/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

*GENERAL NUMBERFAG SITES*
>https://playboard.co/en/
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://vrabi.net/
>https://www.vstats.jp
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/vtuber-ranking

Hololive sites
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html
>https://trackholo.live/en/
>https://www.hololive-songs.com/

Nijisanji sites
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings
>https://twitter.com/2434subscriber
>https://www.nijiuta.com/

Twitch
>https://sullygnome.com/
>https://twitchtracker.com/
>https://stats.roki.sh/

Full list at https://pastebin.com/nCGZL1Lp

Hacker nanora

>>50407140
>Sexy teenager in OP
About fucking time we have a good OP.

Anon came

Flying nanora

>Defending management

Just a reminder EN management does their best to fuck over Gura. Oh you have a game you actually want to play? N-no it uh...has cocks in it! Don't!
Even Kiara calls out the double standards about the cock stream Bae did. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n635vzKedX0

got this shit recommended on my feed
https://youtu.be/o4OutCut3Tc
>dude reacting to a dude reacting to the first dude reacting to a clip of another dude
is this the power of talent freedom?

* FINAL TALLY OF THE DAY *

>43,933: Miko (Hololive)
>33,360: Pekora (Hololive)
>23,249: Matsuri (Hololive)
>21,559: Koyori (Hololive)
>19,942: Korone (Hololive)
>19,805: Mito (Nijisanji)
>17,169: Morinaka Kazaki (Nijisanji)
>16,752: Lize (Nijisanji)
>16,718: Kuzuha (Nijisanji)
>14,690: Ange (Nijisanji)
>14,322: Mio (Hololive)
>13,540: Okayu (Hololive)
>12,963: Haneru (774 inc)
>12,562: VOLTACTION (Nijisanji)
>12,082: Fubuki (Hololive)
>11,982: Nene (Hololive)
>11,587: Lamy (Hololive)
>10,802: Met (VSPO)
>10,512: Botan (Hololive)
>10,428: Towa (Hololive)
>10,144: NeruMero (Indie)

>>50407303
Unironically Gura goes through the most shit with en management. Her merch comes with stipulations, any animated things she makes comes with stipulations, 3D comes with stipulations, making a cover comes with stipulations. And then it’s put into a closet not to be seen for a year at least.

Then she gets the blame. During their anniversary Kiara implied it’s more their fault than management

>>50407303
Starting think that Hololive management (not just EN) treats Gura the same way Disney treats Mickey Mouse, a fun trickster character neutered for the sake of being a mascot.

>>50407470
>MAY 2023 GOLDS
1) Miko (Hololive) - 58,764 - Clubhouse 51 w/ Nene
2) Miko (Hololive) - 117,536 - Collab w/ Suisei, Aqua, Towa, Subaru, Botan
3) Pekora (Hololive) - 82,868 - Reverse Totsumachi Endurance (w/ Marine)
4) Koyori (Hololive) - 63,666 - 24 Hour Stream
5) Marine (Hololive) - 80,623 - Fashion Showdown (w/ Aqua, Okayu, Mio, Lamy)
6) Pekora (Hololive) - 110,996 - Mario Maker Tournament
7) Marine (Hololive) - 51,152 - Super Mario Maker 2
8) Marine (Hololive) - 53,933 - Idol Showdown
9) Miko (Hololive) - 41,419 - Idol Showdown
10) Miko (Hololive) - 56,389 - Getting Over It (w/ Kanata and Polka)
11) Miko (Hololive) - 36,617 - TTS Story Time
12) Hibari (Nijisanji) - 111,013 - 3D Debut
13) Mel (Hololive) - 58,589 - 5th Anniversary 3D Live
14) Pekora (Hololive) - 42,892 - Minecraft 1.20
15) Subaru (Hololive) - 52,757 - Marshmallow Reading + Announcement
16) Pekora (Hololive) - 49,970 - Chat GPT
17) Subaru (Hololive) - 81,111 - Sausage Legend Competition
18) Chloe (Hololive) - 94,193 - Birthday 3D Live
19) Towa (Hololive) - 82,943 - God Field Tournament
20) Pekora (Hololive) - 44,748 - Minecraft
21) Pekora (Hololive) - 38,131 - I'm on Observation Duty 5
22) Nose (VSPO) - 136,222 - 3D Debut
23) Subaru (Hololive) - 86,363 - Outfit Reveal
24) Miko (Hololive) - 56,059 - Minecraft
25) Laplus (Hololive) - 80,541 - Birthday 3D Live
26) Kanato (Nijisanji) - 68,004 - 3D Debut
27) Aki (Hololive) - 65,938 - Birthday 3D Live
28) Lui (Hololive) - 51,167 - Horse Racing Club (w/ Koyori, Botan, Pekora)
29) Miko (Hololive) - 43,933 - The Outlast Trials (w/ Fubuki)

> PER COMPANY
26x: Hololive
2x: Nijisanji
1x: VSPO

> PER STREAMER
7x: Miko
6x: Pekora
3x: Marine, Subaru
1x: Aki, Chloe, Hibari, Kanato, Koyori, Laplus, Lui, Mel, Nose, Towa

> 2023 GOLDS
> PER COMPANY
115x: Hololive
24x: Nijisanji
4x: Indie, Neo Porte
2x: VSPO

> PER STREAMER
41x: Pekora
15x: Miko
13x: Marine
7x: Subaru
6x: Toya
4x: Hal
3x: Hololive, Kuzuha, Mio, Okayu, Suisei, Koyori, Towa
2x: Chiroru, Iroha, Lamy, Nerumero, Nijisanji, Salome
1x: Aki, Aqua, Ayame, Chloe, Choco, Fuwa, Gaku, Gura, Hibari, Himawari, Hinano, Ina, Kanata, Kanato, Kiara, Korone, Laplus, Lui, Mel, Mito, Mori, Nose, Nozomi, Polka, Ponto, Roco, Ryushen, Shion, Watame, Yashiro

>>50407303
Kiara is the one being dumb right here. IRyS said Genital Jousting's perm was there for more than a year now, just that (she thought) nobody is gonna play it. Not to mention they got the Outlast Trial perms already.

>no Fauna today
Who do I watch during FST instead

*FINAL EN TALLY OF THE DAY IS IN*

>5/29 DAILY TALLY
6,731: Ina (Hololive)
6,338: Baelz (Hololive)
5,537: IRyS (Hololive)

>EN GOLDS FOR MAY 2023
1) IRyS (Hololive) - 9,139 - Super Mario Maker
2) Fauna (Hololive) - 13,573 - ASMR Offcollab (w/ Kronii)
3) Luca (Nijisanji) - 9,264 - NijiEN Dating Show (w/ Uki, Alban, Vox, Ren, Kyo)
4) IRyS (Hololive) - 7,445 - Super Smash Bros.
5) Gura (Hololive) - 13,811 - Bramble The Mountain King
6) Mumei (Hololive) - 17,981 - Council Uno Collab
7) Amelia (Hololive) - 8,418 - Unarchived Karaoke
8) Fauna (Hololive) - 7,622 - Super Mario Maker 2
9) Fauna (Hololive) - 10,140 - Minecraft
10) IRyS (Hololive) - 10,985 - Karaoke
11) Mori (Hololive) - 10,635 - Idol Showdown (w/ Ina)
12) IRyS (Hololive) - 8,656 - Super Smash Bros. (w/ Kronii)
13) Vox (Nijisanji) - 8,884 - Unarchived Karaoke
14) Kiara (Hololive) - 9,114 - Pikuniku (w/ Gura)
15) IRyS (Hololive) - 7,493 - CHADcast
16) Finana (Nijisanji) - 6,991 - Unarchived Karaoke (w/ Pomu & Elira)
17) Mumei (Hololive) - 8,197 - Valkyrie Connect (w/ Kronii)
18) Mori (Hololive) - 12,008 - Drinking Offcollab (w/ Subaru & Botan)
19) Mori (Hololive) - 11,130 - TTRPG (w/ Kronii, Magni, Vesper)
20) Mori (Hololive) - 10,629 - TTRPG (w/ Kronii, Magni, Vesper)
21) Ina (Hololive) - 18,722 - Birthday Stream
22) Baelz (Hololive) - 7,457 - Unarchived Karaoke
23) Baelz (Hololive) - 16,717 - Genital Jousting
24) Kronii (Hololive) - 9,914 - Minecraft
25) Vox (Nijisanji) - 10,727 - ASMR (w/ Ike)
26) Kronii (Hololive) - 10,381 - 3D Zatsudan
27) Kronii (Hololive) - 17,250 - Council Mario Party Collab
28) Gura (Hololive) - 21,083 - Outlast Trials (w/ Fauna, Kronii, Mori)
29) Ina (Hololive) - 6,731 - Breath of the Wild

>PER COMPANY
25x: Hololive
4x: Nijisanji

>PER STREAMER
5x: IRyS
4x: Mori
3x: Fauna, Kronii
2x: Mumei, Baelz, Vox, Gura, Ina
1x: Luca, Amelia, Kiara, Finana

>POINTS PER STREAMER (gold = 5pts, silver = 3pts, bronze = 1pt)
39p: IRyS
31p: Mori
30p: Ina
25p: Fauna
21p: Baelz
20p: Mumei
15p: Kronii
12p: Kiara
10p: Vox, Gura
9p: Shu
6p: Amelia
5p: Luca, Finana
4p: Ike
3p: Elira, Enna
2p: Bettel
1p: Pomu

>>50407493
Oh really? Does streaming come with stipulations too?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XPP3YBha74
New Peko Mains video dropped

>>50407303
Rare moment where I find myself calling Kiaea based.

>>50407140
Another day, another HoloGold
Feels good to be a HoloChad

>>50407564
>2023 EN GOLDS
>PER COMPANY
109x: Hololive
38x: Nijisanji
2x: Holostars

>PER STREAMER
16x: Mori
14x: IRyS
12x: Fauna
11x: Baelz, Gura
10x: Mumei, Kronii, Ina
9x: Vox
8x: Amelia
6x: Kiara
5x: Mysta
4x: Selen
3x: Pomu, Shu
2x: Luca, Finana
1x: Ike, Flayon, Alban, Elira, Luxiem, Millie, Regis, Enna, Rosemi, Hololive English, Ren, Sonny, Fulgur

>2023 POINTS PER STREAMER (gold = 5pts, silver = 3pts, bronze = 1pt)
137p: Fauna
116p: IRyS
114p: Mori
113p: Ina
100p: Baelz
98p: Mumei
74p: Vox
62p: Kronii
61p: Amelia
60p: Kiara
55p: Gura
53p: Mysta
43p: Luca
31p: Selen
27p: Shu
17p: Pomu
14p: Ike
13p: Finana
12p: Enna
11p: Uki, Axel, Sonny
10p: Elira
9p: Millie, Fulgur
7p: Regis
6p: Rosemi, Ren
5p: Flayon, Alban, Luxiem, Hololive English
4p: Vesper
3p: Hakka, Magni, Kotoka, Bettel
1p: Meloco, Shinri, Maria, Pippa, Nina

>>50407303
Based chicken calling out the retards in management and the morons in the comments are still jerking Bae off for "paving the way. " "like coco" ffs

Oh my god, they still stream daily. Still 2 views.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Af-FASIY9aM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KL-jo69psCs

>>50407566
Actually yes outlast trials, her on screen movie watchalong, resident evil 4, hogwarts legacy, the russian sex bot game. All of these came with stipulations that made it not worth doing or just wasn’t allowed to play. All of these things she wanted to play or do more of

>>50407543
Luna if she keeps going

>>50407529
What you said has nothing to do with the question at hand, retardchama

>>50407303
More likely that Gura is a doormat who just accepts anything management says rather than negotiating with them. Pekora used to be like that too until Marine taught her the ways of corporate diplomacy as an ex-OL

Please Takos I can’t handle Ina and Miko lewds that would be unbearable

>>50407710
Did the voice in your head told you all these?

>>50407295
>>50407226
How??

>>50407754
>>50407770
She streams 10 times and that’s still somehow to little for you to keep up with

>>50407303
I mean sure we have countless examples of Gura getting fucked over by management but that doesn't count because "Gura doesn't stream" is the only mantra the sisters have left to attack Hololive. You can't take that from them.
>>50407511
I said the exact same thing a few months ago. Management is more than happy to parade Gura to the investors and gloat about having the most subscribed Vtuber in the world under their belt. All while she keeps selling merch.
Why risking any yabs from her by letting her do stuff?

>>50407833
Timestamp or you're coping

>>50407543
Cuckling maybe you should follow her advice to find real friends and get a life.

>>50407877
Management being strict doesn't absolve Gura of responsibility for not streaming, sorry chumcuck. No matter how shitty EN management is the only person who can ultimately stop Gura booting Minecraft up and finishing Atlantis is Gura. Management has little to do with Gura not streaming.

>B-But she wants more perms
And why would they bother chasing up perms for 100 games for a person who streams 12 times a year?

[Luna News] MC over

>>50408053
Thats a shame. Her railways idea was fun

Did Gilzaren really get 9k?

>>50408017
Many finishing Atlantis also comes with a stipulation according to the voice in his head.

>>50408115
>10,516
https://vrabi.net/video/hKVrBcgAIpQ

Damn, NijiEN made it to Japan Expo, and no Hololive.
https://twitter.com/Elmi39Project/status/1663279876361580544

>>50408017
Kys nijinigger if management wasn't holding Gura back she would stream 7 days a week and have 2 full albums by now.

>>50407564
NijiEN didn't stream, huh?
No wonder their viewerships are reclining

>>50407564
GO INA GO

>>50408220
Hololive is too expensive for Japan Expo

>>50408220
Sacre bleu!
Non honhonlive but plenty of n'ijaisnais!

>>50408409
kek

>>50408271
I know this is a falseflag but some chumbies probably unironically hold this thought.

>>50408220
I'm baffled why you people keep trying to make "w-we got invited to a con" some sort of badge of pride. Its literally only useful to show packed rooms of people, otherwise its a feat fucking smal corpos can accomplish and we have no idea how much the con pays the individual companies to attend or how relevant it is for them.

>>50408220
RIP European market, murdered in cradle

>>50408461
>otherwise its a feat fucking smal corpos can accomplish
2view indies can enter cons anon

>>50408461
This is a con that gets 200+k visitors every year, retard

>>50408461
The truth lies somewhere in between. The shark is lazy, and management has not adapted to the lazyness and has demotivated the few things she did want to do into the ground. A bad combo all around.

>>50408461
holoseethe

>>50408514
Nah, the truth is far simpler
Cover just hates Europe, both JP and EN sides of it

>>50408511
Riveting. And how does that make Nijisanji relevant? 200k people that attend it each year (so in multiple batches) are going to pour into the niji panel...because?

>>50408220
Didn’t Kiara say that she begged them for an invite and only asked them to provide flight ticket, but was refused? Or was it another EU expo / cons?
Guess organizers realized that inviting NijiEN is almost as profitable, but with a lot less hassle.

>>50408017
>debut in Hololive
>be full of ideas and creativity
>be one of the most succesful members of the company
>instead of being rewarded for it all your plans and ideas get shut down
>get constantly yelled at by management despite being one of the most inoffensive members of your branch
>after two years of fighting you decide to take the deal and just collect your paycheck while appearing in a couple concerts to shill some merch
>now your fanbase has turned on you too
>all while management and your genmates are running the branch into the ground with the most retarded and baffling decisions
I mean sure Gura isn't a saint but her behaviour is understandable

>>50408220
Reminder Kiara wanted to be invited by thyis but hololive was to cheap to pay the fees.

>>50408511
Anon, 200k anime fans are not going there for niji or any vtuber period.

>>50408672
Because at a con full of people who watch anime, a bunch of them are going to see the panel of vtubers infamous for acting like fleshtubers and shitting on their fans and decide to attend and be converted into nijifans! Riku is truly a god amongst men.

>>50408672
That wasn’t the point. The point was that this is a legit big con, and they decided it’s better to invite NijiEN over HoloEN. It’s a matter of prestige

>>50408774
And they sure as fuck never will with nijis as their first exposure either

>>50408461
holocope

Lol lots of HoloSeeth in the tread atm.

NEWS FLASH!! NIJISANJI has ALWAYS been bigger than Hololive so of course they would get in to a big con before Hololive!

Also keep seething chumkeks, she won’t stream. Doesn’t matter if it’s managers or her, no new stream in the next 2 weeks LOL

so, when is Jap going to start fixing EN?

>200 people watching fucking Oddworld
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7X_PJSm8zc

>>50408792
No it's not, because you don't know if Hololive was invited and refused, you fucking tard. Christ.
Enjoy your "prestige".

>>50408829
Next year bro

>>50408829
They are no longer debuting homos and girl auditions are now up, that's something

>>50408792
You sure it’s not just because it’s easier to invite NijiEN since they have so many members? Look, vtubing in the west is reclining. It’s not going to die, but it’s definitely fallen off.
Every panel that has vtubers is a panel that isn’t about actual anime shit. If you’re just having vtubers for the publicity and don’t really give a shit, of course you’d invite the ones that take less effort to invite.

>>50408728
>after two years of fighting you decide to take the deal and just collect your paycheck while appearing in a couple concerts to shill some merch
>fighting
Marine fought for her ideas and won sometimes. Gura just took the hits with some whimpers.

>>50408824
This must be a falseflag right?

I thought the nijiniggers were all gone. It's actually remarkable how they can eat L after L until they forget what winning even looks like then show up to brag about dumb shit.

>>50408945
>phoneposter faggot
gee, you think?

>>50407798
COBOL injection

I miss ina...

>>50408871
Why the hell would they refuse to participate in one of the biggest anime con in EU, a job that would have only taken a few days off their schedule at most?
If HoloEN management truly refused, they need to be talked to by their higherups and better have really good explanations

>>50408792
I know fuckall about European cons, but apparently >>50408729 you have to pay to be included? Like, forget the Nijis, are any of the non-Nijis on that roster in any way relevant to the European market compared to...I dunno, Shylily, Vei, etc? It's a French con, where's Saurei at? Sounds more like Phase setting up random booths at cons at a time before Pippa started popping off.

>>50408871
>>50408911
Kiara was begging on her knees to get invited to this con. Yet hololive was to cheap to pay for the con appearance fee. This is pretty much a slap in the face for Eu bros for also asked for more hololive events in the eu.

>>50408931
>Marine fought for her ideas and won sometimes. Gura just took the hits with some whimpers.
Ok, and? You make it sound like some big indictment of Gura's character but everyone knows she's a fragile emotional idiot. You think you're gonna make anyone think "ah yes that small shark, she didn't have the fortitude to fight managers (who aren't the same managers from the same branch Marine fought anyway), its all on her". If we were talking about a man, maybe. But i'm going to not blame the victim just because another victim managed to win against the aggressor.

You're such a hypocrite you were probably raging when Pekora was crying her eyes out cause management stomped on one of her projects like they were Mario and it was a gooma.

>>50408974
They somehow always find an angle to come back, and somehow it keeps becoming more and more Pathethic.

>>50408931
Nta. But regardless:
Yes, Gura is a weak-willed menhera pussy who can barely function independently. I absolutely believe some of her problems are because she’s incapable of even the most basic office politics.
But this is EN management we’re talking about. They either are or were (depending on how much Jap has cleaned house) completely useless pieces of shit who thought they were the reason Myth was a success. If Gura were born in Japan and had the exact same personality, she’d do a lot better just because JP management isn’t nearly as narcissistic and malicious.

>>50408824
Your consistent failure to spell seethe correctly gives you away falseflaggerchama

>>50409053
>kiara was begging
i assume you have clips for this?

>>50407710
She literally played Outlast Trials the day before yesterday. She also did a solo stream of it months ago.

>>50409013
>>50408945
Why is it a falseflag? Because of Pekora pic? Pekora loves Nijisanji and she would hate it if she saw you fags hating on them retards

>>50409053
Oh nyoo I feel so slapped in the face.
Listen nijinigger, if I say "you win this time, nijisanji! aaargh I'm seething" will you fuck off with your dumb con? I'm going to enjoy my actual hololive events like the concert, I hope you have fun at the uh...paid karaoke panel.

>>50409140
Really nigger? That's all that tipped you off?

>>50408931
Yes Gura is an autistic womanlet with severe social anxiety. That's half her charm. And on top of that she's a filthy gaijin working for a Japanese company.
Marine is fucking Marine and she can literally walk into the Cover HQ and call management out for being retarded. Instead of waiting 3 weeks for a "no" on Discord whenever she asks something.
There is a difference between "Gura is a lazy cunt who never gave a fuck" and "Gura is not Marine".

>>50408728
>be full of ideas and creativity
Gura is like the most basic just play video games member in EN the fuck are you talking about.

https://twitter.com/7uta_sub/status/1662863732001873920
What about you guys?

>>50409194
No, the post is an obvious falseflag, but that particular anon always writes 'seethe' as 'seeth'. It makes him very easy to spot.

ENfags crying and shitting themselves for the 100th time is kinda boring. Let's talk about Koyo's Hot News instead.

>>50409053
Yes, HoloEN hates Europeans. It’s one of the most inexplicable instances of their faggotry. We all know that already. The original argument was that this is somehow a fucking huge deal and an amazing victory for NijiEN.
Anycolor thought it would be worth it to go, Cover didn’t. Cover is being kind of retarded. You don’t seriously think that in the year 2033, Anycolor will be the only one left and that this con will be the turning point, do you?

>>50409246
Hard to be more than that when they tell you to fuck off when you want to do anything, even ask for more games

I will keep defending Pekora’s love for Nijisanji against you faggots holo antis

>>50408728
>instead of being rewarded for it all your plans and ideas get shut down
People say this constantly but have we ever received actual proof that Gura had any ideas that got shut down? Because, genuinely, what could she possibly want to do that's so YAB management would ruin their biggest star over it?

Seriously, think about it. Which one seems more likely?
>Management is going out of their way to make their top star hate them for no reason
>Gura is just lazy

>>50409100
I mean being a weak willed bitch who gives up at the first obstacle is in fact a character flaw yes. You fucking suck at defending Gura.

>>50409302
I do feel a little sorry for Gura. But I’m also kind of curious if Kiara ever offered to give her advice on how to get around management. The way Kiara blabs about shit on-stream and gets away with it, I’m convinced she’s doing it on purpose and does it to retaliate against those retards.

>>50409302
Can you name 2 examples of her non streaming a video game projects that she just really wanted to do and tried so hard for?

>>50409100
>You're such a hypocrite you were probably raging when Pekora was crying her eyes out cause management stomped on one of her projects like they were Mario and it was a gooma.
Not really. I wouldn’t say that I didn’t GAF, but I didn’t feel too bad either especially when she hinted it was supposed to be some offline event. Unfortunately, that’s just the nature of working in an organization - sometimes your ideas are accepted, sometimes they aren’t.
I’m not shitting on the girls in general, mind you. I just don’t like the idea of blaming Gura’s current streaming frequency over the refusals and put it as if she tried hard for those ideas. Plenty, if not all of Holo members have experienced having their ideas rejected before. Some of them fought for those and succeed, while the others, well, at least didn’t develop Gura syndrome.

>>50409141
nta. But this was a tweet I found of her talking about it.

>>50409372
No, you suck at attacking her
>muh first sing of trouble
This is the management that managed (heh) to chase off the biggest stubbornest bitch and basically made her into a company anti set about to poach their talents whenever possible. Countless JPs have told story of their incompetence. Marine sometimes pushing through is irrelevant. And a weak willed woman is a woman in her natural state. Your attack is meaningless.

>>50409433
Can you repeat but with better grammar? I'm not sure what you are requesting

Fucking nijiniggers trying to gaslight this thread into believing Gura isn't the hardest worker in Hololive.

>>50409503
So, they don't even know if it's this convention or not.

>>50409595
Nice falseflag retard

>>50409295
HoloEN's hatred for Europeans is absolutely deserved considering what a worthless "fanbase" they are.

However regarding the con, even Kiara blamed it on the con and not Cover and said paying for flight fees is the bare minimum expected but European cons are simply too fucking small and shitty to do that (which brings us back to: Europe is a fucking worthless market)
Cover also severed ties with Dokomi because of hard Dokomi blundered the Kiara/IRyS attendance.

>>50409400
It struck me when Ina was talking about how she's too shy to ask for collabs. Ina, the professional illustrator, 10k ccv average (at the time) streamer who is loved by all. Then I realized it's like the hot chicks who just refuse to ever lift a finger or make the first move. Problem is there are no men around to be initiators. Only Kiara with her Teutonic brashness and Mori, with her complete lack of anything resembling social grace can penetrate their general level of autism in EN.

>”GURA GURA GURA GURA GURA!”

FUCK OFF! She fucking streams once a fucking month damn it.

>>50407564
Ina put her underwear on backwards.

Can we at least get some cunny posts amid all this falseflagging

>>50409503
Maybe I'm somehow reading this wrong but to me this comes off as Kiara complaining that the convention didn't want to pay transportation, not Holo.

>>50409370
>Gura talked about getting bonked a lot by management for shit she says on stream (it was one of her return streams in late 2022)
>Gura talking about having her shorts denied (despite short shitposting videos being the reason she even made it into Hololive)
>Gura talking about having to fight for her dakimakura
>>50409400
Read the reply chain. The entire thing started from Kiara talking about management having double standards. It's pretty safe to assume that someone like Gura gets kept on a leash because her mascot status while other ENs can get away with much more.

>>50409527
NTA but I think he's asking if you can name two things Gura wanted to do that got shot down.

>>50409728
That was what she said, yes.

>>50409279
I NEED LAMY'S PEE

>>50409631
Culturally, Europe isn't really a market. It's segmented by culture and language, so a lto of stuff that's popular with the Spanish has like no impact on Finns or Poles. Korea, Japan, the US, have all had successful global cultural exports. What's the last big EU cultural phenomenon to sweep the world? The last great EU tech innovation? The newest 10 billion + company they've produced? They have rare successes but they tend to be German, or French, not "European"

>>50409053
>>50409779
>Yet hololive was to cheap to pay for the con appearance fee
Okay, then I'm confused because the other anon is blaming Hololive for this, but Kiara herself is blaming the convention itself.

>>50409664
HoloEN needs someone like Mori. Unfortunately, that someone just had to be the actual Mori.

>>50409778
All her 1-4 million sub requests

>>50409754
>Gura talking about having her shorts denied (despite short shitposting videos being the reason she even made it into Hololive)
The thing is l i t e r a l l y everyone else has no issues with this. Not even in EN specifically which is why it's hard to believe. Fucking Mori had a short released within an hour after a stream ended. Fauna has posted the single most nonsensical shorts in existence. They approved that literal nothing short she actually did post. I find it very hard to believe they'd block her but then let every other JP go free with no issue too despite them literally bigger than her in everything but subs

smells like a lot of holoseethe here. I can see why you guys like to retreat to your imaginary safe space and fantasize about an EN3 that wont flop and thats still many months away

>>50409631
>but European cons are simply too fucking small and shitty to do that
nigga euro cons are literally the biggest in the world just behind Japan. And there is also that shit about Franche spending more on weeb merch than the USA that gets brought up a lot.
The market is there but Cover just can't navigate it.

>>50409838
I mean what stopping hololive from paying the transportation fee. In Ax you have to pay for a booth so I assume this is the same thing.

>>50409881
Fuck that we don’t want a possible Koyori! We want more Tempus !!!

>>50409810
There can't be a fucking "European" export cause that makes no sense, it's not a culture by itself. UK does well in exporting stuff. Video game wise, Poles hit a few home runs, and unfortunately so did swedes (not the kind that are popular /here/ mind you).
But yes, you can't target an "european" market.

>>50409891
>I find it very hard to believe they'd block her but then let every other JP go free
There you go anon, you think it's the JP management that is against Gura when it's blatantly the EN one

>>50408220
What I get from this is, you can hire 10 nijis at the price of 1 holoEN.

https://twitter.com/nanashimumei_en/status/1663310268884221952

>>50409881
Man. I still can't understand how far she's fallen. Or rather, I do understand, as every 2-3 months for the first 2 years I would find myself thinking, "Mori you dumbfuck. Don't do that". Guess it added up. Is it recoverable? I don’t think it is at this point. She's lost her credibility

>>50409891
Listen faggot, you're arguing against something Gura basically said 2 years ago. Things have changes since then. Maybe she completely lost the interest in making shorts in the meanwhile, but it doesn't mean what she said 2 years ago was some sort of lie. Hell she...has a short.

>>50407564
No bioshock?
Should I check yesterday's threads

>>50409991
Am I to assume that this means 3D karaoke?

>>50409940
>I mean what stopping hololive from paying the transportation fee
Anon, why should they pay to have Kiara bring exposure to some random EU con? What do they get out of it? The con themselves should be jumping at the chance to have Kiara on. The question is what's stopping the con from at least trying to pay the transportation fee?

>>50409991
Seems that CouncilRyS was smarter than Myth and decided to get 3D early for stream use

>one Tempiss stream
Is EN healing?

>>50410028
>she had a short
And they scolded her for it …… she literally said so herself

>>50409992
Next chance is after EN3 debut BUT she has to not fuck things up (aka homocollab)
Which is impossible for Mori to do.

>>50409891
Look, a few months ago I would have agreed with you. But I’ve seen some of the utterly garbage shit they do (I lurked like twice in /hirys/ this month and both times they were talking about how incompetent her manager was, as one example).
And Gura might be a giant ball of menhera, but I have no reason to believe she’d just lie about that when we know she’s perfectly good at giving sweet nothings as excuses for not streaming.
We’re talking about corporate bureaucracy here. It’s entirely possible to make up bullshit reasons in order to treat one employee different from the others.

>>50410071
newfagchama...

>>50410028
>lost interest
Then she's lazy? What the fuck's the argument.

>>50409969
If it's blatantly an EN one then, again, the other girls would have issues uploading shorts too. And they clearly don't.

>>50410054
im assuming you're not a newfag so just imagine how it went and youll most likely be right

>>50409991
My cute moom

>>50410079
Heals a little everything Gura comes back but then gets the tempiss rot right after. So maybe….

>>50410102
skipping Myth doesn't make you a newfag

>>50410028
If she was saying it 2 years ago and things have changed why are retards using it as a reason for why Gura is oppressed *now*?

>>50410097
I'm sorry I'm finding it really fucking hard to believe that they're targeting a SINGLE FUCKING PERSON. It just feels like fucking cope.

>>50410069
>Anon, why should they pay to have Kiara bring exposure to some random EU con? What do they get out of it?
Exposure to untaped market?
>The con themselves should be jumping at the chance to have Kiara on. The question is what's stopping the con from at least trying to pay the transportation fee?
Why the fuck would they, chuubas outside of Japan are still pretty small, fivefold so in Europe since Cover does everything in it's power to avoid growing a fanbase there

>>50409754
NTA, but that was taking what Kiara said out of context. While she did say "Kind of double standards, don't you think?", she also offered an explanation for it right afterwards for the difference in the manager's attitude, assuming it's the same manager (i.e: Outlast dicks were more realistic so maybe YT is stricter towards it)
Regardless, it's just a message of "Maybe not playing it anymore because of private parts" according to Kiara. It's not even a "Do NOT play it anymore". If that's the kind of leash Gura / HoloEN has been dealing with, they should learn from their JP senpais, grow a spine and tell their managers "Look, other corpos are playing it. HoloJP members have been playing it. So FU, we will keep playing it unless you can get this banned over the whole company. Go ahead and work it out with JP management, GL". Well, maybe in a bit more polite tone.

>>50410102
I really hope you aren't talking about VRChat shit

>>50409504
>first sing

>>50410227
>Regardless, it's just a message of "Maybe not playing it anymore because of private parts" according to Kiara. It's not even a "Do NOT play it anymore". If that's the kind of leash Gura / HoloEN has been dealing with, they should learn from their JP senpais, grow a spine and tell their managers "Look, other corpos are playing it. HoloJP members have been playing it. So FU, we will keep playing it unless you can get this banned over the whole company. Go ahead and work it out with JP management, GL". Well, maybe in a bit more polite tone.

I mean this literally happened with Fauna's Amensia AND Gura's public domain watchalong which is why both archives are still up which is why I don't get any of this fucking hooplah. Both Gura AND Fauna told their managers to fuck off and that there's no issue and there's no need to private it and it has stayed up for months now

Happy birthday Ui. Hope a lot of people call in to your totsu, Korone included.

>>50410104
>If it's blatantly an EN one then, again, the other girls would have issues uploading shorts too. And they clearly don't.
Do you really think that they treat everyone in EN equally? Are you truly that retarded?

>>50410178
>Exposure to untaped market?
>Why the fuck would they, chuubas outside of Japan are still pretty small
Anon, as you yourself alluded to here, there is no "untapped" vtuber market in EU. There's no market at all. So, yeah, as you hinted at, throwing money at the con would just be a waste. If the con wants Kiara there, it's up to the con to make sure that happens, and even Kiara understood that as she showed in that tweet.

Why doesn't Koyori get english line submissions anymore?

>>50409991
Why is she so smug

>>50410163
Are they? Or are they listing an example of when she got denied? Focus.
>>50410082
Source?

>>50410172
I don’t normally defend Gura either. But Gura’s pl was very well known for doing stuff that was yab adjacent. Human psychology is a bitch. It’s really easy to go from “oh, Gura is a risk and might do yabs if we don’t wrangle her sometimes” to “Gura shouldn’t be trusted at all and if we could stuff her at a taxidermist’s and make her corpse stream with an AI voice we would”
I’m obviously exaggerating with the last one, but people who have power in a corpo can screw you over if they have a reason to, even if it’s total bullshit.

>EU schizo is back

>>50410079
>can't use the "better than StarsJP" cope anymore
>can't use the "better unity than HoloEN" cope anymore
>soon won't be able to use the "they stream more than the girls" cope anymore
This year has not been very kind for the sisters.

>>50408220
Kiara touched a bit on the cost to set up a con appearance earlier today.
Either yuros hate Hololive or they're not financially equipped to pay the price tag for an appearance. I'm having trouble imagining the cost presented to the cons.

Even the male is useless for noombers because the sisters aren't watching a female collab.

>>50410361
>But Gura’s pl was very well known for doing stuff that was yab adjacent. Human psychology is a bitch
And this is why I think this argument is retarded. They have to get approval ANYWAY. She cannot just upload it, if she did submit something and they really thought it was bad enough not to upload and she didn't make an argument for it then that's a full on fucking skill issue.

>>50410316
Management saw all the European SC they get and concluded it ain't worth it....

>>50410172
You find it hard to believe that management would be extra vigilant on their most subscribed and biggest EN talent that could cause major controversy if she said or did something even slightly controversial? Really nigga?

>CouncilRyS
>RyS

>>50410316
>Anon, as you yourself alluded to here, there is no "untapped" KFC market in Japan. There's no market at all. So, yeah, as you hinted at, throwing money at Japan would just be a waste. If the Japan wants KFC there, it's up to the Japan to make sure that happens, and even KFC understood that
This is your argument, utter nonsense that doesn't understand the meaning of untapped

>>50408728
>>50410346
Well, yeah, this whole conversation is about why Gura doesn't do anything today, in the present. So, if things changed, why does an example about how she got denied 2 years ago matter today?

>>50410417
No it's because Uki is a literal fucking who

Some LIG scoops. Apparently, the one who scammed Bao and Saruei for a pretty hefty sum have worked on Gura's Sharkd.

Bao and Saru got scammed right around 30-40k USD for their lore and MV animations for that single dude. Now I can't imagine how much Gura spent for hers with the whole Tonari Animation involved

>>50410446
>biggest EN talent
Mori gets away with lots of shit.

>>50410302
Happy birthday to our favorite indie Mama.

>>50410400
I straight up think it’s a chicken and egg problem and Cover is just too busy spending money on holoearth to bother investing in side branches. ID’s cheap, so they don’t have that problem. EN isn’t, which is why they debuted Tempus instead of EN3 instead of debuting both.
I absolutely think the only reason EU is so weak is time zone differences. That makes a huge difference for live content like vtubing. They could open the door for a healthier EU scene since everyone there speaks English anyway (and the ones who don’t are too poor to matter). They’d just have to spend EN money for a market that would be guaranteed to do worse than NA, at least initially.

>PL
Doxxniggers are cute but we don't use that term here

>>50410446
Mori is just as big and she gets away with uploading a short within an hour after a stream finished tha the short was based off of

>>50410465
Except what you're saying isn't the equivalent of KFC opening a branch in Japan. It's the equivalent of KFC airing ads in Japan for restaurants that don't exist.

>>50410259
Yes I'm ESL though I'll never understand native speaker's insistence that typos are ESLisms. Can someone explain that to me? Or is it just a quick gotcha/you assume I know every other word except the correct way to spell sign?

>>50410172
Because said single person is the most subscribed Vtuber in the world. And always pushed front and center when it comes to corporate shilling. On top of that despite not streaming she still sells a fuckton of merchandise.
You can absolutely see why Cover is more than happy with just preserving that and avoid any potential yab. This is the company that almost imploded overnight over some Google analytics.

>>50410172
NTA but I've been on the otherside before where some middle management bitch made my life a living hell. It was my first wagie job too so I had no idea what to do. Some of my coworkers told me to go HR but I decided to just call it quits and leave. I don't know what the fuck I did either since I tried to steer clear of trouble since it was my first job. My metrics were pretty damn good too since I was still in my doe-eyed-new-employee high at the time...

>>50410495
Engish

>>50410449
>filename
you forgot again...

>>50410389
>soon won't be able to use the "they stream more than the girls" cope anymore
They'll always have this cope actually because of 2 important reasons:

1)They fucking need to stream to eat. They ain't eating passively like the girls, they need that adrev, those SCs, those memgifts.
2)They will never be relevant enough for Cover to put them on as many background projects as the girls and take their time.

>>50410536
You mean the stream that was a homocollab? When shit related to homos gets different/better treatment?

Anons you are literally arguing that Cover is stifling Gura by doing shit a literal black company does when they want to get someone to quit.

>>50410495
>marketing
so... he did nothing?

>>50410615
You forgot to do your reps again

>>50410634
No I'm not.

>EU can't purchase official goods without proxy service
>EU can't join official fanclubs
>Management tells talents to never stream at EU hours
>Only talent that streams at EU hours lives in Europe and was hired only because Cover thought she was going to stay in Japan
>That talent is also really niche
>Ergo, EU has no interest in chuubas so Cover shouldn't expand there

>>50410477
The conversation is about the path to how she got here. People are arguing she took enough nos that she gave up. Cover could give her all the perms and shit tomorrow, they already squandered the lazy shark's thin motivation.

Who the fuck is containment breaking and snitching stuff.
>>50245913
She deleted the tweets mentioning the Holostars merch flop.

I don't know. A lot of the time, the simplest explanation is the correct one. To me, "Gura is just kinda lazy and making so much money passively that she doesn't feel the need to stream" makes more sense than "HoloEN management is so inept and stupid that they can't see how they're actively pushing away their biggest talent and are obstructing every single one of the western mascot's ideas".

>>50410520
>I absolutely think the only reason EU is so weak is time zone differences. That makes a huge difference for live content like vtubing.
Can't euros watch stable octopus destination and Fauna? I get Gura and the 11PM late night overlap fest being too late for euros but for all their bitching they have late Mori, Kiara, and Fauna and Ina which is just shy of half the EN roster.

>>50410495
>Apparently, the one who scammed Bao and Saruei for a pretty hefty sum have worked on Gura's Sharkd
I like how you dramafags keep trying to attach this. Oh no Gura *didn't* get scammed by this guy. Better add that!

>>50410400
>Either yuros hate Hololive or they're not financially equipped to pay the price tag for an appearance. I'm having trouble imagining the cost presented to the cons.
Realistically? Probably neither.
Let's assume she was talking about this expo (might not be true). It's a big one with sizeable amount of attendance. Put yourself in the organizer's boots and think about it, then: would any boost Hololive member(s) might bring be big enough to justify the cost? They are already getting 200k people (according to anons), so I can imagine that the venue is pretty packed and they aren't really that desperate for more. Why would you pay to invite Hololive if you can invite someone else cheaper (or free)?
Tl;dr: I doubt they either hate Hololive or don't have money to pay for them. They just don't think it's worth it.

>>50410540
You are right, Kiara is merely a figment of my imagination

>>50410673
>OH MY GOD MANAGEMENT HATES HER THEY'RE DENYING LITERALLYH EVERYTHING SHE WANTS TO DO THAT'S WHY SHE'S NOT STREAMING. SHE CAN'T DO SHORTS SHE CAN'T RELEASE THE MERCH SHE WANTS (even though she eventually did) SHE CAN"T DO X
yes you are

>>50410440
Yes, I do think it’s a skill issue. It doesn’t mean management isn’t making it harder because of their own retarded biases. Of course Gura should grow a spine and learn how to deal with corporate bullshit. But a good management team would also learn to cater to their most valuable employees (as long as that employee isn’t yab levels of toxic or something).
We all know Gura is a weak-willed little bitch with social anxiety. But she’s the most popular one despite that and it doesn’t impact her job (which is to make content her fans like). Management’s mental problems do impact theirs. Which is to make things easier for the talents, not harder, and to stay in the background where they belong instead of vtweeting like attention whores.

>>50410520
Before HoloEN, NA viewers supported the JP girls despite having a much worse timezone for JP streams than EU timezones. This was all in spite of having zero expectations of receiving a HoloEN branch
Where have the EU timezone viewers been for the past 5 years? Are they so utterly blind and incompetent on the internet they can't find vtubers outside of cons, so Cover has to operate at a loss to find these con-only fans? All EU timezone fans have to do is watch streams, support the girls, and buy merch knowing they'd get support like NA viewers did. Instead, they either choose not to watch or simply don't exist

>>50410128
Well it wasn't looped the last 10 hours or so so I didn't expect it

>>50410764
I didn't say any of those things.

>>50410690
Kiara is not niche. Everyone else just has shit taste. I stand by that. Nothing will change my opinion.

>>50410709
Why are you arguing against incompetence when everyone is talking about malice?

>>50410495
>Worked on Shark'd
>Marketing
roru, shut the fuck up

How grim is this?

>>50410509
Mori also helps promote their pet project

>>50410845
Hey, all together they got 800 more people than just Fauna's POV!

>>50410845
Better than the holoEN collab holokek

>>50410849
Sorry, you got me confused. I just wanted to call Mori fat as a joke. I apologize.

>>50407543
Let me interest you in a popular vod.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mdAO_-f_C0

>>50410495
Difference between working directly with a studio like Gura did and a dude who worked for a studio before going solo.

>>50410709
>HoloEN management is so inept and stupid
that's LITERALLY the simplest explanation tho. Especially after EN management was so inept and stupid to push two gens of EN homos when the branch desperately needed a new gen of girls.
That and multiple accounts from other girls complaining about management. Like Ame waiting fucking months for a reply. Or anything regarding IRyS.

>>50410804
Don't worry, everyone else is fully aware of how fanatical you fags are.

>>50410826
But what could Gura have done to make management malicious against her? The only thing I can think of would be the fact that she's a lolituber, and maybe management hates lolis or something? But that's about it.

>>50410706
Her friend is probably a tempiss sister from /mans/.

>>50410737
>Can't euros watch stable octopus destination and Fauna?
Nope. They stream at like 22:00 and above for most euros. Best they can do is Kiara, and even then dumb bitch starts most of her streams at 16-17:00ish.

>>50410690
EU isn’t into vtubers because vtubers can only succeed outside of East Asia and SEA when a JP corpo does the moving. And unfortunately, JP corpos have JP corpo autism.
There are literal dissertations written that discuss this. The only reason Europe has weebs is because of a few lucky breaks that happened to make European companies make the first move in licensing anime and manga titles.
It’s absolutely ridiculous. I’m a burger who isn’t impacted at all but I feel so much pity for EUbros.

>>50410845
man, Finana reclined hard

>>50410872
You sure? >>50410871

>>50408728
>now your fanbase has turned on you too
Yeah, and it's her own fault. Movie May is about to end without even Mario watched, no members post, nothing, and she's blatantly ignoring the crowd forming, I've never seen this many tridents so grumpy and/or despondent. And what world are you living in where she shills merch? She doesn't even shill her own merch most of the time.

>>50410845
The only GRIM one is Finnana. The rest seems to be getting their usual neutral numbers (

>>50409754
>Gura talked about doing Movie May
>Gura talked about feeling the urge to stream if she doesn't stream for a few days
>Gura talked about
>Gura talked about
There is literally no reason to trust anything Gura says ever. Find a better source.

>>50410709
The simplest explanation is that Gura is lazy (observable reality, or if not lazy then slow) and EN management is incompetent. Together they make shit worse.

Why would you choose ONE?

>>50410887
What caused Watame's algo buff?

>>50410543
Let's say you're arguing with a person and you suddenly notice they have monkey hands. Then you realize you've been talking to a monkey the entire time.
It's the same feeling.

>>50410907
What could have a popular loli vtuber with lolicon tendencies do to piss off a bunch of Californians?
And that's assuming they need more reason than them being power tripping dicks

>>50410845
The worst part is, these aren't NijiEN runts. These people are all, I think (I don't know about the homo) well known.

>>50410764
>SHE CAN'T RELEASE THE MERCH SHE WANTS (even though she eventually did)
Yeah, she just had to go to Japan, speak to the JP managers directly, and get help from Marine to convince them to stop being fucking retards. No biggie.

>>50410907
Go over their heads regarding the 3D live

>>50410878
Kek. Oh shoot. Sorry. Went right over my head

>>50411033
Bro what, she was supposed to release it BEFORE she went to Japan but then she got "sick" and then fucked off for months

>>50410967
The simplest explanation IS that both are true. Have anons not seen EN management being incompetent fucks going on ego trips? Are they blind?

>>50411001
Honestly, I can actually see this being true, so if this ends up actually being the case and one day, after Gura graduates she goes
>"yeah, they actually wanted me to fail because I was a loli"
I would not be surprised.

>>50411013
Finana is like runtiest of the runts. Only Aia is lower than her. Uki is like mid tier NijiEN male
Selen and Pomu are 2nd and 3rd female NijiENs

Why is there random seethe about Gura?

>>50410967
Gura was lazy as fuck even prior to hololive with no managers and complete freedom, to the point she couldnt get out of 3view status because she streamed randomly once every 3 months. I guess you could argue it is Covers fault for not scaring her with some sort of ultimatum to stream.

>>50411033
NTA, but that showed that Gura wasn't really fighting for her ideas. Sure, management might be retarded, but it could've been better if she wasn't such push-over.
It's not like HoloJP management was always perfect. There were shitty managers before, and might still be now (mind you, though, that just because they rejected an idea doesn't mean they are bad). The difference is that several HoloJP members have said that they learned to voice their opinions and fight for them (i.e: Lamy, Twap, Subaru, etc.). Gura should've done so instead of allegedly giving up

what does it say?

>>50410914
>even then dumb bitch starts most of her streams at 16-17:00ish
Most often, Kiara starts in the EU early afternoon and continues to just past or just about CE(D)T midnight.
There's literally a 6 to 8 hour window where any euro getting off work can watch her.

>Hakui Koyori #130
Holy shit

>>50411126
fauna cancelled her stream and saplings are angry

>>50411151
>to the point she couldnt get out of 3view status because she streamed randomly once every 3 months
Lol this has to be the most undeserved success ever, then.

>>50411195
Chumbuds and saplings are allies here falseflagger-kun

>>50411033
Except for the part where her merch was approved and announced about 4-5 months before she ever set foot in Japan. The only reason it took a stupid amount of time to actually go up for sale is because she took a stupid amount of vacation time right around then.
Your retroactive tourist interpretation of what happened is just what you get when you're looking for any reason to justify her actions and work backwards from there.

>>50411176
Brrats... they are laughing about our dick sizes and cuck tendency...

>>50411176
ohohoho

>>50411185
I'm not going to jump in the middle of a JRPG stream buddy. I also hate Kiara.

t. Eurofag nightowl. I do watch Ina (when she's not spamming BOTW jesas Ina)

>>50411195

>>50411151
>I guess you could argue it is Covers fault for not scaring her with some sort of ultimatum to stream.
JP Naivety. I genuinely think that when Myth came about, all of Cover was like
>"Well, of course the girls will want to do shit. They're part of a big up-and-coming trend, a massive anime culture expansion. Why wouldn't they?"

>>50410804
Now you are just baiting

>>50411239
no they're not

>>50410737
>and Fauna?
I try, but her usual slot is past midnight.

>>50411151
Yes, having some structure is useful for maintaining a routine. Of course Gura would fare horribly left completely to her own devices. That’s not what we’re arguing. We’re saying that management isn’t doing their job of wrangling talents when they should and are instead wrangling them when they shouldn’t and sapping Gura’s motivation.
Gura is a flaky shit who can’t do anything by herself. Management is failing in being that guiding hand and is instead being a bunch of obstructionist cunts.
Neither side is guilt-free, but management is failing at the one thing they’re good for. And also, this board has spammed the catalog with dozens of baitposts about Gura’s laziness already, so that’s why we aren’t talking about it.

>>50410918
>I’m a burger who isn’t impacted at all but I feel so much pity for EUbros
No reason to. Being a weeb in Europe is pretty fucking good. Cons left and right and pretty much everyone is into anime and manga to some degree. With the younger gens doubling down on it. It sucks for Holofans because you get absolutely fucking nothing but I'm pretty sure that sooner or later it will reach the market. One of the biggest Italian cosplayers is a massive Holofag.

>>50411280
Like I said you can’t change my opinion.

>>50411278

>>50411185
>Get home early from work
>Get to catch last 30 minutes of Kiara gaming she was doing for last two hours
>Get to watch next 8 hours of Kiara SC reading
Truly a great time

>>50409154
Are you somehow dumber than a clock?
Check the link that started this chain, listen to what Kiara says about Outlast Trials, then you can spout your nonsense.

>>50411126
Gura streamed that’s it! Wait but they seethe even when she doesn’t stream……

>>50411334
Kiara SC readings are the best part. /#/ would be boring without her.

>>50411315
I honestly except some JP indies to break into European market before Cover does

>>50411239
Proof? I’m a sapling and I hate the shart

>>50411391
EU HATES Vtubers, they'll rather watch tiktok and eurovision all day

>>50411328
Retard I love Kiara, but she's so niche that sometimes she tries to filter her own fans, and the only reason I don't close the tab is because I love her that much. Compare her to Gura, no personality, just a meme internet girl that can easily appease the lowest common denominator

>>50411391
>INB4 EN3 has a French chuuba
It was revealed to me in a dream.

>>50411426
Fuck right off retarded falseflagger.

>>50411426
Fuck off we love Gooba here

>>50411185
Are we going to go into this timeloop again? It’s KIARA. If a corpo throws you their one talent who filters people the most and tells you to become a regular viewer and send her superchats and everything or else they’ll never market to you again, you tell them to eat shit and die, because not even a nijisis would stand for that.
There’s a reason the word “token” is used for this kind of behavior. A token EU is not enough. They have to debut multiple people who stream in that timezone so that A.) people have options, and B.) more collab possibilities.
It’s not a viewer’s responsibility to prove to a corpo that they deserve vtubers. It’s the corpo’s job to do market research and figure out untapped audiences. That’s literally how they grow!

>>50411448
Honestly Kiara trying to get into Eurovision is smart. Atleast she know what Euros want.

>>50411456
I hope so and I hope she does feet streams

I remember someone saying there are only a few people on the Kronii and Mumei panels at Momocon.. Why are you guys lying?
https://youtu.be/crib-lZflIg

>>50411126
People were shitting on management last thread (it obviously carried over to this thread), and there is an anon who starts shitting on the girls whenever that happens. Some other anon a few weeks ago claimed that he targeted Gura specifically, and I guess he's vindicated.

>>50411126
Because she mogged NijiEN's males and females combined Outlast collab
>15081 total for the Luxiem + Ren
>8136 total for the top females + Uki
KEK

How much do you guys wanna bet that Kronii, in all her anti-idol culture glory, is going to be a Coco main?

>>50411524
When it was posted here people were making fun of Tempus' phots because they were clearly cutting off the empty seats, no one said anything about Kronii/Mumei's panel

>>50411426
>I'm a sapling

>>50411239
>Chumbuds and saplings are allies here falseflagger-kun
They are "allies" the same way Germany and Soviet Union was allies at the beginning of WW2

The seethe that will happen in two months when Gura has a venting mengen about how Fauna was foisting gay vegan food on her during an offcollab will destroy this board

>>50410706
It’s not like vt is some secret club. It’s the 4th fastest board in 4Chan and shoots to first during events.

>>50411176
もしこよりがやろうとしてたら、薦めますか?とめますか?w

おほほほ
わが友になってくれっといいたい。
ストリーがいいよ
でも本当に汚いもの見せちゃうから。
どうかな
わかない
WWWWW
自分でも進めるか止めるかわからないな
とめるかな。。。

>>50411391
...Why would they bother?

>>50411544
That fucking cunt doesn't even know who Coco is.

>>50411456
Unironically, "Saruei but idol" is probably my ideal chuuba. French accents are hot.

>>50411497
Many of the most popular JPs stream at viable EU time. You don't need to watch Kiara

>>50411372
???
But more boobs don't make a girl cuter or better

>>50411554
Fauna forcing Gura to do anything is hot as fuck

>>50411582
For the same reason some bothered to become /here/ chuubas

>>50411606
>t. faggot

Reminder to irystocraps who kept linking the outdated median chart for May that Kronii will overtake Irys's median today with this stream

as an EU anon that understands Japanese and works from home. I start work at 18:00 JST. My lunch hour is lines up with most lives at 21:JST and most JPs are finsihing around the time I log off. Its a good life.

>>50411490
no we don't

>>50411426
Yea? And im a Pomudachi and i want Luca to satisfy my oshi in every which way. Prefferably onstream

>>50411554
> The seethe that will happen in two months when Gura has a venting mengen about how Fauna was foisting gay vegan food on her during an offcollab will destroy this board
The best part is, it’ll actually be a clip taken out of context where Gura was really saying that she was hungry and Fauna offered her some snacks. And that it was weird vegan shit because of course Fauna is only going to have weird vegan shit if it’s meant for her.

>>50411497
>They have to debut multiple people who stream in that timezone
Euros have HoloID too.

>>50411606
are you a homo?

>>50411001
Literally every EN manager is Japanese or lives in Japan you retarded poltard

>>50411527
I normally see management defenders during JP time, this is something new

>>50411033
The dakimagura that was announced in September, months before she went to Japan?

>>50411554
Globalsharts are so unfunny. Go back.

>>50411672
This is just a side note, but wasn't Fauna a chumbud pre-Holo? Why is she so awkward around Gura in collabs?

>>50411240
It was allowed in September it wasn’t finished till December. She didn’t release it till February

>>50410495
Gura hired the whole Tonari Animations, those who LIGs hired a single ex-employee in hopes of cost-cutting. They deserve to get scammed KEK

>>50411579
thanks but I meant what did she mean

>>50411795
>but wasn't Fauna a chumbud pre-Holo? Why is she so awkward around Gura in collabs?
...you answered your own question

>>50408829
EN exists to give JP more exposure, it’s supposed to be sub-par baby food that you give up when you grow up

>>50411664
So what all Kronii does is spam Minecraft and karaokes. Also she gets raided all the time.

>>50411795
>Don't meet your heroes

>>50411795
It's hard to contain yourself when you're with your idol and oshi

>>50411638
>Europe is /here/ tier
Oof.

>>50411497
> It’s not a viewer’s responsibility to prove to a corpo that they deserve vtubers
It literally is. Nobody is investing in a market that by all metrics has 0 demand.

>>50411795
She may seem good at bantering with chat and her own gen but she really is shy. It is literally the reason she only joins group collabs with Myth and never initiates a collab with them. Every single Kiara/Gura collab was initiated by the senpai, not by her. She even said recently she's STILL kind of starstruck with the Myth girls because she's been a fan.

>EU doesn't watch streams, Kiara proves it!
yeah and people also don't watch the fucking homoshits yet Cover still keeps pushing out those failures. I'd rather have a cute girl with a French accent than Bazinga Kakka playing Minecraft with Maximus Faglord.

Was EN 3 mixed gen before Mr Jap take over? They have to find 3 more girls after btfo the Males to the tempus2? Like tempus 1 supposed to be 5 (with Bettel as their Bard)

>>50411957
>Nobody is investing in a market that by all metrics has 0 demand.
And when you do, that's how you end up with 8 homos who are all low 4views-3views.

>>50409161
Back to leeching again Jeremy?

>People that don’t watch Gura are mad that Gura doesn’t stream. People bring up reasons and it devolves into fuck her she’s just a bitch
Why try to explain yourself after the first response. You’re just wasting your time these people probably don’t come here to do anything but argue

>>50411126
Sister's bait threads didn't work

>IS
>7 minutes in
>Only 3.7K
Kek Kronii is washed up!

>>50412005
Nah, Alice just jumped a ship year ago and then they couldn't keep full team for more than two months

>>50412035
Anon it's all bait, they don't care about Gura, they don't care about anything except getting that (you). Gura is used as bait for the exact same reason Fauna and IRyS are used.

>>50412103
She’s going to get more than Fauna’s Bioshock 2

>>50412005
>Mr Jap
who? you guys come up with weird names sometimes

>>50412198
Go back

>>50412198
That's literally his name Mr. Newfag

>>50412182
>ultra mega hyper-buff fangame
>barely beating omega-debuff Bioshock2
grim

>>50412103
Looks enough to end up at 7-9k stream. She is fine

>>50411813

I don’t feel like literally translating it, you can DeepL or google that shit yourself.

Koyori: If I said I wanted to try this game, would you say go ahead? Or would you stop me?

Bae:
Ohoho
Join the dark side
The story is good
But you might see something nasty
Hmm
I’m not sure
Kusa
I’m not sure if I’d say go ahead or not
Maybe not?

I have no clue wtf this is about but koyori sounds like she wants to try something and is asking bae

>>50412178
supposed that vegan don't drink milk either

sometimes there are markets you just can't conquer. Europe is one of them just like how little it makes sense to cater to the African market as a luxury brand

>>50412035
>People that don’t watch Gura are mad that Gura doesn’t stream.
People that do watch Gura are the ones upset that she isn't streaming, whether they're worried, mad or just sad. No one knows what the fuck is going on and it only ever gets worse, it's a mess.
>You’re just wasting your time these people probably don’t come here to do anything but argue
This is /#/, yes.

>>50412035
>People that don’t watch Gura
You can shorten that to "everyone"
Even if you for some reason still buy into her lies, you can't watch content that doesn't exist.

>>50411957
You mean the metrics that prove that EU has a massive audience of weebs throwing money at Japanese merch? Yeah I'm sure that there is no way they'd ever be interested in Vtubers. It's not even worth trying. Just debut more Homos that will work.

CLOCK GOLD
UNIKEKS IN SHAMBLES

>>50412301
They aren’t here, they don’t care, they’ve made peace with the few streams.

>>50412284
Europe has always been a market where you can only really take advantage of it piecemeal. Same way you can't just "take over the Asia market" because it's a series of smaller and only partially connected markets.

>>50412370
What do unityfags have to do with anything?

>>50411176
> "good story, but lots of disgusting things in it...."

fuck, koyo is contemplating playing the dick game

>>50412271
it's about genital jousting.
100% think it's about that game.

>>50412370
BASED BASED BASED

>>50411957
NijiIN…

>>50412406
She saw an en not named Gura get better numbers then her and it caught her attention

>>50412271
>>50412404
was from the morning show stream

>>50412387
>they’ve made peace with the few streams
They absolutely have not, they made peace with the few streams that were supposed to happen this month and now even that went up in smoke. I'm pretty sure you're the one that doesn't watch her because whether it's positivity or complaining every comment or chat message from her members has a desperate 'welcome back please don't leave again' undertone.

All guraschizos are KFP, don't ever forget this.

>>50412406
probably not since it was mostly censored on stream when talking about it

>>50412390
We’re talking about digital content. The only filter here is language, and as long as you stream in English, it’s fine. Who cares if you don’t get as many frogs, since there’ll be plenty of krauts and swamp krauts and bongs watching to make up for that. After that, the indies can take over for the faggots who really want to watch someone stream in their native language.

>>50412198
Get out sister or do your reps

>Kronii goes for Magni glove
uh oh VESPERONII BROS?

>>50412406
She said she cant because there's no JP ver

>>50412370
>Clock Gold
>When Moom is singing soon + happy announcement

>>50412523
Jesus fucking Christ. The market for Gura is more inelastic than for fucking crack and insulin.

>>50412664
Stop updating krocuck

>>50411795
>>50411822
>>50411975
>why is she so awkward around Gura in collabs?
and of course /#/ would eat this tomfoolery KEK. Watch the few SNOT collabs, Gura is 100% MOST comfortable with Fauna, Mumei and Kronii to the point that they can discuss any disgusting habits (Gura and Mumei), can basically read each other's mind regarding yab worthy memes (Gura and Fauna), and her back and forth banter with Kronii. I've never seen Gura gets irritated by someone except Kronii, which just supports how comfortable they are with each other. It is the only collab where Gura doesn't need to rely on her meme side to try to connect to her collab partner. She can be herself with SNOT. Not to mention they have their own SNOTcord, which probably helped build their bond.

Watch Mumei and Gura room review, SNOT Halloween snack reviews, and SNOT Wolfquest. Don't just eat up anything you read from here.

>>50412725
>Enjoy a content creator
>They make content everyone is happy
>They suddenly stop
>They are still in the company so it's not like they got fired so it's expected for them to continue to deliver
>Start making false promises since they never deliver
>Comes up with a (understandable if you're not a schizo) health excuse
>But then continues to make false promises and never deliver
I mean

Another day without nijien on cripple tally

>>50412352
>EU can't buy official merch so Cover never realized there's audience there
That would explain things desu

>>50412619
The reason why Cover gives zero fucks about Euros is cause they have the stats to show that they’re a miniscule part of the audience who couldn’t even manage to show up when the whole fucking world was locked down. Meanwhile NA was gobbling down JP content and buying merch long before EN was even a thing.
Cover is more interested in trying to attract non-mainland chinks and spics over Euros.

>>50412523
No they’ve made peace with how it’s going to be. Yes they want her to stream more, youtube probably wishes she steamed more to but they rather this than her disappearing forever.

>>50412271
Bae is now considered the dick game expert among Holos...

>>50412596
*pomutori fags

>>50412904
If you keep saying it it becomes true.

imagine making a tally to give the other corpo a sliver of chance to get consolation gold and they can't even make the tally for that.

>>50412904
Look chumbie, you may have "made peace' but not all of us have. Speak for yourself.

>>50412352
NA was showing up when the most they got was translated 30 second clips and Korone going HEY GUYS

>>50412871
Would have watched if Uki wasn't in it.

>>50412912
She is the Queen of Cocks after all

>guraseethe spam
Did you get tired of cuckposting in /ggg/?

>>50412904
True. I'm a chumbud and I don't even want her to stream.

>>50412682
I guess it's probably just some fun small conversation with the rrat in the end

>>50412847
>>50411975
>>50411890
>>50411822
>>50411795
>barely competent social retards trying to analyse social interactions

>>50412871
This NijiEN Outlast collab compared to the HoloEN the other night really shows the power gap

>>50413114
>a threadreader who barely watches streams trying to chime in

>>50412904
From Bramble comments.
Definitely people who seem totally fine and happy with the current state of affairs and not at all like they’re about to jump off a bridge.

>>50412904
No, they haven't. They would have if she actually came out and said it, not just what I can, when I can'd everyone, but every single month since her February return she's been setting people up to think they'll get to see her again and then finding out well after the fact that it is not the case. I know Movie May is a shitpost magnet but it's a shining example of it as well, she came up with the list, checked it twice, said she still wanted to do it and now...nothing. Didn't even cancel, didn't say a word to her fans, she's just been doing collabs and Outlast made it clear that she's conciously avoiding the entire issue. No one makes peace with being jerked around, the vod and members post comments are a mess. If it quiets down after this it's not acceptance, it's because everyone has given up.

>>50413114
>projecting

>>50413051
lol this is the shit ggg has to put up with every day, at least our sperg fucks off from time to time.

Kronii has reacted to 0 things she's seen in the game so far. Not even the homo refs lmao.

>>50410623
If they're anything like StarsJP then their stream consistent will soon take a hit.

>>50413289
>Kronii
>Hololive references

>>50413009
nta but hell, even LATAM viewers were showing up more than euros back then

>>50413289
based
idol shartdown is reclining

>>50408220
Wait they literally have Nina that's fluent in french and she's not part of it? The hell?

>>50413289
That's fine considering that it's kronii

>>50413289
Did she at least react to her favorite batch of homo references?

>>50413289
Bro, Mori is a fucking living holo wiki compared to Kronii

>>50413392
Barely.

>>50410970
YT is a bunch of black magic. We'll never know.

>>50413392
No. That's the thing, she hasn't reacted to ANYTHING. Not even the homo shit specifically put in the game for people like her.

People seemed to have confused happiness with peace. Would you prefer I use the doomer version “come to terms with it?”

>AIEEEEEEEEEEEEE PLEASE REACT TO OUR HOMO SHIT
>PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
pathetic beggars lmao

>>50413289
Homoclippers in shambles

>>50413289
how can she reacts when she knows nothing about hololive

>>50413465
>doesn't react to males
>still get hate
Why?

>>50413615
HELLO GOOD SIRS

>>50413643
It's not hate. I'm genuinely just shocked. I knew she didn't care about Holo at all, but damn.

>>50413514
You 'come to terms' with a firm Aqua stance, or a graduation, or a terminal illness. Not being jerked around, you just get more annoyed, as soon by the continued response to what keeps happening.

>>50413558
they gonna put a clipbait tittle like "she prefer magni over vesper" or "she can stop maggin"
screenshot this

>>50413643
she still knowledged them

It’s pretty clear the ones defending EN management are Hololive antis, how can anyone defend that whole shitshow involving Mori’s cover?

>people acting surprised that Kronii doesn't give a single fucking shit about Hololive and especially HoloJP

6K DORYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

All this talk of Gura makes me wonder how many of the EN girls are despondent and frustrated with the state of their branch? You have to imagine some of them joined in hopes of having HoloEn be HoloJP, but in English. I would be so discouraged by how management was dealing with my branch if I were in their position. I would even consider simply winging it when it came to my Hololive duties. Like what’s the point? If they decided to quit because they didn’t like how the winds were blowing, I wouldn’t blame them. Sure, money might be good, but if you aren’t happy with where you are, you shouldn’t have to convince yourself to stay.

>>50413859
qrd?

>>50408220
Kiara touched on this a while ago but basically Japan Expo didn't want to spend a cent. No guest fee payment, no transportation costs, nothing. So Cover turned them down.

>>50413982
>You have to imagine some of them joined in hopes of having HoloEn be HoloJP
That would require some amount of ambition, and I think Kiara and Mori are LITERALLY the only ones who have any of that.

>>50414002
Yeah I think Transportation cost is the big one. If I remember correctly Cover has staff at every event they attend to run the meet & greet and other on-site stuff.