/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

657 days sinse Council

HoloEN has been left to rot, meanwhile other EN corpos have been getting the pick of the litter, growing slowly but surely because Hololive wasted their lead.

Each EN member would do better outside of Hololive. It's amazing there hasn't been a full revolt after this mistreatment.

>>51159054
>growing
>almost every small corpo's total CCV of all their talents combined can't even beat Mori
Nobody will ever watch your literal whos without straight up being paid to do so and they're wasting their time in 3view hell.

>>51159054
>EN corpos have been getting the pick of the litter
trust me, Holo isn't missing out on much

If You consider Tempus as part of HoloEN it hasn't been long
>b-but they're holostars and guy!
Yes but Cover saw it as a girl replacement. They staved you of new girls thinking you'll eat boys rather than starve.

Back to your cage, numbermonkeys.

>>51159054
Hopefully holoen has access to a bigger talent pool than the rest of the market

>>51159143
It's funny how you get so defensive over the fact that numbers is all you have to show, when the boys are doing just as poorly.

Growth takes time and effort, something Hololive has refused to do with their EN sidebranch. Sooner of later, their laziness will end up being biting them in the ass and they'll lose their lead entirely.

>>51159143
Unfortunately Cover is also wasting OUR time with the homo spam, and that's infinitely worse than these girls getting fed up by the company's unwillingness to debut new girls and just going for the others who were willing to hire them.

>>51159265
Holostars isnt hololive

>>51159265
>he is still trying to push homostars as EN3 when cover themselves took a dump on him snd told him that isnt the case

>>51159274
So you get some washed up entertainers who are in it for the money rather than wanting to be vtubers and knowing their community? Most of the girls in the EN corpos liked vtubers and were involved in the culture. The same expectation cannot be held of the next gen, whenever that is. Expect a few more Kroniis to show up.

>>51159296
>Growth takes time and effort
This isn't building an Amazon, or a Google, or a Facebook. Vtubers have a short shelf life before they're haggard and disgusting and life gets in the way and they graduate. Your small corpo "growth" is literally the difference between whether Mori chooses to play some JPRG crap or Minecraft. Clock's ticking.

>>51158972
ID4 before EN3.

>>51159353
They are, for EN. Omega says so. Your wish have been heard or something.

>>51159410
Nigger what the fuck are you talking about? What kind of mental illness is this?

>>51159361
That's only after it failed.

>>51159433
>Omega
Who? The music director? That got fired in february 2022?

>>51159410
>Vtubers have a short shelf life before they're haggard and disgusting and life gets in the way and they graduate
You do realize dai senpai was a one view, right? That was 6 years ago.
Most EN corpos (and even some /lig/s) are only one or two years old, and have only recently found their footing, and their best performers consistently rival Hololive in CCV.

The writing's on the wall, it's just not visible yet.

>>51159265
Even if management tried as hard as they could to push them as EN3 they still not an EN3 and never will be.

>>51159433
And they fired him for that failure.

>>51159433
>Omega who? - Kiara
>Do people think Omega is our manager? That's crazy. - Magni

>>51159502
It's what Cover thought, not what I think.
>>51159554
It isn't what Cover thought in June of last year.

>>51159566
Well June of last year is done. This is the present. Quit timelooping.

>>51159554
>Do people think Omega is our manager? That's crazy. - Magni
It's crazy because Omega is their genmate

>>51159499
Dai senpai also makes like an infinite amount of more money than some 3view small corpo shitter. She can afford to stay, or rather it is very beneficial to continue staying in whatever capacity she can, maybe even eventually move up to management at the 10th anniversary or something. Hololive is a career. Small corpos are a gamble. Everybody in a small corpo has an escape plan, a plan B, if they were smart.

>>51159719
>Hololive is a career
Tell that to the chumkeks kek

>>51159744
Can you just not bother replying next time?

>>51159719
>Hololive is a career. Small corpos are a gamble
Cool, then explain to the class why Cover didn't debut new girls for EN last year and decided to invest all their efforts in 8 failures.

>>51159783
It's true, is it not? The biggest vtuber in Hololive, Gawr Gura, is for all intents and purposes, is on an indefinite hiatus. She has a PL she can turn to in case Cover cuts her out and she'll be just as successful there. And just like her, all Hololive girls have a Plan B.

There is tangentially no difference between Hololive and other corpos, they were just first in the game, but they certainly won't be the last ones there.

>>51159866
Same reason Yagoo bought Tumblr for $1 billion. Mistakes were made.

>>51159054
>>51159180
These are kind of both true really, probably 90% of the alleged hype or top picks taken were never actually that good or worthy to begin with.

Still however out of all the randos out there the past 2 years, if Cover picked exactly the right people they could have put together another solid gen out of the pool if they tried. They didn't try however so even that handful of ones with potential is scattered out now.

>>51159956
Yahoo*

>>51159554
That's marketing material here is how they are actually organized
HoloEN and StarsEN are under one management
HoloID stands on its own

>>51159866
What the fuck does that have anything to do with what he said retard? As for your answer they debuted homos because they are fucking retarded they thought they could make it work but failed, homos have no fucking effect on anything and when cover finally gets there mind out of the gutter and debuts en3 your dimensional level reach will look like a fucking joke.

>>51160004
>Not even a good edit
At least try harder you're embarrassing me.

>>51159895
>Just as successful
No they won't and if there is such good thing then they would have left long ago hololive and other corpos are fundamentally different because people who get in don't want to leave.
Suisei is determined to reach mainstream as suisei all others who had there 5th anniversary recently say they look forward to another five
Hololive is too big to fall now if it dies the industry dies with it.

>>51159719
What does that have to do with Sora debuting to 13 viewers? How much money do you think she was making then?

>>51159968
>90% of the alleged hype or top picks taken were never actually that good or worthy to begin with
One look at Council shows that to be true.

The true stars aren't going to wait for Cover to get off their asses, and the gems in the rough might be missed by the sheer volume. Case in point, Beryl LeRou: she has Kiara's life experience as a bilingual JP idol but is also one of the best EN vsingers anywhere, and she's going to graduate soon after a stint at an actual JP corpo... but the most likely place she'll end up? Phase Connect, because the CEO recognized the talent for what it was. Someone that Hololive fans would have loved, is probably going to be used against Hololive fans as catalog shitposting when she shows up there.

Meanwhile, what's Yagoo doing? Building his metaverse gimmick shit? The ultra expensive 3D studio that they can't even utilize yet? It's sad and leaves me with very few expectations for EN3.

>>51159956
>>51159988
Kek. But calling that a mistake (both the homos and tumblr) is an understatement.

>>51159968
Everyone in this board would be calling any of the HoloEN girls shitters if they weren't under the blue dorito brand (hell, some call them shitters regardless), and there's always the case of someone fixing themselves after getting hired by a bigger agency which happened with a lot of the JP members. Regardless of that the clock is absolutely ticking for Cover and the longer they take to hire new girls the more likely they lose out the ones with actual potential and make everyone else less likely to waste their time if they're going to take an eternity to debut new gens. If they took almost 2 years for a third gen what impedes them from doing the same for future gens?

>>51160028
>and when cover finally gets there mind out of the gutter and debuts en3 your dimensional level reach will look like a fucking joke
Cool, and when will this happen? As the OP is showing in 40 days HoloEN will beat StarsJP record of longest wait between new gens, and a month later they'll reach a whopping 2 years since Council's debut. My goal here is not to shit on HoloEN because I probably want an EN3 more than you, but sucking Yagoo and Cover's dick thinking everyone out there sucks is fucking pathetic when they force fed you the most bottom of the barrel garbage that somehow managed to do literally everything people back in the /jp/-era were afraid Myth would do and in under a year since their debuts. I'm fucking tired of you coverdrones acting like the company is infallible and that they will pull great hires out of their asses when they haven't done fuck all for the branch in over 18 months since the auditions "started", and if none of the 5 girls they pick are higher specs than ALL of the girls who debuted under Idol, Phase Connect, Prism, the micros corpos or even fucking NijiEN you'll have negative reasons left to be smug about your pet corpo. They took an absurdly long time to debut a third gen so I want to be fucking impressed.

>>51160211
Nothing. And then Cover got lucky. Does that mean I should jerk you off and validate your imaginary future where your small corpo of choice suddenly exploded into everyone being a 4view and 5view and be like, "Yes, yes, Hololive is doomed?"

>>51160419
Hololive isn't doomed. They'll just recline until they're no longer the most successful ones in the business. Just another bygone, out-of-touch corpo.

>>51160275
You are actually retarded to think your indies going elsewhere means anything, hololive dosent needs "stars" they can make them from thin air even if they debud 3 girls like kobo who have never stremed before it's going to be a success for some reason you indieshitters think there talent going elsewhere is detrimental to hololive, it isn't they have too many people to choose from if one isn't willing to wait they will take someone who is willing to wait it's that simple.

>>51160470
Hololive fans anti IRyS constantly because she can't beat Mori.

Mori and some of Myth was a good pick. Council wasn't. You can't make a star out of dust, that's how you get Kronii and Bae.

>>51160419
Nigger you're the one creating a strawman to defend your retarded corpo. People just want new girls and Cover isn't fucking giving them new girls, why is that so hard to understand? Why are you coverdrones so dedicated in shitting on everyone else while you get force fed shit covered veggies that would be fucking 2views if they weren't shilled as hard as they were?

>>51160386
I hate the homos too but calling them anything more then a mistake is retarded cover is run by humans and humans make mistakes, i haven't consumed there garbage homoshit and am waiting for en3 what is the purpose of crying about it on a anonymous board full of scizos?

>>51160419
No, but it does mean you would be better off not replying to posts with completely irrelevant points that make you look like an illiterate retard

>>51160448
Right. Because the in-touch small corpos are really innovating and totally not just following exactly what every other person is doing. What innovation is being missed here? YouTube videos? Donothons?

>>51160523
>Anti Irys
Nigga this isn't the real world holy fucking retard actually brainwashed by fucking vt raats there are barely more then thousand people active here out of which a few hundereds go around and start shit, it literally means nothing.

>>51160594
They 1) cater to a western fanbase, giving them more reach and 2) don't sit on their asses when it comes to growth.

>>51160535
It started from literally the second post in this thread >>51159054. Shut your mouth, retard.

>>51160638
>other corpos: gives new girls
>cover: *crickets*
>you: AAA FUCK YOUR WHORES, I ONLY LOVE THE BLUE TRIANGLE
You're pathetic.

A true hololive fan knows when to call out their bullshit. And this right here? >>51158972 Not only is it bullshit, it's also neglect.

Just know this 1-3view shitter itt
Baelz probably outearn all of you combined with one metric only (merch)

>>51160050
You're right anon that level of quality is beneath what I expect from my own shitposts
Here let me at least use their proper logos

I suspect HoloEN fans will be begging their oshis to quit Hololive and go indie before long. It's just too fucked up how poorly managed HoloEN is.

>>51160470
What's the point of having a huge pool to chose if they're not picking anyone?

>>51160547
They did this mistake with StarsJP. StarsEN isn't a mistake, it's straight up lunacy, especially when no StarsJP gen debuted without a Hololive gen dropping within a month before or after them while Cover spammed 8 EN homos in less than 6 months without a single new debut for Hololive as a whole. How much long their actual main audience has to wait to be catered while they do everything for those barely 4view shit eaters?

>>51160698
Rrat was also a 2view before Hololive so your argument makes no sense. Where's the third gen, coverdrone? That's the main question being asked in this thread and you retards keep avoiding it to shit on other corpos who are actually debuting new girls.

>>51160633
Where's the reach? What's the growth? I like that you think you have insider baseball knowledge about small corpos I'm not privy of. I do pay attention to all of them. Pippa is the only one that saw any significant growth. Everybody else hovers in the hundreds, when the small corpo hasn't completely imploded.

>>51160791
Nah my oshi was worse off when she was an indie
Her peak was in Hololive before Tempus came along I want to go back to that time

>>51160778
>The gray banner in Myth and Council
oof, so close, try to match the color of the background

>>51160820
Where's the new gens? Where's the EN growth? The branch is reaching historical lows every single month since Cover had the amazingly smart decision to push a bunch of homos instead of debuting new girls, so why aren't they doing anything to stop this?

>>51160897
I won't put any more effort into some throwaway bait sorry anon

>>51160820
There is no secret. It's clear to everyone outside of the hololive bubble that hololive has not only been bleeding fans and viewers to other vtubers, both indie and corpo, ever since Council debuted, but other corpos are picking up the audiences outside of the Hololive bubble. If donothons for 3views can consistently make tens of thousands of dollars, then that's tens of thousands of dollars not going to hololive.

Keep in mind, this only really applies to the EN market. HololiveJP isn't going anywhere because they already have enough girls and events for it to not become stale.

>>51159180
Many of the vtubers who ended up in small corpos would have made for good HoloENs. People might not like them as much in their current environment, but that wasn't different for most of the current HoloEN members before they joined. Under the Blue Dorito a lot of these girls could have soared to much greater heights.

>>51160778
IRyS...

>>51160993
Nah, you see, if they weren't hired it means they suck, but let's ignore how the 8 guys Cover got are boring shitters who managed to reach various negative firsts in the company and especially on the EN side.

My theory is that Cover simply has no interest in expanding their ranks. Maybe they feel that the 51 talents they have in Hololive right now make for a nice manageable number, it's enough variety to cover a broad range or interests but it's also small enough that fans can actually get to know every talent and they can have events that actually feature everyone. This would become difficult and eventually impossible if they just kept adding people endlessly like Niji does.

>>51161496
If that was true they wouldn't remind people that auditions are open.

>>51161496
Nigger it's been 2 fucking years, and EN is absolutely not in a healthy place when even if they stream more than than the JP average they still can't fill enough timeslots and make the branch feel like they don't stream enough. If they don't want more people then fucking close the retarded open auditions and stop giving people a false sense of hope.

>>51161496
>Maybe they feel that the 51 talents they have in Hololive right now make for a nice manageable number.
nah, if it was true, tempus will never existed in first place

>>51161345
I'm not sure what your point is apart from Tempus being a bad idea (which is true).

>>51161811
My point is that coverdrones will continue to convince themselves that none of the girls who went to other agencies are good enough for HoloEN even after they were given some of the worst hires in Cover's history.

>>51161985
I think that's mostly just shitposting; pretending to be a tribalist holofan is all the rage on the catalog right now.
In /hlgg/ and the EN generals people talk about how some vtuber should get hired by Cover decently often.

>>51161662
Man, imagine how much better HoloEN would be like today if they had released EN3 last year... Fuck it makes me sad.

>>51158972
Tempus 3 soon!

Based off time since last gen and audition announcements, Cover's new gen line will likely go: JP7> StarsEN 2/3 >StarsJP4 >ID4> EN3

>>51162247
I hate thinking about it. We should've been expecting an EN4 by now, but instead we don't even know if we'll get an EN3 before the end of this year.

>>51162357
Nigger just kill yourself.

>>51162357
I would've put ID4 before StarsJP and maybe even before StarsEN but I think yours is a realistic estimate

>>51158972
The ocean is unironically DRY
>non vtubers western content creators are either established enough to not give a shit to vtubing or too garbage and or incompatible with vtubing
>indie vtuber 2views are all quitting FOR GODO NO REINCARNATION IT'S OVER DONE FOR or get poached by other corpo and there are several agencies that are very much worth joining too or are just garbage twitch whores that can't pass Cover auditions anyways
It's just over

>>51162974
Chapipi...
M0moki...
Miori...

>>51163074
Idol EN2
Who
Still active

>>51159700
>4chan knows who Altare's RM is
>It isn't Omega.

You will know it's comming when Omega shows back again
He is just the lore connector between all EN groups by lore, he is not a manager or anything though, just a lore figure

>>51163074
>>51163104
caitlyn/M0moki is probably the most realistic EN3 given her background and recent graduation. She's basically IRyS but white. Even has a couple of 10mil+ view covers

>>51163225
>inb4 idol en2, phase gen3. next nijisanji wave, just fucked off

>>51163104
>Idol EN2
I want to murder Yagoo if this actually happens. The next bet for a good singer in EN3 is Beryl but there's a cursed chance that she might end up in Phase Connect, and there's no way they can get Nina without giving her a special contract. At this point I'm losing all my hopes that the third gen will have any good singers unless they pull a literal who out of their asses but then there's no guarantee that she'll dedicate herself to the job if she wasn't a streamer beforehand.

>>51163382
thats the catch
You go for absolute literal whos with zero experience in streaming or near next to nothing? you gotta get lucky, worked for myth but didn't work just aswell with half of council

>>51163225
>She's basically IRyS but white
My thoughts exactly, if HoloEN ever wants to expand its Vsinger/Project Hope lineup they should add her to IRyS
It would be good for IRyS to not be singled out as the one without a gen she belongs to anymore as well

>>51163225
She's also done VA work. She's pretty much an automatic in if she wants it.

>>51163541
>if she wants it.
IF they're hiring

>>51163444
Because Council unironically didn't have literal whos outside of Rrat. Well, Myth neither with only Watson being the true literal who and Kiara being somewhat one, but the majority of HoloEN are people who had decently big followings. The only point all of them have in common is how they all didn't succeed as streamers but other than that Gura and Mumei had 1 million subs channels, Ina and Sana were pro artists who worked for big chink gachas, IRyS and Kronii had pretty big channels with videos/covers who went viral and Fauna was probably the most successful streamer of the bunch. I think proportionally EN is probably the most "stacked" gen regarding pls/rms.

>>51163224
He didn't came back for StarEN2 you dumbfuck

I think that if EN3 isn't announced at HoloEN Connect, it's unironically over.

>>51166883
EN3 couldn't succeed in the current environment
Even if they debuted soon they would only create a short term spike from the hype of being the first in 2 years then die off faster than holos before

>>51166883
Yeap. If they don't drop in early July then the next best month is fucking October because Cover would be retarded to debut them in August or September, and late July is reserved for the homos first anniversary and probably their last hurrah before they get the standard merch treatment.

>>51167254
The fuck is this cope?

>>51168080
>The fuck is this cope?
It's the Tempiss is killing HoloEN cope
EN3 couldn't possibly be successful because the boys are still around

>>51168265
They can just ignore the homos. "But muh beggars" Kiara literally shoves in their faces that she doesn't want to collab with them every other stream, and Tempoop is completely divorced from HoloEN outside of Rrat.

>>51168689
>They can just ignore the homos
That will be up to them but what about the viewers? They will see new girls, find a design that appeals to them, a personality they can vibe with or maybe just a voice they enjoy hearing on the side. Then they will think "oh hey maybe she could be my oshi" and then they remember that homocollabs could happen at any moment
As long as they exist no girl will be safe to oshi and fans will always be aware of that

>>51159566
then why tf are they called holostars? if they are apart of hololive then they should be labeled as such, otherwise they are in their own containment branch

>>51160004
>they're under the same management
every single talent has their own manager idiot, where tf did this rrat come from that they share managers? maybe the managers for live/stars work together but they all have seperate managers, that's been stated numerous times

>>51169041
>otherwise they are in their own containment branch
That's the japanese model but the starsEN branch is much closer to holoEN than starsJP are to holoJP
They share the same management, hang out in the same servers and collab more freely with each other

>>51169088
There are talent managers and branch management
Do your reps anon

>>51168905
Fair but the frequency of homocollabs reduced significantly and even the big proponents like Mori, Kronii and Watson just do it with a few of them, once per month and completely ignored the new gen. Also any new girl debuting in the future will have their examples to base themselves off and most will probably reach the conclusion that the controversy of collabing with them is not worth the hassle unless they're their fans, but even then the number of Tempiss fans that are applying to HoloEN is probably minuscule considering how pathetically small their core audience is.

>>51169142
>collab more freely with each other
Yeah, I sure love all these collabs they're having with each other that aren't the same 4 people.

>>51160778
>>51160004
>>51159566
>>51159433
>>51159265
check mate faggots

>>51169142
every single one of those points you just made is total bullshit
>They share the same management
each talent has their own seperate manager, this has been stated numerous times, they don't share managers
>they hang out in the same servers
is that why holostars isn't allowed on the hololive minecraft and rust servers?
>they collab more frequently with each other
no they literally don't, they do like one collab a month, and that only applies to mori and kronii, bae and amelia do one around every three months, JP does it way more often

>>51169203
>Yeah, I sure love all these collabs they're having with each other that aren't the same 4 people.
I think most people know it was a failure to merge them but no one wants to admit it.

>>51169203
>Yeah, I sure love all these collabs they're having with each other that aren't the same 4 people.
Look at Bae's collab with Bettel and Vesper. Bae and Bettel talked about doing a watchalong and chat memed them into adding Vesper to the group which worked spontaneously without issues
Or Ame doing her open discord call for singing a duet during a karaoke stream which Altare jumped into

They can collab whenever and however they want without managerial oversight

>>51169142
also read >>51169236
this is from the holoEN audition sign up sheet which was released a few weeks ago

>>51169422
i can tell you're a newfag cause that amelia situation literally didn't happen, she played a recording of him singing the same song as her and did a duet with the recording. And even still, there's only 4 girls who do homocollabs in EN and amelia does them so infrequently that she barely counts, she did one in the past 3 months and that was literally a favor to her genmate

>>51169418
Thank god they didn't merge further because that would literally murder HoloEN.

>>51169422
Nigger that watchalong happened almost 5 months after Tempoop's debut, and Watson's bullshit karaoke happened a few weeks after Tempiss' debut and she never did that again. There's barely any collabs between HoloEN and the homos, stop acting like they're Nijisanji you fucking beggar.

>>51169583
I'm making a point about how they can collab freely how they want because the StarsEN branch and HoloEN branch are close to each other
Those examples were not chosen to represent frequency of collabs

>>51169716
Cool, but even if they can collab more freely they just don't. They could come back to their late August/Septmber period where they collabed almost weekly and more frequently than all girls collabs, but they don't. I fucking wonder why.

Indiechads smallcorpobros, it's time to save

>>51169383
>each talent has their own seperate manager, this has been stated numerous times, they don't share managers
see >>51169201
Who do you think runs HoloEN? It's not the talents or individual managers

>>51169383
>they don't share managers
they do, plus they have thier own manager. Example Mumei and Ame share Henma as their manager.

>>51169910
ok but do any of the holostars share a manager with any of the girls?
>>51169893
who cares who runs the overall english side of the company? their individual managers are all seperate, yagoo also runs hololive and holostars on the JP side and yet no one gives a damn about that

>>51170095
>ok but do any of the holostars share a manager with any of the girls?
Not really no. As far as I'm concerned the only named manager for the boys is Axel's and she's Gori-mane.

>>51170095
>yagoo also runs hololive and holostars on the JP side and yet no one gives a damn about that
He's the CEO but both Hololive JP and Holostars JP have their own branch manager
HoloEN and StarsEN share said management, they present themselves as separate branches to the public but they are one branch behind the scenes

>>51169236
>thaifag
>calls other faggots
lol
also, "female characters" meaning a man could potentially play them too, as long as /they/ roleplay as a "female" like you ladyboys over there, retard ESL.

>>51170274
>"female characters" meaning a man could potentially play them too
They had this on every single auditions form and that never happened. Hell, I don't know a single agency that hired some troon for a female role, but keep coping that Cover will be the first one to do it.

>>51170354
i did say potentially, but it's never going to happen for a female character. not in hololive.
niji already did it for a male character. i wouldn't count ryushen because even the character doesn't specify shit, but /they/ are the closest one yet.
companies just put those shit to be "inclusive" because that's the world we have to live in.
also not coping for any shit, just wanted to fuck up the thaifag. it was such a low hanging fruit. KEK

>>51170354
>Hell, I don't know a single agency that hired some troon for a female role
Well, i know one black-rainbow corpo that did, but they hired female for male model...

>>51170689
There's Meli as well for the unknown gender ones.

>>51170820
That's why I specified troon for a female model. Nijisanji did this with male models a couple of times already, with the first JP wave trap and the SEEDS shota being played by women, and Yugo as you mentioned.

EN now is basically on life support

>>51172764
It's been on life support since late 2022. Cover had the brilliant idea to not debut new girls right before the period the current EN girls would start getting busy with travels to Japan for recordings for HoloFes, the multiple lives they appeared recently and the big concert in July. I still don't understand how they convinced themselves that the core audience who's there for the girls would watch a bunch of homos during the dead hours.

>>51175654
>I still don't understand how they convinced themselves that the core audience who's there for the girls would watch a bunch of homos during the dead hours.
Luxiem was successful (was being the key word) and EN management and Cover strategists thought they could find an untapped audience in a similar market segment. Launching the EN homos (once) was gamble of financial and management resources, but it wasn't a stupid move on its own.
They didn't factor in the end the natural recline from the end of the pandemic removing some casuals who would watch basically anything, and the collab spam did irreversible damage to multiple talents on both the hololive and holostars side. Doing it twice, specifically skipping EN3 in 2022, was asinine and mixing the branches on top of that was an arrogant somersault right into the dumpster fire of western sociopolitical issues and devolved quickly. The homobeggers are a direct result of allowing the collab spam to take place, and they have been a cancer on the fandom ever since.

>>51163074
>Miori...
Assuming she is not gonna be forced to quit vtubing forever in the next 2 months you can actually try to influence her at the very least auditioning by pressuring the same parents that wants to kill her career, all you need to do is sending a printed presentation of Cover financial reports and what Hololive is to her PO box and stating that this is something for mama and papa for being considerate and letting her streaming like you would try to lure in investors
>people need to understand this is only a job i’m able to keep doing because i have certain responsibilities that i have to meet for those i live with and if there are opportunities i have no choice
these are her own words, if you can convince the parents being an Holo is a stable career in an sector that she already has some skills they are gonna make her audition at the very least, they have lowkey already very much gave up on having her becomming a dentist and they are already influcing her channel activities already and pushing for specific sponsorship, they really just need that Hololive exposure.

>>51176562
While I get the Luxiem angle it still doesn't answer why they thought the girls' main audience would want to watch them. Granted Cover probably just saw big number and didn't fucking do any research on it, but Luxiem's success was all because they brought a new audience that wasn't watching NijiEN originally (to the point they were the least affected vtubers during the ccvid since their early fans weren't previous vtuber fans) and their massive growth came from them becoming big in the Chinese market. The initial NijiEN audience that was watching the girls never gave a fuck about them and a lot left after mixed collabs became the norm since they were previous Hololive fans. It made no sense to push the homos so hard for their main male audience when they never cared about the JP dudes before, and they would never be a replacement for the girls as we're seeing right now almost a year after the debut of the first batch. Cover actually knew this in the past and never debuted a new Stars gen without following or preceding them with a Hololive gen, so why the fuck they thought this time for certain they would succeed in making people who only care about female chuubas watch males and why they didn't have a plan B in case that didn't happen?

>>51158972
Good. They can't be saved anyway.

>>51158972
Don't care, i'm a stream watcher, not a numberfag

Does anyone in council even have 1 milly subs? Gotta get that first

Wow what a surprise, it's a thinly veiled /#/ thread!

>>51180192
Correlation is not causation, you niggerfaggot.

>>51183452
But correlation does not exclude causation either retard

>>51183517
Cool, but if Cover is really that retarded to wait until someone in Council gets 1 million subs why even have open auditions? Why waste everyone's time if they won't hire anyone until fucking 2024 if we go by the current forecast?

>>51180192
>yeah sorry everyone we can't expand even if we should because nobody has hit the arbitrary, very high number yet
>no can do boss said so
>stop the presses shut everything down

what is that shitty rrat anyway? how does anyone seriously believe this?

>>51183792
It's councilschizos finding new ways to shit on them.

>>51159054
Yagoo is using the EN branch to test his ideas for HoloPro unity. He delayed EN3 to see if Tempus could get higher numbers. The holostars auditions tweet in December indicates that Tempus 3 will be released this summer. No matter what fans want to believe management is clearly being told to put most of their support behind Tempus. There is a good chance the gap between EN2 and EN3 will be over 750 days.

>>51184252
If they push Tempus 3 before EN3 the branch will fucking die. The second batch already failed in bringing more people and with a third one the main Hololive audience will get absolutely pissed and the homos will lose the few tourists remaining after they lost most of it because of Tempoop.

>>51170354
To be fair, 9/10 rainbow streams have shitty nasally man voices because they are too lazy to train or shout about themselves from the rooftops with no opsec. Disqualified from the get-go.

Not exactly a surprise no one gets hired when the qualified hiring pool is tiny to non-existent.

>>51184761
I can imagine pushing a Homo vsinger right before EN3

>>51185177
The homo vsinger rrat is dead after the faggot people kept saying was the one chosen was linked to the NijiGamers leak.

>>51159067
Now what fucking mistreatment? They're lazy, micromanaged bitches that get away with minimal effort performance, they've gotten regular updates and support from Cover, they receive very generous commissions from everything they do and being under the blue Dorito umbrella automatically puts them above every other Vtuber agency in terms of exposure. They're only not millionaires because they refuse to be minimum effort bitches that can't even keep a cork on how much they look down upon their audience.

>>51170274
Categorizing those submissions with a mark for instant and automatic rejection is a much smoother system for them than an upfront "need not apply" disclaimer.

>>51169383
We don't know the actual corporate structure here, but there is reason to believe that HoloEN and StarsEN are much closer than HoloJP and StarsJP, at least at first.
>HoloEN talent knew that StarsEN were coming while StarsJP did not, suggesting an autonomous "HoloproEN" separate from the main branch
>The HoloEN talent were introduced to the StarsEN talent in some way. We don't know what that introduction entails (could have been a simple "hi" and no further communication), but it happened. Vesper let it slip that Mumei gave him advice around this time.
>There IS some sort of shared discord server based on Axel @ing everyone for Bad End Night. Maybe most of the talent don't hang out in there, but it exists, or did at one point.
Things could have obviously changed since then considering VG not really having anything to do with HoloEN, but at least at the start of the branch, they were really trying to make "HoloproEN" work.

>>51186008
Obviously, do you think they hired and created a new structure just to run HolostarsEN? It was obvious from the start that they answer to the pre-existing EN management and the japanese stars management is just sometimes updated, like it is with Hololive.

>>51185441
>lazy
Actually that's factually untrue and there are numbers to prove it.

>40 days til record
>concert 2nd July
>collab ban one month (if your gen is not tempus)

EN3 next weekend?

Another question is....Who goes to the audictions?
Lets say, you have a girl really passionate about singing. HoloEN shows no interest in creating a 3D studio, and the EN Vsinger does not even have a 3D model.
Someone that wants to stream a lot: Japanese permission autism and management pestering you to take breaks.

What is the best thing about HoloEN? Merch Money. Cover is just alluring for greedy bitches. Like Kronii that joins Holo not knowing who the fuck is Marine.
The only option for HoloEN is training girls or rescue 2views and pray.

>>51190432
>Another question is....Who goes to the audictions?
Holofangirls
Cloutchasers
Streamers that want to make their hobby a full time job, perms autism might suck but I don't think it would turn dedicated streamers off that much

>>51189815
Everyone's expectation is that they'll be announced at the concert and debut soon after

>>51188909
is there a yearwide or longer version of this? EN swings pretty wildly over smaller timeframes due to their smaller number. Ina for example has streamed almost more over the past month then she has in 2023 - past month due to botw.

>>51190852
An analysis of a longer period will only prove the last point that two member in hiatus are as much damaging to the branch's streaming frequency than an entire JP gen out of commission. EN is horrendously understaffed and literally anyone with half a brain cell can see this, except Cover for some cursed reason.

>>51183589
They have had auditions open for well over a year with no new gen, so whats your point

>>51190432
That's exactly the problem with Hololive numberfagging their audition process, a lot of the talents picked will know fuck all of vtubing or the community, normies who just don't fit in or will do their own thing and fail miserably. Most decent /lig/s will never join Hololive.

>>51196457
is hololive numberfagging auditions? only heard that about niji

>>51199682
see >>51163970
They definitely numberfag auditions, much to their detriment.

>>51180192
Jokes aside if EN has a Kobo or a Gura getting 1 million faster than council things are going to be really funny

>>51180192
I believe in this rat the lastest hologen id3 where only annonced when ollie had 1 million sub.
Sakamata has gotten 1million so that mean the next two are gonna be Gen7 and ID4.
En fans support your idols get Irys,Kronii or Mumei to 1million already they are the closest to the goal.

>>51201016
This is such a backwards strategy. The reason they're not big is both because they don't have the personality or virality of myth, and their subs got pruned by youtube multiple times right after their announcement.

It makes sense that no one wants to join HoloEN. If you've been watching streams, all of EN1 was constantly talking about how exhausted, overworked and just all around dead inside they were because of what Cover does to them. Then in EN2(+IRyS) Cover forced IRyS into getting vocal nodules (the death of a singer) and continued their hyper death speedrun on EN2 in an attempt to break them. While that was happening, the """fans""" were looking for any excuse to kill their """oshi""", just waiting for the slightest misstep so that you can go full-blown anti and try to ruin their career. So yeah, makes sense no one wants to join that toxic environment.

>>51206507
And yet none of the girls have quit, besides Sana. Why? The money. Anyone going into Hololive nowadays does it for the money.

Not the idol dream, not the passion, not the fans, not the models, just the money. I'm not saying giving the talents money is a bad thing, but I'm certain that's what the audition process is going to result in.

>>51207652
>Anyone going into Hololive nowadays does it for the money.
That has been true since the beginning and any vtuber that joins a corpo is doing it for the money. If they were okay with it being a hobby they would have stayed an indie. HoloEN talents don't like the many rules of a Japanese corpo but they stay because it's a job.

>>51211287
Myth was never expected to do well. Council was.
See the difference? Maybe you don't but I do.

>>51159054
>other EN corpos have been getting the pick of the litter
This is a bit of an exaggeration considering Hololive is the only desirable or worthwhile choice for many. Like a fancy restaurant that demands you be on a waiting list, the gourmets will still eat there.
To be fair, if by pick of the litter you mean "devoted idol otaku weeaboos" then maybe that'd be accurate since they're probably want into the industry even if they had to choose second best, but even then some would probably stick to their day job until they're certain.

If JPs don't release a gen 99 days after EN, and IDs don't release a gen 183 days after EN, then the joke is on them.

>>51211696
>Hololive is the only desirable or worthwhile choice for many.
That's correct, because they don't care enough about vtubers or the "culture" to actually invest their time into becoming vtubers. This is a problem, because then you get people like Kronii.

>>51212224
It's Hololive's fault for hiring mediocrity, not Kronii's.

>>51212329
Pre-Kronii, on paper, would have been a refreshing and interesting choice. But instead we got Kronii.

>>51212199
JPs don't really need more people, they can take it slow.

>>51159180
Bullshit with how shitty Holocouncil is. If they sniped the top from Niji, Holo, Idol, Prism, and Tsunderia they'd have a god gen that would be better than Holomyth. Hell, it would probably be better than Holofantasy

>>51212403
EN is just beginning though. JP used to be boring as hell with only 10 members but when they got to 30+ members after a few years they were great. Give it a few years too and EN will be great by the end of the decade. VTubing ain't going anywhere

>>51212523
Mumei, Fauna and Bae are the best gen trio in VTubing wtf

>>51212738
>VTubing ain't going anywhere
The people watching EN vtubers are going somewhere else and have been doing that for over a year now while cover neglected their EN branch for 2 years to chase after the Luxiem dream of 2021.

>>51212997
You seriously numberfagging? Hololive is not losing its spot as the #1 company amongst all three branches. Yagoo has reason not to be content, but you go ahead an hire VTuber Cardi B to pick up the normies in your imagination

>>51213281
Who said anything about picking up normies, the point is that they can't even retain the fans they got, they're bleeding them like crazy especially in the last year, and a big reason is the absolute neglect of EN and misguided management.

>>51211696
For them, pick of the litter means "uwu I dont know males/Im afraid of males uwu". Nothing else matters other than how easy they can put the girl under their thumb.

>>51213554
Holy melodramatic hyperbole. EN's fine. With more gens the nitpicker dramafagging will fade. There is no tragedy to speak of, just /vt/'s subjective dislike for some talent.

>39 days

>>51212846
>mumei
Never talks. Bland as fuck personality. Kinda strange for an entertainer
>fauna
Good talent, but she's no friend of mine.
>bae
Ugly voice, zoomer retardation to the point where it's not even funny. I'd fuck her at a rave but as an entertainer she's garbage.
Holocouncil could easily be surpassed. The only two I'd hire out of the bunch are Fauna and Kronii.

>>51213919
Pick of the litter is simply that, the talents with the best skills, qualities, and talent who are actually invested in becoming a vtuber and recognize the importance of having a fun community.

>>51214180
If you think they need improvement that's fine with me but considering you're already babbling about fucking them, If you're the type to prefer someone like Marine over them then I just can't take you seriously

>>51214011
Viewership has been going down for a year, sub growth has nearly stopped, it's impossible to ignore this. You know who couldn't ignore it? The talents themselves who spoke about the recline, and they didn't sound happy at all.

>>51214619
>The talents themselves who spoke about the recline, and they didn't sound happy at all.
give clips/stamps

>>51214693
Watch streams.

>>51214619
>from ~9k to 5k
That's nearly half, damn.

>>51214619
And what are the consequences of this? 5k is still a CCV to kill for in VTubing. Still PhD money shitting on us normalfags.

>>51214797
No proof? Then you're lying

>>51214883
The decline is going to continue, anon, unless they do something..... like release EN3.

>>51214797
Sure pal, I'll spend the 519 hours of my day to watch every stream today

>>51169236
What's our answer for this sisters?

>>51214619
Man, I can't believe HoloEN lost the Monday Night Wars

>>51214883
The consequences of this, and the neglect of EN in general, is talents burning out and being unmotivated, few collabs because there's not enough people to fill events, no coverage for more timezones, streams reduced to the bone when they're busy preparing for things like the concert and holosummer or when a few of them get sick at the same time. So many problems could be fixed by simply having a few more people, and that would help keep things interesting and not bleed out their viewers.

>>51214461
Wtf? Marine is one of the best vtubers in Hololive. If you stuck her in a deformed ghoul model she'd still be markedly entertaining
And I talk about fucking Bae specifically because that's all rave sluts are good for

>>51215367
And that problem will be fixed soon so...

>>51215520
At this point a new gen is just a patch on a wound that has been festering for a year. The damage of the last year isn't going to be magically fixed unless they get 5 top tier viral talents for EN3. Don't get me wrong, EN3 now would still be FAR better than doing nothing, but it's a year late.

>>51215978
>unless they get 5 top tier viral talents for EN3
That depends on the EN VTubing scene itself, who are the 5 best ENs out there according to this mighty place? Or at least the best ones for CCVfags...

>>51216180
>who are the 5 best ENs out there
Highly subjective and not really important for this argument, it's not like they're gonna steal the top 5 talents from some other company for EN3, they need to find something new and, being optimistic, they'll be lucky to get 1 breakthrough talent out of 5. I mean, they didn't get a single one for Council nor Tempus, the last true viral vtuber Cover got was Kobo but she's not even an EN.

>>51196457
>Most decent /lig/s will never join Hololive
This is pretty much the problem that all vtuber corpos face, and it's often overlooked because people don't pay too much attention to indies. Vtubers who are talented enough to reach 4view or high 3view status themselves without corpo support probably won't want to give up the rights to their IP and put up with retarded management restrictions for the potential boost from a big corpo. This means corpos have to invest in unproven talents who might not have what it takes to be a big streamer people want to watch long-term. Small corpos have it even worse as demonstrated by Pikamee. Even if a small corpo manages to cultivate a popular streamer who reaches 4view status, they can just reincarnate into a model they own and drop a shit ton of hints to their past life so their old audience can them again.

>>51158972
the branch to compare EN to is CN, how long since their last gen? EN will go the same way soon enough

>>51215068
they better hire actual talent for EN3 then. fucks knows they didn't for council.
EN3 will maybe have 10k for a month or so and then recline. let's be honest, there's no more room for actual growth for EN. some viewers will come back to check the new girls out but that's it. maybe some of them will stay for a bit but the majority will just stop watching unless the hires are actually entertaining past the initial hype.

>>51159054
So here's something to think about. Is talent depletion actually a thing for EN corpos? It's not like there are that many of them. I wonder if application quality goes up if Cover deletes every app that checks the applying-for-other-corpos box. Also, I think it's fair to cast doubt on the credentials of anyone who actually tries to join these tiny orgs. How the fuck is signing a restrictive contract with a 2view company preferable to just hustling for a while as an indie? People are gonna cry about this because no one wants to blame themselves, but if you can't hack it on your own there's probably a reason for that.

>>51217941
>they better hire actual talent for EN3
This girl is graduating this month:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8gpldo4RKI
And you know where she's going? Phase (probably).

She's one of the best EN vsingers who actually cares about vtubing and its community, and is a former JP idol who can speak Japanese.
If they're skipping the best, then I ask you, who exactly do you think they're picking?

>>51212738
The problem is that if we compare both timelines JP had 28 members by now when EN still stuck in 10. JP took a while to get it going but that "while" wasn't fucking 2 whole years without new members and by their 3rd anniversary they had in total 32 members while we're going to be lucky if EN has 15. Also Cover's lack of initiative lost them a bunch of talented girls who would work great in HoloEN no matter how much of a tribalfag retard or Yagoo dicksucker you are, and unless they try to aggressively poach them from the small corpos they went they will need to get lucky with the remaining one available who in it's absolutely majority will be people who are completely unproven as content creators or those who on paper sound really great but have an absolute lack of streaming experience and might crash and burn faster than Gura as we've seen with Sana.

>>51214693
>>51214927
>>51215081
NTA but suck my fucking dick, retarded coverdrones https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQpvF2Q4oW0

>>51218190
I'm already re-coping that Chapipi is on IdolEN2, but if Beryl isn't in fucking EN3 I don't know what the fuck is wrong with that faggot brain of Yagoo. The fucker hired fucking Mecha Flygon and thought he was too fucking good to let go away to the point Cover made a whole second gen for him and the clown faggot but he was completely fucking fine letting actually talented and interesting girls go away.

>>51218190
>who exactly do you think they're picking?
Probably 3DPD women who do anime covers, like with Kobo. Which is exactly what they did before with Council. Let's see how that works out for them kek.

>>51163173
What's RM?

>>51217941
>actual talent

you'll get:
>american-korean nepo (feminist).
>steampunk design bilingual bong. cock lover.
>charismatic loli. goes silent within a year after having menhera breakdown on PL social media
>music focused american. music pulls bad #, chuba just kinda slowly dips
>finally an okay aussie. does not culturally identify as aussie. stable but boring

they'll play:

>a game related to their gimmick. one time perm
>minecraft spam for three months and then never again
>GOI
>chillas art
>hitman
>the bong gets vicky 3 perms somehow and plays three times. CCV is in the shitter as both /vst/tards and normalfags hate it

>>51218590
Nowhere in that clip did she talk about numbers you disingenuous faggot, only how things have slowed down, which they did, they slowed down the en girls releases.

>>51219571
I'm screencapping this.

>>51218054
Your argument would only make sense if Cover wasn't taking an insane amount of time to debut a new gen. If we had a frequency of around 1 gen per year then yes, it would put a question on those signing up to other agencies, but Council's debut was 22 month's ago and after 18 months of open auditions we haven't seen a single new Hololive debut while we got 8 homos who nobody fucking asked for, so a lot of these girls are probably giving up having to wait for so fucking long when the company is apparently more interested in trying to get their own Vox. And before you bring up some of the JP talents who kept trying until they got accepted Nene debuted 9 months after Gen 4 and Holox debuted after 2 (3 if you count IRyS) Hololive debuts and by then HoloJP was already slowing down since they had 31 members at that time, so it's absolutely not comparable to HoloEN only having 10 and obvious showing signs of being grossly understaffed but for some goforsaken reason Cover just doesn't fucking debut more girls. And now that I'm thinking about it if they kept with the rhythm they "had" with Council we would've gotten a EN3 in July of last year and we would be waiting for an EN4 for this month.

>>51219571
>minecraft spam for three months and then never again
And when they come back to it months later they do their hardest to never play the game when their genmates/branchmates are on the server.

>>51219605
She literally said that not having a new gen is dragging them down. Yeah, it's not explicitly about numbers but she and likely other EN members believe the branch is being left to rot with how fucking long it's taking for them to get actual kouhai and not 8 faggots nobody fucking asked for.

>>51220181
You started the argument with recline in numbers stating that the girls complained about it, which was not true and now you are shifting the goalposts. Don't get me wrong I also think they're being left to rot, but use proper representation of the facts instead of being a faggot.

>>51158972
This is depressing to see

>>51158972
>Holofags are desperate for Gen3
>Even though Gen 2 were the ones that gave them the first Graduation, Nijisanji collab, Male collab, and scolding of the chat
I foresee 3rdGen doing multiple Niji/Corpo collabs (think HoloID/NijiEXID), male collabing, and a termination

>>51217941
I'd like for either Luto or Kana to be the next "Gura" slot, Annyfox, Leaflit, Nemu, and Zaion, but i know Zaion would get fired in less than a month, thus fulfilling the prophecy of each gen being worse

>>51220743
I literally said I wasn't that anon, and Kiara using the word "dragging" is really specific. I do agree that she likely wasn't talking about raw numbers like you would see in /#/ but she knows that the branch isn't growing, she knows the girls are starting or are already burned out and she knows that the 10 of them aren't enough to do half of the stuff they want to do, and being a pedantic faggot won't fucking help an EN3 debut faster.

>>51221101
>first graduation
True
>nijisanji collab
It wasn't the first and Kiara was pushing for them since Lazulight debuted. If anything you should blame the homos for opening the gloodgates
>male collab
Mori was the first in March of 2021
>scolding the chat
I severely doubt Council was the first to do it, and there are other JP members who did the same in the past so it isn't something unique to HoloEN.

So 3 for 4 wrong. Why are you making up bullshit to convince people that a third gen is a bad idea? Are you that scared that an EN3 will finally make your small corpo/homo/nijifag irrelevant?

>>51221693
Then maybe read what things are replying to before trying to prove someone wrong and failing. Faggot.

>>51221784
Cool, and I hope Cover keep dragging EN down when they have faggots like you as fans.

>>51219571
I don't get the menhera breakdown part, I'm a tourist though, so could someone explain?

>>51214180
but kronii is also a never talker. she's only good because pic related.

>>51212846
Faumei is all I need. SNO would be nice if gura ever comes back

>>51219571
I thought Nepo was Russian. I can't believe he'd turn to becoming a babiniku after losing the world championship twice.

>>51218190
>who exactly do you think they're picking
Noibody, auditions have been open for a long time, they didnt just open recently, they just reposted it. They havent hired anyone, they arent hiring anyone. All the people who could have potentially joined ended up joining Idol/Phase

>>51221672
>zaion
not in a million years. bitch was fired from niji which is like a ghetto compared to hololive.

>>51222598
go back

>>51158972
easily

Hot take that shouldnt be:

Caring for the vtubing scene does not involve pandering to those black souls proclaiming themselves a certain white creature.

>>51228141
The hell you're talking about?

>>51228141
based actual schizo

>>51158972
yup

>>51229273
Come on, that last bit should have been obvious.

>>51232180
Why are you bringing up unicorns in a thread complaining about the retarded waiting time for a third EN gen? Sorry anon but the majority of people do not care about your homos, regardless if they hate them or not.

>>51232873
Someone mentioned the things I said, which people here have a very twisted view on. So there.

As for the other point, it's because of you and your ilk souring things for everyone with your incessant reeeeing about "male flirting with my oshi" which in reality is just banter.

>>51234447
If your homos were interesting people would watch them, but they even failed to get a female audience. Also the majority of the Hololive fanbase couldn't give less of a fuck about male collabs, they just don't watch them and won't check out your failures because they aren't interested in them. Regardless of that your point makes no sense on a thread about people who just want Cover to fucking debut new girls, unless you think they don't need to because they already tried to shove 8 faggots down the throats of people who just don't want to watch them.

>>51235125
Congrats about proving my point about you people.

But make no mistake, EN3 needs to come quick. And I will enjoy it if they wont bend the knee to you. Unlike what you do, we dont attack them for their choices, for we know what's up.

>>51236222
>we dont attack them for their choices
LMAO. You niggers can't even fucking accept Kiara or IRyS or Kanata not wanting to collab with your homos. Give me a fucking break and stop believing you're above anyone, it's stupidly pathetic.

>>51236374
You first with your whole "we spacha, therefore we own you" mindset.

>>51237563
Projection much?

>>51237579
Dont need to when we witness it live.

>>51238498
Yeah, let's forget all the people who can't stop bringing the homos out of nowhere. Hell, if you look at the clip of Kiara talking about wanting a new gen here >>51218590 you'll see them in real time, not to mention the comments of the clip itself trying to bring up the homos as her kouhai.

>>51238601
And they are. Same company, same CEO, therefore, kouhai. And try not to memoryhole the time Kiara btfo'd one of your kind asking to do what your "good girls" do and treat Tempus as if it summons the demon or something.

>>51239036
(Me)
Oh wait, the mere mention does summon demons... (you)!

>>51239036
Same company, different branches. This isn't nijisanji as much as you want it to be, oboretai. Also I couldn't give less of a fuck about what Kiara thinks about the homos she was clear about her disinterest in collabing with them multiple times already but your kind is unable to accept this.

>>51239300
StarsEN and HoloEN are effectively one branch even if they present themselves as two separate entities to the public
They operate different from StarsJP and HoloJP

>>51239508
>this retarded cope again
Different name, different branch. Say that when they start playing games like MC on the same server, otherwise they're exactly like JP outside of the fact that Cover (or more likely the vtweeter faggot) tried really hard to sell the idea of HoloProEN unity but failed miserably.

>>51239810
>HoloProEN unity but failed miserably.
The merge will be announced after the Connect concert
EN3 will be a mixed third gen for both Tempus and EN
Cope and sneed

>>51239900
Oh, it's a schizo.

>>51239976
Omega WON

>>51240101
Since when getting fired is winning?

>>51240101
The only thing he won was at best a demotion and at worst (for him) a full defenestration.

>>51243774
>>51243776
He was promoted to talent

>>51245020
I'm sure he was.