/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>53127545
Remember everyone, Lumi took these girls from you. All so she could be number one in the company she sank and later left. They could have been stars if Lumi didn't sabotage them. So there’s no depth Lumi would go for fame and fortune.

>>53127545
>>53127595
Why do femanons hate Lumi? Is crazy how much they make hate Lumi.

this whole list of reasons Lumi is cool is true and persuasive
and it reminds me how much i've loved her
however
she became yellow Vei
dropped

how does lumi get so many shills

>>53129723
actual Phase people are here.
Her two main mods, Xalamon and Smugdoka, even ran a groomcord full of anons. Or rather formerly-anons.

>>53127545
There was a moment in one of her streams before she changed her model where she literally says
>I get away with eeeeeeeeeeverything.
This is almost 7-8 months ago if I'm not mistaken. If someone knows what I'm talking about please link it here.

>>53127545
Stop making this thread

>>53127545
Watch this clip. I can’t believe Lumi admitted to being the reason Cyberlive collapsed. She abused her power as manager to funnel funds to her and away from the girls…No wonder all the ex-Cyberlive girls hate her with a passion.
https://files.catbox.moe/hqhrnn.mp4

>>53127595
I think what really does it for me is that all of these girls maintain a good, healthy friendship or at least are still acquaintances until now but Lumi is never mentioned, apart from that time she stole their assets.

Whatever happened, Lumi is clearly the odd one out and it's probably not because she's a good person.

Lumi is entertaining as fuck, meanwhile I wouldn't piss on any of the seething femcel 2views from her dead old group if they were on fire.

>>53127595
>Lumi took these girls from you
They could have kept streaming if they wanted.

Lumi hasn't done anything wrong.
I mean she has done a lot of things wrong but nothing bad enough to give a shit about thats why
she's just a woman having woman moments

>>53131250
Yeah the others were real lovely girls. Totally not jealous or anything. They certainly wouldn’t have a private discord to trash talk her, that would just be out of character.

>>53131920
Anon, you keep posting this, but there's a lot of context removed. This is a handful of cherry picked comments from probably pages of conversations that represent them disliking her. Why? Well, no one has been shitty enough to leak it.

>>53127545
Lumi Lost
CL Girls won

>>53132092
It’s my duty to post this screenshot every time this same timeloop thread gets made. I’m only playing my part

Isn't it fucking strange that besides Yuri(and even now Yuri doesn't talk to her.) None of the ex cyberlive girls like her? The only variable here is Lumi herself. I refuse to believe Pandora and Seina are giga bitches that just had it out for Lumi. Literally none of the ex cyberlive girls like her and that is telling as fuck.

>>53132571
Yeah yeah, timeloop this, timeloop that. After seeing it so many times, I just realized whoever leaked it was clearly a Lumi shill, leaving the likely inconvenient parts out to make her look blameless.

To this day, Lumi is still the odd one out.

Someone is really mindbroken about this woman. She is a literal nobody. Can't even make 4viewers by herself and still everyfuckingday someone makes a baitthread about her.
OP it's okay to jack off to her you don't need to make this thread during the postnut clarity.

https://files.catbox.moe/hgilgu.mp4

>>53132092
Bitches don't want their bitchy ways leaked, what a shocker

>>53133005
I remember going on GX Aura's Twitter replies and seeing the CL girls there with Aura reciprocating their replies. I felt like it was nu-CL and I wasn't even in idolEN general.

>>53133045
Yes…there was a Lumi shill in the private discord used to shit on Lumi.

>>53127595
good ridance

>>53133372
They all support each other whatever they do. Even Yuri now is replying to them and talking to them again. The only one that never gets mentioned is Lumi.

>>53134073
Well, Yuri probably regrets following Lumi into Phase after what happened so that's understandable.

Lumi just made them into enemies again after using their assets without permission though, so I don't expect their relationship to be mended anytime soon.

Built for instant loss to irrumatio

>>53133045
Surely there's evidence to show Lumi being a turbo cunt to the others during her time at CL? Right?

>>53134073
A group of bitches hold resentment for the popular bitch they were jealous of in the past? What a shocker. Anon these are women we’re talking about.
Yuri got kicked out of Phase for repeatedly breaking the contract so of course she’s gonna try and schmooze off her ex coworkers and weasel her way back into the clique.
Lumi is undoubtedly a bitch, but no more so than literally everyone else from Cyberlive (except Chapipi, she’s a saint)

>>53134635
Depends on what you consider evidence. Discord screenshots of personal convos don't happen unless someone is a pretty shitty person, which the Lumi shill that leaked that clearly is.

To me, her having zero ties while the rest of CL maintains a strong relationship despite some of them being more successful than Lumi nowadays, is pretty strong evidence that them being jealous bitches wasn't their only reason for disliking her.

>>53127595
Pretty sure all of these have already moved on to over corpos

>>53133230
What the fuck I love lumi now

>>53135030
Anon the person who leaked the screenshots wasn't a Lumi shill. It was a person who was literally worse than the Lumi in every conceivable way.
Vera leaked the screenshots.

>>53135326
Vera isn't even part of the conversation actually, but you're right, she's worse than any of them.

>>53127545
Im sold, omw to subscribe

>>53135434
Vera is literally in the screenshot?

>>53133230
I have never seen any of her streams and don't know what all the dramasisters are bitching about in this thread, but I will subscribe to her now, kill all niggers, blow their heads of, rape them to death

>>53127545
>this OP keeps making this same thread acting like it's some huge consistent thing
>was literally a joke for like 2 seconds for april fool's
wowitsfuckingnothing.jpg

>>53135492
And she fucked off, causing Aetheria's death.

>>53135662
Yeah, she was still the one who leaked the screenshots though

>>53127545
Yellow women makes me seethe for being a pickme girl

>>53134945
>Popular
Three of the ex CL girls are getting bigger numbers than her. Ar some point Pandora was bigger than her in CL, Lumi used Hylo, then she moved on to Yuri and dragged her to Phase, now she doesn't talk with neither of them. I don't feel like popularity has a lot to do with it.
Lumifags choose to be blind and not to read what is in front of them.

>>53133005
Lumi simps be like, it can't be here all the other girls are rotten she's the only good one

>>53135030
I've asked that same question in probably over a dozen CL threads and the only answers I've ever gotten are appeals to the majority like this or unconvincing attempts to link her as the person pulling the strings of her former doxing mod. Most of the time it's just some schizo faggot saying he's too scared to drop the "evidence". I don't deal in speculation. I need hard evidence, and the only evidence >>53131920 that has ever been provided suggests the opposite.

>>53137040
2 more weeks. Lumi is going down.

>>53129723
>>53127545
She has like 3-4 schizos that will throw themselves into hell for her. It's quite sad.

>>53137185
Well of course she doesn’t have the same amount of delusional schizos as Gura anon, she’s from a small corpo!

>>53137040
>former doxxing mod
He doesn't know.

>>53137040
This isn't some criminal court, it's all about public opinion, there will probably never be "hard" evidence because only a handful of very shitty people leak DMs or record voice calls to anti someone.

So all we're left with is reading between the lines, and doing so puts Lumi in an unfavorable perspective.

>>53127545
i hate when people say this, but imma be 100% honest, just buy an ad already.

>>53137614
It's a vtuber board, not a hololive board.

>>53137605
Except we do have hard evidence... it's just not favorable to the Lumi-antis.

>>53137575
Xalamon isn’t a doxxfag buddy. He’s just an annoying bitch

>>53127545
She got a lot of simps and knows how to pander.

>>53137751
Cherry picked evidence isn't hard evidence, retardchama.

>>53137886
Lol. Keep coping.

>>53137675
i watch phase connect a lot, but this is genuinely getting stupid, this “how does she keep getting away with it” thread has been posted way to much

>>53137914
Get back to me when the entire log gets published. I'll be happy to read it alongside everyone.

>>53137886
And a complete lack of evidence is somehow better evidence?
The same people in the screenshot are the ones that don't communicate with her. Evidence points to them being jealous bitches.

>>53127545
Menace Won
Lumi Lost

>>53138109
Them not talking to each other, irrespective of numbers, but not Lumi is pretty strong evidence IMO.

I liked her in the collbabs with Jelly and cant pretend to care about CL.

>>53127545
>Calls black people racial slurs
Based. Maybe I'll watch her if she ever joins Hololive.

>>53138744
All that does is support that the bitch clique was real. Which coincidentally is the only thing that we have hard proof of.
You making up a headcanon for the reasons they don't like Lumi is not "strong evidence" in the slightest.

>>53127545
Move on with your life already cyberlive whore

>>53127545
Where are you from ESL king?

>>53127545
hylo fuck off, u tried to leach onto other streamers to keep urself relevant, then larped about mental health on twitter to try to keep urself up, then made a fansly then realised you were still doing shit and made this post.

>>53139802
he's from Peru, it's this guy
>>53132254

>>53139427
I don't understand your head cannon. So to you it seems more likely that 9 different girls were all jealous of Lumi and talked shit about her for no reason? According to that thinking. Lumi is a cinderella character who is just hated for being too good at everything? LMAO, do you seriously believe that? You also believe her that she has a masters and is working on her doctorate and has a full time job while streaming full time?? Holy fuck.

>>53127545
I wish she had visible areola like that

>>53141283
Not really a stretch to say they were jealous when we have a screenshot of them whining about Lumi getting a big dono and about their numbers being lower than hers…
Also no, I don’t think Lumi is a saint. I think she’s a bitch, there just happens to be more ACTUAL proof of the other girls being bitches to her than vice versa.

>>53141283
nta but I think it's not an impossible answer that "they were all bitches" including Lumi, just in different ways.

I think what really sent her former coworkers on a permanent grudge like this was Lumi's doxer mod who (as far as we know) was fired. They hate her for that and IMO justifiably so. However that's the past now and they just won't let it go. People keep going >impyling >he doesn't know etc for current Phase mods in response but tellingly they never, EVER show actual proof that her current mods are anything like what that one was - and it'd be a bigger problem if it was true actually, because it'd mean Phase's staff itself are openly hostile doxfags. Lumi and her doxfag mod were a thing in Cyberlive - that's all known without a shadow of doubt. In Phase? I haven't seen proof of that yet.

>>53139938
Bruh im literally graduating to go corpo why tf would i care about ur irrelevant streamer bitch

>>53129084
Because Lumi steals all the bbc for herself. Sasuga starthief.

>>53142374
Watch your mouth or she'll try to burn your house down again

>>53142513
Lumi hates colored folk
>>53133230

>>53142787
That's why she's so into raceplay

>>53129723
phaseniggers are experienced at making shill threads, they're behind many catalog threads it's basically their second home

>>53127595
I can't understand how Chapipi and Menace were going through 2view hell for so long when they're such talented girls. I'm glad they got a second chance

>>53129084
I think its because she reminds femanons of the stacy types that use to bully them so much in high school that they had to eat by themselves in the bathroom.

>>53129723
She reminds anons of the stacy types they used to simp for in high school.

Lumi is an annoying tryhard slut

>>53144365
>Menace
Didn’t stream all that much, creative, but not super talented at anything aside from being a grifter(she and Lumi are more similar than people want to admit)
>Chapipi
Absolutely amazing signer, one of the best by far, mogs all of HoloEN in singing ability. She’s just shit at every other aspect of being a streamer with a terrible taste in games (she seems to be getting better in Idol). She also had a trio of whale/groomers that basically had an iron curtain around her. Chat interaction when they were there was pretty abysmal.

>>53144684
>>53144365
Menace fell into the ASMR hole. You gain 3-400 CCV automatically but they fuck off whenever you don't do ASMR, which can kill motivation for any streamer.

>Lumi actually thought she could get in to Hololive
Lmao

>>53145064
You're getting a lot of people with that one

>>53139427
Find me proof of any of them interacting with Lumi in any way, publicly after she left CL.
How is it headcanon that they don't talk to Lumi and therefore are not in good terms?

>>53131920
Damn they're salty lmao

>>53127545
We doing Lumi again now?

>>53145437
No, Mari is the new Lumi

>>53145190
Lumi has claimed multiple times that she received apologies from the other girls and wished them the best. In her perspective it was her forgiving them and thus amicable.

>>53145540
Clip?

>>53145190
Why would Lumi want to interact with the people that seethed about her success and drove her to ultimately leave Cyberlive? Look at that screenshot again and tell me that you would rush to be friends with those people if you were in Lumi’s shoes.

>>53127545
Lumi is a whore and deleted Hana's vods!

>>53145657
Nta and I don’t have clips of it but I can recall her saying on at least one occasion she talked to people in private to smooth things out. I don’t know about apologies or anything but maybe just setting things straight so everybody can move on.
I do have a clip of Lumi wishing Chapipi good luck though, from right when she announced her indefinite hiatus.
https://files.catbox.moe/5xi6q9.mp4

>>53127545
>'anti' thread
>nipple edit
you are not fooling anyone shill

>>53146173
>she talked to people in private to smooth things out
Was this before or after she used their models without permission?

>>53146347
Probably before. Probably also didn’t think it would be a huge deal showing their models on steam.

>>53146603
She hadn't talked to Hylo or Yoki, so the smoothing things out probably happened with other people, which makes her joke all the more idiotic.

>>53145064
Lumi would probably become one of the best HoloEN talents
1. She streams 7 days a week, twice a day most days
2. Better singer than everybody except IRyS
3. Not GFE or reliant on abusing parasocial relationships
4. Plays a lot of games that most other Holo girls don't so she would have niche appeal
5. Creative, does fun skit/rp streams
6. Hates male vtubers
Only downside is she'd absolutely have to tone down her humor and frequent use of slurs

>>53146925
Hololive works because it's like a family. Lumi is physically incapable of not making an enemy of every other woman she comes in contact with.

>>53146925
>3. Not GFE or reliant on abusing parasocial relationships
this makes her a shit holo, the kind that collabs with males to own the incels

>>53147366
can you read?
>6. Hates male vtubers
she has stated multiple times she hates male chuubas

>>53147354
Phase Connect is more of a family than HoloEN at this point anon and everybody loves Lumi

>>53147508
>he belieebs

/asp/ remembers, go ask them.
Also she despises our kind the most after divegrass, anon.

>>53147644
I don't think she's ever collabed with a male chuuba as Lumi though? I can only remember her collabing with Max0r and possibly somebody else in a big collab back in the Cyberlive days.
If you're talking about her Pre-Lumi days then you can compare her to the other HoloEN girls who collabed with males and openly had bfs in their PL, she's still not as bad.

>>53146925
Holo girls have to do quite a lot more behind the scenes than girls in Phase. They expect more of you than just being a streamer. Lumi is great where she's at

>>53147877
>It doesnt count because of reasons
She will stop pandering to unicorns once she doesnt need you and can get her cash out of shippers.
She despises goslings and she despises her audience, she even made it clear several times on her old discord.
And above all, she despises people who posted here and called her a whore after she narrated divegrass with beebs
She hates you the most, you sad gosling who post in 4chan. She makes fun of you behind your back in her third secret discord within a secret discord, she has done it before.

>>53148165
Sounds like you have a fetish for that sort of treatment from girls

>>53148165
I would say take meds, but I doubt there are any strong enough to help you through whatever this is

>>53148278
No, which is why i left the friendcord.
Go talk to the ex lumi mods and figure who she truly is before you waste any more of time shilling her

>>53148165
You just have to trust Lumi.

>>53148333
It’s not a secret she despises unicorns and goslings anon I don’t know why you’re acting like it is. People don’t watch her for that.
That said she still has given zero reason to believe that she would collab with male chuubas if she ever got into Hololive (she obviously won’t ever get in, this is pure hypothetical). She’s smarter than Ame, Bae and the other Homocollabers and knows even as a non GFE streamer that collabing with male vtubers has zero benefit as a female vtuber.

>>53148568
tl;dr: she finds all the incels who watch vtubers disgusting, she's just in it for the easy money

>>53148568
Hololivers do not need another vtuber who secretly despises them after the shitstorm fauna caused

>>53148905
Qrd on Fauna?

>>53148738
Incels are disgusting and so are people who want every vtuber to GFE pander.
By not being GFE Lumi avoids the problems that Fauna has. She’s not manipulating her audience into thinking she loves them and then pulling to rug out from under them a year later.
Lumi’s an entertainer, not a wannabe stand in for a girlfriend like people wanted and believed Fauna to be. Lumi cares for her audience in a way that avoids people making false pretenses.

>>53148738
your reading comprehension is astonishingly low

>>53149042
A take way mild and way softer than this >>53148568 about vtubers not being your friends

>>53149121
If you say GFE bad other hololivers doesnt need your or your chuubas so please stay away thanks, that is female behavior btw

>>53149211
Holy ESL...

This thread is beatifull

>their oshi isn't in a parasocial relationship with them and desperately craves their attention
Pathetic

The better question is how do you keep getting away with posting the same fucking thread every week, with the same bullshit unsubstantiated allegations and schizo leaps of logic to try and convince strangers on the internet that this anime woman is some kind of Machiavellian auteur of social manipulation

>>53127545
I want my cock between those tits… and based on the racist.

>>53150654
Lumi is the reason vtubing in the west is dying. She is every bit the evil mastermind people claim her to be.

>>53150654
because it is a shill thread and you fell for it >>53146211

>>53129723
Shes aristocratic stock. Plebs will naturally admire that

>>53150879
Based for stealing Vei’s model. Fuck her anyways.

>>53127545
Because she has a whole discord cucks whom will bend to her willing. Otherwise, nobody cares about these who?tubers

I pray each day for the demise of small corpos, both phase and idol have been feeling somewhat important out of nowhere, they need to be put in their place

>>53152083
That’s not vshojo.

>>53150879
>>53148165
>>53148568
Holy fuck this entire thread is pathetic. I've never seen the Antis and defenders both look equally retarded until now. She doesn't seem like she deserves all these schizo rants, but straight up saying she would outperform Ame and Bae because of her stance on male tubers is just as autistic.

>>53152675
She would outperform Ame and Bae because she’s more entertaining and talented

>>53127545
no one cares hylo

>>53154036
I care

>>53129723
her fans have always been cliquey and crazy

>>53154036
I care

>>53127545
Every bait thread with Lumi makes me hard and interested

>>53127545
She first started with small yabs, and then moved to bigger and bigger yabs to build up yab immunity. It's like building up bullet resistance.

>>53156709
And you know this how?

>>53158304
Watch streams. She’s immune to yabs. In fact they only serve to make her grow stronger

>>53134945
Yuri was still friends with the Cyberlive girls before her termination, all of them following Yuri and interacting on twitter (including m*nace) while Lumi was not friends with them. I don't see why Yuri would stop talking to them just because she's not Yuri anymore.

>>53127545
Lumi would go into the dms of each of the Cyberlive girls and encourage them to "beat" their peers. She talked shit about Yuri, Pandora, and Seina to Hylo in the early days, then shit talked Hylo to Yuri. Then she leaked the private discord where talents expressed their grievances with the company lying to them and stealing fans' money, and got everyone in trouble. She sucked the dick of Misaki, while Misaki treated everyone terribly. She shit talked gen 2 to Misaki, traded secrets about the talents, orchestrated Hylo's termination that didn't go through because Hylo chose to graduate instead. She shit talked sweet Seina for no reason, became manager and instantly started pushing for her new outfit, while being on calls with Misaki, who gave Lumi her full attention and then both of them ghosting the other talents. She maintained a doxxer mod, who she shared private info of the talents with. She doxxed Hylo here, and Misaki caught the blame for it. Lumi shit talked talents on the Cyberlive thread and admitted doing so to the members she was manipulating. She threw everyone, even Misaki under the bus when Phase Connect reached out to her twice asking to poach her, first being through Pippa, second time being through Sakana. She convinced Yuri to tag along with her and ditched the company when she knew leaving would bring an end to the company because management literally told her what was at stake. Everyone begged them in a group chat not to do it and then they dropped a graduation announcement on twitter WITHOUT discussing it with management or the talents. Lumi calls chapipi a saint but chapipi hates her just as much as everyone else from Cyberlive does, but Lumi clings to her non-involvement in the discord leak as some sort of proof that she's not a bad person. Chapipi's new vtuber account follows all of Cyberlive including Yuri's new account, but excludes Lumi as expected. You guys are foolish if you believe Lumi is the good guy.

>>53127545
so you're telling me that lumi is just based? Can't see a problem /here/

>>53127545
You gotta be careful with making these threads or else someone might accidently leak the part where she was literally dating the schizo doxxer, Sei. :)

>>53159392
Nice fanfiction

>>53160761
Which lumi mod is this, stop protecting her. Is this Xalamon? She used to hate you too, remember that?

She's live right now.
Hopefully karaoke but right now it's genshit.
https://www.twitch.tv/kanekolumi

>>53160920
ah good day SEA shizos

at least you aren't shitting up /pcg/ when there are bait threads up

>>53159392
This is one of the girls btw

>>53129084
Effortless attractive and immediately commands the attention of every guy in the room when she enter. She has the it factor of a celebrity that femanon Becky beings never can have

>>53161281
If it's one of the girls than that would verify their story that they have the right to hate Lumi.

>>53144365
>>53144684
>Menace become cunny clussy
What did Chapipi reincarnated into? Didn't watch her.

Thank god she mostly stays secluded in her own little corner in phase. I forget she exists until bait threads like this are made.

>>53162530
>if you just believe everything they say without thinking about it than it’s totally justified.

>>53163213
Anon, use your ears and listen to her genmates.

>>53142787
What? Does she not like poopskins?

>>53137185
>only 3-4
Her entire fanbase is hopelessly devoted to her

>>53127545
Because of her stupid fucking degree

Probably the fact she's a femcel who streams every time I'm awake now. Lazy bitches can't compete with lemonade and a master's degree in astrophysics.

>>53129923
THOSE WHO ONCE WERE A-NONS BUT WERE GROOMED INTO SOMETHING WROSE- DISCORDFAGS

>>53165220
>vtuber fans devoted to vtuber
Wow thats crazy

>>53131812
It's this >>53144447
But Lumi is actually a STEM girl and pretty autistic so it's unwarranted. The other girls also perceive her as a rich girl and hate her on that basis (see their special discord chat shitting on her for 'being rich') but she always talks about survival and how her friends had trouble finding good jobs out of college which is why she wants to be vtuber to make money to not have to work.

My big brain tells me she's upper middle class, her parents are comfortable but she's not going to be set 4 life with them, the other girls are just broke as hell (menace's thin walls at her mom's house).

Lumi also wants to be a cute anime girl but other girls keep rejecting her autism and the abrasive personality that comes from that. It's a sad story of women being women.

>>53134945
what part of the contract did she break and why is everyone so fucking mysterious about it? hololive didn't have that problem with rushia, nijisanji didn't have that problem with zaion.

>>53146925
>2. Better singer than everybody except IRyS
extremely delusional

>>53166214
No one except those in Phase know what Yuri did. People who claim to know are only speculating. Many will say she was funneling donos to a personal account to surpass giving Phase a cut but there is zero proof of that.
As to why Phase didn’t go into great detail about the reason for termination we also don’t know. They took a better approach then Niji by not crafting some inane laundry list of gripes that basically slanders the talent but the vagueness does allow for rampant speculation.

>>53166557
Who is better than her in HoloEN aside from IRyS?