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https://twitter.com/EIENproj/status/1665516473794822145
>We do not have a non-compete clause in our contract
>We have not attempted to make any contact with her since she's submitted her leave
>Nor have we threatened her with any legal actions

Huh, so it turns out Riifu really was a lying piece of shit.

>> No.50779558

>"numbers"
my sides

>> No.50779579

She did everything at this board's bidding. Consider this an accomplishment.

>> No.50779668
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50779668

>>50779437
>"numbers"

>> No.50779702
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50779702

Let's see some evidence.

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>>50779437
>EIEN damage control
Please just let your shit company die so kilia and skye can start again under competent managers.

>> No.50779867

>sharing IRL images of her body after management denied her request
Of fucking course
Reminder that GFE cucks simped for this whore btw

>> No.50780019

>>50779867
Her pushing 3dpd content as a vtuber wasn't the worst part.
After her termination, she went on a big rant on how EIEN wouldn't let her stream "for her fans" and she was being held back from starting her activities again because of her contract under fear of being "sued".
Turns out they never contacted her after she left.

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50780073

>publicly sharing IRL images of her body after management denied her request
Whore.

>> No.50780102

>>50779867
For the record, the only thing shared was ONE picture of heavily obscured feet in pantyhose, during a puzzle game with youtube prechat chatters (~25% of her fans).

>> No.50780108

>>50779437
pretty painting you tried to paint there? why you dont back it up with some evidence you rat, i know either you posted this or you are reading this post

>> No.50780150

>>50779437
You think retards and simps would believe any of that shit? Why do you think half of this board is untrusting of any corporate statements retarding their oshi's graduation and termination? Fucking hell, there are even die hard simps still blaming hololive for unjust termination of Rushia despite the convincing evidence from all parties, it's just that she couldn't shut the fuck up during the debacle while her manager were dealing with the court against the faggot who sabotaged her.

>> No.50780253

>>50780108
What fucking evidence, riifu said the corpo did a bunch of things and they just said they didn't
They can't prove something that's not there, retard.
Do you really think they would do that? Release a false statement Riifu could easily contradict?

>> No.50780277

>>50779668
Proof numbernigs need to be exterminated

>> No.50780289

There are two more pages that you need to click the Twitter link to see.

>> No.50780310

>>50780108
they literally have everything to lose by lying, they don't want to get fucking sued

>> No.50780321

>>50779437
>>We do not have a non-compete clause in our contract
>>We have not attempted to make any contact with her since she's submitted her leave
>>Nor have we threatened her with any legal actions
All of these are counter-claims, not evidence. One of the parties is blatantly lying, that's for sure. But there's no supporting evidence for one or the other.

>> No.50780345

Rest in piss Riifu, don't get better and kill yourself soon please

>> No.50780378

>>50780321
So it's fair to assume that the one making the claim is the one lying since the burden of proof is on her?

>> No.50780386 [DELETED] 

>>50780321
And I fear we will never know which one it is. This obviously poorly run (Corrupt, in my opinion, but that's debatable), will continue on...

>> No.50780410

>>50780321
do you want the company to leak their contracts or something?

>> No.50780422

>>50779437
Has Riifu's rm gave her own side of the story or are we just forced to believe some corporate statement that took nearly 2 months to compose?

>> No.50780437
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50780437

TOTAL
NUMBERFAG
DEATH

>> No.50780455

>>50779437
I believe them. Riifu was always known to be menhera and it seems she didn't care for the corpo lifestyle.

Also, her pretending to not have a real life relationship was kind of a shitty thing to do, for the "numbers" and for her fans.

>> No.50780492

>>50779437
This is Gabe's curse. He does not deserve happiness.

>> No.50780502

>>50780410
Sure, why not? What's the problem with that?

>> No.50780510

>>50780410
Serious question, as long as identifying information is redacted why not? Why not make contracts a matter of public record (in general, not just in this instance)?

>> No.50780512

>>50780310
No company ever lied and and starved out the other party with overly long trials or just payd out of court with an NDA signed.

>> No.50780514

>>50780253
so release false statement that cant be contradicted with ease is the solution? then im a fed, but i cant say where and you need to trust me, bc i say im a fed
statements needs evidence to be believed

>> No.50780530

>>>>>>>>>"numbers"
headache inducing

>> No.50780541

>>50779437
good riddance lol, can't wait until all the whores in this dogshit company go under just like riifu

>> No.50780653

>>50779799
what about kiki?

>> No.50780652

>>50780492
The funniest thing is that half of EIEN viewers are even bigger cucks than that faggot

>> No.50780661

>>50780253
>Do you really think they would do that? Release a false statement Riifu could easily contradict?
Nijisanji does that all the time LOL

>> No.50780672

>>50780510
>Pay a lawyer to write a contract
>Expected to upload it afterwards to appease (You), a nobody
>Someone else goes ahead and copies it for their own gay little vtubing startup OR they just find every single loophole and feed the info to their internet girlfriend
how would you feel if you spent money on legal documents and then some faggot cried for you to publish it

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>>50780653
Kek

>> No.50780728

>>50780386
>And I fear we will never know which one it is.
We will if it turns into an actual legal battle.

>>50780378
>>50780410
Neither side is in the position where they can freely support their claim.

>>50780510
>Why not make contracts a matter of public record (in general, not just in this instance)?
Competition with other companies.

>> No.50780741

If EIEN had balls they would sue the shit out of the whore for slander until she's homeless

>> No.50780829

>>50780728
>Competition with other companies
You seem well versed on this shit, what does this mean? Are contracts so unique (or vulnerable) that they need to be private? Seems sketchy.

>> No.50780854

>>50779437
where are the faggot anons that called her "fauna killer", why they so quiet now?

>> No.50780894

wait did rifuu said something after she was fired?

>> No.50780900

>>50780854
They're busy trying to pretend the corpo lied and their grifter whore would never do such a thing

>> No.50780962

>>50780653
lol

>> No.50781000

>>50780894
Nothing (official), but she opened a Discord afterwards and ran it like 1984 (no mentioning of EIEN or anything law-related). She insinuated some stuff about behind the scenes being terrible, her genmates being lovable and genuine, mods from EIEN Discord stalking her in this Discord...

>> No.50781015

numberfags BTFO

>> No.50781028
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50781028

>Moeri became her personal mentor
>Riifu initiated the termination

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50781154

Am I supposed to read all this?

>> No.50781196

>>50781028
She terminated herself...

>> No.50781197

>>50779558
>>50779668
>>50780277
>>50780437
>>50780530
>>50781015
MOST

>> No.50781247

>>50781197
WONDERFUL

>> No.50781296

>>50779867
>It's bad when someone that isn't Japanese does it.
The double standard of you retards.

>> No.50781324

why do psycho bitches join a corp if they don't want to follow rules

>> No.50781364

>>50780894
Opened a discord server and ran it 1984 style. No talking when she wasn't there. Mods and staff from EIEN were in it, likely spying.

Did a watchalong of the entire LOTR trilogy has a final sendoff before closing the discord server, during which she talked about how lovely the girls were and to still support them without saying any names. She also said how bad things were behind the scenes before she quit and how she just wanted to be left alone from them.
No telling how much of what she said is true, or how much of what EIEN said is true. Unless a legal battle ensues I'm more inclined to trust the individual over the corpo, but that's just my personal stance on things like this.

>> No.50781430
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50781430

At least watch one stream before talking like you know her. She streamed everyday for a while, it was fun!

>> No.50781434

>>50781324
Clout. These whores are absolute sociopaths and clawing their way to "numbers" is all they care about.

>> No.50781483

>>50781434
Already was more successful than the corpo on her pl accounts. She just wanted to try something new.
At least do your reps before posting retard.

>> No.50781556

>>50781197
WORTHLESS SCHIZOPHRENIC PATHETIC SUBHUMAN THREAD

>> No.50781640

Riifu was a psycho bitch from day one and all the cucks who simped for an Onlyfans whore because they wanted to groom her on Discord should kill themselves.

>> No.50781680

>>50781640
True and based

>> No.50781683

>>50781364
>No talking when she wasn't there.
Of all the rule one can make, this one just sounds insane. Not that EIEN is a well run corpo in the slightest, but it's just as likely she's menhera as fuck.

>> No.50781695

>>50781640
Unfactual

>> No.50781736

>>50781683
She simply didn't want people to talk about EIEN in the server. There were no moderators, it was just her. She didn't want to stress about it while she wasn't online.

>> No.50781761

>>50779437
another e-girl that wouldn't survive doing literally any other job besides being a whore online

>> No.50781778

>>50779437
This seems really unnecessary. Dragging her through the dirt like a month later. Did people still care?

>> No.50781788

>>50781364
>quits for posting irl pics after being EXPLICITLY TOLD not to
>not fired, QUIT
>doesn't mention it
>says the corp is muzzling her
2 months pass
>corp statement mentions the pics thing
>says they're not muzzling her

I'm sorry but why would you believe her over them? She's acted completely insane before, this is nothing new.
It's like if you were in an elevator and someone farted, are you gonna accuse Farter Jim or Stacy from HR? Hmm.

>> No.50781808

>>50781640
based and death to all cucks

>> No.50781835

>>50781736
>She didn't want to stress about it while she wasn't online.
Yeah but that's not how the world works. Thus why she was menhara for thinking it was.

>> No.50781850

>>50781788
>pics
1.
I trust not Riifu, nor EIEN.

>> No.50781865

>>50781778
It is unnecessary, it comes across as very petty regardless of how much is true.

>> No.50781881

>>50781778
the only people still talking about it were /here/ they had no real reason to make the statement

>> No.50781929

>>50781835
What are you even trying to say retard? She didn’t want to have to watch and ban people for speculating needlessly about EIEN in the new server. Can you even read?

>> No.50781961

>>50781364
It's incredible that people would rather trust a crazy bitch, because "corpo bad". No one putting out futa horsegirl blowjob asmr on the hub is mentally stable.

>> No.50781982

>>50781430
I made this fucking edit and nobody acknowledged it, I love you

>> No.50781994

>>50781736
>She didn't want to stress about it while she wasn't online.
Then don't make a Discord server? You're either really bad at reading people or infatuated, there's no reason to defend insane behavior like that.

>> No.50782008

>>50781881
>>50781865
>>50781778
Eri said she would in the Riifu termination post, so she just upheld her promise

>> No.50782018

>>50781430
>>50781982
I chuckled a bit, just very unsure and on the fence right now. Add a border around the text next time.

>> No.50782056

>>50781850
Have you considered she said she "wasn't allowed to stream" so she could get sympathy from her fans while having an excuse not to do anything for them?

>> No.50782069

>>50781788
>quits for posting irl pics after being EXPLICITLY TOLD not to
it was 1 single feet pic if corpo statement that was in works for 1 month can't be precise in even number of images how am I supposed to trust the rest of it?

>> No.50782096

Leaked phone call between Riifu and her manager.

>> No.50782130

>>50781865
It is necessary when she's deliberately led people to believe that EIEN has absurd non-compete clauses in their contracts barring any ex-talents from streaming entirely (which wouldn't even be realistically enforceable). That can affect their future hires.

>> No.50782148

That was the quickest crash and burn of a small chuuba corpo I've seen

>> No.50782150

>>50781430
I did, I watched her debut and then tried watching her first elden ring stream
Everything she did and said sounded like your typical whore who gets into vtubing and pretends to be "just like you guys" without even having the slightest clue of what she's talking about, it's obvious that she was only after the money of whatever idiots weren't able to see that

>> No.50782153

>>50781736
That still seems like a bizarre choice and typically isn't how the real world online chatroom works. The right course of action would probably just be to stay active on Twitter or her current social media account, not even bothering to run a Discord server.

>> No.50782156

>>50782056
I only clarified that it was ONE picture. Why are you going on like I said anything else?
I have considered it, but alas, no truth is out yet, only words.

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>>50782018
I fucked up the first time

>> No.50782179

If you're a fan of hers, don't bother posting in this thread. All you'll find here are dramafags and catalogfags that fellate the biggest vtuber company in the world, and would sooner throw their "oshi" under the bus as long as it meant the company looked good.

>> No.50782181

>>50782096
https://youtu.be/WFQK5eF_puo

>> No.50782273

>>50780653
fuck no
I hope her career crashes and burns, it's literally made entirely out of lies

>> No.50782274

>>50782179
>NOOOOOO, you can’t just chastise the actions of a psychotic whore! NOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>> No.50782307

>>50780512
EIEN is a tiny company, they don’t have the resources to do that, you retard. If they were lying, Riifu could just post the evidence. They don’t have the ability to sue her for some bullshit NDA technicality, and their reputation would go down the toilet if they did.
This is a company that just lost its biggest vtuber, you really think they have the time and manpower to do something like that? They’re probably scrambling to fix the mess caused by Riifu’s retardation.

>> No.50782308

>>50781982
I saved alot, pretty sure its saved from the first time you posted it. Regardless of how you feel hope youre doing well, thanks for the good times

>> No.50782310

>>50782130
What's going to affect their future hires is the CEO's willingness to burn an effigy of them more than a month after their departure, while they remain under NDA and legally unable to respond to any allegations.

>> No.50782346

>>50780653
No one cares about kiki anymore

>> No.50782351

You know what you did to the orange dragon and green necromancer. You can't hide from your collective past.

>> No.50782359

Im grateful for her masturbation audio.

>> No.50782361

Real Riifusisters, avoid this thread. It's being raided by people jobs and life experience using "facts" and "logic" to imply you shouldn't give your money to someone who's clearly insane and lies all the time.

>> No.50782369

>>50779437
I KNOW YOURE IN HERE RIIFU'S LAWYER YOURE A FUCKIN COCKSUCKER YA ASSHOLE YA SCREWBALL YA

>> No.50782380

I need whorechuubas, Riifu was almost perfect

>> No.50782416
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50782416

I wish the absolute worst to Kiki both online and offline. I really liked Riifu but I guess she dug her own grave and I'll move on eventually. I hope Skye and Kilia do well and save this dying company.

>> No.50782446

>>50782361
First off, nice typo fag. Secondly, anybody who donates to any chuuba is a fucking retard.

>> No.50782510

>>50781640
Based

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50782559

>>50779799
fishman is gonna poach them....hopefully, sadly that means new models and names though nowadays through Invaders

>> No.50782589

Why can't bitches just like, be normal. At the very least mostly normal. At least 90% normal. It's really not that hard...

>> No.50782619

>>50782559
I dont think even Fishman would go after those kinds of crazy girls.

>> No.50782625

>>50781929
>Can you even read?
Nta, but can YOU read? That’s not possible. If you don’t want to go over posts and ban people who break the rules, then hire mods or don’t open a server. Shit happens, people are retards and break rules. When you’re a content creator, that’s the shit you have to deal with.

>> No.50782629

>>50780829
if a company's contract is out there then it suddenly becomes very easy for competitors to offer better contracts

>> No.50782676

>>50782559
Fishman or idol would be good, anything other than a fucking flip ceo

>> No.50782690

>>50782629
That makes sense, I suppose. Everything in the interests of the company, over the worker...

>> No.50782786

>>50782156
>Why are you going on like I said anything else?
Retard, you literally said something else in your 8-word post lmfao

>> No.50782799

>>50782589
if they were normal they would have normal jobs, instead of pandering to lonely men on the internet for money

>> No.50782802

>>50779437
>unprofessional and inappropriate behavior towards management and moderator
She was hitting on them?

>> No.50782891

>>50782786
That was another Anon, I only clarified your point stating "irl pics" when it was in fact only one.

>> No.50782994

>>50782179
>If you're a fan of hers
I used to be a fan, supported her for the whole two months, wasn't sure what to think after the termination.
She outright said that EIEN was preventing her from streaming somewhere else *AND* was preventing her from mentioning exactly how or why.
EIEN just said that's not true.

Occam's razor.

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50783026

>>50779437
>"numbers"
The one and only truth of the universe.

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50783027

>>50779437
why do chuuba talent agencies always feel the need to air their dirty laundry like this when they part with a streamer?
its so unprofessional, even if the streamer was in the wrong, it makes the company seem like catty little bitches
the mature and professional way to deal with this would be to just issue a generic "artitistic and professional differences" statement and part ways

>> No.50783089

>>50783027
Well at this point does it matter? They still fucked up with the Kiki chair yab weeks afterwards. People are gonna be wary about applying for them if they try and get more talent.

>> No.50783195

>>50783027
they promised an additional statement when Riifu graduated and they delivered. How is this so hard to understand?

>> No.50783254

Let this be a lesson to corpos, don't hire current or former onlyfans whores.

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50783311

>>50783195
i dont give a shit and i dont know anything about this corpo
im just saying this kind of shit would be legit laughed at in any other industry

>> No.50783489

>>50783027
>>50783311
This industry is a joke. Corporations are a joke. Indies go the distance.

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50783526

>>50779702
>A second menhera episode has hit Riifu Evergreen

>> No.50783571

>>50782625
You clearly have no understanding of the situation. She explained everything and I’m not going to spoonfeed you anymore as to the obvious reasoning behind her actions on the new server.
Continue being dense anon, it really suits you.

>> No.50783578

>>50783311
Well on the other hand, notRiifu was throwing shade at Eien as well. The dissenting opinions of NotRiiflings would definitely fuck up Eien in the long run. Eri probably just wanted to clear up some stuff although in my opinion she didn't go far enough to actually prove their innocence.

>> No.50783620

>>50782625
>hire mods
She previously said she wanted to be with her fanbase, no mods, no management. That was her way of running the server with that vision in mind.

>> No.50783713

>>50783489
Yes, yes, 1view Olympus is the only true goal, blah blah blah.

>> No.50783716

>>50782625
>That’s not possible.
It is absolutely possible if you lock all the channels in the server when you go offline.

>> No.50783735

>>50783578
Eri can’t go any further. The statement skirts around hard truths because of fear for real legal action being taken by Riifu. Both parties are undoubtedly at fault here, I’m not expecting anything further but it would be fun to see a legal battle actually occur.

>> No.50783821

>>50783713
>join corpo
>get exposure and fanbase
>cut ties
>fanbase follows you
>you are now free
Easy as pie, no more 1view, no more corpo.

>> No.50783825

>>50779558
>>50779668
She's from /vt/ and hyper focuses on ccv right?

>> No.50783889

>>50783821
but they don't get the models or anything

>> No.50783920

>>50783311
Like the video game industry with Mick Gordon and id Software?

>> No.50783939

>>50779437
anon, do you understand that they do not have the obligation to tell the truth, much less if it is counterproductive for them?, they are going to say whatever its convenient, nothing else, pretty much like any other corpo.

>> No.50783965

>>50783825
She was /here/, indeed, and she literally said it was okay to gatekeep her. She didn't care about numbers.
>>50783889
You don't need a model, PNGs work shortterm, fans will even make models for you if you got a good enough fanbase out of it.

>> No.50783996

>>50783821
She didn't need any of the fans she got from eien she was very successful before starting.

>> No.50784112

>>50783996
Yeah, makes me wonder why she applied in the first place. To learn more about vtubing culture and so?
Either way, I was speaking more broadly about the industry, not specifically about Riifu.

>> No.50784161

>>50783089
EIEN is dead
Kilia before riffu termination was at 400 to 500 view
After the termination she was at 200
After the kiki yab she's now a high 2 view
And the algorithm aren't in their favor too
Kilia will graduate at the end of 2023

>> No.50784188

>>50782802
Naa it was on april fools i think, everyone was impersonating talents as part of the joke, riifu went more riitarded and used a cropped eri porn pic as her display image iirc

>> No.50784198

>>50784112
Think it was mostly to try something “new”. She technically had a model before but hardly used it. She expressed that she just wanted to play the games from her childhood and share them with viewers. She had no other plans really.

>> No.50784256

>>50783735
>Both parties are undoubtedly at fault here

Riifu:
>Posted irl pics against Eri's wishes
>Threw a bitchfit over not being able to keep her model
>Repeatedly got reprimanded for inappropriate behavior
>Quit when asked to follow the rules like everyone else
>Vagueposted on her PL twitter about how awful EIEN was

Eri:
>Suspended Riifu when she didn't follow the rules
>Released a statement explaining what happened

How is Eri at fault precisely?

>> No.50784281

>>50784188
She also told the mods to fuck off a few times.

>> No.50784290

>>50784112
I think she had a really bad stalking experience around the time of her old model attempt. So I think she ditched that to try in a corpo instead to hopefully avoid it? Don't really know just my guess.

>> No.50784363

Its usually not that someone isn't built for corporate VTubing, its that vtuber corpos outside of holo are dogshit. small corpos have really shitty contracts that, usually if given to an attorney, will be deemed unenforceable or illegal.

>> No.50784364

>>50784188
It was this GIF, wasn't it? Not an Eri pic. So not against management.
https://twitter.com/altsome1/status/1638798056182128642

>>50784290
Makes sense, considering her history.

>> No.50784416

>>50784256
Please explain every little detail about what happened behind the scenes between mangement and Riifu.
Surely you know more than everyone else if you feel bold enough to make a post like that.

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50784436

As funny as this may be I want to extend my condolences to riifutomos, because it seems the CEO just wiped her ass with her in this statement.

>> No.50784478
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>>50781028
So this is what happens when you tell somebody to improve themselves.

>> No.50784527

>>50784281
Good, most of them are manchildren living out sad lives on a discord scraping by with crypto money. Im a man child living out my free time on 4chan, so game recognizes game

>> No.50784547

i tend to trust a talent who demands her own termination over a "small vtuber corp"

>> No.50784564

>>50784281
Based. Mods shouldn't be casually joining conversations and starting shit like they did.

>> No.50784581

>>50780102
post it

>> No.50784609

>>50782690
thats all corpos for you

>> No.50784697

>>50784581
It was deleted when I purged my Riifu folder, sorry, I bet some others have it, though.

>> No.50784740

>>50779437
>Your honor, the "numbers" told me to do it.

>> No.50784752

poor riiflings

>> No.50784779

>>50780289
Thanks for mentioning. The faggot OP was too fucking lazy to do it, clearly. That first page sure sounds like there's more to it. Faggot couldn't even make a thread properly.

>> No.50784846

>>50784697
I remember cumming on it. That was a great night.

>> No.50784889

>>50784416
>Please explain every little detail about what happened behind the scenes
Sure, let's go:
>Posted irl pics against Eri's wishes
We have the pictures
>Posted irl pics against Eri's wishes
She said so herself
>Repeatedly got reprimanded for inappropriate behavior
It was literally her reason for leaving
>Quit when asked to follow the rules like everyone else
Are you going to tell us that she still works for the company in secret?
>Vagueposted on her PL twitter about how awful EIEN was
I don't want a ban but any Riifling can confirm

>> No.50784910

>>50779437
>the onlyfans whore with an IRL bf is also a lying psycho
who could have guessed?

>> No.50784927

>>50784846
I sent a tribute minutes after it was posted, good times indeed...

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>>50784581
This is the only IRL pic she ever posted as Riifu. Is this worth a shitstorm from management?
She wanted to show off the new glasses she got and surprised the few of us that were in prechat with a puzzle.

>> No.50784967

>>50784779
it's linked in the OP you fucking shitstain (I am the OP)

>> No.50785033

>>50784935
>Is this worth a shitstorm from management
Management gave her a 3-day suspension, so she immediately quit.
Who caused the shitstorm?

>> No.50785074

>>50784935
>Didnt rip the sauce image
Im gonna have to teach you about how to steal images on the internet anon... i have the image on my computer ill send it in like a week if no one else does

>> No.50785088

>>50784935
The fuck do the new glasses have to do with posting her 3DPD whore feet?

>> No.50785091

so did this bitch go indie or quit vtubing?

>> No.50785102

>>50784935
>She wanted to show off the new glasses she got
just fucking lol

>> No.50785114

>>50783965
>wants gatekeeping
>also wants numbers
The duality of /vt/

>> No.50785121

>>50785091
you will find her on camsoda

>> No.50785141

>>50784889
>Posted irl pics against Eri's wishes
>We have the pictures
Again, one picture only, see above.
>Posted irl pics against Eri's wishes
>She said so herself
False.
>Repeatedly got reprimanded for inappropriate behavior
>It was literally her reason for leaving
True, if it was appropriate reprimanding though, no one can say.
>Quit when asked to follow the rules like everyone else
>Are you going to tell us that she still works for the company in secret?
I don't even know what you're implying.
>Vagueposted on her PL twitter about how awful EIEN was
>I don't want a ban but any Riifling can confirm
True, deleted (I assume to cover her bases in case of legal actions). Again, not sure if warranted.

>> No.50785154

>>50784889
You keep saying pics. It was just one.
I’m a Riiflingz I was present for every stream, prechat and for every moment during the new discord.
Nobody has any real idea about everything that actually happened behind the scenes except Riifu and Eri. If you want to take a corporate statement at face value that’s your choice. I prefer to stay neutral until if/when the actual truth comes out.

>> No.50785165

I'd trust a whore before a company any day

>> No.50785185

>>50785088
She thought it was funny simple as. She was going to do hands but memes you know? Having fun with her fans

>> No.50785198

>>50784935
>She wanted to show off the new glasses she got
G L A S S E S?

>> No.50785221

>>50785165
but the company is led by a whore? I don't see your point

>> No.50785316

>>50785221
A whore can be in a company, but a company is not a whore.

>> No.50785397

>>50785316
You say that, but ive been fucked by comcast more than my dog, and i have ALOT of peanut butter

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>>50785397
You got me there.

>> No.50785721

all small corpo drama is the same
>menhera chuuba is uncooperative
>does some crazy shit
>terminated
>shit flinging between corpo and whore
and this is why i'll never watch small corpos. they're all like a house of cards, one bad day or crazy whore away from collapsing in on itself

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>>50781961
She does what?

>> No.50785942

>>50785316
companies are always whores, wtf are you talking about.

>> No.50785965

>>50779437
Got it, she went menhera.

Sucks, she was my first fave from a smaller corpo.

>> No.50786023

>>50785842
Jorge Cantsandya is the funniest chuuba ever.

>> No.50786037

>>50784935
Didn't she do more on discord?

>> No.50786107

>>50786037
Nope, this is the only IRL pic she posted as Riifu. Kilia posted multiple pictures of her hands though.

>> No.50786277

>>50779437
The fuck did they expect to accomplish hiring "her" of all people to be a vtuber?
Bitch is a huge fucking menhera, everyone knows it

>> No.50786279

>>50781961
Please share, which one of the multiple pls was it?

>> No.50786305

>>50785942
I was trying to think about a counterargument to that, but yeah, companies are usually whores.

>> No.50786372

>>50779437
Eri if you're reading this, everything you've done so far is great, you had the best marketing for a new company and I hope you don't blame yourself and still manage to find success and happiness in your project. You are shoveling up the wrong shit though, it was Kiki's drama that's putting me off the company and that's the only thing I hear about EIEN in other circles, Riifu has been contained to crying mommytards in /here/

>> No.50786441

>>50786279
It sounds like you already know the pls, just search it up faggot

>> No.50786520

>>50786107
I'm pretty sure there was other pics going around the way people were talking

>> No.50786602

>>50786520
There was not. Only the one IRL pic posted while she was Riifu.
t. riifling since predebut

>> No.50786633

>>50784161
Kilia just got back from a month long vacation in the US you stupid bastard.

>> No.50786747

>>50786633
And she was welcomed back by a whopping 108 viewers.

>> No.50786774

>>50786520
Again and again, only ONE picture was posted as Riifu.

>> No.50786795

>>50786633
Just in time to miss the very easy bandwagon of educational youtube shorts

>> No.50786956

>>50782676
Please for the love of Kiz, be there another relatively big flip vtubing agency and not headed by that cheater I forgot the name of.

t. Flip Holo main

>> No.50786964

never fall in love with a whore, this has been said since time immemorial and you retards still fall for it

>> No.50787024

>>50786774
>>50786602
Ok but if you're holding out on me I'm going to be upset, I wanted moar

>> No.50787048

>>50784935
If they told her not to do exactly that and she posted it anyway, it doesn't matter if she posted just 1 or more

>> No.50787119

>>50783254
It worked out for Hololive though?

>> No.50787124

>>50781778
Eri said she would follow up on it. But also there were rumors that spread not just on /vt/ but everywhere especially about the non-compete clause when there wasn’t one to begin with so they probably wanted to debunk it and move on.

>> No.50787186

>>50787024
Not those anons but yes there was only ever 1 pic. We could have gotten an ass pic but her riiflings were too beta to want to see it.

>> No.50787209

>>50786633
is she the "white people bad" person or is that the other one? (not the selling her brothers sweaty chair one)

>> No.50787253

>>50787209
Kilia is the “white people bad” one. The chair one is Kiki.

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>>50783311
You mean the other industries where if you were shit talking them still a month later with fabricated lies and had a sizable following repeating what you are saying would also make a counter statement to call you out or start a law suit to sue you for defamation?

>> No.50787317

>>50787024
No. I am honest. Only one picture as Riifu.

>> No.50787391

>>50784161
not a single statement in this post is true

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why are women so mentally unstable?
jesus christ dude

>> No.50787465

>>50787391
They somehow managed to get every single number wrong…it’s actually impressive.

>> No.50787534

>>50787305
SShhhhhhh, people here don't know how the real world works. Let these vtuber experts believe their own fantasies.

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>>50786964
You make it sounds like we had a choice, we didnt choose to fall in love, it was inevitable. She was simply everything i ever loved, qnd she wanted to share it. A thirsty little turnip brought alive by the fresh moisture only her supple wet anus could provide. I would eat clods of feces out of her anal cavity for days if it would mean i could get her back. Maybe this time she can be a star or a sun vtuber... because she was my sunshine.

>> No.50787597

>>50786747
she had more than 200 viewers on her comeback stream

>> No.50787646

>>50787544
you're an idiot

>> No.50787669

>>50787597
Nta but she got raided. Her average CCV today was back to normal between 100-115

>> No.50787714

>>50779437
I thought they were stopping her from doing her other content. But this is extremely dumb. Absolute woman moment.

>> No.50787717

>>50787646
you weren’t there

>> No.50787725

>>50787646
No, im a riitard

>> No.50787850

From what I'm understanding Riifu wanted to use the work experience she got from her previous job to get the numbers as Riifu but management thought it was too extreme and said no but to Riifu it meant they were denying her of her precious numbers so she went crazy, is that it?

>> No.50787861

>>50787544
>A thirsty little turnip brought alive by the fresh moisture only her supple wet anus could provide. I would eat clods of feces out of her anal cavity for days if it would mean i could get her back
You make this sound like a bad thing...
I did fall in love, or so I thought. It was only a temporary infatuation, brought on by my own loneliness. I have no stake in either side of this argument, just a desire to know what went on.

>> No.50787870

>>50787717
>>50787725
0 sympathy for cucks, especially when you knew about her history

>> No.50787945

>>50787850
Not sure how you even got to that assumption reading this.

>> No.50788047

>>50787850
Quite possibly the least accurate read on this situation I’ve ever seen.

>> No.50788080

>>50787870
>cucks
People keep saying this, as if VTubers aren't selling a fantasy. You're not her boyfriend. I don't want to watch a girl with a boyfriend doing GFE either, I get it, but I rather don't want to watch or invest in ANY GFE any longer, it's just stupid.

>> No.50788108

The fact half of the thread defends an openly OnlyFans whore full on pushing her flesh OnlyFans porn through her corpo vtuber cgannel speaks.
Seek jesus you fucking coomers and get the fuck out of vtubing scene

>> No.50788134

>>50787870
She didn’t hide her pl. She told her viewers about in her debut 2.0 stream. She may have been a whore, but she was an honest one.

>> No.50788179

>>50779437
>posting irl
Well is she hot or not

>> No.50788191

>>50788108
>The fact half of the thread defends an openly OnlyFans whore
Unfactual.
>pushing her flesh OnlyFans porn through her corpo vtuber cgannel
Blantant lie.
>Seek jesus you fucking coomers and get the fuck out of vtubing scene
On it.

>> No.50788282

>>50788179
Pale, nice ass, skinny, got a Scottish face though. Would fuck her but she’s definitely not a 10.

>> No.50788298

>>50788108
half of the thread is only actually like 3-4 posters really, doesn't really amount to much though, reality is those coomers weren't even wanted by a drug-addled onlyfans streamer, and she lied to them in order to try to break things off and make a 5th alt to run with; so until they find the new alt she made they'll stick around /here/ forever

>> No.50788304

Who?

>> No.50788327

>>50788304
Fauna

>> No.50788422

>>50788304
My former lovely
Beautiful honest green whore;
Dead, not forgotten

>> No.50788431

>>50788327
Ceres Fauna is the Sylvester Stallone of Vtubing.

>> No.50788435

>>50788134
that's make you even more of a fucking idiot

>> No.50788473

>>50788304
a literal whore

>> No.50788531

>numbers
So was posting pics of her body On Twitter getting her up to like 50 viewers, lol. Who the hell is this company? Never heard of em

>> No.50788609

>>50788422
You mean the green bitch with a British accent. Maybe it was Scottish, I forgot.

>> No.50788638

>whore company
lmao. the fish is at leash cute tho

>> No.50788646

>>50788531
Here’s a piece of advice anon. Try reading the thread. Sound out the words if you really need to but I assure you it will help you from making retarded posts in the future.

>> No.50788652

>>50788609
Aye, the one. She taught me much about meself.

>> No.50788680

>>50787305
Yes. NTA but literally shut up and just sue the person. Keep any communication concise and professional and let lawyers hash things out.

>> No.50788853

>>50788652
Which revelation did you have? Did you realize you were a braindead coomer or a retarded cuck?

>> No.50789009

>>50788853
Not a cuck, a coomer I am, but not brainless like some. She made me realise how lonely I was, how easy it was to be absorbed by the slightest bit of attention from a girl. I learned how easy it was to lose control of oneself.
I'm happy to stay away from corporations and streamers for now. Back to lurking and never chatting I go.

>> No.50789268

>>50787544
>She was simply everything i ever loved
there's dozens for that "love" on onlyfans and chartubate unironically

>> No.50789366
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>>50779437
>"Your number back you, Riifu. Push"

>> No.50789478

>>50789268
Do they stream 8+ hours every day, chat about their walks and the animals they encounter? Do they talk about their childhood, the games they played, their parents joining them? Do they watch movies together, several hours long, stay and chat about it?
She might have been a whore, she might have been insane, but what she did was special.

>> No.50789499

>>50789009
Riiiight, good luck with that one cuck.

>> No.50789510

>>50789268
You weren’t there. You didn’t watch her play Elden Ring for 12 hours straight 2 days in a row with us carrying her through. You didn’t watch her share her love and nostalgia for the games of her childhood. You can say she’s simply replaceable, just another internet whore, but many of us didn’t watch her for the coomer shit, we watched her because she genuinely loved streaming and interacting with us during those 2 months and her personality was so fun to be around.

>> No.50789579

>>50789499
You are not listening. I am speaking to you, and you are only saying cuck.
I am not a fan of Riifu any more, I am ambivalent at best.
Cuck is just a word you use to make it seem like you win, we are not communicating, you are only trying to feel good and stomp on people.

>> No.50789796

>>50788080
I don't know about cucks, but people posting goslings and especially "people" associating with them are absolute and utter faggots.
>oh le woe is me look at this sad looking picture of a guy paid to look sad on camera oh my poor soul is so lonely and misunderstood
Fuck off with that shit.

>> No.50789860

>>50789796
>people posting images on an image board are faggots
Damn anon, does seeing Ryan Gosling make you that insecure about your own hideous appearance?

>> No.50789888

>>50789579
I am laughing at anyone who fell for a whore despite the 28 red flags, yes.

>> No.50789943

>>50789888
Good thing I didn't "fall" for her then.

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>>50789796
but.. he's literally me

>> No.50790035

>>50789796
I see your point, even though I find Goslingposts fun (and he's handsome (no homo)).

>> No.50790183

>>50779437
Funny stuff kek

>> No.50790328

>>50782690
This post reeks of cum huffing redditard

>> No.50790476

so, was she sick and dying like she said when she was riifu?
was that a lie?

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>> No.50790479

>>50790328
Meaning?

>> No.50790555

>>50790476
She does have heart problems, and other chronic health issues. Her heart rate reached 190+ at times during streams

>> No.50790590

>>50780829
It become easy for other companies just to ofer better contracts.
Free market!
Companies HATE IT. After all, the btter way for profits is monopoly, and having a contract where they get HIGH % and the talent PAY for model and stuff coff niji coff is Goood.
Thus why companies ALSO HATE UNIONS, because worker discuse salaries and bonuses, then they know who is sleeping with the manager and who is the workaholick bitch. :)
Ho, also scamer can use template for fake contract, THO having public knowlege of HOW a contract should look make it easier to distinguish good corpo from black corpo.
So everything is about Greed vs Transparency.
And yes, i study economics, administeation and accounting.
Just bachelore, dont have money for Uni

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>>50790555

>> No.50790651

>>50790479
It means you’re a dumb nigger and need to go back to your gay little updoot site faggot

>> No.50790672

>>50790590
Maybe study English a little more the next time you’re in class anon

>> No.50790721

>>50789510
You seem to really like her content.
What is she doing now so i can check it?

>> No.50790960

>>50790651
Updoot?

>> No.50791141

>>50781028
She got a lawyer
Smart move.
The "geart felt" corpo writing is clear they DONT LIKE THAT, and smell of unprofessionalism or down right manipulation toward fans
I would WATCH this corpor if i where you.
Is clear they want a TIGHT ship, and Brakes can be shadow suspensions as mention here.
You can agree or disagree on how tight they manage.
But a thing is certain, like with Zaion, termination was the ight call.
Their personalities are waaay too chaothic and they perform better on their own.
Remember, Sayu streams on twitch and has a youtube channel! :D

>> No.50791190

>breaks corpo rules
>gets a short suspension
>quits

>> No.50791274
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>>50791190
based

>> No.50791318

>>50791190
average woman

>> No.50791422

>>50781197
God, /#/ bros really do run the western vtubing world. MOST INFLUENTIAL THREAD!!!!

>> No.50791543

>>50791422
/#/ is just /b/, /vt/ flavored

>> No.50791576

>>50779437
What a menhera dumbass
How hard is it to literally just fucking stream videogames and talk to yourself

>> No.50792599

>>50779437
Damn dis be doin numbers

>> No.50793077

>>50781197
RETARDED

>> No.50793204

>>50779437
Remember when retards were spamming her ugly mug everywhere saying she was a better Fauna
That was a funny two weeks

>> No.50793901

LOL SHE'S A CUNT THAT RIIFFU IS A BITCH GRADE A SLUT

>> No.50794001

What a stupid fucking corpo. Just reeking of damage control.

>> No.50794368

BITCH BITCH RIFFU IS ULTRA BITCH WHORE RRIFFU CHOKES ON COCK

>> No.50794404

>>50793901
>>50794368
bored?

>> No.50794628

Moeri on suicide watch, they did decently well as a small corpo debut month but all went down hill ever since

>> No.50795060

>>50781640
This post is 100% verified truth and facts.

>> No.50795136

>>50784935
this is like that "man takes photo with object, woman takes photo with object" pic but with a third panel for "ethot takes photo with object"

>> No.50795188

>>50779437
Even worse than an actual whore, she was a numberfag, embarrassing

>> No.50795205

>>50795136
You don't understand! It's because she cares about her fans and genuinely loves them!

>> No.50795289

>>50795188
The CEO of a company blaming a talent for pushing "numbers" when the talent in question was okay with gatekeeping herself and pandering to /vt/... Hmm...

>> No.50795290

Still love me Riifu

>> No.50795345

As someone who knew her before this short lived 2nd vtuber attempt she's someone who lies about everything and everything
>"No I don't have a bf pls sub and donate I'm a virgin(something she said multiple times) shut in loser"
>goes on to move in with a brand new bf and releases a video talking about how multiple dudes called her too tight
>lied about being American and threw on an accent that killed her throat just to hide her nationality
>lied about streaming hurting her throat too much to be able to do it at all(which is probably related to having to fake an accent constantly)
Anyone actually taking her word on anything at this point is a fucking moron and that company should be happy the purged her before she fucked it even more

>> No.50795549

>>50795345
>"No I don't have a bf pls sub and donate I'm a virgin(something she said multiple times) shut in loser"
She actually said this?
If you knew this, share it for fuck's sake.

>> No.50795626

>>50784935
Those glasses look like cheap injection-molded chinese crap.

>> No.50795629

>backstabbing certified whore posting 3DPD and using vtubing purely as a grift in a very brief career
>thread still has a dozen simps who carved her name on their hearts
anyone
ANYONE can put an anime girl on the screen, talk into a mic and instantly generate superfans
I just don't get it

>> No.50795687

>>50795629
Yep, vtubers are dishonest by nature. Some don't even have to be vtubers to talk into a mic and generate superfans. Almost as if anyone can lie on the internet.
It's fucking stupid, no accountability anywhere.

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God either say something or go away

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>>50795713
Hey "Ryan", noproblem.
This guy saying anything or just baiting?

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>>50795713
Hes back!

>> No.50796472

>>50795629
Well it’s a lot easier as a girl to cater to coomer brains who have some of the lowest standards out there. It’s sorta interesting how so many of them is out there.

>> No.50796520

>>50796472
Doesn't have to be coomer, attention is all that's needed.
Go into a low viewers stream, chat, get a reply, get addicted.

>> No.50796966

>>50784478
At this point I'm convinced that "improve yourself" is some ancient spell that causes people to go menhera

>> No.50797190

The reactions in this thread are just funny, because all these hololive fans have never had true interactions with their "oshis".

>> No.50797356

>onlyfans whore e-thot is also a liar
whaaaat no waaaaaay

>> No.50797396

>>50797190
mindbroke riitard still upset about its failed discord grooming I see.

>> No.50797459

>>50780661
> Nijisanji is a corpo that focuses exclusively on mass producing Vtuber's at a high rate and filtering them out based on if they catch on or not and has been around for years and has millions upon millions to recoup any costs

> EIEN is a corpo that now has 3 talents, since the 4th had a schizo break over a fucking Steam account and EIEN took a massive blow when said talent decided to say "fuck off" and secretly hired a lawyer.

Yea they're totally the same anon idk how I didn't see that before, you're def not a total retard comparing apples to oranges

>> No.50797647

>>50781483
Is it not at all possible in your mind she only did the Vtubing thing as a way to gain more simps for her pl accounts? The statement from EIEN says she asked what happens "when" she graduates. Asking about something like that not even 2 months after you debut shows she was fully planning to gain clout from Vtubing and tapping into a new market and then dipping and taking the new fans and money to her old shit.

>> No.50797730

>they're still defending the whore
holy shit what the fuck did she do to them, they're like tamed animals

>> No.50797737

>>50797356
>onlyfans whore
Sauce?

>> No.50797768

>>50797730
emotional manipulation uncertainty loneliness just classic stuff bro, cant lie fell for it too and when (if) (probably not) she comes back or someone else takeas the place ill probably fall for the same

>> No.50797788

Believe them?
Believe her?
Doesn't matter. Corruption.

>> No.50797799

>>50797768
what a pathetic cuck lmao

>> No.50798234
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50798234

>>50779437
LOTS OF WORDS I DO NOT CARE ABOUT.
BETTER GIVE ME THE GREEN WHORE'S ONLYFANS.

>> No.50798268

>>50798234
Non existent.

>> No.50798350

>>50798234
>ONLYFANS
It's fansly, stoopid. The one that allows you to read the posts and gives you free samples.

>> No.50798351

>>50798268
nevermind, I found it.

>> No.50798364

>>50798234
>>50797737
>he believed the catalogfags

>> No.50798370

>>50779579
It only proves that listening and believing /vt/ shitposting gets you terminated.

>> No.50798412

>>50798350
>stoopid
RIIFU?! TELL ME THE TRUTH.

>> No.50798578

>>50788680
It's simple really, anon. Lawyers cost time and money. Pointing fingers at someone and calling them a untrustable looney with proof or statements you could easily verify are true in court and thus gutting the amount of people listening to them to irrelevance is free. Why go to court when you can call them a fucking liar and so no one listens to them anymore and they no longer hurt your bottom line (people actually watching and supporting their other tubers)

>> No.50798624
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50798624

>>50779437
>numerals

>> No.50798967

>>50798234
she looks like (and in all likelihood is) a fucking crack whore

>> No.50799066

>>50779437
>Off-brand fauna was a numberfag all along
This is way to funny

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50799151

>>50779437
I'm late to this circus but holy shit how a numberfag can be a vtuber, became successful and then sunk her own ship?
Is she speedruning this?

>> No.50799184

>>50799151
Desu if she was a decently marketed indie instead of in EIEN she'd probably be doing great right now. Her recipe worked, it was just incompatible with a corpo.

>> No.50799191

>>50782559
Sakana knew what kind of crazy he wants to hire.
This girl is different kind of crazy, more like business crazy. And that's not a fun crazy.

>> No.50799202

>>50799151
Try speed running English mi amigo

>> No.50799256

>>50799151
She wasn't a numberfag, easy answer.

>> No.50799278

>>50779437
the numbers /vt/ what do they mean

>> No.50799305

>>50799184
She already has two things that put her in an advantage:
>Being a female
>Being a Scot (with Scottish accent)
You will be surprised how many EOPs and ESLs LOVE Scottish and Irish accent. This is the same as women going sploosh over men with British accent.

>> No.50799337

>>50799202
Oh shut up cabron

>> No.50799387

>>50799305
Her advantage was being an unashamed whore. She got the worst reception of the four during debut, but turned it around fast with intense coombaiting and pandering over long stream hours.

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50799422

>>50799151
>Be a numbefagging whore
>The only talent you have is being a whore
>Next time you walk into the locker room, the manager tells you that you got the wrong door and that wactor/vshojo are two blocks down
>just quit the company
if you think that sounds retarded then remember:
She's female

>> No.50799643

>>50788680
>>50798578
I just realized the logisitical nightmare of hiring someone globally.
Even when EIEN and her live in the same country, they might live in different state. Even lawsuit will be hard even with long distance video call.
It's worse if they hire someone from different country altogether.
What law will be used? Is lawsuit even viable if that country don't have the same employee protection law?
Imagine hiring someone from Philippines and you have to deal with Philippines law.

>> No.50799836

>>50786277
Has she shown menhera before?

>> No.50799997

>>50799836
Yesyesyesyes
But what chuuba hasn't desu

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