/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>53181443
>Am I retarded for not seeing this coming?
Yes dumbass, it's not great and MTX fucking sucks but if you're surprised then you are dumb as shit.

you dont have to buy it, just watch clips as usual greynigger-kun

>>53181443
Seen other games make the smallest package be 10 less than needed to buy anything. Any use of tokens is still scummy, but seen worse.

>Am I retarded for not seeing this coming?
You literally lack a functional brain if you didn't realize that them creating HoloEarth and making it a place where live concerts with the girls can happen would mean that there would be monetization of in-game items used to cheer on the girls.

>>53181672
There's plenty worse, but this is still disgusting.
>>53181691
I'm not surprised they're attempted to start monetizing it. I'm surprised they went with the predatory tactics.

>>53181443
>I love Hololive and their merch is some of the best shit I've ever bought. I expected better of them
Someday you will discover that it's a mediocre corpo who got lucky enough to get popular talents so you will stop sucking their dick

>>53181443
What amazes me about people that complain about shit like gacha pricing and microtransactions is that they never consider the option of simply NOT BUYING IT.

>>53181443
I'd only hate it if they gatekept the whole thing with a box price

>>53181825
I'm speaking as someone who uses their merch. The Lui mug is genuinely fantastic and keeps things hotter than any other mug I've used.
>>53181828
I have never participated in gacha or predatory MTX. I have no plans to going forward. Implementing them is shitty as fuck behavior, however, and reflects exceptionally poorly on the developer who is actively disrespecting the consumer and treating them as nothing but a piggy bank.
>>53181945
I would unironically be happier with that if they added more to the game.

>>53181443
>Am I retarded for not seeing this coming?
Yes, it's a mobile game and it's not being made as a charity

>>53182605
>charity
You can have MTX and not be predatory with the practices you use.

>>53181988
So two things:
What the fuck is a consumer if not a piggybank
The devs should be ashamed... of making a product to sell to the aforementioned piggybanks, 10/10 reasoning

You may want to change realities because your perspective sounds retarded in this one

>>53181691
You can actually grind for those items by playing the jumping minigame an infinite amount of times if you don’t want to pay.

>>53183009
>what the fuck is a consumer if not a piggybank
The relationship between a consumer and a developer/merchant/etc should be one of mutual respect. There's a reason people got pissed when they misinterpreted Lui as having said her fans are "ATMs."

>>53181443
>Makes game with 0$ price tag for fans
>Adds in-game purchases for fans to support game
This has been the standard F2P practice since forever, why would this surprise you? It's like being mad at League/DotA for selling skins to keep the game free.

>>53183389
>Adds in-game purchases for fans to support game
Not the focal point of the complaint. The complaint is that said MTX are hidden behind "premium currency," which is an inherently predatory practice. If they would offer these items up with an actual price tag that allowed you to directly buy products instead of their currency, I wouldn't throw a fit. I don't care how many companies engage in predatory, anti-consumer practices. They're still predatory, anti-consumer practices.

>>53181691
It's a bit too predatory/aggressive/greedy with the gacha tactics imo.

>>53183198
>The relationship between a consumer and a developer/merchant/etc should be one of mutual respect
That's how you want it, and how it should be. It is not. If companies can get away with something, they will, and they want good PR to sell even more, which comes in hand with the pseudo-respect you are mentioning.
They are not your friends and (You), as a consumer, should always have that on mind when using the services they provide. Take on mind all the streaming services we have now exist because everyone wanted a slice of Netflix's cake, not because muh friendly consumerism. Same with most vtubers nowadays, most of them wanted a slice of the Holos'cake

>>53183597
I'm not entirely sure why you're acting like you disagree with me when the very first sentence was all you needed to say.

>>53181443
>WHY DID THEY DESIGN IT TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO BUY MORE
>WAIT COVER IS A BUSINESS???
if you're complaining then you aren't even their customer, the 5% of whales that will be responsible for the 95% of the game's revenue. So shut the fuck up and play like a peasant.

>>53183834
>WHY DID THEY DESIGN IT TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO BUY MORE
>can just make products good enough to make people want to buy more on their own
okay

>>53183708
Easy, you fighting the idea of paying for virtual currency, to use on digital goods that could be erased any moment. Either on behalf of poor suckers that can't control themselves, or just because you don't like it and think everyone should dislike it too, whilst most just don't care.
It's psychotic.

>>53181523
You actually have pride in being a simp…?

>>53183897
They're actively attempting to get me to buy into this sort of monetization practice. That is in of itself disgusting and involves me. If you think most people don't care, go ask people who are avid gamers online how they feel about this sort of thing.

>>53184062
>They're actively attempting to get me to buy into this sort of monetization practice
Raging helpless bitch, don't ever get near to a Casino for your own sake.

>>53184177
>don't ever get near to a Casino
I have no plans to do so and look down on casinos who use the "chip" system. At least at casinos, though, you expect them to be greedy shitholes. I have higher standards for Cover, though.

"That's how it is, suck it up" encourages game devs to go further with predatory practices since they aren't being actively shit on for using them.

>>53184445
The shame game doesn't do shit anymore, otherwise Twittards would be wrangled far easier. Also notice exactly how the shame game works flawlessly for these type of people, since sane people doesn't want to deal with their shit.

>>53184445
Exactly why I made this thread. I wanted to point it out and draw attention to it. Again, I love Cover, but this shit ain't okay. I would pay for a couple of things if it were purchasable with real world cash.

That energy would be better expended on doing something nice for you or making something nice for you oshi.

>>53184919
I've bought every single piece of merch that has come out for my oshi.

>>53181443
protip: take the images of the merch and use cafepress/redbubble to make your own. faster shipping too.

>>53185508
Bit of a misunderstanding there. These stickers are the stickers you send in chat, not ones you put on the side of your PC case.

>>53185559
useless. i guess you could make real stickers though... that's a decent idea.

>>53183565
There's gacha?

>>53183926
Aren't you commie fucks supposed to be on strike? Go back to picketing, "screenwriter".

>>53183565
Anon, go look at how the Hololive/CounterSide crossover was if you want to see some actual aggressive/greedy gacha tactics.

>>53181443
>Am I retarded for not seeing this coming?

Yes.

>>53181825
Anon all three of there female branches(35+10+9 chubbas) are popular, the company is very competent to be able to grow where it is even if it has made some retarded decesions along the way.

Hello fellow ledditor

>>53181443
>Am I retarded for not seeing this coming?
Yes, Anyone knew this was coming and from a business pov it makes perfect sense.

Cover ignores the Youtube cut.
Fan supports there oshi through various methods like avatars or cheering functions.

>>53187898
I do not post on Reddit, but I'm glad to see other people elsewhere are talking about it. Especially good to see it on platforms I would refuse to post on or even really visit most of the time.

>>53187959
>Support your oshi more
You know i beleive this but am still hesitant because they haven't said shit about how they are going to split the revenue with the talent, i mean they won't say shit but we will need to wait for the girls themselves to talk about it to understand if it's actually worth it, gonna stick to merch and holoearth concerts till we know more.

>>53188019
Suuuuuuureeeeee totally not you

>>53188100
I'm pretty sure the talents basically never speaking a word about Holoearth's existence says a lot. The only exception is when they drag them in for a main channel video.

>>53188100
Well they might not get a cut at all but the hardcore fans will buy anything correlated to their oshi.

If you don't think fans will buy avatars or oshi marks representing said oshi then you're mistaken.

Wow, a gacha game has mechanisms that encourage spending? No way!

>>53188162
I believe cover will share revenue because that's how they roll with everything, the thing didn't have anything to talk about so it's understandable talents not addressing it yet
Its easy to calculate concert performance but emotes and stuff are a grey area for now so not going to buy that for now.

its fine if it has microtransactions, its a free game, if its good enough to spend money on then i will do so, if its bad i will simply uninstall it. better than paying full price for a game just to end up disappointed

>>53188589

>>53188757
How could you make it profitable if there's no initial purchase cost?, do you want ads or got a better idea?

>>53188757
i pirate most games, a lot of the ones ive spent actual money on to purchase have made me feel regretful, while ive rarely felt regretful when spending money on games i already like and play actively

>>53184919
Do all kgumis behave like this now? Oh man...

>>53188894
Directly paying for the things available in the in-game shop rather than having to engage in predatory "premium currency" tactics.

>>53189037
Well yeah, that would be much better no doubt, it doesn't answer my question but you aren't wrong on that aspect nonetheless.

>>53184062
Yeah right, those avid gamers then turn around and make games that implement them like APEX and Genshin billion dollar franchises. Maybe it's you not having a good grasp of reality.

>>53188337
It's a gacha game?

If you don't like gacha, then you're not a real vtuber fan!

>>53181443
how did you not realize this was yagoos dream? he wants a holo genshin impact gold mine. they haven't even begun to roll out the way they will monetize everything. you will get sucked in and you will empty your bank account. the idiots with their akasupas and merch shipping have proven how much money they can make.

>>53181443
>I love Hololive and their merch is some of the best shit I've ever bought.
Indies literally have better merch

>>53181443
Holoass is out?

>>53184284
There isn't a single casino that will let you play for free and still earn something.
Just because you have poor impulse control, it doesn't mean that everything has aggressive marketing tactics.

>>53181443
Standard gachashit practice to obfuscate the real money spending and always leave you with leftover currency. I played 1 gacha games fairly heavily but I won't play any gachashit ever again. Even the best gacha games are poisoned because in the end it's all about making money and the way to make the most money is to trick people out of their money.

>>53192479
Lol lmao even

>>53189589
These girls are hot

>>53199790
No, they are cool, because they are in the pool.

>>53184720
>I love Cover, but

So what IS HoloEarth?

>>53181825
seething indie corpo.

>>53199790
>girls

>>53192479
funniest part is he actually believes this

>>53202143
an excuse to make you spend more on useless shit, aka hololive has been taken over by chinese investors

>>53181443
Wait, it's 1401GB in size??

>>53204243
NVm i am a retar

OP reeks of nijinigger.

how's the gameplay

>>53205282
definitely

>>53201371
>>53205282
I am not. I actively hate Nijisanji for their shitty business practices that go way, way beyond Cover and how they actively fuck over their talents whenever possible to make a buck. If you're gonna pick Cover or Niji, it's Cover any day of the week.

>>53181443
That's your fault for not catching on to modern gaming trends. Even supposedly offline games have microtrans in them these days.

That's absolutely standard practice in the industry these days. I'm not condoning it but it's senseless to be surprised or blame Cover for it specifically.

Just don't open your wallet, it's not that hard.

.t f2p gacha gamer who hasn't spend a single dime.

>>53181443
I will give Yagod all my money.

>>53181443
horo

>>53181443
This sounds really tame compared to literally any gacha game

>>53228983
OP is an idiot trying to find fault when there is none. Casino's have chips, airlines has miles, Amazon has points. Anything that holds user money always convert them to tokens and the reason is so that they will not be regulated as banks.

It's really sad how Diablo 4 is a 2023 full price game at $70 USD, has a cash shop, but no one is even angry about that because they actually released a game that works.
This is where we're at, "good job, you delivered a viable product, you are now better than 90% of your competitors".
>>53181443
This is just how things are nowadays...

holoslop thread

damn holocucks really spread their cheeks for MTX and soon to be NFTs as long as cover is behind them
can't say I'm surprised

>>53229672
>This is just how things are nowadays
I agree, but it's better to always publicly shit on companies who employ this type of practice. It won't get to every one of them, but it will pressure many and will sometimes show results.

This thread is a goldmine of corpo bootlicking faggots

>>53230493
The people who say shit like that are the same people who are into findom.

>>53230783
This one's good too
>So what if the game has MTX up the ass? IT'S NOT A CHARITY

These "people" are so brainwashed.
>We have to defend this exploitative business practice because it gives cover more money!

>>53184445
They got shit on for years and still ramped it up
You have no power

This thread is basically
>it's ok when hololive does it

I ain't reading through all this rambling shit. Does Cover force you to use their HoloCoins microtransaction to view/gatekeep the concert? If yes the company is shit and Yagoo deserved to get flogged. If no and the Coins are just for cosmetic shit, then don't open your fucking wallet and watch the concert for free like a normal person. Why the fuck does everyone feel like going on a crusade about inane shit these days?

>>53233708
>>53231167
>>53230935
Go cry about them being successful somewhere else it is unironically ok when hololive does it,it's far from exploitative and anyone pushing the agenda is just desperate.

>>53233961
Holocoins are just used for buying cosmatics completely optional, don't know how they will go about with concerts weather we can use tokens or straight up money to buy the tickets, will need to wait more to find out.

>>53233708
This but unironically

>>53186080
Did someone say GACHA?
How do I roll? What do I get?

>>53237634
What cosmetics do I buy to become lamy?