/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>53101713
But they have the big baseball game anon.

>>53101713
Didn't read, holds dying btw

>>53101751
EN's not even allowed to take part in that

>>53101713
but wait, there is more!

>>53101713
2020 Hololive was much worse, anon.

>>53102230
whataboutism, it won't fix Nijisanji anon.

i support the complete and swift destruction of chinasanji

I need a rundown on the clique cuz how schizo every post that mention it sounds

>>53101713
Absolutely obsessed
They must still be relevant if there’s posts being made

>>53102527
>People call out black company and there downright content farm esk practices
>NOOOOOO DON'T TALK ABOUT MY RIKU LIKE THAT RENT FREE MY RIKU WILL STARVE TO DEATH

I don't give a fuck about any of that, Rosekino's still on the menu.

>>53102527
No one said they aren't relevant anon
They're just relevant for all the wrong reasons

>>53102230
Did you mean 2022 Hololive?

>>53101713
the year isnt even over yet..

Ike, Luca, Vox, Shu, Selen & Rosemi at Japan Expo Paris July 13th
Lazulight, Enna and Millie at Nijigen Expo July 15th
Ike, Shu, Sonny and Alban Concert/Panel at Virtualfes July 22nd (Hong Kong)
Noctyx at Bilibili World July 23rd
Iluna & Xsoleil at Anime Impulse Bay Area July 29-30th
Millie, Enna, Doppio, Luca at ACGHK2023 July 30th
Mysta at ACGHK2023 July 31st
Alban and Uki at Otakuthon August 11-13th
Anime Impulse Orange County TBA

>>53101713
>all EN shit
I almost cared

>>53102527
>any publicity is good publicity
I tell myself as the ship begins to list, her crew dwindling.

>>53102230
The week of hell? (Kaoru graduation, permission gate, Mio suspension, Miko going on health leave)

Granted that was bad but it left no lasting effects on the company

>>53104118
Coco's yab, permission gate (aka HOLOcaust) and HoloCN's mass graduation was worse than anything OP posted.

>>53101713
Pretty much everything that isn't JP for Nijisanji is doing shit.

>>53104443
HoloCN's graduation was a good thing bugman.

They really need a complete revamp.

>>53104443
HoloCN wasn’t even relevant, they were ID sized tops. They had a boost when Ame encouraged people to check out Artia, but then some of the CN talents and especially the fanbase had to fuck up by going menhera.
Except for Yogurt anyway…point being, the impact it had on the company was small compared to Coco or Rushia being gone from the company.

https://rentry.org/exx63

>>53104748
>ID sized
Fun fact holoID is outperforming nijiEN right now.

>>53103799
>a list of cons they're going to means there's no internal issues in the company whatsoever

>>53101713
let us pray for a swift and painless dead.
but if I am honest, the world is not a nice place where the bad get what they deserve.

>>53105146
That is especially true, which is ironic considering that NijiID had an advantage early on. I guess what I mean by ID sized at the time though was that the HoloID wasn’t massive like it is now, in fact HoloCN could easily have been looked at as doing worse considering how many Chinese people there are living on earth.
Considering the drama and its schizoid fanbase, that was the right call for Cover to make. And looking at the partnerships the company made this year, it was easily the right call in the long term.

>>53104572
I don’t see it happening sadly. Anycolor makes stockholders happy because of their current business model, which involves 2% merch cuts, shotgunning out vtubers to cipher more money from, and making factory produced merch with a template that I cannot believe they were proud to show off.
And even if Anycolor were to change things up by killing EN management completely and absorbing the branch back into the main company to better handle them, I think the damage has been long done at this point. In fact it kind of shows when you see how the new wave is doing now, no against to them as people but the small debut waves made it clear that fans left from Iluna to now. Nothing short of a Hail Mary could have saved them, especially because of the leaks.

>>53104443
Factually not true.

All those were done to Hololove from without. All Nijisanji yabs are from within.

>>53106005
>not filling in for permissions wasn't cover's fault
>firing a whole branch wasn't done by cover
at least what you said holds true with coco but sure, cover did nuffin

>>53106112
>Nijiniggers mass reporting cover's stream was cover's fault
>Chinks being chinks was cover's fault
Do nijinigs really?

>>53106204
Yes, opening themselves for such liabilities was their fault. Next question.

>>53101713
record profits, seethe

>>53106288
and nijiniggers wonder why they are so hated

>>53105833
>fans left from Iluna to now
I feel called out lmao.
But yeah just knowing that the same management that harrassed Yugo for having 'sub par' ccv is still there doing their thing doesn't sit right.
Funny how Yugo's numbers were better compared to the literally every wave that came after.

>>53101713
This is why you should watch hololive instead

>>53103799
What's this supposed to prove?

>>53106510
The places where NijiEN will embarrass themselves in.

>>53106338
anon, playing with fire until getting burned isn't a wise approach in any business

>>53101713
The company has always been quantity over quality. The company itself is doing fine. There will always be more desperate nobodies lining up for the spotlight because what the fuck else do they have going on in their lives.

>>53101950
There is a bunch of ENs on the teams retard

>>53106759
>Yeah we hit them, but they were asking for it so it's fine
Nijinigger logic

>>53101713
What is the appeal of Niji? Seems to me it's just whores who are given a green light to collab with the shitty male tubers they churn out. Cancerous company.

>>53106341
No worries anon, I didn’t mean to be that mean spirited. And you pretty much summed it with up by mentioning how it doesn’t feel ‘right’ that the management failing NijiEN is likely still there behind the scenes. With the immediate death of AR Fes, the leaks that surrounded the Gamer Wave, speculations on whether more talents will leave soon after Nina and who is next, and with how it feels like a fair amount of talents seem frustrated with management’s lack of assistance, it makes wanting to be a fan more difficult than it should be. In some cases it almost feels like you’re watching a hostage situation, you know what I mean?
I don’t know, it’s just crazy how an entertainment company meant to support streamers either playing vidya,
making music, drawing art or just
doing variety content could have this many issues. And it’s not like they have the excuse that they’re new to the business, they’ve pretty much been around for half a decade by now.

>>53106745
Kek

>>53106849
It's gotta be diminishing returns though. Yes they can keep hiring new talents to replace the ones that leave, but the fanbase isn't going to just transfer over. A lot of people are gonna leave when their oshi leaves.

>>53105146
HoloIDshit is empty numbers with no revenue LARPing as a soft EN in disguise.
ID market is dogshit, that's why Riku doesn't even bother try to save that shit branch.

>>53106204
>>53106933
>streams get taken down because of Cover`s retardation
>Nijisanji did this!

>>53107481
skill issue

>>53107488
>Yeah I stabbed him but he had an exposed belly, that wasn't my fault was it

>>53106933
sure, let's ignore the retarded decisions that led to that point. the coco thing was different because it was an entire country being retarded and you never really know when they will decide to go full schizo

>>53107583
>sure lets ignore the role that nijiniggers played in this
no

>>53107614
it's great that you enjoy nijisanji more than hololive

>>53107534
>$70k total sc
>shit merch sales

>>53107481
It sounds more like Riku had an issue looking for good talent, or that he’s a cheapskate as per the Anycolor norm. Like Kobo mostly speaks Indo and she’s way past 1 million subs, it’s clear that however small it is there’s a growing market.

>>53104443
That was a huge event, but it didn't literally poison the group like what OP mentioned.

>>53107868
meanwhile, nijiID...

>>53106328
All that profit and they still need that 98%

>>53108108
Exactly that`s why Anycolor abandoned that failed market

>>53101713
>Overall viewership lower especially with males

Why lie? Luxiem averages dropped for sure but girls are actually doing better than a year ago.

>>53108140
once again, skill issue

>>53106925
anon said to take part as in make their own team

>>53108159
>girls are actually doing better than a year ago.
sure they are

>ITT tribalfaggotry AND /#/faggotry
I like how these things always, always come as a pair

>>53108233

>>53108233
>>53108431

>>53108431
so you're saying she's going to keep milking nina's graduation huh

>>53108431
>>53108482
Damn NijiEN is fucked!

>>53108431
>>53108482
>>53108549
what exactly do you think you're proving with this exactly?

>>53108184
>CCV = revenue
SEA is currently not a big contributor to earnings - Yagoo

>>53108577
The holobrony cries out as he attacks you

>>53108577
Remember when Enna was supposed to be finished?

>>53108623
The nijinigger spazs out randomly in desperation

>>53108649
>spazs

>>53108577
All of them are doing better numbers than a year ago.

*laughs at ENsharts*

>>53108682

>>53108708
ouch

>>53108649
>Noooo you are not supposed to show facts nijiEN is deadddddd

>>53108730
>I make a post laughing at supposed poor numbers
>Multiple anons post instances of multiple different girls’ numbers improving over the course of the past year
>I’m mad now
Why is SEA even allowed to access this place?

>>53108803
>I'm going to post random screenshots and this will somehow prove my point

>>53108820
To drink nijinigger tears, mainly

>>53108783
Ouch indeed.

>>53108827
>posting a random shitty graph of eliras stream
>anons retaliate and post other graphs that show they are in fact, not dead
>holobrony tears and cope coming out

>>53104443
>was worse than anything OP posted
You know what? I agree with you, they were really bad. But the deal here is that the Cover yabs were all of pure incompetence, they weren't prepared for their success and failed hard in maintain the level they attained. Now if we look at Anycolor/Nijisanji, a bigger company with more experience, we can see all the yabs are done out of pure malice that only a Black Company can do. Cover learnt with their mistakes, but nobody can see Nijisanji yabs stopping anytime soon, but as long as their JP boys are going strong, everything's fine I guess.

>>53101751
>Shu's alleged graduation
Is this confirmed? I know the leaker said there's another big one after Nina but why is it Shu?

>>53108827
>random

Holy shit the desperation. You claimed their numbers are worse. Literally only Luxiem is doing worse. And thank fucking god they suck.

>>53108860
>Nijisanji has a handful of good streams
>This invalidates the 50 or so 3views that make up the bulk of the roster

>>53108855
Sounds like this is your only access to potable water

>>53108577

That you are a complete retard spewing bullshit?

>>53108921
you're going to have to link your screenshots to your point because it's not self explainatory, especially considering most of them got a bump thanks to nina's graduation
Unless your point is that Pomu will keep singing nina rememberance karaokes for the rest of time in which case LOL LMAO

>>53108860
Uh, Holobronies? This doesn’t fit our narrative; what do we do now?

>>53108922
Yes Niji has a shitton of part time streamers doing sub 1k ccv it was always like this. What exactly is this supposed to prove?

>>53101751
kek, fucking baseball

>>53108995

If you are some retarded newfag who can't check basic streaming stats it's on you. Almost all NijiEN girls are inclining. Even shitters like Reimu are doing much better averages than a year ago.

>>53108431
zoom out and post it again

>>53109024
>Those 3views don't mean anything, stop noticing them

>>53109024
NijiEN is in some heavy decline overall

>>53109159
Nijisanji*

>>53109150
Why is the term “part-time” lost on you? Hobbyist streamers have always existed, vtubers or not. Who cares if somebody works a day job and streams at night for fun?

>>53109024
>Please only account for the popular ones hence dont have to make this a part time thing

>>53107481
Bait aside you're not exactly wrong. Indonesian currency is one of the worst in world. The average Indonesian makes a little over 800 usd a month and that's 12 million dollars in their currency.
I've seen people brag about kobo receiving 1 million IDR before but that's literally not even an aka supa. It's not even funny how heavily propped up the branch is because it's seen as an extension of the EN community.

>>53109150
Worry about your own 3views. Nothing Cover does seems to be able to incline their homos.

this is now a /#/ thread

>Zaion getting fired but attempting a public assassination that failed
Zaion proved stealth suspensions are a thing among other shit. Id say she had at least some success

>>53106328
Hard to make nice profits if you barely fkn pay your talents...

>>53109340
Kek

>>53109342
once again, skill issue

>>53109159
You keep claiming this for like 2 years now and girls are doing the same numbers.

>but muh males

Nobody fucking cares. Luxiem was a disaster for NijiEN. They can all fuck off I don't care.

>>53109342
the average american working min wage part time makes that shit too after taxes. People here literally live off food stamps

>>53106328
nice, another yacht for Riku while his talents drop left and right!

>>53108233
kek thats why they only post peaks

>>53109411
>Luxiem was a disaster for NijiEN
It didnt sound like that on you nijiniggs b4 their downfall though...
You embraced that narrative recently cuz now it suits you...

>>53101713
>>The clique heavily rumoured
What the hell is this? Do tell. Everything else made sense to me except for this.

>>53109665
All pre Luxiem fans hated them there was just a flood of retarded twitter whores.

>>53109411
Luxiem was wildly successful for NijiEN no matter how much people on this board seethe about males. Its decline over the last year has been bad news for the company.

>>53109379
The funniest part is she didn't even do it first. NijiEN did when they were scrambling over themselves to slam her with a laundry list of misconduct.

>>53109411
Your girls are the cocksleeves of luxiem, you MUST care and you will and the girls will make sure they off-collab enough with them that you are aware

>>53101713
I just feel bad for the talents. I don't buy into the prevalent rrat on this board that some of them are sociopaths, maybe they are maybe not, but everyone in NijiEN I watch is cool and doesn't deserve the hate nor the buttfucking by their company

>>53109379
Its still weird that in their haste to look up anything bad against her, they basically confirmed that stealth suspensions are real.

>>53108912
It's difficult to say if it's confirmed or not since it still rumor after all, though its fair to assume that more of the bigger talents will bleed after a while since the situation at NijiEN doesn't seem to be changing. As for why people assume Shu of all people will leave, it's not that hard to see why even if the reasons listed here just boil down to speculation.
>Is attached to his fanbase the least out of any of the talents in Luxiem. He does a ton of collabs, less and less solo content over time, it seemed like even when he went on break he didn't do a ton of updates for the Yaminions.
>According to Pomu or one of the other EN females IIRC, Shu apparently fights with management the hardest behind the scenes. And does so very aggressively in a way that the dude very much isnt when you see him on stream, which makes it hard to believe.
>Had a mental breakdown the moment AR Fes was cancelled. From what I heard the guy wasn't the best at karaoke nor was he really known for singing, but I guess the dream of being on stage with a 3D model really meant a lot for him.
>Probably just felt like he did all he could at NijiEN. To be blunt when you're basically handed nearly a million subs just for being a male in a popular wave like Luxiem, where can you really go from there besides down?
Again, it's still a rumor, but a very accurate one since it predicted Nina's graduation. Nevermind the other accurate leaks that were posted here in the past surrounding the Gamer Wave. Not only were the designs leaked, but even the names, the debut period, to who the MCs were leaked 1:1 to where it's difficult to write it off as a simple prediction.

>>53109312
>>53109150
you don't actually think streaming is a real job, do you? because it isn't.

>>53109015
we graduate another Nijisanji.

>>53109438
Actually a lot of business have upped their payment to at least $12 a month. As a crew member of a lot of McDonald's you'll get more money per month than your average Indonesian by over double.
Next year McDonald's has stated they'll be upping their pay to $15/h minimum which means that the job people make fun of all the time is literally worth double the money of your average Indonesian job.
It's not like Indonesia doesn't have a food stamp like program either with food assistance being available to low income families there as well.

Overall as >>53109404 said, being born Indonesian is a skill issue

>>53101950
and thank god for that

>>53106328
I'm having Bioware flashbacks from just looking at your post

>>53110351
Define "real job"!

>>53109242
Nope, the main branch is fine. It's NijiEN thats a dumpster fire.

>>53110580
cope>>53110580

>>53110580
Memoryholing gundou so soon huh? Sasuga stalinsanji

>>53110108
Enna and Kyo are, it's painfully obvious, mate.

>>53109024
All 5 newly launched VTA waves (22 people) are not part time streamers, they stream almost every day and still shit. And if you look at the Niji application, they request to stream 3 times per week similar to Cover since 2020. I don't think part time streams have anything to do with sub 1k

>>53110638
It's business as usual? that isn't declining

>>53110394
Boy there sure is alot of sour grapes going on around here huh?

>>53108706
I remember seeing a chart where they lost 50-80% of their viewers compared to last year.

>>53110779
theres a bunch of the new debuts in there

>>53101713
the zaion stuff was funny. they shot someone right in front of me then tried to tell me she committed suicide. all it did was show me what to look for in the future

ITT: Blind men describe an elephant by feeling it

>>53110997
I counted and there's only three dudes in the new waves who are actual 3views. 3 out of 8. Meanwhile Tempiss is 5 out of 8.

>>53101713
Cover losing holoCN was huge but it's easier to write off the loss of a potential market. Hololive has the perception of being more competent since Nijisanji keeps failing in ways that are more noticeable. Anycolor doesn't just fire a talent they run a smear campaign against her and she reveals confidential information about their "vacations" which are hidden suspensions.

So far management is better at maintaining the illusion that hololive talents never get suspended they just go on radio silent "health" breaks for a few months. Hololive at least pays their talents a good amount since their fights seem to revolve around the lack of creative freedom while the fights with Nijisanji mostly relate to money.

>>53113054
>Cover losing holoCN was huge
If it's huge why are they being worshiped in taiwan right now?

>>53112398
>meanwhile tempuke
kek when you have to compare with literal feces, you know you've lost

>>53110905
kek

>>53101751
I literally don't give a shit about anything else, but caving in to baseballfags and graduating Gundou is unforgivable

Im sure they will participate on nijifes
But that is it.
Obsydian still not having 3d is a travesty.

>>53108964
How's Flint's water situation by the way, Amerimutt?
And don't forget that you had yet ANOTHER train derailment involving toxic chemicals, this time directly on a river.
But don't worry, all those salty tears you let out as trannies and blacks take over your country will be your new water source.

>really bad year
>99% of it is about NijiEN
Ah I love how you faggots want to talk about nijien but instead generalize all nijisanji when the branch with most members, popularity and litearlly their main branch exists. meanwhile in NijiJP they have 200k watching right now, tournaments, 3D debuts, many solo concerts, a fucking mcdonalds collab and much more good things happening this year
>Public opinion of them going to shit
none of that changes anything retard-kun, like 80% of their revenue is in Japan, its never going to affect them and in there its not like this

>>53110905
Is this some sort of Indonesian fable of some sort? I'm not familiar. I don't really care about nijiID, I'm just pointing out that Indonesia is worthless. Your guys currency is not even a cent to the dollar. The average Mickey Ds worker will make more than half of you will see in your lifetime. Appealing to your market is worthless because your country is worthless.

>>53105833
>and making factory produced merch with a template that I cannot believe they were proud to show off.
yes anon every merch is birthday merch, its not like theres a shit ton of merch that isnt default like that

>>53110671
Gundou graduating doesn't change anything for JP. If mayuzumi, lulu and gibara who were much bigger than her didnt change, then nothing will. even more when her graduation was positively received

>>53101713
>>Shu's alleged graduation
so excited for this so i can resell my goods to his insane fans at highly inflated prices <3

>>53115841
>I'm not familiar
>Must be an Indonesian fable
Ameribro, you are forgetting your European heritage again.

>>53115729
its funny how those retards insist in saying nijisanji when they just mean NijiEN. You can see it easily with how most if not all of their arguments are about it, then at best they then include gundou because its the only negative thing they can say about JP.
Just say Nijisanji has a badn year in the EN market, or NijiEN, it makes more sense and dont make you look like a retard

>>53109067
Don't laugh, or they'll graduate you too!

>>53108140
its not a failed market. its very profitable. nijisanji failed. because they suck lol

>>53110321
>From what I heard the guy wasn't the best at karaoke nor was he really known for singing, but I guess the dream of being on stage with a 3D model really meant a lot for him.
that's crazy considering hes like one of the best male singers in nijien by a pretty wide margin

>a really bad year

>82,483: Kaede (Nijisanji)
>74,248: Nui (Nijisanji)
>66,058: Hibari (Nijisanji)
>61,108: Lize (Nijisanji)
>58,074: Pekora (Hololive)
>53,343: Lain (Nijisanji)
>48,919: Miko (Hololive)
>44,683: Koyori (Hololive)
>35,880: Toya (Nijisanji)
>35,475: Subaru (Hololive)
>35,369: Korone (Hololive)
>29,017: Korone (Hololive)
>20,753: Fubuki (Hololive)
>20,421: Fubuki (Hololive)
>18,656: Met (VSPO)
>16,371: Ayame (Hololive)
>15,198: Pekora (Hololive)
>14,408: Gura (Hololive)
>14,126: Noel (Hololive)
>13,683: Lamy (Hololive)
>13,536: Fubuki (Hololive)
>13,305: Lui (Hololive)
>10,801: Furen (Nijisanji)
>10,388: Rika (Nijisanji)
>10,369: Koyori (Hololive)

Meanwhile the most viewed streams for vtubers in the world for an entire week are in nijisanji

>>53117739
> the most viewed streams for vtubers in the world for an entire week are in nijisanji
Again, it's because of Nijisanji's baseball event. The fans always come out of the woodwork in this instance, but for some reason they barely support most of the talents outside of the event.

>>53117739
If you're going to use CCV, then you should do a year-to-year comparison. Plus, they're publicly-traded corpos. If there's a year-to-year decrease, then it's a bad year. If there's a year-to-year increase and meets expectations, then it's a good year. CCV really should just be treated as potential customer base that's more willing to spend than vod views. In that case, really it's about whether revenue increased and whether the amount of unique purchases increased (different individuals).

>>53115729
>shut up and consume
every time

>>53117739
>posts only one day of streams

>>53117990
>they barely support talents
>often reaches over 100k combined CCV
This might come as a surprise to you, if you have literal dozens of streams everyday people don't have time to watch everything. Today there was literally two overlapping koshien streams, a volleyball tournament, and another collab with multiple POVs happening at the same time plus a bunch of assorted streams. There's no way to watch all this at the same time, people usually stick to their favorites and that's about it.
The concept of box and watching anyone from the same company doesn't apply much outside of Hololive and other fandoms that came from Hololive (cough cough nijiEN) because people don't care enough or it's just not possible.
Either way, you see much smaller numbers on Hololive streams when for some reason 10+ people decide to stream at the same hour, for Nijisanji that's a daily occurrence.

>>53109340
But we want our homos to die.

>>53117739
>kaede
guess the botted stream

>53121429

>>53121602
>no argument
concession accepted

>>53121457
who the fuck is we? Are we speaking french now?

>>53101751
gundou getting fired doesnt make power pros less awesome

>>53121934
She graduated on her own after being in gay baby jail too long.

>power pros awesome

>>53107013
You are looking at the cup half full. Anycolor does not support their streamers. The streamer supports the company. House rules, company rules. Hololive probably has similar internal issues, just less chaos because they can more easily manage their smaller employee base.

>>53122117
No she quit because she was tired of people saying she didn't belong in Niji, so she said fuck it and quit

>>53107366
No, actually, from what I can tell. Rushia and Coco from Hololive do not nearly have as large a viewerbase during and after their time in Hololive.

>>53123142
NijiEN has so much shitfire because management does NOT do any fucking background checks, and most of the streamers there don't think of this as a job. have never had a job before and are thus unprofessional monkeys. Hololive has much better talent scouting and vetting, and thus are able to avoid a Aruvn/Zaion/Yugo/Luxiem situation

>>53109411
Holy fuck you live in bizarro land if you actually believe Luxiem was ever bad for EN, even now in their shittiest state, they are better than the best EN girl, who are "inclining" kek.

>>53123250
The Aruvn situation in particular is mind boggling. He probably got in through unironic nepotism because he knew Millie/Enna, and he still fucked up spectacularly by leaking shit either on his own or innocently showing it to a friend who then showed it to everyone. In a way I'm glad because it was entertaining, but goddamn.

>>53106925
not as captains
this is technically the third Koshien EN members are getting drafted the 2021 one only having Lazulight
And before any faggot say about seniority one of the team captains this year is Petra's sister that debuted in that 7girls wave

>>53124539
I love how you think it was he that fucked up and not anycolor being such cheapskates that they cause a talent like that to quit in disgust

>>53125114
The company can do no wrong

>>53125194
The nijifag mindset

>>53101713
You forgot the mass graduations from ID and KR and the few from JP as well, including some of their heavy hitters who left for disagreements on the future of the company (and they were very vocally open about that fact).

>>53125114
I think it's a bit of both. Its good that he showcased Anycolor's 2% bullshit, but the guy also screwed himself over by probably showing that he cannot be trusted as a potential hire for a corp.

>>53123473
Outside of Vox, there's nothing outstanding as far as each individual member of Luxiem goes, and Vox just got the voice blessing. They are (were) as successful as they became simply by being early. If Noctyx debuted first, their numbers would essentially be the same distributed in reverse.

>>53101713
As a fan of the talents in kurosanji I don't give a fuck about the company itself. The more bad things happen to them the better it is for the talents. That way they'll start to give a shit about them then those blood sucking stock holders.

Also, fuck Riku I hope the mf gets drunk and falls overboard his yacht and dies a slow death. I wish the same on the managers giving grief to the EN talents currently.

>>53101713 (OP)
As a fan of the talents in kurosanji I don't give a fuck about the company itself. The more bad things happen to them the better it is for the talents. That way they'll start to give a shit about them then those blood sucking stock holders.

Also, fuck Riku I hope the mf gets drunk and falls overboard his yacht and dies a slow death. I wish the same on the managers giving grief to the EN talents currently.

>The clique heavily rumoured
This is made up by fucking schizo losers on \vt\ who hate Enna for no real reason. If the fucking leaker hasn't said shit on this it's more than confirmed it only exists in the minds of these retarded bitches.

>>53101713
As a fan of the talents in kurosanji I don't give a fuck about the company itself. The more bad things happen to them the better it is for the talents. That way they'll start to give a shit about them then those blood sucking stock holders.

Also, fuck Riku I hope the mf gets drunk and falls overboard his yacht and dies a slow death. I wish the same on the managers giving grief to the EN talents currently.

>The clique heavily rumoured
This is made up by fucking schizo losers on \vt\ who hate Enna for no real reason. If the fucking leaker hasn't said shit on this it's more than confirmed it only exists in the minds of these retarded bitches.

Rumored upcoming graduations
-- Shu
-- Selen
-- Kyo
Pomu has been hinting at it too

>>53117990
>>53118470
>>53121175
>>53121520
cope. cover is also a public company and while ccv dont show money, it shows popularity of the overall agency, even more in an event like this that yes its bigger than last year

>>53101713
ive never seen a more badly managed company. at some point theres gotta one person that goes "i think were fucking up here" Riku probably cashed out a long time ago

>>53130909
what a delusional fuck and a clear ENfag. all of the ~bad things~ are happening to EN, which can be closed any day and won't make a significant difference to their revenue

>>53134887
you probably only have looked at companies in vtuber industry if you think like this.

>>53101713
>Company's stocks higher than ever
>A really bad year
Sure anon...

Dont forget Enna self exposing as a pedophile

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqcoCM6OiyE&lc=UgxX17E9akkEoBrOacV4AaABAg.9rkQALC0vLh9rxiORi9VPK

>>53135012
He didn't because there are plenty that are worse. up8, .LIVE, WACTOR, etc. And 774 is also currently collapsing as we speak. Nijisanji is perfectly fine in comparison. They're having record breaking events and record breaking profits.

>>53134775
>while ccv dont show money, it shows popularity of the overall agency
And on average, HoloJP talents like Subaru/Miko/Korone/Pekora for example get more viewers than most of NijiJP outside of NijiKoshien.

>>53134905
>which can be closed any day and won't make a significant difference to their revenue
Significant no, but it will be a noticable drop. It's not like NijiKR or NijiID where the different is negligible, it will be very apparently when EN shutters.

>>53136657
its going to make a difference, but the company wont die and most if not all of it can be recouped in jp if it ever happens

>>53136451
thats true, even in the vtubing industry its like that, but what can you expect from enfags who only know en agencies and "know" niji

>>53136451
NijiEN has colored people's perception too much.
It helps most users here know little to no Japanese.

Thankfully I am not among them.

i guess this thread came from this

>JULY 2023 GOLDS
1) Nijisanji (Nijisanji) - 209,736 - Koshien Draft
2) Subaru (Hololive) - 75,828 - Birthday Totsumachi
3) Leos (Nijisanji) - 69,970 - Koshien Practice
4) Maimoto (Nijisanji) - 49,699 - Koshien Recap
5) Shiina (Nijisanji) - 116,661 - Koshien Practice
6) Lize (Nijisanji) - 111,373 - Koshien Practice
7) Ibrahim (Nijisanji) - 82,832 - Koshien Practice
8) Shiina (Nijisanji) - 82,413 - Koshien Practice
9) Kaede (Nijisanji) - 82,483 - Koshien Practice

NijiJP is kino. NijiEN is dog diarrhea. I wish the Hololive fans and EOPs here knew the difference.

>>53136248
based

>>53123158
And you actually believe that?

Who do I believe?

>>53123250
You say that, but then a few posts back you guys were so proud that nijisanji consists of mostly part time streamers

>>53138811
I love how you guys still cling on to the idea that it's nijien that's the problem when between gundou, axia and mayu it's clear that the issues with Nijisanji extend across the pond as well

>>53139541
Believe in yourself, anon.

>>53139721
Still nowhere near as bad as NijiEN. For example, the main branch has only had two terminations in their entire history; (Shindo Raito for being a sexpest and Meiro for breaking NDA) while NijiEN is already on that mark with Zaion and Yugo only two years in. The main holo branch has had the same amount of terminations as Niji (Hitomi Chris and Rushia) despite having much less members.

>>53141048
If Yugo counts as a termination then gundou definitely does as well, and probably Axia too considering the way he graduated is very similar. And that's just the ones I know off the top of my head, I'm sure if we go down the list together we'll find more "graduations" that really aren't

>>53142496
Yugo didn't have a graduation stream, Gundou did. Axia didn't have one, but it's because he ragequit due to hating his fanbase, so it makes sense that he didn't want to have one.

>>53142496
>posts VR which isn't nijisanji and Taipei/shangai which are licensed branches that died after losing license
ah i see you are that faggot
and yugo nor mirei were terminations. yugo graduated in common accord and gundou decided to graduate herself after the suspension.

>>53143093
Yeah, a graduation stream that came after a two month "break", after which she immediately started streaming under a new account. If you think it was a graduation and not an ultimatum you might actually be retarded
Also
>he ragequit due to hating his fanbase
How is this better?

NijiEN isn't even that bad outside of having catastrophically awful management

>>53143185
Tell that to >>53141048
Who somehow counts Yugo as a firing but not gundou

>>53143966
It's the way they phrased it: "we have decided to have Yugo Asuma graduate", implying it wasn't his own choice and they were just embezzling it. That's not what happened with Axia and Gundou, they were the ones making the choice to retire.

>>53106328
Margin is leveling off. I look forward to the stock tumbling when it starts to decrease. I also look forward to all their shenanigans as they try to prevent that inevitable decrease.

>>53101713
>Is there anyway back for them?
ACCELERATE
Simple as
Never failed
Always worked

>>53110321
If it's not Shu, it's Mysta. For anyone with any experience with a corporate job, his recent rant about leaving him alone so he can just fucking play Star Rail is a huge blinking sign that he's burnt out and checked out.

Or hell, they could both leave.

>>53102939
Rosemi rape

If yugo already knew that he was going to leave and his stream before the “graduation” was going to be the last, why did they make him go on a 2 week break before the announcement???

>>53144404
Sounds more like they were chosen to retire to me

>>53143413
Axia had the right to do graduation streaming, he just had no reason to do it since his reason for retiring was to part ways with his fans in the first place.

>>53101713
And still made more money than cover
Lol
Lmao

>>53151564
So he hates he his fans so much he would rather graduate? How is this supposed to make NijiJP look good again?

>>53101713
You forgot.
>Mista is also going to graduate as well… and so as Selen.
>Vox stopped flirting with his viewers
>New heroes suck ass
This shit is going to burn soon. And I feel bad for Wave 1 and 2.

>>53117739

AAAAAAAAAA WHERE IS KUZUHAA Y DONDE ESTAS KANAE WHERE ARE THEY NIJIBROS

>>53106328
This anon loves the company itself, not the girls.

>>53117739
>JP

>Acceleration
>speedrunning both the good and bad parts of being a major corpo
In the course of a single year, we have seen NijiEN completely dominate by breaking into a new market and then the collapse of said market. NijiEN operates on a philosophy of burning twice as bright but for half as long. NijiEN in its current state is completely unrecognizable from 1 year ago and will be so in 1 year from now.

>>53153150
>only the girls
The guys are better desu

>>53151851
Why is the company your oshi?

>>53139721

- Mayu — creative differences; was going through depressive phases and decided it would be best to end his career on a good note; back to his PL as yamien and still hangs out with some niji members.

- Axia — unironically pulled a Hololive and got his ass eaten out because he collabed with honhima and his fans almost rivaled vox’s fan girls in terms of possessiveness.

- gundou — stated that she would leave niji if she stopped being able to do the things she wanted (lewd stuff, SKB, etc) and the baseball stuff managed to be her exit

I won’t defend Nijisanji since the obviously have a sizable chunk of problems but the examples given don’t exactly reflect their management problems as well as EN does, Mayu kept nearly all of his streams and Axia was still allowed to keep his voice drama with Eden-gumi up on the store; I’d really only argue with Gundou and maybe Raito if you really want to insult their screening back then.

>>53108860
Isnt this koshien buff?

>>53154161
Oh wow nijiniggers misrepresenting data to make themselves look better? What are the odds?

>>53153952
Gundou was fine, they're just snowflakes and she was too much of a gigastacy sigma female.

>>53121429

>>53154161
>>53154725
It's literally the best koshien numbers ever by a huge margin, but nijisanji is finished because of EN drama that didn't even affect the stock price, sure.

>>53101713
Mr. Bones Wild Ride never ends, I still think it's going downhill from here. I honestly feel bad for people like Pomu, Elira and Selen. Such a fucking horribly managed corpo and they still try to give a shit.
>t. nijinigger since lazulight

>>53155287
After almost 4 years watching Vtubers, I'm still waiting for ONE single post defending Nijisanji saying anything good about one of their organs instead of: "our company (not the livers) makes more money"

>>53155410
Because that's not the point of this thread? It's about doomposting EN and their fuckups and drama. The issue with EN is both their talents and management, while the main branch is much better in those regards, otherwise they wouldn't be getting record breaking viewership in their events.

>>53153186
anon, if you dont want "JP" to be mentioned, dont say nijisanji, say NijiEN instead. the only branch with any percentage of danger even if very small is NijiEN

>>53155404
>Pomu Elira Selen
wtf I don't remember writing this post. legit though, situation just makes me sad and I hope the few I care about can at least stay successful and happy. I'll add Rosemi and Maria to that list because they're cute

>>53155410
good thing the livers getting 80k and being coaches in koshien give them subs and viewership and they can use it as points to trade for outfits and other shit

>>53155404
>>53156642
cant wait for NijiEN to be shut down already for you faggots to stop talking about nijisanji. this is good becausse khyo, false and all dramaniggers will just ignore them too

>>53134905
There's no delusions in me fucking pecker. I hope you get set on fire by accident mf because you're brain isn't working right if you think EN won't have an impact on them. What a fucking moron.

Both the leaker and the EN talents have been making it obvious concerning management. Nina gave up more likely because of management then her overall inferiority complex about being a singer when she just started out. In the 2nd to last ethyria collab with the puzzles Nina was talking about not wanting to deal with managers and she stopped mid-sentence. Reimu quickly agreed with her and changed subjects.

>>53101713
Grim…

>>53104888
Holy fuck I missed so much drama and here I thought niji was just incompetent this is hilarious

>>53157618
They can shitcan EN and it would be still less disastrous than what happened between Cover and China. EN is only 20% of Niji's total revenue.

>>53138965
Your guess would be completely wrong.

>>53103799
>Ike, Luca, Vox, Shu, Selen & Rosemi at Japan Expo Paris July 13th
They speak French?

>>53135145
>Person who doesn't understand stock markets ignores all the problems listed to talk about the money he'll never touch instead
You'd make an excellent intern

>muh big koshien numbers
This again? I remember the last time nijifags were bringing up Maimoto's big koshien viewers numbers until people started to point out that he only were getting around ~$150 superchat for a 100k+ viewers stream, so Nijisanji became a joke for a while again. Someone else also said the streams were shared with a national TV channel, that's why they had such big numbers while no receiving superchats.

ITT: people moving goalposts each time they're shown they're wrong.
>En has a ton of conventions planned
>"d-doesnt count"
>jp is literally dominating the /#/s thread
>"d-doesnt count!"
>Stocks are soaring while covers are falling behind
>"D-DOESNT COUNT!!!"
you /#/fags are always so pathetic. What's the next goalpost you SEAniggers are gonna move?

>>53158779
It only counts when Holos have huge events, not Nijisanji.

>>53158779
Here's an example of what you would probably consider goalpost moving
>McDonalds is bad for you
>"No it's not, it's got tomatoes inside. Therefore it's healthy"
>That doesn't make it healthy, It's incredibly empty in nutrients and has high sodium
>"Then explain the onions"
>That still doesn't make it healthy
>"Moving goalposts are we? Guess we'll ignore why McDonalds is making record profits around the world"
>That's got nothing to do with McDonalds being unhealthy...
>"I'll accept your concession"

>>53104443
Cover leaving China will never be a bad thing, I hope the Chinese fucks that thought Hololive was going to collapse without their support, wake up mad every day that Hololive is still on top and growing.

>>53159316
Cope. Cover would make way more money than Anycolor and their stocks wouldn't be shit if they didn't get kicked out of China. Not to mention it caused them to lose their top superchat earner over it too.

>>53101713
>>Zaion getting fired but attempting a public assassination that failed
i still dont get what they were trying to accomplish here. Even if their accusations werent shaky it would have been massively unprofessional

>>53159426
Coco’s departure is sad no matter what, but I think it would’ve happened eventually depending on if Cover forced her to tone things down. Still, it’s hard to tell how much stocks really matter to Cover since they haven’t bowed down to shareholders yet, they still seem more talent focused for now than Anycolor, which is profit oriented to the detriment of their talents.

>>53153249
We’re only 60% or so through the year two. There’s still the possibility for more dumb shit to happen, or even more graduations/terminations. At least EN isn’t ID levels of unsalvageable right now.

>>53159704
My best guess is that it was a massive power trip on the part of the manager that was personally involved and no one gave enough of a shit to tell them they were being retarded.

>>53159704
It was clearly some kind of grudge

>>53158989
It'd be more like saying
>ORDERING A SALAD FROM MCDONALD'S IS BAD!!!
>"okay but how it's a salad"
>THEY MAKE BIG MACS WHICH ARE TRASH!
>yeah but it's not a big Mac
>"DOESN'T MATTER THEY MAKE BIG MACS AND THATS BAD!!!"
There's definitely flaws within the company and management but to state that it's been a "bad" year or anything similar is simply taking 1/30th of everything that's happened.
>First live 3D concert in the US
>more sponsorships than ever before
>more conventions than ever before
>stocks are soaring
>jp event is going extremely well
>JP members are literally doing an anime OPs
but I guess as per usual if you close your eyes and plug your ears the Boogeyman goes away

>>53159704
>>53159998
Maybe she shouldn't have liked comments shitting on her branch mates and calling Anycolor a black company. That's what caused them to go scorched earth on her. Gundou did some bad shit before too and they could've terminated her in the same way, but nothing on that level.

>>53159426
Because pandering to the Chinese did wonder to Nijisanji huh? Fuck off zhang, look at reality and stay mad.

>>53160440
You really skipped a ton of context for those comments intern-kun. Especially when Kyo kicked things off by agreeing with a random indie tuber on Twitter, sneak-dissing Zaion for jokes made during some Chilla’s Shart stream. He basically threw her under the bus first.
As for calling Anycolor a black company, I mean we already know for sure it is one now. It’s only a few notches above WACTOR at best, but there’s no reason to join either company now since NijiEN is declining hard, and it shows not only when you compare Luxiem to now, but also when you look at the new wave. Iluna had 200k subs just handed to them on debut for existing, that audience clearly left since then.

>>53160480
>losing Coco, big name sponsorships, game permissions and an entire branch over it was a good thing
Holocope

>>53160647
No price is too high to pay to cut off the cancer known as China

>>53160647
Keep repeating that, whatever makes you feel your life is less shitty, zhang.

>>53160110
It's nice you can come up with a list of positives but considering a large portion of those were rubbished, you immediately leap to saying "nah goalpost shifting, they're doing great, lemme write the list again", so what is the actual point of trying to argue with you? You've already made up your mind and just pocketed the majority of issues as minor infractions.
Seems when in doubt, the instinctive defense mechanism for Nijisanji fans is to talk about their financials and JP. No where in the OP or ITT minus a few brainlets did people say the company itself is going to die. We all know they're going to keep making money despite themselves.
But I can tell you from personal experience in the past that being a part of a company that is doing well financially doesn't mean "all is well". Otherwise there wouldn't be a leaker going around saying "more graduations are incoming from bad management". But hey-ho, let's keep pretending everything else is great and all complaints are invalidated because "money lmao".

>>53160646
If it's so justifiable as you say then why didn't she admit to it in her doc? Instead she misdirected to some other twitter crap that had nothing to do with it.

>>53160843
You're angry. I get it. You can't really come up with anything to prove any of what I said wrong and immediately default to
>i-it was rubbished
Half of those events literally just happened.
Including the concert which was a massive success and was actually live too!
also I love the whole
>Don't bring up financials or JP in a thread discussing a Japanese company and their year so far
M8, I hate to break it to you but when you say stuff like
>"X isn't doing good!"
people are going to bring up financials and when that company is a Japanese company, JP is gonna get brought up, especially when the entire reason this thread exists is because numberniggers are seething over losing their imaginary medals, again.
But please use your anecdotal experience to talk about how a company you aren't a part of is doing, it's surely more valuable than anything else I listed.

>>53102447
>Elira gets in
>gets her Hanamori utaite friends in
>among those is Enna
>Enna is massive cunt, yabs get more prominent from here
>soon takes over the clique from Elira
>it's now Enna's clique

>>53106328
global maxima spotted

>>53161646
And there it is. Once again, we've come back to my original point that your mind has been made up so no matter what argument someone tells you, you'll either just outright make things up or paint an entirely different narrative that had nothing to do with the original point. Points that were refuted and you just go "nah didn't happen" or "nah goalpost shifting". There is no point talking to you.

I understand though. You're a Nijisanji fan and people talking badly about the company you support ignites your need to defend a company you don't work for. Or maybe you do, that'd excuse the strange loyalty

It's just very interesting you're happy to talk about the financials but completely ignore low moral, cancelled projects, consistent leaks, horrible talent treatment, greedy company practices and so on in every reply to you. Says everything on the tin at that point.

>>53103799
Ah great, a bunch of dudes and the worst two of the worst female wave are at the dying anime conventions.

>>53157618
oh so you are an obvious retard. 80% of anycolor revenue is from NijiJP, the leaker and the members wont change anything, if it ever reaches a level they will be shut down if needed. Only NijiJP matters

>>53115841
Anon the fox and the sour grapes is an European fairy tale. Look it up

>>53163034
>every non-JP branch fails in Nijisanji
>every non-JP branch succeeds in Hololive

>>53115841

Driven by hunger, a fox tried to reach some grapes hanging high on the vine but was unable to, although he leaped with all his strength. As he went away, the fox remarked 'Oh, you aren't even ripe yet! I don't need any sour grapes.' People who speak disparagingly of things that they cannot attain would do well to apply this story to themselves

>>53161646
Doesn't niji management have better things to do then spend time /here/ failing at derailing? I mean I get that you get paid either way but it's just kinda sad. Did you think this was how you were going to spend your days when you got hired?

>>53162630
Your original point was
>that was made rubbish because I worked at a company once.
But sure if you wanna point by point breakdown I'll give you one
>low moral
Imma assume you meant morale? Nina's graduation hit hard but outside of that things have been pretty good. Shit pomu even got people to do an idol chant during her debut song to a massive audience live while performing in 3d, you wanna talk about a boost to morale, imagine being an idolfag and getting people to perform an idol chant you taught them. A lot of people are excited about the conventions they'll be in too, Paris especially is exciting for the people who'll be participating.
>Cancelled projects
You know that this happens in every corp, right? Kiara and ame both have bitched about it. It sucks but blame Japanese autism.
>Constant leaks
There's been 2 leaks and one I'm not sure was a leak and not just a lucky guess. We'll see if what they said is true but Nina's oshi mark was 777, her entire thing was "luck". Graduating on 777 not super unpredictable, especially coming from the girl who wrote an entire song about her imposter syndrome
>Greedy practices
You guys sure love the 2% thing, in reality though hololive has also confirmed that they make less money off generic merch than superchats. I love how numberniggers and SEAniggers also conveniently ignore that they get merch less often than voice packs which are a 50/50 split , minimum, and by Nina's own words were worth more than a months worth of superchats each.
As well as streamlabs which are a 50/50 split and superchats which are the same split as every other Corp. 30% to yt 50/50 split between talent and company. The people who have been in en for over a year brag about taking each other out to 8 course meals and eating items that cost $500 minimum. I sure wish I was doing bad enough to go on multi week vacations to other countries while not worrying about work or expenses.

But hey if you'd like to tell me again about how you worked a job once, I'd be happy to hear it. But tomorrow, for I am too tired to continue arguing with the SEAniggers that haunt the threads at these hours.

tldr lmao

>>53165534
It's not uncommon for big companies to hire people into PR to spread "positivity" within social media.
It's why so many companies have people post on job review sites to post positive reviews to counteract negative.
As shitty as it is, /vt/ is big so why wouldn't they have plants posting /here/? Though this one isn't doing a good job at making that inconspicuous.

>>53167189
Probably a new hire give him sometime I'm sure with practice he can hide that glow

>>53167189
yeah, we know cover bought jannies /here/ because it's really fucking obvious

>>53167572
Basically none of them do a good job at hiding it.
Case in point, the goober ITT

>>53104443
Leaving China and insulting China are only good things.

>>53158989
>food analogy
Do amerisharts really?

>>53170654
Your hatred for food analogies is like that one guy who complains about their being too many Greggs.
No one fucking cares, but you complain anyway.

>>53170654
>food anology is bad because.... Its just bad okay?

>>53104443
based cover lmao, fuck the chinks
love to see their vtubing industry still burning down

>>53101751
I see

>Koshien btfoing pekora in noombers
That explains why the monkeys are riled up.
NijiGODS can't stop winning.

>>53178137
>Koshien btfoing pekora in noombers
Now post the average numbers from the rest of the year

>>53178272
>Now post the numbers that gives my tribe the trophy
Save some copium for the rest of us brony chama.
Hope we another koshien thing during the ID reveals so we can crush that to.

And that's going into the grudgepost folder

>>53178658
>ennaposter
ah, I should have known.

>>53106328
>AAAAAAAAAAA YATCH YATCH YATCH, POOR NIJIS DON'T GET MONEY EVEN THOUGH I FUCKING HATE THEM
Why are /vt/sisters like this?
At this point this is just derangement

>>53180003
Nijiniggers oshi the company