/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>52492161
PTSD lmao

>>52492161
Vshojo still alive?

>>52492628
Currently not burning down like Niji

>>52492161
LMAO OPENLY ADMITTING THAT SHES MENTALLY ILL

>>52492161
kson save her please

>>52492668
t. seething cuck

>>52492161
If you watched streams you would know that she had already announced that she would not be there

>>52492161
That's hilarious

>>52492161
kill yourself vdrone

>>52492161
>all my mental illnesses started in 2022
Uh huh I'm sure

>>52492161
Poor girl. I know people here will say menhera but when I see her crying nazuna face I can't help but feel pity. And I still don't know what SPECIFICALLY she revealed that she wasn't supposed to, all I got were generalities of "she broke NDA" like yeah what exactly did she say, word for word? Best of luck to you Miguel Gato.

Nazuna's staying it seems
Damn it. Oh well.

She is so cute, bros...

>>52492161
YAGOO please save her..

>>52492161
BVTM slide thread. Remember to remind them that Pippa is a grifting whore

>>52492845
Kek

>>52492896
He's the one that made her mentally ill in the first place

>>52492918
This

LEAVE MIKENEKO ALONE

>>52492918
schizo

>>52492161
>PTSD
What war did she serve in?

>>52493132
the war of sucking mafumafu's dick

>>52492838
Keep seething rratfaggot your whore will never love you

>>52492856
Try looking up the statement she released as Miguel if you care to, the replies has an English translation as well if you can't moon.

>>52492161
>PTSD
what

What are the BVTM trannies trying to cover up this time?

>>52492692
She has for awhile. Have you tho?

>>52492668
Rent free

>>52493132
Multiple wars: against herself, against her boyfriend, against her manager, against her fanbase, against her former colleagues, etc...

>>52493361
You're right. Niji talents need to live rent free with that 2% they get from merch

The plappening deflection thread

ITT anons pretend not to know what ptsd is

>>52493360
Nice projection faggot, thankfully i'm able to distinguish between worthless shit and actual important things in life

>>52493247
If what Michael Cat says is true, then to me it seems like Cover overreacted. This could have been a long suspension, not a termination.

>>52493489
>posting in /here/
>implying

>>52493489
You clearly have anger issues, probably autism too.

>>52493609
>>52493630
Sez u

>>52493563
The termination was for PR; her breach of contract was just what they used to put an end to the shitshow. Cannot have that when holofes is around the corner and you got an IPO coming up.

So we all agree that Cover is a black company, right?
Don't even try to deflect by bringing up Niji.

>>52494168
Yes but niji is still blacker

>>52494168
Cover being a shitty company dosent change the fact that niji is even worse and is run by the goddam ccp

>>52494168
>>52494214
>>52494223
Mike doesn't hate Cover, cope more

>>52494260
Yes she does. They lied about her and gave her PTSD.

>>52493760
Hard to believe that eliminating a PR issue that would have likely faded away after a few months was worth losing Rushia's revenue permanently. IPO or not.

>>52494334
Their entire brand would be tarred if they kept her. They can't afford a boyfriend rumor.

>>52492692
Don't twist her words because you're mentally ill piece of shit yourself.

>PTSD

>>52494293
>>52494505
fuck off retard

>>52494168
>So we all agree
No.

>>52494334
This stuff doesn't fade away. Just look how many antis she still got and now imagine how many there would be if she was still someone of relevance. It hurts the brand image too much and reflects badly on the management. Not something investors want.

>>52494334
Going by the shareholder suggestions thing from the other day, it's more believable than you think

>>52492774
Most likely the majority who will be replying here do not watch Nazuna anyways. Some of them have already shown how twisted and depraved they are to delight in someone's misery.

>>52494538
HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Her hustle and grift are legendary

>>52492896
He's the trash that destroyed her. The fucking hypocrite.

>>52494652
Which shareholder suggestions are you referring to? I saw a few on this thread but not all

Holy shit the mikedefenders are proving how cucked they are...
hilarious

>>52493132
You don't know what PTSD means do you?

>>52492380
>>52493132
>>52493289
>>52494543
The war hasn't been going well bros...

>>52494168
>We
If you mean Keydiots then yeah you're right to assume that, actual intellectuals? lol no

>>52494706
Don't know the details, but it was excerpts from the publically held meeting Cover had the other day. Wouldn't be surprised if there were outside interference in this instance too

>>52493132
Ukrainian invasion

>>52493563
Luckily she's never lied!

>>52493489
You haven't though because here you are talking shit about Nazuna that's becoming evident has done nothing to you while you relish in her misery. You're unable to distinguish what actually is important in your life. You're what I call a fake fuck.

>>52493132
Alien invasion, she had a lot of face to face contact with an alien and that probably gave her PTSD

>>52492161
If she came to US I could cure her PTSD and depression on the spot by making her crymax and unleashing the contents of my balls on her tiny tits

>>52494168
To everyone except fanboys of Cover. Fanboys will never acknowledge it. However, Cover is not as bad as kurosanji though if we look at what's happened in the last 24 hours. Multiple ID members will be leaving it's very evident for anyone to see what a piece of garbage company they are more so than ever then prior years.

Ever since they jumped into the stock market they've become worse and worse while for Cover it hasn't been that way except the firing of Rushia and other note worthy members like Coco and Mel.

>>52495084
Sorry i had to reread your ESL rant to understand your shit english, no anon I have decided, Making fun of losers on the internet IS important to me.
The difference is that I don't let it affect me anymore than maybe you feel about your oshi being retarded.

>>52494293
She's Japanese so those words won't come out of My Rushia's mouth. She might say resent them for letting her down is about the most negative thing she would say about that piece of shit yaguu.

>>52492380
Whatever mental disease it is she shouldn't be allowed on a plane

>>52495269
>Making fun of losers on the internet IS important to me
You are in a bait thread shitting on people. You have no room to call anyone a loser.

>>52495355
Sez u

>>52494168
How/why is Cover a black company? Because Michael Katze was too retarded to set her Discord account to DND, then went on to doxx her co-workers to some random dramatuber? How is any of that Cover's fault?

>>52494641
The cockroaches are around because she got fired. Those monsters would of gone away over time like those with Coco. After the 4th and 5th anniversary concerts it would of been less and less.

>>52492161
why would anyone want a non-english speaking chuuba on a con in NA?

Plappa Plapkin deflection thread

>>52495398
>Because Michael Katze was too retarded to set her Discord account to DND
Her account was set to streamer mode, there was a Discord bug with GTA and the overlay function.
>then went on to doxx her co-workers to some random dramatuber
Never happened. You should take rrats less serious.

>>52494591
No you fuck off holodrone.

>>52495398
Because she was fired for a discord notification, retard.
She never doxxed anyone.

>>52495482
Are you seriously so mentally deficient that you forgot that she got fired because the Dramatuber she went to to doxx her co-workers and talk about company internals had more spine and consciousness than her and contacted Cover about the stuff she said to him? And that's why she got fired? That and nothing else? lmao

>>52495402
No, they were the ones who were causing all the trouble already before the termination.

>>52495571
kill yourself schizo

>>52495482
>went on to share sensitive information of the company to some dramatuber
But this did happen and we all saw it happen in real time, do you think they should've just closed both eyes on it?

>>52495582
Are you retarded? Korekore literally said she never named anyone and refused to go into details

>>52494713
Oh look it's a loser who lets Mike live rent free in his deranged head so in his pathetic attempt to justify his stupid words tries to mock her fanbase saying they been cucked even though as retarded as you are you don't know what the word actually means you just say it to get a rise out of us while pretending you know what it actually means meanwhile she's remained single and still is as I write this.

>>52495643
The sensitive information was only sensitive in a way because it amplified the drama and not because of the content of it.

>>52495571
>Ignoring the fact that Cover released a statement defending her the first time until they found out she was leaking to the dramatuber.

Miguel Gato audience proving they're just as menhera as their Oshi, nice

>>52494880
Do you know what the person wrote? I am curious because you used the word intellectual and there's no way you're one based on the question asked.

>>52495709
???????
They were already aware of that, you idiot. They mentioned it in the first statement to keep the door open in case they would need to close it later on.

>>52495696
"It didn't hurt anyone" is not an excuse for being an untrustworthy contractor who willingly breaks the terms and shares information to outsiders to save their own skin.
They simply could no longer employ her after that because she had proven to be unreliably and untrustworthy.

>>52495709
They never defended at any point. Their first statement was just adding onto the slander and basically said "congrats on having a bf we are ok with that".

>>52495662
>she's remained single
So she's not in a relationship with you.

>>52495269
Not only a freakin legit schizophrenic but a genuine loser too.

Wouldn't it be better for her mental health to go outside and spend time with friends/focus efforts on events, instead of stewing in her misery at home alone?

>>52495398
wtf are you talking about? HAHAHA fucking out of date anti what is this shit?

>>52495846
Firing someone for that is immoral.

>>52495789
Because she had already leaked everything by then. Do you think that even if she didn't say anything at all they would have fired her for the discord notification?

>>52495924
She is the most miserable when she's not talking to her fans. They are the most important thing to her in the entire world.

>>52496008
Based

>>52495964
>firing someone for breaking contract is immoral
Kek what, anon have you ever had a job that's not burgerflipping?

>>52495846
You are being way too excessive and are actively ignoring the circumstances.

>>52492628
They still have the most popular EN VTuber on Twitch, so yes, they are still very much alive

>>52492161
I think they might need a concierge or something if they want to get her to go. The stress of travel is huge, and international travel even moreso.

The Nazuna Defense Force is hilarious. She will collab with rpr on stream and you will love it

Can anyone give me the lowdown on what Pippa did for the Rushia slide threads to get spammed again?

>>52496045
Contracts are not the law. Companies always give second chances especially to valuable employees. Rushia was the top talent at the time.

>>52492161
vshojo gets the same level of help they give her

>>52495980
They fired her because it was the fourth time she was using her official account for anti-company work.
1. Spreading lies about mistreatment by management but not showing receipts to korekore - she was caught and told by management to stop.
2. Using official discord to try to get personal info from korekore about an artist from the industry - she was caught and warned by management to stop
3. Spreading lies to narukami about a senpai bullying her - she was given a final warning to stop.
4. After the discord notification (that very conveniently appeared when she was trying to coerce that twink into a relationship) she again used her official account to communicate to korekore after management specifically told her to lay low till the office reopened and the staff returned to work.

>>52495854
That's just you imagining malicious intentions.
It's not their job to find out who she is dating or not. The "we don't care" was a response to the shitposting towards Cover calling for them to fire her for having a boyfriend which clearly disproves the idea that they were bothered by the content of the discord notification. They even had threatened legal actions against people who went to harass her in that statement.
Cover didn't give a shit about the mafu dude, they gave a shit that she just started taking matters in her own hands in the dumbest way possible and breaking contract and clear upper managerial instruction to not talk to the dramatuber instead of just sitting still.

>>52495662
KEK
Does sending pms to her paypigs using her model begging for money not count as being cucked
Or maybe her vtuber boyfriend would be a better example...
Anyways I wouldnt be suprised if she had to perform sexual acts in order to mantain her position as a streamer
>>52495912
It could be worse, I could be as delusional as a mikeneko supporter

>>52496323
>she again used her official account to communicate to korekore
She always used her personal account though. She only used her company account to talk to mafumafu.

>>52496045
NTA, but the whole incident was just blown to ridiculous proportions. Such breaches occur all the time. This is the entertainment industry and not the military or something. You get a fine for the damages you caused and a suspension. You get the boot when the boot accomplishes what it needs to. In this case it ended the drama for Cover and cleared them of anything related to it.

HOW MANY KEKS DOES MIKE HAVE
THOUSANDS, THOUSANDS
HOW MANY KEKS RUN DEFENSE FORCE
ONE THOUSAND A DAY

>>52496323
half of your shit is made up tho

>>52496200
That is entirely up for the company to decide. They decided she no longer was trustworthy to keep around sensitive information and could no longer maintain a working relationship with her.
>second chance
Did you even see what kore leaked. She already had instruction to not talk to him since Christmas of 2021. You don't even know how many chances she had.

>>52496484
Kore leaks showed nothing serious at all other than Cover staff harassing her which obviously won't be fixed if brought up internally.

>>52495582
That's you and every other dumb fuck who only regurgitate shit you hear and never from any actual sources themselves. It's always funny to laugh at retarded anti's even when they try to bring in korekore and try to use him as their gatcha when in truth he says something entirely different. It's hilarious to read shit months even a year after morons repeating the same shit as it's actual facts when it never was to begin with. lol.

>>52496426
It's an industry dealing with very sensitive information not only of their own people but also of contracts with other production companies and she was a proven leaky hole.
Your entire argument is based on sympathy for the repeat wrongdoer because of your own emotional attachment.

>>52494334
Anon, it definitely wasn't just "a PR issue". Judging by how hostile her messages' contents were, she was too much of a minefield that they couldn't risk keeping her. Very few companies would want to keep someone who wished them to suffer (and told that to a dramafag, too)

>>52496542
>it wasn't serious so she should be allowed to repeatedly ignore company instructions regarding sensitive material and they should just shut both eyes over it because money.
You're basically asking them to give her preferential treatment and saying them not doing it is immoral.

>>52496590
The only fake rrat is the doxxing.

>>52495846
You can stop imagining the scenario as if you were running the company. I'm sure it would collapse under your leadership. They cited they would back her up and revealed they were full of shit.

>>52496600
Firstly, I don't have any emotional attachment. I' not a fan of GFE. She barely as any access to actual sensitive information and the leaks have proven that she is unwilling to share them even in the worst situations. Talking about how you are treated by some other employees at your job is not something they can reprehend her for, that is not something you can legally limit with a contract. That is not a 'leak'. She was only reprehended for sending New Year's wishes from her Rushia account to korekore.

>>52496889
They said they would back her up for point A.
Not for point B.
They saw how much of B she did.
They booted her.

>>52492161
Has Nazuna EVER collabed with Henya even once so far? And no, I don't mean they were on the Mincecraft server at the same time, I mean their models were on screen together and talking directly to each other. Kson can also be there if that helps narrow it down.

>>52496922
>Talking about how you are treated by some other employees at your job is not something they can reprehend her for, that is not something you can legally limit with a contract. That is not a 'leak'.
Now is a good time to remind everyone that it wasn't just information leaks that were brought up against her but spreading of false information as well. Nobody brings these things up to korekore just because they want to talk. She even asked him to "tell everyone".

>>52497050
>They said they would back her up for point A.
>Not for point B.
Correct
>They saw how much damages B caused to their reputation
>They booted her.
Corrected

>>52496045
Companies always break their own fucking rules you fucking retard. Just look at Ayame and Gura if their contract says they have to stream a certain amount of times per month there's no fucking way they would still be employed yet they still are. They even make up rules to be as vague af so they can manipulate and get away with shit too but you're not going to defend that, right?

>>52492856
>>52493247
>>52493563
>>52493760
>>52494334
She was told by management to relax and give it a few days and she'll be fine. Her reaction? Go directly to Japanese Keemstar, pull out her fucking phone, and show him personal messages between managers/other holo talents to "prove" she's not fucking the dude. She then asked him not to talk about that part. Guess what japanese Keemstar did? None of this would have happened if she didn't have a complete and utter catastrophic menhera breakdown. She nuked herself from orbit and has nobody to blame but herself.

>>52497117
Do you think you're making a great argument here against Cover?

>>52497099
Them denying the harassment and calling it false information doesn't make it not true.
You are a gullible fool to believe she did that without there being truth to it. Nobody in her position would do something like that if it wasn't the truth. By firing and silencing her they solved it.

>>52496157
I have no idea why Pippa is even being brought up but it's nothing new on a Rushia/Mike thread seeing other vtubers being mentioned. I use to see Towa I guess it's Pippa's turn.

>>52496922
Her contact with him was not limited to just a normal person complaining about their job to a friend.
Don't pretend she didn't specifically went to him because of his reach as a drama tuber.
Did you forget that she actually gave him a dead man's switch on Cover and he refused it. Did you forget the "I want them to suffer". In what world would a company keep someone like that continually employed?
That literally doesn't even have to be contractually specified, it's an automatic assumption that an employer can remove someone who they no longer trust and has held up in legal disputes.

>>52497237
I was not trying to make an argument against Cover. Just to clear up misconceptions. The woman doesn't deserve the shit she gets because of all the rrats.

>>52497243
So the harassment definitely happened because she said so? She thinks not being given an indefinite break from everything over a dead pet is harassment and abuse.

>>52497243
Maybe there was some truth. I remember that minecraft collab when Rushia accidentally killed Miko. Miko was lowkey pissed and none of the girls comforted Rushia afterward they all kinda just laughed it off awkwardly, a few of them even hit Rushia. Rushia meanwhile felt so bad and tried to apologize and say it was an accident but no one heard her apology. Rushia then went off and built bricks around herself while Kanata tried to comfort her. Not sure if that has any relevance at all to this discussion but perhaps Rushia was an odd girl out. Dunno tho maybe I'm reading too much into it.

>>52497172
Yeah you have Ayame's and Gura's contract on your desk right now right? We know that they have a contract for stream time during their first year after which they are allowed to negotiate. Why did you think Sana got booted for inactivity but the others didn't.
And surely you know all the contact Gura and Ayame have with their managers and know they didn't give them explicit permission to not stream?
Surely you also know they would give Rushia explicit permission to talk to Kore too right, oh wait they did the opposite.

>>52497396
I mean Coco openly on stream said Rushia is exhausting to deal with due to being so extremely mentally ill. She's a real basket case. Her menhera is the real deal. Not many people can handle that.

>>52497067
nope. The closest contact they publicly had was Henya raiding Nazuna.

>>52496323
You know that effeminate freak mafu does music right? And has for some vtubers. I just want to know if you know this fact. So Mike using her official account isn't something shocking. The rest of the stuff I have no idea where the fuck you're getting it from. I know it's not from my Rushia.

>>52497117
I mean damage against reputation is not as big of a gotcha as you think. They're a company of like 400 employees and dozens of streamers now. It would actually be immoral for them to not protect their reputation from inside threats.

>>52497270
BVTM spam Rushia threads when one of the phase whores has drama

>>52497509
I feel bad for Henya in all this. She is trying so much to be friendly with her senpai and Nazuna has zero interest in being an actual member of the japanese branch. I'm not even sure she will leave the company at this point like all the rrats suggested, she might just keep herself isolated and stay after renegotiating her contract conditions.

>>52497308
You are a moron of the highest caliber.
She never gave him something like a dead man's switch. He admitted he tried to pressure her to give him more details so it could be one but she refused.

>>52497516
He doesn't mean Mafu, he means contact with Korekore. All those things KoroKore leaked with her permission and she confirmed she gave him that information after the fact.
No one relevant gives a shit abot Mafu in this situation.

>>52495482
>>52495571
>>52495953
Man it's sad that a full year and a half later mikecucks are still clinging onto the cope that Rushia got fired for having a boyfriend and not leaking internal documents

>>52497396
>Miko was lowkey pissed
You mean she did her usual spergy "faq man" thing and carried on. Yes, she can get pretty intense when doing it, but she is not actually mad.

>>52497698
I feel bad for her too because she's clearly not a huge extrovert so seeing her trying to connect with somebody with little success is a bit painful. But I'm gonna cut Nazuna some slack for now because she was physically and mentally unwell and at least acknowledged Henya's existence.

>>52497791
>Rushia got fired for having a boyfriend
Nobody has ever claimed that but retarded twitter users that have never watched a holojp stream in their life before.
>and not leaking internal documents
Everyone saw what was leaked and there were no internal documents, Cover never claimed that either. Why make shit up?

>>52497172
They ignore Gura not streaming therefore they should ignore Rushia leaking? Did you even think about what you post?

>>52497814
Maybe, but that's not how Rushia interpreted it. Remember right after that stream she tweeted about "I learned the true meaning of FAQ"? Rushia's feelings were genuinely hurt, and she felt like no one was there to support her. Maybe it's Rushia's fault for being overly-sensitive, but it also doesn't take much kindness and empathy to just say, "it's ok, it was an accident I forgive you". If Miko had said that instead of faq then the whole thing would have been ok.

>>52497885
nigger if you saw what was leaked you'll know that the shit she leaked included internal conversations with her manager

>>52497876
they interacted in minecraft with each other and Nazuna is basically living in a hospital because of her stomach

>>52497949
qrd? screenshot?

>>52497949
yeah but those are not internal documents and there was nothing in the messages about anything internal
just her manager telling her to stfu

>Nazunacucks fighting a losing battle against Vwhorejos, Holobronies and Nijitrannies itt rn...

>>52496391
A demented sociopath who openly admits that a women suffering depression and ptsd is his important thing in life recanting the bullshit he said prior being exposed as a fake fuck.

Best believe there's nothing worse then you wretched mf. To rejoice over a woman's suffering that has done absolutely nothing to you to receive such wickedness, has no part in your pathetic wretched life while attempting to mock her fanbase as if your words mean anything. Not only are you a fake fuck but you're also a weak ass mf.

>>52498011
>Leaking conversations with management
>Not internal documents
this is your brain after gettiing cucks

>>52497943
It's not really Miko's fault for assuming FAQ would be be interpreted in jest and not seriously. When people start thinking they need to behave like they are walking on eggshells then the relationship is already dead.

>>52497943
>it also doesn't take much kindness and empathy to just say, "it's ok, it was an accident I forgive you"
Oh, so Miko is now lacking in kindness and empathy?
If Rushia doesn't understand プロレス in group collabs then she probably shouldn't be a vtuber.

>>52498042
>internal documents
NTA, but do you know what "internal documents" even means? lmao

>>52498106
>Those internal documents aren't internal documents because... They just aren't alright

>>52497067
I don't think she'll do a collab with Henya anytime soon. If anything kson would have to be present much like she was there with the other vshojo members.

>>52496323
All of this is true and the Nazutards are delusional for denying it

>>52498185
so you don't know, thanks lol
take your pills anon

>>52498185
>>52498042
Now you two are just arguing the semantics of document.
Most people do understand document to be an actual document file, though you could say emails are documents therefore communications can be therefore chat messages can also be.

>>52498185
NTA, that wasn't his question but it is apparent you have no idea what an internal document is.

>>52498044
>>52498071
It wasn't just the FAQ it was the fact that no one was able to hear her explanation and apology I think due to audio issues, and so Rushia didn't get the closure she was looking for. In a group setting, the worst feeling in the world is being misunderstood. It leads to feelings of isolation and mistrust. Yes Rushia is very sensitive, which is why things like that hit her so hard and I don't blame Miko for not catering to her specific personality. That's what makes people like Coco/Kson so special, they are able to reach through the thorns.

>>52498259
>Nta
Do you really?

>>52496481
cope

>>52498214
>If anything kson would have to be present much like she was there with the other vshojo members.
But other members don't speak japanese, Henya does at a native level. That is why Nazuna seemingly doing the "I don't speak english, sorry" routine with Henya feels extremely disengenius and rude as her senpai.

>>52498260
>That's what makes people like Coco/Kson so special, they are able to reach through the thorns.
Marine does the same thing but you don't see her seething at Cover over what happened.

>>52498285
>doing the "I don't speak english, sorry"
she never did that

>>52498260
>Yes Rushia is very sensitive
That's a nice way to say completely fucking insane

>>52498332
Yes, Marine and Coco/Kson both share that same empathy/emotional intelligence trait that makes them collab masters. Doesn't mean they have to agree on everything though.

>>52495233
...Mel? Yozora?

She's still around? Did you mean Aloe?

>>52496157
Allegedly, Pippa got plapped by her own doxxer and then said doxxer released the pics for a brag.

Okay, lets imagine a scenario where Rushia is still at hololive.
>the staff now know that she is spreading gossip about them even if they don't know who specifically
>the other holomens now know she has a direct contact to a dramatuber and everything they say to her can be misinterpreted by her due to menhera
>antis will still harass her for the boyfriend thing
>everyone walks on eggshells around her
>she probably gets management jailed just like Coco did
I don't think thats the outcome you are looking for.

>>52498428
>Mel
He's talking about the manager that harassed her.

>>52498576
>she probably gets management jailed just like Coco did
That wouldn't affect her too badly since she is more solo focused.

>>52498576
Barely anyone argues against the termination itself but the rrats and the shit she is getting because of it.

>>52497308
What in the fucking hell are you talking about???? And here I thought the out of date anti's are a fucking joke.

>>52495233
>the firing of Rushia and other note worthy members like Coco and Mel.
>Mel
This is the state of the average nazucuck

>>52498641
>out of date anti'
so this is the latest nazucuck cope huh?

>>52498649
that was very obviously not a post made by fan of hers

>>52498675
How can you tell? you've got retards like >>52498641 amongst their ranks

>>52497703
>She never gave him something like a dead man's switch.
But she did. If she had actually killed herself nobody would care if the shit she told to him was all made up, hololive would have been over instantly.
People like to pretend like the part about "senpai" doesn't matter, but even with her still alive her schizo fans were trying to figure out who it was.

>>52495269
>ESL calling out another ESL

>>52497903
I did. You obviously did not read mine moron.

I'm guessing she basically has PTSD regarding real-world contact.
That's how she got terminated last time. The less contact with the real world, the less chance of something leaking that could ruin her. Not to mention, of course, the possibility of stalkers.

>>52498715
>implying a Rushia fan would think Mel graduated
>>52498641
His reply is justified because that anon's exaggerations can only be described as a joke

>>52498769
It wasn't made up. There is no reason to make something up like that and even less a reason to kill yourself over if it was. What kind of backwards logic are you applying? Cover wouldn't be over, they would have been forced to clean house. You read too many doujins, anon.

>>52498635
People here in this thread are arguing Cover should have just let her keep going.

>>52498285
What? Dude stfu your imagination is not real.

>>52498892
>even less a reason to kill yourself over if it was.
This point is completely worthless when you're talking about someone so massively mentally ill as her. People kill themselves over literally nothing.
>Cover wouldn't be over, they would have been forced to clean house.
Yes they would. Nobody is going to work with a company that has the reputation of harassing people into suicide.

>>52498828
you can see them in this thread right now claiming that Rushia got fired for a discord notification so how do you know?

>>52498071
Aye what's the moon word?

>>52498235
Ah yes, Usada Baelz.

>>52498606
Sekuhara, even.
Allegedly. Tho with the industry, I beleb.

>>52492692
>>52495269
can you imagine what this specimen does in his free time? maybe plays a mmo with pvp to camp low levels

>>52498966
>This point is completely worthless when you're talking about someone so massively mentally ill as her. People kill themselves over literally nothing.
It's not because she was not massively mentally ill before the termination.
>Yes they would. Nobody is going to work with a company that has the reputation of harassing people into suicide.
A) Yes they do, see Activision.
B) That reputation is attached to a person(s) and not the company. They have handled other situations like that before and it didn't tarnish their reputation. Firing Rushia worked so why wouldn't it for firing bullies?

>>52499062
It's pro wrestling/kayfabe.

>>52498828
Where are you getting this "implying" that the post says anything about Mel graduating? I'm very curious how fucking dumb you are.

>>52498892
>It wasn't made up
Not even Korekore believed that to be the case, and the guy was and is pretty much drool over any prospect of drama. That told us how believable that was.
Bullied her by trying to overlap her streams to steal her fans? Like, really?
>Cover wouldn't be over, they would have been forced to clean house
A small / mid-sized entertainment company - one which relies greatly on their image to profit - allegedly let bully incident happened within their widely-viewed-as-"friends & family" group, leading to terrible consequences. If that wouldn't be enough to kill Cover, it would have dealt a lot of damage on their and the group's reputation even if it wasn't even true to begin with.

>>52499160
Point me to the instance where Cover dealt with a talent committing suicide.

>>52499215
>>the firing of Rushia and other note worthy members like Coco and Mel.
Coco graduated and Mel is still active

>>52499160
>Firing Rushia worked so why wouldn't it for firing bullies?
Because there isn't any bully except ones in her mind.
Firing Rushia worked perfectly to let people know that whatever she said was BS - evidently so when she couldn't get them to change their statement even after spending shit tons of money on lawyers

>>52499160
>she was not massively mentally ill before the termination.
When she had her windy background noise twitcast the fandead told me she did suicide bait on rm all the time. Which one is it?

>>52499160
>she was not massively mentally ill before the termination.
But she was. She had her schizo meds since like summer of 2021.
>A) Yes they do, see Activision.
Activision is not a talent management agency that relies on keeping up a friendly atmosphere. That atmosphere would not exist after a suicide.
>B) That reputation is attached to a person(s) and not the company.
It will forever stay with the company because she didn't name any names. Nobody will ever find out who was responsible.
>They have handled other situations like that before and it didn't tarnish their reputation. Firing Rushia worked so why wouldn't it for firing bullies?
Nobody killed themselves before. You don't just say "ok we'll do better in the future!" and carry on.

>>52499247
>Not even Korekore believed that to be the case, and the guy was and is pretty much drool over any prospect of drama. That told us how believable that was.
Wrong, Korekore said he was not going to do it without more personal information about them but she was unwilling to doxx them. That's why he said he couldn't do it.
>If that wouldn't be enough to kill Cover, it would have dealt a lot of damage on their and the group's reputation even if it wasn't even true to begin with.
It wouldn't but if it did it would be rightfully deserved. Why shouldn't a company suffer for letting such a tragedy happen?

>>52499247
>Not even Korekore believed that to be the case, and the guy was and is pretty much drool over any prospect of drama. That told us how believable that was.
He's not a honest actor. His only goal during those streams was to destroy Rushia.

>>52499337
Them changing the statement would change the public perception and get them shit.
Why would they do that?

>>52499611
Why would they change a statement that wasn't incorrect? To make some mentally ill thot feel better and maybe regain a few lost fans.

>>52499334
...Okay? And? That post said nothing about Mel graduating though. It's about her harassment likewise with Coco and her graduation.

>>52499380
>But she was. She had her schizo meds since like summer of 2021.
She had meds for depression. Her mental state of 2021 doesn't even qualify to compare to that post termination.
As for the rest, I am not going to continue this anymore. You are so out of touch with reality it is almost impressive.

>>52499543
>Wrong, Korekore said he was not going to do it without more personal information about them but she was unwilling to doxx them. That's why he said he couldn't do it.
Watch stream or check the summaries back then. He said that he had seen no convincing evidence whatsoever of it (the alleged bully).so didn't put too much weight into what she said.
>>52499611
That only showed that she doesn't have any proof of her innocence. If she was innocent, she could've brought them to the court with the help of her lawyers. The threat would've been enough for Cover to give her a bone in exchange of not getting sued to hell and back.

>>52496008
Are you retards really that delusional?

>>52492161
the real reason is that Nazuna's English is too dogshit to actually do a US con

>>52496008
Even if that was true, how can you want her to continue living like that as a fan who loves her?

>>52498011
by doing that she breached NDA
you dont breach NDA and get away with it
it's really not that complicated

>>52500000
nta but speak for yourself you piece of shit mf just because that anon chose to believe her words as do I doesn't make us retards. It's none of your god damn business to begin with.

>>52500116
You never been to a con have you idiot? You know translators exist and they attend cons too. Some are even hired. Shocking I know.

PTSD from what?

>>52500336
Why should they go through all the hoops to get one for just her when no one else needs a JP->EN translator?

>>52500336
>listening to some rando try to TL in real time, messing up the flow
sounds like a dogshit experience to me

>>52499745
>Her mental state of 2021 doesn't even qualify to compare to that post termination.
Still enough to kill oneself over nothing. It happens all the time.
>You are so out of touch with reality it is almost impressive.
But that's you. You think every single thing she says is true because it's her saying it. She mentioned a senpai in her messages but in her "correction" claims to not have any issues with any talents.
She's a liar and you're trying to damage control for her to bring more hololive fans into her dying fanbse.

>>52500285
It does make you retards and when you come into these threads to spew this shit, it does become other's business.
If you don't like the responses you get stop going out of your schizo containment zone.

>>52500411
Uh you don't watch Nazuna at all do you? She has a translator for her streams and has had one for many months now. Why do you think her attending a con would be different? My Rushia can't communicate in English even if her life depended on it.

A rando isn't doing a translation. I have no idea how it goes but that is not a rando. The translator is getting paid by vshojo. As for the quality it does fucking suck but it is not terrible where a EN only won't know what's going on I can say that.

>>52492161
doomposting aside, that's pretty fucking sad to see that she still hasn't recovered yet

we didn't protect her enough from the fag that is mafumafu bros

Im not updated with the news, so who was rushia vagueposting and telling korekore about when she said that another talent was bullying her inside the agency and “wanted her to suffer”

>>52500596
No you stupid dumb fuck because it's literally what she says verbatim. Your claim was that we're all delusional because she said that as if to say she doesn't mean what she says when she's been proving it ever since she's been fired she fucking means what she says. You object to it because you're fucking delusional that somebody can actually be authentic and your wretched ass is in disbelief. Don't start changing shit up mf.

>>52494168
both are bad, niji is just worse

>>52500882
You are delusional because she always have some guy in her LINE DMs. She is not authentic.
How many men is it going to take until you finally get it?

>>52500793
Dude, mafu has been long irrelevant to all this except to out of date anti's.

>>52500793
>we didn't protect her enough from the fag that is mafumafu bros
Yeah why did all of her fans have to shut down any mention of her talking to mafumafu before? If you had raised noise then she would have cut contact with him before she made everything worse.

>>52495269
go somewhere else to say shit like that faggot

>>52500793
>>52500976
See what I mean with retards like this guy >>52500948 holy shit.

>>52500987
let me cope in peace, i gave up being objective long ago

>>52501044
There's been 3 since mafu. How many more men is it going to take?

>>52500861
No one knows, people were pointing at Matsuri but no conclusive evidence. Who knows, if her list of offences included streaming over her timeslot, then who's to say she didn't schizo imagine the bullying either.

>>52500882
Remember when she said she never interacts with males in private as Rushia and then Kore leaked she was actually attempting to date Mafu and playing games with him and going out to eat with him?

>>52501395
Mafu said they were just playing games as friends.

>>52501474
The weren't dating but she made the attempt

>>52501533
She didn't.

>>52500548
NTA, but you know nothing about mental health issues. People do not kill themselves over nothing.

Senpai is not a term exclusively used for members of older gens. In a real life scenario it is more likely to be used for someone in a position above yours.

Instead of reading matome sites of anti threads you should follow the roommates of holos and you will find out that she is on good terms with plenty of them.
It is not hard to find their private accounts but it takes time. Time you clearly have enough of since you dedicate so much of it to anti her.

>>52501565
Then you are arguing that what Kore revealed about her asking him about Mafu was fake? That they didn't have a dinner together?
That still proves that she was lying about not having private contact with men because she was playing games with one.

>>52501638
Not him but I dont care about Rushia, it's the fancucks who are funny.

>>52501638
>Senpai is not a term exclusively used for members of older gens.
It is in hololive.
>In a real life scenario it is more likely to be used for someone in a position above yours.
No shit retard. She is not in a position where staff members are "senpai".
>Instead of reading matome sites of anti threads you should follow the roommates of holos and you will find out that she is on good terms with plenty of them.
Literally what the fuck are you talking about? It doesn't matter if she is on good terms with any of them. That doesn't change anything about the fact that a lot of hololive fans will never watch her again and that you are wasting your time trying to damage control for her.
Why don't you just list all of them to prove that everyone in hololive still likes her?
>b-b-ut you will anti them!!
Stop making excuses and post some proof for once. All you faggots ever do is talk shit.

>>52501638
>People do not kill themselves over nothing.
Yes they do.

>>52501474
Man you keycucks really are goddam delusional if you believe this

>>52501638
>you know nothing about mental health issues.
Are you a licensed professional? If not, then you have no authority over anyone else.
Being mentally ill doesn't make you an expert on the subject.

>>52500861
The only one bullying her was her own head. The bitch needed to be put down and i agree with what cover did and tossing her out on the streets

>S-She'll be leaving soon
>Doesn't leave
>S-She hates Vshojo
>Sings their praises all the time
Keycucks on suicide watch lmao

>>52501974
Why do you claim it to be a term exclusively used like that in hololive?

She is not now but she was when she wrote that.

I don't care if (you) watch her or not. I watch her and so do other hololive fans.

I am not going to share that for obvious reasons. Much like any oher fan who dedicated their time to do that would not hand it out.

But you are the one who is making unjustifiable claims and excuses for their hate.

>>52500861
Rushia never referred to another talent, it was someone from management.

Why are you retards trying to loop with Marineschizo again when he got so BTFOd in the last bait threat that he's still crying? Just post art until bump limit, you retards

Also nice to see that some of the VSJ only fags have openly turned anti.
Literally just because the chances of her staying with that shitshow look grimmer by the day. Kek

>>52502213
Kinda wish she did honestly keyfags have been nothing but drama magnets about shit we dont care about and ends up shitting up our generals and nazuna herself has done nothing but be deadweight

>>52502213
You forgot
>S-she's not talking to any filthy males in private because she loves us
>Plays apex with some guy

Thread shitters and baiters don't ever acknowledge that she actually goes to lenghts to please her fans, including changing her own behaviour to make them happy. But that's what makes them thread shitters.

>>52502503
I love how you openly wish suffering and isolation for your own whore to die alone with her cats. Man you keycucks are on another insane level
Her fans alone are far worse than any anti that she could ever have

>>52502117
Right... because mafu told you otherwise wait no he didn't did he? Maybe it was Rushia who told you? Oh wait no she didn't did she? Then if both of them said none of that where are you getting your information from? Don't tell me you're one of those out of date anti's too?

>>52502696
the way you talk about other people puts you beneath anything you are making them or her out to be

>>52502335
>Why do you claim it to be a term exclusively used like that in hololive?
Ok retard, it's not exclusively used like that in hololive, it's used like that everywhere. No staff member can be "senpai" to a talent because they are not talents themselves. Their work is completely different. A janitor that has been at the company since it's founding is not senpai to them.
>She is not now but she was when she wrote that.
She wasn't even then. Staff can't be senpai. They have nothing to be senpai over them for. Do you even understand what the term means?
>I watch her and so do other hololive fans.
Clearly other hololive fans are not watching her.
>I am not going to share that for obvious reasons
Such as? The only obvious reason here is that you got nothing to show or that the result would be so measly you would end up looking patchetic.
>But you are the one who is making unjustifiable claims and excuses for their hate.
What unjustifiable claims have I made? You are making excuses for her being a mentally ill moron that almost nuked her "friends" careers just because she told you she loves you after you gave her a hundred bucks.

>>52502696
VShitshow is unironically worse than being an indie and she'll eventually find some group of JP vtubers to actually interact with, once she starts streaming on YouTube
Not like she even interacts with the VShojo girls at all. She talks to Silvervale more than any current girl in the org, besides Kson

>>52502784
Out of date from what? Keep seething and coping deadcuck. Her word is about as reliable as her mental state. Id trust the word of cover, kore kore and events that actually happened because i was watching it live when mafumafu dropped bombs on her stream that you cucks and your delusional self serving menhera suicide baiting lying whore

>>52502503
There's a decent chance you would be saying this exact same thing about hololive if she had been allowed to stay.

>>52502628
That is not a good thing for yourself nor for here but you are too menhera to understand that.

>>52502506
Wait wait wait. We're the ones who are drama magnets? But you're here on a bait thread made by some drama whore while you and trash like you help stirring and add drama and shit talk but you want to blame us? You sick demented evil mf's are sick in the fucking head.

>>52503129
If she had been as obviously unhappy with Hololive, maybe? Because I'm not a tribalist
But the fact is that she's basically zoned out of VShojo and self sabotaging while putting all of her effort into Mikeneko, so that's your loss.

>>52502628
>changing her own behaviour to make them happy
Only as far as you can see from the streams.

>>52502843
Yet she dosent leave even after spamming our threads with “omg mike hates it here shes gonna leave vshitshow” for a goddam year now. You keycucks dont even know your iwn goddam whore and who shes sleeping with behind your backs or what shes saying lol why would i even believe anything you keycucks say. Nobody goddam likes you chucklefucks and your whore. holofags not us not nijizhangjis not phasefags. NOBODY. You keyfags should convince your whore to do what shes been baiting to do all this time and send her a goddam rope

>>52503318
>he doesn't know

>>52502806
The position does not matter, a senpai can be anyone who joined the company before you.
It is known she had issues with management around that time.

Clearly you are not paying attention to her chat or socials because I see plenty or almost exclusively fans of hololive who are watching her.

>posting doxx of holos private accounts in a bait thread
Jesus, I wonder why someone would not want to do that?
The answer is because I like these girls. You very clearly do not else you would not be like this.

I read the thread >>52502444 mentioned.
You truly are disconnected from reality.
The person you think she is does not exist and no amount of your schizo reasoning will ever change that.

>>52503396
Stop cuckposting, you weirdo. Are you actually going to anti her when she leaves?

>>52503445
Oh I do know. You getting DMs doesn't change anything.

>>52503032
Everyone you named contradicts what you are saying. You're trusting your own made up illusions.

>>52503511
You know me? Who am I?

>>52503502
Bitch i will throw your bitch a goddam akasupa telling her to never return you can count on that shit

>>52502784
You know, the Kore guy she leaked her stuff to? The guy who she was asking for dating advice for mafumafu? The guy she was complaining about her coworkers to, which you believe, but you don't believe when he told the story about her contacting him about mafumafu after they went to eat out and had a disagreement over a few months before the discord notification? The guy who she shouldn't have talked to if she didn't want to be fired?

I read an interesting part in a VN the other day about "truth".
Basically, you can't ever find out the "truth" of a matter if you've already decided, in your heart, what your "truth" is. You need to look at things from multiple viewpoints to ever come close to the truth
Her antis here have already decided what their "truth" is, which is why they'll never reach the "truth". Kind of funny but sad.

>>52503688
>few months
You don't even know the fucking timeline, you stupid retard. Also she wasn't asking for dating advice, that was literally Kore's interpretation for views

>>52503703
You are now rambling
Are you so coked up in your own goddam delusional copium that you fail to even recognize reality?

>>52502696
No, it's sick fucks like you who put on a facade and act as if you give a shit about her more than her fans when you're phony af. I wonder if you're even self aware of the bs you say or maybe too stupid to realize it.

>>52503766
That sentence is at the level that a highschool student can understand it. Are you dumber than a child?

>>52503873
>af
>mf
>bs
Stop typing like a zoomer

>>52503703
I read an interesting part in a VN the other day about "truth".
Basically, you can't ever find out the "truth" of a matter if you've already decided, in your heart, what your "truth" is. You need to look at things from multiple viewpoints to ever come close to the truth
Her cucks here have already decided what their "truth" is, which is why they'll never reach the "truth". Kind of funny but sad.

>>52503453
>a senpai can be anyone who joined the company before you
Completely untrue as I just porved with the janitor example. A senpai is a mentor. Staff members are not in any position to mentor talents.
>I see plenty or almost exclusively fans of hololive who are watching her.
Of course. The point was that most hololive fans do not watch her and she's losing viewers.
>bringing up dozz of golos private accounts in a bait thread
Jesus, I wonder why did you do that?
>The answer is because I like these girls.
How is that a reason to not post them? You could at minimum name their holo names but you won't do that because the truth is that nobody likes her.
>You very clearly do not
Prove it.
>else you would not be like this.
What? Are you saying that if I don't look up dox of someone I don't like them? You faggots are fucked up
>The person you think she is does not exist
Your regular meltdowns over her male interactions say otherwise.

>>52503995
No, because I've literally looked into her situation from multiple angles and figured out the truth? Whereas you're deciding from the start that she's evil and try to find evidence to support that. You literally do not know me

>>52503876
You are worshiping a whore that is actively fucking a retarded alien and constantly fakes her own suicide and has the mental stability of a racoon with rabies
Im pretty sure im smarter than you

>>52503998
Why are you quoting what I wrote only to twist and bend the meaning until it fits something you can measly attempt to "no u".

I have never had a single meltdown over anything she did but okay.

>>52504050
>Anon thinks he is immune to bias, as he spams his Rushia pics which he has hundreds of GBs of.

>>52504138
>I have never had a single meltdown over anything she did but okay.
So you were completely fine with her playing apex with that faggot? The male collabs and totsus were also fine?
Now let's hear which holos are still friends with her.

>>52504050
I've literally looked into her situation from multiple angles and figured out the truth. Whereas you're deciding from the start that she's good and try to find evidence to support that. You literally do not know me

Deadcucks now spamming to the bump limit because they know they’re exposed and cant fucking accept reality like their lying piece of shit whore. Its faster to just buy a rope

>>52504187
Eh, I would have left back in February 2022 had she actually been cheating on us. The fact I'm here is because she wasn't.

>>52504271
The fact that others left is because she was cheating on them.

>>52504264
Her antis /here/ don't even speak Japanese.
Like if they actually believed anything they said, maybe they could convince a single fan to abandon her. They're just flailing their arms like children

>>52504271
So you forgive her for lying about not having private contact with men even if she wasn't dating?

>>52504330
People literally stalked her core fanbase back in February 2022 and barely any left. The core, I mean.
Like there have been reasons for that core to burn off since then, but the actual incident didn't really cause people to leave because she wasn't cheating: ergo, she wasn't. Which isn't actually sound logic, to be honest, but it's the same level as the logic you're operating on, so it's fine
Anyway, bump limit hit. Enjoy screaming into the void, i'm closing the thread now

>>52504351
No they will just pretend she didnt do it and make up their own copium self preserving rrats and refuse to accept reality as always despite the truth staring right in front of their faces

>>52492161
The war...

>>52504407
>Like there have been reasons for that core to burn off since then
Those reasons are coming to the realization that she was in fact cheating. Similar things just keep happening.
You got cheated on and will keep getting cheated on.

>>52504333
Lol even the entirety of 5ch hates you keycucks and your whore. Dont give me that shit

Didn't she graduate around the time Russia invaded Ukraine? Must be PTSD from that.

>>52504333
I have never posted a single comment on any of her social media. She can do what she wants. I just make fun of delusional cucks here.

>>52504407
Most of this thread wasn't even about the mafu dude or cheating but who was in the wrong for her termination.

>>52504194
Yes, I couldn't care less about the sex of someone she plays games with. Imagine telling your so she is not allowed to participate in an mmo raid or something like that because there will be people of the opposite sex in it.

You obviously never listened to the totsu or are aware of the circumstances that lead up it or the group collab.

I have already told you to do your own reps. You have enough time.
It took me less than two hours to find my oshi's private accounts and from that I found plenty of the other girls' including Rushia's.
Why do you not do the same? Because you do not care about any of the girls to do it. You are just someone who is dedicating their time to hate on Rushia.

>>52504495
look in a mirror for once lmao

>>52504823
>Imagine telling your so she is not allowed to participate in an mmo raid or something like that because there will be people of the opposite sex in it.
That has been the dominating opinion among her "core fans" on this site.
>You obviously never listened to the totsu or are aware of the circumstances that lead up it or the group collab.
Doesn't matter. She wasn't supposed to interact with men. That was her promise.
>I have already told you to do your own reps.
I've done them and the number of these holos that are allegedly her friends is pathetic. All they have done is follow her on twitter.
>Why do you not do the same?
Because I'm not a doxfaggot.
>Because you do not care about any of the girls to do it.
So you are saying that one must dig up dox of any vtuber they like or else they don't really like them.
>You are just someone who is dedicating their time to hate on Rushia.
You do not even know me.

>>52504823
>Yes, I couldn't care less about the sex of someone she plays games with. Imagine telling your so she is not allowed to participate in an mmo raid or something like that because there will be people of the opposite sex in it
Ah so you believe she should just collab with anyone, that's very healthy, she should just come out and say she will play games with whomever she wants.
I'm sure her fanbase will not turn on her if she does that, they love her after all.

>>52492161
>PTSD

>>52503032
The only one seething is you mf. Out of date anti's like yourself are deluded you don't even know wtf you're talking about while you put on a smile and laugh as if you said anything that was factual or genuine when in reality you're spewing shit that never existed at all. It's hilarious reading retards talk and bring up mafu, kore, among others and actually listen to you retards regurgitate absolute laughable shit that none of the parties involved ever said. And when confronted with the truth you have to deny, deflect and say dumb shit like "you're seething lol" whatever it takes to deny that you've been a clown from head to toe for potentially over a year maybe months spewing the same shit over and over with other anti's spewing the same rhetoric even on exclusive Rushia/Mike threads a proud beast like you can't have that instead of the more respectable and humbling path as a man that you been wrong this entire time and that you never knew the entire situation to begin with you can't have that could you? A worthless dog like you can't have that.

>>52505011
You two are taking everything to literally and cannot differentiate between what is and is not kayfabe.

I am not talking about their public roommate accounts or just twitter accounts.

If you are not a doxfaggot then you have nothing to say about the actual women behind the l2d because you know little to nothing about them.

I do not know you and never claimed to, but you are here for hours spamming hate instead of doing your reps.

>>52494168
>black company
every jp holo wants to stay in holo forever, choco have even said it on multiple occasions that she'd kneel and beg to stay in hololive.

>>52505505
>I am not talking about their public roommate accounts or just twitter accounts.
Then what are you talking about? You do not have access to their LINE contacts or anything else.
>If you are not a doxfaggot then you have nothing to say about the actual women behind the l2d because you know little to nothing about them.
I can find out all the information if I want to. I'm telling you that I'm not a roommate obsessed faggot like you.
>I do not know you and never claimed to
You just did though. You said I am dedicating my time to hating Rushia as if I'm only doing this right at this moment and in general.

bro she just announced her pregnancy on her twitcast LMAO

>>52505787
Choco is friends with Rushia though so I think she was just giving Cover lip service.

>>52506596
now you're just reaching in

Not reading the thread. Have a good day menheras