/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

GRIM

*GENERAL NUMBERFAG SITES*
>https://playboard.co/en/
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://vrabi.net/
>https://www.vstats.jp
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/vtuber-ranking

Hololive sites
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html
>https://trackholo.live/en/
>https://www.hololive-songs.com/

Nijisanji sites
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings
>https://twitter.com/2434subscriber
>https://www.nijiuta.com/

Twitch
>https://sullygnome.com/
>https://twitchtracker.com/
>https://stats.roki.sh/

Full list at https://pastebin.com/nCGZL1Lp

Somebody release a new gen or fire someone! C'mon, do it!

Bae gold today? She is inclining

>>50090822
Recent clip numbers
>>50051685
>>50051706
>>50051745
>>50051776
>>50051801

Not-Mori about to surpass her hype train record level.

Spanish-language VTuber channel Chuuymine is growing at 10k subscribers a day and is almost in the top 10.
It has mainly full-length videos on it, and it was made as a new VTuber channel from the start, so it definitely counts.

>>50090802
Why didn't they get Miori then? Cover get praised for getting good female vtubers but they kinda missed the mark on Council.

>>50091071
Miori will never join unless she gets to keep her model.

>>50091012
Neat, what's the average CCV of their streams?

* YESTERDAY’S FINAL TALLY *
>50,059: Miko (Hololive)
>45,486: Asahina Akane (Nijisanji)
>32,441: Salome (Nijisanji)
>31,732: Chiroru (Indie)
>29,376: Pekora (Hololive)
>20,513: Subaru (Hololive)
>20,464: Suisei (Hololive)
>18,220: Towa (Hololive)
>17,253: Fubuki (Hololive)
>16,436: Laplus (Hololive)
>16,186: Mio (Hololive)
>15,761: NeruMero (Indie)
>14,469: Shigure Ui (Indie)
>13,992: Kanata (Hololive)
>13,385: Kizuku (Nijisanji)
>13,117: Nui (Nijisanji)
>12,625: Met (VSPO)
>11,547: Ibrahim (Nijisanji)
>10,303: VSPO (VSPO)

>Bae does not look at all into what game she's playing
>Too fucking zoomer to handle the game
Jesus christ

>>50091071
Speaking of Miori, she did a cover with Aruvn our supposed NijiEN leaker like 5 months ago.

>>50091071
Miori owns her character. You know Cover's autism about that.

>>50091071
Cover doesn't do Suisei style recruits anymore. Unless Miori decides to retire the Miori persona she's not getting into hololive

>>50091125
>MAY 2023 GOLDS
1) Miko (Hololive) - 58,764 - Clubhouse 51 w/ Nene
2) Miko (Hololive) - 117,536 - Collab w/ Suisei, Aqua, Towa, Subaru, Botan
3) Pekora (Hololive) - 82,868 - Reverse Totsumachi Endurance (w/ Marine)
4) Koyori (Hololive) - 63,666 - 24 Hour Stream
5) Marine (Hololive) - 80,623 - Fashion Showdown (w/ Aqua, Okayu, Mio, Lamy)
6) Pekora (Hololive) - 110,996 - Mario Maker Tournament
7) Marine (Hololive) - 51,152 - Super Mario Maker 2
8) Marine (Hololive) - 53,933 - Idol Showdown
9) Miko (Hololive) - 41,419 - Idol Showdown
10) Miko (Hololive) - 56,389 - Getting Over It (w/ Kanata and Polka)
11) Miko (Hololive) - 36,617 - TTS Story Time
12) Hibari (Nijisanji) - 111,013 - 3D Debut
13) Mel (Hololive) - 58,589 - 5th Anniversary 3D Live
14) Pekora (Hololive) - 42,892 - Minecraft 1.20
15) Subaru (Hololive) - 52,757 - Marshmallow Reading + Announcement
16) Pekora (Hololive) - 49,970 - Chat GPT
17) Subaru (Hololive) - 81,111 - Sausage Legend Competition
18) Chloe (Hololive) - 94,193 - Birthday 3D Live
19) Towa (Hololive) - 82,943 - God Field Tournament
20) Pekora (Hololive) - 44,748 - Minecraft
21) Pekora (Hololive) - 38,131 - I'm on Observation Duty 5
22) Nose (VSPO) - 136,222 - 3D Debut
23) Subaru (Hololive) - 86,363 - Outfit Reveal
24) Miko (Hololive) - 56,059 - Minecraft

> PER COMPANY
22x: Hololive
1x: Nijisanji, VSPO

> PER STREAMER
6x: Miko, Pekora
3x: Marine, Subaru
1x: Chloe, Hibari, Koyori, Mel, Nose, Towa

> 2023 GOLDS
> PER COMPANY
111x: Hololive
23x: Nijisanji
4x: Indie, Neo Porte
2x: VSPO

> PER STREAMER
41x: Pekora
14x: Miko
13x: Marine
7x: Subaru
6x: Toya
4x: Hal
3x: Hololive, Kuzuha, Mio, Okayu, Suisei, Koyori, Towa
2x: Chiroru, Iroha, Lamy, Nerumero, Nijisanji, Salome
1x: Aqua, Ayame, Chloe, Choco, Fuwa, Gaku, Gura, Hibari, Himawari, Hinano, Ina, Kanata, Kiara, Korone, Mel, Mito, Mori, Nose, Nozomi, Polka, Ponto, Roco, Ryushen, Shion, Watame, Yashiro

>>50091113
90% of her content seems to be drunk zatsu so no big loss

>>50090822
>First Army anchor post
https://poal.me/4nbwrw

*YESTERDAY’S FINAL EN TALLY*

>5/24 DAILY TALLY
9,914: Kronii (Hololive)
6,334: Baelz (Hololive)


>EN GOLDS FOR MAY 2023
1) IRyS (Hololive) - 9,139 - Super Mario Maker
2) Fauna (Hololive) - 13,573 - ASMR Offcollab (w/ Kronii)
3) Luca (Nijisanji) - 9,264 - NijiEN Dating Show (w/ Uki, Alban, Vox, Ren, Kyo)
4) IRyS (Hololive) - 7,445 - Super Smash Bros.
5) Gura (Hololive) - 13,811 - Bramble The Mountain King
6) Mumei (Hololive) - 17,981 - Council Uno Collab
7) Amelia (Hololive) - 8,418 - Unarchived Karaoke
8) Fauna (Hololive) - 7,622 - Super Mario Maker 2
9) Fauna (Hololive) - 10,140 - Minecraft
10) IRyS (Hololive) - 10,985 - Karaoke
11) Mori (Hololive) - 10,635 - Idol Showdown (w/ Ina)
12) IRyS (Hololive) - 8,656 - Super Smash Bros. (w/ Kronii)
13) Vox (Nijisanji) - 8,884 - Unarchived Karaoke
14) Kiara (Hololive) - 9,114 - Pikuniku (w/ Gura)
15) IRyS (Hololive) - 7,493 - CHADcast
16) Finana (Nijisanji) - 6,991 - Unarchived Karaoke (w/ Pomu & Elira)
17) Mumei (Hololive) - 8,197 - Valkyrie Connect (w/ Kronii)
18) Mori (Hololive) - 12,008 - Drinking Offcollab (w/ Subaru & Botan)
19) Mori (Hololive) - 11,130 - TTRPG (w/ Kronii, Magni, Vesper)
20) Mori (Hololive) - 10,629 - TTRPG (w/ Kronii, Magni, Vesper)
21) Ina (Hololive) - 18,722 - Birthday Stream
22) Baelz (Hololive) - 7,457 - Unarchived Karaoke
23) Baelz (Hololive) - 16,717 - Genital Jousting
24) Kronii (Hololive) - 9,914 - Minecraft

>PER COMPANY
21x: Hololive
3x: Nijisanji

>PER STREAMER
5x: IRyS
4x: Mori
3x: Fauna
2x: Mumei, Baelz
1x: Luca, Gura, Amelia, Vox, Kiara, Finana, Ina, Kronii

>POINTS PER STREAMER (gold = 5pts, silver = 3pts, bronze = 1pt)
37p: IRyS
31p: Mori
22p: Fauna
20p: Mumei, Ina
18p: Baelz
12p: Kiara
8p: Shu
6p: Amelia
5p: Luca, Gura, Vox, Finana, Kronii
3p: Elira
2p: Bettel
1p: Ike, Pomu

>>50091012
>Spanish
Is he even earning enough to feed himself?
>>50091116
Probably 5view, these fucks get a lot of viewers

>>50091184
It's not just cover's autism, it's a general industry autism. Having split control of an ip introduces alot of headaches when it comes to promotions and merchandising so it's only expedient not to deal with that if you have the option to

>>50091012
why can't hispanohablante vtubers look normal, they all look like fucked up baby aliens

>>50091309
>2023 EN GOLDS
>PER COMPANY
105x: Hololive
37x: Nijisanji
2x: Holostars

>PER STREAMER
16x: Mori
14x: IRyS
12x: Fauna
11x: Baelz
10x: Gura, Mumei
9x: Ina
8x: Amelia, Vox, Kronii
6x: Kiara
5x: Mysta
4x: Selen
3x: Pomu, Shu
2x: Luca, Finana
1x: Ike, Flayon, Alban, Elira, Luxiem, Millie, Regis, Enna, Rosemi, Hololive English, Ren, Sonny, Fulgur

>2023 POINTS PER STREAMER (gold = 5pts, silver = 3pts, bronze = 1pt)
134p: Fauna
114p: IRyS, Mori
103p: Ina
98p: Mumei
97p: Baelz
69p: Vox
61p: Amelia
60p: Kiara
53p: Mysta
52p: Kronii
50p: Gura
43p: Luca
31p: Selen
26p: Shu
17p: Pomu
13p: Finana
11p: Uki, Axel, Sonny, Ike
10p: Elira
9p: Millie, Enna, Fulgur
7p: Regis
6p: Rosemi, Ren
5p: Flayon, Alban, Luxiem, Hololive English
4p: Vesper
3p: Hakka, Magni, Kotoka, Bettel
1p: Meloco, Shinri, Maria, Pippa, Nina

>>50091012
HOLOES WHEN YAGOO?

>>50091184
It's not really autism to want to own the IP. Miori's not some fantastic catch that she's worth it.
they'd make a deal for the right person, like say, Ado.

>>50091292
What, no Kanata?

>>50091012
filiankeks?

guys, how can i watch fauna again, ive lost all interest, she was the only one keeping me attached to hololiveEN

>>50091501
move on

>>50091501
Listen to her ASMR stream today and stroke your dick to it. that's the easiest way to get back.

>>50091501
EN3. Say goodbye to all your old oshis. The new ones need all the love.

>>50091501
Just open her Minecraft stream, maybe watch some JP clips of them talking about her

>>50091012
Interesting, their doing the classic Kizuna Ai style of edited / curated content instead of mostly Livestreaming?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7Bso1UgUfc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7Bso1UgUfc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7Bso1UgUfc
GOLD

>Flattening below 3.5k with a singular concurrent stream
There’s the Bae we all know and love. Ame wishes she could get these kinds of overlap results

>>50091775
Oh actual gold.

>>50091116

>>50091775
>8:00 PM China Standard Time
"Nijisanji English"

>>50091775
Will this beat Kronii/Fauna's off collab ASMR?

>>50091501
Don't. If you lost interest in Fauna, you don't deserve to call yourself a sapling.

>>50091012
A new strategy for convert?

>>50091850
Should be. Ike brings in tourist for some reason.

>>50091877
he's not a convert tho

>>50091501
learn japanese
https://files.catbox.moe/gonwis.ogg

>>50091877
To be fair Cookie more than double her subs since her conversion while being more of a chuuba than most of twitch chuubas are, she could barely be considered convert nowadays

>>50080321
>>50080984
Kek

>>50091826
Wow... that's a real... mighty... fucking LMAO.

>>50091993
Aaaaand she's right back to 3-4k ccv. The tourists stayed for 2 streams lol.

>>50091501
Why

>>50091881
On karaoke.
Otherwise he’s the midget of Luxiem.

>>50091501
You switch to Lia like several Saplings have

>>50092151
>Lia

>>50092035
What'd you expect from a shorts spammer?

>>50091987
Cookie was around 14.5M(04/2022) when she had her vtuber debut.

>>50092151
Is that the phase girl that cucked her paypigs while she was supposed to be doing donothon incentives for them?

>episode delayed because of production issues
>arima kana drama
>hana kimura drama
May hasnt been a great month for Oshi no ko, akatsukifag response?

>>50092180
>>50092238
Ex-Saplings are known for being retarded

>>50091501
I think the same too but that's because I keep forcing myself to do reps for this shitty general when nothing ever changes. so focus your reps on something else for now, close this board and make your own conclusion while watching some vods perhaps.
when EN3 arrives you can make your choice then

Have we talked about this yet?

I'm surprised people still bait with Luxiem

>>50092304
Fake, it's AI art, look at both thumbs

>>50092304

>>50092304
What's this? Something claiming to be a "leak" for a future liver model?

>>50092365
>>50092385
Supposedly aruvn was one of the picks for the nijien gamer wave, so he "graduated" a few months back only to come back yesterday, abruptly ungraduate himself and leaked a bunch of shit

>>50092281
Qrd?

typical Luxiem ""schedule""

>>50091791
eh i finds this strange trend of:
>Ame moving her timeslot to some underutilized day/hour
>suddenly 1-2 weeks later, everyone happens to overlap her intensely with collab and special streams, even ones from the outside of the slot
What's that?

>>50092351
And this is how you know it's real when the niji defence force leaps up to damage control it

>Check Cookie channel since people are talking about her
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2jE-Ci2wSA
>These comments
S-sugoi...
Is this the real goal of hololive?

>>50091987
Yeah keep vending the convert rule

>>50092467
>Outlast collab
So it's offcollab asmr vs outlast collab for gold

>>50091433
>What, no Kanata?
People can have different opinions. But keep your opinion to yourself and enjoy mine. (Cover guidelines)
Jk will add Kanata to poll next thread if I’m present

>>50091993
It wasn’t falseflaggers the other day?

>>50092493
What sort of Lamy is CookieSwirl?

>>50092481
>any comment I don't like is "niji defense force"

>>50092281
That's what happen when you try to mess with Idol God

>>50092304
Really, a possible leak from nijisanji and nobody gives a shit?

>>50092151
stop this falseflag faggot you were shitposting this last week

>>50092576
shotacon lamy

Long day today only got to skim a few threads where did this theory that girls quit holoen before debut come from

>>50092576
Watching any of her videos makes me harder than anything Zeta or Fauna ever did
She's the Lamy that promotes good tastes in future generations

>>50092351
nijicope

>>50092281
>episode delayed because of production issues
They didnt mention production issue, it's most likely a timeslot thing since its 11 episodes long
>Arima Kana drama
No ideia about that
>Hana Kimura
Majority of the quote tweets from her mother tweet were on Onk side

>>50091501
why do you lose interest in the first place? That's the key to your problem and perhaps solution

>>50092613
Immediately claiming it's fake when it has the potential to look bad on nijisanji is niji defence force behaviour, yes

>>50092576
Neopolitan Lamy

>>50092645
too obvious it's fake, give me the real shit

>>50092714
Yeah that's what you'd like us to believe wouldn't you nijinig?

>>50092653
Lumi said some of her buddies were interviewing for EN in July and speculated that whoever got picked might have decided not to debut due to a contract issue or some other reason. But she was just guessing on the reason, it seemed.

>>50092304
So is this why the gamers wave got delayed?

>>50092701
>on

Shit, according Asmongold, Mythic might consider doing monthly live events with their vtuber roster

>>50092653
A clip from the lemon whore. It doesn't make much sense because if that happened we would see random people talking about since Finana talked about the Hololive auditions back in 2020 and some dude who got deep into the StarsEN one had a whole video talking about it, but we had absolutely nothing related to a possibly canceled EN3.

https://clips.twitch.tv/ProductiveSmokyHareKlappa-TscRZugoRcPc8MCr

>>50092304
144p gives my cornea PTSD

>>50091433
check her recent streams, she couldn't even pass over 15k

>>50092645
We talked about it already and it's probably fake, but it'll be very funny if the design actually does debut.

>>50092645
I remember more people being interested in Snail's ultra black company situation than this, that's how irrelevant Nijisanji is nowadays

>>50092645
if it's real then they already got a replacement

>>50092828
If it actually does debut it's prove that were completely infiltrated by nijiniggers and a purge is required

>>50092654
Retard zeta isn’t a lamy

>>50092799
RIP Vshojo, should have kept up but you didn't and now you got disrupted

>>50092903
Vshojo and cyberlive prove why giving talents ownership of the ip is retarded

>>50092701
>5 words sentence that doesn't explain shit has potential
anon, even zaion did better than that

>>50092799
Lol good luck getting them on board with that. Unless they're getting paid to do it.

>>50092467
> 1 solo and 1 collab
And i thought Kroniis schedules were bad. Jesus

>>50092804
>>50092770
Are we sure that they're finalists?
I think there are many interviewing stages before you can get a debut.

>>50092981
So that's why you immediately jumped on it claiming it's fake amirite?

>>50092185
Fillian is like a 5k streamer now. I'd expect someone with a million subs to get *some* traction.

>>50092799
Didn't also Asmongold say he had contracted a 3D studio in the States? That guy works fast

>>50092799
theres probably more but only one of the big vtubers i know under mythic who has expressed interest in 3d live events/shows as a goal is filian.

>>50092993
still, if they were doing interviews in July last year what happened

>>50091174
She also worked on Pomu's 3D debut, I think she worked on mixing her song or something like that.

>small corpo inclines
>niji and holo decline, vshojo stagnated
EN is truly fucked.

>>50092576
https://youtu.be/B3jMTvVVAjM?t=209

>>50093036
Cover and Anycolor are just incompetent like most Japanese companies

>>50092645
it's as fake as Akane graduation rrat from members

>>50092993
Withdrawing her application makes much more sense than some 2view turning down a Hololive offer or even more absurdly reneging on it

Numbers

>>50092985
A live event doesn't mean a concert dumbass, they can do whatever they want on stage, just like a fleshstreamer live event

>>50092899
She is way more in the Lamy and Fauna vein than Koyori.

>>50092993
No, she never claimed they were finalists or anything like that.
The only thing to really take away from it, if you believe her, is that they were mid-stream on the EN talent hunt in July and didn't go through with it for whatever reason.
Interviewing in July would have lined up for like an October debut, which was one of the most common dates floated around in this thread at the time. If Lumi isn't making shit up, Cover wasn't able to find a good gen or they had some sort of problem (or Omega decided it would take attention away from Tempus)

>we have actual newfags that take twitch numbers for real

>>50092799
>They only direct sponsors, they aren’t a company, pretty much still indie
Man I wonder what the new cope will be. Also vtuber events are retarded without niji/holo Business model. It’ll either be something crappy that you have to pay for or something good that’s free either way they’ll be operating at a loss

>>50093117
SEA gold

>>50091877
None of this shit is vtubers.

>>50093125
Lamy Council already decided otherwise

>>50093117
retard shouldve stayed dead

>>50092938
>Vshojo and cyberlive prove why giving talents ownership of the ip is retarded
These agencies didn't give ip willingly. They gave it because the talents are popular and have bargaining power. Or the agency has no brand power at all.

>>50093072
>>50093127
>>50093114
how long was the training period for holoX before their debut?

>>50093117
>depressed flippagpag
get out

>>50092993
We're not sure of anything and just using the very scarce information out there to try to understand why it's taking more than 2 years for EN3 to debut. Regardless I still think what Lumi's is talking about it probably misinfo she got from said friends because, again, someone would spill as much beans as they could if they were deep into the process, got rejected and then fuck all happened while Cover dumped 8 faggots nobody wanted.

>>50093169
The only retardation here is from nip worshipping weebs who think the way Japan does things is the only way it should be

>>50093117
OH NO NO NO NO NO NIJISIS DON'T LOOK

>>50093117
This fucker is a disqualified nousagi. He didn't even know about the new Pekosanji and Nousanji.

>>50092645
When there's some evidence it's real it will become more interesting.

>>50093169
It's okay to be jealous, corpofag. Asmongold doesn't have a business degree but he is far more competent than both Yagoo and Riku

>>50093214
>cyberlive
>talents are popular and have bargaining power.
Tell me you have no idea what you're talking about without saying you have no idea whar you are talking about

>>50093219
I don't know the one for HoloX but we have a rough idea of the period for Myth: about 3 months

>>50093125
Zeta’s debut thumbnail is all wrong. She was never a true Lamy like Fauna and Konkoyo

>>50093205
>>50093224
Ah I love the smell of nijiseethe in the morning

>>50093310
>defending a doxxnigger
Go back

>>50093280
You might to want to re-read my whole post especially the last sentence before you embarrassed yourself more, blindchama.

>>50093301
that's why i specifically asked about them. The training period for JP girls only gets longer. Myth was in JP3-4 era.

>check twitter
>notSana is blocking people who have Hololive stuff in their twitter name
Pretty funny

Tempoop beating Noctyx?

>>50093310
>nijiseethe
>when he kept saying in his last niji video that everything was a nothingburger
good way to out yourself discordfag, go back and raid your mother

>>50093101
Yep I hope holoEN abandon hololive and join mythic.

>>50093350
So you can turn this place into your nijinigger playground? Not a chance nijinig

>>50093405
>don't post proof
What's the point of these posts

>>50093214
Vshojo didn't give anyone anything, the talents already had their own models when they joined. Cyberlive did give the talents their IPs, it was one of their selling points. Experimental, and obviously dumb, but it was an intentional choice to try that business model.

>>50093432
Fuck off doxxnigger

>>50093310
>morning right now
>defending SEA trash feasting on drama
SEA vultures and their minions have no place here.

>>50093219
Well if we go by the discord leaks baes discord was created in March of 2021. Most of tempus guys also said they were in limbo for close to 4-6 months before debut. Slowly being introduced to one another.

HoloJP is starting to disown Bae now

>>50093445
Nijinigger deflection

Kronii 5k
Bae 3.5k
Is this the power of homo collabers?

>>50093420
>Clown get all the numbers
>Rest in the shitter
kek

Twitch Indies and Vshojo doing better than HoloEN nowadays what happened
And no "twitch numbers" cope

Was pic rel talked about here? Shit cost 12k yen for what look like a simple office shirt. The key chain isn't even included in that 12k.

>>50093420
Altare so weak, even Shinri seems better

>>50093465
The nijinigger fears the indochad

>>50093521
No it wasn't, and I'm starting to suspect its because the niji defence force playing defence

>>50093405
>most recent post
>4th person from the top
>takodachi and bread dog avatar
ok

>>50093512
react content is king
ylyl content in the same vein.

>>50093532
oh, it's the flip using indos to deflect

>>50092653
this guy >>50081952

>Sponsored by s game no ones heard of
Still at 6-7k while overlapping with henya
Ironung supremacy?

So why the hell is Cover doing a replay of the AZKi/Mori mini live thing in Holoearth anyway? Why is it so hard to get a couple other girls to sing a few songs instead?

>Pekora talked about how she is having fun with the viewers when streaming, which is why she can do this continuously for so long
If you extrapolate this logic it means that ENs are mostly unhappy when they are streaming, especially Gura.

>>50093512
I guess consistenly streaming everyday is good for them. Henya and ironmouse are holding 7-8k strongly (with a peak into 9-10k) the rest are like 4-5k now arent they?

>>50093679
It makes very little sense for most indies to get huffy about a delay for their HoloEN slot and fucking quit.
It's like a minor-league baseball player choosing not to sign with the yankees if they don't get to be on the active roster immediately. It's unthinkably stupid to even contemplate.
Much more likely cover didn't go through with it on their end and dismissed them, if they even picked anyone at all. Isn't this about the timeframe they added the language about "passing audition doesn't guarantee you a slot"?

>>50093679
That guy is retarded but it's been a theory that one or more people quit since forever. It's speculation on why it's taken so long. Zero evidence but it's as good as any other theory.

>>50093219
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09BTlPXh2Vw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecOJVGfV7HE

>>50093117
I may have grudgingly accepted what false and khyo did, but I will never accept this piece of shit. I wouldn't go as far as to side with Niji, but I'd certainly throw rocks from the side while they attack him.

>>50093779
I think you can only say that about Gura, Ame, and Kronii honestly. The CHaD girls in particular must be quite happy and having fun given how much more they stream on average.

>>50093503
>Clown get all the numbers
1.6k? I don't know about that.

>>50093817
If they got someone like Ina or Sana that had another high profile gig and either backed out of it because they were taking too long or simply because they got a bigger offer for something else (say they hired a semi-professional VA who got a big gig after they signed on) then it's plausible. Random indie shitter huffing off in protest? Not a chance.

>>50093140
They are real, real magic numbers. Next thing you'll try to tell me is magic doesn't exist.

>>50093127
October was floated around because july was taken and people were sure they were coming but it was never really on the table. They hired ame, sana, and ina, all of which had no proof they would work in holo. They had an open audition for 2 years so people were able to apply and realized they wouldn’t get the chance to debut. This is probably true but any of them getting to the finals or being hired is definitely a lie

>>50093457
>Cyberlive did give the talents their IPs, it was one of their selling points.
Yes because Cyberlive is NOT FAMOUS how else are they going attract good talents if they don’t sweeten the contract deal?
Imo it’s not called dumb, it’s called trade-off or sacrifice.

>>50093779
and the sky is blue, bears shit in the woods and water is wet
The only ones that actually like streaming are Kiara, Fauna, Mumei and IRyS

>>50093896
Yeah CHaD are some of the best EN streamers out there, although some may argue that C and D are not. I would say that all 3 of them appreciate their viewers and really like their presence. I still don't understand why for western entertainment the more the publlishers/streamers hate the consumers, the more the consumers like them and vice versa.

>>50094019
October was floated around because it was obvious and made sense. July auditions would line up with that same common sense.
Everything else is just speculation, it clearly failed but Lumi doesn't know why and neither do we. We're just guessing.
I don't understand any of your other points or why you're brining up Ame, Sana, and Ina

>>50094056
What? Bae and Mori stream a lot too. They clearly like it. Bae even agreed to live in a cuckshed just to stream for her audiences.

>>50093981
Even if they got someone like that it's been almost a whole year since the supposed interviews. Wouldn't it make sense for Cover seeing that their attempts to get 5 girls for an EN3 were not being successful to try to shill the auditions like they did a bunch of time for the StarsEN?

What is up with all the Twitchfags in the thread?

Goddamn this Ollie/Aruran/Miyabi/Flygon collab has grim numbers

>>50094128
This is a good point and the biggest clue that they probably cancelled the gen in the summer and didn't start back up until 2023.
Absolutely moronic braindead move, which hey, Cover clearly realized when they fired the dumbass who did it and hired someone new.

>>50094135
got more active after the holoEN audition video

>>50094135
Mythic Shills

>>50093896
count ame out, she thanked me for watching her play totk. She appreciate the company. It's just her amewaying her hololive homework eats away her streaming time, also her manager keeps feeding her more works.
That's why I'm expecting EN3, a team to get all the workload so she can get back to streaming.

>>50093275
>Multiple members of otk accused of sexual assault and now have to hide their name under mythic
>Young billionaire and top of the Forbes list
Super jealous

>>50094178
Nobody asks for this fucking garbage and nobody wants to watch it. It's absolutely pathological that they can't realize how little demand there is for stuff like this.

>>50094135
Just like when nijiniggers cams here when luxium became popular twitchfags are doing the same, they will shit this thread until holoen revives again then turn deranged like nijiniggers.

>>50094178
Three of them are boring. Ollie is the worst of them. Aruran can be interesting depends on partner. Don't know about Flygon.

>>50094032
It was dumb, it killed their company. Well that and lack of funding, non-existent management, and greedy backstabbing talents. Phase, Idol, and Kawaii don't have any brand either but managed to survive without giving away their IPs to talents. Hell Phase even steals IPs from people who join.

>>50094071
The main criticism is whether they’re good Hololive talents. Outside of the Hololive context, they’re inarguably top streamers in the EN realm

>>50093117
Smash your skull in

>>50094240
Kek, nijifags always bringing out their CEO is probably the funniest thing ever

>>50094230
teammmate... you know that's not true if she actually enjoyed it she wouldn't be burnt out

>>50094202
I don't think they canceled anything. There was never a possible EN3 at all because, again, if any girl got as much as an interview from Cover, didn't get a reply afterwards and saw them debuting 8 faggots and not a single new girl for almost a year after we would see random people talking about it like Finana did back when Myth debuted.

>>50094135
are you misconstruing the shitposter as a genuine twitchfag?

OTV > OTK

Cope.

>>50094178
What exactly is the audience for that shit?

>>50094356
Why would a hopeful candidate who wants to reapply break their NDA? Finana talked about it because she's
1. Young
2. Retarded
3. Already has a job
4. Can't ever get a Hololive slot due to her Niji one and her yabs
5. Probably full of shit about being a finalist in the first place

Who dominates the Twitch Tally? Isegye Idol?

>>50093780
The replay is for an announcement. Likely the second protolive or character creation beta since that's supposed to be released soon.

>>50094322
*good hololive talents*
I think they all are. Mori actually ventured a lot out of the streams and being very successful. Bae broke a lot of new grounds too and is one of the most adventurous in Council, and the only one that can do idol rep right judging from the 4th fes. IRyS too is probably one of the most perfect idol.

The original post is about how someone keep on streaming after so many years (without feeling burnout) so it has nothing to do with what you and me are going at.

>>50094202
Here's what definitely happened.
"Girls, you're co-debuting with these repulsive faggots. Three of them are some kinda nerd sex creeps. You'll have to find out which ones for yourselves. Collabs begin immediately. Trans rights."
"What? We thought we were joining Hololive."
Then they're all fired.

>>50093856
Occams razor. Applications have been up for 2 years everyone could always apply. Nobody was being hired because of that faggot yagoo.

>>50094335
Eh at least she realized constantly taking a week break doesn't cure her burnout state. that's an improvement.

>>50094504
What is she "burnout" about?

>>50094438
Finana talked about it before she was Finana, when she was a vtweeter with a model. She probably already had the Niji spot secured at the time she brought it up. She almost certainly was not a finalist with 0 content creation experience or resume, and either misunderstood the callback process or was just making shit up.

>>50094438
And how many people you think would be getting early interviews from Cover? You really believe not a single one of them would spill the beans about it when we got someone doing the same for StarsEN? Also Finana did it before NijiEN auditions were a thing.

>>50094456
if you go to /lig/ they typically have their daily tally of indies + koreans seperated in the op. Koreans typically win overall but they seperate them because nobody in that thread actually watches the koreans they just acknowledge they exist.

>>50094456
Isegye if you include foreign vtubers, Ironmouse when she streams for just EN. Otherwise at this point it's just the random indie of the day.

>>50094565
Did we not just hear evidence of someone "spiling the beans" today?
You seem absolutely obsessed with the idea that cover can't possibly have even been interviewing for EN3, anon. Want to explain to the class why that's so desperately important to you?

>>50094329
He compared asmongold to both company leaders and if you were a real person here you’d know the top of the Forbes list is Yagoo.

>>50094319
>Phase, Idol, and Kawaii don't have any brand either but managed to survive without giving away their IPs to talents.
I see. So agency can only survive without giving away IP, no matter how small it is. Otherwise it will be an eternal stepping stone and destined to fail someday. Perhaps due to company having zero control over talents.

Is there not a single company who manages to grow and sustain by giving away IP?

If twitch magic numbers are accepted here, then b2 numbers should be accepted. Asoul and eoe are mogging mythic.

>>50094556
health issue made her lose the will to grind after constantly grinding hard for a year.

>>50094576
>Koreans typically win overall but they seperate them because nobody in that thread actually watches the koreans they just acknowledge they exist.
So essentially their main tally is a cripple tally? kek EN viewers are pitiful that they need all sorts of cope no matter where they are.

>>50094556
Same shit every creative type gets burned out about, not being able to come up with anything new and interesting so she just stays in bed all day watching tiktok.

>>50094661
shitpost all you want at least you guys actually watch jp here, nobody watches koreans in lig.

>>50094576
Thanks!

>>50094262
I'm pretty sure the Bae collab will do better just because it has the number 1 and 2 of starsEN. But it has the same problem as this collab, the whole thing is just for Bae to gawk at the Clown cringing to the movie. Her fans don't give a shit about the clown and his fans will probably be just annoyed at her for gawking so much. Also, Vesper is there to be a third wheel, so they don't get shipped, I guess.

>>50094725
i should also mention /lig/ goes by average ccv rather than peak. so its not entirely 1 to 1 what happens with tally here.

>>50094565
Hardly anyone leaked their Myth, Hope, or Council audition experiences, just the people who never got callbacks and had their applications tossed (like Digibro's girlfriend). It's very unprofessional to do that and type of people who were serious enough candidates to advance in the process wouldn't want to fuck themselves our of a chance to reapply or just not be shunned in the industry in general.

>>50091012
>Convert
Also neck yourself. We know you're also the Filianfag and just come in here to shit.

>>50094681
How about just watch tiktok together with teammates on twitch?

>>50094230
>>50093896
>>50094071
>>50094322
>>50094472
Their numbers decrease but the shilling increases. Couldn’t be more obvious

>>50094032
Yeah bro that's why tsunderia, phase, and all the other small companies also gave their talents full control of their ip

>>50091947
He's a convert. You're just a person that thinks they can shitpost about things they have no understanding of and assumes nobody will notice.

>>50094661
/lig/ isn't primarily a numberfagging thread, it's a thread to talk about popular non-Vshojo twitch vtubers. The numberfagging is mostly to gatekeep people shilling their 2views. Korean vtubers have their own thread.

Why is bae sub 10k? Where are the penis tourists?

>twitch doesn't count because... le bots...
>youtube does count because... there are no le bots
>except when nijisanji streams, then it's all bots...
>when ame and mori get weird graphs it's not bots...
summed up this thread in a qrd post

just accept twitchfags are more popular than girls on youtube, it's not that difficult

>>50094775
You can't go for peak because of the constant raiding on twitch.

>>50094887
Youtube is starting to cull bae viewers

>>50094780
The dude has been saying this for hours and his two counterexamples are:
1. Finana who was probably full of shit or just too stupid to understand how the audition process works. Wasn't she saying she almost became Gura? Lmao
2. Some StarsEN guy? is he talking about the numberfag dude who leaked his audition tape here and never stood a chance, because he shat on Nijisanji in it?

>>50094872
>gatekeep 2views
for good reason wvt is one of the shittiest threads on this entire board since its roots are from the pits of /trash/

>>50094840
>he thinks the numbers thread is about numbers

>>50092088
Of course they did. They were the kind of viewers looking for "unhinged" content. They're not interested in Bae.

>>50094887
This game is so boring, not even Fauna can save it

>>50094775
Twitch is so raid happy and their streams so fucking long it's not uncommon to have a peak twice as high as your average.

Cope b2 corpos/indies are mogging any twitch corpos or indies

>>50094872
>it's a thread to talk about popular non-Vshojo twitch vtubers
No wonder when I posted Youtuber indie with > 500 ccv no one responded.

>>50094106
Except it wasn’t and made 0 sense. It’s not a speculation because you could literally apply on the site since December of 2021. They just weren’t hiring people.

I brought those 3 because the retard said cover might’ve canned it because they weren’t good

>>50094897
Vtubers not vtwitchers.

>>50094925
It was. But numberbros are weak ass pussies who couldn't chase away invaders and tourists.

So it became a public toilet.

>>50094973
How the fuck did October make "zero sense"? It's 99% empty except for Halloween and Halloween week, stuff that all happens at the end of the month.
Are you drunk or something?

>>50094961
There really aren't any youtube indies over 500 except sometimes Miori? Pretty sure most Miori discussion takes place in the Tsunderia zombie thread.

>>50094627
The evidence is someone saying what they've heard for other someone, not a person who actually went through the process talking about it. And I'm not obsessed with anything, just saying that if they had anything close to an EN3 and that didn't happen for any reason we would be hearing about it, and if that actually happened it would be much worse than Cover just not having an EN3 in their schedule for 2022 because that would mean they tried for EN3, failed, shelved the whole idea for a while and then shifted all their attention for the EN faggots while taking less than 6 months to get 2 more just for them to end up as 3views.

>>50094780
Sure but there is a huge difference between that era and now. Back then Cover still had a semblance of consistent debuts for HoloEN so these girls probably had hopes of doing it again in the future, while now we're reaching a 2 year drought of no new girls while we had 8 faggots pushed in less than 6 months and the first time since EN2's auditions that they were direct about wanting girls and only girls was yesterday.

>>50095010
How do you "chase away" people that thrive on arguing, shitposting, and general engagement? I think it's more that people didn't ignore them enough.

>>50094897
>>50095004
Are you fishing for people to call you a retard, anon?

>>50094775
Guess it makes sense when you can have someone raid from 150 to 7000 and bleed it all in 2 seconds. If there was a filter our tally would probably filter out raid into bleed out in 5 minutes

>>50095091
So hearing about it second-hand is absolutely 1000% percent unreliable, but it's also completely impossible that people who actually got interview calls might have shut up so they weren't banned from future auditions?
You're making too many assumptions.

Henya is reclining

>>50094872
>/lig/
>numberfagging is mostly to gatekeep people shilling their 2views
big leagues
small leagues
small small leagues
why is vt like this?

>>50094636
>Is there not a single company who manages to grow and sustain by giving away IP?
conventional talent agency?
They make money from getting a service fee from their talent. BUT the goal of this model is to build up a roster of clients that would go to them and hire their talent for performance, ads like how mythic does. Vtuber companies that we have now can survive not getting sponsorship and clients for 3-5 years, that's something.

>>50095091
We have no idea if EN3 was shelved for homos. No one knows.

Is this a new way to gain sub?
Creating an account spamming shorts, and then creating another but posting normal videos.
If 50% of shorts viewers would like to subscribe the sub-channel, you can say this one is not a shorts channel.

>>50095245
Because the community for the bottom of the barrel 2views is incredibly cancerous (and often includes the vtubers themselves as participants). It's full of petty drama and discord grooming. No one wants to deal with them.

>>50095010
Anon it's 4chan, if you try to "chase away" people you don't like all you're going to do is attract people who feel comfortable rolling in shit

>>50095245
wvt is awful. lig was the cure to that for people who want to a place to talk about large indies that werent vsj or /here/2viewtubers and the drama those fags bring to the threads.

would it kill you niggers to not shill pagpag nousagi in every small corpo thread?
we don't give a shit about niji or him
thank you in advance you stupid retards

>>50095281
It would be an incredible feat to get even 20% of people to subscribe to a sub-channel.

>>50095135
Inversely, how do you ignore roving gangs of samefags? This isn't 2008 anymore, there's a fuckload of traffic on 4chan, and it's even worse with /vt/ because an surprisingly large chunk of the EN VTubing audience in general lurks here. If one samefag raid unknowingly runs into another, they're going to vomit bullshit at each other for hours on end, days on end, and NOT engaging at all just means the only things talked about are raw bullshit.

>>50095388
Nijiseethe

tribalfags status?

>>50095162
This entire discussion is composed of people making assumptions trying to map Cover's actions to explain why we didn't have an EN3 last year.

>>50095266
I didn't say they got shelved for the homos, just that in the theory that Cover canceled an EN3 for whatever reason means that they also decided to not try again for a indeterminate time while focusing their attentions on the homos because, again, they got 2 of them during the time in-between Tempus 1 and 2 debuts. If they were able to get 2 dudes in less than 6 months they would also be able to get some girls in the same time but as far as we know that didn't happen, and that's one of the reason for why I'm not buying this theory.

>>50095388
Apparently shilling that FAG is considered a shitpost in pagpag land

>>50095388
I don't know where you came from but don't blame us, it's his Discord. We've always hated him here and especially after it was revealed he had doxed Kiara and Gura.

>>50095135
sry I was just shitposting for lulz. But you made a very good point. Even the smartest person cant silence a manchild. And if the smart guy replies, he becomes retarded too.

>>50094636
There’s no way. That shit costs money. The only way you can let people keep their character models is by being some sort of group, either informal or official, that just handles the business stuff and only hires indies who already have their own models and own their IPs already.
Which…was vshojo, but given the departed EN members and their recent JP moves, it looks like they’re focusing less on that. As far as I can tell that leaves…Mythic.
I’m starting to think that no, it’s not possible, unless you diversify and either expand outside vtubers or include talents whose IPs are owned by you.

>>50095418
where are those 4k subs that subbed to Bae

>>50095388
What the fuck are you talking about? Everyone here wants him dead.
It's just his discord raiding you dumbasses

>>50095449
Yeah, and your assumption that us hearing about interviews in July is unreliable because nobody else leaked it is pretty dumb. It's a different scenario from the Myth auditions. If Cover interviewed and decided to shelve the gen and tell the girls to reapply next year, of course they aren't going to leak it and destroy their chances. Whereas if they interview and don't get in, the truly stupid ones might be willing to leak (but the smart ones still won't so they aren't blacklisted).
Anyway, I can't really tell your angle, it almost seems like you're trying to act like 2022-era EN management was smart or behaved in an intelligent way, which is a really stupid thing to believe!

>>50095388
>you niggers
He's actually hated the most /here/ for being a dramafaggot and doxxnigger falseflagging as nousagi, mind you.

>>50095398
Drown them out with actual discussion and report their posts so they get deleted and aren't in the fucking thread anymore?

>>50095398
If they have the time and type speed, there's nothing we can do. Just ignore the posts that look unnaturally retarded and do your thing. Then this thread can provide some function while diluting the the ratio of bullshit ITT. Nta

>>50094630
Yagoo actually made the Forbes list? Most would think he has a shitty sense of business since he doesn't prioritize profits. I'd definitely think Forbes would put Tazumi over Tanigo in such a list.

>>50095449
I just think they were pushing tempus for stockholders. It's a market Cover didn't really have a foot in yet. As for EN3 I think it was a blunder. But also no JP7 either so clearly they shifted priorities. Like the studio for one. Everything they did last year looked like they were buffing up their stock value. They already dominate the female vtuber space.

>>50095591
bullshit post and timelooping pasta are not violations of the rules

>>50095398
Don't respond to people who use the same buzzword slang like nijinigger/holobronies ect. It's a red flag you're not talking to someone worth talking to.

EN3 announcement 25 hours from now

>>50095687
They rushed Tempus so they didn’t crash their stock on top of chasing those fujo bucks. Imagine the reaction from two consecutive Tempus gens when JP7/EN3 have much higher demand.
It might force Yagoo to actually answer questions from investors on what the fuck he’s doing. This fiscal year he’s burying Tempus gen 3 between 3 Holo gen debuts.

>>50095075
What about the ex Kawaii gen 3 girls?

>>50095744
Spamming is. A lot of them don't have the discipline not to do it.

>>50095687
ES or KR would have made a much bigger impact if they were just looking to impress people.

>>50093248
Only way? No. It's just the superior method of streaming and content creation.

>>50095563
No, I'm saying that the 2022-era management is fucking retarded and didn't even try to debut an EN3. They're retarded either way, having tried to get 5 girls and failing or not trying at all, but the former theory makes then even more retarded because they decided to not try again and get the attention of more candidates for some reason while going full steam ahead with the homo branch even if by the time they debuted the second gen/part/whatever they had already lost a huge chunk of their audience and the new new dudes absolutely failed to bring new people in.

>>50095687
No JP7 isn't really an issue because Holox took 15 months to debut after Gen 5 and I doubt they would drop a new gen that soon, but it makes no sense for them not trying to push a third HoloEN gen when they're still in a growing period and need new members to diversify their content. There's no reasonable explanation for Cover's actions in 2022 regarding the branch and every single theory can be summarized as "Cover is absolutely retarded".

>>50095850
>en3 announcement at 11pm est
You're a retard.
Council and IRyS were announced NA afternoon.

>>50095865
I don't think any of them were over 500 when they were in kawaii, only Nene and that flip doxxfag. If any of them have inclined above 500 since then I haven't heard of it.

>>50095948
They were retarded enough to put up the audition vid at 11pm est, nothing is off the table

>>50095763
NTA but as he said it's pointless, since they'll still get their baits bitten by other raiders/falseflaggers/schizos, starting the same loops over and over again.

>>50095983
The horsegirl I think

>>50095930
KR in particular. Some smaller Korean agencies are showing good success on Twitch and Cover having good performance in the region would make them look better than Anycolor who completely failed to get the market.

>>50095948
Didn't they announce both homo gens around 10-11PM EST?

>>50095663
You are new when riku became a billionaire it was spammed but when Yagoo was on forbes that became meme of the week. It didn’t really stop until January for obvious reasons. But yagoo is awful at business he just found a pot of gold that lets him be bad

30k is Pekora’s average right?
So Amanda is a neutral game or minor debuff then. Guess it’s probably going to IRyS with viewer participation EDF then.

>>50093521
TO THE CATALOGUE

>>50095862
They were in the situation of either release starsEN now or never. If they release them and they did good then they could include them in the IPO. They just had more to gain then lose from releasing them before the IPO.

>>50095983
Horse girl was a rising star but she was basically itching to dip cause she hated the direction the company was going in (idol shit) and hated sharing her revenue with the company.

>>50093112
Kek

Irys sub 6k prediction
Fauana 8k
Mori 4k

>>50096095
If Yagoo was any good he'd be taking 98%. He's too soft.

EN3 is being announced at the concert

>>50095418
lol Nousagi is mogging most of the nijis

>>50095687
> pushing tempus for stockholders.
The high effort low return Tempus project which contradicts with the main business?

>>50096191
Yeah and run your company into the ground in the process

>>50096205
Insanely late as hell but seems likely at this point

>>50095461
>doxed Kiara and Gura
It will never stop being funny to me what a fucking retarded term "doxxing" is in vtuber circles. It's especially funny because now nobody can tell when someone actually doxxes a vtuber versus saying their alternative account name that they still actively which is pretty much not secret at all, and apparently both are equally as bad anyway for some reason.

>>50093896
Kronii likes streaming, likes her chat and her fans (she doesn't like grays/tourists so she sticks to debuff games). I can't say the same for Gura,Ame or Ina. If they do SC readings they like their fans.

>>50095687
They weren't pushing Tempus "for the stockholders" they were pushing Tempus to try to get a success under the Stars label so the stockholders didn't destroy them. Which failed, which is why the precious boys are now going into privileges lockdown.

>>50096155
Fauna isn't getting 8k with overlap

>>50096130
Looking at it from a purely stock market point of view, releasing EN3 after going public is better for raising their market value (potentially). Niji on the other hand managed to somehow kill debut hype in both their branches.

>>50095687
>>50096223
I still believe the rrat that tempus was rushed primarily to throw a wrench in nijisanji's plans and any actual success is incidental to not letting nijisanji have free reign of an entire market segment

>>50096254
BAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>50095862
>>50095930
>>50095936
Luxiums peak was when Cover theoretically were looking for males. Expanding a business can be tricky. Are they needed? Probably not but at the end of the day expansion is the only way to grow a business which Cover is trying to do. It's really about having your brand everywhere.

>>50096245
He posted their real faces anon, stuff that is absolutely NOT public especially for Gura, who has gone to extreme lengths to protect her privacy.
That's doxing. Anything the talents don't associate with their new identities is doxing but it's extra-hardcore doxing if they've taken great lengths to preserve their privacy.

>>50095763
>buzzword slang like nijinigger/holobronies
>red flag you're not talking to someone worth talking to.
It depends. These words became so prevalent and generalized on vt and lost some of their negative connotations. It's not especially offensive or flaming depends on context

>>50095744
Oh, huh I wonder what the 2nd and 3rd ones are. Surely "bullshit posts" and "timelooping pasta" would never fall under either of those categories.

>>50096235
This is a schizo raiding the board

>>50096245
This is a retard unaware what doxxing actually is. Thinks he’s smarter than he is and doesn’t know what he’s talking about

>>50096254
This is a cuck who is also crazy

>>50096422
Yeah, well it's all under "doxxing" now anyway. Saying the S-word is equally as bad as posting her current location and phone number.

>>50096254
>If they do SC readings they like their fans.
No.

Anyone watching Kronii know how long she’s going? Will we see 5 way overlap and the EN box stretched to its limits tonight?

>>50096379
Homobegging faggot

>>50096254
>If they do SC readings they like money*

>>50096491
Again, he didn't just say the "s-word", he posted her real face. For Kiara he posted a bunch of fucking nasty mean-spirited video from her former jobs, stuff he literally took from Kiara schizo anti twitter posters.
The dude is a straight-up anti and doxxer and no matter how much you try to run defense for him, it'll never work

>>50096235
>Riku
>Yacht
>Billionaire

>Yagoo
>no yacht
>$340,000/yr salary

Your move, hololkeks.

>>50096511
She beat it, is going for the good ending and after that there's literally nothing to play and SC reading shouldn't take 3 hours because she's not IRyS. It'll be a 4 way, but most likely 3 way because I don't see Bae playing this game that long, overlap.

>>50096400
Yeah and they tried to grow their business at the expense of their main market, which is something you should never do and there's lots of examples of companies who went bankrupt for attempting this.

>>50096565
I don't really care what he did, I'm saying I can't figure what the fuck you mean when you say he posted "doxx" because in the retard zone that is /vt/ the term ranges from literal common knowledge to actual harassment campaigns

https://twitter.com/kishidotemma/status/1661567218629619712

>>50096400
Yeah a company should try to expand their business and grow. However, it shouldn't do so at the expense of an existing market and incur a net loss because of it.

>>50096641
Ok well I'm telling you exactly what the fuck I mean, moron, so now you know and can stop trying to defend him. Unless you're one of his Discord crew, or the man himself.

>>50096641
>I don't really care what he did I'm just running defense for him
Sure thing sister.

>>50096491
Retard you can change a phone number and move. Your face has always been actual dox. It’s why witness protection doesn’t allow pictures. Did you forget the existence of phone books and white papers? Your name and face are the truest dox.

>>50096589
Oh. That’s a shame since we rarely get these opportunities but at least everyone will have better numbers then

>>50096571
The top 50% of Holos made over a million dollars last year.

>>50096480
while doxxposts will be caught red handed, perception of trolling is really subjective and arbitrary. Janny has to be on your side

>>50096547
Such obsession isn't healthy anon

>>50096400
Cover should have learn by now to expand their brand by leaning into their strength, rather than their weakness. What is the point in expanding when the expansion actively hurt their main source of income? How does that makes sense from any point of view?

>>50096400
Usually businesses try to grow their products parallel to each other, not fucking stop expanding in your most lucrative market in favor of a niche market.

>>50096726
You believe 27 talents made 7 figures?

Homo numbers

>>50096829
I know they did.

>>50096829
If you make a list of them, you'll believe it.

>>50096780
That would imply yagoo’s goal is anything but making homos successful

>>50096647
What is this for? Do they have points like it's a fucking NASCAR season?

>>50094793
>Filianfag
you called ?

>>50096854
Rust inclined them like crazy, not in your pic though

>sees Mori, Bae, and Kronii streaming at the same time as her
>”oversleeps”
My numberfag wife!

>>50096854
>Aruran is now less popular than Miyabi

>>50096854
Clown = Male Gura

>>50096829
In their career? Yeah. In one year? I'm not so sure. It might be fairly top heavy.

>>50096780
I don't mind them working on sub products. But they have to fix their main products first.

And if sub product is hazardous to main product, split them.

>>50096829
>>50096982
Didn't we work out how much the top twenty talents earned based on that revenue thing that cover released?

>>50096854
Im telling you boys spic homo is the new EN runt

>>50033145
"Ina is EN Marine" is even funnier.

>>50096614
Reminds me of the really nice custom revolver maker who went bankrupt because the owner went insane, got a bug up his ass about a bizarre and unsafe polymer .22 pistol he designed, and sold all the equipment to manufacture it.

>>50096960
Please don't divide Aruran and Miyabi's unity due to merely 20 audiences. Thank you.

She will save us

>>50096907
I don't understand Yagoo's obsession with it. It feels like he is too prideful to just give up, so he chooses to push them at the expanse of everything else.

>>50096854
GRIM

>>50097085
What a retard. Irys is the marine of EN

>>50096982
I'm 100% sure all the girls but ID and Sana have made 1M since they joined Hololive

>>50096571
>Hololive
>Land Owners
>Millionaires and six figure earners who can retire early

>Nijisanji
>Rentoids
>Debt slaves who make less than 6 six figures

Your cope, Nijipoor?

>>50097045
It's just guessing but yes I remember people doing that.

>>50096894
>>50096880
ID3= 9
Holoen= 9
Gen 1= 4
Choco, azki, nene, polka, luna= 5
9+9+4+5= 27
Lui is +1 and now we’re at 28. You can definitely add a few more as well

>>50096511
She just beat the game.

where is Irys

>>50096941
>mori bae and irys all overlap at the same fucking time in na
>chadcast is always at fucking jst time anyway
I fucking hate them

>>50097100
The zip 22?

>>50097100
That's sounds absolutely depressing.

>>50097085
they both can draw. So that analogy is ok in that regard

>>50097187
Yep, that's the one. The company went under in like 6 years.
>>50097194
It was.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Fire_Arms_Manufacturing_Company

>>50097045
No.

Dumbrys

>>50097045
Yeah, here you go

>>50097115
I would expect my friend to save though

>>50096551
No, they like interacting with their fans. Kiara and Kronii enjoy bantering with their chat more than anyone else in EN.

>>50097175
Wait what exactly are you making a list of?

>>50097121
I didn’t really notice him push StarsJP that hard this year, Tempus was his last chance to make successful males and it’s largely flopped and judging by how T2 cannibalized T1, T3 might be the final nail in the coffin.

Brutal holoEN overlap happening right now.

>Nene won't play the penis game
Surprising. Would've got giga numbers

>>50096854
VESPAPA SAMA WE NEED YOU ON THE RUST SERVER TO BRING NUMBER HELLPPP

Anycolor/an undisclosed liver has won a case against an anti, getting his personal information, then reaching a settlement to pay 3 million yen in damages
https://twitter.com/ANYCOLOR_Inc/status/1661567806335520770?s=20

>>50097222
Yeah, I've heard that story before. It would be like Cover fired all the Holomem and only kept the Stars.

>>50097306
I fucking hope so, because they really need to do something about EN or their going to lose that market.

>>50097246
As before, they're applying the % shares to the wrong value.

>>50097184
Do we know why? They’re yapping in English the whole time so it can’t be for the JP viewers

>>50097306
Yeah he's cowed. Tempus was the last shot.
Honestly, at the end of the day, Yagoo didn't let the Stars boys down. He did all he could for them and more, and risked a lot.

>>50097222
Yeah the zip 22 didn't fail because it was unsafe, it failed because it didn't function half the time.

>>50097390
Cover is insanely lucky that Anycolor managed to fuck their growth in EN.

>>50097364
Probably one of those girls that already graduated, and they'll just pocket the cash lol.

>>50097420
It was really unreliable but you also have to nearly overlap the barrel to cock the thing unless you're really careful.
It's just a 100% demented gun from start to finish.

>>50097360
management doesn't allow it, also Bae also wouldn't have been allowed if they knew what was actually shown in the game

>>50097072

>>50097364
Bros, they are coming for us.

>>50097398
Irys and Bae both live in jp time so it's more convenient for them. And mori mostly lives in jp time too when she isn't flying all over the place so it's more convenient for her too.

>>50097503
The fucking trailer pretty much paints a clear picture.

>>50059696
Searching for more responses! Lolicons are currently dominating!!

>>50097503
?
Baelz manager is the one who told her the content is extremely explicit before she played it

>>50097045
No a retard tried to make sense of the revenue they made cover and correlate that to personal income but that makes 0 sense. Ayame would be in the top 20 because she is always in sponsors, great merch sales but lack of streams weaken her ad rev, members, and superchats. Now let’s say chloe isn’t in the top 20 she would be bringing home more money even though Ayame worth is triple hers. Number 1’s income could theoretically barely be over 6 figures. Without knowing the actual breakdown it’s all made up not even estimates

>>50097401
At the end of the day, Hololive is only competing against other vtubers (cause the majority of female flesh streamers are just camwhores). Tempus is competing with every flesh streamer out there.

>>50097184
>3 of the worst taste in anime
No wonder it never took off

>>50097503
Only a zoomer would continue the stream if their manager was panicking last minute trying to dissuade them

>>50097479
Skill issue, ironically. Unless there's uncontrollable factor like covid

>>50097555
yeah, like only 5 minutes beforehand, because her manager also didn't check what this game was about until just before the stream

>>50097401
He risked way too much and let a lot of EN fans down, possibly even some of the girls as well. If he's really directly responsible for all the bullshit that happened in 2022 then there was no justification for him to laser focus on Tempus at the expense of HoloEN, but he still decided to do it for some fucking reason and failed to get any actual and long-lasting success with them, with those faggots now being on the same level as their JP senpai.

>>50097530
THEY ALL STREAM AT NA NIGHT TIME
how is it not more conveniant? Even mori fucking abandoned jp time for some reason i dont understand EXCEPT FOR CHADCAST

>>50097363
Has Vesper said anything about Rust?

>>50097555
Her manager was begging for her to stop on stream.

>>50097562
See >>50097246
And pic related, the whole thing is derived from how the top 20 holos make 60% of the revenue so it has no bearing on who exactly is earning how much