/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>50405964
Mentioning Gura in title, which means somehow it will be Gura's fault.

>>50405964
>Animator
you know this part implies one person right? dramanigger

Holowhores ruining VTubing once again

>>50405964
So it was that fucker who ripped off Bao? I don't even like her but it's pretty shitty to rip her off 10k

>>50406253
OP just admit your thinly veiled Gura seethe thread is shit, make a more direct one next instead of continuing this embarrassing act.

AI will never scam you

>>50405964
lmao guy deleted his twitter within minutes of being called out, he's been anticipating this shit. what a very specific, but profitable grift.

easy come easy go I guess, they do donothons all the time anyway

>Bao
Why does she feel the need to lie all the time?

>>50406531
This, literally just go live with another griftathon and son a little about getting scammed every few hours and you'll get your money back double within two days

Oh nyo.

I love how you had to lead with the Gura connection cause people would skip your shit thread otherwise. Who the fuck is captain hanna?

>>50406531
Exactly, why making a fuss over a measly 34k if they can get it back in less than a month.

>>50406369
She can afford it

>>50405964
>you blocked my lawyer
If anyone ever blocked my lawyer, I'd head straight to court, not Twitter.

It’s Gura’s fault, god I hate holoshit

>>50406094
He's actually right that it was one animator specifically. This person left/was fired from studio Tonari and immediately started fishing for commissions

>>50405964
All roads lead to guilt by association. Amazing how the troon guidebook is always followed to a T, when nothing else works. Why even bother taking down Gura anyway? She's doing a good job on doing that herself. Unless, you want the scalp, right? You want the trophy. You want the "we took down the pedo side of vtubing" narrative so you can deflect away from you trannies trying to have sex with real children. You people are the grasshoppers of society, and if there's any justice left in the word, you will all be exterminated like the bugs you are.

>>50406769
So it's actually "Former employee of animation studio Gura used proves the studio was right to fire him."

>>50406253
ิback to twitch and chill with that fat whore, kson

>cumsharts defending this behavior and their oshi
Despicable.

>>50405964
Its ok it wasnt her money anyway

Get owned. Went for a name just because they worked on something for Gura instead of the animation company.

>>50406969
if that's the case the former studio should probably go after him as well because this shit can ruin reputations

it took them ten money transfers with nothing to show for it before they caught on something might be up?

>>50407144
Nobody ever claimed Bao was smart.

>>50405964
>stealing money from whores
based?

>>50405964
Stealing money from women is never a bad thing.
Here at /vt/ we stand with James Wick.

>>50405964
Sorry.
They were Gura's orders

>>50405964
>several week old news
>spins it so that Gura's in the tile
Why are you discrediting the issue like that?
Because it looks like you're just trying to make a Gura bait thread.

>>50407193
Don’t be a whore don’t be dumb problem solved

>>50405964
how fucking rich are these girls they can spend 5 figures on a stupid lore video?

>>50405964
This is gura's fault

>>50407305
In Bao and Saruei's case, they both used money from Subathons they did on twitch for these videos,

just fucking nuke the thread meido

>>50407305
If the Twitch leak from long ago was anything to go by, they have plenty of money to live comfortably.

>>50407305
Don't blame the whores, blame the simps.

>>50407082
>>50406969
The guy might never have claimed to still be working with the studio. He probably simply self-inflated his own role in his ex company and the girls believe that he can deliver similiar quality product but "cheaper". It's kinda like how Infafune scams everyone with mighty no 9 lol

>>50407305

generally this is what subathon earnings go to which is effectively free money

>>50407305
Insane amount of money. Crazy to think how 1 griftathong they do can make about as much as a average man's salary.

>>50405964
Saruei did a scammathon and didn't deliver any of the goals so deserved
Feels bad for the other chuubas tho

>>50405964
it's pretty funny how all the chuubas he targeted are known for being dumb and doing scamathons. Still a scumbag, hope he gets taken to court and loses all his shit

>>50407595
/lig/ more or less found the guy before the chuubas dropped the info themselves. Apparently he lives in California, a state where the amount he's taken counts as a felony, and Bao's lawyer works for United Talent Agency. He's probably ruined his life over 50 grand.

>>50407647
/lig/ did something useful for a change? wow

>>50406468
Profitable? His ass is going to jail for fraud.

>>50405964
sisters we fucking won

>>50407647
>50k in California
So, he'll never work again, and probably go to prison over 50k in a state where 50k goes fucking nowhere.
lol, lmao even.

>>50405964
>packed out like 200K from indies and will now proceed to fuck off

>>50405964
holy based

Take the scammerpill

>>50406782
>>50406026
none is blaming Gura, what the fuck are you on about

>>50407647
Wick did nothing wrong

>>50407305
>anon realizes streamers make millions of dollars
where have you been for the past decade anon?

>>50407792
Your average criminal isn't any smarter or less short-sighted than their victims, only less scrupulous.

>>50407954
Gura hates her fans, and nothing you say will deflect from that.

>>50407740
yeah one of the anons in /lig/ sniffed out who it was, what his studio name was, and found out the whole story about 24 hours before the vtubers themselves dumped the info. >>50156222

Next Rape

>>50407954
No one is saying Gura is at fault. It's just funny Gura is even mentioned in the title of this thread. Like news clickbait.

>>50407792
If it's over a certain amount over state lines it's a federal crime too.

>>50407968
And this is reason one is why scamming vtubers is always morally correct.
The other reason is because they're women.

>>50406769
hes not an animator, hes the manager of the studio and the animators on the project. it was spoken about on stream.

He could have spun this into a relative level of fame and steady business but he ruined himself for life for a few bux, what a retard

>>50408014
concentrated power of autism

Wick was in the right.
Stand with him or go back.

>>50408158
Scamming whores is not about the money.
It's about doing the right thing.

>>50408079
I hope his dumbass hopped on a plane to Russia yesterday, cause he's going to get fucked by all their lawyers, and the US government, and his prison cellmate.

>>50407305
there's a reason why Cover can't find any talent for a new EN gen
Filian for example has over 9000 subs right now

no way they can compete with twitch money

>>50407647
>>50408007
>He's probably ruined his life over 50 grand.
How retarded is this guy lmao, you can get 300-400k in bussiness loans and flee the country afterwards with the same amount of effort
It's like robbing a bank for 200 bucks, wtf are u even doing lmao

Gura bad

>>50405964
Why are chudcel like this? Why do they always lie or are scamming others?

>>50408573
Cover just built a $20 million studio.
no way your twitch whores can compete with that kind of money.

>>50405964
lmao
that guy is fucked

>whores getting scammed

Love to see it

>>50405964
So you're saying all of these people can afford to throw away over $30,000 on an original song.
Cool. Never giving them a cent.

>>50408573
Marine has about 45000 members at one point.

>>50408079
Imagine being the guy who ends up in federal prison for not delivering a 1-minute video to a twitch thot with an anime avatar

>It's another episode of "nobody knows how to hire a lawyer"

Oh gee, I hope this guy doesn't get doxxed. That would be pretty bad for him.

>>50409185
They know to hire a lawyer. They just choose to do this first to get pity points and more money out of their viewers and THEN they call their lawyer and get their money back through chargebacks.

>>50409185
Bao does have a lawyer and she sicced them on the guy, which is what caused him to run and delete all his socials

>>50405964
kek he deleted his account

>>50409185
they're too dumb to do it themselves, that's why the talent agencies they belong to have lawyers. he's probably fucked

>>50409109
the JP side is obviously successful
compare EN with EN

>>50409310
Not just his personal account but his company's account too

>>50408573
twitch money is nothing compared to ad, sponsorship, and merch money, and subs, if gifted, are especially bogus

>>50409491
Also twitch prime subs. They are the majority. It's why they do subathon once a month or less frequently. Those are already worth half a regular sub and twitch still takes 50% of it.

>>50409109
Japan is not western

>>50409352
Hopefully it works and the corps don't just fake the whole thing and then stonewall the chuuba with "sorry haha work in progress haha" if they ask for updates

>>50405964
He's doing what he can, when he can

>>50409610
you can create bunch of throwaway prime account for $0 which is not possible on youtube members

>>50406441
very based post, I approve of this message

>>50405964
glad that Geega got scammed since she helped raise funds for a child grooming (trans) charity

>>50409781
Pretty sure people sub on twitch just so they don't have to deal with the god awful ad system they have.

It was only a matter of time until something big like this happened. Artists on the indie scene are notoriously flaky and unreliable because they feel like they call all the shots in the community and usually have zero consequences if they dont produce or fuck it off for months. Hopefully this will start a trend of indie vtubers making actual contracts with people to hold them accountable.

so this company is a scam? https://www.tonarianimation.com/works/
wtf?

>>50408573
they just built a $20 million dollars studio.
>>50409357
>>50409709
JP is part of Cover, you don't get to cherrypick and compare the best of something with the worst of something to claim victory.

>>50408049
It's not funny at all, he's primarily known for working with Gura so of course that will be brought up.

>>50406026
This. Even if it wasn't international on OP's part catalog seethers will jump on this like a pit alone with a toddler.

>>50410100
Do you not even threadread? He used to be part of the company, but isn't anymore. Then he claimed he's making a new studio and twitch chuubas commissioned him. The original company has nothing to do with it.

>>50410100
No, the company is legit. The scammer used to work for them but was fired. Started scamming people afterwards, using the reputation and good will built from being part of the company.

>>50410100
The company itself is legit, he used to work for it but either left or got fired but he was larping as if he was still working for them

>>50410100
The dude who did the scamming worked for them, either got fired or left after the gura animation, and made his own studio, Studio Cell. Studio cell was the one that did the scamming but he used his past connections with Tonari to appear legitimate

this guy didn't charge 200k to Gura for the video

>>50410218
No it is funny. He worked for a company that did animation for Gura. He, himself, is not known for anything. And if you still want to count that, then his biggest accomplishment in life (besides scamming twitch ethots out of tens of thousands of dollars) is being associated with a company that did animation for Gura, which is funny.

>went around the studio to work with one person
>get scammed
Retards. Maybe this will teach you something about credentialism and CV padding. These indies probably still wear masks to this day.

>>50410319
>studio cell
kekw that zero effort name clearly just for scamming purpose

>>50410508
They keep injecting money into it like a fucking subscription plan but every month they don't even get a progress pic. Should've been suspicious after the first month instead of after so long

>>50410460
I mean he's associated with the animation done for gura and would seemingly be reputable due to it but apparently not

>>50410126
>dont cherry pick
>pit an entire corpo one side vs one chuuba on the other
Yes, yes, logic and all that.
On a more serious count of numbers, what is the split the holos get on subs? Twitch indies get half of the subs money, so the 9k subs is roughly ~22.5k cash into their pocket. How much does Marine get direct to her?

>>50408289
>Fail at actually robbing them
>let them get attention and pity as the poor little victims
fucking useless retard

https://twitter.com/OnigiriEn_/status/1663287118331006976?s=20

Major twitch indie Onigiri talking about how the same people only gave her about half of what she ordered from them and that was with massive delays

>>50405964
finally someone says who this fucker is

>>50406468
>losing a successful career over 34k
lmao fuck no that idiot played himself

>>50410778
35/35/30 split between her, Cover, and YT.

Another lose for the chumbuds

>>50408573
Why are you using a lazy react streamer as an example of talent?

>>50410778
It's pathetic how both sides are defending millionaires. My whore makes money than your whore! This is why you don't give them money at all. They scam you and then get scammed themselves. So you just get double scammed.

>>50411029
React content is just twitch meta. Look at notpikamee and see for yourself. Everyone is fucking lazy on twitch and get paid thousands for it

>>50410891
So in a direct cash comparison on just subs Marine would get $15,750 on her subs, while Fil makes $22,500 with the assumption all subs are $5 and the split stays the same
>>50411037
You had me in the first half, but then you lost it in the second. Both sides still get scammed, holo just stands to lose more corporate face than indies from public admittance

>>50411037
Yeah. The only one who's in the right here is Wick.

>thread needs Gura clickbait in title to get any traction
Many such cases.

Wick is a hero and more people should scam these dumb broads

seems like he got arround 100k+ and he prob already left the country at this point

>>50410778
>mention Cover can't compete against Filian's twitch money.
>oh no don't mention Cover, she can't win.
you retarded?

>>50411187
Lmao not even accounting for twitch prime subs which are the majority. Trying to maximize her income while belittling the other. Nice one faganon

>>50411322
Just making an individual talent comparison on how much they personally profit
>>50411324
Cash is cash, mate

Wick is a hero and I wish him the best

>>50411029
none of the EN girls can compete with her as long as you don't let her sing

>>50411393
Now do the numbers again, but this time with Marine's 45k members vs. Fillian's 9k subs.

>>50411429
t. Wick

>>50411451
Ooh, $39,375, missed a number in there. RIP

>>50411434
Oh, boy, watch out for S+ reacting. She gets to the latest Jubilee within 5 minutes. Great talent.

>>50411473
I wish. These e-thots would never catch me.

>>50411523
Are you retarded? It comes out to $78,750.

>>50411663
They do numbers a little different on twitch.

The amount of people defending scamming in this thread is funny, I wonder what they would think if I tried to redeem

>>50405964
based geega being a smart bitch

>>50411729
If you scam from scammers it equals out

>>50405964

I hate most of the people on this list and those i dont are probably leftist whores too. So good on John Wick for liberating immorally amassed funds from a pack of crafty grifters. I wish him and his soubd business well.

>>50411774
don't use my wife to side with a scammer!

>>50411729
Bloody basterd fuck

>>50411774
Do the needful

>>50405964
>that list of vtubers
>scammed out of money by a liar
I'm blinded by such palpable irony that I missed the part where I'm supposed to care or feel sorry for these women.

>>50411774
you are too based, whore hate

>>50411774
>>50412029
Based.

>>50405964
>thot
>thot
>thot
>thot
>thot
Holy based, hope he gets away with it.

>>50405964
Litigating it on twitter is stupid, if you're gonna sue the guy, sue him.

>>50410755
When you say associated, is the association purely that it was done by a company employing him?

>>50411729
SEA board, deal with it

All of these big twitch indies are making more money than every single girl in HoloEN. Except maybe Gura, but that's only because a bunch of Japanese people buy her merch. All these bitches are doing sponsored streams more often than Gura does any streams at all, they pay thousands each one, some are 5-figures. There's a reason why smart people have been lamenting Cover being asleep at the wheel in regards to getting EN3 running, all the talent has already established themselves and are making bank, there's nobody left to join EN3 except some boring ass literal whos that nobody watches. For all the big names, joining Hololive would be a downgrade.
>but Marine!
nobody cares about foreign people in a different market, this is an EN discussion
Also streaming video games is react content. No more coping.

>>50405964
I don't feel bad for any of these whores, but I'm still not gonna defend thieves. That's degenerate behavior

>>50406696
You don't just magically head straight to court, I doubt this is going to end up in court for over a year. It's probably turning into a class action lawsuit if anything since there's a clearly defined group who were harmed by him which would benefit by pooling resources for a legal team. Even if she lost $30k the legal fees might not be worth it depending on the likelihood that they'd be paid out as part as damages.

>the scammer is here trying to derail the thread

>>50412305
I don't think cover is looking to hire these big twitch indies, none of them will ever fit in Hololive anyways.

>>50412307
Especially not a thief from california..

>>50412467
>You don't just magically head straight to court
Where else are you supposed to file the court documents? Are you going to serve papers on Twitter instead?

>>50412576
A thief from commiefornia is actually doing the right thing though

>>50412467
>muh class action
kek I fucking hope so
the ONLY people that win in class actions are the leech lawyers
always, no exceptions
lmao they'll drag that shit out as long as they can to leech more and more

>>50410881
Yeah I don't know why the idiot would fuck over his career like that

>>50412597
You know she's not her lawyer and she's not going to file the documents herself right? It's not like there's two options, go to court or make a Twitter post warning a community about a scammer. And you build a case, assess damages and look for other pathways like a class action suit before you submit and legal documents.

>>50406468
It's not a grift. Just imagine the kind of loser that tries to make a career out of animating vtubers. Not only are they an artfag, not only are they chronically online, but they're also the wishy-washy, unreliable, NEET-ass autists that just do "freelance" work at random hours in their underwear in their parents' basement or a 1-bedroom apartment that hasn't been cleaned in 6+ months.
This fucker probably got sucked into a video game and didn't feel like doing the work he was paid for, will disappear for a few weeks, then start working again under a new name.

>>50412720
He probably thought he was hot shit and could get his own studio up and running instantly

>>50412814
Well he better be under a new name somewhere in eastern europe because he’s going to get butt raped if he stays in Cali

>>50412491
Bao applied for Myth and was rejected, she's blacklisted from the company despite being bff with notMagni.

>>50405964
>animator
Guy was credited as a Marketer so he's not even an animator either

>>50412994
If she applied for Myth, what does being friends with notMagni have to do anything? There was no magni back then

>>50405964
She's cried about it on stream so I'm sure she'll make the money back from whales sooner than later

>>50412491
true
the twitch thots actually stream

>>50413153
go back

>>50413153
well, yeah. they are by themselves with no support network. If they don't stream another indie will take over.

>>50413153
kek

>>50413064
just homobeggar things
pay it no mind

>>50413064
Magni has already collabed with a lot of his Twitch friends..

The Chuubas are pissed and dropping all his alt account names too. Apparently he was trying to become a vtuber himself too.

https://twitter.com/AuteruTori/status/1663321659976167425
https://twitter.com/baovtuber/status/1663317216388067329

>>50412849
I'm wondering the same thing

>>50405964
>Gura
>Major indies
If they were so major their name would be in the title instead of Gura's.

>>50405964
Setting aside the scamming which I'm sure will be resolved now, that's crazy that all these indie VTubers who /vt/ hates and try to present as failures make so much money off of VTubing that they can afford to spare $30,000 on animated music videos. VTubers clearly make a shit ton of money even considering that a lot of them reinvest it in their hobby (which makes me respect them more if anything, it shows they genuinely care about it and aren't just doing it to get rich). I feel like /#/ is just completely wrong about everything all the time and the amount of attention they receive is ridiculous considering how consistently they are proven wrong. It seems like even if you are always wrong, as long as you project an aura of confidence you will always have a lot of braindead followers.

Not even an animator kek

Actual Animators

>>50412814
>just do "freelance" work at random hours in their underwear in their parents' basement or a 1-bedroom apartment that hasn't been cleaned in 6+ months.
Sounds comfy. Man I wish I could do that.

>>50411451
>Marine's 45k
NTA, but where does this number come from? Is it from a recent members-only stream, or is it from one of the old ones when it was still possible to see CCV because of a bug?

>>50413480
What are you even talking about? I’m still going to call them whores even if it makes you seethe

>>50413491
>>50413547
And yet they still fell for it. Amazing.

>>50406468
fuckin wh*te people cant be trusted

>>50410226
Sadly this is true, I felt a flash of rage at Gura when I saw this thread even though once I read it I realized it had nothing to do with her. For some reason the mere mention of Gura's name makes people angry at her, people do it because it's proven to work.

RKWSN

>>50413480
Don't know where you're getting this from. All high 3view and 4view make decent money. People just have different bars for "rich" but they all make more money than most people here.

>>50413610
It’s why he targeted some of the dumbest chuubas around.

>>50413547
So these dumb women did 0 research and got scammed. Kek

>>50413480
Numbers just moves the goal posts of what success is as they feel like it. Most vtubers on twitch that average more than 300 CCV are able to do it as a full time job.

>>50413491
holy kek

>>50413691
If you have paypigs.

>>50407305
>how fucking rich are these girls they can spend 5 figures on a stupid lore video?
lores are probably 1min more or less and they hired that single dude. Now imagine Gura Shark'd, a 3-min vid where she hired the whole Tonari studio. Probably costed her 150k++ USD

It's depressing that it's impossible to discuss vtubers on this board because 5 extremely autistic southeast asians get to control the narrative and derail threads as they see fit.
If this were an artist affiliated with Nijisanji or VShojo scamming people we'd have daily threads forcing discussion about it, for good reason because it's worth discussing. But because the only person this artist has worked with is Gawr Gura it'll be quietly pruned and we'll never hear about it again as the fags over in /#/ bury it under anti-Niji spam threads.

>>50413491
She deserved to be scammedfor not doing her research lmao.

>>50413905
The fuck are you on about? Stop with your victim complex.

>>50413480
/#/ is a community built around circlejerking over literal fake numbers filtered through an arbitrary formula that they have no access to and don't understand. They are retarded, to put it nicely.

>>50405964
it sucks that it happened, but at least the frog was hit by it too, so it's not all bad

>>50413905
Acknowledging derails is just as bad as derailing, retard.
Besides, what do you want us to do? Cry? Put bombs in the mail? Get over it.

>>50413905
read the thread you fucking idiot. the company he was fired from worked for gura. he’s not even an artist, he does marketing.

>>50413674
Pretty much.
He lied to some implying he was still with a proper animation company but that's why you do your due diligence and ask around before dumping serious money into some random's lap; read a fucking review.
Nope, to hard for them, so they're an easy mark.

https://twitter.com/bythebelle/status/1663327940992462851?s=20

An employee of Tonari talking about how James was fired for consistent NDA breaking on projects and was still using connections inside Tonari to get info on potential commissions

>bottom of the barrel literally who clique of shit vtuber thots get all scammed by one guy

Based.

>>50405964
Who cares?

>>50414244
You cared enough to reply :)

>>50413856
Likely. Some anon with such work experience did a break down once and Gura's thing was very costly, to say the least.

I feel like it's worth bringing back up how retarded OP is to connect this to Gura through his previous employer. From what I can immediately find it doesn't even look like he worked on the video done by Tonari for Gura. I don't see any credits to him in it unless somebody can prove I'm a retard.
This is like saying using an actors name to sell news because a guy who committed arson worked for an effects studio which once worked on a film they worked on but during a completely different time period and neither worked on the same project.
Fucking rent free.

>>50406441
Delete this

>>50406468
>profitable
He made the equivalent of maybe 2 years wages and now his reputation is gone.

This sounds suspiciously like the usual MO for scamming old ladies by pretending to be a rich guy from overseas.

>>50413963
Remember don't do research and easily verify that the guy is a scammer, but "trust your gut".

>>50414377
Seems like he never really had any >>50414216.

>>50414302
Do the few braincells you have left know what a click bait title is?

>>50414233
Knowing how poisonous such bitches can be it wouldn't surprise me if the ones that had basically figured out that they were probably being scammed or had grave misgivings about it still recommend this guy to "their friends" to tear them down too so they wouldn't be the only moron
>justgurlthings.jpg

>>50414302
The guy is not an animator >>50413491
>>50413547
OP is just using Gura as clickbait to get attention. Many such cases.

>>50414452
>Defending clickbait titles

>>50414474
That's bullshit but i believe it

>>50414302
read the thread before your blogpost fag
smarter and faster anons than your slow ass have gone over this

>>50414474
Yeah, bao burned my water and poisoned my crops and ran over my dog with a steamroller

>>50405964
Should've used AI

>>50414516
>Deflecting idiocy with quotes

>>50414552
>bringing back up
Retard.

>>50414474
there's actually a surprising solidarity between the bigger chuubas
they all collab and raid each other

>>50414526
It happens.
The sisterhood is a lie.
Just a nest of dumb vipers and crabs in a bucket

>>50405964
>millionaires getting scammed
today is a good day

>>50412305
>All of these big twitch indies are making more money than every single girl in HoloEN. Except maybe Gura
KEK DYRBI. Let me summarize to you how much the runt of HoloEN is earning, Bae has 390k in SC (not including membership streams), she sold 220k USD worth of merch just from her 2023 birthday, again just from ONE BIRTHDAY CELEBRATION, she averages 4-5m views per month and has a total views of 72m, try converting that to adsense, and probably has 3-5k members. Now add in extras like voice packs, special occasions merch like Valentines/Halloween/Christmas etc, group merch, concert merch, and sponsorships... No indie can hope to see that amount of money. Hell, even Ironmouse didn't top any best sellers on any sites with her nendoroid like how Mori or Gura or any Myth usually do. At most, these big indies that you mentioned have a low to mid 6-digit networth for their entire career, take note, I said networth not yearly revenue. Every HoloEN easily doubles, triples, or even quadruples (Gura and Mori) their networth with just their yearly revenue.

>>50414760
If you're going to try and fight the good fight at least post numbers that mean something

>>50414760
>kek
refer to >>50414039
also merch numbers are *literally* useless without the production costs
why do you guys keep jerking off over these numbers that mean literally nothing?

>>50405964
That man... is James Wick. They call him "Baba Yaga." I once saw him kill 3 vtuber deals in a studio with a ghosted account. A fucking ghosted account!

Hopefully paypal will side with them if multiple people are having the same issue.

>>50405964
Why gura always does this kind of thing? Poor indie vtubers just trying to thrive

>>50414760
all this tells me is that Bae earns as much as Filian does before the Cover cut kek

>>50414216
That's the real reason why people need to stop using Discord. People can just delete shit to hide the evidence.
Something like AIM, they can never delete it on your side. It's saved to your computer forever.

>>50414760
>gets sponsored by Americas Cardroom, Gamestop and Clash
>90/10 split with Mythic
>only has twitch take a cut of her subs

>>50405964
>Tonari Animation
I used to follow their YouTube channel several years ago. The videos used to be fairly informative and I was glad to see the studio involved with Gura. It's a shame it ended like this.

>>50415083
Anon, these girls didn’t even research to see if the guy was actually an animator. You think they know what AIM is?

>>50409821
Oh, she did? Based. I'll send some money her way.

>>50405964
>Saruei, who took her patreon subscribers money promising rewards and never delivering them, is now upset that someone took her money and never delivered.
Fucking deserved

>>50415110
Did you not see the
>formerly
part? He was fired, made his own studio, then started scamming people. It has nothing to do with Tonari.

>>50415103
I really wish Filian’s friends and chat were less annoying because they ruin her stream for me

>>50405964
Damn if only he scammed the nijiniggers too, would have been ultimate holo win

I'm a non-burger chumbud, am i supposed to know about some westoid amerimutt drama which involves a bunch of literal whos, twitch sluts and americrooks? since you put her name in the titile

>>50415341
I'm sorry you're illiterate anon

>>50415259
the community celebrities are pure cancer but it is what it is

>>50414951
PayPal is notorious for being unhelpful but it looks like Bao is reaching the border of the chargeback window. That's probably why the issue is being brought up now when a chargeback is only an option for 180 days.

Why would Gura do this?

My deepest sympathies to the millionaires

>>50405964
how do we cancel gura ITT?

>>50414888
The merch leaks were legit, imagine making $1-2 million on your birthday/ anniversary merch runs which is why they got patched quickly especially so when people were checking out Niji’s merch numbers.

>>50414760
That gura nendoroid sold out preorder on goodsmile within an hour and a half. And that was just first release. Second release was around the same.

>>50406441
funny enough, the major use case for AI right now is automate nigerian prince style scams

>>50415259
I can't fucking stand when retards like mizkif do collabs. Dude needs to die.

If only she were in a big group that would vet and handle all these things to make sure she didn't get ripped off. Something like a corpo maybe? Nah those don't exist for vtubers.

>>50415860
Again, the merch sales numbers mean literally nothing without productions costs. You can not convert sales to money earned by the talent without those numbers. Hundreds of thousands of dollars in merch sold could mean far fewer profit than you seem to think. Also indies also have merch I don't have any idea why you're bringing this up.

Oh I love it. Bao is an arrogant whore that bragged about milking guys and paywalling coom content. This girl is literal human garbage.

>>50412975
He did nothing wrong.

>>50406468
>profitable
If they know who you are and where you live, blocking a lawyer won't save you from a court summons.

>>50416756
Clip?

>>50412814
Dude is not an animator, he's just some sleezy guy had an marketing credit on Gura's MV. Guy has no creativity in his body at all. Unless you count finding ways to scam vtubers as creativity

>>50405964
All of these women are whores who steal money from gullible young men. I feel nothing to hear they were swindled.

>>50405964
>Ripping off Bao
Based

>>50405964
Kek

>>50406969
Well, when did they fire him? And when did the animator work on those indies' projects?

>>50406026
fame fortunes the brave
but i can see why you would think that

>>50405964
Good. They deserve to be ripped off. Fuck those large indies. We need better indies then we have currently.

I wonder if anons will pretend to be artists to rip vtubers they hate now. Not even about the money, but just to make their life miserable.

>>50419399
Zylphe cried when Guu-tara ripped him off but the artist managed to spin the tale on him and got him ex-communicated from the whole Vtuber community.
Sometimes, its easy to trick these Vtubers and steal their funding. Do they have it coming? Yes. Yes they did. They didn't do any research. They did not accept the Terms. They didn't give any self control before throwing the money over.

>>50407305
Lmao if you think these indie shitters are rich, imagine the big Holos or better Cover and Anycolor higher ups.

>>50420095
>or better Cover and Anycolor higher ups.
typical corpo bootlicker

Connections are needed to commission large scale animations and famous illustrators.

Usually, agencies do that.

A vtuber affiliated with a company can rest assured that the company will be the intermediary for the project.

In a sense, this is the advantage of belonging to an agency.

When you do a project as an individual, there is always this risk, and individual vtubers are easily fooled because they lack social skills.

>>50420095
nobody give a shit about yagoo's paychecks, holobrony.

>>50420367

>>50405964
>Bao for 34k
>Saruei for 23k
how can I hate a man who scams annoying whores

>>50405964
>sluts and vshojo orbiters got scammed
There really is justice in this god forsaken world

>>50420367
Why


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you


typing


like


this,


redditor


-kun?

What would Cover even do? Suspend someone who isn't even streaming more than once a month? lmao

>>50420685
do you even have a functioning brain?

>>50420764
I think the cube would active like B

>>50416722
Indies don't sell merch as well, and production cost isn't much there is a reason why all big ips make the most from merch same with cover where talents get more cut since it is self funded.

A cross post from /lig/, but the ligger who sniffed out who this guy was before everything went live's found out multiple accusations of this same dude making fraudulent anime conventions

>>50423759

>>50415103
>Mythic
Fucking hate them.

if you ever scam you should make sure to never get caught

>>50417627
If he had gotten away with it maybe.
But alas

>>50409109
That's not really terribly relevant when the majority are probably Japanese.

>>50420586
>got caught
>unironically not a good look
>said whores winning the narrative, and likely to get more money than he scammed
Would honestly been more based to just deliver the product because LOREshit is retarded and no way shit cost 5digits.

>>50426104
all true
HOWEVER
still can't hate him

>>50405964
>already fired
It's his fault not the previous company he was in.

>>50406026
This. This is another smear campaign against Gura from those bitter indies. Fuck them.

i'll never forgot watching one of mine and /lig/s favorite chubas talk about how she had a pocket artist she was eyeing for work. and didnt wanna show chat the twitter handle... She then proceeds to find the artists most recent work was for Cover, Hachama actually. these women are dumb. you dont need the most expensive people on the planet, do proper research and find some low followed artist, who would love to have a couple grand to work on stuff.
worst part was she really thought no one else knew about the artist kek.

Why mention Gura you absolute faggot.

>>50405964
Ayaaaaaaaaaaaaa 60k from these two sluts alone. Finally some justice in this sad world.

>>50426322
Rent Free. Its the only answer

>>50406026
how can anons be so retarded wtf

>Animator
that's the problem. Gura worked directly with the COMPANY, Tonari Animation.

>>50426446
Two things:
1) He won't get away with it. They can always perform a chargeback and then he's fucked.
2) Pretty sad state of affairs when committing a crime is seen as "justice." Why do I get the feeling you have pretty strong opinions on other crimes, but this one is okay for... some reason?

>>50426234
Gura smears herself with her lack of streams.

>>50405964
>bao gets sent 40k
>throws it away on some random dude
She deserves it

>>50405964
>Scamming Bao and Saruei
Based as fuck

>>50428423
I miss the days when she was a faceless singer doing cover songs. I tend to avoid her but every time she appears around news, drama, etc it just gets worse and worse. No, more like she hasn't improved in any way is a better take.

>>50412994
How did she get blackedlisted?

>>50428490
.

>>50426261
This happens a lot. Part of the reason top artists charge so much fucking money is that they get so much work they can't possibly take it all because of people like the girl you mentioned swarming them

>>50428969
Lets be brutally honest here: The main reason these girls wanted lore videos in the first place is probably because they saw Ironmouse and Vshojo have animated Lore videos and went "Why not me?"

Vtubers are a very impressionable lot and looks like this guy preyed on that.

>>50405964
I see all the time artists, animators, and whatever else just scamming and taking money from people, but why? Of all the things you could scam someone on, this is like the worst field. Like sure, you might get a decent payout, but the trail you left behind is immense and all of your talents in the field go to waste and you will never be able to monetize it again. Plus its not unlikely people will get their money back from you.

There's so many better ways to scam people with so much less accountability and with money you can actually retire off of, are they fucking retarded?

>>50429388
Because there's no real oversight, most vtubers and artists don't want to set up actual contracts and thus it leaves the door wide open to consequence free fuckery

>>50408573
Yeah subs are a bad measure of income for streaming.

Roflgator with 5k subs has repeated said that he makes WAY more money than his friend Crumpet who has 10k subs. That's because ad deals and sponsorships >>> subscriptions where Twitch takes 50% of the cut.

>>50414216
i don't get why people would leak info to him? like is he paying them for leaks..?

>>50429832
Probably bribed them for cash or favors. If Tonari proves it they have a case for Corporate espionage and tampering on top of all the other shit he did

>>50412256
Well yeah but like people see a big name who worked on a famous project before and they just automatically trust them. Especially if the person lies about it

Why would Gura do this, chumbros...?

>>50406026
Not blame Gura per se but taint her animation with bad rep.

>>50430058
Cause she hates indie scum. Based Same.

>Gura's mentioned
Why chumcucks are so fucking defensive about this ? It literally means nothing duh. People will troll the shit out of you if you keep being a little bitch over trivial shit like this

>>50405964
I'm not surprised that you mentioned Gura
I'm actually surprised that HeroHei already did a video about this, and not a single mention of Gura in it (he did show Ren Zotto though)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPBEUzHTESU

>>50431024
Why are you watching HeroHei? No one is gonna click that.

/co/ just deleted a thread I started on this.
Are they really that opposed to Vtuber bullshit that they'll pass up animator drama?
I guess Vtubers are the new Ponies lol.

>>50430916
If it means nothing why include it in the post

>>50433548
Go back

>>50434247
He's just mad you smelled him out rather easily.

>>50415214
import to kemono, anon.

>>50433548
where the fuck have you been the past few years
vtuber unicorns/fujos are the brony fandom of the 2020s era
can't wait to see what replaces us on 2030

>>50434614
I hate that you are correct. But I am stopping at vtubers before the AI GFs. I was born earlier and know a brief time without the accursed internet.

>>50405964

>>50406696
You have never done anything in your entire life, you fucking retard.

>>50406026
Fpwp. It's actually that lazy whore's fault.

>>50409185
>it's another episode of retards thinking that the law is more powerful than a mob

These girls are fucking retarded for even trusting this guy to handle their "lore" videos but besides that it's not a surprise since tonari's full of a bunch of hack scammers anyway.

>>50406531
Hate that bitch anyway

>>50407305
Based scammer

https://twitter.com/Studio_Cell_/status/1663445799135576064?s=20

James and Studio Cell Dropped a twitlonger with "his versions of events"

>>50436867
TLDR'd the statement for people >>50437268

Also in the twitlonger he leaked an unreleased song by bao, a NDA break.

>>50405964
Requesting Pink Wojack edits of the affected chuubas.

>>50437392
it's gonna be so fucking hilarious to see him get sued

>>50407377
>>50407499
I have no idea what a fucking subathon is

>>50438159
it's where a streamer extends their stream duration for every sub they get

>>50438159
It's a twitch specific thing: basically the streamer will Marathon stream with a timer that goes up the more paid subscriptions they get and will stay live streaming until the timer runs out or they cap it.

It's one of the most popular ways for streamers to make fast money on twitch and usually it gives the viewers about a month's worth of content in return.

>>50406782
Absolutely brain broken. You have to shoe horn in your own pet issue when no one here is talking about anything even close to what you are. Actual mental illness, not the meme kind.

>Lmao literally sex mv..
>Should've invest in 3D porn
yeah good one bao

>>50406782
sanest vt poster

>>50405964
They should create their own animation company

Ah women. Ever the geniuses.
I feel bad for them but jesus christ.
>Find out a guy was SOMEHOW related to the company that made guras' animation
>dont look him up at all or do any research, just see his new company and assume he was a top animator
>send him huge sums of money, get nothing, send him more money.
>He wont give the money back.
>This happens to MANY big vtuber girls
>they apparently all warn eachother
>people keep giving him money for nothing and get scammed until bao finally mentions it all on twitter finally? THEN others talk about it
>Man was ready for this because he's a scam artist and has disappeared entirely, no doubt taking his cash and going to the third world. His name probably isn't even real.

They could have hired some retard for like a grand and gotten a really good animation but instead they all want to chase the clout and get some uber famous vtubers animator

What now? Think he will escape entirely? Fuck up something and get caught by authorities? Escape to south america and get killed by a cartel?

>>50439998
He's just some fat fuck in California, you melodramatic nigger.

>>50440113
So? What does that have to do with anything?
I'm saying it's silly circumstances. And that women absolutely cannot deal with money, they just burn it like consumers on their own,

he leaked bao's song, do you rike it?

>>50415210
Jokes aside, why would you do that? You're on 4chan. You don't have to pretend to support a tumblr ideology, nig.

>>50439998
If you follow the news it's pretty clear he's one huge liar
He still using his old Tonari background to lure people in, he also use those botched animation projects as portfolio for his next prey.
Also you think just because they're women then suddenly it's okay for Wick to scam them? That guy is scamming men and women left and right. He even badmouthed Merryweather and his company.
This guy is complete piece of work, but you immediately victim blaming.

>>50406468
He's still living in western world. The law enforcement will bite his ass soon.

>>50407968
Only a handful of streamers get millions
less than 1% even.
You're a fucking idiot

>>50408136
lol I bet you can be easily scammed

>>50440989
Yes I do victim blame.
Doesn't mean I like the guy or want him to evade punishment.
Grifters get what they deserve one way or another femanon.