/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>50878677
Timestamp doesn't work gossipsister

HAHAHAHA
FUCK YOU VOX! FALL OFF YOUR HORSE!

>>50878677
I mean, is he wrong? What's the appeal of vtubers?

9:00
>I personally feel as though vtubing especially, is a very, sort of, there are really strong traditions within this creative spaces. [...] even though our obsession with tradition has enabled us to create a really strong community and family [...] what i worry about is that by following such strong traditions is that we lose the urge to innovate or make really scary changes.
11:00
>What I've recently been feeling is that my formula is really... not only do i feel like people are sort of organically losing interest, which is completely normal, and I shouldn't be sort of dooming about it but... I need to think of something new to do. And I need to change something in a way that's honest to myself.

rambles about some spider capeshit for 5 years

16:20
>recently I've been having a lot of nights where I wind up feeling very depressed and I'll walk out onto my balkony with a beer and wonder "will I ever be that happy again?". And I know that I won't unless I change something.

17:30
>It's difficult to pulls myself from this because it has worked so well in the past and still is working quite well. The thing is, I can't stop because this is my job

20:00
>I think I feel burnt out not with streaming as a whole, but with the never-ending race to release content.
21:00
>Let's think about this stream today, it's not necessarily clickbait, but I thought about just typing "Zatsudan: hey guys I'm back"
>Let's be honest, no one would... There wouldn't 5.5k people here, there might be 3k. A big part of content creation is sacrificing your common sense to reach a higher level of success.


36:30
>let me hit you guys with a really scary fact: I don't watch vtubers. For me as a normie, sometimes I don't really get the appeal of Vtubing. It's a niche interest but the issue is that the niche is shrinking.

Most vtubers are completely unentertaining talentless hacks who are coasting by entirely on the fact that they're an egirl with a cookie cutter anime avatar. Vox is right to skip all that if he wants to be genuinely entertaining. He should try to imitate streaming legends like Asmongold or Sodapoppin instead of vtubers.

>>50879029
then just skip to 36:30

>>50879197
live2d talking heads were a mistake

>>50879137
NIJISISTERS?! OUR RESPONSE?!

>>50879137
nigga should graduate and start fresh as a fleshtuber so he can really understand how much his model has carried him

>>50879197
this, especially when it comes to males
There are very few consistently funny vtubers
Vox is "annoying" and crass but he at least has something to talk about all the time. Branching out is good. It's like how Kojima is able to make such entertaining stories in video games because he watched loads of western movies - Game writers who stick solely to other video games as their source of inspiration are probably not going to make something very good, and vtubers are even less interesting than that.
Vox wants numbers but at least he didn't basically fucking quit like Shu playing valorant twice a week as his content

Why did he apply to NIJISANJIEN?

>>50879124
>is he wrong? What's the appeal of vtubers?
Having someone charismatic and usually way out of your league spend time with you either as a friend or more depending on the chuuba's style.

>>50879467
Dude is basically the male equivalent of what happened with Gura except he got a fickle fanbase of women who don't understand anything he's saying instead of an extremely loyal male one

>>50879137
All this dude needs to solve his problems is 3D.

>>50879567
Burnout happens.

>>50878677
Actually obsessed holy shit

>>50879592
Basically

>>50879643
That doesn't account for him saying he doesn't watch vtubers or understand the appeal of them. Why not just become a fleshstreamer?

>>50878677
Nijisanji will start doing face reveals, and they will transition into a mixed flesh and vtuber streamer company within the next 3 years. I'm calling it now. Show off this screencap when I'm right.

>>50879197
Basically. Hate to say it but Ina is pretty much carried solely by having a good model literally built for tentacle porn.

>>50878677

>I don't watch vtubers, I'm a normie, I don't get the appeal.
those are the people inside nijiEN lol, lmao even. 0 passion, 0 will, 0 strive. it's sad, that's what you get for focusing on the numbers of rm accounts

>>50879137
>>What I've recently been feeling is that my formula is really... not only do i feel like people are sort of organically losing interest, which is completely normal, and I shouldn't be sort of dooming about it but... I need to think of something new to do. And I need to change something in a way that's honest to myself.
Not a fan of the guy at all or his content but that's completely normal with pretty much every kind of creative output after an initial period of relative success. It's a hard thing to overcome, a lot of people don't handle it well, and there's no one-size-fits-all solution - everyone kind of has to handle it their own way, which is a shame because it's also such a pivotal moment in one's career. In saying that, I think the worst thing he could do is listen to you retards.

>>50879592
That is not what happened at all whatsoever
Vox is a walking yab machine that shat on his fanbase to stick with Reimu

The worst "yab" Gura had is not knowing what 23 x 55 is

>>50879242
Is Asmongolds face somuch more entertaining when he talks? I watch Nui not because of her bigtits avatar but because she is a storyfag and absolutely loves jrpgs.

>>50879805
>tentacle porn
bro there hasn't been popular adaptations or depictions of tentacle porn since 2009. Literally there's like 3 people who draw that stuff or is willing to animate tentacles over just drawing a penis with a velcro strip on it.

>>50879137
I remember someone on a previous thread saying he was fine with the decline now that he was doing his own thing, but I guess once a numberfag, always a numberfag

>>50880019
I know that but still her model is sex, she herself is kinda bland as a streamer. Literally if she wasn't in myth and was like en3, she'd probably be under Kiara in terms of popularity.

>>50879884
The issue is that he's just whining about his declining numbers at heart.
He has no solutions and admits he has no solutions.
He claims he doesn't want to use "clickbait tactics" to increase his numbers while doing exactly that.
He makes a song and dance about how innovation is needed while having zero fucking ideas.

the thing is that if he wants to do anything super creative at all he's extremely limited by the format itself
You basically can't move
You have to worry about doxing yourself all the fucking time with reflections in knives or pictures of your pasta salad
You're in a corporation that hasn't even been able to secure perms for Rosemi to play Tekken after two years
You need a schedule, you need a fanbase that will actually watch your passion projects, you need to be incredibly conscious of what you're saying at all times because Anycolor IS keeping tabs on any minor infractions you make
This is a guy who bought an expensive specialized video camera with his Luxiem money, he wants to actually do shit and being a corpo vtuber constrains what you can do to an insane degree

>>50880283
He's a vtuber in Nijisanji and most of his audience isn't even fluent in English, there's really not much to do

>>50880483
>You're in a corporation that hasn't even been able to secure perms for Rosemi to play Tekken after two years
to be fair, harada is pretty explicit

>>50879586
>usually way out of your league
Is this how chuubas view themselves? Man, the Romans really were right in treating actors like the whores they are. Giving entertainers any dignity goes to their heads insanely fast.

>>50880283
He's also retarded cuz CCV really doesn't matter when you can make 11k+ per month

>>50880540
he should stream on Twitch and his "I'll come in your mouth [RP]" will get a lot more western viewers.

>>50879137
>we lose the urge to innovate or make really scary changes.
Inb4 he wants to do react content and spread political takes.

>>50880046
being okay with the numbers is not the same as ignoring why people is leaving
box coomer clearly wants to do new shit and the only medium in the constraints of being a blackcolor liver is 3D
which only 3 out of 31 talents in nijiEN got

>>50880927
Cool story mindreade. Having a 3d model wouldn't change anything

>>50879124

The appeal of vtubers in the west has always been giving fat chicks a chance to excel as streamers
for dudes it's a different beast but for women 99% of your success is your appearance so now fat fleshies can make it with an attractive vtuber model

>>50880737
Cut the 99% nijisanji share

>>50879918
Honestly Gura's worse sin is her ghosting which explains why so many still stick around with her, Vox is just another nijiEN retard that takes their audience for granted and doesn't expect them to have their own opinions

>>50881004
I thought it would but it really wouldn't
He'd have to rent a studio for most of it and be limited by Anycolor's technology on what he could actually display
for home3d he could.. move his hands and play dancing games? That's it, even for Hololive

>>50881078
You're so funny anon.

>>50880737
numberniggers are known to be mentally retarded

Vox is a numberfaggot, kekw
Just do your research by looking at your peers and get new ideas nigger

>>50882294
True, can't argue that

>>50879137
>tldr
>uhh i want lot of viewers but for bare minimum of effort so uh.. Suck it up. I'm collabing with my girlfriend reimu.

>>50879137
>I don't watch vtubers. For me as a normie, sometimes I don't really get the appeal of Vtubing.
Why is he a vtuber

>>50882981
money

>>50882981
why do you think roasties join vtubing? money from simps.

>>50879743
He was interested in playing a character and having his own lore and story and shit

>>50883682
minecraft youtubers do the same shit

>>50878677
Isn't that exactly what y'all wanted though? People who think this is all cringe and just to make a quick buck? And then pretend as if you care anonymously? It's on brand considering the lot of you fags are ironic in nature and everything is just a troll or a shitpost and no need to take it so seriously.

>>50879124
Wonderful question. May as well just forget about this board while you're at it.

>>50883819
>y'all
no you fucking retard
you're describing twitter tourists like you who come to this place to shit it up because they have to be polite "on main"
people who are actually active contributors to this board love and care about vtubing

Does he even study what nijijp top males do? Or are his fellow livers too weeb for him to learn from

>>50884160
Vox never wanted to be a vtuber, he wants to be a voice actor.

>>50883682
But how could he be interested in that if he doesn't see the appeal of it?

Seems like he's just confirming everyone's true opinions here. Many of you don't even like VTubers.

>>50880483
>You're in a corporation that hasn't even been able to secure perms for Rosemi to play Tekken after two years
I thought they had those perms since King played it recently

>>50884100
Read the room dude
>>50879124
>>50881040
>>50879197
>>50879242
>>50879500
>>50879805
>>50880019
>>50880273

>>50879137
>let me hit you guys with a really scary fact: I don't watch vtubers. For me as a normie, sometimes I don't really get the appeal of Vtubing. It's a niche interest but the issue is that the niche is shrinking.
Why in the ACTUAL FUCK is he a vtuber then other than to cash in and milk it?
I knew the guy was a normie from his gaming choice alone but at least pretend you're a fan. He's literally a leech.

NijiEN are devote antitubers. They hate everything about vtubing and make constant effort to "own" their own fans.

>>50884242
Then he should graduate

>>50884961
He never said he's not doing it to cash in and milk.
It would be a bit ridiculous to deny that considering he's a literal e-whore.

i thought nijinigger hate numberfag?

>>50885161
Then he should fuck off. His kind is an actual cancer to any fandom.
Melody literally admits she's the same thing but she's been doing this for a while and actually gives a fuck about vtubing.
He literally admitted he's just doing this for the money.

>>50885302
no he didn't

>>50880737
That's silly, anon. It's like saying that as long as you make enough money, nothing else matters.
It's just basic Maslow's hierarchy of needs. Sure, money is important when you don't have enough. However, pass a certain level income, there are several things more important that money might or might not reflect well. A lot of upper-middle or higher class people care more about things like recognition or status than money, for example.
CCV and VOD views reflect one thing: how big your fanbase is. How many people you are entertaining. How well you are doing your job as an entertainer. I dare say plenty of big VTubers care more about that than their direct monthly income, as long as they don't have to worry about living expenses. Even more so when they have access to the post-processed CCV so "culled CCV" isn't an excuse either.
All in all, I don't care about male VTubers, but it's just understandable that Vox isn't happy when his numbers go down (which indicated that he is getting progressively less popular compared to his peak).

>>50879124
>homo apologist admits he hates vtubers
Must be a day ending in "y"

>>50878677
>always over 30k/20k sc every month since he debuted, even during the month he took a break
>tweets always get over 10k likes
>over 2.5mi views every month on vods/etc
>goods are always insta sold out
>meet and greet are always insta sold out
>sub growth is slower, but it's not that bad compared to other people in the 1mi range
Holy mother of imposter syndrome. The demand is clearly still there, the odds of youtube just fucking up are higher than any chinks dropping him.

>>50885330
>Not a fan of vtubers
>Doesn't watch them
>Doesn't get the appeal
>Literally admits he's a "manwhore" in his own words multiple times in the past
>Constantly obsessing over his own numbers rather than just enjoying the hobby
>"no he didn't"

>>50885924
Maybe he's depressed because nijisanji gets most of the cut. And he wants to go indie... but he's worried that if he leaves to make it out on his own, he won't get the same #s he is getting now.

>>50878677
VOX is anime bargain bin conur it's funny how similar this faggots are

>>50886067
So true sister, he is really poor, that means you should donate more.

>>50878677
He should watch successful vtubers and study them.

>>50881601
I mean his audience is mostly chinese you don't want them to think too much about stuff

>>50885924
>The demand is clearly still there, the odds of youtube just fucking up are higher than any chinks dropping him.
Now this is coping, anon. His CCV and VOD Views per VOD have dropped considerably compared to his peak. Like him or hate him, the guy himself probably knows how his channel is doing best since he has access to way more metrics than >we do

>>50885924
Vox is pippa level this days

>>50885961
GIVE MY WIFE ROSEMI PERMISSIONS TO PLAY TEKKEN HACKRADA

>>50886322
>ccv
Why does that even matter? This motherfucker made 40k on sc and god knows how much on streamlab donos last month. No, I don't care if the evil black company takes most of it, the fact is that there are still people donating him this much.

>>50885287
>they hate numberfags
>the most popular nijien is a self admitted numberfag
it's so over

>>50885961
Based based based

>>50886607
See >>50885764
The same reason why Pekora cared more about CCV and tried to farm watch hours to be higher in SH's "Top 10 Female Streamers" list (and was pretty happy when she got in) even though her merch sold for million dollars a big wave

>>50880483
haachama (rip) did a lot of cool irl stuff. even the holostars did.
pomu and scarle do irl things.
it can be done without completely breaking character.

>>50886749
>i need this number that is often wrong because of incompentet pajeets devs to be bigger than the number that directly correlates to my earnings
man, numberfags really are retarded. even the vtubers.

>>50885924
It's not imposter syndrome if he's actually a grifter. Then he simply is the imposter who doesn't deserve his own success(as a vtuber) and he knows it.

>>50879197
>proceeds to do blowjob ASMR while his chat spams about being impregnated

>>50879500
I wish Kojima stories took more after western ones rather than being injected by heavy amounts of weeb trash.

>>50884961
Most people do work to get money, not that they particularly care about it.

>>50879137
This guy is insufferable

>>50887014
Well, first of all, you are aware that streamers can see post-processed CCVs (takes a day to three, though), which is different from live CCV we see, right? The CCVs they see are generally way more accurate than what others see. Those metrics ultimately matter, or advertisers, sponsors and stakeholders wouldn't GAF about them.
Moreover, earning is just that - earning. It reflects how well you earn, sure, but not your popularity per se. Is a chuuba with 10 devoted fans willing to fork $1,000 a month each more popular than another chuuba with 10,000 viewers who don't pay a cent? Obviously not.
Vox isn't starving. Chances are he has way more money than he needs to take care of himself (and possibly his family as well). Is it so wrong that he started looking at other aspects? I'm pretty sure he was pretty proud when he was called the most popular EN male VTuber back during his peak.

this is why i love nijisanji. they're down to earth and they keep it real. hololive just feels like a bunch of fake characters.

>>50879137
>let me hit you guys with a really scary fact: I don't watch vtubers.
Kek. It's not impostor syndrome. He IS the impostor.

>>50887519
i dont get it, why not just do something you find more fulfilling if money is no matter anymore?
and he absolutely still could be most popular EN male vtuber. not like the competition is fierce. you have... vesper? and other luxiems.

>>50879197
Vtubing in the west is just fucked. It became tainted by women that mainly used it to be an e-girl but with an anime avatar. The hot ones are even teasing their real faces/bodies on stream for coomers while the fat ones don’t. It’s why male vtubers will never be popular for the male demographic like in Japan. Like in NijiJP a sizeable portion of the male viewerbase are males too, this will never be the case as people outside of Japan thinks Vtubers=just cute degenerate 2d girls while in Japan they’re no different from a flesh streamer

>>50879137
this thread might've had some interesting discussion about the current state of vtubing and the life of content creators but this board is too mindbroken by nijisanji's mere existence to admit Vox is right and vtubing on the whole is on a decline.

>>50888016
Such as?
I meant, changing job or changing content direction is probably difficult. He can only afford not to care about money as long as he has enough money. Can't just do anything that would damage his income considerably.
The same thing applies to sticking with VTubing and just changing content direction. Doing something different, and he might lose fans - judging by what he said according to >>50879137 (I don't what his streams), clearly the guy enjoyed attentions from viewers, as much as he can afford.

>>50888758
They are blame for this. This man spent a full year pandering to eastern women and the moment they leave he says
>the west scene is at fault
The traditions he complains so much about are what made vtubing different but he probably just meant
>Cant do react content or have to wait permissions

>>50888758
>vtubing on the whole is on a decline.
EN VTubing *
Both Niji and HoloJP chuubas have been doing pretty well and either stabilized (the former) or inclined (the latter)

>>50888758
Because it's not, Vox is just off his meds and a delusional clipfag and unable to see past EN.

>>50888987
Japan is more acepting if anime but it doesnt help that a bunch of normies are coming here just for clout like vox. This is what is killing the scene. Is no longer weebs doing vtubing

>>50879884
bet then you have people like pekora or miko where people just keep coming, and they just keep growing. No one seems to get tired of them, but possibly its because they're willing to try new things and reinvent themselves. I can tell you miko baby wasn't a thing 2-3 years ago, and Miko's fans are probably her biggest source of continued content in games like GTA, WWE, Soul Caliber, and anything else. There's only so much variety you can have in games, but fan creations can have infinite variety and iterations in different games, so things can stay fresh.

>>50888987
nijiJP is reclining

>>50880046

>>50888987
nijiJP's new blood isn't doing so hot.

>>50889560
Its fucking baffling that Salome did so well and still has her fanbase, and yet Anycolor didn't seem to take away from that at all.

>>50878677
What are the odds that staff are bothering NijiEN about their numbers again leading to everyone having their own menhera moments (Pomu last week, Reimu sick, etc)

>>50885764
Except they really don't reflect that. Quite frankly when your merch sells out 2x faster than anyone else's and you make 10x the money even other corpo vtubers it's not really like your CCV is indicative of anything. If my oshi is streaming something that I don't care about in not gonna tune in but that doesn't mean that they aren't my oshi. I'd say that's not uncommon either especially with NijiEn being big as and built around the idea of tuning into the streams you want and tuning out of the ones you don't.
If you have a fanbase that showers you in money and support and you're still actively growing in terms of things like subscriber count, ccv is useless.

>>50889886
100%. They did it to Yugo, there's no way they wouldn't pressure any of the other talents at this point. Moreso because Anycolor is publicly traded, so declines means they'll have to explain shit to their shareholders.

>>50888758
because he's partially responsible for the decline. he joined in something he doesn't understand the culture of.
that's why jp chuubas are still inclining, while elsewhere it's only satirized and therefore seen as more disposable/trendy

>>50887519
Advertisers sponsors and stakeholders really don't care about CCV. Even 3 views in NijiEn get frequent sponsorships, advertisers are not chosen by the person who runs the channel but rather randomly selected on any applicable YouTube video and stakeholders are more interested in the profits a person will bring.
Vox makes a lot of profit

>>50888877
why are you asking me, that's a question vox should ask himself. what else he wants out of his short life on earth

>>50879137
>the niche is shrinking
The sisters aren't watching you because you cucked them repeatedly kek. Why the fuck are vtubers always in denial.
>I'm a normalfag
Oh that's why.

>>50880019
>2009 was 40 years ago
Where did the world go so wrong.

He's realised that by the time he gets to stream in the 3d studio messing around having fun with his friends, he'll be too fed up to enjoy it

>>50890348
Do you actually believe any of those people are his friends?

>>50890210
Yeah it's hilarious how he tries to pretend that his numbers have anything to do with "creativity" or whatever the fuck.

>>50889886
Pomu...
>>50890435
Mysta...

>>50890435
not really, I just didn't want to call them genmates because he only likes the girls who aren't in his gen

>>50890210
Eh he's not wrong about that. You can say stuff about the sisters but corpo numbers are mediocre across the board this year. There's literally only one member of HoloEN who can break 5 digits anymore and she refuses to stream.
3/5ths of myth struggle to break 5k on non Minecraft/karaoke/3d streams
Even people like Kronii and Fauna have been experiencing more and more streams below the averages they usually get.

>>50890664
I think part of it is because people are fed up with the bullshit that is Japanese permissions. The wait to see their chuuba play a game is probably more interesting than the pay off of finally seeing them play it because it takes too damn long. As a result it results in a lot of stale content, compounded by the fact that there's so many normalfag nijis mostly playing and doing the same thing with little deviation.
Save for the few odd moments like a talent like Rosemi singing metal songs like Down with the Sickness during karaoke.

>>50889507
I wouldn't compare the male Japanese otaku market to many other ones. Touhou is still popular as fuck, and FGO has been king of the gacha market forever. They don't just naturally lose interest like every other market, in fact, they seem to dig in even harder the older something is.

>>50890945
>Japanese permissions
NTA, but I’d say that’s a good portion of chagrins, except that it triply affects NijiEN because of the audience they cultivated. Twitchfags at-large don’t accept “permissions rumao” as an excuse; if you aren’t going to stream it on the day of a game’s release, it’s too long to wait for them. I’m not saying they won’t watch eventually, but it still leads to frustration.

Is Vox okay?

>>50891991
Vox is the Top Dog. Of course he's okay.

>>50892076
I mean mentally. Even if one is successful it doesn't make him immune from shitty thoughts

>>50892076
>top dog
lel

>>50884281
Everyone wants to think they are the special one that will do something revolutionary on a field
>Vox "revolution" was RP ASMR everyweek till he burned out all his ideas

allowing non-weebs to get big is the downfall of western vtubing
seriously, think about all the absolute worst vtubers, none of them watch anime or have ever expressed interest in Japanese video games
meanwhile, every good vtuber loves anime and weebshit vidya

>>50889639
is he buying 2200~2400 bots for some streams? wtf
he literally has some streams that goes exactly to the 2700~2800ccv range
while other streams even for the same game only get 300~500

>>50887814
cope harder, numbers don't lie.

>>50892857
Agree,the lack of any knowledge about anime/games or other v-tubers is a huge red flag. They are basically saying, "I'm too ugly IRL and I want to just make money of this vtubing thing"

>>50888758
youre sadly right

>>50890127
lol sponsors arent stupid, they pay proportionally to how many views you get for their content

>>50892186
presumably someone or multiple people in his family were probably involved in an accident or something similar and hes dealing with that aftermath

This guy is a prime example of souless numberfag

>>50892857
Yeah, vtubing and anime go hand in hand. It's ridiculous that these sorts of people apply and then complain after

>>50888758
>Vtubing on the whole is on a decline
Nobody wants to say it was because of CN that Vtubing declined. Nijisanji trying to pick up EN at the same time as CN was sus as fuck and made people lose faith in the EN influencers who collabed with Niji.
>CN bullshit->Divided community->Decline of Vtubing
The "JP is doing great" sounds like cope from newfags, because they were doing even better before the CN split, like participating in huge Vtuber/anime events with fancy IRL guys in suits as the MCs and huge normie JP audiences. It was big street cred. You should ask Polka how she feels about losing all that. Damn China.

Isn't this 4th time this nigger going mental over number

Im glad I only watch Petra, Rosemi, Elira, Maria, Kotoka, Ren and Doppio. None of them talk about internal shit and just stream their content. not like we cant do shit about them, so just put up with those feelings and talk with your fellow livers

>>50898219
>Doppio
otherwise solid choices

>>50888174
the fact that normies first contact with vtubing in the west was melody and chaturbate doomed the image of the whole enterprise to "e-girl shit" from the start

Now that Vox is giving up on the chinksisters and is becoming a brotuber, could it be HIS time?

>>50900418
ruthless businessman

>>50885764
>Hates Vtuber discreetly
>worried about his numbers.
Mental institution is the answer

>>50900418
Based dildo man.

He should unironically graduate as a vtuber and be a fleshtuber instead I don't like sharing this board with literal trannies

>>50890127
This isn't accurate.
Sponsors definitely care about several metrics in YT analytics page. Most importantly, engagement rate, CTR / impression, viewership retention, and to lesser extents, VOD Views and CCV. These metrics are displayed on YT analytics page, and you can only get those from YT
If those aren't reliable, no sponsor would want to work with YT streamers because they wouldn't have any detailed way to evaluate the sponsored's performance. Heck, one of the reason why YT put up so many viewer filters (or as /vt/ put it, "cull") was because they wanted to sell their numbers as valuable & accurate

>>50900418
He shows how low effort it really is if you don't have delusions of grandeur about why the audience is there.

>>50887014
Yes, you the holy viewer know more than the streamer that has access to unfiltered analytics and the money to consult marketing experts. My god listen to yourselves talk

>>50879137
He is actually so fucking pathetic. I'm so fucking mad NijiEN hired this bastard who just admitted he joined because of it being a silly fad

Fuck you people work goddamn hard on this shit and are passionate about it and you're sitting here going "ummm actually vtubers are dying, and they've always been a silly little interest for weirdos"

>>50890945
No, the reason why they’re declining is because people of multiple reasons. COVID is over, college students that watched them have graduated and maybe even grown out of them, novelty wearing off so people seek the next big thing. There’s plenty of reasons. Holo itself not taking any big risks which is partly the permissions nonsense to blame but also the company itself for not actually doing any cool events like the JP side. It’s like all of Holo EN just gave up except for a few like Bae and Kiara who work hard

>>50880483
You are so fucking stupid. There is nothing limiting about being a vtuber, in fact there's MORE room for creativity than facecam thanks to the customization of a vtuber model and lore shit

Copy Iinchou if you want to do 2deep4you horror shit
Copy Haachama if you want to do weird vtuber shit
Copy a fleshtuber thing if you just want to do that because that's all your white British ass knows what to do. Vox claims to be "creative and want to do creative things" but if he can't figure it out then he's not fucking creative at all, or he hates this very medium and doesn't want to experiment with something he sees as a silly fad

>>50903091
>managers know more than the obsessive fans
this is why you numbernigger sellouts will never have a core fanbase. Vtubers who play meta will always be a fad who'd fade away once the meta changes

Notice how all the "instant success" Vtubers get burned out while the unrecognized lower popularity Vtubers work their asses off for multiple months or even years without complaining at all.
This only reveals that humans can not appreciate the success that they have if it becomes normalized for them.

>>50901201
He should. I'm begging for it at this point, Mysta too

In the JP side vtubing is a niche of anime so they can do events like going on TV and even having billboards and their faces plastered on buses to promote them. In EN there’s no culture like that, no animal capital or even just place to gather (besides LA every once in a while). Niji and Holo need something much more concrete to actually be worth taking seriously (anime, games, etc.) because the novelty will fade eventually like all the other YouTubers that faded to irrelevancy 10 years ago. It’s time for these chuubas to do some critical thinking about what type of content creator they want to be, their vision, and if they even want to be streamers. Although Niji EN is dead in the water because of incompetent PR and management, Holo EN is still somewhat salvageable.

>>50903753
>while the unrecognized lower popularity Vtubers work their asses off for multiple months or even years without complaining at all
What utter nonsense. Name three.

>>50903504
idk how you read that entire sentence and pulled “manager” out of your ass because I didn’t mention them anywhere

>>50903847
I can easily name 10 and they’re all in /lig/ but you don’t deserve to know any of them because you don’t watch indies dumb bronie

>>50903934
you post like a backseat manager

>>50903753
Myth and Luxiem got mindbroken by unexpected success

>>50900418
The comments are dunking on him with a are you here to collect rent money only type of vibe which is one of the factors for holo's taiwan yab.

>>50904002
Classic. Absolute fucking classic. Blow it out your ass, retard. Stop making retarded statements that you can't back up.

>>50903806
The only big anime culture outside of JP was CN. Expecting EN to make good anime content is like asking people to grow wings.

>>50904060
I'll take your word for it, I cant understand chinese for shit. But if thats the case then it really feels like the chinese are a volatile audience that should've never been pandered to.

>>50904070
I’m not the anon you replied to initially. I’m just calling you retarded because you can easily answer that question if you actually browsed /lig/ for more than a week. Can you even name any vtuber that isn’t part of a corpo? I doubt any of you actually care about vtubers beyond Niji and Hololive

>>50904070
That wasn't me btw. Here are three Vtubers who work better than the big corpos.
結乃りぼん
なつめえりちゃんねる
四ノ宮しの
I can name 20 more but you probably understand already.

>>50904002
>>50904216
Nobody cares about /lig/

So what was the thing Hana said last week? Did she doomspiral too?

>let me hit you guys with a really scary fact: I don't watch vtubers. For me as a normie, sometimes I don't really get the appeal of Vtubing. It's a niche interest but the issue is that the niche is shrinking.

That's really sad. Some vtubers have true passion ,love, and respect for this medium and this chucklefuck is willingly stringing his fanbase along for a paycheck.

>>50904216
If they're making more than enough money, and often chuubas that maintain 500-1500 CCV do, and have a community they're happy with and get to do what they want, why the fuck would they be complaining? Because they are "lower popularity?" Because they are "unrecognized?" What a fucking stupid statement. Do you know anything about vtubers beyond Niji and Hololive to think they even give a shit about their popularity or recognition?

I think the worst thing is Vox bringing the other fuckin Luxiem members into his menhera small-penis spiral. Will it kill anyone in this branch to be professional?

This guy is such an ungrateful cunt. Trend chaser that gets rich and still complains. Doesn't even understand what vtubers are even after being one for this long and doesn't even make an effort to know more about the subject. Anyone that refers to themselves as "top dog" publicly can fuck off and graduate already. NijiEN needs to reign in these retards hard because they're doing nothing but souring the brand's image.

>>50904672
This kind of attitude Vox has is also surely poisoning everyone else's mindset too. He's probably been venting already in the ~rant~ channel and it's gotten the other members annoyed

>>50904602
Anonchama none of the named Vtubers have more than 500 CCV. You are embarrassing yourself, please stop

>>50904602
i didn’t say any of them are complaining. I don’t know how you pulled that out but you’re definitely off your meds

>>50904949
>specifically mentions /lig/
>nobody was even named
Are you hallucinating? Are you brain damaged?

>>50905028

>>50904321
Meds, now

>>50905077
Was I replying to that? And please just fuck off with the JP LARP. Have you even been able to exchange one reply with an anon here about any of these literal whos, Last Samurai? The board already barely cares about the biggest JP chuubas. I'm not sure why you think they are meaningful.

>>50905325

>>50903847
Just take the L, anon

>>50879586
>someone charismatic
I've never seen a charismatic vtuber. Have they not debuted yet?

The way JP listeners are demolishing him is so fucking good
>あくまで映画監督志望でカネと知名度のために入り、ガッツリ稼いだらスパッとやめて「元のでーす皆の
>"I just wanted to be a movie director, so I entered nijisanji for money and name recognition."
And we all know how much they fuckin loathed Yugo. Now it's Vox's turn

>>50904505
3viewsanji

>>50884961
>Why in the ACTUAL FUCK is he a vtuber then other than to cash in and milk it?
You can't ask a question and then prevent us from giving you the real answer.

>>50906009
They are begging management to step in kek

>>50904824
Definitely. Also the way he dragged them into the conversation and said they were worried too is such a shitty move. Literally putting words in their mouths without their permission. His unprofessionalism is just disrespectful at this point.

>>50906992
They need to, hell they should have long ago. Maybe they will now that JP is catching on

>>50890664
>Even people like Kronii and Fauna have been experiencing more and more streams below the averages they usually get.
Gee, I wonder if they did anything that could've put people off

>>50904592
and thats why EN vtuber scene stays garbage there are many more chuubas like vox
remember that retarded trend on twitter where en 1-2views tweets their irl face thinking its based and innovative? dude probably does the same if he fails his niji audition and no yumechinks knows him

>>50907164
Timestamp

>>50907576
He does actually say it, that the other Luxiem members are feeling menhera about their numbers

>>50904060
he's literally getting ratio'd

>>50904060
Do you mean dunking on Vox or Hex?

>>50903313
I think most NijiENs are just like him actually, like do you think Enna seriously gave one iota about any of this before Millie nepo'd her in, etc. Howabout Iluna you know, existing.

That's just Anycolor's general way of doing things really. It is only by sheer luck that they happen to pick up otaku types like Pomu - since she was our first impression of the branch, they want you to be led to assume they're all like her when no that isn't the case at all and it's only become less the case over time.

Why don't they have "2nd" accounts where they stream what they like to the fans that want their "real" content like Vox has his normal channel and Vox2 where he spergs out over kirby or some shit

>>50879137
Pander much more to Chinks

>>50908061
Some of them do, Vox is literally mentally ill and a massive numberfaggot

>>50879029
You could just do the mental math and not be a little bitch.
2190 / 60 = about 36 mins

>>50907749
Okay timestamp?

>>50906009
wut
what was wrong with Yugo

>>50904824
that was really shitty to put words on 29 other members, clearly without their consent

>>50908632
NTA, but I don’t think they ever forgave her for making that earthquake quip.

>>50906009
Based fucking nihonjins
Vox should just graduate and become a flesh tuber as well as all the other whores and fags from NijiEN

>>50908632
The nips all hated her for the earthquake shit and called her an unprofessional menhera and they were celebrating her being fired. When she made her tweet apologizing on her other account they were all QRT'ing her saying "this is why you got fired you dumb bitch"

>>50878677
>I have watched clips before.
Hypocrites ITT will claim they never did just to dunk on the retarded brit

>>50908893
holy fucking based nipon people

>>50909058
Yeah I can't say they were wrong there

>>50908991
99% of anon's here aren't employees for a vtuber company announcing to the world that they don't know shit about their job and they just watched a handful of clips, not even a single stream, just fuckin clips

>>50908802
I don't watch nijisanji and hugo what did she say about that made the japs seethe?

He's right. Vtubing is dying in EN, and only Vox is willing to call it out. Unless they start doing more topical shit (e.g. political rants, react content, hot take streams) they'll never reach Twitch numbers. It's a sad reality, but this is the direction EN vtubing will go.

This guy got so doped up on his own ego he couldn't handle losing viewers or numbers.
It was over when he said he would get more numbers on his karaoke because he has 1 million subscribers, He's fucked.

>>50879137
>let me hit you guys with a really scary fact: I don't watch vtubers. For me as a normie, sometimes I don't really get the appeal of Vtubing. It's a niche interest but the issue is that the niche is shrinking.

cheeky fucking cunt, I dare you to say that to Mito's face.

Again, I blame both Anycolor and Cover for not investing in their EN branches in a big way. Why did Ame have to handle building her studio nearly all on her own? Why does Pomu have to wait the better part of a year just for some minor tweaks to her 3D? Why has neither company gone forward with building a 3D studio in the US?
And it's not impossible either. Nintendo and Sega both got domestic production and distribution running in the United States in just a few years back in the 80s. Yes, they needed help, but that's what industry connections are for.

>>50909576
I blame your ass

>>50909576
No the problem is their fucking hiring department not vetting people properly

Also, of fucking course Anycolor won't buy a 3d studio here. Most of their talents are scattered all over the world, It'd be cheaper to just fly them to Japan

>>50909576
>Comparing cover & anycolor with juggernaut like sega & nitendo.
Retard.

>>50909576
>Why has neither company gone forward with building a 3D studio in the US?
Aside from with Kiara, Cover could probably rent a building and achieve a toned-down version of their conventional studio, having minimal issues in getting HoloEN to travel to it for work. Security, however, is probably a nightmare. Anycolor doesn’t reinvest in side branches as a standard policy, plus they’re too spread out,

>>50909576
Because, of all the shortcoming of westaboos, the eagerness to pander to their employment masters is the most easily exploitable
Why pay for a 3D Studio when Ame offers to do it herself?
Why tweak the 3D model when we've browbeaten Pomu into thinking it's not that big of a deal
Why spend millions on an overseas studio that not just most of our EN talents can use, but we can rent out to other Talen Studios, when bumping a shoulder or two to have them fly over on our schedule and we swaddle them with some half-decent ryokan overnight stay and we let them meet Yagoo/Tazumi

>>50909734
>Most of their talents are scattered all over the world
Both corpos have talents in mostly USA/Canada, Australia, and UK
For US/CAN and UK, get the studio set up in either Ontario, or a far northern state like Washington or New Jersey
For Australia, send them to JP
For everyone else (ike in Sweden, Reimu in Colombia, Kiara in Austria), they choose where they want to go

>>50909524
He doesn't watch any of the JP members. While the newer hires are hovering around 500-3k CCV it's still good and vtubing in Japan is stronger than ever. ROFMAO and Hololive even had a collab with google JP. I think he's just salty that the fans he cultivated, which are mostly kpop sisters/college students, are getting bored and are looking for the newest fad. His earnings are still good too.

>>50910113
Or you can fly them to Japan, which is much cheaper.

>>50907966
Hex given the topic

>>50878677
>antis will watch through an entire stream just for the chance to make a thread like this
I don't even watch niji but this is just sad dude. Why not ignore them instead? Why spend so much energy on something you hate?

Surprised how civil the thread is in spite of NijiEN + male + numberfag
He might have raised an interesting point or two but everything else he said is ignorant and shortsighted.
If only there was an employee in his company that could offer him some guidance or perhaps, some management?

>>50910628
Nah, this is a perfectly valid thing to shit on Vox and Niji about. The dude went on camera to tell everyone he's a shitty grifter and put words into his genmates public mouths about them being menhera about their numbers

>>50910756
Proof on your last comment?

>>50910682
I'm going to be honest with you I very much so doubt management knew Vox was going to do this, just like how they surely didn't okay him posting a fat belly selfie on his Twitter or the SPAGHETTI. He just does this shit and they can't punish him for it, or if they try he just ignores them because he doesn't see this as a job

>>50910786
Watch the video, or skip through it. It's there. You can look through one of the other threads, search for "Vox" and find someone who showed the timestamp

>>50910815
read between lines anon, I was joking about managers not doing their one job and talking to them before they do stupid shit.

>>50910910
Fair enough then. Vox admitted to not taking his meds for 3 months, so who's to say they hadn't tried before he aired his shit out

>>50909330
The topic of EN vtubing dying is sort of a complicated one. Big corps like Holo and Niji's are on the decline, but that's for different reasons like HoloEN only having a handful of talents that stream on any consistent basis, and most of the fans are only watching the female talents. With NijiEN there's a lot more going on than that, because you have some talents going full menhera with no GOOD management to reign them in and help them, then theres talents that are complete drama magnets that created an atrocious image for the branch that can impact other members, and truthfully the branch just isn't really growing anymore. They grew super fast and it didnt feel like there was a ton of effort made to solidify their fanbase during said growth. Or its a different problem where the fanbase is still mostly there but the talents are unintentionally competing with each other for viewership and cash since they arent attracting new people to Niji anymore.

There's also the fact that Vtubing is just another form of streaming, so unless the interest already vanished from normalfags after all this time, its likely those fans that love vtubers have just moved on from relying on the two JP giants as the only way to get their fix. Plus, smaller corpos and indies are slowly growing and doing well for themselves, and there's still quite a few indies that seem to be able to make some decent income off of vtubing. If they arent full on able to make it a job, then at least its good supplemental income I'd imagine.

>I can't stop, this is my job and I'm happy with it and I'm successful and then I think about some other people getting their start in vtubing who would reach this level and be like "I'm happy!" and I feel like I should be happy...but I'm not
Goddamn he is obsessed with numbers. He talks about having 3.3k people watching as a bad thing as if that's not numbers the majority will ever reach.

>>50908061
This is literally what Asmongold does and it’s worked out well for him

>>50911278
>Plus, smaller corpos and indies are slowly growing
I know you guys want to be hip contrarians by not liking the big corpos. But no, indies and smaller corpos aren't doing notably better either. Every week some venture falls apart, for every 1 vtuber who 100 more views this month there are 100 who give up cause they couldn't even reach 2 view status. There is no indie surge, no one has suddenly become a big name in streaming. The best thing you can say is like with normal streaming if you can stick it out long enough you might be able to get a small sustainable fanbase.

>>50909330
>Unless they start doing more topical shit (e.g. political rants, react content, hot take streams) they'll never reach Twitch numbers. It's a sad reality, but this is the direction EN vtubing will go.
This is both meaningless (due to the difference in both platform's viewership counting systems) and untrue, though

What a numberfag

>>50911839
To be fair, different people have different standards and the further you go, the higher your standards usually become.
Like him or hate him, he was able to reach 7-10k relatively frequently during his few months peak. His karaoke streams were hitting 40-60k. When you knew you could get 5k+ just less than a year before, of course 3k is low.

>>50913676
Comparing numbers cross platform is somewhat pointless. But he isn't wrong about what is big in this market, the biggest streamers are either all about that stuff or dedicated to the in game right now (which eventually falls off). We will eventually see a wave of vtubers who do the same bullshit drama stuff in that circle. However it'll be a different niche and more show that vtubing isn't this overarching community some still see it as.

>>50888174
Let’s not beat around the bush, vtubing in the west mostly went downhill after Luxium’s debut.

>>50903313
If you watch male vtubers, you're a weirdo

>>50888966
Funnily, he nor the rest of ‘NijiEN’ ever had a western audience. Calling them western vtubers might even be a stretch.

>>50913868
Still it's not the thing he needs to say publicly when most of the branch struggles to hit it regularly.

>>50914155
While it can be addressed in a better way, maybe more focused on the general trend rather than no 10k make vox sad. I don't think being honest with your audience is a bad thing. We can all see it happening across the board. Being open about it can help them get advice, feedback on new content ideas and just feel more at ease with their fans. Slowly declining and just ignoring it feels a lot more awkward.

>>50879137
>>let me hit you guys with a really scary fact: I don't watch vtubers. For me as a normie, sometimes I don't really get the appeal of Vtubing. It's a niche interest but the issue is that the niche is shrinking.

lol then the decline is a very natural consequence. idk why many westerners are always like this. they hate vtubers, and yet stream as them and complain about the culture and the circumstances. they hate video games, and yet make them and write hateful articles about them.

if you are a cultureless normie or want to try to be seen as "intelligent", then just stay in your normie realm. these fuckers end up blaming fans for not understanding them. his drivel is the symptom of it.

>>50914736
you'll find more japanese people jumping on the vtuber bandwagon than westerners

>>50914736
>cultureless normie
Wait until you learn all normies are uncultured

>>50914736
He wants to ""save"" vtubing from it's demise and show people why it's so great but doesn't put in effort to watch other vtubers and understand the appeal.

>>50914736
>be grifter
>people slowly notice
>they leave you
It's pretty obvious, yeah

>>50914974
thats an indie story. no one in njii jp or holo jp says like this. its already hard to say hes professional. ofc if you are an indie, you can say whatever you like.

they dont need to be full on nerds there but at least they should respect the culture before expressing their disinterest.

>>50915120
NijiJP is absolutely full of random normies who dont give a shit about vtubers trying to hop on the gravy train
Fucking retards imagining stories about Japan

>>50915031
Well, yeah, that’s why they are normalfags. Vox admitting to being one is pretty funny, though.

>>50909933
You missed the point, Sega and Nintendo of the early 80s were nothing like they'd be a few years later. And they got big in the west by taking that step towards domestic expansion.

>>50889507
Both Peko and Miko had their rough period right at the start of their vtubing days, they got it over with quickly. Miko completely reinvented herself - she started as a kind of boring pure shrine maiden type and, when she was thinking about quitting, decided to experiment by doing a 180 and becomming a derranged cartoon character - since she was already at rock bottom before, she had nothing at all to lose and it worked wonderfully, even unintentionally helping Hololive branch out overseas and become as popular as it is today. Peko had a shaky start in hololive and was popular back in NND but grew more confident over time thanks in part to placing a lot of faith in her fanbase. No offense to Vox, but he just isn't as funny or as creative as those two, and he certainly doesn't have as little to lose as Miko did when she was at rock bottom. His bread and butter seems to be coomer content as well, as opposed to comedy. Thing is, you absoloutely can mix coomer content with comedy - look at Marine for instance (who has more talent in her little finger than Vox has in his entire body), but I don't think Vox has what it takes to do that.
>what i worry about is that by following such strong traditions is that we lose the urge to innovate or make really scary changes
This sounds like the kind of cope /lig/ chuubas and Kson used when they wanted to branch out into facecam streams to me.

>>50915664
Anon, SEGA were only popular in Japanese arcades. They only gained a foothold in the domestic market with the Saturn when Nintendo more-or-less abandoned it with the N64, and they lost that foothold with the Dreamcast.

>>50915238
ive never heard a niji jp vtuber saying "im indifferent to vtubing." if anyone says like that, japanese matome sites or twitter faggots should report it but at least ive never seen such an article or a tweet.
even if what you are saying is right, its still highly questionable that the ace vtuber from one of the biggest vtuber agencies says like this. whats the point of it? it only disappoints the audience. its like a popular singer saying i dont like singing on the stage.

>>50908893
>they were all QRT'ing her saying "this is why you got fired you dumb bitch"
holy based

>>50878677
He's literally just talking about streamers in general.
It's not even vtubers just streamers.
Why would you watch Mr Beast? Etc.

>>50915815
coomer content has shown time and time again to be the worst content you could do
Good short term, shit long in the long run

>>50878677
>I can't ride the coattails of having done a great thing once for the rest of my life
Gura...

>>50916417
its a simple "i like these content so i watch" but people here think its more complex than that.

>>50916607
rent free

>>50916520
I think it's fine as long as it isn't your sole bread and butter. Marine is a solid artist, singer and comedian on top of providing occasional coomer content. Okayu does some of the lewdest ASMR content in Hololive and is a total tease but plays good games decently well and is a comfy but funny streamer who is both good in solo streams and collabs. Vox went all out on coomer shit and yeah, it's kind of bit him in the ass a bit.

>>50916247
>niji jp vtuber saying "im indifferent to vtubing."
Gundou, Ryushen, Kaede, Kanda

i don't understand the appeal of EN vtubers either

>>50917721
Are we supposed to clap now because a NijiENfag managed to mention 4 JPs? Post timestamps dumbfuck.

>>50915107
He basically destroyed any hope of male vtubers getting a male audience like normal flesh streamers because of his ASMR’s, hardcore shipbaiting with Ike and Shoto, and pandering to the female demographic hard. At this point if you’re a male vtuber outside of Japan, better hope that you can attract the female asian audience because you won’t attract anyone else as seen from the 2view male Indies that can’t incline at all

>>50916417
He was talking specifically about vtubers there.

>>50878677
save them

>>50905913
I know /vt/ has a disdain for HoloStars but Roberu is the most charismatic VTuber I've seen. Go watch any clips where he's in a Collab

>>50919782
>Go watch
No thanks sis

>>50918103
>At this point if you’re a male vtuber outside of Japan, better hope that you can attract the female asian audience
i don't know much about male vtubers in japan, can they attract a primarily male audience? how?

>>50919782
Not charismatic enough to get people to watch him unfortunately
lmaoooo

>>50919782
>homobeggar, clip watcher AND collab endorser
jesus christ

>>50919980
Different culture. The difference of being acclimated to animanga culture so you are actually down to earth and relatable to other guys who are otaku and gamers

>>50919782
At least tell us to watch his streams. Jesus Christ.

>>50919980
Not being mentally ill, fujo pandering, gay baiting cunts helps.

>>50878677
im surprised nobody mention he cant drive for shit lmao.
its like easiest thing to do.

>>50919782
lmao, if I want to watch jp male vtuber, i will watch bro vtuber like Yashiro, Belmond instead of your homo gay shit

>>50903426
>permissions nonsense
i hope you're shit talking game corpos and not vtuber corpos here

>>50911839
If you are in it for the money then of course you will care about for the number

>>50890664
>numbers are mediocre
Large corpos are mediocre because Holowhores went on the longest collective tummy hort in history and only homos were left to watch and flayon who is somewhere between. Niji destroyed itself with endless cucking drama. Vshojo if we put them up there is treading water adding a few girls in the last year and then losing a few girls because Froot is insanely spiteful and Mouse is insanely spineless.

All of the small corpos, even the stupid ones, have gotten infinitely more success than they would have 3 years ago when they were streaming to 10 people.

>>50921077
>bro
>belmond the yaoi enjoyer
Back to watching your actual homo gay shit, anon.

>>50891991
Of course not, he's menhera as fuck.

>>50921420
nijiJP "fans" don't actually watch nijiJP.

>>50921451
It's always stupid when this image comes up, because it just seems like some are there to pad it up.
Captcha: Ars Oh

>>50904216
>if you actually browsed /lig/ for more than a week
>for more than a week
It takes maybe 15 minutes tops to read the current /lig/ thread and skim over the last archived few. That ain't secret knowledge, nigga.

>calls himself a normie
>FNAF and undertale sperg
bitch nigga inflated ego

>>50879805
Ina's also a legendary artist though

>>50887480
i mean, sure, but those are mostly jobs where emotion and passion aren't key to doing the job. like, you dont have to be passionate about financial liquidity to be employed as a fund manager. you just need to crunch the numbers to get the job done.

vtubing, on the other hand, is an inherently passion-intensive job. regardless of where you fall on the kayfabe scale, you got to at least have an interest in the vtubing culture, in order to make it long-term. it's a "creative" type of job, after all.

>>50914034
You could argue that during Lazusydia there at least was an attempt made. Ethyria was sort of the beginning of the end, and you know how things turned out with Luxiem.

>>50880046
>I remember someone on a previous thread saying he was fine with the decline now that he was doing his own thing, but I guess once a numberfag, always a numberfag
kindred are masters at gaslighting since they know you have to torture yourself to even listen to a minute of this cocksucker

>>50922154
Those are hyper normie

neat this thread is still alive. reminds me of my days back in pkg.

>>50879197
>Vox is right to skip all that if he wants to be genuinely entertaining.
he isn't though

>>50921420
>>50921077
You two are definitely projecting

>>50880483
>This is a guy who bought an expensive specialized video camera with his Luxiem money, he wants to actually do shit and being a corpo vtuber constrains what you can do to an insane degree

it's bc he probably never really thought he would stick with this gig for too long. the plan was always for him to graduate and go mainstream after. film was always his passion, which was the real reason why he bought the fancy equipment.

ig he thought he would be able to coast with the content he already had until the time came, but then his viewership started declining. so now he's stuck, and he doesn't see a good way to recover. that's basically it.

I don't know how anyone can listen to his rambling and think this guy is happy or has a real objective in mind besides noombers

>>50917721
You need to post their timestamp the. , at least i want to hear it directly from their mouth.

>>50921240
you have shit reading comprehension

>>50898815
you dont like the d, anon?

>>50903753
The brightest stars have the shortest lifespans

>>50923111
bullshit because Vox is one of the people who would blow up again once he leaves unless they make a KILL LIST against him. He would be extremely popular on Twitch or even still on YT with his tastes in media. Hell, he wants numbers? Just do react content with dono insentives and then work on your projects in the meantime while you rake money.

>>50879137
Timestamp maker here. By the way the only reason I stopped transcribing more is because I couldn't stand this guys delusion and arrogance any longer. This guy is literally pretending he got popular through his creative wit or some shit and that he needs to become some revolutionary artist genius content creator to grow further. You're a literal manwhore and you know it, fucking retard. You're coping because you lost your coomer chinks.

Maybe there's more juicy stuff he said but someone else is gonna have to dig through this guys narcissistic rambling.

>>50904127
They are absolutely right about Hex and other niji dudes though obviously they only pander to them because it brings easy money and there isn't much in terms of effort involved.

>>50915238
No they fucking aren't. Why do people say this with a straight face? They're normies in the sense that they don't watch much anime besides the mainstream shit but they still know shit about vtubing BECAUSE THEY KNOW ITS A JOB THAT THEY STUDY FOR AND AREN'T GRIFTERS and still play what we consider to be weeb games

>>50919980
Maimoto only has like 2-3% of women in his audience. Even Kagami Hayato has a decent split between men and women watching him. Japan doesn't really differentiate between vtubers and flesh streamers. Everywhere else vtubers are only for "degenerate weebs"

>>50927076
there are multiple people in JP that don't watch anime or read manga or even care to know about it. Gwelu for example. The guy hasn't seen a single anime in his life.

>>50927134
Probably because hololive arrived first and poisoned peoples perception on what vtubing is, so they just all associate it with idol shit

>>50927229
first introduction for a lot of people in the west to vtubing was Melody and that article about her so you can't be more wrong about that. I know people who have zero knowledge of vtubers but even they heard about Melody the "that pornstar with an anime avatar, they call it vtuber I think?"

>>50927346
Nah at least from the circles I've been, the first time they've heard of vtubers was when Myth blew up during Covid. Most people in the groups I'm in only knew about Melody once vshojo was created

>>50926537
I had the same reaction. He is so self absorbed and delusional I wonder how people who aren't ESL can stand him.

>>50927425
I literally just saw this today lmao
>People that watch Vtubers are unironically more degenerate than the viewers that watch hot tub streams
>eh some female vtubers least on the likes of twitch tend to be overtly sexual or say things like "ara ara" or moaning sounds etc to lonely viewers whereas from what i've seen of hotub streamers or the like on here, rarely make sexual conversions or jokes to their viewers. not saying all do, but there's definitely some degen streamers with degen fanbases that vtube. then you have the vrchatter degens as well. hottub irls tend to be mostly just visual.

>>50927425
get out of your echochamber circles and feast on the reality that westerners see vtubers as ethots thanks to a few certain people and clickbaity articles.

>Vox met up with Mysta
So that's why he went super-menhera. Mysta probably talking about anti-posts from here to him and he got menhera from it