/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>51736510
Remember when Vox exploded onto the vtubing scene and starting raking in the most money out of all vtubers male or female? He singehandedly forced Cover to launch Tempus in response. It's crazy how he fell out of favor so much.

>>51736510
Why is this shit in Chinese

>>51736510
amish doink

>>51736898
Did he actually beat Chloe for the year?

>>51736510
Gura doko?

>>51736510
This is how they bamboozled the industry into debuting males

>>51737348
jesas.

>>51736510
Here's the sorted version for your convinence

>Finana and Kiara losing more than 40%
i can understand finana she's genuinely retarded but what happened with kiara??

>>51736898
No doubt it was partially bolstered by bots

>>51738077
She started playing alot more long multi part rpgs that nobody gave a shit about

>>51737965
>only vchubba to increase ccv
Mommy I kneel

>>51738077
Same reason

>>51736510
Shamefur dispray kiara

>>51738077
On May last year she was doing mostly collabs and buff streams so her numbers were higher.

>>51737965
Crazy all the niji males even in noctyx reclined.

>>51736898
>>51736510
Apparently, getting doxxed and getting found out that you have multiple girlfriends hurts you
I mean, if this was LITERALLY ANY OTHER job the same thing would happen unless you're muslim. This is HIS FAULT all the way, don't give me any of this "muh doxx" bullshit.

Maybe next time, don't be a retard and get caught

>>51739142
that doesn't explain how literally everyone but fauna reclined

>>51739268
No, but it does explain why such a popular personality like Vox fell so hard
Everybody else is understandable by comparison; the pandemic is over, people are moving on from chuubas

>>51736510
>>51737965
>Mommy is the only one who slightly inclined
Based mommy. Too bad Irys couldn't make it

>>51736510
where's gura?

>>51739457
-100% (doesn't stream)

>>51736510
Where's this chart for JP?

>>51739457
Doesn't stream enough to qualify for number charts anymore

We did it menbros, we proved we're more loyal

>>51736510
The main two drivers of Luxiem's popularity were Mysta and Vox. Mysta stopped trying altogether after letting all the drama in and around him get to his mental, intentionally says things to alienate yume fans etc and has been constantly talking about how he doesn't give a shit about growing his channel for like half a year now. Vox I think lost sight of what made him popular and let people that weren't his audience steer him into making streams that appeal to a more general audience instead of being his brand of vtubing he became known for. Nobody watched those streams. Now he in stuck in a cycle of streaming for a week then has a mental breakdown and then takes a break for weeks on repeat.

>>51736510
Goddamn, Kiara's dying.
Two years from now she'll look at the ruins of her career and realise how much her insistence on her chicken voice cost her.
And then she'll kill herself.

>>51739268
Retard 4% would be a margin of error. And Ina spamming only botw isn’t a recline newfag

b-b-but fuana s- s -said i-i-im not y-y-your friends....

I can't wait to see Luxiem's demise.
I hope Vox chokes on pills.

>>51740856
It's not just her voice. Her voice is just the easiest thing to bring up

Isn't there someone who's missing?

>>51736510
>Pomu
>-33%
All this time and unsubbing from her still hurts.

>>51737965
>KFP are abandoning Kiwawer
But I thought not streaming with males made her a true idol? Why is she so shit?

>>51739393
She held almost the same average over nearly double the streams, that has to count for something

>>51742555
no stream in May, no comparisation possible
she would need at least 1 stream in both years

>>51739268
Because everyone dropped the kayfabe. They listened to the faggots on Twitter that wanted them to "do whatever as long as you're happy!" No, niggers. We want them to act like idols. Yes, even Nijisanji. Unfortunately all EN streamers eventually just shitters like fleshtubers. If they didn't use a vtuber model they'd literally be doing the same shit. JP girls know to keep up the act and that's why they never reclined.

>>51743150
shes always been shit. shes just not entertaining.

>>51739142
Zhang hands typed this

>>51736510
They lost the all-out war lol

>>51736510
>>51743150
>Kiara ruining the almost perfect CGDCT sweep over homobeggars
It's over. Popular demand gen 3 soon.......

>>51736510
Mumei has barely stream because she is on a break and is still third. kek

>>51737348
>sub 1k subscribers on debut
>general won't link to them even though that company's girls are terminally /here/
>that CCV on debut month
I don't think there's a better example in EN of a fanbase closing ranks and showing faggots exactly how much they're not wanted. Sadly it doesn't seem like Prism management got the message.

>>51739268
Ina’s been spamming Zelda, Mumei’s had health problems, the others have also had their own brands of CCV poison spam, and apparently Fauna is experiencing a slight drop from April to May and May to June, but not enough yet to be below where she was last year.

Why did the niji girls recline?

you should be only watching JP vtubers

can you numberchimps stay in your containment thread?

>>51749898
ok ken-sama

>>51737965
Vtubing seems to be in decline in general.

>>51749899

>>51738482
Wild how these bots were able to donate that much

>>51736510
Most fujos left. That's it. You can even see which ones were pandering to it the most, with how much Vox and Ike fell off.
It's really sad, too, because both could be higher-than-average entertainers and can be really funny/witty.
But they can't change anything now, most new people like me immediately filter out after the fiftieth "ikey wikey" and other babying shit in a single stream.
It's who they are now. They can't go back. Mysta is trying, and it's not working at all. Vox is trying to pander even more and failing spectacularly, causing meltdowns in the process. And Ike... I don't know what the fuck he's doing, really. I feel like he'd be the one who would want the "clear slate" the most, but he's really good at keeping himself in check, so we'll never know what he really thinks about their rise (and fall).

No one actually cares about Nijisanji numbers, what's important is why Hololive EN declined

>>51736510

>>51736510
Over a year and this board is still in love with Luxiem and can't stop talking about them. These kings of light just can't stop winning.

>>51750175
>[shitskin headcanon]
No one cares about your pitiful 14 reply broken Japanese thread on matome: >>51750242
>>51750503

>>51750843
>Fujos
Didn't read your blog post. Your opinion never mattered in the first place and they'd all be 3views if they ever pandered to your kind.

>>51750222
No one needs 10k ccv to get devoted paypigs.

>>51751789
>but-but the supach- ACK
lmao those have tanked too, your luxiem fucks have tanked in every metric, enjoy yet another numberfagging induced menhera breakdown from one of them

>>51736510
>Pippa would be able to make it on this chart
Wild.

>>51736898
>be parasocial streamer
>shit on parasocial fans
>collab with females and troll all fans that are invested in you
Western fuckboys will never learn

Kobo collab, Valkyrie Connect collab, Vacation with Reine streams, new original song vs. a lot of long Zelda streams. No way Kiara lost viewers in comparison...

Overall the ccv for vtubers are going down, but specific comparisons are very flawed.

>>51751963
It's a good thing it happened because for whatever reason HoloEN girls only realised that such behaviour was a problem after they see a bunch of chink women get hurt from it, weren't affected by men being hurt from their actions.

>>51751669
JP nijisanji existed solely on fujo bucks. Male Otaku didn't spend a dime on it.

>>51751872
Not arguing that, the luxiem sister I'm responding to thinks bots couldn't have been used because muh sc.

>>51742555
Imagine streaming so little you get left out of statistics charts. Holy fuck, even cuckbeats and teakeks aren't this pathetic.

Torturing myself by waking up at 1am to tune in every Fauna stream seems to be paying off.

This really paints a bleak future for overseas vtubing, everyone is declining across the boards and by significant amounts (with the exceptions of Fauna and IRyS). Is there a way to compare similar numbers for VShojo and other corpos and indies?

>>51752798
Yeah, people will try to spin it into a narrative against their most hated vtubers, but the reality is that the bubble burst + oversaturation. It's not "over", but it's going to remain a niche thing. I don't expect the japanese corporations to invest much more in the western scene.

>>51752889
Nah its a rrat that the hololive decline is because of factors outside of hololive.
You get faggots using the "covid is over" excuse for this exact data, despite it being 2022-2023.
Fauna inclined to most popular when at debut she was the 2nd least popular in the entire branch.
Just accept that people who got interested in Hololive were looking for HoloJP but in English and the girls took the time to crush that.

>>51753025
>Just accept that people who got interested in Hololive were looking for HoloJP but in English
I haven't ever heard it phrased that way, but I'll admit that it does explain things pretty well. How do you explain Kiara though?

>>51752889
Ya that is my big takeaway and worry from this, why would the likes of Hololive and Nijisanji cater all that much more to fickle overseas fans? Seeing these returns I don't see much improvement on seeing a EN3 soon and a EN4 ever at this rate.

>>51737338
That's the joke, anon

>>51753145
Well my first experience of Kiara was the clip where she was upset that someone complained she was speaking too much German and Japanese in her streams and how she was the least popular member in Myth.
She was never loved.
For current Kiara specifically though, she is not like the JP girls in the sense that she said about her stream hours
>"I will not affect my sleeping schedule to stream at a different time"

>>51753177
I don't pay enough attention to Nijisanji to comment about them, but I do imagine that HoloEN is still profitable for Cover. Sure, it might be off the backs of a few heavy hitters, but they also don't seem to spend much on supporting them. I doubt that they'll close the branch any time soon. If EN3 is truly in the works, I can see them still debuting it, but I wouldn't ever bet any money on EN4. I know am realizing I'm just rephrasing your post.

>>51736510
Any of (You) unicorn schizos peddling rrats about cgdct and homobegging etc. care to explain how Kiara got rekt so hard and Enna didn't?

>>51753285
Enna is the NijiCN clique leader and gets 20 raids a stream.
That much is clearly visible, what is not visible is how else she uses the "power" of the clique.
Kiara is easy to explain>>51753266

>>51753266
Not sure I buy the sleep schedule angle. Are you implying that she isn't dedicated enough or something? I do get that she might just be uniquely unlikeable though, and it's kind of hard to make an argument against it using stats.

>>51753352
>Enna is the NijiCN clique leader
Then why didn't she get to be in one of the first two gens?

>>51753358
It's a mindset.
It doesn't matter how dedicated she is, she's dedicated for herself. HoloJPs are dedicated to their fans and schedule their lives in that way.

>>51753285
Enna reclined but gets raids even when most of nijien is struggling more.

>>51753397
she wasn't there? do you know what a clique is? it's not an official thing delegated by job experience, obviously?

>>51753404
Kiara seems pretty dedicated to her fans, in my opinion. But I do get the mindset thing. Kiara seems dedicated to the hardcore set of fans she has slowly cultivated, and the ones who don't fit into that mold don't matter to her. JP talents are more self-sacrificing and want to be dedicated to all possible fans. I guess it makes sense.

>>51736510
this explains the luxiem menhera episodes

>>51753486
I've listened to her speak hundreds of times. I know what love is.
She loves herself.

>>51753575
She loves the fans that love her unconditionally because she loves herself first and foremost. Yeah, that makes sense.

>>51736510
It's the EN Vtubing in general that's declining. In the long run, the market is not sustainable in place where people calls anime enjoyers pedophiles.

>>51753471
My understanding was that the clique existed before any of them were hired. If her friends saw her as in charge, why wouldn't they step back and let her in first?

>>51753645
EN vtubing has been declining since 1 month after Myth debut apparently.
Lets have some other numbers.\
Faunas median during debut week was lower than her median January this year.

So this is why Mysta is going menhera

>itt retards who don't take a look at what's happening outside vtubing
And yeah why would you but it's pretty obvious that streaming as a whole is on a slight recline, it will stabilize after a while and then numbers will rise back up again

>>51753797
I know that the very recent trend on that graph disputes what I'm about to say, but I'm very surprised that Kronii has had this much staying power. I really expected her to completely crater.

>>51736957
Because Taiwanese exist you fucking retarded dogshit

>>51753849
Hololive doing crypto gambling streams on kick when!?

>>51744294
Yeah, I was wondering about that. Speaks volumes that it's just down 20% when she's been basically half on break since year start.

>>51753812
>is going
His mental illness has been a thing mostly independent of his numbers.

>>51738077
Well Kiara's a bitch, she's a big fat bitch, she's the biggest bitch in the whole VTubing world
She's a stupid bitch, if there ever was a bitch
She's a bitch to all the boys and girls

>>51753849
QRD? I might be aware of what you are referring to but what is going on that is causing the downturn in streaming and audience?
Is it the changes to Twitch? Ending of Covid? I can make a half dozen half assed guesses but not quite sure what you are hinting at.

>>51754175
The world is on the brink of a recession, if not already in one.

>>51738077
She's not as bad as most say but out of Myth she's the least popular, and the Myth sphere/box has been bleeding hard.

>>51736510
I'm not a fan of these one month snapshots. Can you do January 1st to May 31st instead?

We already have /#/ thread, shitskin

>>51753950
If there is anything to take away from watching self-sabotage and vtubers being able to entertain, one thing I have noticed is that viewers will forgive yabes committed by streamers if they continue to be entertaining (Kronii, Towa, Kobo). On the reverse, even if no yabes are committed but the streamer is by and large not entertaining then they will suffer (Mel, Bae, Anya).
Yabes unless they are nuclear grade does not matter
Being entertaining does matter.

>>51754319
We also have how many gura threads being spammed daily? not your hugbox sis

>>51753593
I don't think I can agree with that considering she shills her 'fan artists'/'fan creators' a lot and even managed to get them for official stuff. She also seems to try stuff her fans love even though she thinks she might not like it like watching Star wars, John Wick, playing games like GTA, Hotline Miami etc... She also replies to a lot of fan artists/ fans on twitter. Also the whole 'dokomi' convention was very insane and in fact risky. She made hand-signed stuff for every fan that met her and met IRL.

You actually got it wrong as to why she is not tourist friendly and declining. It is because she is too parasocial and cares too much about fan interaction/engagement that it turns off newcomers and lurkers. Unlike IRyS or Kronii who only does this to their paypigs during SC readings, Kiara talks a lot about these 'special fan creators, other vtubers within hololive and outside hololive, IRL friends' during the regular gameplay. She reads a lot of 'live chat' as well which breaks the flow and reactions during gameplay.
In fact the biggest timeloop/baitposting in her general (and sometimes fauna's general) is not getting twitter likes or hearts on their youtube comments or not reading their live chat comments.
The other ENs like Gura, Ina, Ame actually have the best format where they stream and focus on the gameplay/reactions. Read minimal superchats and create a sort of wall between their real life and fans not revealing much of their personal life, behind the scene stuff, minimal bland mentions of other vtubers/members, and vague mentions of their future plans and activities.

>>51754324
It's a bit different with members like Mel since she never declined she just never inclined

>>51754281
well all of those unemployed now have time to watch streams

>>51754491
HoloEN only stream in the hours after work anyway and that was true even during covid peak

>>51738077
I'm more interested in Ame's decline. She used to be so popular here, close to Gura level despite not having a third of her subs. But it's like she's faded into nothingness. I know the whole "improve yourself" thing happened, but I don't see a lot of Ame antis. It's just like she stopped existing. What happened to the "protagonist" of Myth?

>>51754530
HoloJP unironically matches up better with my working hours, all the HoloEN who do afternoon streams I miss completely. I get that not everyone can stream same time as Gura's primetime slot but some of the hours chosen are a bit oof.

>>51753025
vtubing in the west was still a fad and nothing you say disputes that at all
no HoloENs get numbers from the time of Myth debut

>>51737348
>Prism
>Males
What?

>>51737965
Lol I like how they constantly ego search and how much this kills them insjde

>>51754767
>She used to be so popular here
she still is so popular here, doesn't reflect her overall viewership though

>>51752166
>imagine being left out of numberfaggotry
No wonder /#/ is permanently seething about Gura

>>51754359
noe your spambox either

>>51754843
Seriously though, doing my best not to shit on the girls, each member of Myth is so vastly different from each other that you could tell from the early collabs that something wasn't working right.
The member that is most popular, Gura, VoD views were hitting 1m after a month regularly until mid 2022.
Gura herself made some serious flaws.
Lets think about Karaoke for a second. Ever since the karaoke that got over 100k viewers(can't be bothered checking the exact number) she began to take the karaoke streams way too seriously, practiced for karaoke streams beforehand and tried to create themes for them.
Major blunder.
There are lots of example of all Myth girls making major mistakes very very early in their careers.

>>51754987
that's some projection from you sis

>>51755002
Those aren't major mistakes, they aren't even minor mistakes, they are nitpicks
The only major mistakes they make are not streaming
But even for EN members that don't make this mistake, the situation is the same, they don't get the big numbers they got from 2020
Vtubing in the international space was a bubble, there was a large amount of interest when it was novel which wore off, this is something that happens all the fucking time

>>51755002
>>51755094
This is like an advanced form of trying to avoid reddit spacing. Truly bizarre.

>>51754468
Pretty good writeup. Kiara is fantastic if you are specifically looking for an oshi as she'll always look to please her biggest fans, but she scares away casuals or at the very least she does not give them an angle to latch onto her. Since there's heaps more of the latter viewers than the former, she's bound to be struggling until she either changes her approach to streaming or gets viral somehow.

>>51755180
I don't need to try to avoid pressing enter twice, I just press it once

>>51755094
I don't think taking Karaoke seriously is a minor mistake.
For me karaoke streams are a big part of hololive and the intention of karaoke is to sing infront of people because you think it's fun to sing. It's not to impress people.
It doesn't matter how amazing the karaoke streams end up being if it's not a regular thing.

>>51755263
>For me
You don't matter, you're one viewer
HoloEN has not reclined because you don't like the frequency of Gura's karaoke streams

>>51755002
>>51755094
I remember clearly an era when Gura was consistently getting more viewers than Pekora even, it really was such a different time. EN will probably never see such heights ever again.

>>51755316
This is about numbers primarily, not about me.
It's objective.
What would have been better for numbers, 1 karaoke stream every 6 months or a karaoke stream every week for 2 years?

>>51755359
Overall it wouldn't make a fucking difference, a lot of people show up for karaoke streams but there's nothing to suggest that translates to overall viewer growth

>>51754468
>>51755228
Kiara is very good at having her finger on the pulse of her fanbase and even the wider Hololive fanbase to an extent. Still remember back when the subreddit was still relevant and when Mel came onto HoloTalk that Kiara fully knew of that Frodo guy and asked Mel about him. Mel had no idea what Kiara was talking about at all.

>>51755417
Avoiding answering the question is answering it, you answered that more numbers would be obtained from regular karaoke streams.

>>51736510
fuck off and go back to /#/

>>51755463
No I didn't, I said there's no evidence to suggest that, obviously I can't say for certain because we're talking in hypotheticals
There's nothing to suggest karaoke streams drive viewer growth

>>51754767
She losed her motivation. She suddenly stop doing anything new, even a slightly new, just spam some game again and again, maybe her real life problem

>>51755514
Diddums, that wasn't the topic.
The topic is Gura who after getting a record karaoke CCV, stopped doing as many karaokes.
Would it not have been better for her, not today but at that time, to have been doing regular karaokes?

>>51755359
That level of frequency kills setlist variety and leads to the girl getting burnt out on karaoke. That’s why Mumei ended up taking a break from karaokes after doing them weekly for five months straight.

>>51755652
Why do the girls experience that? JP girls love singing.
Even Coco wouldn't get bored of the songs she sang.

Mysta scared of luxiem fangirls

46:25
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aK50X1klpl8 [Embed] [Open]
Mysta talking about how crazy luxiem fans scare him away from doing collabs and creative streams

>I actually feel more limited and it's not just because of company stuff
>It's also because of past things that happened being in luxiem, past controversy bullshit from fans
>so a lot of you know that I said a long time ago I never want to do an off collab again and that's still true
>I'm very scared to do what I wanna do
>I would love to go to close friend's houses and do collabs with them and shit but it's too much of a headache
>My mindset in the past was I have an idea, I'm gonna do the idea
>But now it's I have an idea, but am I allowed to do the idea and then is it a good idea to do it with people I wanna do it with
>how will it affect me and them, how will things be in the long and short term for us and will this affect future collabs with other people
>more times than not it's more risk for the other person
>you guys have seen how fucking crazy luxiem, vtuber fans can be
>people in chat here are silent but they chat on other websites
>and these people will go out of their way to harass anyone I talk to

Note Shoto recently said he was scared away from nijien collabs by the luxiem sisters

>>51755644
I don't know what metric you consider important, peak viewership doesn't really mean anything except for waving your dick around, average viewership is more important
But the more regular you make a karaoke stream the less of an event it is and the less people will show up

>>51755750
You're just saying a lot of shit that comes across as cope.
What is the intention of your posts exactly?
I said that not doing regular karaoke was a mistake from Gura.
It's objective fact.

>>51754767
nothing happened, and that's the problem. Ame is just boring now.

>>51755695
Because it’s the same songs week in and week out. Makes you feel like you’re in a rut. Mumei took a break from karaoke, expanded her repertoire, then went back to it at a more reasonable pace.

>>51755750
>more regular you make a karaoke stream the less of an event it is
Opposite.
Routine is what makes something eventful. Tradition and holidays are the primary examples of events.
>the less people will show up
Every single hololive member gets the expected range of CCV from their Karaokes every single time. It never declines when it happens routinely.

>>51755858
I guess I just don't get it. People talk about Gura buckling under pressure, but Ame just seemed to... give up, I guess?

>>51755798
I don't have any ulterior motive
You have to define what you mean by "mistake"
If you mean you just didn't like it, what you personally like is fucking irrelevant
If you mean it was bad for her popularity, then maybe, in a minor sense, but karaoke isn't actually a strong engagement driver and I think you're just biased because you like karaoke
If she did one a week it would definitely get old real fast

>>51755873
? If you listen to a song regularly it's because it's good, I listen to the same songs I listened to 20 years ago how can you get sick of songs?
Other members don't have this issue.
I don't believe the case that Mumei took a break from karaoke for that reason.

>>51754468
I don't know if others feel the same, but one debuff of hers to me personally was her 'stream length' and no DVR enabled. Luckily she has a dedicated timestamper but even still the VODs are very intimidating when they are 6-9 hrs long for multipart game streams. I have no issue watching from the middle of a stream if it is something like MC/drawing streams/karaokes. I think it would really help if she released 'highlights' videos (30min-1hr length) of her jrpg/story based streams.

>>51755890
If you had Christmas every week nobody would give a shit

>>51755933
Anon, she literally said that was why. Listening to a song regularly and performing it regularly are two different things, you’re comparing apples to oranges.

>>51755953
Aye alright but do you know what karaoke is?
It's not an event. Depending on where you live it might be a daily thing.

>>51755996
She said it was the reason but only like 1 week ago stopped coughing every 2 minutes for a year straight

>>51756000
People show up for karaoke streams because it's an event, that's why they get bigger numbers, because it doesn't happen all the time

>>51756063
No they don't, people show up to karaoke because its cute anime girls singing just like they show up to watch games because it's cute anime girls playing games.
Im waiting for Minecraft with Okayu.
I have never played MC in my life and never will.

>>51756093
Did you even read my post you fucking idiot
MORE people show up because it's not something that happens all the time
If it did happen all the time, it wouldn't get a viewership boost

>>51756063
>it's an event
EN bros live like this

>>51739457
I think the cut off for these is 5 streams. Gura only had 2. I did her averages anyway: May 2022= 20,802 (11 streams), May 2023=17,447 (2 streams).

>>51756176
It's an event for JPs too, they dont do karaoke all the time

>>51756093
That's your subjective experience. For HoloEN especially, karaoke became a mini-event, not just something thrown into a schedule. Japanese members largely avoided this issue by not doing schedules in the first place, so they sing when they want to, without pressure to be compared to others, not to mention how the karaoke culture there encourages casual singing.

>>51756153
It doesn't get a viewership boost, it gets the expected numbers you would expect each member to get in a karaoke stream.
It would get the same numbers the exact next day if overlap was the same.

>>51756214
>not to mention how the karaoke culture there encourages casual singing.
I noticed in movies a few times where someone was booed on karaoke in the US, does stuff like that actually happen? That's bizarre.
In the UK it's about having a laugh.

>>51756218
Karaoke streams get more viewers than a gaming stream or a talking stream
It's like you're desperately trying to misunderstand me any way you can

>>51756264
Karaoke streams don't get more viewers than a gaming or a talking stream in holoJP?

So we have reached a consensus. Western Vtuber growth is still declining and this will keep thinning every passing day.

Maybe next year we'll see some future growth in viewership, but this year is not the one.

>>51756296
They often do, it depends, but we're talking about EN
What the fuck are you even trying to prove

>>51756342
Are you fucking retarded I repeated it for you like 5 minutes ago, the topic is Gura and how after she got an extremely large CCV for a karaoke stream she started to practice for her karaoke streams(lol) and overthink it to the point it became irregular.
I said that was a blunder.

My uncontrollable love for fauna has never felt more justified. So proud of my wife.
Also our daughter/sister-in-law, Mumei, is still in the top three despite losing 20%. Solid cope material.

>>51756384
You haven't defined what a "blunder" is
You aren't making a coherent point
You aren't very intelligent

>>51756257
Movies are not reality, but there's a much bigger emphasis on showing your best while singing in the West. Think of all the talent shows that focus on finding the next big singer.
In Japan, to my knowledge, there are no such shows (or they are not as popular as their western counterparts) and even idols with mediocre singing are popular as long as they shine on stage and have something likeable about them.

>>51756384
Anon, you can't just people retarded because they don't understand your takes. You didn't even explain what a blunder is in your language.

>>51756426
>>51756471
>arguing with SEA
ogey I understand why it didn't make sense

So why did Luxiem AND noctyx die?

>>51756523
English is my only language
I'd guess you were SEA by how unintelligent you were
If you think she could have somehow held onto those huge numbers she got from her first karaoke if she did karaoke regularly, you're an idiot
She got those numbers because she was NEW
Novelty fades
That's why less people watch HoloEN now

>>51756574
ogey little anti

>>51750222
Youtube culls botted views and subs. Also they don't add to your revenue or donate. Cover uses bots too, btw.
>"N-no they don't!"

>>51753145
>Kiara
Small sample size. It's not like JP doesn't have their own runts. Besides, interaction is a big driver of popularity for the JPs. Kiara, even if there were nothing wrong with her, can't be Micomet or SubaChocoLuna or whatever on her own.

>>51756607
anti? who am I anti-ing here? you?

>>51756650
The "decline of western vtubing" is an anti narrative.
You're probably from a scorned fanbase of a male collaber and have been arguing in bad faith since I pointed out the fallacy of your statement >>51754843

>>51756569
From my understanding, male vtubing in West Taiwan is on the rise. The sisters left for vtubers they can understand. It's probable that Luxiem's yabs scaring them off hurt Noctyx as well.

>>51756742
You haven't pointed out any fallacies at all. HoloEN gets less viewers now, this is a fact. The reason I provided is that it was a fad, a bubble. You haven't said anything that disputes this. All you said is that you don't like the way Gura didn't do any karaokes

>>51756840
I proved that was you and that's all that's needed

>>51756781
Christ...so they had their reenactment of how EOPs pump-and-dumping JP chuubas once Myth debuted and stole them all away. Time really is a flat circle.

>>51756877
You proved it was me? Even though we've been literally having a conversation since I made that post? You're one of the dumbest people I've talked to on this board, and that's saying a lot

>>51756742
>scorned fanbase of a male collaber
kek that's just calling his oshi a whore but with more steps

>>51756927
The way you argued against the topic when the post you're seething about>>51755002
isn't anything you've argued about and I have never engaged with your attempts to sidetrack the point of it being a mistake for Gura to PRACTICE karaoke streams before they happen and to take so long preparing themes for them they're irregular.
No other vtuber is involved in that point. It is Gura's mistake.

>>51754899
To be fair, they debuted a female gen recently too and nobody noticed that either.

>Vox -70%
Holy fucking GRIM

>>51736510
reality is, they never had that much
the bot buying chinks stopped watching so they stopped botting luxiem

>>51756569
The vtubers realized pandering to fujos and basically being their male prostitute sucks and want to just play vidya instead. Problem is that they probably didn’t pull a NijiJP where they can probably appeal to both. Instead they mostly went all in on appealing to women, and their thumbnails are probably repellent to most dudes, they’d probably stick to fleshtubers instead. And their female fans genuinely do not care about vidya, so they don’t watch at all.
This is also being nice and assuming that Anycolor isn’t scamming their investors and partly propping up the viewership with bots.

>>51756318
It’s not really declining. Indies are doing great, but Anycolor and Cover are stagnating for two different reasons. One tried to milk the ever living fuck out of the scene and fell apart due to drama. The other just never really kept the fire going and sabotaged themselves by launching Tempus 2, something not even male chuuba fans wanted.

>>51757067
The topic of the conversation and this thread is the "decline of western vtubing"
I don't give a shit that you're mad that Gura didn't do enough karaokes for you, that's your personal opinion
We've asked you why you think this is a mistake and you haven't answered, you're too stupid to formulate an argument

>>51757186
It was a response to the decline being caused by outside factors when I gave an example of the most popular member of Myth making a mistake early into her career.
I could have brought up your shit oshis mistakes so be thankful.

>>51757245
You haven't told us how her not doing enough karaokes resulted in the decline of western vtubing
You haven't made the link
You're just projecting your own grievances
I know you think I'm offended or seething about something, all I care about is the truth

>>51756033
Anon, I’m talking about something that happened a year ago, when she stopped doing them weekly. She’d have sung more this year if she wasn’t coughing.

>>51757330
>You haven't told us how her not doing enough karaokes resulted in the decline of western vtubing
Wasn't said.
>>51755002
>each member of Myth is so vastly different from each other that you could tell from the early collabs that something wasn't working right.
>The member that is most popular, Gura, VoD views were hitting 1m after a month regularly until mid 2022.
>Gura herself made some serious flaws.
>There are lots of example of all Myth girls making major mistakes very very early in their careers.

>>51757392
Oh, so you weren't making a reponse to my post, you were just listing a bunch of unrelated facts? Stop being a fucking moron and argue honestly
All of them make mistakes, there's nothing to show that the mistakes they made actually caused the recline we're talking about in this thread

>>51757186
>The topic of the conversation and this thread is the "decline of western vtubing"
>>51736510
>What happened to luxiem?

>>51736510
Is the western market just hopeless?
Sure the ones with the big declines all actively destroyed their own careers, but plenty of them pretty much stayed consistent and still declined.

>>51757531
Aye ogey, so tell me how it would be logically possible to obtain the data for
>there's nothing to show
so that we can show it?
Or are you arguing about something nonsensical perhaps because it's literally just a counter to the point that the decline of HololiveEN was from outside factors, which funny enough
>there's nothing to show

>>51757649
You don't have to show hard data. You just have to say something, you know, make some sort of causal link between the statements

>>51757747
I have. In response to >>51754843
>vtubing in the west was still a fad
Seriously though, doing my best not to shit on the girls, each member of Myth is so vastly different from each other that you could tell from the early collabs that something wasn't working right.
The member that is most popular, Gura, VoD views were hitting 1m after a month regularly until mid 2022.
Gura herself made some serious flaws.
Lets think about Karaoke for a second. Ever since the karaoke that got over 100k viewers(can't be bothered checking the exact number) she began to take the karaoke streams way too seriously, practiced for karaoke streams beforehand and tried to create themes for them.
Major blunder.
There are lots of example of all Myth girls making major mistakes very very early in their careers.

>>51757804
You haven't made a link between what you call a "major blunder" and the overall decline in viewership across the whole branch
You haven't given any evidence at all that this a major blunder, just that you don't personally like it

>>51757887
Because I never connected the two in the first place.
I'll repeat the post again and you can show me the connection of Gura and the branch according to my post.
...
Seriously though, doing my best not to shit on the girls, each member of Myth is so vastly different from each other that you could tell from the early collabs that something wasn't working right.
The member that is most popular, Gura, VoD views were hitting 1m after a month regularly until mid 2022.
Gura herself made some serious flaws.
Lets think about Karaoke for a second. Ever since the karaoke that got over 100k viewers(can't be bothered checking the exact number) she began to take the karaoke streams way too seriously, practiced for karaoke streams beforehand and tried to create themes for them.
Major blunder.
There are lots of example of all Myth girls making major mistakes very very early in their careers.

>>51757941
>Because I never connected the two in the first place.
So again your argument is "I was never making an argument, just responding to your post with a bunch of unrelated facts"
You're a fucking clown dude, you can't use your brain properly

>>51738077
It's a perfect showcase of how using data without understanding it is worthless.
Kiara's solo streams always have been far below her collabs CCV-wise.
Last May she had a Kobo collab when Kobo was the hot shit, two Ina collabs (one where they had an outfit contest for Council, one where they showed off the first Myth game collaboration), one Mumei collab and the whole Pavonashi Maldives trip which kept her from doing solo streams.
This May she had a Gura collab (chumbuds don't watch collabs), a Girlstalk, Towa HoloTalk and tons and tons of solo streams.

>>51758073
Cope.
I'll repeat your argument again so it's clear.
>vtubing in the west was still a fad and nothing you say disputes that at all
In response you received a mistake from the most popular member, with the implication that the other girls mistakes were so bad it's not worth the drama potential of bringing up.
You can't make the argument what you want it to be about, because you're not white enough. The argument is about what I have stated so far.
You argue that the decline of HoloEN is from it being a fad. No evidence.
I argue that the girls are the reason for the decline. Used the karaoke example intentionally, because it's the least drama one.
Look how much just that caused.

>>51758259
>I argue that the girls are the reason for the decline.
You don't argue it though, when I asked you to turn your "facts" into an argument you refuse and you think you're being intelligent
If you're white I feel embarrassed for you

>>51758334
I have already used the karaoke example. You seething pretending it needs to be proved that it was a mistake doesn't matter. It is a mistake.
You're basically asking to bring up old drama to back up an obvious argument.
All that you need to do is back up your own argument.
When did Covid end for you as an example? Were you hiding in your house until 2023?

Now post the numbers for PC

>>51749898
But they're so bad.

>>51758465
You don't need to prove anything. You just need to logically connect this to my statement. That's how arguments work. Someone makes a point, then you refute it. I say "English vtubing declined because it was a fad", you say "Gura made a mistake by not doing enough karaokes". These two statements aren't connected, yours doesn't refute mine. If you want to refute mine, you need to tell me what the effects of her not doing enough karaoke are
I have no fucking clue what you're talking about with covid

>>51758662
Haha retard.
They're connected. I have to repeat it again so hopefully it is clear this time.
...
I'll repeat your argument again so it's clear.
>vtubing in the west was still a fad and nothing you say disputes that at all
In response you received a mistake from the most popular member, with the implication that the other girls mistakes were so bad it's not worth the drama potential of bringing up.
You can't make the argument what you want it to be about, because you're not white enough. The argument is about what I have stated so far.
You argue that the decline of HoloEN is from it being a fad. No evidence.
I argue that the girls are the reason for the decline. Used the karaoke example intentionally, because it's the least drama one.
Look how much just that caused.

>>51758722
You haven't established a connection yet
How does Gura making a mistake refute that the decline of HoloEN was a fad

>>51758804
Gura is one member. I chose the karaoke mistake because it wouldn't be bringing up old drama.
I'll repeat the post again.
...
Seriously though, doing my best not to shit on the girls, each member of Myth is so vastly different from each other that you could tell from the early collabs that something wasn't working right.
The member that is most popular, Gura, VoD views were hitting 1m after a month regularly until mid 2022.
Gura herself made some serious flaws.
Lets think about Karaoke for a second. Ever since the karaoke that got over 100k viewers(can't be bothered checking the exact number) she began to take the karaoke streams way too seriously, practiced for karaoke streams beforehand and tried to create themes for them.
Major blunder.
There are lots of example of all Myth girls making major mistakes very very early in their careers.

>>51758854
Ok, you chose the mistake, now how did that mistake result in or contribute to a decline
I know you can do it, come on dude

>>51758916
I'll repeat it again.
>Gura herself made some serious flaws
>There are lots of example of all Myth girls making major mistakes very very early in their careers.
The purpose is it being an example, not a specific amount of decline is associated to it.
If there was a specific amount of decline associated to the karaoke in any of my posts, show that as they have all been recorded so far.

>>51754944
>Seething about Gura
They are too busy time looping Miko vs Pekora to seethe about her

>>51759001
How did these mistakes lead to a decline?

>>51759087
How didn't they?

>>51759087
>>51759099(me)
How about you bring up the past yab and show how it didn't cause a decline rather than asking me to bring one up and show how it did.

>>51759099
If you make a claim it's not automatically true until proven false
If you make a claim you should have some sort of logical train of thought that leads you there
Yes, they made mistakes, but everyone makes mistakes, all the time

>>51757180
Cover shot themselves in the foot by releasing tempus 2. Not even tempus 1 wanted tempus 2. It's one bad decision after another.

>>51759242
They have declined.
You say the reason is it's a fad.
I say it's because of actions.
>If you make a claim it's not automatically true until proven false
So, you need to provide something don't you?
Are you going to bring up past yabs and show how it didn't decline or are you going to show how it's actually a fad and not related to mistakes members have made?

>>51757632
>Is the western market just hopeless?
Not necessarily, it's just that the novelty of vtubers is gone. You can't just put on an anime avatar and get easy success anymore, you have to actually be entertaining beyond just being "cute," something most vtubers struggle with.

>>51753718
enna didnt have the streaming experience needed to get hired in the first round, she needed elira to get in and help vouch for her

>>51759330
Alright
Vtubing had a massive surge of popularity in the West with Hololive in 2020. This is before EN was even around. Most of those people only had a surface-level interest in vtubers though, they weren't dedicated viewers, most of them probably didn't even watch a stream. You could see it with Korone, she got lots of attention from Western game developers. It's not like that now though. Myth got a lot of attention too. But you can see this attention doesn't really translate to viewers - Council has slightly higher viewership than Myth despite Myth having much larger mindshare in the general public. Most of their attention came from casual fad chasers who have since moved on. This is the same trend you see absolutely everywhere. Like with music genres, a music scene is underground, then it breaks into the mainstream, gets a ton of attention for a few months to a year then reclines in popularity or even dies compeltely

>>51754175
Nta
But I still think you’re seeing numbers come down across the board for people who got major benefits from Covid. Fleshtubers like xQc, Hasan, Amouranth have all seen declines. Twitch tubers who were established before covid Nyanners, Vei, Iron, Bao all are still seeing decreases across the board

>>51753145
Most western chubba viewers and streamer viewers in general on Youtube are from the Americas, most Europeans watch and stream on twitch.
Kiara is streaming when Americans are at work or in class, it's a wonder she is getting 4 digit viewers at all. You can just take a look at what English livestreams are getting any views on YT right now since that is Kiara's usual streaming time: kids shows, two news shows, some music streams, that's it.
Kiara might be "HoloJP but in English" but she is not "HoloJP but in English and at a time I can watch".
Also Myth is probably the worst group for her to be in in all of Hololive and beyond. Carrying the shit out of collabs while the other four just refused to talk gave her a bad rep and only since 2022 are stream watchers coming around on her.

>>51759716
So a whole lot of nothing

>>51760137
I provided my argument
You can tell me why that's wrong if you want to, and why the mistakes they made actually led to a decline in viewership, but it seems like you aren't very good at making arguments, you're more of a "my feelings are facts" sort of guy

>>51760215
You did the same thing but with even more feelings and less evidence

>>51760258
My feelings haven't entered into this once, you think I'm an anti or I'm mad about something but it's not the case at all
I don't even think it's bad that they "reclined"
I didn't ask you for evidence, I just asked you for reasoning, you can't even provide that

>>51760414
Mate you waited that long to provide an argument and then it was literal headcanon, that's your feelings.
Aye and you asking that doesn't make sense it's all been explained. I'll repeat the post for you.
...
Seriously though, doing my best not to shit on the girls, each member of Myth is so vastly different from each other that you could tell from the early collabs that something wasn't working right.
The member that is most popular, Gura, VoD views were hitting 1m after a month regularly until mid 2022.
Gura herself made some serious flaws.
Lets think about Karaoke for a second. Ever since the karaoke that got over 100k viewers(can't be bothered checking the exact number) she began to take the karaoke streams way too seriously, practiced for karaoke streams beforehand and tried to create themes for them.
Major blunder.
There are lots of example of all Myth girls making major mistakes very very early in their careers.

>>51736510
Kneel to your queen /vt/

>>51760522
Absolutely zero feelings in that post, it's all based on evidence
You can stop copy and pasting your replies over and over again, I've already read them

>>51760645
>it's all based on evidence
kek
>Most of those people only had a surface-level interest in vtubers though, they weren't dedicated viewers, most of them probably didn't even watch a stream.
>You could see it with Korone
>You could see it
>It's not like that now though
>mindshare
>Most of their attention came from casual fad chasers
>Like with music genres

>>51760747
Yes, there's no feelings in that, those are derived from actual concrete examples of things happening

>>51760852
Go ahead then, you need to make your fad argument clear

>>51760907
I did make it clear, you're arguing with it just because you're mad, you'll pick it apart from 100 posts if you want to just because it makes you feel like you've "won"
It's obvious to see that Myth gets far more attention in the public, yet they get lower viewership than Council
There's casual fans and there's core fans
Casual fans move on

>>51760852
>those are derived from actual concrete examples of things happening
Go ahead then, you need to make your fad argument clear

>>51761083
You two, just kiss already.

>>51761138
I just posted one

>>51761316
aye ogey

Hundreds of comment, and almost no one talk about ina the 2nd avg view, mostly talk about gura, the one not streaming
These 2 really special in different ways :))), no wonder why they are the most popular

>>51737965
>Uki lost over 50% of his viewers for being an anti-white scum
Holy based

>>51744294
I wonder if rarer(is this a word?) streams cause less viewer loss, since you know every stream is kinda like a special occasion/comeback stream.

>>51736510
Clearly the reason that Kiara lost so many viewers was because she interviewed Yagoo, right?

>>51736510
I don't know what any of these numbers mean or who 95% of these people are but holy shit Ame at -35 and Kiara at -45. Congratulations to Fauna for being +4.

>>51754175
Ending COVID mainly, you will literally never get those numbers again unless there's another black plague forcing people home, specially during active school season, but the numbers are still high if you compare them to pre-covid days, so it is growing long term and will probably continue to grow, but the decline in comparison to 2020-2022 is huge and there

>>51752070
This
>>51751963
Also the news of his ex that he cheated on

>>51736510
>>51737965
>"Council didn't do as good as they expected"
>Councilrys at the top of the table

>>51758547

>>51763586
The karma of that discord leak keeps hitting.

>>51755901
Ame didn't give up. I rewatched her entire backlog last month for a proper understanding of what happened. Basically, she's heavily autistic and much like the end of Bo Burnham's: Inside, she was thrown outside, naked, in front of millions of people without any prior experience as to what to do with all of those eyes on her. This lead to countless examples of her telling her chat to "fuck off, to stop paying her, fuck offx2, pay me if you want but I'm not reading it, fuck offx3, seriously stop paying me, don't hold me accountable, sorry not sorry (but I am sorry I'm just retarded) fuck off (sorry... Seriously I am. I'm just weird.)" After that cycle repeating a million times and a few schizo tests that boil down to "she talked to a man >:(" or "she said a swear to another vtuber >:(" everyone left. Now the only people that are left are only there to make her streams smell like shit while they wait for a graduation. She never gave up. Her brain wasn't ready for the stage. She did an amazing job, she's the best who ever done it. o7

>>51764058
The discord leak where everyone was speaking professionally to one another?

>>51736510
FAUNA SWEEP

>>51738077
>but what happened with kiara??
She collabed with a male (Yagoo), and a married male fleshtuber at that.

>>51736510
I know kiara is bad, but she's that bad.. she almost lost half of her viewers

>>51736510
Finana...

>>51737965
lmao Vox

>>51736510
>>51737965
Why no JP version?

Lol

>>51750222
I disagree with the bot theory but kawaii was able to amass 70k in donations over 2 days with like 200 people so 1000 people could do the same

>>51736510
>luxiem losing to ina spamming botw
>luxiem losing to a dying washed up mumei
>luxiem losing to menhera washed up clock
>luxiem losing to irys
>luxiem losing to 3k solo stream ccv mori
>luxiem losing to runt of EN bae
>luxiem losing to debuffson
>luxiem losing to talentless kirin

damn they really were failures

>>51741412
I will come back next year and laugh at you.

>>51757113
People were shilling blue frog like 2 days and that's it.

>>51763355
I just hope that the likes of Hololive and Nijisanji didn't pursue certain projects and dump money into them with the expectations that the Covid #s were the new normal and the good times would keep rolling. Double that for the girls who have to pour in their own cash on things like 3D Lives, Original and Cover Songs and their own Concerts. Japanese businesses are supposed to be more conservative in general right? Hopefully they recognized it was a temporary bubble and didn't get lured into financial investments that will act like an albatross around their necks a few years from now.

>>51763770
Man, EVERYONE is down. There really is no green to be found in vtubing these days. Nothing but red red red wherever you look, be it corpos or indies. Be it big or small.

>>51766778
For me it feels like, if you watch few EN vtubers, you've seen them all. Every girl I like most of the time I just can't bear through their stream, it feels like I've heard same shit hundreds of time. Same with fleshtubers desu, I used to be religious viewer, watching something all day everyday, but now it's boring, I guess I just grew up. I can watch chuubas if I do something else and they just talk my ears off about some dumb shit or if they interact with chat a lot, which is low 3 view territory.

>>51766183
>luxiem beat Gura, the biggest vtuber in the world with 4.32M subs
BASED BASED BASED NIJISANJI STRONG

>>51736510
>that drop of viewership in one year from all western vtubers

Western vtubers weren't a good idea, I think next year will be the same, most vtubers will be 3 views and a few holos and nijis will be 4 view.

>>51753950
Then you don't understand her fanbase.

>>51765560
it's in Chinese

>>51736510
fauna just went from being underrated to overrated
i still remember on monetization she had the lowest SCs out of everyone. it was something ridiculous like 1/10th of kronii's

>>51755719
Honestly I can't blame someone for throwing up their hands if rabid mentally ill obsessives are going to stalk and harass anyone they interact with.

>>51737965
kiara pls drop the chicken voice, just say your throat is on the verge of dying because of it and that's it.

>>51736510
mommy i kneel

>>51762075
>rarer(is this a word?)
Yes, along with rarest. You normally learn this in your second year of English studies, fellow ESL-kun

It's a shame there's so much tribalfaggotry on this board and in this thread, because we really should be having a discussion about why all of EN vtubing is in decline and what can be done to salvage it from all ends.
Spamming the same tired catalog bait isn't going to solve any of this.

>>51736510
I blame Tempiss.

>>51736510
Female viewers are trend hoppers.

>>51737965
Was Mumei on break at this time? Either way, all the good CouncilIRyS people not named Mumei stayed consistent because they are consistently great and have loyal fans.

>>51777657
May 2022 was a slow month content-wise, but not in terms of numbers. This was the very tail-end of her weekly karaoke phase, for example, which increases her average back then. She went on break in the last week of the month after releasing a cover.

>>51777657
all the good CouncilIRyS people not named Mumei
So IRyS?

I suspect the man hate among male vtuber fans is a reflection of their own self hatred.

>>51777970
What does that have to with their majority female audiences choosing to stop watching them en masse?

>>51778207
Women are fickle and follow trends.

nijisis said fauna is over because of "we are not friends"

>>51777903
Ah, the classic 'crat unearned chip on the shoulder. Everyone but her is responsible for the failure of the vsinger marketing, the actual singer. I wish it were a rare sight to see, but it isn't.

>>51777970
Yes, no shit
It doesn't help that males getting popular wreaked havoc on the existing NijiEN fanbase
it's nearly unrecognizable from the lazusydia days, all the quality fans are from then too, all of the fan works that aren't VNs or art are from that era, all their good will was from that era, the girls' SC earnings were immediately cut in half when the males debuted, of course I'm bitter and honestly never want to see or hear another male vtuber

>>51778665
You need to learn to love yourself.
This kinda self hate is the most potent pussy repellent known to humankind

>>51778564
So which cocksleeve is your oshi?

>>51778665
I don't respect the OG girls like Rosemi for the simple fact they gave in to peer pressure and collabed with the men 1 on 1 when they didn't have to even if group collabs were always going to happen. They bet on the males keeping their high numbers and riding that wave to riches, they were wrong, oh so wrong.

>>51778394
>taps the sign

Universally applicable to V-tubing

>>51778825
i watch moonmoon a lot I just don't like what males brought to Nijisanji

>>51778851
The girl who doesn't constantly post about eating cakes with her boyfriend, 'crat.

>>51778880
Honestly I think they just get along
There are probably better examples of trying to ride the Luxiem train than any of the OG girls

>>51737348
Male vtubers should be decapitated live on TV. Fucking cocksuckers trying to get closer to everyone's oshis and genuinely succeeding. They all should die.

>>51777970
No it's mostly the fact thate all male Vtubers are mentally ill faggots and they brought into the fandom the absolute works kind of rabid kpop stans and Twitter troons.
For how much they cry about the evil incels a quick look at NijiEN makes you realize who has the worst fanbase. So much that even the talents themselves admitted it.

>>51779459
This is why indy males are universally superior.
For example you seen the current crop of /asp/ies?
Barely any menhara out of the lot of them plus just genuinely nice guys

>>51752798
>>51752889
Good, fewer ethots getting into vtubing as a career is a good thing. Most vtubers should be holocausted from the face of the earth because they are just titty streamers of a few years ago with a shiny new avatar.

>>51736510
Fauna the true successor from Gura.
bless the saplings and mumei!!!!

>>51778825
Most people watch male content creators of all kinds. Male vtubers are simply not appealing to men, it has nothing to do with self hate sister.

>>51778825
>self hate
I'm not a flippino sex pest having constant mental breakdowns while doing gaybait coomer ASMR tho?

>>51736510
chink/sea fujoshits left.

>>51754175
Submarine crashed into the Titanic

>>51779618
but enough about pekora

>>51753025
>Just accept that people who got interested in Hololive were looking for HoloJP but in English and the girls took the time to crush that.

Basically this, I like holoJP and would like for more EN vtubers to be like them but boy are they rare...
Fauna and a few others are the minor exceptions

>>51782545
yeah. we need more EN vtubers that talk about masturbation on stream and talk about pissing with male vtubers.

>>51753025
>>51782545
holo JP is trash what are you talking about
YWNBJ

>>51782905
YWNBAW

>>51783073
yeah i'm a man and i don't watch shitty fake whores like JP holos

>>51736510
Why is Kiara always tied up with Niji numbers?
Just move this bitch to Niji already

>>51737965
Why Kiara fell off worse than Ame after the tempiss collab? Kiara just can't rise even trying to stay yab and controversy free, it's like the universe is agaisnt her. This shit is unjust

>>51778931
and who's the one posting that? or are you being even more delusional?

>>51783935
because she sucks

>>51783935
Her voice, her personality, and her choice of content

>>51753977
>Hololive doing crypto gambling streams on kick when!?
Hololive should simulcast on Kick. Just for more exposure. Don't think they have an exclusivity agreement.

>>51783935
Many of Kiara's streams are at the worst times. That's where CCV comparison fails. Her total views should still be up there, as many of her fans have to watch the VODs later.

Fauna actually inclining when all of EN is reclining. GG
Gura doko, because it would not be fair. Very high CCV but with low number of streams.