/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>462975
i feel like she knows a significant amount compared to other holos
that's how we get gems like REARLY_?!, it's jork!, and very danjyarasu

Considering how hard Haachama tries to speak it yet still sounds like she's having a stroke, and just gives you blank stares if an actual English speaker talks to her, probably her.

Judging on pronunciation is probably not accurate though as some Holos actually have surprisingly OK sounding English for their being basically completely unable to speak it (Rushia, Aqua, Ayame etc) whereas Korone has a thick accent but can stumble her way around rudimentary English surprisingly well. Then again Korone had an English coach for a while whereas the others probably just go off whatever tidbits they remember from school.

>>463149
Haachama is faking it.

>>462975
Nene is probably one of the worst at english because she's a dummy overall.

>>463202
Is there any solid proof of this besides that one clip where she talked in her normal voice for 3 seconds, going "does he have a myspace?" Because that still sounded pretty thick and Haachama-ish to me.

>>463149
i am in disbelief how little english haachama knows. how do you study abroad that long and be at that level???
i find it very unlikely she is faking it simply because it doesn't make sense for her to do
if you were a jp and you could effectively collab with the ENs, why the fuck wouldn't you?? they're blowing up and you would simply be missing out on gaijin supers
there is the possibility that she's saving it for some big reveal along the lines of the haato/haachama thing, but Occam's razor says that she simply can't speak english well.

>>463149
nah youre wrong, id say mio/ayame/most of the older gen holos

>>463431
Yeah not being able to speak English really just means you can't really collab with the english girls, there isn't really much plausible deniability for faking it anymore

>>463431
She's collabed with Ina and Amelia and Kiara already though. Her english is good enough to collab with all 5 EN girls just fine.

>>463431
Maybe her exchange programed held her hand

>>463590
i've watched her minecraft collabs on the EN server and i remember it being a struggle both ways
she can communicate stuff with a significant amount of effort but it's definitely not enough to be effective
>t. the pepeloni

>>463149
Korone also has a heavy af accent when speaking jp too, or do you really think "orayo" is the correct pronunciation?

>>463719
From what I recall of the Haachama cooking feat. Kiara, Kiara almost cracked the code to get Haachama to break character and stop pretending to be retarded. Almost.

>>464699
god i wish, anon
it would be nice for us to have an english speaking JPholo other than reddit dragon

>>464800
Don't worry anon. Soon Coco will regress to sub Pikamee levels of english.

>>463243
Tomato juice

>>464699
I'm not 100% lazy, but do you have a timestamp? I watched a part of that and felt like it was business as usual for Chama.

>>465605
Pikamee already uses more english than Coco tho. It's actually really easy to understand all of Pika's streams while Coco does 90% of her content without any english at all.

Miko definitely has the worst english in hololive
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2clw2rAccyU

>>465605
She pretty much has already. Pika makes more grammatical mistakes but is otherwise better at actually conveying things and interacting with the audience.

>>465953
Holy shit Choco somehow fixed that absolute fucking mess, I'm impressed.

>>465953
I feel like pronunciation is Miko's problem

>>463431
She got shunted in to the Asian (chinese) clique and probably didn't get too much exposure to the Anglo grills.

>>465953
I mean, given that the entire reason vtubers even exist at all is because Miko said "nigga" in broken English, it's likely that they told her to keep doing that. That and Miko is not just already retarded, but plays up her stupidity for otakubux.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzcUz3H0lpg

Peko has a tone of progress, she seems to understand spoken English to an extent, she just humiliates herself when typing it.

Peko is one of the few JP holos that could carry an EN collab (she already has with Moona).

>>467563
Even though it's detrimental to her technically I for one hope she never gets the hang of English spelling. It's fucking hilarious since you can just hear her funny accent in your head saying these things. It's typed out like how she talks in English.

>>465953
I love Miko's "o h" of despair after first hearing the sentence.

>>463699
She graduated from her Aussie HS in an ESL program. I'm not sure how many of her classes were with normal English speakers.

>>463431
Haachama never went to Australia (8)

>>462975
That's some pretty impressive "no progress".

>>467651
it's the funniest thing to me too, i think pekora in general is the funniest hololiver partly because of this (and she has good comedic timing)

>>465953
>5:09

>>463431
She barely interacted with people while abroad.

>>467563
>>467651
If she ever gets the hang of it hearing her in English will be some uncanny valley shit.

>>467651
Pekora pumicating an English sentence with yeah always gets me.

>>471723
WTF was the point?

>>480644
So she could get into a JP university with ease.
Though with the money she gets from vtubing I doubt she's gonna even bother applying for uni.

>>466960
How do they communicate if not with English?

the broken english is part if the charm.
would not watch if they all speak perfect english.

Why does basically all of hololive id have almost perfect English yet japs barely have any? Is it just more common in Indonesia?

>>481062
PEARED

>>481216
Almost everyone here in SEA knows even the most basic English. We're more exposed to English content here than in Japan.

>>465953
Her elite English almost got her into a suicide pact with Coco

Shion yo knows almost 0 English.

>>467009
>given that the entire reason vtubers even exist at all
bait

>>466960
didn't she become good friends with a SEAnig classmate?

>>481565
I think her and Gura are still trying to communicate, not sure why but maybe they send memes to each other

>>481216
Years of being colonies to Brits and France

>>462975
Which Hololive is the most xenophobic?

>>462975

>>463431
Lots of English classes focus 90% on reading/writing.

>>482333
Most of ID and JP, especially Koro

>>482333
Shuba and Peko are hardcore ネトウヨ

>>462975
Matsuri
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFK8gzP4TpA

>>464800
Korone is getting there, Marine will too, probably..

>>480644
I went to a private school and it was half full of asians who only came so they could have a prestigious looking foreign school on their record.

>>483088
Based.

>>463431
You would be amazed how some foreigners get by without learning barwly any of the native language. Just nod and smile. Nod and smile..

>>480644
She was bullied and ostracized, both with her original host family and people at school. It's not like she went with the intent to be a loner but she had a rough time there.

>>481863
Well at least from Shion's birthday stream she said she is a fan of Gura and specifically requested a birthday message video. I've not heard if she's mentioned her since then.

>>463431
pretty sure she was near shut-in level while abroad so it would make sense for her to not understand as much

>>465953

>>463431
She was in Australia and its illegal to expect anybody to speak English there.

>>483088
Pekora is obvious but what has Subaru done?

Polka's english sounds like she had a fucking stroke
https://youtu.be/LEP2utHYZ2s

>>481216
>Why does basically all of hololive id have almost perfect English
Moona...

>>485371
Did she ever talk about why the host family treated her like shit? I know she said that they weren't providing meals for her and that their children were ridiculing her.

>>486561
>pekora is learning english from the worst english speaker in ID

>>486598
Because they were bogan cunts, simple as.

>>463288
She isn't faking bad English but she does an exaggerated cutesy voice which makes her sound like she's having a stroke. Occasionally she drops it and sounds more normal.

>>463431
She studied it in school and her program was probably just reading/writing in English. That would explain why she has a really good English vocabulary but gets confused by English phrases and has an easier time reading English than actually speaking and pronouncing it.

Why is english so hard for japs?

>>483725
FBK's overall English comprehension mediocre, but she's got great pronunciation for a nip

>>481216
Indonesians who went to school for a while all speak English fluently. It's similar to India.

>>489767
A mix of their terrible language missing a lot of the sounds English uses, not comprehending how consonants work, and the English people actually speak being vastly different from what little they are taught in school

>>489767
More vowel mixtures.

>>489767
Japanese and English are about as distant from each other linguistically as it's possible to be. Grammar, idiom, vocab, phonology, etc etc are all extremely different. English speakers have the same difficulty learning Japanese.

>>489921
This, plus their Asian school system. Its main purpose seems to be teaching resilience in the face of a mountain of retarded busywork.
You don't learn to read or write a language by mindlessly cramming words mangled into hell with katakana. And you don't learn grammar by cramming stock phrases.
Once they leave school, they can go on with their life, encountering almost no English. Catchphrases in Japanese TV ads and the decorative "English" text they like put on things don't count.
Pretty easy to forget what little they learned in that environment, I guess.

>>490441
You just described my spanish classes here in the US.
They had about the same result.

>>491559
Why would you want to learn Spanish? It's akin to wanting to learn how to bark.

>>491608
t. eop

>>491847
European here, I also hardly see the need for an american to learn spanish, unless they were living near the border or something. It just seems so arbitrary.

>>491847
non-american living in a country bordering a spanish speaking country. Would rather die than learn it.

sneed

>>491917
Spanish is the default secondary language because it's the most prominently spoken second language. When you're in school and you need a language credit, you pick Spanish and coast through for a few years unless you have some sort of burning need to learn another language (90% of the time it's French).

>>491608
>>491967
Spanish is the default language for the mandatory foreign language classes in most American high schools, and often the only one in middle schools. I didn't even know my high school had Italian, French, and Chinese classes available until several months into my freshman year when some other kids I knew mentioned they were taking other languages but I stayed in Spanish anyway since I already knew it and it was an easy grade

>>486165
rio dio

>>492121
sucks that your first language is english already.

>>465953
>>468061
kek, what a perfect comedic scene
>botched pronounciation
>"Beautifully done!"
>that Haachama scream of utter panic as they finish

>>467651
>exiosaiting
>ferees

>>486165
she has that weird habit of dragging some syllabes out way too much, and speaking very nasally, kind of similarily to Miko

>>491917
30% of the US speaks Spanish at home

>>462975
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLRv0b6wJlA

>>482528
I lost all my out of context hololive screenshots feels bad

>>483088
I liked that Papers please stream where Pekora was so impressed at Jorji patriotic speech she wanted to left him in without checking his papers.

>>465953
please tell me that 5:15 is mikos real voice

>>493482
>tfw latino
>parents and extended family all speak perfect spanish
>I cant and never learned cause I lived in a part of the US where theres literally no reason to know spanish

>>462975
Kiara
She is like 99% fluent, but still fucks up at times and because she generally speak english well her mistakes are perceived much more negatively.

>>499372
Thanks for not buying into that latinx shit, anon

>>489648
PEPELONI

>>499461
>that time Polka had to explain what a ringmaster is

>>489921
Just because it's hard for English speakers to learn a certain language doesn't mean it's hard for speakers of that language to learn English.

Japanese is hard because of their utterly retarded writing system and a large degree of context sensitive grammar/expression. English is pretty simple all around, the only issue being that English vocabulary is derived from many different languages, which means it's pointless to try to guess what a word means based on root meanings, and that there's a large degree of variance between word spellings because foreign words for whatever reason never got a native spelling. Those are relatively minor issues compared to how fucking retarded Japanese is on every level.

>>489767
It's not that it's inherently hard for Japs to learn English, but that Japs don't need to know English to live a full life. You encounter similar issues in Europe, where people from minor countries are fluent in English because they encounter English in everyday life, whereas people from large markets often suck at English because all the media they would want to consoom is translated and everything is labelled in their own language. Japan has that issue x10 due to using a retarded script on top of everything being localized.

>>500457
To clarify the second point a bit more: Japanese people never feel a need to really master English, so their English stays at a basic level and the second they graduate from school it drops off a cliff. The exact same thing happened to my French skills, because French is fucking useless and you'll never ever want to use it for anything, let alone need to use it.

Of course everyone would benefit from knowing English, unlike french, which is objectively trash, though a beautiful and elegantly constructed language, because English allows you to leave the stagnant pond of your home culture and open your mind to an endless torrent of fascinating new ideas.

>>493482
No human being speaks Spanish.

>>499729
to be fair with the general trend of circuses no longer being a thing/people getting up in arms about animal mistreatment, I imagine that ringmaster has fallen out of the common parlance, anyways.

>>501054
Onions de México y al chile pinche español está bien culero

>>489767
They're missing so many sounds, like even just the consonants you're missing V, L and R are merged into one, F and Sh feel basically duct-taped onto the language, etc.
That said they could probably still learn to pronounce english easily if they took some time to drill elementary schoolers on the proper tongue/mechanics for pronunciation instead of focusing so much on vocab or whatever

>>465653
Potato Chips

>>501382
honestly even in American schools the more "intelligent" kids for English/reading/writing were taught prefixes/suffixes in latin/greek, since those would give you a far greater understanding of how words are constructed/the meaning of things as a site-read, as opposed to just meaningless rote memorization. And then this was doubly apparent later on since all those kids were several times better at anything concerning words/spelling than their counterparts.

>>499372
Literally me, I can fully understand spoken spanish and read it but my brain 404s whenever I find myself needing to speak it

>>465953
This is the first time in a while I've heard Haachama speak japanese.

>>463098
pardun

>>489805
>India
>fluent
Thank you sir for wonderful video yar I learned very much about liniar algebra matrixes I one day hope I have teacher like sir

>>491559
>>491608
>>491917
>>491967
US Spanish classes are fucking garbage. My school began teaching spanish in elementary school and I stopped junior year of high school. At that point nobody could speak a lick of bean. I only got good through watching a shit ton of random youtube videos, dubbed anime, and lurking hispachan.
Also, I think spanish sounds fucking terrible and I hate spics. Idk why I put in the effort to leran the language to completion. Guess I didn't want to halfass it.

>>501654
Literally me but I'm retarded in English too

>>483725
Man, it's always funny when Japs with the slightest bit of English knowledge treat every other Jap with less skill like a complete retard. No wonder nobody's learning, they wouldn't dare use it at the fear of being ridiculed.

>>465953
Fubuki's voice is love.

I want to hear sheep english

>>502165
weebs do the same shit with japanese, people really think knowing another language means they are built different and not just skilled in something else

>>463149
>>463431
Haachama is playing it up
This isn't the only example, but many are from older streams and archives

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbTizG5bFmA

https://files.catbox.moe/a18pft.webm

>>465953
>suisei says "stop stop stop" in english
>translation says "hold on hold on hold on"

>>465953
>Choco magically understands that complete garbage

How is the succubus not married?

>>465953
real elite posterior destruction

>>499606
You really spend time thinking about that shit?

>>465953
Oh right how could I forget.
Apparently her japanese is hard to understand as well due to her speech impediment.

>>502165
Given the culture of shame over there it's a wonder anyone bothers to try.
You don't get to skip the step of sounding like a retard learning a new language, we just give kids the easy pass because they're young.

>>502360
Holy fuck she even sounds slightly aussie. Incredible.

>>502548
Wasnt she born with like a baby tongue or something?

>>502360
You're shitting me. She actually sounds like a normal person?

>>499372
>be Albanian
>first kid to be born after migrating to Switzerland
>dad always at work
>mom starts working when I'm 3
>brothers at school
>alone almost all the time
>learn German with TV
>learn English with vidya and internet
>never become fluent in Albanian
>family wonders why

>>502714
I didn't watch the stream itself, so I'm not sure if that's her legit voice or a deep voice filter because she doing the voice for her male alter ego red kun

>>502714
I'm amazed people actually believe haachama is incapable of speaking clear english. She leans fucking hard into her accent. She has done board game streams with Ame and explained the rules in clear concise english. She did use her haachama high pitch voice, but she had very little accent. She is actually one of the hardest working and smartest behind the scenes. So it's kind of weird that people think she could barely grasp english.

>>502360
She's practiced that line dozens of times before saying it. You can't compare it to her naturally speaking English.

>>489803
>English people actually speak being vastly different from what little they are taught in school
probably a lot of this. if i didn't already speak english, trying to tell what a brit, aussie, or burger were saying would be impossible. i have no idea what scottish people are saying. i actually understand india's english better than scotts

>>502761
I'd really like to find out what the hell Subaru's voice is with no inflection on it. She has such a weird fucking range, and her latest ASMR discovery leads me to believe she just has no idea what vocal control is, and duck voice is just her being kind of excitable.

>>502784
tons of holos have practiced english lines and the pronunciation has never sounded that good

>>502360
Wtf I don't want to believe this

>>463149
i feel like haachama's ability to interact with chat when chat's speaking english is so far beyond her apparently english speaking ability that she's gotta be faking it

like there's so many streams where she's comfortably reading and playing off of what's going on in chat even if the actual things she's saying are dumb as hell

>>502709
I think most people are born with a baby tongue.

>>502820
>donaruda janai yo!

>>503117
Yeah, but from what I heard, it's still a baby tongue. She sounds like that because her tongue is too short

>>503334
>her tongue is too short
sexy

>>503075
She is pretty clearly a mad genius that knows how to stay in character.

>>462975
Peko actually looks like she would be proficient very fast if she made the effort

>>465953
It's weird, sometimes Miko has a very decent pronunciation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdZ46W_Cekg

>>502813
Scots is its own language.

>>502360
>>463431
When Haachama finally reveals her eigo fluency at 2 million subs this board will collectively have a mental breakdown. Sasuga 1000000 IQ chama

>>463431
foreign students aren't expected to have a great grasp of the language. no fucking clue how she got through writing English exams, but besides those she'd be fine with Korone-level English.
and between her chuuba-voice and how hard it is to go from conversational to fluent in a
language, it wouldn't be surprising if her English still sounds a bit crap to a native speaker
t. Australian who had Japanese students at his school

>>465953
Listening to her say that at 6:00 probably make my entire week desu

>>506544
From the videos I've seen she is well above korone english.

>>501828
i am a spic and i don't like spanish either
sounds guttural and irritating. The romance languages closer to Latin sound far more beautiful and lyrical

>>486165
I didn't understand a word of that and I wish Polka a very pleasant getting better at english.
>>465953
The Luna earrape at 8:05 makes it.

Miko is impossibly bad at english

>>463431
>how do you study abroad that long and be at that level???
Ahahaha oh nonono
Exchange students in Australia don't need to know english. I have done some assistant positions at my uni when I was studying and there was legitimatley chinese students who knew maybe 5 english words maximum, handed in the worst papers I had ever seen and somehow still pass, because the university gets to charge them four times the tuition fees of an Australian and will try to pass them to keep them paying.

>>508085
faq men

>>507070
>sounds guttural and irritating. The romance languages closer to Latin sound far more beautiful and lyrical
at least you're not french

Marine is up there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXhGIMt65gI&t=730s&ab_channel=birdkun21

When will we have Elite English again bros....

>>508085
At speaking in general. Can't decide if it's cute or annoying.

>>508085
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9aCoejYQvI&ab_channel=%E3%83%AA%E3%83%8E%E3%82%A2

CHEETOS

>>462975

Is there a 2ch equivalent of this meme?

>>489767
I've had a couple of friends who were JET and they said that the way the teach pronunciation over there is terrible. Rather than try to teach correct pronunciation, they just half ass it and try to approximate every word in katakana. This leads to all kinds of extra vowels and syllables that aren't present in the english word. Also for some reason teenagers get really self conscious about actually trying to pronounce things properly. So they'd rather say コーヒー than coffee even though the two barely sound the same superficially.

>>501828
That surprises me because my high school spanish was really good. By Junior year we weren't allowed to speak in English in class and we were reading (simple) novels and shit.

>>510126
Marine can kind of get her point across most of the time

>>510126
Marine has gotten a lot better recently

>>500457
Your entire post is retarded garbage and you should fuck off back to whichever reddit hole you crawled out of. Look up the concept of "linguistic distance" and then never post on this board again.

>>502782
Midwits can't recognise when someone is smarter than them, it's one of the fundamental conditions of midwittery

>>502209
She has such a beautiful genki voice tone, it's really cute and endearing.

>baby tongue miko
How does that even work

>>467563
Pardun?

>>463288
Someone posted a RFA clip from long ago where her English was fine. Either she's seriously regressed or she's faking it.

>>522223
I knew a Japanese girl online who started off near-fluent but slid more and more into formal language and constructs like "<statement>, it is such a feeling" over time. There were also times where she seemed to join in on jokes but admitted she didn't actually understand them.

>>481216
It is pretty well known that Japan's english education is trash and I really mean it

Is Subaru faking it. I mean, studied in Canada. Why is she still so awful.

>>524032
It seems like she can read English pretty decently, just not speak it. Her studying abroad was probably just for a few months anyway.

>>465953
>Choco completely fixed this mess
how

>>524932
Context.

>>465953
Polka's is pretty bad too though, maybe not quite Miko tier but similarly will just blur up words into a mush.

https://youtu.be/674vacHP_Po?t=132

>>510190
This was one of the best Coco streams ever, I really don't know why she didn't do more of these.

>>524032
Canada tends to be something your repress as quickly as possible, even when it isn't as bad as Subaru's stay in Canada.

>>462975
All of them except for coco and haato. None of them were serious about their english reps.