/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>Mikeneko
Twitter: https://twitter.com/95rn16
Fanbox: https://mikenekoko.fanbox.cc/
Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC54JqsuIbMw_d1Ieb4hjKoQ
Twitcasting: https://twitcasting.tv/95rn16
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/mikeneko.x/
Tiktok: https://www.tiktok.com/@minyan84
Nekoko Store: https://nekoko.shop/
Booth: https://mikenekoko.booth.pm/
【Original Song】drop/みけねこ: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHl2-rH6GnU

>Nazuna Amemiya
Profile: https://www.vshojo.com/talent/nazuna
Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC5gs8EbpwbfQvrhizJx60TA
Twitch: https://www.twitch.tv/amemiyanazuna
Twitter: https://twitter.com/AmemiyaNazuna
Shop: https://store.vshojo.com/collections/nazuna

Enjoying life with my wife forever!

She's so gorgeous...

She's a sexy model...

Can't wait for the final animation, it looks awesome so far

Summer neko!

>>51445291
based Alice Magic does it again.

Love

pat the neko

Mikeneko is my wife and I love her

I wanna make another sound post. Any suggestions?

>>51448221
The one where she says in english "im dumb but im doing my best"

>>51449310
timestamp?

>>51450659
https://files.catbox.moe/xf7kvb.mp4

>>51451366

She's not your wife. Take meds schizos

Anti-chama is also dumb but he's doing his best (to be a faggot)

She's your wife. Take meds schizos (your wife is your meds)

I love my actual, unironic wife

here's another one

You need help anons. One day you will rope yourself because of this menhera

persuasion stat isn't very high

>>51453160
whatever mikeneko says I shall do. If she asks me to kill myself I will do so without hesitation

>>51453015
are these clips supposed to have sound or am I just retarted?

>>51454255
get 4chan x to here them

>>51454414
*hear
fuck

okay last one for now

love

Wife?

>>51451846
i can only hear truth, i want this loli hag, to kiss her all over

>>51462968
Love!

>>51467424
>I'm enjoying this!
literally me frfr

>more excuses

>>51472582
>Retard

I hope my wife feels better soon

Nazubump

Hang in there

>>51476911
Cat... Branchman...

wife!

Wife!!!

Get well soon, my honey

>>51484229
Honey?

The president was very kind to her and Vshojo proved to be on her side, good luck in the second year!

>>51485542
stop pretending to be japanese that's retarded

5ch shitposters want her to stay in vshojo
Actual fans are just waiting for her to leave vshojo
It's obvious what is in her best interests

well I wouldn't mind her staying if she gets better treatment and a better contract...

but I guess I am just coping

>>51486280
She'd also need a box and a brand name that isn't hostile to gachikoi
Or staff who actually respond to enquiries fast enough to avoid issues.
Better to just leave with how many things would need to be fixed

>>51485803
It's up to her to figure out what's in her best interests. If she wants to stay you should accept it and don't slander Vshojo.

>>51486840
It's not up to us to pretend the company is good. Objectively it isn't
When she leaves, will you also leave our thread?

>>51487128
>It's not up to us to pretend the company is good.
It's up to you to support your oshi. If she wants to build a future with Vshojo you're being an anti if you slander it.
Keyword is slander, I don't mind if you have legitimate criticism.

>Objectively it isn't
Objectively it's one of the best companies behind Hololive.

>When she leaves, will you also leave our thread?
Depends on what she does. If she stays Nazuna and still tries to appeal to western fans I don't see why I would leave.

Why is the op in an other language, this is America so speak American

>>51487288
Listen, my little corporate whore
She herself has thrown shade at VShojo several times as Nazuna. If I repeat these points, I am not a Nazuna anti
Just shut the fuck up, you child, and wait for her anniversary before saying anything more. If it oasses and she's still with this shithole that despises her core fans, then maybe you'll have a point. But until then, you look like a clown

>>51487420
It's the other way around, until then you're being an anti. If you are so sure she will leave why would you get mad at waiting a little longer instead of preaching to the choir?

>>51487490
You are literally the only person in this entire thread who somehow hasn't realised the company is a shithole
Remember when she had to publicly complain to get her checkmark?

>>51487881
Irrelevant if it's true or not.
If Nazuna decides she wants to stay in that "shithole" then you're being an anti if you slander it instead of criticizing it.

Unlike the last month, she is now calm. She must have had a calm discussion with the company. It is not so easy to find a good company to replace her, and it is in her best interest to walk away with Vshojo.

>>51487996
Maybe I'll continue criticising it just to annoy you

>>51488025
>mtl

>>51488073
Criticism towards Vshojo is fair game and can possibly help them improve.

She is very reluctant to divulge the severe content of her members. it is the worst thing she could do and a betrayal to her that her response to those who support reconciliation with Vshojo is to leak members. let's trust Vshojo and her.

Trust no-one, not even yourself.

>>51488167
They have no intention of improving or else they might have improved her contract.

>>51488170

>>51488238
You don't know about her contract.

>>51488238
Stop replying to the fucking retard
He does not understand Japanese and does not listen to her casts
He does this every other day to fish for you`s

>>51488340
>He does not understand Japanese and does not listen to her casts
That's not required to be a fan of Nazuna.

>irrelevant
adjective
not connected with or relevant to something.
"an irrelevant comment"

>>51487996
ESL, "Slander" in English isn't when someone insults something and hurts your feelings kek
If I say "The world would be better off with you dead", that isn't slander; it's a fact.
That's your English lesson for today.

>>51489528
"Slander" in English isn't when someone insults something and hurts your feelings kek
That's a strawman since I never argued something like that even contextually.

>If I say "The world would be better off with you dead", that isn't slander; it's a fact.
That's not a fact, it's just you seething impotently.

Calling VShojo one of the best Vtubing companies is slander towards nearly every other VTubing company out there

>>51489797
By which metric is that not true?

Leaving VShojo will attract the old fans who left back

>>51490258
That's a flawed theory.
Especially since leaving Vshojo will detract some of her current fans too.

There is no long term prospects in VShojo. Western fans support the idea of Nazuna leaving VShojo if the company is making her unhappy

VShojo has no interest in VTubers who cannot speak English. Mikeneko will be happier joining a Japanese company full of Japanese girls that she can play with

Stop having a normal sleep schedule and stream later.

>>51490641
Shut up and let her come back when she's ready.

>>51490556
>There is no long term prospects in VShojo.
On what basis of evidence is that rooted?

>Western fans support the idea of Nazuna leaving VShojo if the company is making her unhappy
Sure.

>>51490594
>VShojo has no interest in VTubers who cannot speak English.
They're growing their JP branch right now, so that's wrong.

>Mikeneko will be happier joining a Japanese company full of Japanese girls that she can play with
Nothing is stopping her from collabing with Japanese Vtubers outside of Vshojo.

Nothing is stopping her from leaving either besides waiting out the contract either

MY WIFE IS THE CUTEST IN THE WORLD

Cute

Wife

I love her so much, i can't wait to see her again.

I love her so much, i can't wait to see her again APEX stream.

>>51493871
wow you almost sounded like a real fan there until the last 2 words
頑張ってごちゃんちゃま

IRL TwitCast

Why is she doing this in twitcast?
Please stop debuffing yourself.

>>51494506 (me)
Also guerilla and at almost 11 PM.
This woman is incomprehensible

Yeah, why would people not subscribe to my youtube channel in which i rarely stream, i say from my twitcast stream with smaller audience to which i decided to do a camera card opening stream which was my youtube content.
How could my strategy won't work?

>asking people to sub to her yt channel
>on twitcast
galaxy brain cat

>>51495262
Fierce businesswoman

my unlucky wife...

Is this woman seriously suggesting starting a twitch account for Mikeneko?

fuck APEX

>>51496902
It already exists lmao

APEX LOVE

>>51497279
link?

Permanent APEX hate

>>51497398
Never you mind.

Yep, she is, amazing.
Even going through the notions of doing a "test" twitch stream like it's her first time there.

can't wait for her to play APEX on the new channel too

https://www.twitch.tv/nekoko88

>>51497832
Less likely than on Nazuna considering she won't have a Quota to hit on Mikeneko

Can't wait her to open a Chino revival channel on niconico or some dead smartphone-based japanese streaming site later this year.

just fucking stream on youtube
why are you making a new twitch account just to go menhera when you don't get the same viewers as on YT
this woman is gonna kill me one day

Don't worry, she won't bother to promote it in her youtube channel or whatever.
The strategy is to put as many loops as possible to get the less viewers as possible.

you can’t be serious

>she can't get subs or bits until she streams for a certain amount of time
fucking based
stream on youtube instead please

Exiting vshojo doesn't mean losing your account so i'm thinking this secondary account is maybe her way to attract more overseas viewers and play games since she complain about them not getting into twitcast?
But the truth is that she gets a lot on youtube? Also spreading yourself through (even) more webpages is really stupid...

Can you guys stop being antis for 5 seconds? Just let her stream on twitch if she wants to experiment.

>>51497905
>Quota
that's not real.

>>51498164
Hi vsj, how are you doing?

thankfully it seems she got filtered

>>51498164
If she wants to experiment in twitch she has an account, if she wants to experiment in youtube she has an account.
If she wants to experiment as Mike she has an account, if she wants to experiment as Nazuna she has an account.
This is her creating yet another streaming account because she won't be satisfied until she is a 2views.

Now you will tell she will start streaming in youtube as Nazuna.

Did you open a Twitch for Mike, or is it a replacement for Nazna? I am sad to see it.

She says she changes her name and has APEX with men so that you guys don't stalk her.

Mikeneko youtube is good stream on youtube we like youtube

>>51498087
well vshojo has that twitch connection so they got her partner before she even debuted
For indies they need to fulfill a one time stream hours quota at the beginning in order to get an affiliate status and be able to get subscribers/bits

Go to bed 5chan anti-kun, your manipulation won't work today.

>>51498208
I'm fine, how about yourself

>>51498255
I don't know her reasoning but she probably had some idea. Let her cook instead of trying to control her that much.

The only good thing about Mikeneko Twitch is that she'll almost certainly get a higher CCV than Nazuna, which will be really fucking funny
Besides that, YouTube is better for her in literally every way

>>51498414
How the fuck she will get higher CCV than Nazuna on twitch?

>>51498340 (me)
Also she better get some mods or install Nightbot because antis might show up

>>51498455
Because she'll be advertising her Twitch streams on a Twitter account with twice the amount of followers?
Because there are still people out there who haven't figured out Mikeneko = Nazuna
Why wouldn't she get more views? Mikeneko YouTube gets about double or triple Nazuna's views depending on the day

>>51498507
Twitter followers =/= twitch viewers
Most people who watch Mike wont watch twitch
Also most people who dont know that mike nazuna dont know about twitch either
I do agree that YouTube is better for Mike in every way though

>>51498596
>Twitter followers =/= twitch viewers
Sure, but if discoverability is arse, then using Twitter to promote is genuinely meaningful
That stream still his 700 CCV in 10 mins without being advertised in any way, shape or form. I'd like to see a few actual streams from her to see the potential
And then she can stick to YouTube

>>51498733
The 700 was a fraction of the people watching her on twitcast in which she mentioned explicitely about starting a twitch stream right after the twitcast.

>>51498826
She didn't even link the Twitch account in that stream

numbers

Mike-chan, your dedicated overseas fanbase loves YT, there's no need to overwork yourself in so many sites.
Just stick to YT and your fans will follow you.

Why doesn't she open a Niconico account instead of a twitch account?

>>51498944
Look, anon. She's a numberfag too. Numbers are going to be one of her considerations with regards to streaming, even if not the biggest.
Honestly though, honestly? I'd prefer Twitch streams to back to back Twitcasts. But I'd prefer YouTube for her to get a bigger audience.

Kill numberfags. Behead numberfags. Roundhouse kick a numberfag into the concrete. Slam dunk a numberfag baby into the trashcan. Crucify filthy numberfags. Break a numberfags dick in half. Launch numberfags into the sun. Stir fry numberfags in a wok. Toss numberfags into active volcanoes. Urinate into a numberfag gas tank. Judo throw numberfags into a wood chipper. Twist numberfags heads off. Report numberfags to INTERPOL. Karate chop numberfags in half. Curb stomp pregnant numberfags. Trap numberfags in quicksand. Crush numberfags in the trash compactor. Liquefy numberfags in a vat of acid. Eat numberfags. Dissect numberfags. Exterminate numberfags in the gas chamber. Stomp numberfag skulls with steel toed boots. Cremate numberfags in the oven. Lobotomize numberfags. Mandatory abortions for numberfags. Grind numberfag fetuses in the garbage disposal. Drown numberfags in fried chicken grease. Vaporize numberfags with a ray gun. Kick old numberfags down the stairs. Feed numberfags to aligators. Slice numberfags with a katana

>>51499046
>she's a numberfag too
She isn't. Stop projecting

Did she say why she started a twitch account? My nihongo is limited but why? She barely even plays games as mikeneko. Please don’t let it be just another money avenue

>>51498921
But she encouraged her viewers to search for it
>>51498944
I'm not a numberfag but i care about her and her livehood, i want her to do well.
And i have never seen someone complain so often about losing fans or not getting numbers while doing almost everything in her hand to debuff herself. Really frustrating as a fan.

>>51499077
She's outright said
>all streamers care about numbers, you know
before. That's not to say that numbers are her number 1 concern at all times, otherwise she wouldn't be doing so much on Twitcast. But it is a concern.

>>51499077
She may not be a numberfag but she clearly cares about her fans, and has talked about wanting to get more instead of losing them many times.

>>51499087
she wanted to do wachalongs
it's probably just another whim of hers that won't amount to anything though

>>51499099
>But she encouraged her viewers to search for it
Not the same as linking.
My point is that 700 for an unadvertised account for a 10 minute stream is pretty good. Some of her recent Nazuna streams have barely been getting above that in the first 10 minutes alone

>>51498921
yes she did, I opened up her twitch through the link she put in chat

I get the feeling that every time she gives notice of an ASMR, she gets cranky or goes off on tangents and procrastinates. Is it on purpose?

>>51499246
Nah, it's usually caused by something big
Well at least one of those big "somethings" will be disappearing soon

I am sick and tired of all the talk about money, money, money, numbers, numbers, numbers.
No, I don't want that, I want her love.

>>51499246
Do you the myth of sisyphus?
Relish in your struggle, imagine yourself as happy.

>>51499323
kane and kazu's are a form of love. without them, she wouldn't be a vtuber. Just like how women in real life don't like bum's, they need something material out of the relationship too.

I'M GONNA NOOOOOOOOOOOOOMB

>>51499246
I don't want her to be forced to do it. There's a reason why her asmr is so special and no it's not the rarity.

>>51499153
Every lie shortens your life by one minute, be careful anon.

>>51499631
So special none has happened in over 18 months.

>>51499818
I thought we had collectively agreed that they were too good for the Asians since they went cold on her and that only kaigai deserve them?

The 5ch poster who was in this thread is heraruing on 5ch because nazuna is graduating
Kaigaichads keep on winning
4chanの勝利

>>51500094
>nazuna is graduating
that is in your head.

>>51500137
>didnt listen to the cast just now

>>51500187
I didn't but I don't believe you since you lie a lot.

>>51500187
What did she say in the twitcast about graduating?
Actual quotes in japanese, please.

>>51500280
>t. vshojo employee too lazy to listen to casts

>>51500280
Watashi wa graduating Vshojo ima sugu

>>51500187
I'm interested in it too. Post it in Japanese. Do it now, nigger.

>>51500280
She just said she has something to announce next month with a straight face. It is negative and probably about graduation.

>>51500327
I don't care about Vshojo. I want a confirmation that this person actually listened to the twitcast and in fact knows japanese.

I am looking forward to the APEX endurance at Mikenko's Twitch.

the vshojo saga is finally over.
Now we can finally begin healing

>>51500407
she wouldn't talk about it as mike

Post the clip that says she is graduating. I know enough Japanese to confirm whether if its true or not.

>>51500435
Trust me bro, my dad works for Vshojo

nobody cares whether you thread losers who don't listen to twitcasts know the truth or not
the bears know. the bears listen. that's all that matter.

VShojoshills actually shaking in their boots right now rumao

>>51500507
I am a different person, a kinder, gentler person on 5ch, but I made a statement that probably implied something about graduation.

Too many niggers

>>51500499
she has talked plenty of times about her part-time job

It looks like you and Korekore are on the same page. I would like to see her having fun playing games with him like in the old days.

>>51500228
No, we don't

>>51501225
You lied if what this anon said is true:
>>51500407
Announcing something could mean anything.

>https://twitter.com/suntube4/status/1669517940750778368
Can we harass this guy?

>>51501330
She said more than that, but you're gonna have to overcome your illiteracy and extra chromosomes if you wanna know more for yourself vsj-kun.

>>51501535
Ok, what did she say? Can you say it without lying?

>>51501343
No, Wife asked fans to stop infighting.

>>51501554
I will not tell you. Learn Japanese. Earn it. Not replying further, so go study or remain retarded.

>>51501667
Ok, I don't believe you.

>>51501667
I know Jap giveme time stamp

>>51501720
it is not archived

>>51499077

>>51501667
This anon says she confirms she is graduating from her abato. I never ever caught her saying anything like that in twitcasts and my google translate jap is good enough to get the gist of twitcasts

>>51501931
arubaito

I am happy to report that Mikeneko loves me!

The people telling you she's graduating are the same anons who dismissed her joining as inconceivable last year. You can tell because they're doing the weird gatekeeping secret knowledge stuff.

>>51502081
Hey, me too!

I LOVE MY WIFE MIKENEKO!

>>51502141
She encouraged a lot of the mystery cult behavior herself, in order to avoid chat spam she needs to do guerilla twitcasts and keep them unarchived. Thank 5ch trolls for that.

while we have so many VShojofags here I would like to remind people that Mikeneko has handled shipping her merch overseas without issues while VShojo couldn't even do that right
lol

>>51502141
This is rather inventive cope

>>51502272
That's because Vshojo is a bad company and Mikeneko actually cares about her fans. Night and day!

Mikeneko is my cute glasses wearing wife! I love her!

>>51502323
1 timestamp
All it takes is 1 and I will trust you

Also please report the cuck posting for dox
I swear you faggots are getting lazy

>>51502460
I’ve seen 0 fox in this thread.

>>51502728
>>51501809

>>51502272
I have not seen real evidence for that.

Also
あーみゃ一番かわいい ̖́-

Wife love!

>>51502728
Literally anything mentioning Apex off stream is off topic
Or the fat fuck (not the cat)

>>51502816
Check the VShojo subreddit. Someone complained and got a response from a mod (who is also listed as Staff)
I think you guys just don't look very hard, to be quite honest, senpai

>>51503821
>VShojo subreddit
I'm not a redditor so I wouldn't know

>>51503353
mean...

>>51503850
There were several posts on Nekofami Twitters too, but apparently that's "not enough evidence" for the /vsj/ thread

>>51503821
So I looked at the thread on reddit and you are full of shit, it was just the same guy that complained on twitter and it turned out that it was either fake or that the company just made a mistake and are now delivering as planned.
Fuck you for making me look. Another lie for the pile.

>>51504361
>lie
all I said was that VShojo couldn't even ship overseas without issues, and they did run into an issue
stop coping lol

Stop feeding the anti

>>51504419
The "issues" were either fabricated or not Vshojo's fault and the people are receiving their merch so why are you still blaming Vshojo for failure? You're just rabid.

VShojoshills coping once again
love to see it

>>51504361
>which resulted in orders being cancelled incorrectly
Holy fucking shit, people were having their orders cancelled without their knowledge and only NOW is VShojo trying to take any action regarding this.
Yeah, sounds like a great company
>lie
I cannot wait for her to graduate so you will finally get out of our fucking thread.

>>51504763
That was the only guy who complained about it on reddit and he didn't provide any proof. Even redditors were smart enough to see through him and called him a dramafaggot.

>>51504855
It evidently wasn't bullshit if this Batou guy responded.
He's actually listed as "Staff", not just a "Moderator"

>>51504855
>>51505309 (Me)
See, staff actually treated it seriously. Now go back to sucking VShojo's cock for free, you've been doing it literally for hours and it's frankly embarassing to watch. Like, holy shit, get a hobby

>>51505309
>>51505353
>Vshojo currently looking into the situation is proof that it happened
Ok. Wake me up when they make a statement then. Probably won't make one if it didn't happen and it was just this guy making shit up.
Anyway since the merch is getting delivered there's no issue at all.

>>51505484
>no issue
>they cancelled my order
I have yet to receive an update and >>51504361 only mentions a request and that they are awaiting feedback. Not a guarantee for anything.

>>51505484
Show me a similar issue happening with Mikeneko's merch or bow your head in defeat

maybe VShojo should ask Mike for tips on how to handle merch lol

>>51505620
Like I said, wake me up when there's real evidence. Because from what it seems this guy will likely get his merch.

>>51505662
I'm still unconvinced it actually happened and even if it happened it's not Vshojo's fault.

didn't vshojo change the fulfillment center they were working with recently to someone else. So clearly they did see the issue a while ago.
So yeah, there was an issue but they seemed to have resolved it. Only problem is the orders that already were in the process obviously which still seems to have hit multiple people.

>>51505767
The merch used to be done through Fourthwall, which just seems horrible in every way. There are still a lot of merch orders from half a year ago that people are still waiting on since they work so slowly. Now Vshojo is working with Warren Jams Inc. They work with a lot of large streamers/Youtubers and seem to have a good track record.

Haven't been paying attention. Is shipping fucked for the Japs too or just kaigai?

>>51506418
it's just overseas, some japanese fans have already posted their merch on twitter

>>51504361
fuck off teemor
shill your shitty corp somewhere else

>>51506825
If it's so shitty why do you have to lie?

>>51504361
>misunderstanding
sure
wonder what they will do about the cancelled and refunded orders

>>51507201
Where is the evidence they exist?

>>51507225

now choke on it

>>51507367
>doxxing yourself
fucking retard

>>51507444
ogey

>>51507367
Did you receive some kind of notice or email?

>>51507560
almost the same as >>51504361

>>51507367
>Warren James
I'm guessing that might be the source of the issue. If they transferred the fulfillment to them from Fourthwall, they might be working with a production partner they are not used to (as Fourthwall would have set that up). Sounds like someone pulled a trigger too early.

>>51507612
Ok, I'll believe you. If the sub contractors messed up then you should probably get in touch with Vshojo or do what this redditor did and contact them again.

>>51507777
The order was always with Warren James. No idea who Fourthwall is and I don't care how or why they fucked up. I want my set

>tfw you realize she probably hasn't linked her bank to the mike twitch account yet and the money from the subs might go poof after going unclaimed for a few months

Do you retards not understand how merch selling goes?

>>51509354
My wife has handled her merch better than vshitshow that's all i need to know.

>>51508256
She couldn't get subs anyways until the account is verified

>>51509390
It's booth. Booth handled her merch better. Whatever company you outsource all the work to is who you also blame when something goes wrong. Vshojo is offering overseas shipping for you without the highway rape shipping every other place has right now. For booth you had to go through a proxy which could have just as easily fucked up.

>>51509797
it is

>>51509819
i wish i'd get payed for shilling like you
please fuck off

>>51510466

Hello menheras

Why was she not allowed to join Vshojo as Mikeneko anyway but Kson was? Does anyone know?

>>51509819
https://nekoko.shop/ is not Booth, anon.
>highway rape shipping
you mean the shipping cost that's factored into the item cost to obscure it from the buyer?
>outsource all the work to
you're not making a great case for vshojo being worth anything to her

>>51514515
>not allowed
Maybe she just didn't want to

>>51514641
>https://nekoko.shop/ is not Booth, anon.
NTA but she ALSO uses Booth (like a lot of JP streamers). That site is instead Glory.
But yeah, it still needs to use a proxy service, because the warehouses Glory uses like Booth are located in Japan. Not making an argument either way, but it's not the same scenario.

>>51514641
That's still functionally booth. It's the same kind of service and you still have to use a proxy like tenso to get it overseas.

>you mean the shipping cost that's factored into the item cost to obscure it from the buyer?
8800Y for a hoodie from Nazuna
1500Y to send it to tenso and their handling fee
5000Y to get it to you

$50 for a hoodie from vshojo
$8 to get it to you

Yes they are certainly robbing you compared to japanese stores.

>>51516477
Yes, my point was that Booth hasn't handled all of her merch, which is what TA implied.
>>51516599
You're either grossly exaggerating Tenso's fees, or you live somewhere retarded. I've paid about 3000￥ for each Tenso parcel, including their handling fee, and choosing one item to compare (to what? Ironmouse's hoodie is 64 bucks) is strange. Mikeneko's acrylic stand was 10 bucks, and Vshojo's are both 15. Vshojo's ornament was 15 bucks, where any Japanese store would charge 500￥ for it. The difference between the two does not add up to be that substantial, so to claim one is robbery and the other isn't is stupid.

Does she know about Kick? The sub split there is like 95% to streamers and only 5% to Kick. They just signed the biggest streamer in the world there too. If she wants to sign up for Kick so bad, a dying platform, she'd be better off signing up for Kick. Or at least making an account on Kick too. Only thing is Kick doesn't have the Japanese community or support like Twitch has.

>>51518053
>f she wants to sign up for Kick so bad,
Fuck. meant twitch, obviously.

>>51518053
Platforms always start with a 99% pro-streamer rate until consolidation then quickly switch to 30-70%
It's marketing 101

>>51518355
>>51518355
Kick makes its money from gambling. Its a loss leader so they don't give a fuck about how much they lose on the streaming site, as long as the gambling keeps money making. According to the owners, its making shit loads of money. Twitch has been losing creators left and right with their contracts getting worse, worse viewer experience, out of touch leadership, etc. Lots of people saying the website won't last a decade from now. Not sure how serious she is about this twitch shit, but thought I'd just mention Kick since she made an account on twitch already.

>>51518625
Sounds like they found a legal loophole and government is shutting that thing down.

>>51518741
I don't know, the owners are rich from gambling so of course its got some shady shit to it, but its not like Amazon ain't shady business either. You don't get to a company that big buy following the rules, they're all passing out bribes like its Halloween candy. But they're also official sponsors of the UFC and they got the biggest streamer in the world on a 100 million dollar deal, so its definitely legit. No signs of the government shutting it down anytime soon. The only problem is the advertisers, which is probably negligible for Nazuna/Mikeneko on twitch at her current viewers anyway, especially if the rumours about twitch taking bigger ad cuts is true. Anyways, if we're thinking about both a long term and short term view, making a twitch channel seems like a bad bet. She can't speak English so she wouldn't know about any of this, just like how Japan seems to be 10+ years behind the west technology wise in a lot of areas.

>>51519135
>especially if the rumours about twitch taking bigger ad cuts is true
The ad cut on Twitch is already horrible. Twitch takes more money the less the company values you. Small indies obviously get shafted by it but it's not much better for people who pull around 2k CCV (like Nazuna) either.

But given how Twitch ad deals have stream hours requirements I feel like Nazuna isn't enrolled in that part of the website at all/doesn't care

She should just stop trying to platform hop and stick to youtube. Exactly zero of her problems are related to her streaming on youtube. It's a cope. She is not shadowbanned. She will not gain a new audience from moving off of the biggest streaming site in the world. Youtube is where her audience already is, and where they want to stay.

>>51520687
Youtube has bad discoverability. The algorithm isn't working in her favor and she isn't in a big company that can advertise her channel for her and that she can rely on the social capital of. Maybe the algorithm will start working if she streams there more and grow her content, but as it currently stands its not looking good.
Also, this thread should be renamed to the number negro thread.

>>51520687
Youtube is not anywhere closest to the biggest streaming site, that's Twitch. Anyway I assume the CCV differential between mikeneko and Nazuna are almost entirely down to mikeneko's channel/Twitter/etc. having 2x-4x more followers and almost nothing to do with platform choice.

>>51522029
Discoverability is a fucking meme. Twitch isn't growing her either, and she is in a company.
>if she streams there more and grow her content
Yeah this is what she needs to do. Acting like it's the algorithm is just as much of a cope as her thinking she's shadowbanned is.
>>51522242
You're insane if you think Twitch has anything close to the userbase Youtube does.

>>51522242
Her viewers are still overwhelmingly Japanese, and they prefer Youtube streaming, especially for Vtubers. And if they are mostly on Youtube, then they get notifications and can hop over. If they aren't on twitch and she doesn't schedule it, then existing viewers are less likely to show up.

>>51522389
>You're insane if you think Twitch has anything close to the userbase Youtube does.
Youtube has a much bigger userbase for videos, but there are both much more streamers and viewers of streams on Twitch.
>>51522415
This isn't entirely wrong but it is not nearly as important as みけねこ ch. having nearly 4x as many subscribers as 飴宮なずな. And no, it doesn't have more subscribers because "Japanese prefer Youtube", but because hundreds of thousands of people followed her immediately when she posted it on 2/24.

>>51522834
>but there are both much more streamers and viewers of streams on Twitch
Source on the latter please. The former is completely irrelevant.

She would want a fixed income. Because she is concerned about her health.
If she's registered on a number of platforms, she'll be safe with a number of fans who will automatically pay her multiple times over.

>>51522834
You are full of fucking shit, my retarded boyo
How many Holos easily hit 10k CCV on YouTube? Now tell me how many VTubers easily hit 10k CCV on Twitch?

I see everyone here's arguing and that's all well and good but I just thought I'd drop by and link the VShojo maid cafe video that debuted a few minutes ago. Because yes Nazuna's in it, though she has no lines. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgTsgXiknLo

>>51522900
Twitch is 5x larger than Youtube Live.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/761122/average-number-viewers-on-youtube-gaming-live-and-twitch/
https://www.statista.com/statistics/761100/average-number-streamers-on-youtube-gaming-live-and-twitch/
Also, just counting Japanese language streams, Twitch has about 20% as much CCV as all Youtube livestreams of all languages combined.
https://twitchtracker.com/languages

>>51523454
And most of those are concentrated in their largest streamers. The biggest streamer in the world, XQC, just got poached by Kick. I think he still streams on Twitch though because you can dual stream on Twitch. So since she can dual stream no Kick and Twitch, and she's making a twitch anyway, she might as well open up a Kick account too. This way, if twitch really does die, she already has an established account on its successor platform - Kick.

>>51523049
>Holos
>easily hit 10k CCV on Youtube
A lot of them are carried by the Hololive branding and aren't entertaining to watch. Even aside from that, how many non-Holo vtubers reach 10k CCV on youtube? I legitimately can't think of any vtubers aside from Hololive members who hit 10k CCV on that platform.

>>51523454
You are retarded.
Compare Vtubers to Vtubers. Tell me how big the biggest JAPANESE Vtubers are on Twitch and now compare them to JAPANESE Vtubers on YouTube.
The market for fans who want to watch Japanese Vtubers on Twitch is objectively smaller. THE Sakura Miko only averages 5K CCV on Twitch, whereas she can comfortably pull 20-30K CCV on YouTube

She should just stream on Youtube, all this cope about Kick or Twitch having more numbers is irrelevant (especially since a big chunk of Twitch hates VTubers)

>>51523327
She is super cute, but yeah, her not having any lines makes it not very good.

>>51523837
Why compare her to the biggest Japanese vtubers on Youtube when she's not one? She's not even close really. When's the last time she hit 20k CCV? Her twitch debut stream?

>>51523837
Because her Twitch has a lot less subscribers than her Youtube, just like Nazuna.
The way people talk about this is just ridiculous, like the Vtuber audience are platform purists. Most Vtubers are on Youtube for historical reasons, (the origin of the term, the emergence of the culture, etc.), and because Youtube gives better payouts in exchange for a smaller audience resulting in corpos choosing Youtube. That's it. In an alternate world where Hololive and Niji made a business deal with Amazon instead of Google you'd be talking about how "Japanese vtuber fans prefer Twitch as a platform" because you have the causality reversed.

>>51524599
yeah, too bad we don't live in alternate universes.
Nazuna has told you already that the Japanese are slow in adopting Twitch. Stop being ignorant, you fucking baka.

>>51524755
her kaigai fans also don't want to watch her on twitch, as it happens. there's basically no reason for her to move platforms when she could be addressing her actual issues

>>51524972
I only watch her when she's on Twitch. I'm not going to juggle 4 or 5 different accounts to keep up with her.

>>51525072
I'm sure you and the two others like you in your vsj thread will be felt as a great loss to her

Her dedicated kaigai fanbase prefers Youtube and there's more JP vtuber fans on Youtube, there's literally no reason for her to stream on Twitch.

Dude people are talking about "growing her audience". Her audience already exists. They are hololive fans who click on the recommended streams on their homepage. They subbed to Mikeneko a year ago because she is Rushia and do not watch her on any other platform, just youtube. The algorithm causes other people who do this exact same behavior to get sucked in. The number of people who do this and already would watch her is bigger than any amount she would ever gain from any sort of "discoverability". She is already found. She just needs to stream where that audience is.

>>51524755
How could Nazuna or anyone else possibly isolate Twitch vs. Youtube as the primary cause, bypassing the confounding factor of mikeneko and Nazuna being different characters with different channels with different amounts of subscribers? It's all speculation and I just don't believe most viewers care about platform as much as you do.

>>51524198
I think only 3 girls had lines

>>51525072
What the fuck does "juggle" mean in this context? You don't have to do maintenance work on a youtube account, dipshit. If you get a notif that she's streaming, you click it and go watch her. There's zero effort involved for you. What the fuck is wrong with you?
>>51525272
Nobody is saying either is the cause of her lack of growth. We're saying it makes no fucking difference, so she should stick to the platform her audience likes and she knows how to use instead of constantly hemorrhaging viewers by being chaotic stupid.

>>51525234
This is exactly right, and I doubt she'll ever do it because she is incredibly weird about that account. She has never, ever streamed anything like consistently on it, usually leaves archives off, has scrubbed the channel entirely clean even of the vods she did allow to be archived. She will never use that account normally and will never access those casual viewers.

>>51525072
are you high? if you actually watch Mikeneko you already have to "juggle" a twitch, twitter and YT account for her
If you're a Nazuna casual then you only have to deal with Twitch, and if she moves to YT you'll still only have to deal with a YT account instead.

>>51525406
>it makes no fucking difference
Agreed, or at least not any important difference. Therefore we can stop timelooping about twitch vs. youtube since it doesn't matter.

>>51525847
It makes no difference to her growth. It does make a difference to her retention. A lot of her audience doesn't follow her to twitch. This is blatantly present in her own CCVs across platforms.

>>51525987
Her audience is going to follow her to anything that isn't みけねこ ch. regardless of what website it's on. She has demonstrated zero indication of ever making that her main channel. It is a distant third behind Twitch and twitcasting.
If people want to say "Nazuna should retire and mikeneko becomes the only character associated with her", that makes sense, but that is really a different and bigger issue than YT vs. Twitch.

>>51526160
*isn't going to follow

>>51526160
What the fuck are you on? Her not having used it as her main channel has fuck all to do with the viewers she gets on it, which are way more than she gets on any other platform. All she has to do is go through with streaming on it and the viewers will show up. I have no idea why you're acting like she has some sort of psychological barrier that both prevents her from maining that channel and also magically emits anti-viewer rays when she streams on it, but your theory is not in evidence.

>>51526368
>I have no idea why you're acting like she has some sort of psychological barrier that both prevents her from maining
Here are a few reasons:
>she has never streamed consistently on it
>she has repeatedly put up title cards on it only to cancel the stream at the last minute
>has mentioned nervousness about streaming on it many times
>surely has bad memories associated with several events on that account
>refuses to archive vods
>makes the vods menber only when she does archive them
>purges the account of all public vods
Should I keep going?

>>51526958
like half of those points also apply to twitcast so I'm not sure what you're talking about
wasn't she asking her viewers to subscribe to her YT channel earlier today?

>>51526958
Most important
>does anything on it
>subs go down

>>51526958
>>she has never streamed consistently on it
she doesn't stream consistently period
>>she has repeatedly put up title cards on it only to cancel the stream at the last minute
not that often
>>has mentioned nervousness about streaming on it many times
again, not that often, and that was quite a while ago
>>surely has bad memories associated with several events on that account
she has far worse memories on twitch
>>refuses to archive vods
>>makes the vods menber only when she does archive them
she does this on twitcasting too
>>purges the account of all public vods
she has a bunch of public vods, so I'm not sure what you're talking about
>>Should I keep going?
No, go on and say how this magically keeps away viewers when it's evident she gets more on that channel than anywhere else.

>>51527139
This is nonsense. She just so rarely does stuff on that account that there's a bunch of time between streams for subs to trickle away.

>>51526958
can you please stop one-guying the thread, thank you

>>51527364
>nonsense
>subs go down immediately after she does things
>complains when it happens every time and stops doing the thing
>literally happened yesterday after she told people to sub her channel
I know you're just ego stroking yourself here trying to prove you know it all like you're the CEO of some nameless corpo so there's no point arguing anything with you, but unless said inexplicable phenomenon gets figured out or all of the shitty subs finally get replaced by actual fans that won't unsub every time she does something there's really no point posturing about "solutions" for numbers.

>>51527293
>she has a bunch of public vods, so I'm not sure what you're talking about
I'm not going to go line-by-line with you but this is just not true. The only public videos are the infamous tst, the marshmellow video, a model demo, her orisong, the sakura viewing video, and a short. There is not a single vod left. No holidays, no gaming, neither of her model debuts, nothing.

But yeah, I'm sure she's just about to go whole-hog on this account because a neckbeard on 4chins said it would help her numbers.

>>51527988
I know I'm getting baited hardcore here but anon you have to go the Live tab on YT to see VODs

>>51527904
Her subscribers peaked in July of 2022 and have steadily and slowly gone down ever since, with no statistically significant spikes ever.

>>51528420
I'm not the one you need to convince here mate, it's the superstitious lady who's too stubborn to listen to anyone before a certain point is reached.

>>51528420 (Me)
This is obviously because of her inactivity, and the fix for that is simple and involves no workarounds for a phenomenon that isn't happening. You need to learn the difference between her seeing her sub count drop by 5 and complaining about it and her actually losing subs magically when she does anything.

>>51528699
Really? Cause here >>51527904 you're very much acting like it's a real phenomenon.

>>51527988
https://www.youtube.com/@mikenekoko/streams
...

>>51527988
God I hate Vshojo fans

So what's the deal with Nazuna leaving Vshitshow rrat or fact? Feels like menhera doesn't let her function in a group, not in the long run at least so I would take everything she might say about the company etc. with a grain of salt but even if they actually tried to help her Vshojo whole branding and atmosphere is a terrible fit for someone that used to be Rushia and then kson had this bizzare unicorn rant despite being pretty unicorn-friendly in the past herself it's so weird.

>>51528795
Because that's what she believes, and I was conveying it to you. I'm sure that she has a lot of subs that are just drama fags subbing so they can spam her chat due to the chat restriction thing and that's what's going down, but unless you can change her mind it shall always be "activity = lose subs" for her and any solutions you propose here have absolutely no effect. Literally every time you tell her to leave an archive or upload videos she'll just shoot back a "you say that, but last time I did that subs went down" and continue doing whatever.

>>51529316
Her being in Vshojo has been nothing but pain for her and her fans. I think she feels like an alien with nothing but foreign speakers all around her as coworkers. The Japanese branch barely speaks Japanese at all and are against idol culture. Whatever she decides to do I’ll follow her, but if she stays I hope to god that they would at least get some actual Japanese speaking chuubas.

>>51529631
>The Japanese branch barely speaks Japanese
>get some actual Japanese speaking chuubas
Henya and Kson both live in Japan and speak it in their day-to-day lives. How much more they need to speak it for to not feel like an "alien"? For whatever reason it seems like she doesn't want to associate with the other Vshojo JP members. A while back Henya raided her and she basically ignored it.

>>51530699
Japanese speaking as in "they speak Japanese around her and each other", not "they are fluent in the language". She says they exclusively speak English in their shared Discord, so she can't join in, and she doesn't want to ask them to speak Japanese because autism.
>A while back Henya raided her and she basically ignored it.
Yes, she was being menhera and she got over it.

>>51531029
>she was being menhera and she got over it.
So when's the collab?

>>51531307
if they're really playing APEX then hopefully never

>>51531307
Just because she got over the menhera and started interacting with her doesn't mean there's going to be a collab, anon.