/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>4998940
>Is Haachama going to be forced to graduate after Coco?
Haachma just left. Cover apparently told her not to call it a graduation, or she is waiting until a contract expires to say she is graduating.

>>4998940
i dont want her too but at this point we should be all expecting it

Even though Cover restricted the freedom of both Coco and Haachma, it is just a COINCIDENCE… that those two left at same time, also having nothing to do with China! …

>>4998940
It's been like 4 days since Coco's announcement, stop with the fucking rrat threads, it's getting boring.

Does anyone know what's happening with Haachama's Miko collab that was supposedly scheduled for tomorrow? And how does it fit into the rrat faggotry?

>>4999301
Ogey, sure. There's absolutely NO CONNECTION. PURE COINCIDENCE.
>>4999328
It's cancelled. Miko probably didn't know until the last minute. It fits into the rrat scheme that her announcement was kept a secret from absolutely everyone.
https://twitter.com/sakuramiko35/status/1403767238495129600

>>4999328
Miko and Haachama got together to discuss the collab. For some unknown reason they got into a heated argument and Miko stabbed Haachama, she's now hospitalized and possibly in a coma.
No collab, Miko is on the run.

Look there can be some truth to this as the facts do line up. I also had the very same thoughts when I saw this clip.

>>4999301
The interesting thing is that just posting all the facts together tells the entire story. I mean it’s hard to pretend everything is fine when just looking at them alone, even without making any assumptions afterward. It’s that damning.

>>4998940
Holy fuck 3 months? I thought it was a couple of weeks before the official announcement, maybe a month tops. That's a lot of time everybody knew she was going.

>>4999504
ogey

When did Astel's breakdown happen?

>>4998940
It's becoming pretty clear that Cover is heading for a Chinese takeover, it's pretty much just a matter of time now. You should see a new CN branch of Hololive some time later this year and after that you'll see a slow, but deliberate erosion of current vtubers.

There is no need to make more threads about this, the only thing we can do is wait and see what happens. Also regardless of which Hololive member you like we all need to keep supporting them and ONLY THEM, don't side with Cover or give attention to the zhangs.

>>4999502
>It fits into the rrat scheme that her announcement was kept a secret from absolutely everyone.
That makes absolutely no sense unless you think it was kept secret from Haachama herself, since she's the one that must have arranged the collab.

>>4999598
>>4999564
Even if you remove any rrats from that, and just post everything that happened, chronologically, your brain goes "HMMM... There's more to this."
I fucking guarantee that in a matter of days people will dig through the streams and make compilations of clips that'll fit further into the scheme. A graduation of one of the biggest people in your company, that was harassed for months and you must keep your mouth shut about it had to take a toll on other Holos.
I can't even imagine how Kanata must've felt, who lives with Coco, and sees her every day.
>>4999864
Supporting some of them is easy, because their roommates have their own youtube channels with supachats and memberships. Supporting others without giving a bulk of it to cover is difficult.

>>4999907
>you think it was kept secret from Haachama herself, since she's the one that must have arranged the collab.
Anon, holos don't have any particular control over their lives like that. They do what the schedule tells them to do.

>>4999907
Did she? Or the one arranged her collab was her manager which result in her sudden hiatus?

Curious. Does anyone seriously consider it all just a coincidence? I mean the China connection to the two girls, with the restriction of both Coco and Haachama’s freedom (both girls saying as much), both of the girls leaving at the same time, etc.

>>4999907
>since she's the one that must have arranged the collab.
The most retarded rrat in this thread is this sentence right there.

>>5000091
>I can't even imagine how Kanata must've felt, who lives with Coco, and sees her every day.
Are we certain Kanata didn't feed info to the Zhangs on how to attack Coco?

>>5000258
Communist hands typed this post.

>>5000204
Yes. Take your meds and stop reading rrats. Also, remember anon, T*iwan is China. Everything is Coco's fault anyway.
>>5000258
It's been confirmed Kanata is a Chinese agent put in one place with Coco to keep her in check.

>>5000097
I mean, if you've spent any time actually watching them you know they're responsible for arranging their own collabs (outside of company events), that's why theyr so cliquey and the autists don't collab much. But even if they aren't responsible, your rrat still relies on somebody somewhere arranging a collab despite knowing that Haachama wouldn't be there.

>>5000278
No I'm just saying that roommates usually aren't exactly trustworthy, and they're direct competitors. There's usually very little love between idols of any kind.

>>5000221
>>5000315

Cover here, I would just like to point out that the One-China policy is meant to keep the peace, while Coco and Haachama were clearly too rebellious to control. After the China incidence, we restricted their freedom as a means of preventing future incidences like the one that already happened, and in light of that move, we decided to go family friendly, which should avoid all future controversy.

>>4999564
>Facts
>"Management does everything to fuck over Coco"
Ogey

Does any one know what Coco said in her 2 hour members only stream yesterday. Apparently she added something to all this.

>>5001202
I clearly meant if you post just the FACTS, it’s still looks terrible.

>>5001246
She basically demolished the rrats, which is why you don't see dramafags talking about it.
tldr:
>[EN] Coco: There's no one to blame.
>[EN] Coco: It's just that the direction I wanted to head was different from where management wanted.
>[EN] Coco: No, mgmt didn't do anything wrong!
>[EN] Coco: I don't think I'll ever be affiliated to any other agencies.
>[EN] Coco: Even if I do, it'd be Hololive 500 years later.
>[EN] Coco: It's just, no matter what we tried.... As I said before.... It's a difference in creative difference.
>[EN] Coco: Of course, I can't get into details.
>[EN] Coco: It's really a difference in values. No one's in the wrong.
>[EN] Coco: I really want you guys to understand that.

>>5001819
>It's a difference in creative difference.
You clearly have no idea what that means.

>>5002184
>gets 9 sentences
>only reads 1
>SEE THE RRATS ARE STILL ALIVE

>>5001819
I don't understand why you freaks can't read between the lines and you have to bounce back and forward to find a holo that says something that aligns with what you want to hear. Coco isn't going to fucking throw Cover under the bus while still under contract, or even after since she'll be under NDA. She would never outright say anti's drove her out because that only emboldens them. What did you expect her to say?

>>5002308
coco literaly says
THERE IS NO ONE TO BLAME
and yet your retarded faggots keep going OH ITS THE ANTIS AND MANAGMENT

>>4998940
Do you guys think kanata will quit? coco is her best friend, they literally live together.
Also someone should really check on matsuri, she broke down and said she wants to die on twitter when the taiwan thing happened.

>>5002256
Yeah but all 9 sentences just say "I am under NDA"

>>5001819
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqBLCTA8mQY
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWzj6Qq2-PA

Did you even watch this? she clearly stated they tried to silence her from announcing her schizo. Also there is some thing known as NDA so she cant say can't say the truth or she will be blacklisted in the entertainment industry.

Also if you were her member in the last membership she indirectly stated that the cover wanted her out.

>>5002428
>[EN] Coco: It's just that the direction I wanted to head was different from where management wanted.
>[EN] Coco: I don't think I'll ever be affiliated to any other agencies.
she wants to do shit that she cant do when shes under a contract and not a solo dipshit

>>5002353
Plz stop uttering bs you are just proving yourself to be a newfag. Just join her membership once its $3 mind you and open the last membership stream ytc filter the translator - Tanishi ch. and read plz before uttering this same bs again kindly.

>>5002554
>>5001819

>>4999037
>or she is waiting until a contract expires to say she is graduating.
Maybe refused to bend the knee to the pooh bear and wanted out. Cover said no but there was nothing in the contract that said she had to stream.

>ITT: People that have never seen an NDA

>>5002397
Kanata's illness puts more of a time limit on her music career, she will probably stay with hololive until she either cant sing anymore or Coco's new agency can give her more support than cover can

>>4999037
honestly it seems like it. It has the same energy as taking your remaining free time during the time of notice. I'm Haaton and it really pains me to says it but she will be gone by the end of this year for sure. I just hope the rrat about Coco creating new vtuber team is true and Haachama will join her

>ITT: Shizos can't believe someone can leave a company on good terms

>>5002687
She has to live with coco though, and she probably knows the reason coco left. Getting picked by a new agency for someone who is that big and talented is not hard.
Also, vtubers still haven't really gone as far as pro singers have, they likely never will get that same respect because they are youtubers, it's likely that she will have to quit to chase her dreams.

>>5002792
anon
girl sounds like she is on the verge of crying and was in a super rocky relationship with the business for the past few months, what good tems?

maybe i should take my meds

>>5002996
here you go, dont lose your bottle next time ok?

>>5002792
Believing something that has ample evidence against is the schizo thing to do, though anon.

>>5001819
>mgmt
they released some trash songs though

>>5000091
I only know coco's and noel's roommates, how should I go about searching for more of them?

>>5002593
check newfag >>5002554

>>5004175
>>5001819
check newfag

IF anyone else would graduate from Hololive, it would be Haato. If we take what Matsuri said, for instance, Coco is not the only person that crossed well over the "Matsuri Line," Hatto did as well. She has even expressed disappointment on how management told her she couldn't continue her batshit insane Haato/Haachama storyline.

tldr Haato has been experiencing the same "creative differences" that Coco has for nearly as long.

>>5001103
The next controversy will make KyoAni look like a campfire. Congratz black company.

>>5003535
Google 中の人 with chuuba name. There are a ton of Japanese websites dedicated to just roomates.

>>4998940

>>5004231
ogey

>>5004364
Holy shit, I did and learned that Coco's roommate weighs 52.8 kgs lol.

>>4998940
It makes me angry that they are SO non-transparent as to even fucking try to keep things under wraps internally. Like, fine keep us outsiders in the dark to cling to the joke you call your reputation but controlling the flow of information between talents? What good reason could there ever be to tell coco to keep it a secret from the other members aside from some fucking power scheme?

>>5005341
Because money loves quiet, anon. Many of those girls are not especially stable psychologically.

>>4998940
Even if it isn't forced it's likely HAACHAMA will graduate on her own for similar reasons as coco. Cause every bit of OC she does gets stomped and she's pretty much not allowed to collab with anyone, she gets 0 support from the company in anyway

>>5005261
Her boobas are at least half of that

>>5002819
so if she chooses to stay despite intimately knowing the reasons coco left, will you finally stop drama fagging? or just become a kanata anti

>>5005817
stop pretending like you are talking to chinks, we wouldn't be here talking about this if we didn't care about the girls.
You'd have to be a huge idiot to pretend like cover isn't really shitty at this point.

>>5005434
>she gets 0 support from the company in anyway

This seems to be true of almost all of them

>>5005895
>You'd have to be a huge idiot to pretend like cover isn't really shitty at this point.
>Coco says LITERALLY THE OPPOSITE MULTIPLE TIMES
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOO COVER BAD WAAAAH
You're the retard

>>4999301
>annoyed with narratives
You better leave /vt/ for good then I can guarantee as more of this unravels it will be like this 24/7 until 7/1 and obviously for many a month after.

I'm just hear for the ride someone has to observe this mess and witness the death of corpo VTubing

>>5005417
Well, its gonna be a lot quieter after Coco's graduation than, because she was the only one outspoken enough to let shit slip in streams or butt heads with management.

>>4999655
March 19th but it had to do with a project management shot down like with Pekora.

>>5002449
>Also if you were her member in the last membership Coco indirectly stated that the cover wanted her out.
It was pretty obvious even if she didn’t try to address it at all.

>>4998940
Lots of people coping but I see this is a bad sign, Haachama's hiatus will probably exceed a year, maybe longer so all this heat they are getting will certainly die down. Then cover will announce she will be graduating on a specific date and she will return just to do a few fairwell collabs like Coco did.

>>5007433
Imagine if Haachma was allowed to say she is graduating now. What a fucking train wreck. That’s what Cover is concerned about.

>>5007433
I doubt it. I think she'll appear during Coco's graduation and she'll announce her own graduation soon after.

>>5007519
This.
I honestly think Haachama coming back in 6 months saying that she wanted to quit when Cover fucked Coco but couldn't because Cover silenced her would be less damaging than her just saying that she wants to graduate now.

>>5007692
Cover probably wants to wait until EN Gen 2 distracts everyone

>>4998940
Anyone who's followed Haachama for a while know she's been burnt out for a long time, especially since her dark and edgy lore getting shut down by management. Her attitude towards streaming and the like really reminds me of Gibara from Nijisanji more than anything. Started off strong, got stronger, but ended up getting burned out, started streaming less and less, and eventually just took a break for a while. Gibara also went on an announced hiatus before having her graduation.

Coco on the other hand has a lot of commonalities with Saku, where they weren't allowed to do the one thing they wanted to most (stream Nintendo vs. Asacoco / shitposting), went on for a little bit trying to see if they could do something else, weren't satisfied, and decided to graduate. In Saku's case, she came back after Nintendo secured permissions, not to mention Coco said that the only agency she would ever go to would be Hololive, but I can't see that happening unless management gives her a carte blanc to do whatever. That being said, people trying so hard to claim this is the 7th Trumpet are fucking morons and I seriously want to kneecap whoever made that image, it's too easy for dramafags like OP to latch onto. The loss of Coco is definitely a huge blow to Hololive since she was such a strong figure and a good friend to everyone there, but Haachama always sort of operated by herself in her own bubble and she was already seen as an eccentric by all of her peers as a result.

>>4998940
Gee i wonder why would cover want Coco to keep it a secret even from fellow holos.

>>5007910
>she's been burnt out for a long time
Since Cover has been punishing her over China, yes.
>especially since her dark and edgy lore getting shut down by management
Right, management shut her down pretty good.
>ended up getting burned out, started streaming less and less..
Yeah after management screwed her over, and is now seemingly waiting till Cover allows her to tell people she is graduating. Why would Cover prevent streamers from telling? Well they did the same for Coco.

>>4998940
God i hate china and cover.

>>5005895
>we wouldn't be here talking about this if we didn't care about the girls.
I dont trust that, especially outside of generals. I remember that fucking split
Cover has always been shit since 'thingscovershoulddofortheirtalent.txt', but the point is to in which ways they're shit.
When you take these rrats too far, you end up at a place where it becomes logical to doubt the girls who continue to work for and support cover. Im trusting FBK

It’s funny because someone said before: “of course Cover kicked Coco after that fuck Yagoo bit she recently did on meme review”, but now we know that came after she was already leaving… makes you wonder if it was half-serious.

>>5008274
Honestly that bit struck me as odd when I saw it, but I just discounted it to Coco trying to overcompensate for Mori, and that whole collab was filled with weird energy anyways.
Now I wonder if there was more to that feeling.

>>5008113
Nijisanji also has NDAs, they just prefer for their talents to either go inactive or graduate on their own terms if they really want to leave. I'm just stating similarities in their arcs, not necessarily that they both had the same reasons for it. They do the same shit Cover does, they just have looser management rules since they present themselves as an entertainment group than an idol company.

>Meiro
>Raito
>Chitose
>Roa (soft graduation)
>Tsumugu (soft graduation)
All 5 of them got directly burned by management, or in the case of Roa and Meiro, the lack thereof. Gibara was even personally told by higher ups to stop chimping out on stream when she started losing her marbles because they didn't Ichikara thought it was too much at the time. She got muzzled, whether you like it or not.

Well, you Haatons always eventually fall for her bait. Its gonna be nothing, she'll just come back after refocusing on her education for a while or something.

>>5000302
Taiwan is not china.

>This is Haachama's first year in college and she needs to focus on real-world shit. She can't let animeland bullshit muddle her future
>Coco's confirmed that she's leaving because Cover is too scared to let her do what she became famous for
>The chinks are half the reason for that fear, but the other half is Britney Venti types and her ilk
>Yes, Chinks are responsible for the far leftist commies on the internet and let's not pretend otherwise

>>5008457
>NDAs
Any company not allowing employees to communicate to their friends within the company that they’re leaving, is well beyond a common NDA. It’s a god level attempt at control.
>All 5 of them got directly burned by management
Seems likely shitty management to me. Just confirms the point.

>>5002449
Reminder that Japan laws can allow NDA's to remain in place forever.

>>5000302
Do you think westerners are dumb enough to believe you? I know your average chinky brain is gullible and retarded, but we're not gonna believe you just because you say "It's been confirmed".

>Its fine guys she's leaving on her own terms, no bad blood
>Trust in the giant faceless corporation
Right, let's just ignore all the numerous times they've just told their talents to go fuck themselves or ordered them to dogeza to appease rabid assholes.

>>5008679
>Any company not allowing employees to communicate to their friends within the company that they’re leaving, is well beyond a common NDA. It’s a god level attempt at control.
You've never seen an NDA have you? They can and usually are that restrictive and more, specially in Japan where risk adversity reigns supreme.

>>5008780
>Also, remember anon, T*iwan is China. Everything is Coco's fault anyway.
That's a zhang or a troll, no one else would say that, retard.

>>5008959
But the part about keeping it secret from the other girls isn't part of an NDA. Management just tried to convince her to keep it secret and she just stood up to them. I can't think of a scenario in which coco suddenly leaving without talking it out with the group beforehand would have been less risky. It would have been like aloe with all of gen5 being at a loss for words but on a much larger scale. It would have been a way worse look.

>>5009198
>But the part about keeping it secret from the other girls isn't part of an NDA.
What do you think an NDA is? It's just a contract that lists what a party needs to keep a secret and explains the consequences for breaching it.
So yeah, the part about keeping it a secret from the other girls isn't "part" of an NDA, it's the core concept of an NDA.
>I can't think of a scenario in which coco suddenly leaving without talking it out with the group beforehand would have been less risky.
Let me help you with the thinking part, doesn't seem to be your strong suit.
Let's imagine a scenario:
>Coco wants to leave
Now, let me ask you what seems like the safer move:
>Allow Coco to tell her friends she's leaving without having any time to prepare PR for the incoming shitstorm.
or
>Invoke NDA stopping Coco from telling anyone that she plans to leave, take a few months to prepare, then allow her to announce it with a constructed narrative.

>>5008959
>They can and usually are that restrictive and more
Actually, they’re not. If a person is leaving a company, the people within the company aren’t off limits for communication. I guarantee that what they wanted Coco to do wasn’t in the NDA, which is why Coco did it anyway. If you can pull Cover’s dick out of your mouth, things might seem to make more sense.

I'm so glad these anti-chinese racists are getting what they deserve
#StopAsianHate

>>5009880
>Actually, they’re not. If a person is leaving a company, the people within the company aren’t off limits for communication.
Is there laws in Japan stating that NDAs cannot restrict communication with people within a company if they want to leave?
I'll admit I don't know shit about Japanese law, but I know NDAs, I work with them, I have people working under me with NDAs, and if the answer to my question isn't yet, then NDAs can restrict that, and likely will given the chance.
>If you can pull Cover’s dick out of your mouth, things might seem to make more sense.
I'm not defending Cover, them being a shit company and you being a retard are two completely separate issues, and I'm only here to address the latter one.

>>5010053
The only thing the chinese deserve is a nuclear holocaust.

>>5010153
>Is there laws in Japan stating that NDAs cannot restrict communication with people within a company
Coco didn’t violate an NDA by telling people within the company she was leaving it. They asked her not to tell, but she refused anyway. You are obsessing over absolutely nothing.

>>5010053
Still here, trollchama

>>5010330
>Coco didn’t violate an NDA by telling people within the company she was leaving it.
That may be true, may not be, we can't know if we don't have a copy of her NDA, and it doesn't even matter because it's not what was being discussed.
It was claimed that NDAs can't restrict that communication, not that Coco's didn't.
>They asked her not to tell, but she refused anyway.
Do we know that she told people as soon as she wanted to?
>You are obsessing over absolutely nothing.
As opposed to all the obsessing over extremely important matters that happen every second on this board?

>>5010578
>It was claimed that NDAs can't restrict that communication
Wrong. It was claimed that NDAs aren’t usually restrictive to the point of stoping communication within the company itself, particularly for a reason as simple as “I will be leaving one day”. I made no other claim. That’s it.

>>5009642
As I said, she stood up to management and told the group anyway. There was no agreement pertaining to internal discussion. Hence that part is not included in any possible NDA she might have with Cover.

My point is, Coco made the right move preparing the girls emotionally for what she already decided to do anyway and the result shows in all of the reactions from the other members. They accept and respect her decision, some after they couldn't change her mind, some after they couldn't change her situation. The preparation time you talk about was the time SHE gave all of them by disclosing the information internally.

>>5009033
I believe that is what you would call a joke.

>>5010732
I've got a sample size less than 20, but all the NDAs I've sent out did in fact include sections restricting the discussion of employment status while employed, including things like saying "I just put in my 2 weeks notice". So I guess it boils down to our definitions of "usually" and experience, because from where I stand NDAs do usually restrict it.

>>5010803
You're just speculating that it wasn't.
I do agree with your point, though.

>>5011010
Trolling is just a joke that only one party enjoys.

>>5011216
>I guess it boils down to our definitions of "usually"
A person who is still employed telling someone within the company they will be leaving one day, usually isn’t in an NDA.

>>5011521
I believe that he was being sufficiently obvious that was not meant to be taken seriously.

>>5011668
Obvious to you and I, but evidently not to the anon I called a retard for falling for it.

Just wait for 4 more days, tencent will release a new mobage shit. If suddenly holo get permission for it and bunch of girls start streaming it you know something is up.

>>5012014
This is my biggest fear.

>>5011623
In my experience, saying that you plan to leave the company is usually covered in an NDA.
Yes, saying something like "oh you know, one day I won't be working for Cover, because eventually the heat death of the universe will arrive, and I can't possible be working for Cover after that!" isn't under NDA, but I thought you were being facetious, not that you honestly thought that Coco just said some vague existential babble with no intention to make her concrete intentions to leave known.

>>5011216
>You're just speculating that it wasn't.
You are right at the end of the day we can only speculate but from the wording it was pretty obvious she was told not to and didn't accept that. If that was part of a signed NDA they wouldn't even need to talk about that in the first place, she could just breach in private conversations with the girls and bet on management not finding out. But I guess it could also be that she just straight up openly breached facing the consequences because it was important enough for her.

>>5012292
Your experience means nothing as you have never been an idol or a virtual youtuber. You have no clue what you are talking about.

>>5012292
>In my experience…
anecdotal

>>4998940
>graduate
why would you kick someone off for offending china?

You guys are alright. Hope you make it out of the rabbit hole. Vtubers are kind of cringe at the moment. So much cynicism, greed, autism and degeneacy. A fundamental lack of dignity, standards or trying to be good role models. It's not healthy or productive, which seems to be why there's always drama and meltdowns. Then again, I suppose this is to be expected of any community in which women are revered just for being women. Simping and competition for money has really sullied the genre.

Antis were right. Vtuber fans really are holobronies. It's just about time to back to the things that made us happy. Hope you all come to realize that eventually.

>>5012561
>If that was part of a signed NDA they wouldn't even need to talk about that in the first place
You still talk about saying/not saying things that are in an NDA. Both to remind the bound party of the terms, or to negotiate exceptions. Coco could have very well asked them if she can talk knowing she can't under NDA, because if they give her the go ahead that supersedes the NDA. Then when that got denied she said fuck it and broke NDA anyway, taking her punishment or banking on Cover being lenient to avoid more drama.

>>5012668
>>5012704
My experience of not being an idol or vtuber is worth a million times yours of not being an idol, vtuber, or having worked with NDAs.

>>5013225
Many of us have had to sign NDAs before you sperg. It doesn't make you special.

>>5013296
My experience writing NDAs still beats your experience singing them anon. I'm sorry that me having some meager credentials in the topic made you feel inferior, though. That wasn't the point.

>>5013521
Imagine going on /vt/ to tell lies. You are a literal child.

>>5000097
holy shit you people really aren't even bothering to lurk before posting

>>5013600
I don't understand, do you consider being a small business owner in a similar vein to being a music or movie superstar, where it's so unattainable that anyone claiming to be one is automatically lying?

>>5013865
You aren't a small business owner, you are a teenage retard who probably also a SEAnigger.

>>5013911
You caught me, I'm a 14 year old SEAnigger that likes going on /vt/ to pretend that I'm a small business owner so I can feel superior to anons because my own life is miserable.
so please don't feel too bad about yours, anon.

>>5013225
>My experience
Again with this nonsense? Google the word: anecdotal, then get back to me.

>>5008625
Brittany Venti? How is she involved in that? I thought she only turned herself into a lolcow after claiming that Gura fans are pedophiles

>>5014281
My experience googling the word "anecdotal" leads me to believe you're a retard. I already suspected as much so I don't see the point to your little exercise.

>>5015417
In an argument about what is usually the case (where two people disagree based on their own personal experiences), means that putting so much weight on your own anecdotal story, becomes ridiculous. It gets us nowhere.

>>5015673
You being a retard that misses the point gets us nowhere a lot faster than me presenting weak evidence.

>>5012977

>>5015769
It’s not evidence of what is usually the case, since it is based on a personal anecdote. It doesn’t become proof of what is truly the average.

>>5016008
Should we use our imagination instead since anecdotal evidence isn't acceptable?

>>5016176
>Should we use our imagination instead since anecdotal evidence isn't acceptable?
Neither of those are acceptable.

>>5000348
>idols
ogey

>>5016531
Gotcha, then shut the fuck up because there's nothing for you to discuss then.
Leave this discussion to the adults that understand the limitations of the information available and are able to still have a productive discussion despite of it, instead of turning it into the discussion like a teenager that just discovered logical fallacies.

>>4999864
Drop me Haachaama side channel so I can support her in this time of hardship

>>5016715
>then it’s not of value to discuss then!
That’s been my whole point.

>>5016815
Have you considered that instead of saying you don't want to be part of the discussion, you could just not be part of the discussion?

>>5001819
Explain the chammers hiatus then

>>5016958
My point was that we cannot prove what the average is based on our own personal experiences, as that would get us nowhere. But explaining that it would get us nowhere, actually has some value.

>>5005965
Anon can't read between the lines, poor anon too attached to his chuubas to accept reality

>>5004271
The fuck is the Matsuri line and the fuck she said?

>>5002353
What else would Coco say you stupid retard? Do you think she'd talk shit on management in a hololive stream?

>>5017254
Unironically they need to go back, they are shilling too hard and it’s getting gross. It seems to be the only reason they are here.

>>5017760
>Do you think she'd talk shit on management
She probably isn’t even allowed to. Might not be able to do so even after she leaves. Pretty crazy when you think about it. Even though most people realize all of this isn’t a coincidence, it still allows Cover some level of deniability.

>>4998940
how do i pharse this
haato hurts more than everyone

>>4998940
this is most likely the most believable rrat i've seen on this case.

why do you people think Haachama would be graduated over China when they basically don't care about her at all and haven't harassed her since her first suspension ended?

>>5045735
>can't read for shit
ogey

>>5012014
That or suddenly there's a Genshin arc after Coco leaves

>>5001819
Yeah anon,because she would totally just be blunt and go like ``its the chinks and Cover misses its asshole getting stretched by China so they actively fucking me over`` ,look up corporate speech on google or better yet wait and turn 18+ before posting.

>>5001819
>She basically demolished the rrats
just a reminder to everyone, this is a global /hlgg/ plebbitor. this is how they talk.
they deep throat cover while they post something which contradicts what they're saying to feel superior.
>posts creative differences
>believes corporate speak
this is someone worse than a plebbitor because atleast plebbitors accept they're bootlickers whereas faggots like this do not accept it and push the blame onto girls

>>5046617
He says no one is to blame, then says management restricted Coco’s creative freedom, but somehow doesn’t link that to her leaving.

>>4999763
I don't think they will do a 180 to the point of reestablishing the CN branch (the risk of getting flamed by westerners is huge), but I see it instead as they sending a subtle message to investors, partners, etc, such as "hey, the people who offended China aren't here anymore, we're a company free of controversies now"

>>4999763
>>5047111
Yeah, HoloCN would be detrimental to them now. But I can imagine a lot more sponsored streams with chink mobas and gachas.

>>4998940

i dont have a financial investment in Cover, but if i had, i would cash in my chips right about now. this seem like the begin of a downward spiral.

Give me pekomiko death, rrats!

>>5047111
That's enough to be destroyed in the same way Unlimited was burned down. The ones getting the hardest blow will be HoloEN. Gawr Gura will be spammed and the new antis will demand her to return to be Senzawa.

>>5047314
Marine will be the next one, then Miko and then Pekora

>>5047314
Pekora will betray Miko and have her graduated all for those delicious chink numbers.

>>5047243
Why? if all this writing on the wall turns out to be true they will be back on China, thats heaven for the investors if anything after their stocks dips from this backlash it will be the perfect time to buy in.

>>4998940
When Coco announced her graduation i was very sad and wanted her to stay, now a few days in seeing things slowly unravel i hope every single one of them leave that black company for their sake.

>>5047314
both are iosys artists thats how their beautiful friendship began

pekora is iosys miko and miko is iosys coco they are still friends but focused in their own shit atm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7h7bnYA1LXE
remilia is coco = sakura miko
cirno is miko = pekora

>>5047618
Isreal?

>>5047493
The thing is china is too cocky, and imagine if the covid/uyghur boycott takes off.

>>5047781
yeah listen to ココ (Innocent Key) in youtube same miko elite sounds

they are not subtle about it

>>5046153
it wont be genshin

There was a giant chinese shitstorm because bilibili owned a studio that recently released a gacha game, and bili fucked over most of the competitor streams, including anniversaries and shit (did it to genshin, arknights, girls frontline,etc).

>>5005341
Well "multiple people" leaked the news to Narukami, that's one reason they didn't want her to say anything, chuubas gossip about other chuubas all the time including from different agencies etc.

>>5008410
Nah it was just a joke to get some reaction out of Calli who was probably shocked after learning the news right before the fucking stream is my guess. But there were some other curious episodes like the one she did with Yagoo's recording (it seems like she seriously wanted to do that episode with him) and the one with the "boyfriend" that got her manager into PANIK hit's different when you know she was on her way out and in theory might do somethin really un-idol on a whim, actually when you think about it she was almost certainly trolling the management by sending the title last moment or something.

>>5014712
she's more of an issue with Matsuri, we know for a fact that management told Coco not to include too obvious loli memes in her meme review because she told it Matsuri on stream and it's not that surprising.

>>5018013
She's not forced to defend them either if they were so shitty to her, although it seems like they've made some sort of deal to have Hololive OG's and all that.

>>5047439
Miko hololifu is lifu Sakura? Come on she's on record to love the company so much she would stay behind the scenes even after graduation, it would make Yagoo cry:

>stirs up bunch of shit on her way out
>gives food for rrats
>destroys hololive
>starts a new agency

>>5005895
I don't believe a majority of the people in these threads care in the slightest for the girls

>>5016176
Aren't that what everyone is doing anyways?