/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>who was in the right
>who was in the wrong
>what did _ mean by this
classic buzzwords, surely this will be the thread to make everyone hate this company bro haha
next thing you know you'll be posting basedjaks, put some effort in next time

>who's in the right
Henri was right about everything, and got martyred for it. Now even Pippa is no longer even based anymore.

Fishman, stop being such an enormous faggot over nothing. Edgy humor is your bread and butter.

Anything less than your talents themselves outright calling for black/tranny genocide is not going to get your money kill.
You are Pipkin Pippa, not Donald Trump.

>>50735919
It's not worth hating Phase over this. The problem is they would rather just nuke the VOD instead of remove the offending clip - it was clearly an oversight on Dizzy's part. The new Phase Weekly format was a lot better and now no doubt it will be back to heavily sanitised Shiina clips everywhere and possibly no edited clips allowed so fishman doesn't get scared of another yab being slid into a clip.

>>50735652
Phase is going to die at this rate. Sakana is too much of a faggot and clearly hasn't communicated his vision for the company in a way that the talents also accept, probably because he's a faggot. That's how you get such a massive disconnect between what the talents deem okay and when this yellow monkey decides to step in.
Also punishing the clipfag that got dragged in for some reason.

>>50736018
she was never based.
she never claimed to be based
she just mentioned she liked watching some guys from a certain part of the internet and then all of their fans showed up assuming she had all the same opinions.
you were never a fan. you were a secondary. i'm sorry you had to find out this way.

The Phase girls are all menhera and Dizzy is no exception. I love her, I love all of them, but sometimes they have no self control. That's all a part of being mentally ill and that's okay. It's good that Fishman is there to reel them in when they get too far out.

You can't have George Floyd jokes or anything remotely close to a racist dog whistle. You'll start attracting racists to the stream and worse people will follow. You don't want fringe, edgy people in your community because eventually someone is going to post cp in the discord. It's called toxic because it's like an amoeba that multiplies and eats the brain.

i decided to check the archives just now to see if this phase weekly episode was actually ever uploaded...
it wasn't.
which means the op is making shit up

>>50736543
THE ABSOLUTE FUCKING STATE OF SCHIZOPHRENICS

>>50735652
>The VOD is nuked
Privating the VOD to remove that clip was, objectively, the correct move. Youtube has been known to slap channels for that stuff. I don't agree with Youtube's stance, but it does happen and you have to work within the restrictions of the platform you are on.
>Dizzy is apparently no longer allowed to pick the clips
Dizzy being banned from picking clips, if it happened, is definitely the wrong move. Simple guidance should suffice.
>Azehara gets banned from the Phase Connect Discord
I can't really comment on who is in the right because I'm not in the discord. If they had rules in place stating not to add "offensive" jokes to clips, and he did it anyway, then he's in the wrong. Otherwise they need to actually make rules BEFORE enforcing them rather than banning people for breaking rules that don't exist.

I don't believe you were asking this in good faith because the answers are obvious to anyone with half a brain cell.

>>50736543
They put the VOD back up it seems: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6kb-bUOycs
Dunno if they are gonna unban Azehara then. Lia clip is still there too.

A better question would be why Phasefags don’t stay in their hole.

>>50736377
So she watched Jim for, what, his nasally faggot voice was so soothing? And it was a little more than "mentioned she liked watching." What about Jim possessed her to personally call in on his deathbed?

>>50736629
It's back up, but it skips a bit of the clip.

>>50736499
I know /pol/ hates it but having this type of stuff be acceptable in your company actually hurts businesses. They all follow the big fat dollar bills, and that's the reason companies are the way they are now.

Fishman probably won't tolerate anything overt and they have likely disciplined Pippa a lot, which is why her content has become somewhat sanitized, because Pippa herself understands that it hurts her brand far more than it helps.

If you dislike the girl's content being sanitized, just go watch indie vtubers. Companies will always do this to some extent, retards.

>>50736909
Did they remove the Floyd mention or the planes too?

>>50737107
Just the bit of the Floyd mention (which was a couple quick flashes that I didn't even notice live holy shit why was this a big deal)

>>50736974
And you just removed what made Pippa popular and unique in the first place. Depressed Nousagi and Henri are insane schizos but they're right.

>>50737134
Her popularity is a double edged sword, it gets far more eyes on her dog whistles. That's why she has to keep things from being openly political, such as that one time she fucked with the Twitter freaks but made the post that she didn't care about transphobia.

She's not going to lose popularity as long as she toes the line between based and cringe.

>>50735652
When Phase announced its 1st gen I thought it would be mainly about JPs and ENs intermingling and collabing with each other sort of like the new direction Vshojo is heading towards
Never would I have expected it to turn into THE alt-lite central with the loudest /here/ fanbase, all from the actions of a singular talent.
>but it's not just Pipp-
The other big 2 Tenma and Lumi came on board directly because of her.
And the rest are influenced to the point of no return by her all-encompassing fanbase that's become the norm for Phase no one (except maybe the Fishman himself) really questions it.
It's especially notable on Lia who's changed her entire persona and content just to cater to that crowd.

You faggots know nothing about running a successful; (/>> (Yes I mean Phase Connect, no not being ironic here, you shitheads should seriously kill yourselves) vtuber company. Fishman made a good call. He has potential sponsors to consider and 9/11 jokes don't fly anymore.

>>50737492
Having a bad reputation as a corpo is essentially a deal breaker with most companies. The mighty dollar rules all and no amount of donations is going to convince him that sponsorships with tens of thousands of dollars on the line are less important.

>>50735652
It was crass/a bit tasteless but I mean, it -was- over 20 years ago now. A lot of viewers probably don't even remember it or maybe even weren't alive for it.

I saw it happen live as a kid and it was jaw-dropping, terrifying, it felt like an action movie plot come to life etc. And I think 9/11 jokes are funny. Of course I'm not everyone, but I think the average burger isn't gonna get super-butthurt over it but either think it's funny or roll his eyes at it like one would the usual edgy joke that misses the mark.

>Submit a clip with a George Floyd joke to an infamously sensitive discord presentation
>First show with a new host who hasn't streamed in over a year and is walking on eggshells
>Get banned because you made a combo 9/11 and George Floyd clip that slipped through
Who could have predicted such a thing? Azehara is an okay clipper and it was a decent clip, but what did you expect was going to happen? Make more sanitized clips if you want to run with the discordfags instead of the /here/ or KF/TVA audiences. Phase Weekly needs to be sanitized for fishman and his jannies to be happy.

>>50735919
Just portay them as a basedjack if they do

i dont like how phase has the reputation of being the 'edgelord company' when nijiEN do tasteless jokes all the time, but get away with it because their talents are generally more left-leaning (and desu i don't even know if it's fully accurate to say that phase is right-leaning, only pippa and a couple other gen 1 girls produce content that dives into /here/ shit)

>>50736864
He was her kamioshi

>>50738060
Your common sense reps, anon.
The word edge is used for a reason. Niji lefties saying peepeepoopoo is not near any sort of edge.

>>50737492
>>50737683
And it's the person with the worst reputation who kept bringing in the cash. As they say, No Such Thing as Bad Publicity.

>>50738384
Budlight moment

>>50735652
Everone wanna be a Pippa but they dunno how to be a Pippa

Every dipshit defending fishfaggot has yet to explain how in the fuck a joke with obvious yellow text managed to actually slip through, unless you're not actually watching clips you throw into shit. I mean, putting aside the floyd joke, why would you exactly think having an obvious 9/11 meme be a great idea if you're trying to present a sanitized fucking clip show?

>>50739078
And that might be way dizzy is not allowed to pick anymore?

>>50739202
Yes, it's not like Fishman doesn't have other people to screen shit uploaded to the main phase channel or nothing......Right?

>>50735652
Fuck off, chud. Phase attracted too many of you incels and Sakana is wisely filtering you out. Phase is pro-LGBTQA+ and has a conscience. The fact that that hurts so much says a lot about you.

>>50737492
>9/11 jokes don't fly anymore.
KEK, also those were kept in, apparently only ol' fetanyl floyd is sacrosanct.

>>50739514
Nigger you are STILL at it with your weak bait lmfao. Shitposting wasn't meant for you junior.

>>50739514

>>50735652
>Who's in the wrong here?
It's simple: the clipper is a retard who forgot 99% of the internet doesn't take edgy references lightly, submitted one anyway to an official corporate thing, people didn't notice it while reviewing their submissions because it's a few frames long but then did notice it after it showed up on the official stream, so the stream was taken offline and the clipper was banned in order to hopefully make him notice he did a retarded thing.
Anyone making a big deal out of this, or trying to defend him is genuinely retarded.
Rworded retarded.

Holy kek

>>50735652
Pretty sure Azehara is an open kiwifarmer and their Vtuber thread regular so it's probably for the best to keep away from this transphobes.

>>50736327
His vision was to make a generic chuuba company roughly in the style of hololive, somehow it developed into this edgy blood sports crowd direction and dude have no idea what to do with it.

>>50740182
Latinx faggots like you should be nailed upside down on a cross until starvation, unless you vow to never have an opinion on anything again.

>>50739078
9/11 is fine to joke about.
Saint Floyd is not.
The only people who watch the clips that get shown in Phase Weekly are the people who choose them.

>>50735652
>Edits are made with planes flying in and exploding, also a George Floyd "I can't breathe" joke is slipped in
kek, they actually made something fun?

>>50740592
hi Azehara tell Nolan to stop being a giant faggot

>>50737724
You can say that "America deserved 9/11" and still be a mainstream streamer no problem, that Pink Floyd joke was probably worse though.

>>50735652
Fundamentally Phase Connect is at the wrong here because they're the ones amplifying the issue.
The edits in that clip were distasteful and offensive, but not unacceptable. It's a type of humor that is enjoyed by many but certainly not what the company wants to associate with directly.
That much is fair so a correction is needed.
But what they've done is blow it up out of proportion and made it worse than it had to be with nothing to gain.
All they had to do was make it clear they did not endorse the edits made to the clips without making a big deal of it.
The only people watching that show are fans anyway so they won't mind the edits anyway and making a bigger deal out of it might actually attract people who could be a problem.
The only real issue here was not properly reviewing clips they were going to use.
That's what they actually need to fix in the future to prevent similar situations and avoid potential issues down the line.
Letting an actual talent pick the clips was actually a really good idea, people have forever complained the clips they choose are boring and this was a step towards improving that. One bad clip isn't worth scrapping that change entirely, it's an overreaction.
The real change they need is to simply review the clips before they use them.
Banning the clipper from the discord is also stupid, if he was behaving well there then what is the point of banning him? For all we know he used it to communicate with other clippers, fans or talents, and it helped them coordinate their work getting good clips. This was beneficial to the company.
Banning him just hurts them and it also makes them look poorly towards their fans who respected the clipper.
All they had to do was ban that clipper from being used for future weekly phase shows, since it's clear that clipper is into edgier humor than what they want to officially promote in their channel.
Those are really the only two changes they had to make.
Everything else is basically just shooting themselves in the food and banging their heads against a wall like retards and it's not doing them any favours.

To TL;DR it:
Letting talents choose clips is good, to avoid a situation like this in the future simply review the fucking clips before the show. Going back to how they worked before is only hurting them.
The clipper did nothing to deserve a ban from their community, his clip was just too edgy for their official channel, simply banning his clips from the show is enough. Banning him from their community only hurts that community and the company's reputation among fans.

>>50738060
Phase is more pro freedom of speech leaning while NijiEN is more twitlonger and hash tag cancel X leaning.
Otherwise neither is really political and both can be yab. NijiEN is much more sexual though.

>>50742033
lots of words but overall, agreed

Why would you expect anything else from Pride Connect?
They've got their footing and now they're going to use that to springboard to a different audience
A tale as old as time itself
They don't want your types anymore

>>50742247
They would have never accepted that clip be real.

How is 9/11 still such a big taboo for americans, no one is allowed to say anything about it, especially make fun of it.
I mean sure it's a bit tasteless to make fun of the dead, but if someone says some shit about the 1999 russian apartment bombings where over 300 people died, or the 2002 moscow theatre hostage crisis or the famous tokyo sarin gas attacks, no one really cares.

>>50742477
Making fun of 9/11 isn't the problem, it was that it made fun of a saint of America (a nigger), which is sacrilege.

>>50742477
>>50742600
Some people do care about 9/11 but those people don't have actual influence so what they think doesn't matter.
It's the other part that was the real issue.

>>50742033
>they're the ones amplifying the issue.
So taking down the vod to edit the offending part out, banning the clipper, and doing literally nothing else, essentially pretending it never happened counts as amplifying the issue?
How do you even reach that confusion?

>>50742898
>Banning the clipper.

God I hate Phase. Definitely the post-2016 4chan corop.

>>50742955
>break rules
>get banned
WOW

>>50743244
He didn't break any discord rules.

>>50743293

>>50743348
Cool, he didn't break that rule.

>>50743381
>dude confirms he did and is well aware of it
>anyone can see that George Floyd jokes count as at least two of those examples
>"uh no actually no he didn't break any rule"
Whatever your voices insist is the truth.

>>50743466
He didn't do that in the discord so he did not break the discord rule so it makes no sense to ban him on discord but they did it anyway thu they are retards that listened to the voice of hubris in their head and did something unnecessary and detrimental.
Like said already they fucked up by not doing their job and this is their overcorrection.
Over corrections like this are never good, they are always a sign of problems under the surface.

>kick henri out
>azehara gets banned for a harmless joke
>xalamon is more powerful
>phase is more censored
>pippa isn't based anymore
Apologize.

>>50735652
This nothingburger didn’t need it’s own thread.

>>50743754
^Xalabussy

>>50743607
Actually, the only way to submit Phase Weekly clips is on discord, so yeah he did do it on discord, and so he was punished for breaking the community rules in the only way they can punish someone.
The only unnecessary thing here was his containment break by referencing an incident that led to a lot of political outrage, the clip would have been fine without it so what was the point?
And there was no "overcorrection" anywhere either, his ban was deserved and does a decent job of showing that this kind of thing isn't accepted, despite how much some of Pippa's fanbase wants PC to be /pol/ connect.

>>50743948
In that case it actually sounds perfectly reasonable. It comes off as overkill but at least the punishment adds up to what was done.

>>50737683
We made jokes of it over a decade ago, and we still do now. The fish has a thing skin and spooks easily.

>>50743087
That's mostly pippa and lumi's doing really. Although if they weren't explicitly /here/ on their sleeves, they'd kinda be here anyway like it or not because /vt/ is so widely known and is probably the biggest spot for discussion for a lot of small corpos. The thing is most of the girls are too young to have known this place in the 00s (or at least I'd hope they'd not have been here at such a young age) so I just don't expect it. Otherwise they tend to be here only because /vt/ is here, not because they happened to legit use/like the site (although there legit are a couple of girl's boards here like /cgl/)

I would say Pippa basically acts like a caricature of the stereotype election newfag who literally cannot stop shitting blood seething all the time and forcing everything through a lens of politics, but, seeing the way she talks and how she references stuff it's like, nah she's really trying to cater to them for real. I recall a stream (I think it was high on life) where she mentioned something about how she can't stand joggers or something, like in a way /pol/ would have picked up on and I thought "god damn that's so on the nose" and yet her chat barely even noticed or reacted, like she tries pretty hard actually.

>>50735652
At least post the clip: https://youtu.be/DC3Xz2AyZZA?t=154
The text "george_floyd.mp3" was flashed on screen 2 times for 5 frames each. With the vod back up and edited we can mostly confirm that that those 10 frames were actually the issue.

>>50743948
If they made it that it is the only way to submit it, they left him with little choice but to break the rules. Shoulda given him a slap on the wrist instead, considering how he's been clipping for them a long while. This makes them appear as ingrates.

What the point of astroturfing /vt/ and trying hard to look "based" if you are afraid of edgy humor now?

>>50735652
>idol agency wants to be seiso nippon go western mega idol company
>biggest talents are shit posters that refuse to sing or dance

To pivot or not to pivot?

>>50743948
>>50745516
Half the shit pippa says break the rules. The rules are only there so they can ban you when they get sick of you. This was even confirmed when they banned henri for some rule but in dms say he was actually banned for being a schizo.

>>50738145
But why, that's the question.
Pippa also made I CANT BREATHE jokes and tried to convince her own collab partners that kiwifarms was good and went on a whole tangent about Jews running the world.
Pippa was based but now she's literally just another generic LOUD=FUNNY react streamer.

>>50745783
Literally this. Pippa breaks the rules constantly and only still has a job because without her phase would lose half its selling points.

>>50735652
Lisa is an awful stream dude that is why she is not popular and the only thing more obnoxious than her is her gay fans.

>>50745909
Nah Pippa has always been a grifter, you can tell how little she believes in the things she says when she is collaborating with kirsche who actually has some hard political beliefs.

>>50746115
I hope you meant to say Lia there and not Lisa Chikafuji, who is in fact an excellent chuuba.

>>50736327
He almost killed his own company last year by trying to cater to the generic holotard/nijinigger audience until Kson called him out and Pippa cried on stream

>>50735652
The clipper in question has an account with the same name on kiwi farms and virtual asylum. The fact he wasnt banned for that alone is impressive. Good riddance.

>>50735652
Fuck you op. I tried to engage with this and watch the clip, and watched some literal retard overreact and provide no entertainment for 4 mins. And this was a clip? A highlight of the best moments? Fucking Christ I hope you guys watching this are underage if you enjoy this 'content'

>>50735652
>>Edits are made with planes flying in and exploding, also a George Floyd "I can't breathe" joke is slipped in
holy based

>>50735652
>Who's in the right here? Who's in the wrong here?
no one

>>50745783
>>50745963
This is why Pippa should have been in Idol Corp. To think that Jews are fairer than zhangs.

>>50748226
Do they even have a talent that says retard. I'll shit on phase for being untrustworthy and shady but at least they don't care about twitter users for the most part.

>>50748311
At least Jews can take a joke. Zhangs are all backstabbing scumbags and it is the ultimate misfortune that Pipkin ended up working for them.

>>50743741
Henri was the hero we deserved and needed.

>>50745909
>went on a whole tangent about Jews running the world
?
When was this?

>>50745516
>If they made it that it is the only way to submit it, they left him with little choice but to break the rules.
...Then don't submit the clip? Submit another one.
Actually back up, was this Floyd joke something the talent he was clipping said or something that he, specifically, took the time & effort to edit in himself? And then submit? To a place that says "hey, don't do that"? Cuz if so he's double retarded. Could've clipped & submitted the same moment without putting that in.

I don't hate Pippa but I will be happy if I don't have to here about how fucking based she is every 5 minutes

>>50742247
Kiki stands as the only chuuba who I've heard actively publicly dunks on LGBT shit and I can never even find footage of the actual supposed evidence.
Who else does the genuinely redpilled audience even have to pick from in this industry?

>>50750480
Hate to have to break it to you but those aren't cappipalists, just ffaggots.

>>50750562
I hate to break it to you but there isn't a difference

>>50739514
Lia isn't serious about this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHsMYB-GQSM

>>50741167
Don't worry the whole of TVA can't stand that fucker, even after he got thread banned for a week.

Coyo Tekken and Karaoke https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQ_0NKpKuhg

>>50737134
Phase connect isn’t the same small corpo that it was back then. It’s undeniably growing, Pippa can’t get away with pandering to Kiwi Farms anymore, nor will she be allowed to collab with certain fleshtubers who are basically yab magnets that try to leech off the other girls.
There’s a lot more at stake, that’s just the nature of business. If she wants to keep her old style of content, there should be nothing stopping her from doing it on her RM account.

>>50743741
>xalamon is more powerful
the amount of seething when he was seen in the new invaders chat as a mod was hilarious

>>50748311
Idol is more about appealling to cunny watchers. They have a lot of lolis and Gen 2 seems to continue this.

>>50737478
The model change literally saved her career. She was going to quit if she never got it.

I regret opening this thread

>>50736499
If thats the direction that fish man wants to go thats whatever
I dont get why theyd think it was good to ban the clipper who actually helps your company by making (edgy) memes when it was your fuck up for showing the clip on an official show

>Fishman wants a pure sanitised vtuber company
>instead all his talents are secret alt-lite girls that pander to that audience which also scares away sponsors

lol

>>50735652
>have rules about no political shit in clips
>clipper violates rules and gets removed from the submission channel
>clipper admits it is his fault and doesn't care

Everything else is a rrat.
Nobody posted any evidence that Dizzy can't pick clips anymore.

>>50754588
> which also scares away sponsors
https://www.youtube.com/live/u2gm1jIx37w

>>50740011
>The clipper […] submitted one anyway to an official corporate thing
This is incorrect, he only posted the clip on youtube. Someone else submitted it to Phase Weekly on Discord.

>>50754934
Okay so why ban Azehara then? The person who submitted it should have been warned instead.

>>50735652
That's a fucking funny clip. Nice one Lia and clipper.

>>50755103
That's a good question :)
I guess it's the kind of thing where you can get banned for things you do in the community and not only on discord. See >>50743466 where breaking fan content rules is cited.

>>50754588
You're desperately trying to push "alt-lite" huh

>>50745180
I will never understand this place's obsession with psychoanalyzing Pippa and her audience. Obviously they aren't going to overreact and basedface over every single edgy joke she makes. If you watched her you'd know that's not even her main appeal.

fishman is chinese
just wanted to remind everyone

9/11 jokes are an instant ticket to channel demonetization, even if show for a split second

worse, he's canadian

>>50756375
>>50756476
And he's in Hongcouver.

>>50757053
>>50756476
>>50756375
chinese canadian from hongcouver
name a worse combination

Shill all you want im still not watching your shitty streamers

>>50757186
No one's watching yours either.

>>50757186
nijinogs still using her as one of theirs LOL

>>50760338
>>50760156
she's more popular than ever now, cope and seethe boyfriend connect cucks

>>50757186
>>50760782
Her niji model looks much nicer though :( On the one she uses now, here eyes are farther apart than even Gura's…

>>50757186
She's gonna have a Pippa collab soon, just you wait.

>>50737351
> That's why she has to keep things from being openly political, such as that one time she fucked with the Twitter freaks but made the post that she didn't care about transphobia.
Look, I don’t hate troons, but I hate twittard troons who think playing the Harry Potter game makes you an accomplice to troon-killing. That’s because those people are menhera, and I hate menhera schizos no matter their politics, gender, race, etc.
Being black or a woman or a troon or a white man or a SEAshart or whatever will affect how your schizo looks when you go full retard on the internet.
I respect anyone who’s willing to tell the schizos to fuck off, but that doesn’t mean I actually want to watch a transphobe.
>all troons are mentally ill, nijisis
Well, if that’s true, then there’s no problem with clarifying that you don’t hate all troons, just the schizo ones, is there?

>>50760982
Her niji model was turbosex, you can't really compare it to most models at all. I still really like the current Sayu one too desu.

>>50750558
I don’t know and I don’t care. I think virtue signaling faggots on twitter and the kinds of retarded cucks who enjoy NijiEN members like Enna are cancer. That doesn’t mean I actually want to share a chat with people who actually hate homos.

>>50750558
>Who else does the genuinely redpilled audience even have to pick from in this industry?
Don't worry guys, I got you covered: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJNK4VKeoBM

imagine being sad enough to watch a show called phase weekly

>>50763433
Shut the fuck up homo

>>50736327
phase disconnect
gottem

>>50735919
NOW THAT THE DUST HAS SETTLED

>>50748378
>oven dodgers can take a joke
lol lmao

>>50748378
>ultimate misfortune
Even Tsunderia didn't want her. Phase was the only place in town for her.

>>50735652
Was she also behind Yuri being edited out of clips in collabs she participated in?

>>50763904
it was fun because of the opportunities for unusual collabs

>>50743466
But he didn't make the joke. Lia did
Am I missing something here?

>>50753375
Why is this Xalamon guy so hated? During the little time I spent lurking in /pcg/, it seems like everyone there hates his ass.

>>50763281
Wanting to Troon out makes you mentally ill you absolute retard. Why pretend to pander to these disgenic freaks, and still call them troons?

>>50766381
Doxnigger

>>50766483
Are you thinking of an older Lumi mod (no longer mod)?
>>50766381
He's a janny who does janny shit and talks too much.

>>50746612
When did this happen? What was it that kson said exactly?

>>50746623
The clipper has done a lot of work promoting the girls, and banning him for where he goes alone is retarded reasoning.

>>50760982
She is getting a new model soon anyway so will no doubt get fixed.

>>50750405
She says "I can't breathe", but the talents decided to show it. It shouldn't have fallen on Azehara to be banned, once again, given how much work he's done promoting the girls.

>>50768628

>>50754093
Precisely this.

>>50735652
>some extra context:
Azehara is an edgy kiwitranny faggot who has broken ban-worthy rules during stream several times before and has gotten away with it due weak moderation and his prominence. This is likely just a good (and valid) excuse to get rid of him, not that an excuse is even needed. Even he probably wouldn't deny this
Dizzy getting banned from picking clips is completely made up and you are a nigger for putting it there

>>50768946
queen

show those phasetards what real talent freedom means

>>50766257
She didn't, he added it in via subtitles.

>>50735652
businessman are always wrong anon...

>>50769304
Except he wasn't banned for that. He was given a bullshit vague rule as the reasoning. They wanna ban him for that they could but they decide to use a faggoty excuse instead. They could've banned him day 1 for kiwi or offensive jokes but they didn't. They decided to let him continue and throw him away once they got popular just like they'll do with /here/

>>50769623
>vague rule as the reasoning.
It's not vague at all to anyone with 2 braincells to rub together. Don't add political shit to fan works, it's literally just that simple.

>Your only niche in life is having fucking UNHINGED crazy menheras having fun together being lunatics, as the draw to your company
>leash them and try to make them seiso
???

>>50769935
t. someone who has never watched a pippa or lia stream

>>50770206
>I can add TTD to clips because PIppa laughed at an altered tranny pasta

>>50770304
it's 10 frames of the text "george_floyd.mp3" when lia says I can't breath. It's not nigger or ttd. Even Filian made a breath joke. You disingenuous faggot. It's doesn't even take a stance.

>>50768946
Thank you.

>>50769357
Ah yes listen to the groomer, I am sure that is a great idea

>>50769304
Phase moderation is hyper sensitive. What weakness are you daydreaming about?

>phase connect's A-Chan is a parasite

>>50770304
Are Pippa and Lia fans? Do they edit their own clips?
The rules are for fan works, not for what the talents do.

>>50746258
Yeah I meant lia

>>50770432
Do you see the amount of caveats and hand-wringing you have to do to make your point sound even slightly convincing?
>i-it's just 10 frames!
As though that means anything. What, is the cutoff 20 frames or something? Fuck off.
>i-it's not as bad as xyz!
Again, as though that means anything. If he put spic you would say "at least he didn't say kike!"
>Even Fillian did it!
And? Forget Fillian, even Pippa has gotten away with numerous yab shit, but guess what? The rules say "Don't add political shit in fan works unless it's not as bad as what Fillian did that one time" it says don't add political shit period". You are the disingenuous one here twisting the text nigger.
>It's doesn't even take a stance
Ah yes, just make clips with the words JEWS TRANSEXUALS JEWS TRANSEXUALS plastered all over the screen. It doesn't take a stance so it's fine.
Retard.
>>50770980
I know, that was sarcasm

>>50771389
>strawman
kill yourself faggot. There so much bullshit it's not worth typing.

>>50771427
>STRAWMAN!
About what I expected

>>50771675
Bvm he is right you're faggot of the highest order kys

>>50771793
If he's right then explain how the same way I explained how he's wrong. Of course you won't though, because that takes the slightest modicum of effort and you'd rather cry, spout bullshit and deepthroat each other's cocks than do that.

>>50770206
didnt realize pippa and lia made creative derivative works

i know reading isn't a strong suit for phasefags

>>50770432
Fillian is in Phase Connect?

>>50772020
Or i don't want to waste time on a delusional inbred retard a kill yourself is enough.

>>50771675
You can't even quote without adding your faggotry to it.
>>50772285
Rule 6 is literally a catch all for anything. You don't even need to watch streams or have any knowledge of every other "rules" section in a community to know guidelines are bullshit.
>>50772339
If you don't understand a "can't breath" joke about george floyd is not the same as yelling nigger or total tranny death, there is no hope for you.

>>50771389
Hi Xalabussy

Azehara posted on YouTube about it:
https://www.youtube.com/post/UgkxKP9o86w61x0ACTg_212OvVIkPURBRDPc
He doesn't blame the guy who posted the clip on Discord.

>>50772502
>Rule 6 is literally a catch all for anything
Every TAC ever has that. If you think to yourself "Oh that means nothing else matters so I'll just do whatever" you are a retard. Deflecting to rule 6 when rule 3 is right there just makes you sound like a child.
>If you don't understand a "can't breath" joke about george floyd is not the same as yelling nigger or total tranny death, there is no hope for you
All three of those are different. You forgot to make your actual point.
>You can't even quote without adding your faggotry to it.
There's no space left for any more faggotry than the post itself so it doesn't really matter.

>Used to laugh at china with everyone else because they were so sensitive that certain words and mentioning certain events trigger them so much they ban them
>Start paying attention to the things happening in the west and the same shit happens too
Turns out they're not so different after all.

>>50737492

He might as well fire Pippa then because her takes and opinions on shit will be just as "problematic" for sponsors.

>>50773532
You seem to actually be able to quote so I'll bite.
>Deflecting to rule 6 when rule 3 is right there
They never specified what guideline rule he broke. My guess is as good as yours
>You forgot to make your actual point.
My point there was anon being a disingenuous faggot comparing it to nigger/ttd. I think we agree they are different.
>so it doesn't really matter.
Bruh just look at them >>50771389 >>50771675
Adding stuttering to a quote, making it caps, and adding punctuation. Complete faggot.

>>50773839
>My point there was anon being a disingenuous faggot comparing it to nigger/ttd. I think we agree they are different.
That's not really a point because it doesn't at all address what it was in reply to. Was that meant for a different post?
>They never specified what guideline rule he broke. My guess is as good as yours
So? What is this non-sequitur? Or are you actually attempting to claim that you just can't tell what part of the video is objectionable given the guidelines? Now who's being the faggot?
>Adding stuttering to a quote, making it caps, and adding punctuation. Complete faggot.
I hope you can at least appreciate the irony of twisting panties about this given the topic at hand.

>>50773359
He might not blame the person who posted the clip, however if there was no review process, that's on Phase. If there was a review process, that is still on phase staff or talents, whoever was reviewing.

In the end, banning Azehara was still nonsense, and Phase should take responsibility.

>>50774308
>Was that meant for a different post?
probably, my bad
>video is objectionable given the guidelines
Rule 2, 4, 6 seem just as likely. In the same video a plane flies across the screen and explodes. This was kept in the company vod. Most things including probably other clipper's content is "objectionable", which is why the guidelines are a joke and are just an excuse to ban people they dislike. Azehara is known in the community. Management almost certainly seen his clips before. They could've banned him at anytime before. But they chose this moment. Ignoring rrats, banning someone because of your fuck up is seen as a dick move.

>>50775251
You are making a few leaps and oversights:
>Most things including probably other clipper's content is "objectionable"
Not punishing others isn't a slight against the person that does eventually get punished. If you have a neighborhood with lots of unaddressed crime, it is not a "dick move" to arrest a particular person for an infraction, no matter what the reason or motivation. They still did the crime. If Phase had been, up to this point, cracking down on anything that went against the rules, this video would have gotten hit too so it's just as well. And this is even under the assumption that
>Management almost certainly seen his clips before. They could've banned him at anytime before
is correct. Do you have examples of his clips that go as far as George Floyd jokes, particularly those you can confirm that Phase has seen themselves? George Floyd being of not here because despite the downplaying some have attempted here, it's not some throwaway joke that is suitable for all audiences and environments. It will probably get you banned in Lia's chat for example.
To reiterate, if someone breaks the already established rules, there's nothing wrong with banning them. The time and place and circumstance is of little consequence really. You can see even from his response to the matter that he understood and took steps to distance himself because he knew that he was riding the edge and had a reasonable expectation of falling out of favor for his actions.

>>50776061
>Not punishing others isn't a slight against the person that does eventually get punished
It absolutely is. If the rules are unfairly applied to the people that break them, then they're just filler PR for the management when they don't like someone.
>already established rules
The rules are a joke. I do not know how else to say this. They can be shortened to "anything offensive or we just don't like"
>suitable for all audiences and environments
Phase isn't a 12+ video game lmao
>from his response
Don't give a single fuck what he thinks.
>distance himself
How did you get that idea? He's still going to make clips and continue watching streams.

>>50773359
This confirms the one thing I wasn't sure about, that he didn't submit the clip that got him banned. A few people in this thread had stated this, but others were stating the opposite. If he didn't submit the clip, then he didn't break any Discord rule and banning was inappropriate.

>>50776534 me
>distance himself
Never mind, I misread it as present tense.

>>50776534
>It absolutely is. If the rules are unfairly applied to the people that break them, then they're just filler PR for the management when they don't like someone.
No, it isn't. You still have to actually BREAK those rules to have them applied to you, unfairly or not. Cont:
>The rules are a joke. I do not know how else to say this. They can be shortened to "anything offensive or we just don't like"
So just to be clear, is your position here that the rules are completely arbitrary and that nobody has any kind of reasonable expectation of what sort of content could or could not get them banned? And that, by extension, nobody has any idea whatsoever what could have possibly gotten Azehara banned in regards to fan works? That there's just as much reason to believe it was the way he panned the camera or the font he used for subtitles than anything else in the video? Is that the idea here?

>>50772020
kek just chiming in to say what a reddit faggot you are, embarrassing

>>50777375
>You still have to actually BREAK those rules
Here's an example. 5 people break a rule. Only the 3rd gets punished. Do you think rules are fairly applied? I don't. Do you think someone has it against the 3rd person? I would.
>rules are completely arbitrary and that nobody has any kind of reasonable expectation
No that is an exaggeration. There's a gray area. Saying heck will not get you banned. Saying niggerfaggot-tranny will. In between? Who knows. The rules are so vague about the gray area that I consider them a joke. I do not know how anyone can look at the guidelines and not consider them basically worthless.
>panned the camera or the font he used for subtitles
More exaggeration.

>>50778327
>Do you think someone has it against the 3rd person? I would.
Completely irrelevant. It isn't a slight against the one punished, but a boon for the ones that weren't. There is a difference between favoring someone and disfavoring others. If I buy 30 people cars for free, it doesn't somehow mean I've slightest the rest of the world's population because I didn't give them one either.
If you broke a rule, you don't get to complain about getting punished. You broke it, youo deserve the consequence. Simple as.
>No that is an exaggeration. There's a gray area. Saying heck will not get you banned. Saying niggerfaggot-tranny will. In between? Who knows
So you DO understand the concept. Great.
>The rules are so vague about the gray area that I consider them a joke
The grey area is by definition vague, and it exists for a reason. The more defined you make a ruleset, the easier it is to circumvent or find loopholes. That said, if you feel that it's too vague, how would you word it to remove the vagueness then?
>More exaggeration.
Yeah, that's the point. Extreme hypotheticals are great for cutting through the bullshit and getting at the actual principles of a matter.

>>50737492
>9/11 jokes don't fly anymore
Tell that to hasan

>>50766682
Nta but no he's not thinking of Sei. Xalamon is a doxxer. He was notorious for it before he was even in Phase.

>>50748226
Henri spotted in the thread. I repeat HENRI is in the THREAD.

>trusting fishman
>after he allowed xalabussy to ban 100's of people from chat for calling him xalabussy
>after he let lumi and pippa destroy their brand identity with extreme model changes
>after he invested at least $100,000+ into a mediocre coffee collaboration that has seen no returns
>after he allowed the girls to collab with men and openly flirt with them on stream
>after he blacklisted pippa from the rest of phase connect until kson had to dunk on him
This is not a smart fish

>>50779927
You could have at least put a single true claim to properly muddy the waters

>>50780085
All of that is true, I'm banned from the discord, lumi completely killed her brand growth and pippa is trying, the girls publicly made fun of how much of an investment he put into the coffee, many of the girls have had men on stream now and have either had to apologize for cucking their fans or told their fans they aren't gfe and cuckoldry is on the menu, and the last one was literally posted ITT >>50768946

>>50780408
meds

>>50773359
I knew this dramanigger would cry about it somewhere lmao

>>50779927
>extreme model changes
>píppa
>extreme model change
you are not being serious right now

wut Phase Weekly?!

>>50780523
I'm a pretty rational guy, point to which one you disagree with so we can have a conversation, I actually care about the phase girls and think sakana has no coherent vision for the company

>>50780654
Color changes are an extreme model change, yes
It was such an extreme model change that pippa and low effort clips had to resort to bait and switch tactics with thumbnails because people wouldn't click on thumbnails with the new model

>>50780835

>>50780934
Explain this lmao, loweffort my ass, this faggot is obsessed with forcing people to like the new model

>>50781668
>cliptard as evidence
Are you ok?

>>50781668
schizochama...that's a clipper, only people who already know about pippa are the main audience...

Fishman has something really great and unique going, he should get a grip on reality and stop trying to ruin it because he thinks he knows better.

You are a chink that lives in Canada, that's about as far as you can be from a normal person, you know jack shit about what people actually want from your talents.

Fishman used to have more chill, he needs to re-evaluate what happened to him in the last year or so.

>>50781771
>>50781811
This is making me think that pippa operates loweffortclips

>>50782546
Oh that's your original image. I'm impressed, schizo.

>>50782595
That's pippa's channel

>>50782656
I got that, I'm impressed by your research and commitment to the time it took.

>>50779184
>It isn't a slight against the one punished, but a boon for the ones that weren't.
You're delusional. There's very little chance the other 4 people just happen to have gotten lucky. That's not how the world works, especially when you know who broke the rules. Here's a more obvious example. A cop pulls over a car going over the speed limit by 1 mph. Surely the rest of the cars simply got a "boon" as they go 1-5 over the speed limit. No. That was on purpose. It wasn't the rest having a "boon," it was a sleight.
>The grey area is by definition vague
let's go with "in between". There's an in between. That in between is so large that the guidelines are a joke.
>circumvent or find loopholes
That's called following the rules. Something management hates because it stops them from banning people they dislike. Good rules are usually middle of "super specific" and "vague to the point of useless". The phase connect rules are not in the middle. They're a complete joke. They give extremely little information on what is okay or not.
>how would you word it to remove the vagueness then
I would need to know where management draws the decently sized line, which they prefer not to. I can't make a blurry picture sharp. The artist drew it blurry. And I do not mean "line" literally. Even a somewhat gray line would be enough but there isn't even that in the guidelines. The guidelines are trash.
>great for cutting through the bullshit
They're great for showing you have no common sense in how words and phrases are used. People do not speak in 100% literals. Taking a claim and exaggerating it when the person obviously didn't mean it that way is a waste of fucking time. Just ask to be more specific or clarify.

>>50779692
Any links or pics?

>>50783522
Alright, I'll be more blunt now.
>You're delusional. There's very little chance the other 4 people just happen to have gotten lucky
And you're illiterate. I said it's irrelevant, not that anybody got lucky. Who the fuck cares if the cop hates the criminal specifically or not? It makes no difference to the fact the crime was committed and that the guy is getting his punishment. You keep weaseling out of this fact to fixate on bullshit like "what about the other guy??" It doesn't fucking matter about the other guy, it doesn't change anything about the actual crime that was committed.
>That in between is so large that the guidelines are a joke.
No it isn't, you're just being willfully (I hope) ignorant to the meaning of the words on screen. I asked you for examples earlier, you ignored it. Put up or shut up.
>Good rules are usually middle of "super specific" and "vague to the point of useless"
You can spout this (ironically) vague nonsense all you like, but of course you have no actual examples or concrete definitions. You are doing exactly the thing you are accusing them of doing.
>I would need to know where management draws the decently sized line-
Make one up then. Take Phase's history and customs up until now and just invent what you think a reasonable set of guidelines would be for them. Imagine you were made CEO right now. Stop being a rhetorical weasel and actually take a well-formed position.
>They're great for showing you have no common sense in how words and phrases are used
The fucking projection here is unreal. You are literally the nigger who is so autistic that he can't understand a basic set of rules so common and bog-standard that even the edgelord who got slapped by them understands why he was and knew it could probably happen. Have some goddamn self-awareness ffs.

>>50785557
small corpo cock sucka spotted

>>50785557
>it doesn't change anything about the actual crime that was committed.
Because when your rules are so broad they can cover 90% of the content posted everybody has "committed a crime." How the fuck do you not understand this? Are you a commie? I mean that genuinely because I do not understand how you can't comprehend this concept. When you make a law that's so vague that it can be applied to 90% of the population, you're not making a "law" you're making an "arrest someone I dislike" card.
>No it isn't
Yes it is. You are retard if you can read the guidelines and think it's fine.
>Do you have examples of his clips that go as far as George Floyd jokes
And I gave you the plane flying and exploding in the same video. Tell me are 9/11 jokes socially acceptable? Can I tell an exploding plane joke at work? It's all bullshit.
>no actual examples or concrete definitions
Super strict: You can not say X word (100% clear, easily circumvented). Super vague: Don't be mean. (not clear, can be a ban reason for anyone)
>Make one up then.
nah
>basic set of rules
Basic set of rules that say "we deem unsuitable"

>>50735652
I mean, this is the type of fanbase PC has. can’t really go “family friendly” unless you get rid of /pol/pandering rabbit. but the real answer to why he did that is that it’s potentially a bad look for sponsorships

>>50738060
you can look at the top streamers in the company to see what type of people watch it. Hololive has Pekora and Gura, obv family friendly. Niji has Luxiem which is chink enthusiasts that probably play a lot to Genshin. PC has Pippa known for saying controversial edgy shit on purpose. The brand of PC IS edginess. The only way that’d change is if somebody else in PC gets bigger than Pippa

>>50741236
Hasan did get suspended for that though and I think he eventually apologized for that one. but he is a political commentator so the kind of sponsorships he gets are different from what a vtuber would probably want unless they’re also in that niche

>>50737492
>don't fly anymore
icwudt

The video is up though? I'm watching it right now.

>>50788895
They cut out the ~2 seconds of the joke.

>>50748226
>This is why pippa should have been in a corpo who debuted 11 months after she started, over a year if you count the EN branch.
I feel genuinely sorry for /pcg/, the newfags must be unbearable to deal with.

>>50780549
He's taking the side of Phase though?

>>50735652
I dunno.

>>50754605
Love how there's always 1 guy with common sense

>>50746247
>kirsche who actually has some hard political beliefs.
Wait really?
She seemed inoffensive the couple times I‘ve seen her in collabs

>>50790592
kirsche is straight up a /pol/ vtuber

>>50790592
watch a standard non-collab stream where she spits out tangents on anything from /pol/

>>50787149
>Because when your rules are so broad they can cover 90% of the content posted everybody has "committed a crime."
No anon, you just don't understand, and now that you've jumped from the "it's bad to punish because selective enforcement" argument, I can finally see exactly where your reasoning is falling short. You think that the guidelines posted there are supposed to be the beginning and the end of the ruleset (which is wild for someone who said "People do not speak in 100% literals" by the way, but you misunderstood that too so whatever). Like programming code or something, but that's not how rules in real life work. Not any, no matter how specific you get, and I will demonstrate that in a minute.
But first, the rules are "vague" in only the most literal terms possible, but they aren't really unless you are a retard. Here:
>Super strict: You can not say X word (100% clear, easily circumvented)
This isn't super strict at all. Why? This:
>You cannot say nigger in Phase connect chat
>Oh, okay. But I can say nigga right?
>No
>Nig nog?
>You can't say any variation of that word.
>What if I just type the letter N?
>Well, it depends on the context
>So I can say "Shut up you N!"
>No
>Can I space the letters N I G G E R far apart then? On different lines?
>No
>What if I do it with other people? I'm technically not saying it
>No, you can't
And so on and so forth. Now of course you might say "Oh that's an exaggeration!" It isn't. Lots of people have gotten banned for that exact thing in Phase. You might also say "Oh, that's not realistic, it's common sense what he means by "You can't say the word nigger." And yes, yes it is.
To follow any rules in the first place, you require context, context that is assumed you would need to even participate in that space in the first place. First, in this case, is knowledge of English or Japanese to even engage with the content/community. Second would be common sense, because that's what this whole thing is about: common fucking sense.
The rules are written for people who have common sense and are only vague and all encompassing if you have no common sense. So I guess, in a way, you aren't entirely wrong. To retards, schizophrenics, and other such individuals with no common sense, the guidelines must seem pretty terrible, unexplained and arbitrary (just as it would to someone who lacks the other piece of context required: language proficiency). But that's the thing, nobody wants these kinds of people in their community in the first place, so that's not an issue.
Now of course "common sense" is different for each person, but not that different (hence the 'common' part), especially for people in the same community. In the rare circumstance that the common sense of 2 parties come into conflict, there is a dispute, arbitration, whatever. This wasn't even one of those times. Even Azehara himself KNOWS that what he did falls outside the bounds of the guidelines because even HE, the actual rulebreaker, has that common sense.
It is the schizos and retards, who either lack that common sense or are simply being biased because they want to push the overton window cost-be-damned, that take issue with this.
And just to be even clearer, common sense in this scenario encompasses but is not limited to (now you've even gotten me talking like a TOS page): an understanding of western politics, an understanding of vtuber culture, an understanding of corporate culture, an understanding of Phase Connect's reputation and place in the industry (an actual understanding, not the retarded "LE BASED RIGHT WING CORPO" faggotry that niggers /here/ like to spout), an understanding of optics and other shit that nobody can be bothered to type or write down in exhaustive detail. The vast, vast majority of community members have these understandings or pick them up pretty quickly, and those who don't or chose not to apply it get banned.
So you see, when they write things like "are considered socially unacceptable", or "include matters pertaining to any particular ideology, belief, religion, or stance in politics" it's not that they're actually vague or meaningless, they are essentially a shorthand that is deciphered by those with common sense to mean "Don't make open and blatant George Floyd jokes" "Don't use (((jew))) brackets" and yes "Don't say the word nigger."
It's very, very simple.
>nah
Well there you have it, nothing really to say to that.

Let's all boycott Phase to teach the fish a lesson!

bump

>>50792731
Fish's policy is literally just ignore until people don't care anymore.
If you want to start a riot, take it to twitter and trigger some trannies with it or something

>>50790710
>>50790925
Huh neat
I thought streamers coulen‘t really get away with that on any plattform

>>50773359
He's a good guy. This is the most professional and respectable response possible.

I read the summary and only vaguely know of Azehara but the fact that anyone would willingly associate with him and trust him to not make a colossal fuckup is the funniest fucking thing. On the one hand whoever made that decision is in the wrong. On the other hand he himself is unbelievably fucking retarded so it's an everyone's retarded here situation.

>>50735652
Your father was in the right for abandoning you.
Your mother was in the wrong for not aborting your ass.
Next?