/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>50432817
sensitive conservative men.

>>50432817
EN fanbase is a full of people who have been brainwashed into believing that is the correct way to be because the most hardcore of Japanese fans are that way. A bunch of posers.

NIGGERS
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>>50432979
It's funny to think now that when Hololive was first getting popular in the west the threads on /jp/ used to make fun of unicorns in the JP fanbase and mock them. Now this board is full of people trying to unironically emulate them because they think thats how a proper fan should behave.

It's okay when Japanese do it.

>>50432817
It's on you for believing the homo bullshit being posted on here. Correlation isn't causation.

EN fans only have a cargo cult understanding of what "idol culture" even is. It's embarrassing.

>>50432817
The vast majority of the hate goes towards Ame and Kronii, and it’s for the way they handled it. Mori gets hate for reasons unrelated to male collabs (a lot of people are convinced she got Kronii to go full retard with her reaction). People like to use Bae’s low ccv as a shitpost, but few people truly care.
So, there’s your answer, you falseflagging retard. The two who had an attitude towards their fans instead of just shutting up and filtering them got hate for having no idea how to handle schizos and antis like the professional streamers they’re supposed to be.

>>50432817
I have no idea why people tolerate Suisei in the first place.
Anyone understanding Japanese knows she's a massive cunt and would be hated as much as Mori here.

>>50432817
>le noombers!!
stay in your containment thread numbernigger.

>>50433297
You're thinking of laplus

>>50433267
Ame and Kronii are based as fuck for spitting in their "fans" faces. Being passive aggressive and filtering them over time is cringe pussy shit.

>>50433343
>Lapschizo is a Suifag
As expected.

>>50432817
ID likes to be cucked.
JP gets shit too but your EOP ass can't read nip.

>>50432817
Who fucking cares

>>50433410
Everyone hates Laplus though

>>50433410
What the fuck are you talking about nigger, I don't even watch suisei

>>50432817
because shitposters are mainly ESL or EN
they don't watch JP

>>50433163
The original /jp/ populace was like that in response to in essence not understanding why suddenly Towa had a bunch of antis and it just kind of caught on as the default response because it was actually a pretty rare event. Also Holostars was like literal 2view status and people just kinda took pity on them sometimes when nothing else was on at all and back then there essentially were no collabs between them and Hololive besides just a tiny handful ever - in fact it's still like that for all but like 3 Holo girls.

So basically they just weren't an issue because they weren't getting in the way of what we now categorize as the cute girl content. There wasn't a need to call it that back then because it was assumed it was always cute girls content all the time and there wasn't even a concept that maybe someone would try to jeapardize that.

With Tempus, at first people were cautiously optimistic in the same vein of "they probably will have literally nothing to do with the EN girls relax" and that proved very wrong shortly. That is when people started raising a fuss, especially in response to girls who had just seemed so nice being flippant and condescending towards their viewers when asked about it, it was a serious mask off moment for some of them. The presence of the guys inducing formerly-nice-seeming girls to turn bitchy naturally produced resentment at the existence of the guys + their being unfettered if not apparently encouraged to co-ed collab.

>tl;dr starsJP and starsEN went down completely differently in how they operate and what affects they directly had on the girls

>>50432817
These kind of posts can only fool non-nipponese niggers

Why are we timelooping this homobeggar vs unicorn bullshit. Is the yab really so bad that mass deflection is needed?

Suisei doesn't try to seduce and milk her fanbase with ASMRs days after the collab, and has never chastise her fans about how to feel about her. She can't get flak when she never provide 'that kind of service' in the first place. There's a reason why people like Bae don't get as much heat collabing with males as Ame/Mori/Koroni

>>50433726
Except there have always been stars hate on this board. Even before Tempus.
It's literally a case of target's switched. I'm sure if ID stars ever becomes a thing, Tempus will be regarded as "only a few weirdos hated them but we always liked them" just like JP is atm.

>>50432817
>EOP
>no criticism
Suisei have enough normie fans to make up for it. Before that only Matsuri and Fubuki regularly do male collabs, Fubuki has always friendzoned viewers. Matsuri has declined, it was a combination of male collabs, yabs and apex spam. Sora is immune because daisenpai. Towa already yabed long ago so she don't care. Laplus got burned so now she don't care either. ID branch the SEAfags fans dont care. The others JP that did male collabs did so few of them or just once it isn't worth mentioning. EN branch handled the male collab dramas badly while JP proceeded with cautions. Before Tempus Holostars JP was also at least tolerated.

>>50432817
Constant male+female interaction is what inevitably leads to absolutely buttfuck retarded drama, always. Always, no exceptions. A lot of people would rather not have the males from a failed branch interact with the girls. Any group of male and female streamers that hang out for long enough eventually brings drama and other unwanted shit, there's plenty of examples online.

>>50432949
>>50433163
>>50432979
>>50433240
Yes, yes, I agree, my fellow sisters! Those unicorn parasocial fucks should just be ostracized! They should be weeded out the fanbase so only we can be free to schlick our axe wounds to our cute boys!

>>50434111
>Bringing up nijifaggotry
Go back faggot.

>>50434111
What you wrote doesn't even relate to the posts you quoted. Are you okay? Are you having a stroke?

>>50434111
Not even those kind of fans have a problem with just collabs. Reimu got shit for it because she made it seen like she was practically dating Vox.

>>50434165
You homobegging trannies and tempisstroons are literally nijinigger refugees who fled to tempiss after Milord burned you.

>>50434248
Showing off an assblasted nijifaggot going on a menhera rant is not definitive proof you schizophrenic faggot. Go back before you lose the 1% that Riku gives you.

>>50434049
>proceeded with cautions
Anon, they don't even care enough to respond. That's how brainless EN branch girls are. Responding to those very likely trolls who probably don't even watch you and then hurting those who watch you in process is never a good idea. Mori literally got ratiod in the official reddit trying to justify herself responding to those trolls. The loudest you got among JP is probably Towa and even she specified 'her antis' everytime she complained, imagine being dumber than freaking Towa

>>50433914
Sure, whatever. As if a few anons genuinely being seething schizos who hate males is anything comparable to the large number of anons that hate the sight of Tempus.
I don’t even have anything against Tempus. But they definitely took away a lot of the sheen from the terrible way Cover handled things. Vtubers (are supposed to) occupy a middle ground between fleshtubers and anime, in that plenty of us are aware that in real life, men and women hanging out together doesn’t automatically mean they’re fucking and going schizo over a female fleshtuber doing a stream with a guy is pathetic. Getting mad that a lot of people don’t want you to collab with a male breaks that illusion.
The schizos who broke containment and seethed publicly over it are cringe. But a lot of people who kept quiet like they were supposed to just weren’t into it anymore like they used to be.
You can’t expect the same rights as a vtuber as you do as a fleshtuber. Because fleshtubers already exist, and if you just act like them, what’s keeping people from just watching fleshtubers instead? Some people don’t care and just find the addition of an avatar appealing. But clearly way less people, as evidenced by the recline.
>They were always just fleshtubers with an anime avatar
Yeah, I know. That’s the magic of the holobox. Which is practically gone now in EN because several of the members don’t understand that just because you can doesn’t mean you should.

>>50433403
why you no buy their merchs then homobeggar sis?

>>50434404
I do buy Kronii merch, though I'm honestly not a huge Boros fan. I have the keychain though. Fuck buying Ame's merch, she's a dogshit streamer, lmao.

I only care if they flirt. That would turn me into an anti immediately. Also not forgetting chat is watching and keep them involved in the stream rather than a third wheel.

>>50434197
anon just saw from all his chronic threadreading that sarcastically acting like a "sister" to shit on homobeggars was a very popular (You) farming tacting and wanted to try it out as soon as possible, pls understand.

>>50432817
EN fans are entitled, weak, whiny, basedbois lol

>>50434447
not good enough, you gotta buy as much as those that left homobeggar sis! why you have kronii beg people.

>>50434365
>comparable to the large number of anons that hate the sight of Tempus
thats because your on /vt/. hardly anyone on the jp side gives a shit about tempiss

>>50434585
Damn, brain broken by homos and ESL. I'm impressed that you haven't killed yourself yet. Keep it up man, it gets better.

>>50432817
Suisei is literally the Mori of JP but it's okay because she speaks Japanese.

>>50434631
not that anon, but that is because there are hardly any collab between JP girls and tempus.

>>50434748
damn fake sister no come back, smooth brain EOP please learn another language.

>>50434795
>not a new IP
what are you doing here? this thread isn't even about her.

>>50432817
you spend time on an ENGLISH board you fucking idiot

>>50434631
Why would they? This board was created as a containment zone for EOPs. The people there only watch JP vtubers, so of course they wouldn’t give a fuck about whatever Tempus does.

>>50432949
America is littered with failed men (chuds) who are only around to waste resources and shit up society, and they’re protected and coddled by conservatives

Japan bullies that out of you from a young age, even the conservative parties demand a bare minimum of respectability

>>50434957
not him but go back to /pol/

>>50434875
>admitting you are ESL
Bold and cute.

>>50435045
EOP faggots always use perfect grammar on 4chan of all places and very easy to triggered with bad grammar, kek.

>>50432817
Vtubers are more mainstream in Japan and there are a lot of normies in the fanbase. Vtubers in the west are pretty much incel nation.

>>50435111
>getting laughed at for typing like a literal retarded monkey
>h-haha you’re tr-triggered!
now type your posts without crying

>>50433726
>With Tempus, at first people were cautiously optimistic in the same vein of "they probably will have literally nothing to do with the EN girls relax" and that proved very wrong shortly
That's not true at all, the people here began hating them from the debut, and began doomposting even before.

>>50435300
seeth more grammar nazi, i won't fix it. get triggred more.

>>50433267
This. It's not so much the homo collabs that turned many of us into frothing antis, it's the way idiots like Ame and Kronii started acting. I have no animosity toward Bae, or even Mori. They were upfront about things, and never changed who they were or shit on their audience. Ame and Kronii pulled a 180 on their fans then took a fat dump all over them when they didn't happily consume homo content. Kronii especially, turning it into a fucking social media circus and crying to management about it made me hate her guts.

>>50435489
>Ame and Kronii pulled a 180 on their fans then took a fat dump all over them when they didn't happily consume homo content.
ame was gushing all over the homos before starsEN were even conceived as a possibility, did you memoryhole all her tweets gushing about shien's 3d debut? she's never even done a 1-1 collab with any of them.

>>50435489
It still fucking baffles me that people were blindsided by Ame reaching out to Stars eventually
The writing was in massive bold letters on the walls for over a fucking year

>>50435489
Calli did do it, just not as Calli, and even as Calli she got downvoted on hololive reddit, the first and only talent to get treated as such. Bae is upfront.

>>50435577
>Calli
>Calli
>Calli

>>50435543
Yeah, she was a gray area, which is why I said especially Kronii. Ame can't help being a bitch about most things, this was just no different than usual.

>>50435577
Does anyone have a link to that post?

Only a small minority of HoloJPs do male collabs. The norm there is no male collabs and the male audience obviously prefers that. The exceptions are the early gens before that became the norm and chuubas that had yabs early on that made the normal holo demo more difficult to obtain (e.g. Towa). This norm has never been threatened since it has existed and people that prefer it have never gone without a multitude of options.

>>50435635
what is it retard? you can speak words yes? i always call her Calli not Mori.

>>50435489
She never promised not to collab with males. The whole "turnaround" only happened on schizos heads.

>>50434795
>Suisei is literally the Mori of JP
Oh no anon you will trigger the hoshiyomis who think she's completely different from her despite saying multiple times that Mori is her oshi

>>50435543
Ame did a date stream within one month of her debut.

>>50435760
so? Bae did that kind of thing multiple times now

>>50435719
Its not the collabs that are the issue. Those could be easily ignored. It's the way they treated their fans for not liking it, you can't really put that cat back in the bag after showing the absolute disdain you have for your audience.

>>50432817
EN VTubers are not entertaining or funny, hence there is only one way to justify watching them, and that's pretending they're e-hostesses.
Western audiences are also extremely selfish, and see the relationship between the oshi and their fan as transactional - just like the rest of their misbegotten lives.
> I pay her, she should pander to me!
And if they "feel" they're not getting their money's worth, they'll start sperging out like irate "customers".
In Japan, a fan always puts their oshi above themselves in all but one scenario -
> lying to their fans
A fan-oshi relationship is one of absolute trust. There IS a somewhat transactional element to it, but instead of it being a materialistic exchange, it's more of a voluntary donation out of passion for what they give us freely.
A transaction has limits. Freely given passion doesn't.
This is also why all the best chuuba fangames were made by fans of JP chuubas.

>>50435816
>Anonymous 05/30/23(Tue)02:49:37 No.50435816▶
>>>50435760 (You)
>so? Bae did that kind of thing multiple times now
Yes, and she has the runt excluding Sana since her debut as males prefer not to be cucked.

>>50435738
Kek eop faggot right here

>>50435691
Keep doing so, using Calli is a good indicator to tell if we can instantly disregard a post.

>>50435888
>(You)
>Timezone leak
oof

>>50435888
*has been the runt

>>50435888
ok and ? she's and all of the EN girls are still making more money this year than 2022.

>>50435902
okay i will disregard you retards.
>>50435688
that involve work. from what i remember it was after she handled the cuck meme badly, she posted in a thread that was related to it, the comment "can we all just have fun" and people downvoted her to the negative for it. This is in contrast to the norm of any hololive members posting on the official reddit getting upvoted to heaven.

>>50435930
ok

>It's all just like this because they are imitating jp idolfagging and doing it wrong!!!
Gotta love all the homobeggar cope in this thread. Like you all are some newfags headcanoning the glaring differences away between HolostarsJP and EN. Even to this day there are way less people who hate HolostarsJP and their occasional collabs compared Tempiss and how all that shit got handled by EN management and homobeggars alike. And I'm not gonna list that shit again, because you fucking know. What I'm gonna point out however is the usual - At least consider to actually support your homos instead of continuing to bitch and moan and find excuses while others are wrong for not wanting the homos to constantly hang on the side of the branch people very obviously are actually interested in like a bunch of leeches. It's just sad at this point. Since you are all so very morally superior and actually do idolfagging right, how do think it's for them when they only get anything from you fucks when they collab and then you ghost the shit out of them when they don't? You can't act like others have a shallow understanding of this, when you can't even manage to do the most basic part of it - actually supporting them yourself!

>>50435863
That's literally what they are though. You make content I like, I give you money. In what world is that not a transactional business model? JPs aren't doing this shit for free, they're exactly the same. And so are their fans, if their chuuba of choice stops providing a service they enjoy, they stop forking over the cash.

They're mascots putting on a show for tips, nothing more, nothing less.

>>50435816
Bae has underperformed because mixing this and male collabs are not ideal for most men unless they have a cuck fetish.

>>50435888
Why are turkish like this

>>50435300
>now type your posts without crying
Now type your posts without crying.

>>50435896
You don't even watch your own "oshi", larping EOP

>>50432817
because you can't read JP anon, some of them are also like the unicorns you see /here.

>>50436067
For someone with such a likeable personality, tons of talent, streams like a workhorse constantly, great singing voice, sexo model ... Bae could have been huge if she didn't debuff herself like this. But instead she's barely above the basement-tier with Anya and Iofi, hope it was worth it to her.

>>50436128
>no u
Fuckin got me

>>50434631
Because tempiss don't exist for the JP side. They won't even ask "who" due to how inexistant they are here and will just supose you are having some schyzophenia attac if you mention them.

>>50435888
>Yes, and she has the runt excluding Sana since her debut
If you mean just council then she wasn't. Fauna was actually below her in total subs, SCs, until around the big NA offcollab arc, which was basically the starting point of Faunas recent growth.

>>50435863
any Vtubers, EN or JP, get money and support because they are doing something the fans like. Passion is literally support, not trust or fan-oshi relationship schizo shit.
You do things people like = gain money and support
You do people dislike = lose money and support
How hard is it to understand? You are just sugarcoating it.

>>50436195
Nta but he fixed your capitalization and punctuation, you should thanks him.

>Ame and Kronii lied to >us
Did you guys ever considered the reason they didn't do male collabs from the start was because there were no males to collab with?

>but Holostars JP
They can't speak japanese unlike Bae. It's why Bae is more familiar with Holostars from debut.

>>50432979
It's actually turbo /r9k/ incels that found their way into Vtubing when they figured out that some of them stick to idol philosophies. I followed chuubas in the past and while some JP fans acted a bit radical, nothing even comes close to the faggotry of EN fans. SEA gets blamed a lot for this for some reason (even tho' I hate them personally) but it's the neo-puritan amerimutts spreading this type of cancer among vtubing fans. They will have you believe that a girl just TALKING to another man makes you a "cuck".
Japanese fans that are extreme gachis just dont like to see a girl displaying a boyfriend. EN fans hate ANY type of interaction. Even a comment liked on twitter is a total disaster to them.
Basically, they are subhuman mongoloid retards that should be kicked out of any fanbase. Both turbo unicorns and turbo lefties that encourage "inclusive enviroments" and attack people for playing Hogwarts legacy. Those two groups are the same garbage.

>>50434165
>>50434197
>>50434213
>talks were about unicorns
>Anon put picrel
>niji out of nowhere
You guys got to stop having them live rent free in your head

>>50436417
>Did you guys ever considered the reason they didn't do male collabs from the start was because there were no males to collab with?
Yes, and since the norm in HoloJP was no male collabs, this was a perfectly reasonable assumption for them to make.

>>50434049
>Matsuri has declined, it was a combination of male collabs
Considering that she has been doing male collabs from the start, how did she incline in the first place?

>>50436586
Did you somehow miss ever Hololive JP member that has collabed wit males pre-EN debuts?

>deleted
kek

>>50436417
not them, but you must be blind, the main issue is how they handled it: Their "i won't do it" then shit on fans to do it anyway vs Bae's "i will simply do it".

>>50436517
Well put, I have been watching Hololive since 2019 and it was never as bad as this pre /vt/ during the /jp/ days

>>50436517
The SEA boogeyman is hilarious considering HoloID collabs with male vtubers and flesh streamers all the time.

>>50432817
Every tempiss fan has committed a crime and it's demanding something at the cost of the core business model and then giving it up. See the "popular demand" posters? they're the best posters on /vt/, bar none, homofaggots and Mori deserve to suffer harder.

also StarsJP >>>>>> Cringy Tempiss that tries so hard to be like Offline TV

>>50436417
It was perfectly reasonable to assume that Ame and Kronii wouldn't collab with men if they existed as that was the norm in the HoloJP.

>>50435994
>>50436303
thanks for proving my point

>>50436610
Funny, yabai, motivated, coomer baits, gachikoi baits, so many funny clips of her. She was ranked around 15 at one point of ALL vtubers, followed closely by Haachama, it was a battle of the two in the ranking.

>>50436784
>the norm in the HoloJP.

>>50436626
I mistyped, but that wasn't the norm in HoloJP and only a small minority did coed collabs when Myth debuted.

>>50436818
not sure which anon are you, but if you are the schizo, take your med.

>>50436872
Yes. Look up the word if you don't know what is means. Posting an exception doesn't negate that genius.

You primarily see criticism for english vtubers because this is an english board. Aside from that, it's also because JPs are less retarded and don't handle unicorn outrage by spitefully pouring gas on the fire.

>>50436517
>neo-puritan amerimutts
Also Western and Eastern European social rejects. Mostly Eastern European.

>>50432817
Bruh, most JP stars are on their fuckig tiptoes when collabing with the girls.
Besides, my son Roberu is a well-behaved gentleman and a veteran IM@S producer. He wouldn't dare to act inappropriately towards the girls unlike his kohai in Tempus

>>50436892
>>50436926
So you guys just assumed that Kronii and Ame were anti male? If that's the case then their "betrayal" is all in your heads anons.

>>50432817
>matsuri
>towa
>laplus
HoloJP is a powerhouse though and most of the girls tow the line so everyone is more relaxed
If they started going through an identity crisis like EN 100% you'd see the same hostility among JP fans

>>50436824
So male collabs weren't a problem back then?

>>50432817
>people are not mad at streams that they mostly don't watch in a language that they mostly don't understand, as much as streams that they regularly watch in their native or second language
shocking, I know

>>50436993
Accommodating your (largely male) audience's preferences doesn't make you anti-male. It just makes you considerate of your audience.

>>50436784
>perfectly reasonable to assume that Ame wouldn't collab with men
This confirms you never watched her or understood her. She likes helping people, friends and coworkers. She would never ignore the Homos, She would try to promote them as much as possible, like in her karaoke duets, she wouldn't refuse the Homos on joining her Worms collab after most of the girls were too busy to participate, she selfishly offers being a substitute in one of Calli's male collabs. Because she loves Hololive and Cover. I'm proud of my oshi because she's a kind and wonderful person that tries to improve herself and inspire people to be better and happier.

>>50435863
The only idols in en are gura and sana, and both achieved their goals. The problem is the rest are just egirls with anime png and their goals are all basically make money and learn Japanese. Honestly, I feel like mori got a pass by her fans because she's out there trying achieve her dreams.

>>50432817
>clickbait clip
>false image of what holoJP actually looks like
So this is how the homobeggars are running with the story? Some clip clickbaiting vague interacting with a holoJP, and in turn argue that holoEN should and encouraged to collab with Tempiss?

>>50436980
Funny how I never ever see Eastern Europe in chuuba analytics. One small chuuba that I follow recently showed her stats and even fucking Bangladesh was higher than Poland, Hungary, Romania, etc. I don't know where are you getting that info.

>>50436995
They were, but they were so rare that when it did happened they were tolerated. It also helped JP males understand idol culture.

Collabing with Homos is acceptable as long as you bring other things to the table besides parasocial streams. Suisei, Fubuki, all the rest are good enough entertainers that people watch them for reasons other than a virtual GF. Meanwhile Kronii can't fake enthusiasm to save her life and Ame has stopped being creative since 2021. Not to mention both of them went the extra mile to spite their fans, pic related. The only comparable JP that has done this was Matsuri.

>>50437133
FYI I watched her from debut and was a member for a long time. I certainly didn't expect her conduct.

>>50436659
That's because Stars JP mainly kept to their fucking lane and weren't forced down your throat like Tempus was. If Aqua and Rushia had been gung ho about collabing with them or even their genmates had started collabing with them the way Myth and Council did with Tempus, you'd see some different reactions.

1. Suisei's interaction is not the norm
2. IRL idols and virtual idols are not the same category.

Do you even know IM@S had a male branch? Guess where they ended up?

>>50437165
Mori is not for me anymore, but I can respect the grinding that she does. Probably the hardest worker in EN along with Kiara.

>>50437314
If half of HoloJP suddenly decided to do coed collabs, one could make a fortune shorting cover's stock.

>>50437339
>Suisei's interaction is not the norm
lol

>>50437236
You never cared about her enough to understand her.
And FYI I watched her even before her debut.

>>50437436
>lol
Out of the 35 hololive talents, how many of them have interacted with Roberu directly? You have been homobegging for almost 5 years now you can answer this simple question right?

>>50432979
>>50436517
No, Hololive was billed and sold as CGDCT. That's what made them famous and popular. EN was supposed to be Hololive but in English. Despite some slight differences, they mostly accomplished this. Then Tempus came along and destroyed the CGDCT vibe. It's like when your favorite game gets remade in a shit way or your favorite TV show or movie suddenly decides to reboot for the teen audience or the woke audience.

>>50432817
>Furthermore, male collabs are said to be the main cause of Holo EN's declining numbers
This is said by retards who want it to be the reason. If you look at the numbers of the EN girls who collabed with men (Amelia, Kronii, Bae, Calli), they're down just as much as the ones who haven't (Ina, Gura, Kiara, IRyS, Fauna and Mumei). That's why other branches aren't affected.

As to Suisei in particular, she's made her disgust for gachikoi fans plain all along. At this point I think it's even part of why they find her sexy, so adding a bit of NTR probably only makes them hornier for her.

>>50437174
>Matsuri
>idol culture
????

>>50437450
I'm less "parasocial" than you I guess.

>>50437499
>Hololive was billed and sold as CGDCT
so where is it in the terms of service?

>>50437487
Oh I thought you're talking about how Suisei doesn't normally collab with homos

>>50436784
>It was perfectly reasonable to assume that Ame and Kronii wouldn't collab with men if they existed as that was the norm in the HoloJP.

>>50437560
Oh I don't know, maybe consider the CCV, and merch numbers from JP to EN despite the fact that EN's audience is literally 10x bigger? Does John Wick have to state that it's an action movie for your stupid ESL mind to comprehend? Since they don't say John Wick: Action Movie in the title, perhaps you won't mind if they suddenly turn into romcoms.

>>50437566
Fucking retard, you are, then.

>>50437551
>understanding people is parasocial
I guess the only non parasocial people are autists then? lol

>>50437590
yes it was reasonable to expect HoloEN, which debuted only girls at the time, to reflect the norm of the main branch, HoloJP.

>>50436549
>post pic about niji
>"WHY ARE YoU TALKING ABOUT NIJI?!? RENT FREE LOL"

>>50437604
wait, you mean I have to pay to watch Hololive?

>>50437133
She's also been swooning over Shien since... practically day one?
Here's a sample: https://twitter.com/watsonameliaEN/status/1413816429074259968

>>50432817
>>50434049
>declined
*reclined
They're not sitting in a chair.

>>50434111
>posting twitter screenshots
>unicorn larping
You're giving me mixed signals here. Are you trying to fit in or no?

>>50437662
you clearly never watched ame or kronii if you thought they didn't want to collab with holostars.

>>50437590
apparently you expected HoloEN to reflect NIJJP rather than HoloJP? Pretty stupid of you.

>>50437765
Kronii filtered me within a week. I watched Ame and I was a member. I didn't expect it.

>>50437770
no I expect people who claim to be fans of a streamer to actually watch their streams

>>50437662
The only thing that prevented an Ame/Shien collab was the language barrier and his autism. Besides the fact that the "norm" of HoloJP always was that Holostars were allowed, if rare.

The only "norm" of Hololive was a girl making youtube videos to promote 3D capture tech.

>>50437499
I agree I'm not a fan of males at all. But to screech at any interaction with males even on twitter, even when they are not even on stream, like let's say they never ever collab with girls, but some girls help them promote some of their stuff like mentioning it on stream or retweeting shit, etc. EVEN that kind of stuff is a huge problem apparently. Even one phone call PER YEAR during a totsu is seen as "cucking".
Like that is on a whole nother level of faggotry. I get why people prefer watching only girls. I like watching only girls too. But to get mad at every interaction ever is insanity to me.

>>50437487
Don't know why you made this about Roberu so here's a list of Hololive JP talents who have interacted with someone from Holostars:
Sora, Roboco, Suisei, Azki, Mel, Fubuki, Matsuri, Aki, Choco, Towa, Polka, Laplus

That's 12 people, so over one third. Also I'm only counting "real" interactions so things like Watame tweeting at Kaoru once don't count. Have I missed anyone?

>>50437862
Pretty disingenuous since the people screeching about twitter interactions and twitter interactions ONLY are probably in the single digits. Pretty much every Holo has had a twitter interaction. But what people don't like is the forced collabs, the "like it and leave it" attitude that EN has adopted. Mumei even had one collab with a Star and nobody really hates her for it. It's the twitter interactions with the forced collabs, with everything else.

>>50437808
>>50437236
Wasn't Ame a big fan of Shien before Tempus was even a thing?

>>50437949
Yes but apparently the unicorn larpers saw her livetweeting Shien's 3D debut and still thought she would avoid male collabs

>>50437862
it's a shit test, like it or not.

>>50437816
1)The norm is to avoid coed collabs. Being allowed doesn't make it the norm. A small minority doing it doesn't make it the norm either.

2) Ame did collabs with HoloJP chuubas despite the language barrier but she didn't collab with the stars, so that isn't a good argument.

>>50438029
>A small minority
Over a third of the branch is a small minority?

good to have confirmation male collabs and bug eating go hand in hand

>>50438057
1/3 wouldn't be the norm, but it is even less than 1/3, as a good chunk of the early gens moved away from the coed collabs too.

>>50438114
That 1/3 isn't counting people like Ayame and Subaru who did male collabs in like 2019 and then stopped, it's only counting recent interactions.

>>50437865
Great! Next are 2 questions:
1. Do those 12 people made collabing with homo their regular content, or is it less than 10% of what they did.
2. What is the average ccv for those 12 people compared to the average ccv of the rest of the 23 people?

>>50432817
japanese vtubers are professional

>>50438029
1) Oh, you meant "norm" as an abbreviation for "normal". I meant a norm as in moral or social norm, what you are supposed to do or not do.

2) Yes, but not despite their autism. She only collabed with the approachable JPs.

>>50438194
Why are you going off rare interactions if you retards are talking about norms?

>>50438201
Yeah this cope that unicorns are a quiet schizo minority falls apart when comparing numbers. Also the big difference is unlike flesh idols, the customer base don't care about boyfriends etc as long as they keep that shit off stream.

>>50438201
>resorting to numberfagging
yikes

>>50438201
1. Define regular
2. What has CCV to do with all of this?

>>50438271
Not really. I will never give those 2 whores in council my view.

>>50438258
Ame has also interacted with Holostars only a few times so I don't see how that's different?

>>50438194
>recent interactions
You moved from collabs to "interactions" and I'm not even sure that's true.

>>50432817
this "the Japanese don't have unicorns"
narrative homoniggers keep trying to push is getting old

>>50432817
same script?

>>50438282
>>50438286
>What has CCV to do with all of this?
Popularity. Unicorns watch and buy merch of girls who don't interact with them. Homobeggars on the other hand never watch the girls (nor the homos).

>Define regular
I already did. Was it worth 10% of their content or not?

>>50435111
It's not that your grammar is poor. You just type like a third world retard and can't even get your own point across.

>>50438316
I said interactions because a collab is a specific thing, for example Laplus has technically never done an actual collab with Holostars but she did interact with them a lot in the eceleb Rust server which I'm sure unicorns count.

>>50438346
Lol, don't remind me of that homobeggar artist who brought merchandise to a con, fans walked up and thanked her for supporting da boyz without buying anything

>>50437133
She collabed with her holojp senpais a decent amount, why couldn't she do even one collab with jp stars before tempus if she's so keen on helping them? I think she just got butthurt from the backlash to tempus collabs and her contrarianism kicked in. The Altare duet didn't help him, it only got schizos to go after him. It was just for revenge to disobedient teamates

>>50437165
Gura is a turbo e-girl. She even does the "uwu asdlkj random XD" e-girl shit from 10 years ago. Why do people not get this?

Ame and Kroni lost viewers because they decided to be retards. Mori is always losing viewers because long rpgs and just a history of being dumb.

On the flipside Kiara who's flat out said she wouldn't ever do a normal/casual collab with the stars is almost always on the bottom.

It's generally about attitude. Actual honest to god unicorns are a small minority and most of them don't even really supa all that often. I think too many people see the retards here and on SEA facebook groups and assume that's how everyone in vtubing is. The truth is Vtubing was always just about streamers being silly with face rigging tech and anime style avatars. Idolshit is fine but it's not the end all be all of vtubers.
t. Was watching the gorilla vtuber years ago casually

https://twitter.com/watsonameliaEN/status/1413816429074259968

Teacucks... how could she betray us like this...

>>50438461
People really saw this whole twitter thread and thought she would never collab with males huh

>>50438346
>Popularity. Unicorns watch and buy merch of girls who don't interact with them
So do the people that also watch homos. Mori sells a lot even if her CCV isn't the highest, same for people like Fubuki and others. Homobegger is a category that doesn't exist, it's the equivalent of numberfags here, they don't watch stream to begin with and just wank about something tangential to. The fact you absolute mongoloids convinced themselves homobeggars aren't just shitposters and virtue signaler tourists but real people that hold some kind of sway over girls is insane actually.

>I already did. Was it worth 10% of their content or not?
Yes? Everyone loves Suisei or Fubuki or Polka, even Mori.

>>50438371
So let's say:
Sora
Suisei
Akirose
Fubuki
Mel (birthday call-in)
Matsuri
Towa (Ollie's Apex thing)
Polka (sponsored collab)
Laplus (RUST)

Not quite a third. And mostly from earlier gens, so you can see there was a cultural shift after Sankisei.

>>50438546
Well, she didn't for a whole year after that so it wasn't that wrong. It was tempus that made her go all out

>>50438592
+Azki
+Roboco and Choco

>>50435577
Mori got downvoted specifically for engaging with a week old cuck post from a legitimate anti on Twitter

>>50438568
I think people forget that simps and yesmen have been around the internet for a long time and they aren't that rare. People like Ame and Kronii have still lost a decent amount of viewership, because not everyone is willing to put up with anything they do, but they'll still always have decent viewership

>>50432817
JP girls didn't do it to specifically spite their respective fanbases unlike EN.

>>50438762
Neither did EN, but you'll never be convinced of that because that would it wasn't about you.

>>50438592
>Towa (Ollie's Apex thing)
https://youtu.be/Vq1JvrkiFow
Kenzokucks... not a straight up tempiss collab on her own channel with no margin for cope... this can't be happening to us...

>>50438732
Kronii is doing fine, but I am shocked at Ame's numbers because she always seemed up there with Ina in the past. I don't think her decline is homo related. I had completely forgotten about her until recently, which is probably related to her lowered view count.

>>50438415
>why couldn't she do even one collab with jp stars before tempus if she's so keen on helping them?
Because they didn't ask her? The only instance of a StarsJP mentioning Ame is Astel donating on one of her streams, even then he backed off quickly after collab beggars started screeching. Also Ame wasn't good at initiating collabs (she's working on it)
>I think she just got butthurt from the backlash to tempus collabs and her contrarianism kicked in
Sounds like projecting. Anyone still arguing this shit is either an unicorn larper or an weird autist like Chris chan
>The Altare duet didn't help him, it only got schizos to go after him
Schizos don't really need a reason to go after someone. That said, I did mute the duet, because I don't like how that homo sings, after it ended I just unmuted and kept enjoying my Ame karaoke.

>>50438836
>Anyone still arguing this shit is either an unicorn larper or an weird autist like Chris chan
Or they just don't watch streams. None of the girls did anything to spite their fans. Some might have been planning on kowtowing to unicorn pressure, but changed their mind. But even this wasn't done to spite their unicorn fans, it was just doing what they had originally planned on doing, but started waffling on after the initial backlash.

>>50432817
No one cares about IDs and ID fans in general love shipping female and male streamers

JPs absolutely get shit for it, it depends on the person though. With someone like Matsuri or Fubuki that train left the station ages ago. See what happensif it werw someone like Rushia, Kanata, Okayu, Miko etc.

>>50438809
Ame's main numbers issue were the lack of schedule, constant stream cancellations and overworking herself with stuff like her 3D studio when she already had tummy hort because of her unhealthy lifestyle.

>>50433267
Who'd have believed shitting on your fanbase would make people upset with you?

>>50438809
Kronii used to easily be the number one council member, but now she's often below Fauna and Mumei, but it's still close. I was a teamate before tempus, but I was already losing interest around that time. She has often felt burnt-out for a long time. Now she streams only on weekends and doesn't really do creatividad streams anymore

>>50438972
>lack of schedule, constant stream cancellations
Yeah, this makes sense to me. It's also why I ended up kind of forgetting about her. She started feeling less and less like a member of Hololive. Not in the way that Gura was just abandoning her post, but still kind of interacting less and being less consistent.

>>50438786
>Neither did EN
lmao look at this revisionistroon hard at work

>>50439066
True, but I think that Kronii started losing ground to Fauna and Mumei long before the homodrama saga. Kronii's initial popularity seemed largely based around her sex model and deep voice. But she was inconsistent with streams, took breaks, and never really found a niche the way Fauna or Mumei did. I'm actually shocked she's maintained the views that she has, especially considering the male collabs.

>>50439082
She got a semi regular schedule now, Watson Weekend (Friday, Satuday and Sunday) plus a member's stream, guerilla or collab if we're lucky. So far she has cancelled only one stream, but still got some delays. Hopefully she keeps the schedule and her numbers recover.

>>50438836
I don't think it was only the holojp members that initiated the collabs. She did pursue them herself often.
She said crossbranch collabs would only happen every now and then, but then decided to do a shill month for Tempus and streamed with them every week for a month, organizing most of the collabs herself. I don't think many expected that. It obvious something changed her mind and she's a known contrarian (ameway). It isn't farfetched to come to the conclusion that the backlash made her turn up the collabs

>>50439337
That's great. Don't mistake me, I wasn't trying to shit on Ame. I was just remarking on my recent observations of her numbers and my own attitude (or lack thereof) towards her. I'm sure she'll find success again.

>>50438836
>That said, I did mute the duet, because I don't like how that homo sings, after it ended I just unmuted and kept enjoying my Ame karaoke.
kek imagine thinking that this is normal behavior
literally couldn't handle it so you muted
it's like fags that filter things on this shitty site
>la la la i can't hear you!
tier
you are a cuckicorn lmao

>>50439339
>I don't think it was only the holojp members that initiated the collabs
I know Kiara initiated a bunch of collabs between EN, JP and ID, probably the reason that the JP Homos weren't included. I really can't see Ame initiating a collab with JP. I could see her accepting the invitation for a collab between holoEN and StarsJP, which she later kinda did when Aruran organized a Gartic Phone group collab. She did organize the Worms collab, but iirc only Reine was interested, so she decided to invite Tempus, same with the other collab she organized, the space game I can't remember the name of.
>It isn't farfetched to come to the conclusion that the backlash made her turn up the collabs
Yes it is, take your meds.

The majority of holojp doesn't do male collabs and it's what the majority male audience prefers. Nothing hard to understand about that roasties and fujoshits.

>>50434795
Uhhh hello, she isn't fat

>>50439683
"I don't like it, I won't watch it" is a totally acceptable reaction, but these weirdos act like a collab with a male forever tarnishes the Holo because it's somehow the same as having sex, but not even normal sex, but the most depraved orgies that turn funny anime girls playing video games into the most vindictive and untrustworthy whores. It's fucking retarded.

>>50439558
>Yes it is, take your meds.
lol
>t. never watched ame before and doesn't know that she'll do the exact opposite of what people ask her to do when she's pissed off
Watch streams
Faggot.

>>50439558
>I really can't see Ame initiating a collab with jp
Mel, haachama, roboco. You think she didn't ask any of them? She could have said she's interested in starsjp collabs and waited for an invitation if she really was interested before tempus
And Ame getting mad at her fans and then making the stream experience worse has never happened. Good job

The western streaming culture is more mentally ill.

It’s even tolerated here by losers who are genuinely in love with streamers, now it’s just the norm.
Their cognitive dissonance and intellectual reasoning is off the fucking cliff. Go watch these people talk about Kronii or Fauna or something.

>>50437504
but anon that wouldn't fit our narrative

>>50439683
But why do they prefer it that way? They’re putting this cringeworthy appeal of purity and male jealousy onto the talent.

>>50439919
> It's a total coincidence that HoloEN was basically halved after tempus debuted
Ogey

>>50433726
wow none of what you said is true

>>50432817
EN girls offer barely anything and on top of it collab with men... Trash.

>>50437504
There seems to be a divide between homocollabers and better holos here with the exception of Kiara that streams for EU

>>50439987
The numbers were already declining post covid lockdowns and before tempus even was announced. You'd have to be blind not to notice it, and it wasn't just Hololive, but EN vtubers as a whole.

Anons were already complaining about numbers in threads and having their JP vs EN number wars. You just chose to notice it after tempus was a thing.

This thread is filled to the brim with roastie stink. Utterly disgusting

>>50440017
Where is HoloJP and ID in this?

>>50440068
Look how close to holojp en was before tempiss and cope

Half of the West is cognitively impaired. These people have seeped into the board and will spout all sorts of paradoxical parasocial fucking nonsense.

People in the generals are even worse. They’re mentally ill and exude the same qualities of the worst /a/ posters.

>>50440068
not to this extent. it's ridiculous to think it's entirely coincidental.

>>50440105
Only jp is excluded, because they dominate now

>>50440107
>EN in lockstep with JP untill Tempiss then starts to diverse and fall off a cliff
Uhhhhh Homo sisters our cope?

>>50432817
Because EN whores have to preach and shame their viewers who don't like it. They get mad that some of their fans don't want it and some are intentionally doing it to provoke those people. JPs know at this point that most of their fans don't like homo colabs, but they don't try to insult them for not liking it. They just do the collabs and don't get upset about the fans who didn't like it. That's why they hardly faced any outrage and are able to still retain a portion of their fans.
>but Matsuri did recline
From talking off her fans who didn't like Apex streams. Also from getting into drama with other talents that push the question of if they are actually close friends or do they just put up with her antics.
>but the hand
Because she projected an image of being inexperienced/lonely. Still there was barely a decline, especially compared to later on when she got into a drama regarding Haachama and Rushia.

You can even find out there a clip of Matsuri just accepting how much her likability has gone down, but she doesn't blame it on her fans for not liking her content, she accepts it was her own mistakes and decisions that led to this.

>>50440007
Lol

>>50439987
Unironically, yes. It tracks with western industry trends. Most normalfags, redditors, and tourists don't care at all about that shit.

>>50435323
>the people here
/vt/ is only a small part of the fanbase anon

>>50440107
The numbers were still steadily going down from that chart and you forgot the part where a bunch of EN just straight up has no streams for people to watch.

i wonder if you guys are just shitposting or unironic unicorn

>>50432817
>Only EN girls get flak
Where were you when Aki had a devoted schizo anti on the catalog for awhile after appearing on same series with Roberu as pic

>>50439932
Because no one wants to listen to a male voice while watching their preferred vtuber. Especially male vtubers always trying to make their voice deeper or to sound cool to appeal to women or flirting. I like watching Asmongold and Dr. Disrespect but watching male vtubers? That shit's gay as fuck.

>>50440278
begging the question (petitio principii)
if you assume the fanbase doesn't care about it, then it's a coincidence.

>>50440278
Small corpos seem to be doing better than ever. Now imagine if en management debuted en3 instead of two gens of homos that only drag holoen down they could have actually done something to help holoen incline like id3 did for the id branch.

>>50432817
Because fans of the boys who don't like female collabs don't say anything, they just silently leave.

>>50440176
Half of Myth wasn't streaming, Council didn't pick up the slack and EN3 that should have been a fresh injection didn't materialize. Here, an actual explanation.
The biggest problem is most likely EN3 being delayed, new girls new interactions etc. increase curiosity and viewers.

>>50440430
I think most of it is on the talents themselves. ID still inclined despite male collabs because they stream a lot. Hololive EN's streaming frequency went down the gutter while JP and ID was still on the grind.

>>50440387
That’s a good point. Lot of male vbribers are made to appeal to women.
It has to be a little deeper though when collabs are being discussed as the interaction is then between the streamers.

To me it’s just the simple fact that viewers are romantically invested with their girls and don’t want men getting close.

>>50440107
This graph shows that EN was generally trending downwards before Stars and just continued to do so after, likely exacerbated by Gura and Ina (the two with consistently high viewers) going on extended breaks around the same time.

>>50440387
>Dr. Disrespect
How do you unironically mention the two time champ, who plays a persona on stream, as different or better than watching male vtubers?

I can understand not liking fujoshits and gaybaiting, but not all male tubers do that shit in their solo streams

>>50439861
>When Ame does something I don't like it means she's personally attacking me!
Again, please take your meds

>>50439879
>Mel, haachama, roboco. You think she didn't ask any of them?
She obviously didn't. Mel always tries to collab with members of a new gen. Haachama was on her HoloEN0 story arch and was very close to Myth, Roboco saw a cute girl playing Apex and she wanted to play with her. There was also a story about Ame and Aqua playing Apex off stream while waiting for Roboco, they wanted to collab but never did because they're both shy and dumb. I assume Ame initiated the VR collab with Roboco though, because she wanted to test her tech. The Minecraft tours are obviously off limits for the Stars. The final nail in the coffin for your argument is her Birthday stream, as a reminder she didn't even know she had to invite the people to call her during the stream. Myth had to rush to save her and even Reine had to step in.

>She could have said she's interested in starsjp collabs and waited for an invitation if she really was interested before tempus
No, as I said, she's shy, but also a bit prideful, being rejected would've been too hurtful. We're talking early days after debut here, after being tard wrangled by Kiara she developed her communication skills and got over her fear of rejection.

>And Ame getting mad at her fans and then making the stream experience worse has never happened
She told a bunch of mentally unstable people to control their emotions and mature, those people are not her fans, they never saw her as a streamer, just a 2D waifu to masturbate and are forever damned to jump from oshi to oshi after they eventually chastise them until they end up as paypigs for morally bankrupt women that will whisper sweet lies about how they're so worthy of love and they're perfect in every way, while their lives keep spiraling down into depression, without friends, family, health, until they kill themselves.

>>50440348
That was also a problem before tempus. Now imagine if there was en3 instead of 2 homogens

The real issue is getting unicrons off the board.

>>50440556
People just need to understand that they're just coworkers. Don't project your cuck fantasies onto the girls. The healthy way to go about it is just to not watch those collabs.

>>50432817
Male collab = whore.
Doesn't matter the branch.

>If you’re nothing without EN3, then you shouldn’t have it

>>50440644
We were here first, you create your own tranny board.

>>50440681
>Sora is a whore
Do you kiss your mother with that mouth

>>50440624
The fact is there wasn't and the staff hasn't found enough candidates for EN3. After the yabs that happens with vtubers over that time. The team would definitely made auditions/scouting a lot stricter than before.

EN3 will come, eventually.

>>50435577
>Calli
kys

>>50440721
Yes, I unsubscribed already.

>>50440623
So she was terminally shy and a helpless baby, but tempus had to be saved by her so she completely changed as a person, got it. Totally not mindless babble from a coping teakek.
After changing my oshi once from ame I have been satisfied with her, thanks for asking. There are some vtubers that are capable of respecting their audience believe it or not

>>50440877
>but tempus had to be saved by her so she completely changed as a person
It specifically says Kiara opened her up to collabs, you're either a dumb speedreader or a malicious piece of shit.
>After changing my oshi once from ame I have been satisfied with he
Yet you're still here, whining about how she said oh so terrible things, you poor baby, go donate to your new oshi while you can, she'll soon realize what a creep you are and you'll have to get a new one.

>>50432817
>Why do only EN girls get flak for male collabs?
holy EOP

>>50437662
That's hilarious because literally everyone who was already a fan of Hololive JP by the time EN debuted expected all of them to collab with men eventually.

>>50441024
I mostly came here to disprove the copes homobeggars spew out, but I don't mind shitting on delusional teakeks occasionally
I think shipping Ame and Kiara has rotted your brain. They aren't that close and Ame was capable of initiating collabs before meeting her

>>50441298 (me)
*before getting closer with her

>why does [thing that doesn't happen/isn't true] happen/is true?
Getting tired of this thread template tbf.

>>50440714
I’ve found that a lot of the unicorns are trannys, or not far off it because of their mental state.
Which makes sense, considering it’s all about female rejection.

>>50441429
It’s more in a general sense. Why does it happen at all?

>>50441451
Biggest amount of trannies I've seen in the holo fanbase are kronies on twitter and they all support the homos and let's just ignore the fact that /mans/ is filled with gay fan fiction shipping the homos most of the time, right?

>>50432817
You WILL eat the bugs, homosisters

>>50440017
My claim was the change in viewers was about the same, not the absolute number of viewers. How much did Amelia, Kronii, Bae and Calli go down from before they first collabed with men vs how far Gura, Ina, Kiara, IRyS, Mumei and Fauna went down over the same period?

Both groups have clearly fallen since debut, especially the members of Myth, but I don't think the collabers have fallen more than the others.

>>50435572
I wasn't blindsided by Ame collabing with Tempus. I wasn't even blindsided by her inability to stop herself from arguing with the vocal minority in her chat in a completely unrelated stream.
I was just fed up with that shit. She did the same thing when she started streaming on Twitch and tried to tiptoe around it to fish for chat's approval and then acted like a bitch to anyone who said they don't want her to stream on Twitch.
This is why I stopped watching most fleshtubers. I do not find "fighting with chat schizos" to be entertaining content. It's annoying. I don't want it in Hololive.

>>50441298
Never said I ship them. Kiara can be annoyingly forceful, but it worked on Ame and an important thing I forgot to mention was Ame gained a lot of experience by organizing the 3D Myth anniversaries.
I'm sorry your "epic trolling" on the homobeggars isn't working because your head cannon doesn't make any sense. Also homobeggars get the bullet too, they're at the same level as unicorns and ironic unicorns.

>>50441240
that's utterly absurd.

>>50441755
Suuuure
Go watch your whores nijinigger

>>50441870
>nijinigger
Retard.
I can keep going. How about the time Ame got one-guyed by a spoiler in the Outer Wilds DLC and rage quit the stream for several hours?
Face it, Ame is a flesh streamer with no chill who regularly gets into pissing contests with chat schizos.

>>50441677
Ame, Kronii and Mori have declined significantly.
Ina has declined recently from spamming old zelda, but perhaps not permanently
Irys and mumei have declined a bit
Kiara and Bae are still shitters
Fauna has inclined
I don't see what you're saying

>>50440623
You're not mentally stable yourself, teamate. You're obsessed.

>>50441769
Ame escalated the homobegging astronomically in holoen with shit like wildcard slots for her worm tournament, so you have to thank her for that

>>50441978
>Fauna has inclined
???

>>50442170
Not recently, but she had less subs than bae for a long time and had pretty much the same live viewership, but has inclined to become one of the top council members

>>50442170
Meme game thick

She gets the most threads out of anyone on here.

>>50434165
>>50434197
>>50434213
>>50437723
Don't bother replying to this schizo
https://archive.palanq.win/vt/search/image/UDPUa2PuGk9_bFuy0ok1qA/

>>50438592
>>50438658
+Botan +Ayame +Aqua

>>50442138
Nobody responded to her Worms collab invites but IDs and Tempus.

>>50432817
JP knows how to do it except for Matsuri but thats because of how she is branding her character (which hurts her #), EN fans saw Nijisanji's and Vshojos cucking disgusting behaviour and lost their shit. Look at how Fubuki speaks to Holostars then compare it to Hololive, she always speaks in respectful but fun manner, Roberu does the same with his girls collabs, depending on the person (Mea is unique, but thats becaue of "RoberuNightMare".

>>50441584
Is that not the same with /hlgg/'s lesbian shipping? Either way, fujos doing fujo shit what a surprise.

>>50442170

>>50441451
Is that why 99% of homoshit fans are either she/her or some lgtv twittertroon? Projection, tranny.

>>50439932
Why do women watch fujobait anime/manga instead of CGDCT anime?

>>50442138
i remember the "which fanbase is getting cucked" wildcard speculation. Bad times.

>>50441978
You left out one who has seen a big proportional drop, and the biggest absolute drop: Gura.

>>50441451
Pic related

>>50439932
because men don't want to watch girls they like "have chemistry" with other men. And customers have no need to justify their preferences, just act on the them. If a product /service no longer caters to you, you move on. Why should this be any different?

>>50442914
>because men don't want to watch girls they like "have chemistry" with other men
Hololive isn't the only vtuber agency in the world. VSPO has a large and growing male fanbase who's totally into mixed gender pairings like Oreapo

>>50442948
ok go watch that then

>>50442972
I am

>>50443002
then watch it and stop trying to change hololive into the same thing.

>>50443082
I'm not the person you're replying to, I was just correcting you

>>50440489
>Fujos
>silently leave.
LMFAO

>>50443157
correcting me about what?

>>50442818
She got 21k in a multipov collab recently, which is decent for her, but she streams infrequently so it's hard to say if she has actually reclined. Her first few months after debut were an anomaly

>>50440363
Mostly shit post otherwise they will go ape shit with the forbidden knowledge about their cgdct squad just like happened to Rushia

>>50441451
>uhm ACK-tually the unicorns are the trannies
It's been while since I read something so obviously retarded.

>>50443989
unicorns don't support the cause.

>>50432817
>doesn’t effect other branches
Bruh, the girls who do male collabs are among the lowest viewed holos in every branch, like matsuri and ollie for instance

>>50432817
Are you retarded? JP bros hate male collabs, towa and matsuri get a ton of hate in japan, people literally went around vandalizing advertisements with rushia on it after her male yab

>>50433267
Ok falseflagger, we hate all male collabors, their response to the hate makes it worst… but that’s just insult to injury, the male collabs are the part we dislike

>>50438271
>Also the big difference is unlike flesh idols, the customer base don't care about boyfriends etc as long as they keep that shit off stream.
Actual unicorns care. People who aren't interested in male vtubers aren't lying when they say they aren't unicorns and just want CGDCT

>>50432817
Who the fuck is eating bugs, Suisei? Why?

>>50444927
Suisei always eats bugs as a snack while streaming, did you not know that??

Suisei saying she doesn't like bugs. Chinkhands start typing furiously here

>>50445044
Are you serious? What the fuck? What kind of bugs? Are they... tasty?

>>50444284
>ollie's lowest in ID
Seriously??

>>50432817
White girls (Mori, Ame, Gura, Kiara, Fauna, Mumei, Moona) are put to a higher standard than non-white girls.

>>50445068
I'm sorry anon I was lying to you, just watch the clip if you're curious https://youtu.be/BjEqH2eV9dc
The eating bugs part is in the beginning

>>50445142
No, but everyone in ID collabs with males so what does it matter

Holoen content peaked around september 2021 with massive girls collabs and ID-EN-JP-KR cross collabs and has only been on a downward spiral since then.

>>50433726
>why suddenly Towa had a bunch of antis
It was literally all that one Towafag spamming. That dude is still posting there on /jp/, he spams and gets absolutely furious if you anti Towa.

>>50444284
>the girls who do male collabs are among the lowest viewed holos in every branch
Like Suisei and Towa right or Kobo? Oh wait.

>>50432817
>Why do only EN girls get flak for male collabs
Because you think the world resolves around the English language, and you can't into Japanese communities for shit.

>>50448521
>KR
Anon do you know something we don't?