/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>50869833
Based sister hate-watching Vox giving un details in real time

>>50869833
well at least he's facing reality and is looking for ways to better his content to appeal to more people. More than what could be said for holostars.

>>50869833
Pretty sure most ex-nijisis already moved on to plav

zaions revenge is a slow poison

>improve their content
Dismantle the clique, then.

>>50869833
based retard giving ammunition to antis

>>50869833
Its a global thing. Every corpo/indie is dropping in viewers, i dont think they can do much to stop it

Just start an onlyfans account. You don't need to stream or worry about ccv anymore.

>>50869833
gfe and bfe never last forever, hopefully he will be able to move on now and be an actual creator.

>>50869833
Does anyone has the screenshot of his
>Freeling bored, might cum
tweet?

>>50869833
Idk if that tactic is good, maybe change stream content to more low effort content 2/3rds of the week and try to have tentpole content once a week might be better, if you stream less your engagement just plummets that's such a rookie content creator mistake to make that'll just make the death spiral worse.

>>50870074
Pretty sure even him aren't BFE, and there isn't any GFE in nijiEN. There is only RCE; retard cuck experience and it don't work at all.

>Wants to work more on creative endeavors and writing, get in life in order because its a huge mess
>GUYS NIJISANJIEN IS DYING
The rrat machine never sleeps.
>>50870098
Go ask the faggots at #, they love NijiEN and will accommodate you.

>>50869833
I need timestamps before I join in this discussion any further

>asking if his simps will still support him if he streams less
did he expect anyone to say no? retard.

He specifically said vtubing as a whole while discussing it, not just niji en. It's a tribalism thread

>>50870302
vtubing isn't dying though, a lot of corp ones are though, indies are rising

>>50869833
>Wants to start new ideas to improve his channel, yet he never has any time for it
An example of Vox "ideas"

He's got a point, VTubing exploded outside of Asia largely because of COVID. The people who are here for trend will move on, but the ones who truly fall into it stay here.

Keeping a steady viewership is more important than constant exponential growth.

>>50869980
They're all sinking just like we all are.

Yes, nijien has been very clearly dying for a while now. Every wave gets noticeably less viewers and at this point I truly don't believe they can debut a new one because the viewership will be so low that it's not worth being part of the branch for the talent.
As for vox he had potential at the start of being a pretty good brotuber so he should consider giving up the coomer stuff and doing that as his whole gimmick instead.

>>50870366
But they're not, Zaion has more numbers and money being indie than being in NijiEN

>>50870361
Why can't rosemi make dick sucking asmr? it's not fair.

>>50869833
Sounds like they're finally noticing the overall drop in EN vtubing

>>50870034
Perhaps for big corpos on the en (and cn for nijien) side, but aren't smaller corpos doing better than ever?

>>50869833
Everyone is overwhelmed with offline work and there is never anything to show for it. I have no idea what they have to spend so much time on but everyone is tired and can't innovate

>>50870348
Yes, yes, any day now, it’ll be over for le bad corpos.

What does vox mean he doesn't like his content? he's gonna stop doing ASMR from now on?

>>50870034
This is completely false.
big corpos are suffering and indies/small corpos aren't, there's a huge increase which is why vtubers are looking into smaller corpos instead

>>50870465
Yeah because for small corpos reaching high 3 view is equal to a corpo getting 20k ccv on a random stream

>>50870459
Not a problem for good streamers like Veibae or Ironmouse

Does he know what type of content creator he wants to be yet?

>>50870217
Seconded

NijiEN has been on a downward spiral for ages now. Nothing against Vox since he's not a bad guy, but there's too many problems going against the branch right now. There's too many issues with drama surrounding the branch, whether due to management and their ineptitude, a few mean-spirited talents in the branch that went on to create a toxic environment, or the friction between male vs female fans that basically result in a split where barely anyone is happy.
That's also not getting to the fact that they pushed for shipping between streamers, which basically spelt disaster for the female talents, because understandably little of their fans want to tune in just to feel like a third wheel.

>>50870646
he has no fucking idea. He literally just admitted he decided to make this stream because he watched spiderverse. kek.

>>50870546
idolfags and phasefags need another lesson, it seems.

>>50869833
And this is the flash in the pan that Cover rushed to copy with Tempus. Smooth move, retards.

>>50870646
Like settled

Cool. I hope they fall even harder.

>Jap corpo EN branches dying off
>Small corpos and what's left of Vshojo holding firm
>Indies rising high with Mythic riding the wave
EN streaming inevitably shifts towards Twitch and so will EN vtubing, unless they stop forcing themselves to be streamers and branch out to actual Youtube-friendly content

>>50870526
No one is watching him for donkey kong is he retarded

meanwhile, nijiEN will host a 3D vtuber concert in the US before holoEN

>>50870583
I just think it's too early to say there's no hope for vtubing in the west, at least until en3 comes out. Holoen has been managed terribly and many of the members are unmotivated or ruined by tempiss, but if a decent gen comes out there might be renewed interest like id3 did for holo id.
Things are more grim for nijien, because it seems vtubing was just a fad for them and they are quickly losing interest

>>50870832
yeah, idol has been rising to the top very quickly and mousey regularly mogs holoEN

>>50870685
The female talents are the ones barely losing anything though lol. The top girls in NijiEN have dropped maybe 500 viewers each. Meanwhile Luxiem members have dropped like 7k viewers. The problem NijiEN has is Luxiem lost the interest of a Chinese women that were watching them nothing to do with male fans.

>>50870937 (me)
*a fad for their chinese fans

They're done. They have been able to play whatever they want, collab with whoever they want, essentially do whatever they want. They have not been impeded and there are no avenues to improve. They even managed to hit an incline phase at one point, and it sputtered out and they've fallen back to where they were, except Selen.

>>50870518
It's more le dumb corpos.
NijiEN had too many fucking yabs in succession. Surprisingly to no one, letting garbage human beings like Enna and Kyo into company will create shit culture in it.
Meanwhile HoloEN was fucking abandoned without new gen for almost 2 years for 8 faggots for whatever reason.

>>50869833
The current state is normal. Chinks and SEA were pretending to enjoy Niji EN despite not fully understanding English but they couldn't keep up with it and left.

>>50870955
Idol has not been rising to the top wtf are you on about?

>>50871165
Rin and Yuko's explosive incline + a new gen is on the way very soon.

>>50871165
He’s the resident crack addict, it’s best not to try to comprehend his insanity.

>>50870955
Idol are 3view garbage shitters that don't make any money. All of them. And IronLung is literally one person. What does that even mean to use her as an example?

>>50869833
They're dying thanks to the inclusion of males. Cover need to cut ties with tempiss homojp before they end up like niji

>>50869833
>NijiEN is full of numberfags
Grim

That sucks. Usually salespeople interpersonal issues due to a straight commissions structure can be avoided as long as the market/audience/revenue keeps growing. Otherwise, it’ll become a ratrace pretty fast when you have to compete with your colleagues for your income (hope they have a second source of income).

>>50871237
males are an integral part of nijisanji culture

>>50871185
With the way Yuko has been pandering to coomers she'll reach vshojo numbers in no time

>>50871165
I wouldn't say they're rising to the top like that anon, but they really grew quite a bit. Hell, them and Phase, the viewership for some of their talents is basically on par with NijiEN's females at this point, which if anything is only a representation of how many viewers left NijiEN compared to their growing subscriber count.
Hell Rin is basically doing better than pretty much all of XSOLEIL, and she barely streams at all.

>>50871272
When the males perform. But Vox and the rest of Luxiem have fallen to like 3xxx 4view level, where the girls easily compete with them. It's not working in the same way as JP.

>>50871272
Vtubbers was never meant for women though. It was designed for Japan hardworking men who don't have time to date.

Keep coping nijiniggers and twitchfags, HoloEN has been stagnated for quite a while but NijiEN just keeps dropping and dropping. Also your twitch whores get those viewers because that's just how twitch works

>>50870893
I truly believe that Vox committed sudoku by pandering to twittersexuals and fujos/yumes.

>>50871185
Rin got a great boost from shorts but threw all that momentum away with a month long break. Yuko will never reach any real level of success.
Gen 2 has potential but they really need more variety. No one in Idol is really a gamer and it leaves a lot of potential viewers on the table.
Phase is used as their most frequent comparison but even the least susccesful Phase talents(non jp) have higher CCV than everyone in idol aside from Rin.

>>50871394
He was getting 10k streams when he did it regularly. He found an untapped niche that now left because he doesn't know what he wants anymore

>>50869833
Courted the wrong audience.

>>50869833
I think that sounds more like a personal problem. There are fleshtubers who do basically the same formula for 5+ years or longer and end up doing just fine, so I think burnout comes more from doing this or that kind of thing because they like it versus because that's what they feel like they have to do

western audiences just tends to skew towards independents and small companies for eceleb stuff. how many times have we seen a small youtuber or youtuber group grow big and then collapse while their fanbase scatters to a bunch of smaller creators? in japan vtubing is seen more as an off shoot of the big entertainment industries like idols, television, etc. in the west it is just seen as a different flavor of streamer. big corpos will be able to hang on better in japan because they are part of the entertainment industry working in tandem with other forms of entertainment to help promote each other.

nijien is currently just going the way of rooster teeth or the creatures. they grew big and had solid footing, but constant introductions of new talents fans aren't interested in while the popular talents people like start slowing down, or worse shilling the new talents people have little interest in, and a million little "scandals" just suck the enjoyment out of the thing. i think nijien is going to hang on for quiet a few more years, but it will never recover.

>>50870034
Tell that to Pippa

>>50870955
Twitch counts live viewers very differently. You can watch on multiple tabs on twitch and it counts as seperate viewers. That doesn't work on youtube among other things like embedded players

>>50869833
I still like some people at nijien but the constant drama and the hard pander to the twitter kpop fujos crowd by some members is a huge reason why it is how it is now.

>>50869833
NijiEN males are dying because they went too hard on the fujo and chinese audience.
Every single male they debuted has been chasing that crowd. They end up fighting amongst themselves for it and naturally viewers choose favorites they stick to or just move on to the next fresh thing.
Compare that to NijiJP males who aren't all fujo or GFE bait caricatures. You have plenty men who are just normal guys doing what they like, sharing passions and hobbies or just goofing around. You have only 2-3 people like that in NijiEN among the men. The women are unironically more honest about themselves and as a result had stable views or earnings.

>>50871493
Thing is, you can only keep that up for so long, especially if the things you want to do get substantially lower viewers (which clearly affected him to see) than the pandering. The cost of fame is often doin something you hate or dislike; in his case, he seems to be in limbo over whether he is actually successful doing what he relates to or if he’s just a meat stick. Just my supposition, though,

>>50871185
Dead shorts subs arent an incline. She is BARELY hitting 10k vod views for he live streams when she use to average 20k-50k vod views.

>>50871118
Stupid decisions are killing corpos. Well said.

>>50869833
Well yeah people tend to leave when youre fucking boring and they finally realized youre boring

>>50869833
All he had to do was to treat it as a job and keep his femcel audience happy. Stream friday to sunday and do perhaps a stream on the other days of the week.
Just be the virtual host, every friday is an afterwork stream where you drink and chat with you lonely femcels. Do an ASMR on saturday or sunday. Voila roll in cash and in popularity as well, dumb fucking bong. I cant fucking believe that he posted his fat fucking tummy on twitter or that he posted his dry ass pasta which led to his doxxing.

Just play the role given to you by your audience (or the role that you want to be) and everyone goes home happy. I dont give a fuck if my GFE ASMR slut has a boyfriend or not, she gives me masturbation streams and ear licking streams and never talks about her "brother"

all they need is for the sisters to turn the botfarms back on

>>50870034
Indies are inclining, holoen is reclining but it really isn't going to effect them because they don't operate in a dog eat dog environment like nijisanji but yeah the en side overall is definitely reclining, 4 views aren't a good measure to cheak the whole industries state.

>>50869833
lmao

>>50871826
Name 5 inclining indies.

>>50871760
How can the sisters that use to bot farm turn them back on when those are the ones that left NijiEn after all those yabs?.

>>50870955
>Comparing twitch numbers to YouTube
YouTube periodically shits itself and stops showing 20-30% viewership, while twitch numbers are inflated by drops, raids and the way twitch counts it's CCV if you want to look at the overall popularity you will have to look at other metrics like music and merch, and agencies aren't making any less money right now so it's not really the case.

>>50869922
retard

>>50870937
retard

>>50871982
Like i said the low tier indies are inclining but it's not a reliable measure to understand the whole industry as these definitely aren't new people watching but just people shifting who they watch.

>>50869833
i remember Nijifags bragging about Luxiem, they so quiet now.

>>50872062
He is right en3 might be the only hope

>>50870034
Every single ex-niji has higher noombers than when they were nijjers

>>50872132
What the fuck are you on about? Just state names so we can fact check.

>>50871580
Pretty accurate analysis. At least western anime/jp video game distributors and such could've collabed with niji EN or holo EN but they are incompetent greedy egomaniacal woke niggers, so it couldn't happen. Reminder that Capcom Japan collabed with holo jp members to advertise their game but Capcom USA hired drag queens for it.

>>50872193
Look at twitch anon, although i think there numbers are retarded indies are inclining there but they will never reach corpo levels.

>>50869833
good, this is what they gets after keep pandering to chinksisters, trashtalking other chuuba, fail to keep assholes on a leash, doesn't know when to shut the fuck up
their precious kpop stan sisters probably returned to whatever gook shit is popular right now

https://twitter.com/Key_Diva/status/1666092885228556288
lol

>>50872229
I do look at Twitch and that's why I know you're full of shit. The fact that you can't state even 5 names tells me enough that you're just repeating some nonsense some other numbernigger said in another thread.

>>50869833
You have to look at the competition here
The top twitch stremers are all men who are either unironic incels, sexual preditors or completely shit human beings, nijien might have sexpests but they don't come close to these stremers, the industry is just too difficult for normal vtubers to survive in luxium succeded with the chink and sea fujo audiance, holoen with the anime community the fujos have long dropped nijien and holoen has sabotaged itself several times.

>>50872216
It's not accurate at all though. It gets it wrong from the start by thinking the NijiEN audience is western.

Everything after Lazusydia was a mistake.

>>50872300
OSRS really is a normie thing nowadays

>>50870302
>He specifically said vtubing as a whole
Vox is right about that since the EN vtuber market was in a bubble due to lockdowns. The early growth and numbers didn't reflect the real audience for both HoloEN and NijiEN.

>>50872411
I know, Niji EN audience is basically Chinks and SEA fujoshits but the downfall of niji/holo EN is actually similar to that of rooster teeth.

this time for sure

>>50871737
Smaller corpos are stable or rising compared to a year ago, though (i.e: PC / jew corp)

>>50872167
its even more hilarious when you realize they fall below council, the stagnated holoen they made fun of in discord

>>50872568
A lot of small corpos died though

>>50872444
They should fire everyone except Selen, or terminate Selen so she can pursue greener pastures.

grim

Eien is half dead and don't look at rin's recent numbers kek.

>>50872568
And? What a meaningless thing to say. Guess where Luxiem was within the first year of debut.

>>50872764
It's 12am in Beijing

>>50872300
This reads like a 4chan shitpost. There's no way he said that.

>stop pandering to chinese fujos
>lose audience
>youtube see your content is not getting views anymore
>starts not recomending it.
That is the issue. If you end up popular with a foreigner group is a time race where you need to use that group to boost your popularity in your local market. Or try to become chinese if you cant in this case. Luxiem failed both.

>>50872568
Half the indie corpo scene fucking dying or died and new talent breaking 1k average is a miracle that doesnt happen often.

https://twitter.com/Key_Diva/status/1666104546362261505
Here's something Vox will likely be reprimanded for. Beshrew my heart but I pity the man.

Do idolenshills actually look at their own numbers before spouting bullshit? Don't look at your star member rin's vod views compare to her older ones.

>>50872847
you could check the transcript later
i'm going to guess this will get privated pretty fast if management is aware

>>50871750
It's so fucking easy

>>50872921
Vtubing in general in the west is dying. Hololive in two years has lost over 50% of their original audience and in the past year alone have lost an average of 1800 viewers. Even people on twitch have started experiencing culls in viewership but to a lesser extent than YouTube. I get the feeling that YouTube has actively worked to stifle growth of vtubers between the constant culling of subs and flat out not letting people know when streams start etc etc.
Call it a conspiracy but I actually do think that YouTube has been trying to prevent people in the west from discovering vtubers.

>>50872300
honestly, it's true...

>>50873140
Happy go fucking lucky

>>50872300
Bros doomposting as one of the 0.1% who actively turned streaming as an anime avatar into a 6 figure job
Smells like an entitled cunt, he should go back to grooming 16 year olds as an independent creator

>>50873061
They have diluded themselves into thinking shorts mean shit they don't make money, heavily rely on the algorithm, and don't translate much to any relevant metric other then subs.

>>50869833
>>Vox has admitted that other NijiEN are suffering from low numbers and people are losing interest in them too, his other gen mates are a bit scared but going to try to find ways to improve their content
Timestamps he said nothing of the sorts. The only thing he said was he doesn't want spam one thing because even he knows that'd be a slog to go through.

>>50873149
>1800 viewers
So you're suggesting Watame should have gotten 85K instead of the 80K she received? Meh, 5K isn't that noticeable.

>>50869833
twitter and leddit don't watch stream, also 99% of oversea audience are just ironic weebs who see chuubas no less than gacha characters. The fad will recline even more unless JP companies starting to take their oversea business seriously.

>>50873208
I said west. I get that anons are autistic but on the same hand use your brain. Hololive JP is not who I'm referring to when I'm talking about vtubers being culled in the west

>>50869833
Selen come home to Holo

>>50872300
Must suck for other Nijis who are actually passionate for vtubers like Pomu to have the most normie and passionless guy to hit it big. But I also applaud Vox being to able to keep it up till now

>>50871982
Filian
Numi
Anny
Shondo
Tob

Even Shylily holding stable for the past 6 months means she's inclined relative to whatever's happening on YT

Reminder

>>50873149
>In the west
They have been doing it since 2020 anon to all vtubers, on 2020 there was an algorithm changes which completely plummeted holojps CCV i don't have the graph on me but it was a ridiculous drop, and the fact that they recovered and surpassed those numbers overtime means it wasn't a drop in interest but youtube fuckery and this has happened multiple times.

>>50873266
And you said Hololive lost 50% of it's pre-2020 audience and I know you're full of shit.

>>50873328
KWAB

>>50873183
https://www.youtube.com/@akeminekomachi/streams

Reminds me of this guy. Extreme high short numbers but low fan engagement in ccv or even vod views.

>>50873297
Shililiy was averga 8k on october.
She nit crumbling doesnt stop the fact that she is still on decline.
Big indies are dying and the ceiling of en chubas in general is lower.
It is just a bad time

>>50869833
>Shill thread
Buy an Ad, nijiniggers.

>>50873345
Anon, it's 2023, 2 years ago was 2021.....

>>50873297
You had all the time in the world to get the most biased examples possible and you couldn't even find a full incline roster. Nihmune has gone nowhere for the past year. Tobs and Shondo "incline" is a rounding error for even someone like Kiara.
"Holding stable" is an incline? Hell, every one of these corpo chuubas have also held stable for the past six months so everybody is inclining then.

>Vox thread
>Doomposting
Sisters shilling their nijiorgans LMAO.

>>50873329
Id believe it but I really don't understand why in the past year both hololive and nijisanji have taken such a beating in the west without some fuckery on youtubes part. I don't believe in the "male debuff" or whatever because even corps without males are struggling to maintain any sort of growth

>>50873515
>if you arent inclining on a 1k-2k ccv variance per month its just a error bro
the mind of the average # rotted holonigger who thinks the scene operates on the same scale of the jp corpo scene

>>50869833
idk about the males in nijiEN couldnt care less, but a lot of the girls are wtf-hires, NijiJP for fuck sake slap some sense into EN hiring process

>>50870034
NijiEN have for the most part reclined way above average though

>>50873693
>anon >>50870034 makes a general statement that, when taken as a whole, vtubing is on a decline
>presumably Western scene if we want to be specific
>uh you're wrong, faggot
>Shondo is holding on to 50 more viewers this month compared to last month
>that's an INCLINE

Vox doesn't seem to realize half his fanbase didn't speak english and simply moved onto native vtubers who better cater to them.

>>50871582
Pippa is just vtuber sam hyde

>>50873208
Watame got 84K

>Almost 150 replies and still no timestamp or proof

>>50870364
Nearly all of Luxiem's fanbase is inside of Asia/SEA though.

>>50873149
Tempiss and its consequences have been a disaster for holoen

>>50872300
vox wishes he was a normie
dude is a cinema sperg who hates the animated clone wars and jerks off to fnaf and undertale

Timestamp it already you stupid niggers

>>50869922
Least smart sister

>>50870415
Sayu getting raided by other twitch members so her numbers get inflated for one minute before everyone leaves doesn't mean she's well off Zaimon

>>50869833
>Do you guys think NijiEN is dying?
They were getting 10k average CCV (not nijien but luxiem obviously) this time last year and are now like 3k ccv. But the biggest decline is in the last 3-6 or so months when it seemed a new yabbarino came out of niji every week with some retarded drama, cucking, shitting on fans, shutting on coworkers, shitting on other vtubers, shitting on management, management shitting on them.

I literally have no clue why any of this happened. It's not even a zoomer thing because Enna isn't a zoomer but she is a massive source of drama and retardation along with Millie. I guess I would say in my personal experience everyone born after 1990 has a strong penchant to lack any kind of professionalism, which is notable because that's up to the early 30s range where you'd think that a need to portray yourself as knowing what the fuck you're doing even if you don't would have been ingrained. But people are acting childishly well into adulthood and it resulted in them fucking up a relatively easy gig where you get paid a six figure (or whatever niji pays lol) to play videogames and shitpost as an anime man. Plus in Vox' case he got extremely lucky that he managed to pioneer successful EN male vtubers in 2022, after many years of english speaking males had tended to be few and with little success and then he kind of shat the bed.

Funniest thing is that girls like Reimu and Peter who used to be bottom barrel are middle of the pack now because they've inclined simply by not constantly being in the middle of a storm of drama.

>>50870211
BFE/GFE taken too far inevitably becomes RCE.

>>50873754
It's a bit late for that, if you are half decent you don't go for Nijisanji, you either go for a smaller corpo that supports you better, like Idol, or aim big for Hololive. The fact that they will hire basically anyone is the only appeal of Nijisanji for an aspiring vtuber.

>>50869833
Every established chuuba has been slowly declining post-covid except for a select few.

>>50874309
PETER LOVE

>>50873947
>>50870692
Poppa wheelie would need to go on stream getting fucked by a large jewish man to destroy her fanbase.

Rin Pendragon and Ghost in Diapers would need to do a lot more than that to ruin themselves, it seems.

>>50874463

>>50874309
Petra missed her bus to success by being a ball of nerves and retarded enough to think she could stream on a fucking laptop, but overall she is a pleasant person to listen to, contrary to most others from NijiEN.

The biggest problem is everyone in NijiEN wears their drama on their sleeve and they fold to basically everything

What is bothering vox recently? I bet you there's like 5 streams where he goes on about it
What was wrong with Yugo? Oh i dunno, might have something to do with his 3 emotional breakdowns on streams, some 20+ suicide baiting tweets, and him basically being kicked out of other people's discords after he wore out the welcome for the uninvited guest

Same can be said for the Girls
Pomu feeling down? You better believe she's going to tell you every little iota
Enna not feeling it? Get ready for her fandom to get ragged on until she feels better
Did you just lewd Millie/Aia/Elira/Finana? You fucking monster, don't you know they're just trying to have fun?

Compare that to HoloEN, where (barring Mori's BBC Compatible big mouth and Kiara's obsessive need to be constantly in the limelight) the girls usually keep their personal life underwraps
Where's Gura? That's a good question, tune in next time to find out
Why has Ame ditched 3D World? Fuck your mother
What is making Fauna sad lately? Who said anything about that, just watch her build the tree

>>50872772
>Eien is half dead
Only because the shitty flip CEO couldn't write a proper contract and didn't teach her talents proper opsec
>rin's recent numbers
Because she barely fucking streams

Small corpos will succeed if they have non-retarded, non-JP (RIP Kawaii) management, talents that consistently stream, and most importantly, no males (RIP Prism).

>>50874632
>and him basically being kicked out of other people's discords after he wore out the welcome for the uninvited guest
QRD?

>>50870034
No, it's a western thing specifically.

HoloJP is literally in the middle of its greatest ccv average since Coco's graduation.

>>50871118
Also both companies dont invest a dime in EN. What is the point of 3D models if you depend on Amelia's home studio or your oshi traveling to Japan?
What is the point of having 30+ streamers if any branch related project is funded by Selen?

I dont see the point of japanese corpos in EN, inferior models, no 3D studio, permission autism....

>>50874656
>non retarded, non-JP
You don't need to repeat yourself, anon.

He sold himself as a homo/ASMR faggot and think people watch him for interesting streams.

ahahahah.

>>50874677
He would randomly join JP voice calls, and for a while they welcomed the Kouhai, but on top of being "him" in the JP world, he would try to overpower the conversations and have them focus on him. Got to the point where some JP would just up and leave the call and do private invite only VCs, and at least once they told Yugo to leave so they can get back to their collab

>>50874604
Petra missed the bus by trying to appeal to japanese

>>50870937
>>50871038
NijiEN's problem is that the branch cored out the extremely loyal and dedicated OG fans for a giant pile of Chinese money and CCV which fucked right off the second those new fans felt slightly jilted and had newer Kpop groups to play with. So it's not just the fact those Chinese fans left but also that the branch drove off (and regularly to this day make it clear they fucking hate) the baseline fans that would get them through their current viewership crisis.

That said this is all relative. Even as low 4views/high 3views they all probably still make a bunch of money so they're really not worth anybody's pity.

>>50874656
>Small corpos will succeed
>Phase Connect
>Maya 5
>Wactor
>EIEN
>Kawaii
>VOMs post Pikamee
I Still watch Luto when i can but the ecosystem of small corpo is basically cash out ASAP and/or incubators for next big corpo recruitment

>>50874757
I have to specify, since there are still people on this board who unconditionally praise Cover despite them dropping the ball with EN in the past two years.

>>50874819
Fucking menhera needs to be beaten to death
That little skit her RM did made me cringe so hard where she tried to justify ignoring her fans or whatever, typical narcissistic bitch syndrome

>>50873975
One time someone made a thread with a picture of the purple twink from iluna saying he was crying about his numbers and it hit bump limit. They admitted they just made it up in the nijien thread like a week later.

>>50869922
2 posts in and we're already at holostar deflection

>>50873975
I don't watch Vox apart from when he collabs with Selen or Pomu, get a very good dose of big brother with his sister
But even if it is top quality bait, it's been a very long time coming to have the discussion.
World's losing interest in corpo vtubers, Zhang moved on, Westaboos are moving on, how does the core fanbase keep their talents inspired

>>50874632
>Where's Gura? That's a good question, tune in next time to find out
I can't because there's never anything to tune in to.

>>50874812
Not his fault, the first week he was trying to play games he was interested in (he's pretty autistic with FNAF and fightan games) sadly, women latched onto him and management only cares about those big numbers, so he had to do asmr and boyfriend rps. The others got it easier thanks to being funny haha characters more or less (Ike is weird)

>>50874902
>Phase Connect
Doing pretty good
>Maya 5
Who
>WACTOR, Kawaii
Japanese corpos, see >>50874656
>VOMs
Not only are they Japanese, they don't even try to have international presence after Pikamee as far as I know.
>EIEN
Fair, but, to be fair, what do you expect by a company hiring talents from OnlyFans?

>>50874632
this just shows restriction and controls are more important in EN vtubing, because most of the time they don't know when to keep their mouth shut, know their place and boundaries
also that enna thing never fails to make me laugh

>>50875043
If anything, her being menhera made her perfect for NijiEN. Because the branch is fucking full of people that cannot keep their mouth shut when its important

>>50870034
tell that to Phase Connect.
>June 2022 Phase girls who can regularly break 500ccv
>Pippa

>June 2022 Phase girls who can regularly break 500ccv
>Pippa
>Tenma
>Lumi
>Lia
>Shiina
>MAYBE Ember
>MAYBE Dizzy
>MAYBE Jelly

>>50870446
but Vox is male Rosemi...

EN and JP have cultural differences and streaming differences are so far apart and not just le idol culture xD
It's work ethic and respect, The JP V-Tubers work hard, They plan various things and they treat the listeners with respect and importance even if they're fucking annoying meanwhile the EN V-Tubers are all about trying to give life lessons to the listners by talking down to them or just simply being lazy.
I don't know how you can call V-Tubing niche when Nijisanji pulls in ridiculous profits or Holo just opened a 15 million dollar studio you think it's niche because EN has no presence because they all they know is being a garbage twitch react streamer.

>>50875447
I'd say Alban or Ren is male Rosemi

>>50875390
*June 2023

>>50875457
>all they know is being a garbage twitch react streamer.
it's funny because holoJP does a lot of shitty react content

>>50869833
Maybe, just maybe - I don't know Vox, if you and your idiotic LIVER friends would focus more on doing enjoyable content instead of infighting, owning the haters and trying to copy Twitch pest mentality - people would be more interested in you and your FAMILY.

>>50875390
you wont know with Ember, Dizzy, Jelly until July once the shiny new toy buff is gone.
They also stand big risk of becoming irrelevant if Phase's Gen3 debuts any time soon.

>>50875457
The reality is that vtuber is still viewed by the public as hateful content. Even in JP.

>>50870074
The holo green woman could have done gfe for another decade if she wasn't so damned crazy.

>>50875503
Definitely not Ren. Rosemi doesn't have a musically inclined bone in her body. And since working on his reps, Alban feels like male Petra.

>>50875678
That's absolute nonsense.

>>50875457
Much of the blame can also be levied on the corporations themselves, and the trappings of Japanese bureaucracy. Both Anycolor and Cover seem hesitant to truly put money into their EN branches. Neither of them are willing to build a production studio in the US which would greatly enhance the efficiency of 3D performances. Neither of them seem will to build a western shell company either, so their talents can dodge these shitty permissions restrictions.
And both of them, especially Anycolor, have management that pushes back too hard on legitimately creative endeavors, or drags their feet on them. Imagine how quickly Ame would have been able to get things done, or how much Pomu would have been able to do, if not for retarded management that needs to run through five levels of upper management.

>>50875844
>Neither of them seem will to build a western shell company either, so their talents can dodge these shitty permissions restrictions.
that would be pointless for hololive. EN has been explicitly restricted from playing some games that they had permission for due to JP not having permissions for the same game. Dark Souls comes to mind.

>>50875644
>>50875390
Ember is sustainable. 10ma is going on break and she is going to collect her audience. She is going to benefit huge from no 10ma being around.
Jelly is in a bad timeslot and wont sustain.
Dizzy is speedrunning her way into burnout. it's been 7 days and she has already been heavy on scheduling buff content up front with shock collar and asmr, the problem there is she will have nowhere to go content wise. by front loading with gimmicks, she is devaluing her regular content because people will come to expect wacky shit all the time.

>>50874186
She managed to keep the viewers' interest from 1.1k to 1.3k for 11 hours playing Genshin. In HoloEn, that's # means nothing, in the current realities of NijiEn, and the fact that she is indie, her numbers are solid, and she already has a core audience that allows her to be a very low 4 view. Dunno about money part.

>>50875844
Studio lol. Do you even know how much it costs. Also the ones who hate idol culture or Japanese style entertainment are nothing but the EN vtubers themselves. They constantly clarify it and even look down on it as well as many of you EN fans. Don't pretend to not know it. Or don't tell me that EN can do better things because of talent freedumb.

>>50873975
the stream was still going when the thread was posted
luckily for you your fellow sisters have already posted timestamps for a lot of it below the video

>>50875908
HoloEn honestly has some of the most retarded managers out there

>>50874349
NijiEN didn't take it too far, they just transitioned to RCE without any intermediate steps. And even so you can still keep the GFE/BFE for at least a decade, two if you are very dedicated. Well for an ameritards that translate to a week or two because reasons.

>>50869833
I refuse to believe he said any of this. I get that he's probably trying to be transparent, but these are just such idiotic things to share with your fans.

>>50876065
Keeping 1k post raid isn't really that impressive anon and as I've explained to you before there's a shit ton of benefits she threw away.
Keep in mind that she also still kinda has a debut buff since she's not streaming regularly yet. She'll likely peak around 700-800 viewers on average which is Maria tier without any of the benefits Maria has.

>>50876079
ok dogfucker

>>50876079
>Do you know how much that costs .
Cover corp is valued at over 140 Billion Yen. That's over 1 Billion USD. I'm pretty sure they don't have to worry about the expenses

>>50874632
>is everyone in NijiEN wears their drama on their sleeve
it is basically branch culture by now to go against hololive and not be a character but themselves on stream. They need to be "muh genuine".
This carries the obvious problem that every time they get criticized they have no character shielding them from it. which generates more stress and more mistakes being made.

9:00
>I personally feel as though vtubing especially, is a very, sort of, there are really strong traditions within this creative spaces. [...] even though our obsession with tradition has enabled us to create a really strong community and family [...] what i worry about is that by following such strong traditions is that we lose the urge to innovate or make really scary changes.
11:00
>What I've recently been feeling is that my formula is really... not only do i feel like people are sort of organically losing interest, which is completely normal, and I shouldn't be sort of dooming about it but... I need to think of something new to do. And I need to change something in a way that's honest to myself.

rambles about some spider capeshit for an eternity

16:20
>recently I've been having a lot of nights where I wind up feeling very depressed and I'll walk out onto my balkony with a beer and wonder "will I ever be that happy again?". And I know that I won't unless I change something.

17:30
>It's difficult to pulls myself from this because it has worked so well in the past and still is working quite well. The thing is, I can't stop because this is my job

20:00
>I think I feel burnt out not with streaming as a whole, but with the never-ending race to release content.
21:00
>Let's think about this stream today, it's not necessarily clickbait, but I thought about just typing "Zatsudan: hey guys I'm back"
>Let's be honest, no one would... There wouldn't 5.5k people here, there might be 3k. A big part of content creation is sacrificing your common sense to reach a higher level of success.

Going through this is a torture and I'm not sure I can be assed to do more.

>>50876079
That's why they should build it out in a Midwestern state with low property tax, instead of being like every other Japanese company and thinking that you HAVE to build in California.

>>50876563
You won't see those benefits if you're being targeted by management anon, she was going to do better as an indie from the get go

https://youtu.be/ZqdEC8tirOo?t=2190
here's your proof
he hates vtubing and his fans

>>50876749
>There wouldn't 5.5k people here, there might be 3k.
classic vox

>>50876850
>>50876749
>Vox unironically goes to /#/

>>50876785
She wasn't "targeted" she was a retard who kept being retarded. I was literally membered to her but when you have to private at least one stream every other week because you either said something you shouldn't have or revealed something you shouldn't have or flat out lied about having permission to do something, it becomes a bit tough to say that you were "targeted".
Literally her fucking debut stream had to be privated because she talked about the glory days of playing romhacks.
I don't disagree that she's better off as an indie because at least as an indie she won't have to private 1/3rd of her content due to Japanese autism.

>>50876785
>Do everything you can to basically spit in the eye of Japanese consumer and copyright laws
>Bring the paper and the ink to draw the crosshair
>"WOW ITS LIKE I HAVE A TARGET ON MY BACK"

>>50877122
I agree, but you can't say she wasn't being treated fairly either when DEEZ NUTS was used as a reason for termination

>>50877197
>Niji "EN"

>>50877210
Unfortunately that's just Japanese autism. If you go about making a logo for a company that already exists and claim to be sponsored by them, jap corps aren't going to find it funny.
In Japan I'm pretty sure corporations have been sued for less than that.

>>50871582
She knows Conservatives are the easiest marks and suckers to scam money from. But they're even more finicky than the Chinese when it comes to wrong think if you don't have a cult of personality to make them excuse whatever you do.

>>50871580
>in japan vtubing is seen more as an off shoot of the big entertainment industries like idols, television, etc
weebs post some hilarious shit sometimes

>>50876749
I imagine that many vtubers have those same fears of losing viewers and thinking of how they can be more innovative.

>>50877443
>conservatives are easy marks
*laughs in fag flag merchandise.*

>>50877210
That's just stacking the deck after the fact
>Zaion, you literally can not shut up about ROM hacking
>You also made a rape joke
>And you slipped your UID in Hoyo games to get tons of gifts
>Your genmates have tried to help you (allegedly) and you seem to revel in rejecting their advice
>And frankly, it seems like you just rub a good amount of the talents the wrong way
>And it's only been a month

>So we're just going to grab every little thing you've done and use it as overwhelming cause to terminate you

>>50877443
She's also starting to slowly distance herself from the conservative crowd. After apparently realizing that nobody actually wanted to deal with her audience of 4chan-lite and KiwiFags she slowed down pretty heavily when it comes to baiting the /pol/ tier crowds.
It won't surprise me if it ends up hurting her viewership when she actually gets tired of them.

>>50876749
>recently I've been having a lot of nights where I wind up feeling very depressed and I'll walk out onto my balkony with a beer and wonder "will I ever be that happy again?". And I know that I won't unless I change something.
Again, as in when he had big noombers?

>>50877590
Where's the Gay NFTs?
Because look at how much right wingers like stonetoss and Trump scammed conservatives with those.

>>50877692
Yes, literally. He's unironically admitting he's depressed because of declining numbers and said in no uncertain terms that the only way to get a dopamine rush is to surpass his previous numbers.
He has actual brainrot and it's hilarious.

>>50877597
And yet she's far superior to any organ they have shat out since the branch was formed.

>>50876749
>There wouldn't 5.5k people here, there might be 3k. A big part of content creation is sacrificing your common sense to reach a higher level of success.
Every content creator has said this, this is why it is not a coincidence to see basically all of them act the same way.

>>50877808
I mean, if you like her grats. I'm glad indie worked out for her
I watched her last stream which involved her talking about and farming Genshin Impact artifacts and i closed the tab after about 30 minutes

>>50875390
>>50871327
Post numbers if you're going to talk numbers
>>50870955
IdolEN numbers have gone down since Rin fucked her momentum at the critical moment. Also the Idol girls who aren't Riro manage to stream less than almost every HoloEN so they're not going to be going anywhere, you can even see the hours here.

>>50877925
His point in saying that was that he "doesn't want" to act like that (abuse clickbait etc.) which is a fucking bizarre thing to say considering HE LITERALLY DID IT and is a massive numberwhore in general.
His whole rant basically boils down to:
>"i want big numbers but without using big number chaser tactics. No I don't actually know how I'll accomplish this"
I guess his chink fujos will be fooled by it.

>>50869833
>200+ posts in just a few hours
Damn you guys really love this man

>>50876563
Benefits?
I have never saw a NijiEN member saying "ty nijisanji for paying this". Even the most famous of the branch pay for their own shit. The only chance for NijiEN to show some competence was the ARlive....

>>50871580
Yes that's why literally every major Twitch streamer is part of some clique like OTK or OTV. That's why the biggest Youtuber is MrBeast who's signed to the same company as a bunch of other big names. Fucking retard never open your mouth again.

>>50870361
>someone took the time to go to these streams, clip these moments, subtitle it, make a webm, and make it a soundpost
Might as well join in on his birthday projects with how dedicated you are, jesus.

>>50876749
Do it

>>50878044
IdolEN is going to a case study in what you shouldnt do alongside luxiem.
Anyways that is one of the drawbacks to letting your talent be contract workers, you really cant force them to put down the hours to earn their wage

>>50871339
Then why are male vtubers more successful than women?

>>50877597
She only made each of those mistakes once, it's not like she wasn't learning to navigate being a corpo

Im at least glad you faggots are saying this about NijiEN and not nijisanji in general
as a nijifan sometimes i wish nijien was just shut down, the en community is too toxic with the holofags and the kpop women. Leave just JP

>>50877590
Sure but on the same page there's a billion of those types of vtubers out there. There's a lot fewer who are willing to appeal to the newfags /here/ and on kiwifarms.
Some of her earlier stuff literally involved pretty much shipping herself with a dude who frequently went on rants about Jews while live

>>50870034
It's because none of them really try to outgrow their content. They're all just weebs catering to weebs.

It's such an incredibly small niche filled to the brim with streamers now that they're all fighting over the same viewers.

>>50878208
Vtubers pay for their own shit, news at 11
thats the default for jp agencies
what anycolor pays is for merch, character model, new outfits, 3D and things that are under their obligation, not personal projects that are done by the own member and arent an obligation.

>>50878355
>I-it's just the EN scene guys, the JP side is just fine!
Who are you trying to deceive nigger? Your JP fanbase is just the JP version of LSF dramanigger.

>>50871750
>>50873140
You do it then. It's been proven that women can't keep up the GFE and now men can't keep up the BFE. Let's see you give it a try. Or show me an example of someone who's kept it up for over a year and stayed sane.

>>50872568
Every second week a small corpo implodes in a shitstorm or has a whole fucking gen graduate or runs out of money (Tsunderia, WACTOR, Kawaii, EIEN).
Phase and Idol have a single member who pulls good numbers and Phase's basically locks them out of most good sponsorships by pandering to a heretard crowd. That's withthe endless torrent of cash they're pouring into their ads.

jfc i hate this menhera. why the fuck those people talk about these kind of things in public

>>50878208
>I have never saw a NijiEN member saying "ty nijisanji for paying this"
You never see other's say "thank you (company)" either unless it's sponsored or was done as a personal investment which rarely happens.
>"but but on hololive suba-"
No.
>"But but the new studi-"
Literal business write off and paid for by investors.

>>50878432
I don't know japanese so I dont need to read it. They might as well not exist to me.

>>50878463
I don't see why someone would go insane. Can't it just be treated as acting?

>>50878355
Let's play a game. Where is Gundo?

>>50876749
This guys brain literally runs on big number = people love me when theres people out there with 100 people who watch them and theyre happier than this sad sack of shit ever will be in his ivory tower

>>50878044
>Tenma is the only Phase outside of Pippa who got a >500 median
>Again, outside of Pippa, no one else in Phase got a >500 average
For all the shills Phase got like >>50875390, I expected them to perform better. Looks like Pippa is pulling the whole ship along

>>50876684
NTA, but I'd argue that the question is if the studio would be worth it.
I meant, how many EN members are going to use an US studio on a frequent basis? How many of them have expressed interest in doing so?
Spending dozen millions bucks just for Kiara's singing & dancing stream or Ame's la creatividad once or twice (heck, makes it 5 times even) a month definitely sounds like a waste of money.

>>50869833
Damn it feels good to be a holobrony. Holo chads stay constantly winning.

>>50878354
The lighter infractions that are one offs were only tacked on when she started doing the heavier stuff. Also a list of "one offs" is in some ways worse than a short list of repeat offenses

>>50878428
>Merch
The talent does not decide shit and only gets money from VP. The image is about Selen daydreaming about merch she is never gonna get.
>Outfits
Retarded merit system, but at least you are right they pay for them.
>3D model
Without a proper 3D studio they are useless. Praying for your oshi to go to Japan is ridiculous.

I dont see the point of working with a japanese company. I think the same about Holo.

>>50876749
Godspeed soldier.
Also vox is a fucking woman mentally.
No wonder he let his best friend rape him and turn him gay.

The real issue here is that NijiEN isn't dying fast enough.

>>50878208
That's what reading the catalog does to you.
Lemme break down some of the benefits.

When you get to go to Japan for any work events. It is an all expenses paid trip, selen talked about how her manager would even give her a daily allowance when she was there for NijiFes. She was allowed to spend this money as she pleased. Later on the livers who were scheduled to appear at NijiFes but couldn't, still got to go to Japan and stay in a nice resort with breakfast and dinner paid for
Livers don't pay for new outfits, livers get a decent cut of voice packs that they don't have to pay for hosting they get free money from merch and even if the 2% rumors are true they don't have to pay for it. If you actually produce your own merch you'd be amazed at the overhead costs. Unless you're selling it at a convention (which costs money to do btw) you're likely going to be earning maybe 20% off of your own merch and that's not even going into website hosting and advertising. And you'll probably be selling a lot less of it.
On top of that you get free 3D, free convention appearances, free advertising and just about everything else.

Of course people never say thank you for any of this because its just what's expected as a vtuber working for a corporation.

>>50877925
Vox is a massive hypocrite considering he made a whole charade about his adhd diagnosis stream reeking in 5k out of simps right as he was beginning to decline

>>50878972
Same holobro,same.

>>50869833
Yes, yes, any day now, I'm sure.
See the problem with you Holobronies is you've made this prediction about a thousand times and you've never been right. You have completely destroyed your credibility. Good luck with the next one when this attempt at drama flops yet again.

>>50878639
Where did the shills go? Did they hang themselves? Or off to another thread to spew lies

>>50878044
>>50878639
I said REGULARLY, not AVERAGE. There is variance depending on content.

For example: their girl Lia, who this time last year was about 80ccv average and 120 was a great day, has pushed around 500 or better in 7 of her last 18 streams. I consider that regular.

On the flip side, she was streams where she pushed 700+, but those are rarer and I wouldn't try to pretend she does that constantly.

>>50878920
>The talent does not decide shit and only gets money from VP. The image is about Selen daydreaming about merch she is never gonna get.
Talent still dont pay for their merch, which is my point

Also I fotgot about original wave song

>>50879130
Not a Holofag but Vox had a meltdown on his stream, you might want to watch that

>>50878920
>The talent doesn't decide shit
yes but they still get money from it. Even if we believe that it's only 2%, vox currently has a perfume for sale that's worth 17.84 it's about to sell out for the second time. Even if we low-ball it and say that they only keep stocks of 1k in the JP warehouse at any given time, that's 700+ USD that he didn't have to do anything to get. and that's just for one item.
There's a shirt in stock right now for 85.63, let's low-ball that and say that he's only sold 100 that's 170+ he didn't have to do anything for.
You really need to realize that having someone produce stuff that earns you money while you do nothing is like the dream.

>>50869922
both are shit

>>50869833
the vtuber boom is dead and we’re in the phase where you actually have to be good to get viewers. tough luck but the days where you be lazy and get paid to play video games is over. Vox especially has been pandering less to fujobux so obviously he’ll lose his viewers

>>50879364
Nta but some of the OP was an exaggeration. Vox didn't say anything about other members

>>50876065
She was making more as an indie than in her old IT job even before niji EN she might make like 2 times more now with no Riku cut.

>>50878543
in my birthing dungeon learning the rigours of pregnancy

>>50870034
No? there are new /lig/gers that have gone from 0 to 500 viewers in record time and there’s literally been Idol, EIEN, and Phase Connect that have gotten a lot of publicity recently. You just can’t handle that Holo and Niji are fading into irrelevance

>>50878543
Gundou is literally one of the most anti'd JPs (and for good reasons), she had the suspension long time coming. And while the actual reason was retarded, she has done a lot of things worthy of it in the past anyway so people don't really give a shit.

>>50879585
Idol EIEN and PC aren't doing so hot either
>>50878044

Western vtubers were just a transient trend like OEL manga or RWBY lol
A few of them will survive but most will go extinct.

>>50878819
You didn't win shit.
You did nothing, they owe you nothing, you're an irrelevant bystander.

>>50869833
>Do you guys think NijiEN is dying?
It better be

>>50878044
>Mori's numbers still that low after she's been relentlessly leeching off everyone with higher numbers than her.
Grim.

>>50879013
I still dont see the point to work with a japanese corpo. A free trip to japan to literally work does not seem very appealing to me. Perhaps its me since i dont give a fuck about Niji/Holo fest.
About merch....is a joke that Holo/Niji never contacted a US manufacturer and pretend us to pay 100 usd in just shipping.
Niji cover the costs of producing, but (rightfully so) keeps the earnings, so what is the benefit for the vtuber?

In terms of work ethic/benefits compared to the west, the japanese corpos are black companies.

>>50878639
Phaseshills only shilled pippa and ignored everyone else, and now people are too annoyed by their begging and shitposting to check the other girls.

>>50879294 (me)
to demonstrate how much Phase beyond Pippa has grown. picrel is from around this time last year. Pippa and Uruka were hosted on Lia's channel and this was a much anticipated collab. Did a great number at the time by iirc peaking at around 600ish. But, that was the power of 3 girls.

3 of the last 5 Lia streams, she surpassed the number in picrel. No Pippa.

and this is just little Lia this time last year. Shiina same thing she has streams where she does numbers. Lumi does her thing on Twitch.

>>50878972
Based and true

The zionists have won.

>>50879780
A free all expenses paid trip to anywhere across the ocean is pretty god damn nice. You find any job thats willing to do that yearly and we'll talk. It may not seem that appealing to you but to 99% of people out there that's a damn good deal.
And yeah the shipping rate is out the ass don't get me wrong but on the same hand it's literally free money. Even if you're earning pennies to the dollar it's something you don't have to worry about producing and eating the costs of yourself.

I will concede that quite frankly if vshojo ever gets their shit together they could be seen as a very good rival to the Japanese corps but until they do there's no real alternative to jap corps. Idol EN, PC, EIEN really haven't offered similar benefits.

>>50878044
Everyone was doing Prism Project numbers like a year ago. The small corpo audience has increased, even if it doesn't look impressive.

>>50878972
Couldn't agree more
I just want Rosemi to quit and join HoloEN gen 3

>>50878818
I mean even if they don't use it that frequently it'd be nice to have a way to get people to a 3d studio without forcing them to drop everything. Holo JP can go to the studio whenever they want but en really can't. It's kinda sucky

>>50880118
fuck off. we don't want any of them.

>>50880118
Tempus is having another wave?

>>50880188
Having a cute, least yab girl that streams and plays vidya and would actually benefit from being in a corpo like Hololive is better than the nonstop constant drought HoloEN gets in, plus it'd be better than another Tempus.

>>50869833
Western vtubing in general is "dying." JP may be as well, but I only watch 2 JPs, so I can't say. It was a covid fad. Normies are moving on to other things, and vtubing will be relatively niche again.

>>50879294
You know Phase is doing well when the once runt of the litter is "only" pushing 500 7 different times in her last month
her doing that number on her own even once seemed like the impossible dream not too long ago.
>>50879876
Pippa not withstanding, Lumi, Shiina and Lia are 3 of Phase's biggest growers in the last year. Now consider they directly overlap eachother and take viewers away from each other.

>>50880427
it's literally not true, that narrative has been debunked already. Western vtubers are inclining across the board besides Niji and Holo. It's literally only Niji and Holo that are declining

>>50870275
Vtubers asking this like this from their fans is pointless
People are scared of getting banned or dogpiled as the one guy/girl who offered constructive criticism
Hell, there are probably people in his stream chat telling him to change nothing and that everything is perfectly fine and they love him while the dude knows his analytics and can see them falling and that things are clearly not fine

>>50880678
>holoen declining
Wonder if it's due to the fact that they think cute girls don't work anymore and are trying to shove dicks in our faces for almost 2 years straight

>>50880678
Not really. Most big indies haven't really declined but they haven't really inclined either. They've stagnated and a lot of them are kept alive solely because of reaction content and quite frankly I'd rather have my oshi decline than sit there eating while someone else's content plays in front of them

>>50880958
HoloEN would be doing fine if they just released EN3 already., I think Bae is even incliing a little
NijiEN just put al their eggs in a crappy dollar store chinese basket

>>50869833

The appeal of Vox was always his voice. There's nothing else there, and of course people aren't going to hang on that forever.
As for Niji as a whole, the company takes people based purely on past numbers and nothing else. Literally NOTHING else. This isn't even a secret, it's blatantly obvious to anyone who has ever looked at their publicly available application.
When you only pull in content creators to your agency based on numbers you get people who were big, but not necessarily good. It's why competing agencies keep finding fantastic people while Niji gets maybe one equivalent talent every 3rd gen.
Other than this I doubt there's any way for the current members to improve. They are at their peak and their peak doesn't seem good enough to maintain viewers in a market that has exploded. People can't just change how creative they are, everyone has a peak and Niji exposure pushed quite a few people well beyond theirs.
They also just pulled in way too many fucking people in way too short a time

>Nijisanji is dying
>Nijiniggers are killing themselves
>Hololive is thriving
>Holochads celebrating
what a beautiful day
hope this faggot kills himself too, along with his cumdumpsters
>Millie
>Enna
>Reimu
>Rosemi
>Finana
>Elira
>Pomu
good riddance

>>50881066

why is this type of content even so popular
every indie I watch that people say is good just reacts to the same youtube videos I could just click off and go watch, and their reactions are always either terrible acting or just the same reactions any normal person would have

but its like, all they can do
almost like they got big by nepotism or looks but never had the creativity to actually be fun

>>50869833

>>50880647
tbf Lia has wide variance depending on her content. Zatsu stuff draws very well and makes you think she is gonna be big time, but if she puts on Genshin, League etc she is in the 125 or lower range. Genshin TANKS her.

>>50872847
36:30

>>50881517
>has content that does very well and chat is flying at lightspeed
>but also has known debuff that takes things back to comfy size and more intimate chat experience
sounds perfectly balanced to me. best of both worlds.

>>50881517
Is Lia the one who flirted with a discordgroomer during her ASMR stream?

>>50881793
no that was Pippa

>>50869922
holy rent free kek unironically, Vox would have been much happier in holostars.

>'holo' mentioned 57 times
Why?

>>50881420
Because zoomers unironically need 30 things going on at once to enjoy something. The more shit you add to your stream to make it more zoomer friendly the better it does.

Even notpikamee is at her peak viewership when she's doing reaction content and literally for one of the "reaction" streams she sat there eating while videos were playing in the background. It's not even fucking innovative it's just stupid

>>50870379
Their debuts get more CCV than ever but it doesn't translate into fanbase or a "box", no surprise considering they've rebuilt it around a bunch of faggots like Vox,

The EN market started declining because the vtuber experience transitioned from anime characters streaming to a person streaming with an anime avatar since Covid. What’s the difference between a fleshtuber and a streamer with an anime avatar talking in the background while you do chores, drive, game, hobbies, etc.? The model stops being a factor and it’s up to how entertaining the streamer actually is. Don’t know about Vox, but some roommates had already declined from their heyday. Unless they want to create weeb-adjacent content or innovate in the vtuber scene, they shouldn’t expect too much of a difference after the debut honeymoon.

>>50870937
en3 won't come out, if they do i won't believe it. i'll start taking my pills again because it has to be a schizophrenic fabrication

>>50882114
because hologods rule this board
everyone in this board is either a hologod or hologods live rent free in their heads

>>50870967
they've crippled the girls too in the long run

>>50869922
damn the sisters got mad af at this post

The Vtuber scene is set by Hololive. Without EN3 the vtuber english scene has been completely listless. We won't know anything until EN3 comes out.

>>50870967
>The top girls in NijiEN have dropped maybe 500 viewers each.
Pomu used to average like 3500 now she average 2100. They lost over 1/3 of their viewers. Rosemi for example can barely get over 1k now.

>>50878533
Good actors are in LA doing big things and mentally well people are not vtubers.

>>50869833
The literal KEK company
>treats their fans like shit in general
>Constant cross gender collabs
>all rather play apex 24 hours a day
>drives away all their fans because they rather masturbate eachother
surprising

>>50881350
nijien dying is irrelevant to Nijisanji, retard. almost 90% of anycolor earnings are in JP, and their most popular are in JP