/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

I love Panko.
I will always love Panko.
Not a day goes by where I don't think about how much I love Panko.

NIGGER

Wemi WUV

OK guys. I've been coming to the general every day for the past 10 weeks so that basically makes me an oldfag. I deserve a ritualpost but I don't know what to spam the thread with. Spoonfeed me ideas that would annoy you the most.

Airi...

>>53087772
Just post that.

>>53087772
I wonder how long this ritualpost will go

I miss pippa...
get well soon rabbit, we miss you

NO PIPPANTS
NO PIPPANTIES

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WByR5g0fIA4

>>53087748
>What a fucking degree! Geez, oh my god. What the fuck! Sorry, but what the fuck! What a fucking asshole!

Here, have a nose

>>53088004
I'm gonna cut it off

>>53088004
i dont like it

stinky

>>53088004
Looks like a Mr. Potato Head nose

>>53087813
She's still stick but resting!

>>53087967
>degrees!
>degrees!

>>53088062
She's going to try to stream tomorrow anyway!

i will get Ioriposter to breastfeed me

>>53088100
I will impregnate her so she can produce milk for you brother

>>53088085
Well good, she made several hundred dollars just typing responses so I hope she will come back for more

>>53088137
Is that Okayu

BAYCON

>>53088197
thats tenma

>>53087748
>gloomi can say nigger but nasa can't
how does she keep getting away with it

>>53088100
Anon... Ioriposter is a man.

>>53088100
>>53088129
YOU HEAR THAT YOU BPD CON TART
WE'RE COMING FOR YOU

>>53088207

>>53088100

>>53088326
litter a chur

>>49478105
Cool, why don't you tell me fish's cut from stream? Talents' cut from merch? The IP rights of invaders? Contract details? If the talent even know each others contracts or cuts? Your parasocial bonds with the talent who can't leave without losing their entire identity doesn't mean much objectively.

>>53088326
She pronounces it even worse now, she got too self-conscious about it.

>>53088555
I enjoy bullying panko about her english.

>they fell for the Italian grift
lol
lmao

>>53088023
What's the significance of this image? I don't know the full story. Lia did a cooking stream? She threatened cutting herself? She ruined her mom's knives? VOD removed? What happened? I have one knife that looks very similar to that one, so it intrigues me.

I thought the whole point of invaders is so the talents can keep their model so why did Yuri have to reincarnate when she went indie especially after spending thousands on her new model?
Is phase a black company that had them sign unfair contracts or something? Was it ever explained

>>53088656
She cooked a spider and ate it, the VOD should still be up

>>53088645
I'm terrified that Remi will reveal herself as wh*te instead of SEA one day.

>>53088656
she said "be careful and dont.. cut yourself." and then she held the knife like that for a lingering second staring at it
It was a subtle weird moment

>>53088645
They don't even know she's actually a 32yo woman

>>53088689
You couldnt give me enough subs to do that. Respect

>>53088554
the lack of people that care is the reason everything, from the internet to real life, is shit nowadays, shit on the japs all you want but thinking like you is what killed both reality and the internet

>>53088827
meant for >>53088643

>>53088827
When did I "shit on japs," exactly?

>>53088643
Well, yeah, maybe? Depends what your objective is. Is Pippa a real Vtuber? Or is she just a dramatuber using a Vtuber skin? Answering that question is the key to understanding the audience she attracts, their behavior, and her potential growth.

does nasa want lewd art of herself? the drawing she's making of herself is pretty sex

>>53088877
I'm not condemning them for it, merely pointing out putting that on Pippa is beyond absurd.

>>53088952
She has said on more than one occasion that she loves butts

>>53088506
But does she want them gone? Why? It's her fanbase after all, they like her, and she likes them back, they pay the bills as well.

>>53088934
As tired as the analogy is, it's obviously a spectrum. Do you harbor the same ire for Coco?

>>53089060
I don't hate Coco at all. I barely know her. I also don't understand the apparent hate for Kson.

~a little bit of tenma in your heart~

>>53089137
nah, im good

>>53087959
Is this done by seething femanon?

Is Phase Connect Coffee good for you?

>>53089184
nyaru

>>53089166
why anon....

>>53089137
The undisputed Leader of Phase Connect.

>>53089019
Nice

>>53089049
Pippa’s been visibly frustrated with chat recently, but you make a good point: they send the supas and they like her, so she can’t bring herself to bonk them when they act up.

>>53089237
I only have enough room for Michiru.

おやすみ~
good night~

>>53089270
true and based

>>53089351
Goodnight Nasaposter

Feet connect.

>Jerk off while drunk to blueberry inflation of my oshi
>lightning strikes my house shortly after cumming

>>53089351
sleep well, lil dragon

>>53089049
And they'll be the reason that she'll get fired eventually, she attracts too many bad actors from every side of the internet, and the more she grows the more it becomes a liability that will doom her.
Just look at the whole camefag shit, totally avoidable had she shaken off the parts of the community that are not in touch with vtubing, another big one was the whole gunt saga, if he was just a little less retarded he could have eternally kneecapped her career and she would have been either fired already or worse, killed herself

>>53089351
>no jumpscare at the end
thanks

>>53089351
Goodnight Nasaposter

>>53089351

i want to change Wemi's diapers

>>53089421
Yeah, you just have a political grudge. None of your shit makes any sense.

>>53089237
Wao

>>53089416
God let you off with a warning.
The question is, will you fuck around again?

tenma feet when?????

>>53089421
I think the gunt shit is what made her popular...

>>53089293
Roundhouse kick a harine into the concrete.

>>53089543
Uruka invites this sort of activity and I will not stop, nor will I apologize.

>>53089564
Moisturizing Tenma's pigeon toes while she complains...

Why can't she stop touching herself?

catch

>>53089655
I wouldn't want to stop touching her either.

>>53089624
Better make that last crank count then, nigga.

>>53089564
it's never gonna happen...

>>53089543
I’m the real lightning anon. I will always want Uruka to swell up like a blueberry. The big cheese can cry about it. I AM THE STORM THAT IS APPROACHING!

>>53089657

>>53089530
do you really think any of that was unavoidable?
>>53089570
unfortunetly, real monkeys pawn moment for her, she's a good girl but a real headache for those that care about her

>>53089705
i still believe anon....

>>53089624
There is no way she doesn't have a notebook of phrases like this.

Saturday night without Erin, am killing myself.

>>53089421
And now where getting close to gunt and cucketta teaming up to go after phase

>>53089726
Nice catch

>>53089716
Ride like lightning you're gonna crash like thunder...

>>53089806
retart

>>53089871
????

>>53089293
The grift is only thing that matters to her now and been that way for quite a while. She's not about to tell the simps to behave themselves or get banned from her place, because cash is the only thing that matters. Se has turned into a rather sloppy person in everyway imaginable it seems. I would really wish she would go back to being the Pippa we all liked instead of someone going through her second childhood a 4th damn time.

>>53089293
Visibly frustrated when? Because she made a single comment, "why are there so many coomers?" In my opinion chat has behaved more or less the same in the last 6 months, with a small temporary increase in activity around wizard game (February) but otherwise I feel it's been pretty much the same since January. I think she could make improvements when dealing with chat (stop reading many small supas and birthdays) but I don't see she being any more frustrated than usual (for 6 months at least).

>>53089806
Gunty can barely organize a bowling tournament or keep a marriage together. Near zero chance he even realizes that Pippa is in a corporation.

>>53089829
Nice throw

17 streams
0 talent

>>53089806
If it actually happens and they stir enough shit that'll be the end of her, not because of affecting her directly, but it will become too much of a liability, I pray for it to never happen
I love that retard, but sometimes I wish Tenma would literally beat sense into her

>>53089570
I won’t deny that’s what made me away of her way back then. It takes time for people to understand the way things work, and harines seem to be a revolving door, not really that subscriber retention she used to be so famous for anymore.

Pippa love~!

Dont you get tired of perpetually seething an~on?

>>53090140
N-no!

Sometimes I wonder if the Yuri posters are one guy who's replying to himself over and over

>>53090187
yes but its not one guy, its Yuri

enough doomposting, 'm eepy
gn retards
get well soon rabbit, and please listen to your genmates a little more
>>53090140
Pippa love anon, you've always been my favorite regular, thanks for keeping up

[Lia, Airi, Shiina, and Uruka News] Collab tomorrow

>>53089737
Mii-chan is quite the catch, but I’m not interested in her feet. I want to see the booty

>>53090187
I support him. /tsunx/ is mostly invaders

>>53090187
I remember asking once what kept them coming back here [i forgot what they said.../spoiler]

>>53090250
Goodnight Capipi

>>53090250
sleep well, lil capipi

>>53089570
It is, and it's disingenuous to pretend otherwise. She liked that attention because then she was comparatively small, nowadays she doesn't need that same attention, she just need a stable viewer base.
>>53090034
It's impossible to maintain subscribers as viewers. Just look at Gura. How many of those millions of subscribers actually view her stuff. It's the same with every creator on Youtube. The actual number of consumers is always going to be smaller than your subscriber base; the reason they don't unsubscribe is because it's just easier to keep subscribed, and many subscribers still feel like they help the creator by keeping their subscription.

>>53089421
You are blowing things massively out of proportion, nothing that's happened or is going to happen is going to get her fired.

>>53090269
Asians don't have booty

>>53090187
He's cute.

>>53090250
Goodnight Capipi

>>53090322
I believe in the hapa booty

>>53090313
See >>53090018 Please understand, dead hours, some people just revel in imagining drama.

>>53089421
If Gunt wasn’t so retarded, she wouldn’t have chosen him as a victim. Before the retards start screeching, he and Chrischan probably deserved it. The point remains that Pippa is and always has been a weak white trash bully. Destined to be bullied herself by any white trash stronger than her, but like all bullies only selecting her own victims from those incapable of fighting back.

>>53090322
Simply untrue

>>53090262
So now they will finally talk about what they did together.

>>53090455

>>53090454
kys

>>53090313
>>53090379
sorry, I was just doomposting, get's a little tiring seeing her get into meaningless shit for no reason

even if it's what made pippa popular, i still think she should get rid of the newfags.
they do far more harm than good.

>>53090322
ive worked on my booty i have a nice one

its been days since jelly
im sad

PINK WOMAN BAD!!!

>>53090455
Oh my word

>>53090532
Take a fucking chill pill, it's just the Internet.

>>53090559
This but ironically.

>>53090559
she is getting fired tomorrow for sure this time

>>53090569
you like that? check this

>>53090546
Whatever you say femanon

>>53090620
I hate Fishman.

>>53090656
How many months have you been waiting?

>>53090546
post it

>>53090546
Proof??

>>53090577
you're right, I just get a little worked up when there's nothing happening, thanks anon

>>53090673
I didn't love Wemi enough to overcome my fear of having sexy loli's in my house but I hate gacha.

>>53090546
Fuck off Shiina

>>53090187
there's me (the fish launcher), the guy who catches the fish, and the guy who fills in for us but uses randomized filenames
there might be a fourth but he's either not active during my hours or he doesn't do anything distinct enough

>>53089351
Nasa no if you turn out the lights it will be black!

>>53090858
Nasa should staple her eyelids open to prevent any blackness from ever entering her vision.

Goodnight /pcg/

>>53090904
Goodnight Michiposter

>>53090904
nighty night user of magicks

Double Airi tomorrow!

>>53090853
I post when I can but wagie life takes over

>>53090187
There's at least 20 of us

>>53090454
Based

i like the yubiposters
they're cute

>>53090904
Goodnight Michiposter

>>53090262
grim

>>53091034
We are unnumbered

>>53090904

>>53090917
>>53090960
>>53091085

>>53090454
Gunt is a middle aged man who argues for a living, Pippa is a borderline disabled autistic young woman, who was living in abject poverty at the time.

After hours of research and investigation, I was able to find out Panko's secret discord. As expected, it is her italian friends and has nobody from phase connect.

>>53091126
And you too.
>>53091133

>>53090904
Gn michiposter
Im gonna probably eeep too honestly, so I can fix my sleep schedule. Luv Airi!

>>53091174
You would have found this in 5 minutes had you listended to me

>>53091174
proofs!?

>>53091228
Goodnight Airihead

>>53091243
I did, that's how I even found it in the first place.

I bet Sleepy is really cute in real life.

>>53091228
nini airihead

>>53091228
Goodnight airhead

>>53089421
>if he was just a little less retarded
If xalamon is willing to ip grab miia with an embed in a pdf for a joke I wonder what would happen when it isn't a joke.

Based. One of Panko's old league teams was named KKK

>>53091228
nighty night airihead

>>53091286
Did you find the juicy stuff yet?

>>53089405
I actually have nicer feet and I'm a man. Pankos feet are genuinely weird looking honestly. Mine are far more aesthetic.

I love these little tards like you wouldn't believe. https://twitter.com/jellyhoshiumi/status/1677921239912857601

>>53091412
Yeah, I didn't know Panko had bangs

>>53091174
Wouldn't that just be a private discord for friends

>>53089405
Pippa has nicer feet

>>53091493
That's exactly what it is

>>53091479
based Jelly

>>53091174
Why tho?

>>53091496
grim

>>53091554
It is the kiwi's nature.

>>53091326

Xalamon is a faggot.

>>53091519
That's kinda fucked up

>>53091326
Why does Phase employ doxers?

I'm an olderfag than 99% of the posters in this general, I've been here since the Kevin days, but what the fuck is a harine? I browse the general every few weeks or so and this is the first time I've seen the term. Explain it to me if you don't mind

>>53091482
Post it if you are truly my nigger

>>53091677
it's a racial slur

>>53091677
kys

>>53091640
If that's what he can show on stream for the sake of "education" I wonder what he and other major doxfags can do.

>>53091677
Moushou Harine-desu!

>>53091677
>olderfag
ok kid

>>53091677
I doubt this, but a failed attempt at a Pippa fan-name change.

I'm an olderfag than 99% of the posters in this general, I've been here since the Kevin days, but what the fuck is a pipnig? I browse the general every few weeks or so and this is the first time I've seen the term. Explain it to me if you don't mind

>>53091780
it is the fusion of hare and marine.

>>53091677
Pippa once accidentally called someone a hairy nigger on stream

>>53090546
>>53090795
Based Shiina.

>>53091840
>accidentally

>>53091677
Fuck off tourist

>>53091840
Yeah, me

>>53091685
No. I will spare you the same heartbreak I just went through

>>53091840
Post it.

>>53091961
>I will spare you the same heartbreak I just went through
Bullshit. Why did you post the discord then? Go back to the farms nigger.

>>53091924
imagine the smell

It’s very late. Should I go to bed yet? Should I post some more?

>>53092125
when you're sleep-deprived you make worse posts (source: i made it up)

>>53092073
It's because there's a guy in the photo

>>53091174
everyone has a discord server for friends

>>53092125
I am going to bed. I want to post, but I'm tired.

>>53092125
NINI

>>53092226
>friends

doing my uruka vod clip reps and shes a lia licker

>>53092226
Implying that everyone has friends...

>>53092125
Get some sleep Doremu
>>53092256
Goodnight Pankophile

>>53092125
Having good rest is important. But I’m staying up since I don’t work til tomorrow so goodnight doremu
>>53092256
Goodnight pankophile

>still excited for Lia to play Ocarina of time and Majora’s Mask but remembers it will be a while before she plays them

>>53092496
>He thinks she's going to get to them

>>53091961
A true nigger don’t spare his niggers from the truth

>>53092226
Haha…

>>53092519
Shut up, Lia. I only want you to give them a shot because the Zelda series is one if the only few video game series that means something to me.

>>53092125
>avoiding tasks
Pretty sus if you ask me

I want Hime to sit on my face and toot

>>53092734
Go to sleep Hime

>>53092522
You heard it here first. Panko will take a vacation the 2nd week of September to go on a trip with her boyfriend

>>53092226
Discord is garbage

>>53091677
oh freaking sweet lois a new ritual post

Sweaty gamer, Da Michi
i want to lick her hand sweat

>>53092835
It's good for voice chatting and messaging friends. It's the people who use it as a social media that are a problem.

>>53091840
Pippa would never say such a horrible word, she's a good girl

>>53093036
Anti please stop.

>>53092734
It’s cute image. Get off mu back. Goodnight for real this time, bros.

>>53093161
Goodnight Doremu

Lets be real Pippa wants to keep collabing with all these people.
Camelot, Rekieta, Leafy, Donut Operator, Sargon.
Its what she likes and this is the type of content she wishes she could do more of in the future. Losing a branch of them not just for collabs but in an act of disrespect hurts her most.

>>53093161
nighty night doremu

>>53093161
I agree, it’s a cute image
Goodnight Doremu

>>53093211
God Yuri looks so warm, soft and fluffy...
I want to hug her tight

>>53093320
you got cat on the brain
it's terminal
someone post the image of her with her mouth open gnawing on something

>your phase oshi will never treat you like picrel
Where did it all go wrong?

Pippa deserves to be loved.

>>53093356
I don't know exactly which one you are talking about, but here's a Lepr with a Lepr

>>53093421
it's one of the little gremlin sketches, it's on that guinea bee edit with absolutely everything trying to eat the balls on top of the antennae

>>53093373
Pippa is the girl you really liked but she gravitated towards a bad crowd and it left you broken and dejected.

Tenma should punch me in the chest

>>53093482
This is the original one someone posted a few months ago. It's easy enough to remove the spoiler and edit her onto something

>>53093559

>>53093546
Saved

>>53093546
thanks bro

>>53093482
>>53093546 (me)
Found my other version

>>53093546
>>53093625

>>53093358
>he doesn't know
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWnI96EID0g

Why is everyone trying to dox panko?

>>53093596
Guineabee is an overpowered summon. Stop playing /pcg/ wrong, you'll ruin the experience.

>>53093830
Fuck off shiina

>>53093818
Lots of pankoposters in the thread that people want to bait. Also she takes a lot of breaks and that's enough to set off any schizo.

>>53093754
I wonder if she still wears the necklace with the rings the doremus chose

>>53093849
You didn't really post if you used summons.

>>53094021
Kek

Looking forward to Jelly next week. Looking forwards to Lumi tomorrow.

>>53093951
She says she does. I feel like she mentioned it recently but I don't remember when.

>>53093849
No but really tho that shit two hits the final bait. Godamn unbalanced.

>>53094149
Jelly is dead. Embrace alice

>>53093516
You should punch Tenma on the chest

>>53094238
I can still see her down there, she's clearly alive

>>53093237
Hope they all keep ridiculing her.

>>53093818
How would you feel if you were lied to for a year and found out your oshi was nothing but a fake liar?

>>53094238
I bet Alice has a huge pair of honkers underneath that fur.

>>53094350
Context?

>>53094350
Lumi would never lie to me

>>53094364
Not as big as her cock

>>53091496
In time, it we be revealed that Uruka is phase's feet queen.

>>53094369
Vague posting. He isn't going to tell or show you shit.

>>53094377
I expect Lumi to lie to me

Feel like shit, just want her back.

>>53094606
Switch to another dying girl.

>>53094606

>>53094606
It’s going to be ok. She’ll be back

>>53094606
I understand, I felt like that on the 4th. She'll be back on Tuesday...

>>53094606
Who's that?

>>53094606
Switched over to gura already

>>53095007
A beautiful soul

i'd be ok with it if pippa didn't come back to streaming

>>53095086
YOU RAPED ME

>>53095113
Well it's a good thing I don't care what you think

Why are people acting like Pippa is dead? It's been a week.

HOLY FUCK I CAN'T BELIEVE PIPPA'S DEAD

Pippa the R.I.P.pa...

>>53094364
Should I post THAT image?

Pippa's dead. I was there when it happened.

>>53095329
No

>check out Shiina's Witcher 3 vods.
>literally never stopped talking about random stuff
>zero investment in the game
bruh.....

>>53095329
Please don’t

>>53095289
That's what we said with Gura. And noone has seen or heard from her since...

>>53095386
Hard to care about a game you already played once before

vroom vroom

>>53095329
You wouldn't dare

>>53095329
What image?

>>53095113
Agreed

bump limit

>>53095455

>>53095445
Amazing soundpost Doremu

>>53095445
Haha! Look at her go!

Sex with Pippa!

z

>>53095558
Goodnight Doremu

>>53095445
I want to get into a high speed chase driving this car

>>53095558
NINI

>>53095558
Doremu no

>>53095558
NINI Doremu

This soundpost makes me laugh like a retard, I don't know why.

i am starting my home bodyweight routine now. which tenma vod should i watch while i do it

>>53095680
It's Panko's "mmm mmms" that do it for me

lia fang

I want a Lia blow job

>>53095803
Thank God it's not a fleshfang.

>>53095680
KEK this and wemitosmoothyoursoul sound post are my favorite

How do you stop being emotionally invested in vtubers? I always end up hurt.

>>53095834
How about a Lia themed blowjob from a bro

>>53095934
Sorry, Don't swing that way

>>53095910

>>53095910
You’ll eventually get burnt enough times to stop goslinging too hard for chuubas

>>53095910
Always be aware of how parasocial you're getting, and distance yourself from whichever vtubers you need to for a while

Women should consider being calle a pick-me a badge of honour desu

>>53095910
You don't. Vtubers especially were designed to get you emotionally invested in them and it's a major reason why they're enjoyable Good books, TV, and movies are like this too

>>53095910
Fall in love with a fictional character

>>53096039
This. Be as schizo as you need they can take it and they won't even really care after a day or two of seeing it.

I miss Wemi

>>53096515
Uooooh wemi

Button:
>You get the perfect personality chuuba to be your oshi in gen3
BUT
>She's British, full blown NORF accent
Do you press it?

>>53094606
School girl Pippa is incredibly dangerous for my heart.

>>53096608
Yes. The world needs a true slagtuber

>>53096608
Neppie?

>>53096608
Finally, a chuuba outside of Jelly who fills the dead hours

NINI

>>53096608
>/pcg/ hypothetical
>There is no downside
Many such cases

>>53096823
Oyasumi wemiphile

>>53095910
Just stop watching them for 2 weeks or so and most parasocial feelings will fade away. The emotional investment is extremely reliant on FOMO.

>>53096823
Goodnight Doremu

>>53096823
Goodnight Doremu

>>53096783
I wonder if fish runs into chargeback issues seeing as how he doesn't even order production runs until a product is off the site.

>>53095987
Fake liker and tourist.

>>53096608
>Comfy stream, all going well
>Sudden noise of a door opening in the background
>She gets nervous and quieter
>Suddenly the door to her room opens, you can hear an obese person tumbling around
>"IT'S CAMMING HOOOOOOOME TOIME TO SCOR SOM FACKIN GOOOOALS"
>"NO TANGO NO"
>Noises of a person being punched, slapped, and belted keep being heard with her blood curdling screams
>Stream ends immediately

New bread?

>>53097042
You're the last one I expected to ask that.

>>53097037
Lies and slander, Tango is a good lad who would never beat his missus

>>53097037
Kino

>>53091677
Pippa's nu good goy fanbase after she abandoned /pcg/ yesterday
Like Lia trying to rebrand Likers as Liacons after her 3rd redebut as a loli.

>>53097037
HE'S COMING HOME

>>53097037
>>53097114
>>53097192

>>53096608
https://voca.ro/1b6GaTr37E2X

>>53097092
he's the only one that asks for new bread

>>53097223
The Qataris forcing him to wear a shirt was criminal

You fucks better have made the carbonara

>>53097223
I wanna sniff the area around Hime's heart chest mark.

>>53097419

Goodnight /pcg/

>>53097364
Vocaroo anon oh how I missed you. Don't worry I'll have some new fanfiction for you to read. I got side tracked and honestly forgot to finish Rinmama x Rindog Part 2.

>>53097405
i made carbonara except instead of pasta i used rice

>>53097468

>>53090034
>>53090309
Pippa has made bad choices in the past couple months and losing her audience retention is a sign of worse to come. Dismissing this painful reality is an arrogant copium-laced mistake that leads to disaster down the road.

Pippa insists on interrupting the flow of streams by reading every 2 dollar superchat. A major turn off that makes people watch someone else who knows how to handle a crowd.
Pippa has been phoning it in with watchalongs and react content.

The new fans are of a weaker stock. They refuse to hold Pippa accountable for her mistakes and excuse her bad social behavior and her bad eating habits and bad self-care behavior. They have influenced the core audience to adopt these permissive lazy behaviors too. There has also been a lack of core fans correcting the new fans that used to happen a lot.

Finally, Pippa has become too soft. Her tweets excusing Camelot's behavior as not understanding vtuber culture is solid proof of her meekness. Not only soft towards other people but soft towards herself, she has let herself go and the dental trip, if true, may be the pain she needs to remind her.

Pippa used to have the strongest audience retention. Now it's below par. She lost that. Now she needs to make a few changes before she loses everything else.

>>53097522
Airi rape

Gomenasai, i don't know how to read.

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>>53097489
grim