/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>50167916
who?

>>50167916
If some faggot corpo pulled this "ummm you're not allowed to stream oopsie woopsie!" shit on me I'd just say kek ok then I won't stream and force graduation on the spot
Whoza Coattail should grow a pair and do this, it'd be funny, say goodbye to your $1.74 in monthly superchat money, lucid!

>>50167916
Clear and effective. Anycolor should hire these people in management.

>Virsona

I know this chuuba and small corpo. The corpo styles itself as the ultimate talent freedom corpo, where the talents own everything, yada-yada blah. Anyway, probably has to do with Veibae.
https://twitter.com/Gini_Mercury/status/1661105058140790796

>>50168060
why not just say fuck you and stream anyway if you want to get fired, it's better for your fans and you'd do more damage to the corpo

>>50167916
>Appeasing to the Twitter moral police.
Lucid is digging their own grave with that one

>>50167916
>Ten (10)
Jesus christ first time I hear about them, and they're a bunch of faggots.

>>50168309
Indeed, it should have been 10 (ten) instead, in true /sp/ fashion.

>>50168291
They're not appeasing anyone. There genuinely is an upswell against the use of the word retard and there's a genuine growing voice to make it as taboo as faggot. Now all it takes is for Twitch or one of the other Big Tech companies dropping the hammer on the word and boom, it's done, which is really only a matter of time.

>>50168160
Rrats are lucid bought her model as she was the only one from the failed NFT company that stuck around with their existing model. The other two rebranded.

>>50167916
BOUNDLESS FREEDOM

>>50167916
maybe she should focus more on vtubing and less on twitter culture war garbage perpetuated by twitch whores and twitter trannies

>>50167916
Did they email everyone in their address book with this statement like they did with the vtuber audition rejection letter?

>>50168152
Probably wishing she applied to phase connect like koa did. Gen 3 by the way.

>>50168583
retard

>>50167916
I have no fucking idea who these retards are and no one cares too

>>50168710
ywnbaw

I remember this girl, when Pippa did her fake FlaVR corpo one of the girls had short red hair like her so people told her and she showed up in chat and had a short exchange with Pippa.
She showed up on Pippa's chat a few more times.

>>50169030
Used to be 4vlive and they hired one of the havenx girls. This is said girl. If they fired her, they'd nuke her like PC did with Yuri.

>50169129
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>>50167916
This is literally in lucid's about page on their official website
>We believe that artists affiliated with a company should have the right to radical freedom of speech

>>50169161
?????
You explained literally nothing

>>50167916
>look into it
>another /pol/tard tried to bring /pol/tardedness into VTubing and got smacked down by her corpo
Good. On 4chan you're all safe and anonymous, but in the real world, nobody's obligated to put up with your bullshit. You're quickly going to find out that the vast majority of VTubers are not, in fact, "just like you."

>>50169274
Everyone should just post that in reply to the suspension post.

>>50169330
retard

>>50169286
roza coatl was part of a small corpo called Haven X. the corpo went bust within a year when Roza suddenly left and the remaining talents grumbled with cryptic vagueposts. turned out that Haven X was pushing NFTs and was going to require the talents to sell them. Roza was friends with the manager of 4live. said manager negotiated with Haven X to buy the character IP, so she redebuted as Roza with 4live. 4live rebranded into lucid.

>>50168068
This is pretty much exactly as clear as Anycolor initially was about the Zaion thing. She made the rape "joke", the very next day they announced she was suspended for inappropriate comments. It was easy to connect the dots and obvious what she had been suspended for.
It was only a month later, in the termination announcement, that they muddied the waters with a bunch of other extraneous bullshit. Something clearly went wrong during the suspension because the way they handled it at the start was just right.

>>50169496
naruhodo
thank fuck these cryptobros bubble microcorpo are dying

>>50169330
retard

>>50169535
what went wrong during the suspension is that zaion refused to do the usual apologies and promises to not make such comments again, and she alienated herself with no influential talent backing her corner

>>50169330
You have no idea how many people feel a certain way if anyone expressing those opinions gets censored. When twitter came under new management and suddenly people weren't censored so much suddenly people became very outspoken and said things they never dared before.
People didn't change at all, they were already there. They were just able to speak more freely.
Meanwhile other places like reddit still under heavy censorship devolve into echo chambers. If you only looked there you'd think everyone thinks the same way.
You don't know what the majority of people believe because they are not able to speak freely and you don't care what they believe because you don't want them to be free, you only want people to say what you approve.

>>50169772
ok chud

>>50169274
So another western double standard moment?

veibae leaves in her wake a trail of death and destruction...

>>50168135
sounds better than Vstreamer, at least

>>50168566
of artistic expression
read nigger read
doesn't say freedom of political expression

>>50169330
What did she say?

>>50170257
Vtubing content is all art.

>>50170257
I'd like to artistically express that you're a retard.

>>50169330
She keeps doing inflammatory takes, trying to be another poltard grifter like Pippa.
Dime a dozen Vtweeteer, has a nice voice and streaming personality get co-opted by this weird political bs shill she keeps doing on Twitter.

Look around and her Genmates and inner circle are also trying to push “Infowars” tier nonsense into Vtubing. Expanding into the western market was a mistake, these fucks inject corn syrup into their veins and eat paste.

>>50170535
ok, make a drawing

>>50170693
What's your opinion on NijiEN members openly supporting pride month and trans rights and refusing to play Hogwarts Legacy?

>>50170817
Don't forget HoloEN

>>50170817
I hate them too.
I hate all these fucks that can’t separate the real world from their freakin character.
Why not just spit in the artist and character designers faces, imagine them slaving away to have you act like the same E-thot chud you always do.

>>50170815
Writing is art.

>>50170849
HoloEN didn't encourage pride month art on stream and retweeted it and they haven't said trans rights on stream.
>>50170865
Fair enough, you are consistent and not taking sides.

>>50170439
https://twitter.com/Gini_Mercury/status/1660971768624840705?s=20

Tweets are all still up, nothing has been yeeted. She just finished a very successful donothon so this looks to me like a public slap on the wrist.

>>50170924
> successful donothon
Every fucking time

>>50170084
retardgate and its consequences have been a disaster for the vtweeter race

It looks like Roza is by far their biggest member. Given what they "embrace", this is so retarded it's funny. Before looking forward at what their company values, they may want to first look backwards.

>>50171767
>>50170924
>>50170693
I'm going to guess they didn't like seeing them go in this direction but they don't want to fire them all or make them quit yet so they are trying to course correct them with some disciplinary measure.

>>50170257
https://www.welcometolucid.com/about
>lucid Multimedia is a US-based virtual entertainment talent agency that offers VTubers and digital content creators a dynamic platform to unleash their full creative potential. By championing the boundless freedom of artistic expression, we strive to transform dreams into reality, enrich lives, and create positive, impactful experiences.
>lucid Multimedia's mission is to democratize the business of the entertainment industry for content creators. We believe that artists affiliated with a company should have the right to radical freedom of speech and access to ethical business support
>>radical freedom of speech
I'd make le funny compilation of their about page, this suspension notice, and chuuba's very mild and reasonable take on the retard debacle, but I quite frankly don't care enough about this company.

>>50167916
didn't she go to 4VLive?

>>50171984
Ok, I concede, you win.

>>50170059
Freedom of speech =/= freedom from consequences.

>>50172125(me)
nevermind that is 4VLive they just rebranded apparently

>>50171984
ok the radical freedom of speech is a little silly

>>50172227
retard

>>50172377
maybe it means radical like late 90s/early 00's radical

>>50172377
>>50172405
radical as in "only what I (the company head) agree with"

>We believe that artists affiliated with a company should have the right to radical freedom of speech
Why put this on your website and then contradict it this blatantly. At least edit it to make it more vague before suspending your livers.

>>50172593
It's so their talents can say trans rights

>>50172405
just funny to even try to make that your company branding or values
doesn't help you have a talent posting stuff that she can just make an alt account if she's even the slightest bit worried of some pushback

>>50167916
That's nice.. what's Lucid though? Who are they? If they are obscure even on /vt/ I don't think they amount to much.

>>50172623
That wouldn't require such a radical statement, just something generic like "talent freedom" or something more specific like "artistic expression" which they use in their twitter bio.

>>50169772
>People didn't change at all, they were already there
This.

There is no biological/physiological brain anatomy reason to believe that this thing society leans on with policing opinions by just trying to shun people to death actually-works. I don't think it does. Does a person stop being racist for real if they are simply threatened to stop or else loose their status in society? It doesn't actually teach them why not to or convince them not to. It's just a big ass fucking bandaid and forcing people to stuff their closets full of skeletons, it doesn't -actually- fix jack shit. The sooner people just accept this the better as we'll never get over it if we act like people like or accept being ruled via collective bullying in the name of righteousness. I wish there was some magic formula I could say or do to actually change peoples' minds on these things but you can't, at least not just by shunning or threatening them not to.

>>50172691
All I know about Lucid is the old HavenX manager who seemed to be the only good staff there followed Roza to Lucid.
And they have Boomi who is pretty seggs

>>50173047
we need more tan chuubas

>>50172789
>There is no biological/physiological brain anatomy reason to believe that this thing society leans on with policing opinions by just trying to shun people to death actually-works. I don't think it does. Does a person stop being racist for real if they are simply threatened to stop or else loose their status in society?
It works over longer periods of time because newer generations will mostly see the mix of opinions they encounter out in the open as normal, and their parents will mostly try to raise them in a way that prevents them from becoming social outcasts.

>>50172789
But that's how various religions endured for centuries or millenia in some regions without being seriously questioned. I don't think they would have lasted as long if they just accepted people having a different opinion on theology and morals.
This isn't a new phenomenon, discouraging public dissent is something humanity has relied on ever since societies were a thing. Ultimately it's not about changing people's minds, it's about making them behave in a way that benefits you. A catholic priest in 1023 and a tranny in 2023 would prefer it if everyone bought into their ideology of course, but the central important minimum goal to achieve is that everybody acts like they accept it. Thoughts that do not get (or barely get) acted on don't matter to other people.

>>50168488
imagine being a chemist or an Airbus pilot and suddenly everyone thinks one of your profession's terms is a banned word.

>>50168488
I could swear twitch made retard a banworthy word years ago. Am I just misremembering?

>>50168488
>There genuinely is an upswell against the use of the word retard
No there isn't you retarded faggot just more people bemoaning "think of the unfortunate".

Who and who

>>50173883
That's been a thing in medicine for a long while now. It's a feature of languages that evolve alongside societies.

>>50173950
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnmpIUw8WEs&ab_channel=Pepegaclips
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geXRdJQM0EI&ab_channel=DailyDoseOfClips
You can live in your delusional bubble if you want. I really don't give a shit.

>>50172691
>even on /vt/
>95% of the threads are about the big 3

Outside of Vshojo, Holo or Niji, every single thread that isn't a small corpo general or /lig/ you get lots of people asking "literally who"

At this point even Reddit knows more about other vtubers than /vt/

>>50174048
retarded takes.

>>50174275
that's largely because r/virtualyoutubers is 99.9% self-promotion from literal whos (even by regular "literally who" standards)

>>50174300
Okay? Between just the two of them, they have hundreds of thousands of zoomers watching them every day. Over the years a bunch of high 4views and 5views are cutting retard out of their vocab. You're not stopping the tide.

>>50174048
lol, lmao even. I'm not watching some busybody queer try and moralize to me about how the downies feel so bad when you call them retarded.

>>50173212
/choc/ needs to expand.

>>50167916
>Small EN corpos
not even once

Reminder that the R-word is NOT ACCEPTABLE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T549VoLca_Q

>burgers forgetting that freedom of speech only applies to the us government not private companies

>>50167916
this is the most literal who I've felt in my life.

>>50168545
Wait, did they finally rebrand? I was trying to look for Koa's alt for months to no avail

>>50167916
>Suspended for 10 (ten) days

>>50173918
No, flesh streamers say it a lot. The problem is that at the midget corpo level, contacts are very important and that’s basically where all the LGBTQ+ vtubers are, at the low 2view end of the spectrum or vtweeters. They have no power cancelling anyone above a few hundred viewers though.
They tried getting Vei cancelled on LSF but got told that this was the most non-issue lame shit and attacked the vtweeters instead.

>>50169330
>seething on Roza
faggot.

>>50169330
This, but unironically. It’s easy to be terminally online loser spouting slurs on an anonymous forum but nobody puts up with that shit IRL. I don’t think there’s any context where saying retarded to somebody wouldn’t get your face caved in. Even doctors don’t use that word nowadays.

>>50168650
ARE YOU FOR REAL? PLEASE I TELL ME YOU'RE TELLING THE TRUTH I MISS KOA SO MUCH ANON

>>50177754
It's their fucking company policy, retard.

>>50183326
Anon is full of shit. Koa has expressed multiple times since HavenX dissolved that she has no interest in returning to this space.

>>50167916
Was she any good?

>>50170924
>donothon
Oh no no no. Hope you Rozanites or whatever you call yourselves are ready to get KEKED soon

>>50167916
>Roza
I've seen this chuuba as a mod in a few of my chuubas' chats but I've never seen her stream or what she even looks like.

>>50177754
Problem is when the companies do the bidding of the government as a go between. Like when Bank of America gave the Feds all their accountholder's transaction data during Jan 5-7th in and around DC. Shit happens regularly with ISPs and phone providers as well.

Imagine thinking your limpdicked "anti-retard" crusade will matter at the same time that Bud Light/Anheuser-Busch are at risk of going under because of right-wing boycotts. You fags gonna learn real soon that no one outside Twitter supports your faggotry. The pendulum is already swinging back.
It'll be incredibly obvious in Vtubing as well soon enough. Twitterfags don't watch streams. They don't buy memberships. They don't buy merch.
Papa John's reckoning is upon us.

>>50174048
Mizkif and XQC clips from 2 years ago are your fucking source for the way society is going???? Anon, you need a grass injection directly into your veins to get rid of that twitch addiction brainrot you got right there.

Just educate yourself

>>50174048
Fuck you retarded nigger

Maybe it's a regional thing but retard has been taboo to say for like 15 years. It's been a weird you only say around friends just like faggot.

>>50168152
I mean, I guess she's right. But trying to morally justify using "retarded" is the wrong way to go about it, because it basically implies that we shouldn't be allowed to use words that aren't morally justified.
The correct approach is to say "Yes, 'retarded' is offensive, but I'm gonna use it anyway cuz fuck you and fuck your nagging and your moralizing and your policing of speech. I do what I want, faggot."

>>50187205
That would be true if the donothon reward goals were GFE things. But she's extremely anti-GFE and many of the donothon rewards have already been done. the big goal that she reached was a 2.0 model.

>>50168488
>which is really only a matter of time
Idk. In this case, the ones in favor of free speech actually have more power and influence.
Nyanners, Veibae, and Silvervale, not to mention all the flesh streamers at Mystic are among the largest streamers on Twitch. Pissing them off would harm Twitch more than pissing off a bunch of random 2views and VTweeters.
It's only gonna get banned if the VTweeters stick to their guns, while Vei and company roll over.

>>50189560
She hates woke culture but she's not an idiot and she wants to stay as Roza, not constantly have to reincarnate every 6 months

You would think after the money Hogwarts Legacy made companies would realize twitter isn't real

>>50191872
Sorry, Lucid have to pander to Marina or he'll cancel them like he tried to do with pikamee.

>>50170257
Artistic and political expression are the same thing.

>>50192277
Who decides what is and isn't political?

>>50194078
Everything is political, sweetie.

>>50189560
>I mean

>>50169330
dumb retard post

>>50192268
isn't this the incredibly mentally ill vtweeter?

>>50169130
She still does occasionally, I think she even collabed with one of the flavor members, probably sena

>>50183078
that's retarded.

>>50168650
phase doesn't have freedom from censorship. They aren't allowed to talk about politics, religion, taiwan, ETC. and still get reprimanded for anything that could cause an outrage. Yes, Pippa is exempt. Anyone else who speaks about that stuff gets "bonked" frequently, you just don't see it, but watch enough streams and you see it happening. There's censoring shit going on right now im sure of it. But I support talent over comp.

>>50198767
>They aren't allowed to talk about politics, religion, taiwan
>laughs in Lumi

>>50199292
And Lumi always is getting in trouble with management. She's able to keep her position though because she brings in enough #s and $$

>>50198767
Lumi seems to get away with quite a lot too.
I think it's a situation where the official policy is to avoid controversy, but Sakana is a laid-back boss, so the only "bonks" they get is an exasperated "please don't do that again". And then they do it again anyway.

>>50167916
So what would be the RIGHT TIME for her to express her opinions?

>>50199405
I promise you this applies to only specific members of the company. Others have received much harsher punishment.

>>50199398
>And Lumi always is getting in trouble with management.
dyrbi

>>50173883
They changed master and slave terms in coding lol

>>50199480
She sure talks about it a lot

>>50167916
thread alive for so long and not a single anon posted an image of the person in question.

https://www.twitch.tv/kirsche is about to talk about the Lucid / Roza retardgate drama

>>50199868
Didn't expect someone with common sense

>>50194251
Did you read the rest of my comment? lmao

Freedom of speech, not freedom from consequences.

>>50199405
>laid-back boss
No, he just doesn't have a spine.
Yell at him hard enough he he backs down.

>>50167916
Based on their twitter this is a very obscure vtuber company, isn't it?
Most of it's tweets have 1 to 0 replies, literally unknown.
This would be a great chance for the vtuber involved to jump ship to another company since this is getting her publicity (it seems in average her streams are less than 1k).

Why would she stay in a crappy company that has 0 clout and will vow to any perpetually offended SJW?

>>50200242
they're only consequences because you want them to be.

>>50167916 (OP)
Based on their twitter this is a very obscure vtuber company, isn't it?
Most of it's tweets have 1 to 0 replies, literally unknown.
This would be a great chance for the vtuber involved to jump ship to another company since this is getting her publicity (it seems in average her streams are less than 1k views).

Why would she stay in a crappy company that has 0 clout and will vow to any perpetually offended SJW?

>>50192268
This subhuman has a very punchable everything.