. They overextended their reach into a concert that attracted zero new fans and that they now hide the footage from the world. They could have built a strong money base and get a few consistent 4views and some 3views before starting a concert but they needed it NOW NOW NOW! Then again I don't expect women to have any concept of long-term planning. It was too soon.

>>53334647
stealth suspensions and throwing former talents under the bus are the only things coming to mind.

>>53334707
>crowdfunded like 100k
They should have never milked their paypigs this hard. No wonder donos dried up. Who would bother after pouring funds into a 1-time project like that.

>>53334831
Gen3 didn't even exist during the kickstarter.
They refunded because of Neena who was a prior gen2 graduation.

>>53333823
*every* generation of phase has a workaholic or two. Workaholics in this context are someone who routine work 60+ hours each week. They actively keep an eye on all talents along with managers and try to support less productive members.
Essentially, PC is looking for motivated people first and foremost. My rrat that's one of the main reasons Yuri was terminated, while Lia was given like 2 second chances.
My point, you don't need corpo experience in this case.

>>53334831
Gen3 didn't bring any money for the concert. They didn't even exist when it was funded.

>>53334647
1-month stealth suspension doesn't look like a black company to you? Because it is.
https://twitter.com/SkyeShinryu/status/1675987297215365121
>>53334878
It's amazing how dictatorial small corpos can be when holo and even niji would let it slide. Little Napoleons these types are all of them.

>>53333547
>>53334554
Because the Kawaii CEO creates Kawaii as a vtuber (hololive) fan and just want to run his own vtuber idol corpo. He's not a businessman just jumping in the scene for a quick buck, even if he wants corpo to be somewhat sustainable. He's an idolfag so he cares about pleasing existing fans and elevating the idol scene in the west. Such small vtuber corpo practice is actually much more common in the jp scene as well.
The left over girls in Kawaii do seem to enjoy the idol project, even if it put extra work on them. It gave them a unique purpose. Less than half of those girls were actual idolfags as well initially, the ones that weren't idolfags still gain some satisfaction from being able to perform on stage. Many of them explicitly said they weren't enjoy numberfagging and meta-chasing practice to grow even if it's the necessity evil. I guess some of the girls' aversion to meta and algo chasing practice and the CEO's aversion to spending a lot of money on ads kinda balance each other out so both sides not force the issue too much on the others.

>>53334907
They’re the GFE corpo, the territory comes with plenty of lonely oil barons looking to feel something resembling the love of a woman. If any small corpo was able to pull this off, it’d be kawaii

>>53335078
Is there any proof this is a stealth suspension and not just a hiatus?

>>53335065
>every gen has a spy among the talents who snitch to management
This is what Kawaii should have done desu. Then gen 3 wouldn't have been able to rebel.

>>53335078
We know for a fact that eien stealth suspended riifu. We don't know for a fact that Skye's current break is a stealth suspension (although the precedent is there of course)

>>53330557
>phase
Fishman literally stole yuuri's IP and fucked her over. They're definitely less trustworthy than eien

>>53335271
Oceane…

>>53329150
I love both of those chuubas like you wouldn't believe

>>53335270
Mucho texto of that tweet is all the proof (you) need.

Nene is a bitch and eien is nothing but disgusting whores

>>53335308
>Sign contract and sell your IP rights
>Violate your contract
>Get fired despite company trying to work with you
RRREEEEEEEEEEEEEE HE STOLE HER MDOEL AND IP

>>53334771
Indie now chase small corpo for debut buff and number
And some small corpo also chase and accelerate debut for debut buff and number and invest everything to new debut (not don't give a shit about their older gen lol)
The small corpo scene in the West had boom in number but imo had stagnated in quality. Kawaii is the only corpo to push limit with 3d and concert/project. There's a possibly of Prism even making a come back (even though they alsp accelerated themselves with male gen lmao) as their music project is finally being kicked into gear again.

I think the thread peaked with this post >>53335128
Kawaii's CEO being a genuine idolfag means there is no way he can compete with actual businessmen who knows how to run businesses and have connections and money. It's an active detriment that border on ignorance to have a corpo who's CEO lacks even the fundamentals of doing business.

As for EiEN, that means their CEO is a genuine whore.

>>53335932
Only a total faggot would force his contractors to sign away their IP rights. Fishman literally was just taking advantage of a dumb zoomer girl. Even Vshitshow is better than this.
Their was no valid reason for taking her IP in the first place.

>>53335271
I said before that Kawaii should have a nepotism hire hag or 2 in the new gen to keep the rest in line. It works for Hololive jp, it will work again

>>53335128
You know why I can call everything you said, is bullshit? Because he refuses to invest in the girls, aside from Nene. He doesn't provide them outfits, or assets, or help with editing, or promoting them or... anything. Maybe a skeb budget.
Everything else from the 50% cut he takes that doesn't go to the two managers on payroll, he pockets.

>>53336055
True, but it also turns the vtuber scene into soulless business venture, just like nijisanji.
Why should I, as a fan, put the company's number above the contents that are available to me? Does my enjoyment of a vtuber suddenly increase if her ccv increase?

>>53336055
sister, do you actually love big corpo capitalism?
Do you want another soulless jew in a suit minmaxing everything?

>>53336239
Apparently 2/3rds of Nene';s audience thinks the same as they vanish whenever she does a stream that is not ASMR

>>53336325
>Seeing vtubers make it big is bad
>They should stagnate into irrelevance instead until they grow old and die
Be real.

>>53336325
As long as they're not taking advantage of my oshi and can make my oshi live a comfortable life, corpos aren't a bad thing.

Unfortunately, black companies like Kawaii, take advantage of the girls while keeping them poor or relying on another job. They would be better off as indies most of the time.

>>53336239
A vtuber corpo has a duty and responsibility to grow, maintain and support their talents. To do whatever it takes.
Otherwise be a streaming group of friends who hang out and collab.

>>53334186
>Nene doesn' even have the power to delete someones vods.
DYRB? Nene IS Kawaii. Once she saw that fanart and sperged out about how Hana should never be brought up ever again, it was game over.

>>53336214
Because many of those aspects are the vtuber job's? Setting up stream, editing, etc,. Even im big corpo like Holo/Niji, the vtubers themselves had or are still doing many of those work. Do you think that Holo/Niji has company provided servants at their home to set up streams for them? Nene's outfit was made through a set reward on her number. Nene also was responsible for growing her own number to get the outfit. Later on, kawaii put in a point system for the girls to earn the outfit other ways beside just number as well and we'll see more outfits for all of the girls in the future. Beside from not enough ads (which is a relatively new things), Kawaii management had run many projects and merch just fine, especially for standard for small corpo. Do you know how many small corpo crashed because of delayed projects, delayed promised outfits, and delay (or lack of) merch? The only flaw of Kawaii was the stall in ads, but even then now they start doing ads
However, spending on ads isn't always successful. Idol wasn't the even first corpo to run ads. It's still an investment and the money spent on ads and promotion means cutting corner somewhere else.

>>53335065
>>53336828
I used to think this was a schizo rrat but then I saw this screenshot of a Kawaii meeting call and guess who's running it. Nene.
Their CEO doesn't even care to be there.

>>53329150
Kiki eien BF

>>53336420
Seeing vtubers do what they like to do is good. If making it big is their goal sure, do that, but there are people who really don't care abou numbers and just want to coast doing their thing.
The amount of vtubers having a meltdowns on twitter over numbers and quitting, multiple times even, tells me that "making it big" is probably the worst thing one could set out to do as a vtuber.

>>53336994
Idol did ads about 12hr and 24hr donation streams that were live at the same time the ads were running.
Tsunderia and Phase did stupid bullshit like ads for music videos where people who bother to click watch the music video and X out without developing a parasocial interaction to the talent unlike Idol you click their ads and end up in a stream where the cute girl talks to you. Hooked.

>>53336055
>Kawaii's CEO being a genuine idolfag means there is no way he can compete with actual businessmen who knows how to run businesses

He...he doesn't know who Koshita's father is. Maybe he is not super dedicated when it comes to his vtubing company, but that little nig' is already a millionaire.

>>53336994
>points system
>2 years on
>no rewards
lmao

>>53337014
That's a talent meeting. Staff is not even there. KAolin is not there, Furi is not there, Benji is not there, CEO Koshita is not there.
This is one of the most retarded "proofs" that Nene is in charge. LOL
Thank god we have antis this fucking retarded.

>>53337203
They introduced that point system not even 7-8 months ago.
Keep seething faggot.

>>53337172
He's a millionaire who is addicted to Love Live and Noel's giant tits. That's how he ended up making kawaii. Idk why he made an EN corpo though. Maybe he's a Westaboo or some shit as well.

>>53337324
And that's why every vtuber model in kawaii has big tit.

>>53337154
This is why gen3 quit. They saw Kawaii squandering momentum and talent on "doing my own thing xD girlboss time" and saw it as being unprofessional.

Sure if you are a filthy hedonist then do anything you want. Fuck around and find out.
but as humans it is our duty to grow and sometimes that means delaying instant gratification to be responsible
sacrificing everything for 3D was irresponsible reckless woman behavior and a mistake

>>53337380
So they would do well if they had lolis?
Maybe cunny really is the solution to Kawaii's problems.

>>53337416
the buddies (ex gen3) are barely streaming as indies bro... if anyone is coasting, doing their own thing, it's them... Elia went on a fucking trip to Japan lmao

>>53337416
Wow are you another threadreader? One of the major issues that the girls from gen 3 had was "burnout". This was combined with a lot of their IRL activities so it's on them for joining a corpo in the first place when they barely have time for their daily activities.
Also
>They saw kawaii squandering momentum
So they quit, and because they are so professional, only Aletta/Elira and Miryu/Spica still streams frequently and the rest is just in shambles. Oceane is nowhere to be seen, Sava streams once in a blue moon and Peony always has a ton of IRL issues mostly related to her health.

>>53337416
Some people value number and some value contents and novelty. I'm sorry that you can't enjoy your oshi having a 3d model, doing 3d stream, and performing 3d live anon. Maybe you'll get her do her singing and dancing rep then put on a performance for you one day. For now, you can just enjoy seeing her number goes up and her not even responding to your chat anymore as she got some new paypigs. You must be so proud of her
It's funny that in Niji, vtubers are grinding number just to be in queue for 3D. Maybe they should change it to grinding number for ads privilege instead.

>>53336994
Various small corpos have editors on payroll to help the girls focus on producing content. You're comparing Holo/Niji to Kawaii when it's not even close, because at least they pay for group covers and outfits. Neither the volume of sales they achieve nor does the amount of audience they have justify the business model they have. The only investment he made was... the 3D concert? That wasn't public and nobody outside of Kawaii knows? God, what a stupid fucking corpo.

Their first priority should be to grow, but they seem comfortable sucking you and that rest of the faggots in /pkg/ dry of your time and money with no results or improvement for the girls.

>>53337313
Is that how you justify them not getting ANYTHING for TWO YEARS despite taking a 50% cut of all their donations, and probably an even bigger cut of their merch sales? Black company through and through.

No wonder half the corpo left.

>>53337801
Kawaii do pay some editor and clip maker. They had a request for it a while ago.

>>53337801
With how obsessed you seem to be with kawaii, I'm surprised you don't know about their merch profits when Charlotte has already talked about it

>>53337626
>going on vacation during summer is le bad
I see the problem now. You're poor.
IDK about the others but Mozu is making bank. Look at her merch
and they all had a collab last week
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ukaZubqGzU

>>53337416
look at the /same/ thread. It's a wasteland because no one is streaming and the only one who actually does something is the girl who clearly missed streaming as an indie with no management to deal with.

The rest has no plan, they even had to delay their debut with a proper model (founded by paypigs too) because issues with rigging.

>>53337798
>Talking about nijisanji out of the blue
How bad does it have to be when Nijisanji lives in your head rent free?

>>53337801
You sound like another indie sister that signs a contract that clearly says what are you getting out of it, and then still complains that you need to give 50% to a corpo.
I have an easy solution for you, DONT FUCKING JOIN CORPOS THEN YOU FUCKING RETARDED WHORES! YOU JOIN CORPOS ONLY TO STAY THERE FOR 3-4 MONTHS AND THEN START CRYING ABOUT HOW COMPANIES CUT IS TOO BIG WHEN YOU READ THE FUCKING CONTRACT!

>>53337962
Did I miss something or did Charzu quit her job?

Whatever the profits are, it's not enough to justify whoring yourself out for the >50% cut they take.

>>53337733
Oceane is by far the most active of the former Gen 3 girls

>>53338061
I'm just pointing out that having 3d is a bigger deal and privilege for many vtubers than you think.

>>53337801
This thread has done more to advertise Kawaii and their concert than anything management has done all year. A good number of vtuber fans never even knew about the concert before browsing this thread.

>>53337801
>Their first priority should be to grow
b-but if they grow they will leave me and my fellow discord groomers behind nooooo small corpo bros noooo they need to stay small so we can groooom them oh god I'm groooooming I'm groooooooming.

>>53337964
>you are poor
Elia is going to Japan with her donothon money. She literally complained a few months ago that she has to choose between FOOD and HEATING during the winter. Now all of a sudden she is rich enough to afford Japan trips?
Btw nice image you most generic nerd ever. You people are being pumped out of a factory somewhere I'm pretty sure. Cookie cutter basic bitch tastes.

>>53337964
her merch is cheap shit and they even fucked up some of her orders, resulting in fans not receiving what they paid for.
But we don't talk about that.

>>53338064
>still butthurt over gen3
Imagine a whole gen quits and you blame them instead of management.Bootlickers aren't even human.

>>53338126
They were shilling it at offkai. I don't think that there were any threads about their concert here aside from the bait threads but kek if you really think that /vt/ matters.

>>53338125
>privilege
Yes it is a privilege like owning a Mercedes or a Porsche is a privilege. Taking out 10 thousand loans and begging all your sugar daddies to buy a Porsche is not glamorous at all. It is a disgrace. Better to buy a car you can afford. Same with overpriced vanity 3D models.
They don't need those things. They are fine without them it is an albatross around their necks and you are enabling it.

>>53338064
The problem isn't the cut, Nene, it's how much you get in return.

Odds are, most of the girls saw no benefit upon joining compared to when they were indie.

>>53338309
because they showed how unremarkable they actually are as indies. The only one who actually cares fucked off to Japan, the one who's actually talented doesn't care about making it big.

>>53338309
Its kind of a lose lose situation anyways no matter what you argue. Either gen 3 all graduated because kawaii bad, or the entire gen was trash, which makes you wonder how they got hired by kawaii in the first place. Either they’re malicious or incompetent.

Pipkin said Kawaii is good and powerful
That's how I know it's bad.

>>53338309
>Bootlickers
I just hate zoomers that think everything should be handed to them on a plate. I hate whores that never worked a day in their lives, joining corpos and then turning into little marxists after a few months.
If the company completely fucked them over by saying one thing in the contract and then doing the complete opposite, then I understand, but in any other case whores like that can go fuck themselves.
And I'm not talking only about gen3 here but in general and not defending Kawaii but any business ever that has to deal with entitled zoomers like that.

>>53338430
> Kawaii goal
> get big donor, invest in 3d and give back to fans in form of 3d stream and a nice 3d live concert
> what you think vtuber goal should be
> get big donor, spend it on ads to MAYBE get a better number (especially during a donothon lol)
> end goal is to allow the vtuber to quit their day job

>>53338798
>a company shouldn't provide resources for you to do your job
>if you do need resources, get fucked, we're on a tight budget and the CEO needs a new porsche
>and if you're not happy, you should put up with it because you should be grateful we gave you a model, even though you don't actually own it or its IP
>(said model is a requirement to help the company make money in the first place)
>this company is like a family after all and anyone who leaves is a traitorous and useless whore
You sound like a fucking moron. Or you're Nene Amano (pic related).

>>53329150
If Wactor can still find people willing to join them after literally not paying their employees and openly doxing one, literally any other company can find people.

>>53338674
The only good one was Miryu, the vsinger. Some may argue Oceane for the same reason but she was a massive normalfag, capeshit and uncle roger tier.

Aletta was whatever, her only quality was being a workhorse smart in the ways of the algo and draining money out of parasocials (in denial). Given she was able to panhandle for 70k dollars, it's probably all you need to make a living. For anything else you need real talent.

Sava was retarded and failed on the basic "just fucking stream" point. That problem hasn't gone away as her current indie persona so it's safe to say she is just massively unreliable. Probably going to die in a couple of years due to her constantly neglecting her own health "for the lulz".

Peony was hard carried by her model, she had trash audio and took like 6 months to develop a personality. Fake ASMR rp videos are saving her channel now, with that abortion of a temp model even fucking AI art is better to have on screen.

>>53339296
>this company is like a family after all and anyone who leaves is a traitorous and useless whore
There are 7 girls that are in the company for 2 years. Lua and Nene are both familiar with the Japanese working culture and had no issues with the company. Charzu, a workaholic has no issues with the company (personally she is my gauge to see if the company is shit or not because she would have walked out a long time ago if something was really rotten). Reina works 3 jobs + streams and still somehow thinks sticking to Kawaii is worth it.
You sound like a mindbroken anti doing crazy mental gymnastics just to justify how every company is LE EVIL!
Little wannabe marxist faggots. Let me guess, you are probably from the west coast, right?

>>53331479
Do you know how easy it is to not watch VTubers?

If you only watch one VTuber and you drop them boom you're gone and didn't "go anywhere"

i cant follow these threads ffs. I watch a couple small corpos like shiki, sara, rin and yuna, but i cannot retain wich corporation is wich, is this autismo or something?

>>53339703
>all my talents having to overwork themselves to survive is a good thing!
Fuck off Nene. Go suck off the CEO again or something.

>>53339691
Oceane was good fap material

>>53339853
go to sleep Sava, you have a stream to... oh wait

>>53339703
No, you don't understand. These girls are being forced to keep working in terrible conditions against their will.

>>53337964
>Mozu is making bank
>Look at her merch
I take you don't watch her
how much profit you think she gets from the $35 that piece you posted costs?

>>53339981
You're right, they are forcing themselves due to the expectations of the coworkers and fans. The ones who left are the smart ones.

>>53340104
100% of the profit kek, no cuts for zero benefit required

>>53330015
they fired their 2nd highest viewed chuuba for bunch of ungrateful whores that just quit 2 months later anyway.

>>53340199
anon you know things cost money to produce, right

>>53340262
Anon, you know the difference between profit and revenue, right?

>>53339938
She has like 3 streams scheduled right now though.

>>53340104
it's some cheap shit so she probably gets like 5 bucks for each unit sold. Not too bad until the dumb company fucks up an order (it happened already)

>>53340337
we don't talk about the last two weeks of no almost streams. It's just her vtweeter arc, so quirky!

>>53340422
Her job and life comes first, isn't it wonderful? No required streams on top of your job that require you to sacrifice your free time.

>>53332198
You’re so funny for saying Riifu asked for ads when they did put out ads and sponsorships for debut.

>>53340767
>ads and sponsorships for debut
Your supposed to do ads for debut and for donothon you retard. No wonder riifu quit. EiEN is doomed with dumb fans like you.

>>53338798
>>53339703
>marx
Why are you talking about marx our of nowhere? Rent fucking free. Economic theories of 200 years ago are irrelevant today just like Kawaii is irrelevant today lol. Maybe actually use your brain to make arguments instead of labelling everyone you disagree with a slur.

>>53340539
What job? She is a fucking NEET "digital artist" who rigs vtuber models for herself and her friends for 1hour a day at best. Unless you are Coqui, then you get scammed I guess. Then she just shitposts and twitter or menheraposts on members. She should quit and go full vtweeter.

>>53341084
Damn, she's a bigger bum of a freelance "artist" than Nami lol and Nami fat

>>53341084
this reads like sava fishing for reasurance
go to sleep retard, you actually do have a stream tomorrow

>>53329150
Beats having no one watching you, nor a group of vtubers friends to bounce off. You have no idea how hard is to get 50+ people to watch you and on average small corpos seems to deliver on that regard.

>>53341491
it's going to get delayed by some bullshit and you know it

>>53330890
>the mass Holo exodus
There was a drip for sure, ALL small corpos had a slight increase after Tempus debut. Problem with Kawaii is that they got fucked on a crucial period by Oceanne and later the walk out.

>>53340323
do (You)?

>the only people who will apply are 1views like >>53341524 who feel lonely
sad

>>53341764
>Kawaii got fucked
Maybe if everyone is walking out on Kawaii then Kawaii is the problem.

>>53344287
Holy retard, no wonder you support Kawaii. You deserve to get your money scammed for the CEO's porsche.

>>53344473
I mean, some like Oceane and Aletta went from nobodies in their PL to pretty big vtubers thanks to Kawaii boosting their initial numbers so you have the possibility to grow if you play your cards correctly
Unfortunately that possibility might also turn you into a backstabbing whore so there is that

It's still hilarious to me how Eri looked over at the Zaion situation that had literally just finished happening and was like "yes that is exactly how you treat a talent that has issues with management".
And then she proceed to not only lose her top talent, but also created her soon to be biggest competitor. A real Dreamworks vs Disney situation might be brewing.

>>53345069
Is Riifu gathering up a bunch of sluttubers now or something?

>>53345358
keep your eyes open for an en avtubing agency in 2024

>>53345419
Indian is more likely to become a superpower by 2024 than Riifu getting her shit together and making an actual corpo (not just a group of friends but a real corpo)

>>53345419
This rrat sounds retarded, but a 2-3view corpo drama war also sounds really funny

>>53345069
>Dreamworks vs Disney situation
Except instead of animation studios, its animated whores

>>53345824
It's not a rrat she has tweeted about it on her onlyfans twitter account. Multiple times about what she is doing to make this company.

>>53345919
how are you this retarded

>>53345069
The Zaion situation is nowhere near the same as this. Riifu went against mgmt multiple times and they still tried to find solutions to work it out in the end but what did Riifu do? Just one day dip out. So much for wanting to support her genmates.

This thread reeks of shilling whores.

>>53346886
>mischaracterize your former talent to assassinate her character
>conjure up as many allegations as possible
>they turn out to have more holes in them than swiss cheese
idk retard feels pretty similar to me

>>53346886
Riifu had the funds to be able to afford a lawyer and get out of her contract. Zaion didn’t have that luxury at the time. Also I think they’re mostly talking about how the statement blatantly makes things up about Riifu’s character and mindset regarding content creation that simply aren’t true.
Riifu still continues to express nothing but love and well wishes for her genmates in both private and public places, but felt that her physical and mental health come first.
It’s unfortunate what happened but it’s a two way street, the blame lies with Riifu and management for the way the situation went down. Unless both sides release the full receipts and details of what happened, they both hold the same level of credibility.

>>53339703
If Charzu is a workaholic she's obviously a terrible metric for whether a company is worth staying with. She's already voluntarily abusing herself for the benefit of corporations, why in the world would you trust her assessment on a positive work environment? Oh yeah, because she "complains" about management while still subjecting herself to it constantly. Real solid barometer.

>>53344591
>>53347781
t. zoomers that never worked a day in their lives.
shut the fuck up.
vtw in this very thread, you retards brought up how kawaii girls dont stream enough and are unprofessional, so gen 3 decided to wslk out becuse they took this job more seriously and then at the same time accusing them of being overworked by a corpo that doesnt give them enough.
it was said before and ill say it again, thank god kawaii has such stupid antis.

I like seeing how easy it is for women to manipulate men.
Gen 3, the newcomers, arrive and demands things, don't get what they want, decide to group together to have more power but it backfired, and because it was a group of women who did that it obviously meant they were clearly the victims.
It's like people haven't learned anything over the last decade on how easy it is for women to play victim. If only we could see the things they did after leaving

>>53348264
>I like seeing how easy it is for women to manipulate men.
Why yes it is Nene and her sycophants who manipulated (you)
This is a woman v. woman civil war. You aren't scoring any brownie points for accusing the other side of being women when your side has more women. 7 women (+management) vs 4 women. Your side has more women and therefore more deception.

I remember when vshojo was praised up to high heavens for how well it treats its talents, and yet. half of them walked out, with Silver shit talking her former corpo that literally put her on a map, otherwise she would be a 2view at best.
People immediatelly jump on her side and start calling vshojo a black corpo.
LMAO That is just one example of how retarded the faggy anti corpo sisters are. Somehow, they think that corpo should let them earn money + give them free stuff + provide all kinds of opportunities. etc. but DON'T EVEN FUCKING DARE to take a cut from their profits.
Kek a bunch of brainless zoomers have no idea how business works. Entitled retards and whores all around.

>>53348643
>defending vwhoreshow
How low can one man go

>>53348462
LOOOOOOOL
>MUH NENE
Mindbroken schizo seething at Nene after he got found out that he sent hate messages through streamlabs. Let me guess, you are behind 90% of these threads?
And btw, how does Nene or any other vtuber "manipulate" you to do anything? You watch the content. if you like it, you drop a supa, if not, no one is forcing you and you can just chill and watch the free content.
Btw if Nene is manipulative. wtf was Aletta doing then? Crying about her life every other stream and how she was being bullied. and as soon as the donothon ended she decided to leave. LMAO That is some turbo whorish grifting.

>>53348462
>>53348948
>My whore is good and your whore is bad
>NO! Your whore is bad and my whore is good
This is why I don't watch anything outside of Hololive. It ain't worth it bros.

>>53348837
I'm not defending vshojo but pointing out how one corpo that was always almost
universally praised for how it treats its talents, got onto the shitlist of the community as soon as Silver walked out. You don't have to like those girls at all, but the fact is that Vshojo was always advertised as a super progressive corpo that should be a shining example to everyone else. And yet, here we are...

>>53348264
>I like seeing how easy it is for women to manipulate men.
Pretty much. Never believe women.

>>53349134
/vt/ outside the vshojo general has always unanimously agreed that vshojo is bad.
Maybe you should stop getting your opinions from easily duped fools on discord, reddit and twitter.

>>53348462
You remind me of the twitter folks that play victim when you decide to enter a group and the group doesn't bend to your demands. The same thing happened with gen 3.
>>53349082
It's not even that entirely. It's more like
>I like MY whore the way she is and I don't want new whores trying to change MY whore
It would be like holo hiring girls who don't like idols and upon getting hired, demand changes. Then when they don't get what they want they decide to quit and people side with them because they're women.
>>53349206
Exactly, they have tons of reasons to lie and they know how powerful they are just for being women.

>>53349542
You are mistaking the whorish reputation of the girls with how company actually treated its talents. I cant believe that I have to explain this twice. You literally have dogshit for brains.

>>53349702
Board regulars knew for a long time that vshojo acted badly behind the scenes and that talents would gang up or throw each other under the bus. Froot vs Silver and the company siding with froot was going on for a long time and everyone knew except casuals like you who were the last to find out after it was already over.

>>53350131
Terrible cope. Their personal relationships had nothing to do with the fact that the company gave them a lot of opportunities. No one ever said Oh Froot and Silver dont get along, lets NOT have a huge campaign and a 3D concert in Japan (for example). But again, it's like talking to a fucking brick wall in here.

>>53330557
actually a based opinion for once, cheers for not falling for catalogshitting bud

A corpo vtuber will literally get offered a 3 billion to retire from content creation and mfs will call the company she retired from a “black company” because she left in the first place

>>53329150
The only thing EIEN did wrong was lose their only talent that streamed at NA hours, because she's a schizo mess. Well, the statement they put out a month later wasn't a good look for them either. Oh, and having a Discord server for fans to share with talents was a huge fucking mistake, not a single good thing has come from that. But none of these things are really malicious, Eri is just dumb and incapable of learning from the numerous mistakes of those who went before her.

>>53353738
Blaming discord is like violence on video games. Issues existed before talents and fans interacted on discord.

>>53333037
Showing up in-person cost $100 plus tax and fees, an absolutely insane price considering their talents average something like 80ccv. Hololive charged less

>>53353738
What statement? Are you talking about the graduation statement they put out when she left or something else?
>>53355086
proof?

Phase won

>>53357309
>beats all other small corpos so that Idol can swoop in and take cripple-cripple gold
Nice "victory" LMAO

>>53334128
Louder.
LOUDER!

>>53335271
Now that is fucking low and black.

>>53357309
Phase is nothing without Pippa. That's a problem.

>>53358093
Pretty sure most of Phase still averages higher viewership than Kawaii, and most small corpos for that matter.

>>53329150
eien "black company", only if you can't read.

idol won

>>53332253
This image is edited, Jewman sent payment the same day after that second reply. Still shitty to leave them hanging that long.
>>53332174
I still dont get how an entire generation leaves at once, was it really that bad or was gen 3 as a whole just an Enna-tier clique?

>>53358895
Idol is lucky to have Rin otherwise Yuko would be the face of the company and they'd have the same problem as Phase with a schizo /here/ pickme as the flagship making everything menhera.

>>53359211
Bold of you to assume idol isn't menhera, sure it's not as evident as in phase but being a vtuber and menhera goes hand in hand

>>53359375
Yes but Rin is not blatantly /here/ like Yuko who got caught making her own fetish thread.

>>53337733
>Oceane is nowhere to be seen
He doesn't know lmao

>>53358747
No where in any contract on earth does it say management will suspend a talent if she streams too much.
>Sorry you are too good we need to punish you so the 3 others can feel better about being lazy useless fuckalls.
The rest of the gen couldn't take Riifu being better so they turned Eri against her. Simple as.

>>53359416
Proof?

>>53359211
>>53359416
So true sister we need a redditchuuba who understands trans struggles like being obsessed with blahajes instead kakejekejsndnewf

>>53359416
Lia streams to same CCV as Yuko despite having a quarter of the subs.
Grim.

>>53359637
>view tweet analytics
>>47808025
https://archive.palanq.win/vt/thread/47808025/

>>53330015
Delusional. Kawaii is literally solely held up Nene after Oceane and Aletta left. All the other girls stagnated or are declining.

Real small EN hierarchy
1. Phase connect - Mental ward harem
2. Kawaii - Ran by a zoomer marketingfag jap who is terrible at getting real talent onboard.
3. PRISM - Dying
4. Tsunderia - Died because their talents were mediocre (Kawaii's current state)

>>53329150
>If half of your corpo graduates, you should just quit
Literally more than half of Kawaii's total streamers have graduated.

>>53330717
>they had a guy named lmaoshan
no wonder he got retired

>>53359934
Hana, Oceane, and Aletta were real talents that weren't you standard EN vwhore. Unfortunately, his company can't keep them onboard, as the thread so plainly explains.

>>53360128
Oceane was backstabbed by Aletta and her mean girls clique.

>>53359773
In Yuko's defense Gura did come back (who knows how long that will last) so of course her audience would return to the real deal.
A vtuber's audience can either be whales and loyal
loyal and well-behaved
or whales and well-behaved
but they cannot be all three
and Yuko's audience are badly behaved and loyal to gura

>>53338047
serves them right!
rot in hell, whores!

>>53359940

Rest in piss Lmao chan.
No laughter allowed.

>>53330183
>management not the problem when they let power hungry mods run rampant and ban loyal supporters unjustly
*yawn*

>>53331479
They went to Fauna, she experienced a huge uptick in viewers when the homocollabers lost a shitload.

>>53333130
>They def lost money on this
they made it with kickstarter money from the fans, more reason why it should've been free

This is why I'm a holofag. As retarded as Cover can be, alternatives are unbearably bad.

>>53359934
>3. PRISM - Dying
>4. Tsunderia - Died because their talents were mediocre
holy delusion

>>53330557
>hololive at the top for trust after multiple male gens and complete neglect of their EN branch
Good one anon

>>53363669
>complete neglect of their EN branch
They just had a dedicated concert just for EN branch, anonchama.

>>53363669
Yes, top trusted despite your incel seethe.

>>53334907
Don't forget the guy who sold his dad's car to donate and then actually cried about it to the girl

>>53332896
Meds

>>53363958
> despite your incel seethe
So true sister! Let's not forget that launching 2 male gens just to attempt to replicate luxiems success almost killed the entire EN branch.
Hololive can never be trusted because if a new dogshit trend appears, they will try to copy it for profit regardless of what their fans think about it. Even shitty redditors on r/hololive complained when hololive banned all girls from streaming during tempus 2 debuts, and they still failed miserably no matter what bettels numbers say. Thats only one guy out of 2 whole gens of males. Its fucking pathetic.

>>53364017
qrd?

>>53368853
Its one of her super fans basically. Dad gave him his old hunk of shit car and he sold it for a few grand to contribute to the kickstarted.
The crying part happened because he was so happy that he got to play minecraft with her from what i remember. He didnt cry because he sold a car.

>>53368853
During the kickstarter there were donation incentives like spending X amount of time with the girl you voted for. There was also a competition about who the 3 centers would be. Darkstar aka lardstar or troonstar, a pathetic failed Shee groomer first donated 1000$ but it was nowhere near enough to get her to become a center. At which point he said he was running out of steam. He had also gotten a car from his father which he then proceeded to sell and also seemingly got some type of loan just to donate more to the Kickstarter to get more votes/time.

Overall he ended up with almost 10,000$ donated. This actually resulted in him technically getting hour or two of 1-on-1 time with Shee, except that the management cucked him out of that as well by putting a few minute cap on the 1-on-1 time so he only got a tiny fraction of what it was supposed to be.

Anyways, when the time came and he got his moment with Shee, he actually cried about the whole ordeal during the call while the manager was still there as well.

He also got his temporary mod position made permanent by donating a 1000$ so that Shee would feel bad if she demodded him.

>>53369658
And somehow he still hasn't come even close to the amount of attention GFN used to get.

>>53353738
The discord was so much fun though. Talking to my oshi on discord everyday. (text / typing)
Was the best shit in the world.

>>53369631
>>53369658
>almost 10,000$
HOLY FUCK!!!
how retarded!
good thing he's happy with it.
is he still around shee?
>>53369768
>GFN
who?
and qrd?

>>53367559
>sister calls anon an incel once
>immediate hyper seethe
I fucking love this board sometimes

>>53370089
Yes, but still absolutely failing in every aspect, just your average yes man mod who can't even handle literal kids in chat.

>GFN
Old Shee groomer and an artfag that self-imploded due to being self-aware and left ages ago. Was massively successful so much so that a lot of the streams were practically just conversations between him and Shee and it drove a lot of people away from her out of sheer jealousy.

>>53370331
>a lot of the streams were practically just conversations between him and Shee
i hate it when a chuba pays too much attention to someone.

>>53370331
>left ages ago
why did he leave?
he had a chance to have sex with her, didn't he?

>>53370704
Dude was Euro and Shee streamed between like midnight and 6 am EU time and then after that she would watch movies and do Twitter Spaces and so he kinda went schizo due to lack of sleep.

>>53370676
You would've hated that Shee era then, she would quite literally mainly pay attention to him with everyone else being a side thought. Shee would quite a few times start a stream just because he asked and sometimes she would even just stop the stream if he had to go. They also had 30+ twitter reply threads daily.

>>53370704
Different continents, he was burning himself out by not sleeping at all. Also he was very self aware of the fact that the real chances were very slim so he just decided to quit after a slip up that upset Shee but would've blown over in a days.

Despite this he's probably the most successful corpo chuuba groomer I've ever seen. Even if he denies it himself.

>>53329150
I love Riifu so much.

>>53371018
I remember he once mentioned having about 3 hours of sleep per day for an entire week. Still no idea how he was even functional during that entire arc.

>>53371039
>the most successful corpo chuuba groomer
that would be prussianbot.
he fucked a corpo married chuba.

>>53371201
That's why I said "I've ever seen", no clue who the guy you're talking about is.

But my guess is that if GFN had been an American he probably could've also pulled it off eventually as well.

>>53371201
Vera fucked like 5 other guys from discord, not just Prussian

>>53371349
he's pretty famous groomer here.
>>53371515
>5 other guys
i know she slept around but i don't know any of the other guy's names.
prussianBVLL rules!

>>53371766
DukeExeter and SunsetInZero are two other people who fucked Vera. Tacosapien was a whale who got sent pics from Vera but was turned down when he asked her to start a relationship and got kicked from her discord for trying to charge back his donos after the fact.

>>53367559
>almost killed the entire EN branch.
DYRBI?

>>53372850
>whale
>tried to charge back
cheapskate lol

>>53370101
Not a sister btw lol. And no plans being one either.