/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>51862236
Ask Milky and her thousands of apologies lol

>>51862236
Collab with MrBeast.

>>51862236
>undesirable minority
Kek. Unicorns are the fattest paypigs, vtubers can't afford to let them leave.

>>51862236
It drives away a lot of viewers. Like how Watson lost 36% viewership after Tempus. But most just go away quietly instead of sperging out.
I'll say in my experience, when you have a vtuber who is considerate enough to her fans to never have males on her streams, that's a vtuber worth watching.

>>51862431
If it's that easy to lose them, is it really worth it? Collabing with males could bring lots of viewers if it's entertaining enough which could replace the unicorns.

Undesirable minority. Proof: Shadow's community. She could get rid of so many schizo faggots if she made some male friends, and her paycucks would be too passive to complain anyway.

>>51862431
Pareto principle in action.

>>51862504
>But most just go away quietly instead of sperging out.
lol you wish

>>51862583
""""""could""""""

>>51862583
Except only normies watch coed collabs and they never stay.

>>51862583
Oh 100%. Remember that Nyan only got bigger collabing with her BF. It works fine if the dude's an entertainer and not just some sperg.

>>51862666
(You)

>>51862649
It can bring lots of viewers if they are entertaining enough but they have to actually be entertaining and also knowledgeable about the algorithm to get enough viewers. It seems like not many vtubers can do that with their sub-100k monthly subscribers.

>>51862790
"""""""""""""""""""""""can"""""""""""""""""""""""

>>51862504
But Kiara didn’t collab with males and yet lost 45% how is that possible?

>>51862771
Unicuck can't face the reality that he's not needed?

>>51862431
The fans of a certain "GFE queen" told me the fattest paypigs were actually anti corns and her supporting unicorns was out of nothing but pure love.

>>51862852
Clearly this means that male collabs slow decline.

>>51862666
nyanners is weird since she was an e-celeb even before idol culture penetrated the west (which i would argue only started with hololive, idol anime didn't do jack shit)

>>51862827
Sorry it's not my fault that there are currently almost no vtubers who are good at getting new viewers. Maybe there should be one

>>51862583
Look at it this way - gachikois and unicorns are guys who have been previously turned down by every other woman they have met. They will be unpleasant to deal with. They will be mentally ill. But normies don't make for good paypigs. Having to deal with the mood swings of your paypigs is part of being a vtuber.

>>51862948
So it's just your hypothetical, then.

>>51862583
Nobody watches male vtubers.
Which viewers are you bringing in, exactly? Where are they coming from?

>>51862583
>Collabing with males could bring lots of viewers if it's entertaining enough which could replace the unicorns
This is basically ironmouse and Connor. On Twitch where most of the biggest streamers are male, male collabs are much more common.

>>51863085
They said males. Not male vtubers.

>>51863114
What would lead someone to believe fleshstrem viewers are more desirable than unicorns.

>>51862236
>tiny undesirable minority
And their large desirable moneys

>>51862895
Oh sure, EN unicorns never admit to actually be unicorns, outwardly they say all the right things to win the approval of their oshi. But if you look at how they actually behave things are very different.

>>51863204
Well they are more desirable. What kind of person would want a fanbase full of people who spend money on people based on weather they talk to men or not?

>>51862236
the latter

>>51862335
Milky was different because she was obviously flirting with the guy.

It doesn't if you never had that sort of audience to begin with.
Vshojo and the vast majority of big indies can collab with all the males they want and not lose a single thing.
It's even a buff for some if shipping is what the viewers want.

>but the paypigs
Twitch simps are some of the most demented people I've seen. They don't need a surrogate girlfriend experience to drop thousands of dollars for a reaction out of some girl.

>>51863241
The case in question had EN fans being schizo unicorns and japanese fans thinking they're annoying.

>>51862236
Depends. If the vtuber is GFE, then obviously it will bother viewers. If you don't pretend to be viewers gf or wife then who cares.

>>51863815
but all female vtubers are gfe that's what vtubing was always about

>>51863314
Nobody asks specifically for that kind of person. What they want is easy money and they know how to get it from these types. It only becomes a problem when they fuck up, the ATMs leave, and then the chuubas make sour grapes cope

Best approach if you do GFE is to collab with whoever the fuck you want, make no apologies and if the corns complain about it call them incels on Twitter.

>>51863970
No it really wasn't newfag. Kizuna ai never presented herself as gfe. Just an entertainer which is what a good streamer should be

>>51862895
"GFE queen"? Rushis/Mikeneko would never say this. Neither would Nene or Lamy either. I have doubts that would come from the lips of a Phase Connect girl

Who are you referring to?

>>51862236
It drives away the schizos with the most money to waste. So you lose a minority of viewers but they are a minority that spends a disproportionate amount of money on that chuuba.
Like you would lose a HUGE portion of your income if you started off as a GFE type or idol type vtuber.
If you started off as an honest whore saying "I'm a whore leave if you want GFE" then you wont lose any because you never had any

>>51863970
Even if that was true, some play much more into it than others.

>>51862236
Asking the tiny undesirable minority this question was definitely a good idea.

>>51863206
Also the fans who would support her forever, watch all streams and shit. Normal fans don't do that

>>51864611
They're not concentrated on any single website. The same cunt who likes and RT a male collab announcement on Twitter will make a thread on /vt/ to bitch about it 5 minutes later.

Once again, the mistake was made when 2020fags riding the wave of Myth misunderstood the small idol industry influences in vtubing.

>>51862895
The anti-corn try to support male collab solely because they want to debut and male vtuber and get the collabs with the girls.
This is proven many times.

>>51863206
skill issue, problem of the vtuber for not doing a nicely grooming to their chat to convert them into yesmen

>>51863608
And? Men and women can never be just friends, if a girl interacts with a man on stream it's inheritly sexual and flirty

>>51862236
Find out for yourself.

>>51865082
unironic cuckold mentality

>>51862583
only if you're collab with normal streamers, most male vtubers don't have anything to give you

>>51865082
Unironically this is true.
People develop feelings with regular interaction with the opposite sex.
Either they both fuck or one thinks the other looks hideous and then you have a hurt feelings rejection situation so take your pick.

It depends on the vtuber. If it was clear from day 1 that the vtuber in question was going to have men on stream at some point then no one can sperg out. If it happens like what happened with Kronii who suddenly became Vesper's #1 shill and bff then yeah, you'll get some people pissed off at how some random guy just showed up to change the content of streams. But this isn't an issue with western vtubers, I think. Most of the female vtubers will usually have some autistic rant on twitter about how PARASOCIAL BAD and how IDOL CULTURE EVIL and other nonsense, so that's the immediate tell that she will collab with random dudes at some point. The smart ones don't do it so they can maximize profits, honestly. It's better to not have some dude on stream and increase your earnings by a solid % than to take a retarded stance on social media about it and lose out on potential customers.

>>51862236
It can drive away viewers depending on your approach to content and the audience you're looking for. A vtuber who does a lot of GFE will likely lose viewership by collabing with males, but setting expectations early can help mitigate this. As much as the Nijimales get shit on here, its a pretty normal expectation that male and female collabs will happen in Niji so anyone in the dedicated community knows exactly what they're getting into. This potential loss doesn't always matter to vtubers though, since some of the more successful vtubers will take a potential hit to viewership if it opens up fun collab opportunities.

>>51865082
Duh.
I always had some deep interest towards my female friends. Not enough to make me want to date them but it's always there for any female i get close to, you always feel something.

>>51865082
yeah, when female streamers invite their parents on stream i immediately click off

>>51865572
Which never happens?
Besides friends ≠ parents

>>51863740
Twitch simps are the same kind of people who follow porn stars on twitter asking to marry them. I remember that one twitch streamer who claimed she was being abused by her husband who forced her to do lewd content and got a simp to donate $20k for "escape money" even though she's probably a millionaire already. As far as I know, she's still married to the dude and she's still selling OF content. Completely makes sense how vshojo can be absolute whores without seeing any financial impact.

>>51865630
He's making a counter argument to "all male female relationships are sexual"

>>51865572
If IRyS had her daddy on stream it would be the first collab I'd watch in over a year.

>>51865787
sweet home alabama

>>51862895
I tried to compete for attention with these "anti-unicorns" who kept pushing my oshi to stream with males but in privately they're the most unhinged parasocial motherfuckers I've ever met. Literally jannying 24/7 and skipping work/family to do so for years. God I hate them tranny discord groomers.

>>51865640
Hoping that suckers will throw money your way isn't a sustainable business model. If you're a vtuber you have to provide something that your audience will find worth donating to, whether it's GFE or whatever else.

>>51865082
Are you able to hold yourself back from fucking any female coworkers you work with?

>>51862236
Fans who police your interactions and demand complete obedience from you aren't worth having.

Everyone always asks the wrong question when they get into the male collab or unicorn debates.
Unicorns are a powerful audience but they're innately unstable and are just as harmful as they are monetarily beneficial. Inherently no matter what, pandering to unicorns revolves around presenting a kind of lie to your audience which would be great if that lie wasn't so inherently opposed to basic human nature. Regardless of how hard a chuuba goes into GFE, unless she's a clinically diagnosed autist with horrific social phobia, she will desire a form of independence and intimacy in a form more physical than that of a vtuber's chat. If she's a dyke, she's lucked out but even then the average chat is male and no true dyke would ever regard their gfe content with seriousness due to their lack of connection to men. These chuubas are constantly balancing on a wire to not fuck up and even then it only gets riskier the farther they get into it with a greater chance of producing schizos and an even greater chance of a career ending yab occuring if they fuck up.
You don't want a full unicorn audience. You want the fandeads like ORCA who will follow you to the ends of the earth and throw money at you regardless, this is the type of audience member that is objectively best for chuubas but you only get this audience member after establishing yourself and finding the precise balance of parasociality that gets the Oiler/5 year member devotion but also casual enough to not decide to drop you or send you a letter bomb if they hear a male voice on stream. This audience is the most reliable income and is what you want the main chunk of the fanbase to be no matter who you pander to.
Homobeggars dont watch streams so there's no point in mentioning them at all.

>>51863608
>flirting
They were basically acting out sex

>>51866716
What's the rundown on Milky? I see stuff like this pop up but have no clue about her

>>51862431
I've yet to see any unicorn with receipts.
>Y-you're just a homobeggar
I asked them the same thing to them. Both of you are full of shit at least they admit they only watch mixed collabs.

>>51862852
And how much superchat money did Kiara do? 45% less than her genmates? Asking for an indie friend.

>>51866862
As far as I know Milky was a GFE chuuba, or at least someone who really leaned on that line. One day she collabs with a dude and they go beyond flirty, he pretends to eat her out on stream. She clearly doesn't care about the ramifications of this until her next check comes in, probably a lot smaller that it usually is, and she begins apologizing for it every day for a week swearing off male collabs and trying to garner sympathy to recoup her losses

>>51866497
Which nobody does, we only expect vtubers to be considerate of her fans.
If they aren't we are free to leave.

>>51862236
It does little to nothing in and of itself. Declines in viewership has been relatively across the board as time goes on. Oversaturation of the medium and people just getting bored of the novelty. It certainly has an effect, but not nearly as much of one as some people around here believe.

>>51866862
I'm architectpilled so I followed her but I never watched her due to stream schedule. My most unbiased recollection.
>Milky is a lewd chuuba, does mommy gfe
>Collabs with "western babiniku" named Porcelain Maid
>Collab is horrendous, pretty much live sex rp and motor boat jokes
>Shit is uncomfortable to watch regardless of audience inclination, even her die hard /here/ admit it was fucking awful.
>Is forgotten for months
>Sub renewal comes around and alot of people assumedly left
>Cow prostration and promise to never do male collab again, vod taken down, deletes apology then reapologizes
>goes back to streaming, so far no mention of anything new. Think its been a month or two
In her defense, she's only got the fat tits and the mommy voice as a pull and in what little I've seen of her from the Neuro and Shondo collabs, she just leans super heavy on the sex aspect for entertainment and somehow didn't realize what she was doing. This is my most generous take and that paired with the apologies is probably why a decent amount of her audience is still watching.

>>51867976
>deletes apology then reapologizes
oh my god this is funny

>>51867954
>people just getting bored of the novelty
Are you one of those "vtubing is dying" people?

>>51868573
DELUSIONAL

your oshi collabs with bbc every week shondocuck

>>51866483
Maybe if I hide the body properly so the police can't find it.

>>51862236
People can say that it doesn't matter all thy want, but with the kind of audiences chuubas usually build, there have been plenty of examples of such cases with significant dips in viewership already. It might be a levelheaded rake to say it doesn't matter whether a chuuba collabs with a male since they are basically just co-workers and because they have contact with males outside of streams anyway, making it so that thinking it matters is just a delusion, but most of their viewers aren't levelheaded. They're weebs who'll spend thousands on a fucking PNG of a woman.

>>51868573
>"vtubing is dying" people?
AKA "can read charts" people.

>>51868573
I never said it was dying. The absolute fucking CRAZE is clearly dying off, though. Hell I thought that's what you wanted anyway? To get rid of the casuals?

>>51869063
In the stock market we call this a consolidation. We don't see a 15% drop and think it's going to go to zero. It's just getting rid of the froth, per >>51869558

>>51869063
you might wanna try reading that chart again.

>>51867656
>>51867976
I'm am now learning there are to "Milky" vtubers haha. Miilkywayz and Milky Queen

Milky's only flaw is being very very horny.

>>51862236
Don't think it matters too much most of the time. Above all, I respect vtubers who don't bow down to the "hurting the feelings of the Chinese people" tier antics of delusional psychopaths in their communities. Better to repulse them than have them linger and kneejerk about every perceived "yab" for your entire career.

I have simply accepted that I'm an unicorn for my oshi. The term is mostly used in a derogatory manner, but I just don't care anymore. If she started to seriously go against that I wouldn't cause her more harm than just leaving, but I don't expect her to do that. I care less about other vtubers I casually watch doing that, though I wouldn't watch a male collab with them either.
I know all the usual facts and rrats, so don't bother.

>>51862236
Depends why you're collabing with them, I'd say

>>51862236
depends on the content and chuuba

>>51867976
That's the ideal response from both the viewers and the chuuba. No angry tweets, but a silent abstain. No "incels reee", but adequate measures taken to reconcile. Absolutely beautiful. I might sub.

>>51872407
to fuck them of course

>>51868573
It is.
The hobby got invaded by normalfags too

>>51862583
>Collabing with males could bring lots of viewers
>could
It hasn't so far.

>>51863314
This
>people who spend money
Is is significantly more important than
>based on weather they talk to men or not

>>51863314
normalfags will watch a chuba REGARDLESS of whether she hangs out with males or not, but unicorns won't. If you can choose between some money and all of the money, the answer becomes pretty obvious.

>>51862236
Driving away a single whale could result in a significant hit, tho must of the time they are huge yesmen.

>>51864108
eh kizuna ai did plenty of GFE and lewd pandering
like almost all female vtubers she wasn't a good enough entertainer to stand on her without appealing to the male heart. hence the audience sex ratio

>>51874918
This. Some of Ai-chan's best streams were the ones where she was yuribaiting with Kaguya Luna
I miss Tsuki-chan so much. The Four Kings era may not have been the peak of Vtubing, but it is the time I remember most fondly

>>51865234
Scientifically speaking you're wrong.

>>51867656
Gfe can be very lucrative but if you fuck up even once those unicorns are quick to go somewhere else. JP girls get it, most western girls dont.

>>51862236
It varies. Pic related’s entire brand is pandering to mentally ill loners and even went as far as saying theres no point in male vtubers. if she were to collab with dudes she’d lose the portion of her audience that watches her for that schizo GFE experience whose size can vary. But she’d definitely lose her top paypigs because most of those types are unicorns. I don’t really understand why some Hololive types like Subaru even bother hiding the fact that they used to collab with dudes when her core audience doesn’t see her that way at all. If she collab’d with guys I doubt her audience would drop that much but probably still lose paypigs

>>51862236
Why would anyone not parasocially invested give money to a chuba?

>>51867976
Whats the apology, a vudeo or a tweet?

>>51876732
You’d be surprised how generous people can be. If you give somebody entertainment while they’re bored out their mind at work they’ll feel compelled to give money as thanks for keeping them company. Some donate just because they like you without even bothering to watch you.

>>51876732
That's what most anti parasocial schizos don't get.

>>51876455
I don't understand how she hasn't burnt that particular bridge already from being in a relationship with one of her mods for 2 years, flying the the US to see him multiple times. Even admitting to it on stream herself. Seems like that's a few steps beyond playing a game online with a male.

>>51876956
The time someone starts watching a vtuber matters too. If someone has a scandal, but you start watching her after said scandal you’re less likely to care about it. But if you start watching, and then a scandal happens later, then it’ll affect you more than it would had it happened in the past. Shondo panders heavily nowadays to schizos so as long as she doesn’t break the illusion “now” then it really won’t matter what she did in the past.

>>51876926
delusional nonsense

>>51876117
Milky is a unique case because she didn't just collab with a dude, she did a full 180 and started ERPing with him on screen. Even her diehards were saying it was uncomfortable to watch at best, she's literally retarded to think it wouldn't end up like this.
Though to be fair, she's the one that caught all the flak when the guy was just as guilty. That dude is a notorious horndog and anyone collabing with him is asking for trouble

>>51877446
It’s only delusional if you’ve never had a job. Maybe try showering for once and you’ll get one too someday

>>51876956
As a current regular of hers I view it as a thing
of the past that I don't expect to repeat within my lifetime, and while I can't speak for other, it IMO seems to be the consensus with others like me.
>>51877286
I'm one of the "after" viewers, and it might be a significant factor.

It nonetheless makes me feel a little bad.

>>51877286
>>51877672
Sounds like the type of person who'd take their cheating girlfriend back because they said they wouldn't do it again.

Most people won't be in a relationship with someone if they've known they've cheated before because they've shown they don't have loyalty. They are just waiting for the next time and know how to hide it better.

I'd only apply that standard to a tuber if they were lying, purposely omitting, or going for the GFE. It's 100% a betrayal and shows how they conduct themselves.

>>51876732
>Why would I support my oshi that I respect if they won't personally shelter me from the reality that I am completely alone?
Improve yourself, unironically.

>>51866483
Yes, they're white and ugly as sin.
>Would I fuck them if they were asian?
No because asian's in the west are vile.

>>51878224
Me and most others of her viewers came after the relationship ended + she was open about it at the time, so I don't consider it cheating of any kind, forgivable or not.

for shondo being a pathological liar she sure is good at keeping her viewers subservient with her kayfabe, honestly impressive

>>51878404
>"oishi"
>"respect"
you dont know what either of those words mean vtubing as a medium is innately a disconnect from reality fucking redditor go back

>>51878842
She was hiding it at the time it was going on.
>if they've known they've cheated before

I mean people can do what they want, good on her viewers for trusting it's not something she's doing again... again... again. But I guess not having been in real relationships people don't get that liars will remain liars.

>>51879114
>for shondo being a pathological liar
Right? It's more than one instance... but this time she means it.

>>51879114
how is she a liar

>>51879340
She's "met" with more than one fan besides her mod that she's admitted to.

>>51879274
She wasn't gfe back then, she was very distant with her chat lmao
what's your point

>>51879274
>She was hiding it at the time it was going on
No she wasn't.
I think you know that, but I'm stating it for anyone who doesn't know.

>>51879438
Except she has said she met a few of her fans from her youtube days when she was underage
Why are you making shit up?

>>51879459
>>51879507
>>51879589
See you guys next time lmfao

>>51879340
remember when she said that she doesn't have favorites and thinks of all of her "husbands" as "equal" but then called her fans disgusting on her private twitter which is now nuked

>>51877635
Dude you watch vtubers inbetween stacking shelves. You can't even admit you're parasocial instead you have this delusional cognitive dissonance.

>>51879624
very cool, threader.

>>51879718
cope

>>51862236
It does make a noticeable dent in your overall financials
Guys that tend to care about it tend to be the ones who give you the most money

>>51879624
At least with each thing she stacks up she knows better for the next time

>>51879750
cope for what, retards like you talking about shit you don't know anything about? woe is me.

>>51879126
>The 2D anime woman must pretend to be my girlfriend otherwise I HATE HER.
Sucks to suck I guess.

>>51862666
Anon are you living in some kind of alternate reality where nyanners doesn't have half the CCV she used to
Is this some kind of joke im not aware of, like you kids like to call, a meme?

>>51862895
The fans of a talent huff their own supply and will tell you they aren't parasocial with a girl who they give over 1/3rd of their monthly paycheck to and will support her in everything she does
Never trust anything fans say about themselves

>>51879612
That's all you have to say? Ran out of antinigger methods for when you get told? Check your notes again.

>>51877554
>Though to be fair, she's the one that caught all the flak when the guy was just as guilty.
Its the correct thing, really. She both OKd the collab and didn't stop him. Her fans shouldn't go after the guy here, just as if his fans were bothered they should go after the guy.

"There's at least two of them."

>>51879774
pic re
>>51879861
she will never care about you like she does her pay piggies like darkk

>>51880124
Nothing she's done in the past matters apparently so all that's left to do is wait for the cycle to continue

>>51866497
You have a very entitled worldview that would kill every entertainer.

>>51880212
Whatever you say threadreader.

>>51880212
I forget people here haven't been in relationships so they haven't had experience with stuff other people can see from miles away. Liars will continue to lie.

>>51880234
what circle again?

>>51864439
It was mikewhore.

>>51880312
I remember when I used to be like you, shondo can be very entrancing. But when she has one of her menhera breakdowns again over some other guy, you'll know I'm right

>>51862236
The latter, unironically. Just ignore the resulting seethe. The problem is that you're stuck with some schizos that will gladly still watch you but will call themselves cucks for doing so. Some corpo chuubas(who were once thought to never collab with males) are still doing well post male collabs like Mumei, Kronii, Ame, Mori, and Rin

>>51880460
very cool post threadreader.

>>51862236
In my experience it depends on their conduct. Some mixed gender collabs work out fine, while other ones burn down in infamy. Some collabs are fun and professional, while others have no sense of boundaries and end in the chuubas screeching on twitter about those dastardly parasocial fucks again. It just depends on how well the streamer handles it and how well they understand their audience.

>>51880460
I'll give her some more of my disposable income.

>>51879874
I never understood this thought process. For starters they aren't actual anime girls and second, why seethe over a woman or the males she collabs with? especially when it's purely platonic or even just business related

>>51880625
Post receipts of the extra 10 cents.

>>51862236
In order to expand to a more generalized audience it probably helps if you got rid of the weirdoes

>>51880360
Not him but yeah, a lot of the anons on here are 2 extremes, either completely trustworthy and simping to a fault, or extremely jaded and thinks every single girl is a morally bankrupt succubus

The truth is all types of girls make up the industry, from what I've honestly seen, most of the least toxic vtubers are all in relationships where their bf is literally behind the scenes organizing everything, whereas the most menhera girls that rage at their fans and have breakdowns are all girls haven't even had a man be interested them since highschool

>>51880847
Everyone except you of course.

>>51880751
Great to know that everything I give not only helps her but also makes you seethe more.

>>51880847
>either completely trustworthy and simping to a fault, or extremely jaded and thinks every single girl is a morally bankrupt succubus
lets be honest with ourselves which one is more closer to the truth.

>>51880923
>no receipts
Thought so.

I really want people to think about why someone would go out of their way to watch a cute anime girl and how that would affect them not wanting to watch them to talk with dudes

>>51880703
The problem is, lots of people don't actually believe that a man and a woman can have a platonic relationship. Sadly a lot of those same people pay lots of money, and streamers end up walking on eggshells all the time to appeal to them.

>>51881193
That's the social contract/price they pay for the support they receive. They can either play the Idol part or not, but they shouldn't be surprised about the outcome of one or the other depending on how they portrayed themselves.

>>51881193
>Sadly a lot of those same people pay lots of money, and streamers end up walking on eggshells all the time to appeal to them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAlTOfl9F2w

>>51881155
I see, you are the hate-watcher. See you next stream!

>>51879874
you are 35 years old
you watch cum town
you are incapable of enjoying anything authentically without a layer of irony
you go on the 4chan "vtuber" board and talk about parasocials to feel better about your sad balding retard self kys

>>51862236
It drives away /vt/, but /vt/ is not seen as an audience that supports their oshis so nobody actually cares.

>>51881331
If the outcome is that they lose some money then sure, however if tards start screeching and crying that there favorite streamer isn't actually dating them, then I place more blame on them for acting like children.

>>51881418
Whatever cope makes you feel better retard.

>>51880124
The shadow anti arguments are always funny because people try to find loopholes in her past, at this point she has explained so many things on stream against rrats that you could write a book memorized by her viewers

>>51881193
>lots of people don't actually believe that a man and a woman can have a platonic relationship
Not without a reason.

>>51862926
>even before idol culture penetrated the west
Dude you are idiot, girls can be big if they a partner (tho most of the time partner is famous too) but playing the "am single" game its an immense buff. Pokimane will sic her army of lawyers on you if you imply she has a bf because she knows it would cause her damage.

>>51882033
she’s not going to let you into her DM’s buddy

>>51862236
Only if you play the GFE game, if you want to be a male collaber do it like in the first week of your debut, don't get shocked if you stream for over 1 year ignoring males and one day you include them in your content and it makes your paypigs mad

It's always bad to drive away viewers. You're an entertainer. That means you are here to entertain. You shouldn't be doing anything that affects your popularity negatively without thinking it through 100%. None of this "Fuck the haters" bullshit that some people say. The people that are saying that shit are the people who are failing.
If you don't understand what you are going into then don't do it until you do. If you join an idol company, you are joining into something with per-established rules. If you go slightly outside those rules, that's usually fine. If you want to flip the script and change a lot of the rules then be prepared for backlash. If you are doing GFE then heavily flirting with another streamer of the opposite gender live is going to be a terrible idea. If you take a minute to actually think then it's easy to not fuck things up but most of these vtubers cave into the slightest pressure

>>51882276
>Note response checked

>>51882276
I mean... she might, if history is anything to go on

>>51882419
brainwashed

>>51866610
>actual sensible reply to this retarded unicorn discourse
>absolutely zero replies to it
really makes you think

>>51862895
>>51864439
>Rushis/Mikeneko would never say this
Not sure why our anti is sperging out so hard here, but yes
At this point, out of her top donators, easily half if not more aren't Unicorns. Either neutral to Unicorn ideology or actually against it. She actually ended up losing one of her biggest donators for defending Unicorns publicly.
If you read between the lines of her defence, one of her points was basically that she noticed that Unicorns tends to be gachikoi, so she won't collab with men because it would hurt people who are in love with her. I don't even think this is a controversial opinion, so I have no idea why that one anon decided to have a spergout here about it.

>>51865082
just because youve never had a female friend you believe retarded shit like this

>>51865082
>Men and women can never be just friends
Not true all the time, retard. I will never be more than just friend with either ann ugly fujo or a fat bitch. Even worse if she's both, god help us all, kek.

>>51883139
I had and it generally has followed the same pattern over time. Either I want to dick them or they want the D. If neither happens then you just gotta wait. Platonic friendships are a rarity in my experience.

>>51862236
neither. western findompigs are rising.

>>51862895
anti-corns ether don't even watch vtubers or are unicorns towards another oshi.

>>51883084
You don't get to claim unicorns pay the most and therefore get to decide on everything but then say they actually don't when it suits your argument.
Mikewhore cucked her fans several times.

>>51862236
Well look at how Hollywood, and both the comic and video game industries are doing right now to answer your question.

>>51862236
I'd say it's a small minority by default. But if the particular VTuber does any kind of remotely GFE-type content, she will cultivate the type of audience where most would be upset by male collabs.
For instance, if someone like Nene Amano collabed with males, she'd lose damn near 100% of her audience. Whereas someone like Kirsche would be largely unaffected by it.

>>51877554
>Though to be fair, she's the one that caught all the flak when the guy was just as guilty. That dude is a notorious horndog and anyone collabing with him is asking for trouble
Going after the dude just makes you look like a jealous cuckold whining about a more attractive man. At least the woman will be sorry, the man will gloat.

At the end of the day, it all comes down to the extremes. You like CGDCT and prefer girls only interactions? Good! You enjoy watching collabs between guys and girls? Also good! What is NOT good is going over the extreme with those preferences and railing against the streamers. Collab begging is not right, neither is going schizo over them happening. Simply put, don't be a prick.

>>51884350
Making a fuck ton of money?

>>51884761
you been living under a rock? the comic book industry is basically dead (and losing constantly to manga) and the box office is crashing as we speak.

>>51866610
I don't understand how you can spend the first half of your post calling unicorns and GFE unstable, then use the most retarded almost-career ending GFE out there with an audience full of unicorns as an example of something to look towards. Some whales like Orca will stay whipped until the end of time, sure, but those are few and far between, and you still have to sell your soul to the volatile whales first. They don't just magically materialize.

>>51884262
I have never claimed that Unicorns get to decide because of their monetary donations. You are ascribing to me an argument that I have never made
The reason she chooses to make Unicorns happy is that they love her. This might not make sense to your schizophrenia addled mind, but not every Unicorn on this board is the same person.
If she was only concerned about money, she would have listened to her biggest donator at that time, Megane, and thrown out her Unicorns. Instead she kept her Unicorns and Megane left after screaming at her
Honestly you sound like a screaming Homobeggar

>>51862236
depends
Filian went from 3-4k to 5-6k after the OTK arc

>>51884605
Its a relative thing. Part of the issue is how the streamers try to turn themselves into an habit, a generally present thing in your life. Under those circumstances people will complain about the things they dont like because normally the streamer does things they like, so they break the cycle and people dont know what to do. Given the lack of apparent options to them, many will watch it anyways, but will get mad and voice their opinion.
If the streamer is casual, inconsistent and ignores viewers outside of the stream then obviously there will be less people attached, hence less people would get mad at the streamer doing whatever collab you can think of.

>>51885103
That's the general argument of the unicorn side in these threads where you come in to argue in favor of the unicorns. How about just stay out if you don't want to be on that side of the argument? Don't make catalog threads either.

>>51885330
Stop being mentally ill and arguing with Unicorns
Use your time to support your oshi instead

Give beggars an inch and they take a mile.
Don't bother indulging them

>>51884761
if you ignore the decline of the comic books industry (to the point that manga has all but replaced it) and how poorly that Disney (one of the largest media giants in the west) has been doing, and the utter sad state of modern video games (I mean it was like that to begin with, but holy shit a lot of companies been pumping out failures lately)

>>51862236
it depends, if you do GFE shit, then you are just asking for majority of your audience to be unicorns and a massive backlash.

>>51862236
This is the wrong place to ask, as it is the unicorn central of the internet. It can work, the biggest example being Ironmouse. She collabs with males all the time and she's rolling in cash.

>>51885684
That's mostly because you won't be shamed for it
A lot more people are at least passively aligned with it, even if they don't realise

>>51862236
Depends on how talented the vtuber is. If all you want is money, pandering to lonely men on the internet is a LOT easier than, you know, actually being entertaining, which is why the vast majority of vtubers try to follow the idol mindset.

>>51885684
Not with the twitch changes she isn't lmao

>>51862236
>Don't do GFE
>but also don't collab with males
The winning formula. It's that simple.

sometimes

>>51885429
You should take your own advice.

>>51865082
Is that why you haven't called your mom in years? Because that would be inherently sexual and flirty?

Lol

>>51862236
It's fine if you're entertaining enough.

Just pick what kind of vtuber you want to be.
Like 99% of western vtubers are generic twitch style sluts, so if you want to join them go ahead.
If you want to be the 1% that goes for gachikoi and does GFE, great, but do it properly.

The main problem with male collabs is that there really arnt male vtubers who arnt annoying, especialy when interacting with females. People mention mouse and Connor as an example of male collabs not driving viewers away, but he is one of the like, 3 men in the vtuber comunity who doesn't rely on loud = funny, has a decent voice, and doesn't act wierd when in a call with a woman.

Confirmation bias running rampant up in this

>>51862236
>does it just drive away the tiny undesirable minority?
this is a business,

>>51862236
Drives me away. I already have a whore I watch. I dont need another

YESTERDAYS EN TWITCH/YOUTUBE TALLY OF THE DAY (06/16)*
>13,328: Ironmouse (Vshojo)
>8,412: Mori (Hololive)
>7,031: Shylily (Mythic)
>6,949: Vei (Mythic)
>5,872:Ame (Hololive)
PER COMPANY
>1x Hololive
>1x Nijisanji
>14x Vshojo
>0x Mythic
>0x Indie


*EN TWITCH/YOUTUBE TALLY W/ TWITCH DEBUFF [Twitch avg vs YT peak] (06/16)*
>10,118: Ironmouse (Vshojo)
>8,412: Mori (Hololive)
>5,872:Ame (Hololive)
>5,200: Shylily (Mythic)
>6,949: Vei (Mythic)
PER COMPANY
>2x Hololive
>1x Nijisanji
>12x Vshojo
>0x Mythic
>0x Indie

GOLD PER TALENT
>14xIronmouse
>1x Ina
>1x Ren
>1x Fauna:

>>51878404
Thanks Ame

Western audiences can't even behave whenever there is a legit GFE vtuber. They ask for tits, ASMR, and "Mommy play" and then they fucking wonder why the majority of western vtubers act like sluts.

>>51879927
>when the unicorn is faced with the reality that him not watching the vtuber is of not importance to anyone

KEKed. LMAOed even.

>>51884761
>western comics
>making money

>>51865082
How many time this "friends" turn out fucking each other on western side. People did an experiment and let the girl call her guy friend and talk about her breakout, he would fuck her on the spot if he got the chance and you called them "friend"

>>51886221
Explain? I don't use twitch

>>51886587
Better yet don't talk with chat, be a forsen

>>51896949
Based normiefag, treat them like a product.

There's a couple of good en gfe streamers that understand the no male thing I watch but vt doesn't like them because they act horny for their chat, vt only wants gfe streamers who act like they never get horny

>>51897555
name 1

>>51897758
Lucy pyre, saruei

>>51862583
hard to answer. look at mori, never shied away from male collabs and she's the top holo EN in terms of supas. it's no wonder she makes the schizos seethe.

>>51897965
Lucy is not gfe though. She just respects her fans while being a ero lover.

>>51898039
If she's not gfe what do you have to do to be gfe?

>>51898154
Saying "I love you" in a girlfriend type of way, not a streamer/friend type of way

>>51862236
Depends on the chuubas size, audience, and the style of content (or pandering) they've been using to gain/maintain an said audience.

>>51863241
this, top donors claiming they're just normal people and not parasocial as fuck freaks is the absolute biggest fucking joke in the medium. if their oshi says she doesn't like it, they'll agree with her even if it's a direct contradiction. but of course - the girl doesn't actually-have strong-enough convictions to disable superchats/donos. if she didn't want to give people some false hope of getting her favor/attention then shut off the donations. none of them put their money where their mouth is of course.

>>51862583
>Collabing with males could bring lots of viewers if it's entertaining enough
>if its entertaining enough
Unless you're hexagonally talented and a hardworking autist like Suisei then forget it, people like you described are nothing unique. People like Bei, Ironmouse and Nyanners are only big because they're already an established veteran ecelebs.

>>51893240
This and based, in EN sphere not obnoxious male vtubers are basically don't exist, and also their fans always are vary kind of trash

>>51862236
It does if you call your fans "husbands" or pretend to be their mommy.

>>51893240
Hartvigen >>>>> that faggot Connor

The 2 vtubers I watch with no male rules (shobdo and nina) didn't implement it because of chat, they both had male collabs that went so badly they decided to never collab with men again.

>>51899994
Agreeing to have a 3-hour conversation with a self-declared psychology expert and telling him everything about your childhood traumas live on Twitch isn't a male collab issue, it's a lack of brain issue.

>>51899994
I liked the nina collab, that's the kind of male collab I would watch. The guy was very flirty and kept trying to move the conversation into that direction, but she shot him down every time, then afterwards made jokes about him being a sexpest. Now whenever she shows chat love it feels great because you know she doesn't act like that with other men even if they iniriate it, only with us.

>>51900370
Holy shit just stop. You have no pride at all

>>51900436
?

>>51897965
are those 2 seriously the best examples you can come up with