/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

If anyone wants some fashion advice or looking for fashion inspiration, I've made a temporary email: taton.mackson@fineoak.org

I'm pretty good at finding interesting things, so if you're stuck message me.

Anyone ever seen a good hoodie design on a guy?

I don't get Twitter! What the fuck do I do what the fuck should I post
I got myself a few followers I guess, then I lose some then I gain some from nowhere. I don't get how to actually do anything on Twitter when I don't have a talent (art/music/etc)

All guides I look up are by weird talking heads trying to sell me a program. I just wanna figure out what to post to remind people I exist.

>>4939493
Stream schedules

>>4937302
Why wouldn't you just say it in the thread?

>>4940325
Anon in last thread said some people may not want their ideas leaked and suggested a throwaway.

But if you want to ask directly, go for it.

>>4939493
make content. are you streaming? clip stuff and post it. respond and engage with other vtubers. have a funny meme related to the thing you're streaming/doing? share it. retweet stuff you think is funny. post your stream schedules, when you're going live, etc. have maybe mildly interesting thoughts or opinions? post it. if you really dont have anything to "make" or share i would really work on finding something you're good at before trying to become a vtuber

>>4938086
OG Assassin's Creed and its tribute costumes in Ghost Recon.

>>4939493
You better figure out how to meme if you have no real talent.

>>4939493
like the other anon said, making funny memes and vtweeting by interacting with others does get you followers
will those followers watch your content/streams? probably not but every follower is another possible set of eyes on your stuff!

>>4939493
>make account
>follow a bunch of relevant accounts
>make short soundbyte clips of your streams or imagemacro memes
>find other small indies and reply to them
>do not under any circumstances spam replies at one of the bigs
>build a group of smaller indies your size who you regularly interact with and post jokes on their posts along with other things
>make polls for games, etc polls on every social media gets "interactions" which boosts your algorithm score

I hope none of you are vtweeters or pronoun spouting buffoons, you will never gonna make it if you are.

>>4944301
>vtweeters
The fuck is that

>>4945394
fake chuubas who tweet all day and never hit the live button once

>>4945394
the twitter version of the people who post in here all day. They have the commissioned model, logos, artwork, etc, they have fanart hashtags set up and they start to network with a few hundred to thousand followers.

And then they never fucking go live because they have no idea how to stream and realize their streaming skills are miles below their twitter shitposting skills

>>4945452
>>4945583
That's pretty weak, it's like they want all the fame and don't want to/can't do any of the work.

>>4945941
it's a condition that come out of having no skill, being unwilling to looks silly or embarrassed while you work up the skill, and protecting your ego

>>4945974
That's strange to me. Those people go their entire lives without knowing what either success or failure is like.

>>4946190
Failure is scary. And most of the time if you're planning on streaming behind an anime avatar scary things are a no go.

>>4937302
Sketch is obviously sub-par, as are my drawing skills, but I'm just trying to get some rough ideas for a design down. The main motif for the character is (obviously) flowers, but I feel like the outfit is very plain. Any suggestions?

>>4950104
That's pretty solid desu

I can't comprehend vtweeters.
I can barely even post shit on twitter without feeling like it's a massive waste of time.

>>4951263
i'm just doing what other /asp/ies are kinda doing. like toma and terumi's food posts. sharing an interesting song or two, but other than that, it feels so shallow and meaningless.

I wanted to start out vtubing but then I realized the costs and the monumental sea of other ones on Twitch and I just stopped.

>>4951327
>costs
?

>>4951327
nigger I spent exactly 10 bucks on a popfilter. Everything else I already had.

>>4951327
You can literally use whatever you have at hand, the only cost is if you don't have a mic or something.
Just use some anime PNG or whatever the fuck

>>4951345
>>4951382
He's probably referring to getting an expensive 3D or Live2D avatar to get the maximum amount of people viewing him or something. If someone sees a cute uguu girl or a cute kawaii animal chibi they instantly click.

>>4951327
If you can figure out how to do the avatar for cheap it really doesn't cost much.

>>4951431
I realize that and I think it's stupid. I'm firmly: Stream as soon as you can.

Just do vroid lmao

>>4951431
the hilarious thing is that there are hundreds of vtubers with decent rigs ~$1k for both art and rigging, who are all streaming to sub 5 viewers.

just the model itself won't work anymore. the last person who was able to capitalize on it was Artemis. but that shit isn't gonna happen this late into the game.

>>4951263
sometimes you just post what's on your mind i sometimes do it when i'm the middle of working on stuff and a thought pops up
other than that i share clips that i make, short covers, and schedule posts
i feel like you don't need to think too hard about it just exist as a person that people are aware of

>>4951327
>costs
even if you don't mean a model, expensive gear is going to actually make things harder on you to just start
yeah expensive audio setups give you control but you need to fuck around for hours to set them up, doubly so if you bought into the meme and got a Yeti or similar mic because those suckers pick up literally everything in your house down to the whisper of your AC and every little thing you put down on your desk will blow out your viewers eardrums

>>4950104
what's her background? if she's a florist or something similar you could give her a mini apron with pockets or a little satchel to hold her tools (scissors, knife, tape, etc). something to fill the empty space on the bottom left of the dress. maybe a wicker basket on the arm that doesn't have the bracelet?
love the concept in any case, and your art is very cute. will you be putting a variety of real types of flowers in her hair, or just a generic flower shape?

>>4951533
and Artemis was only able to capitalize on it because of the very lucky circumstance of her model being a shark when the Gura A video was making the rounds
any other time and she would not have blown up in the same way

How hard is it to get viewers with more generic design? Pic related is a design I have come up with but I dont know if its a good one. I'm not striving for particularly large audience, but I have a plan for character arc and I'd like to have around 30-50 consistent viewers so it doesn't go to waste as the finale requires viewer participation.

>>4952506
>but I have a plan for character arc
no one gives a fuck about this. you're a streamer not a cartoon character with plot development.

>>4952506
>character arc
>30-50 viewers
anon just stream, nobody gives a fuck about your "arc" and you'll have luck if you manage to break the double digits barrier

>>4952520
this really. unless you're at least Netflix reboot tier production quality like She-Ra or He-Man, i don't give a fuck about you. if i wanted to watch a cartoon, i'd watch a cartoon, not a vtuber.

https://twitter.com/choeurie/status/1403240639618174977
cute artist is looking for a male live2d model. estimated range is $2-5k.

>>4952844
>5k for live2d
yikes

>>4952844
>I haven't done a guy model yet
>who wants to pay 5k to be my guinea pig?
I mean I wouldn't expect free but jesus at least give a discount if you're trying to use them as a test subject

>>4952520
>>4952624
>>4952649
Haachamas arc had a big response from everyone. It went nowhere and wasn't done as she wanted, but the community feedback was definitely there as after stream threads would flood both this shithole and leddit

I don't mean character arc as in a backstory lore or some other shit, I mean it in its purest form of me acting out the change over the course of many weeks

>>4953124
>Haachamas arc had a big response from everyone.
you aren't Haachama so fuck off.

>>4951327
You don't have to go all in and get top tier stuff right off the bat. Just go with what you can reasonably afford, assuming that all investment will have zero ROI for at least a year. For some that means just a low cost image and PNG tube, for others that have money to blow like me that means dumping a few thousand on design+rigging+new computer just for the show.

>>4952844
I can't tell if the price is design+rigging (I hope so) but they give no examples of their rigging work so that seems really risky to go for. I do like the artstyle of their illustrations though.

>>4953124
Haachama arc got a lot of attention because she was already reasonably popular, and because the 'arc' looked like someone completely losing their sanity. Also she admitted later it was mostly made up on the fly, so it isn't even the same as your preplanned character arc.

>>4953124
>the community feedback was definitely there as after stream threads would flood both this shithole and leddit
are you corpo pulling in 3k viewers consistently over the span of 4 months?

>>4950104

I'd suggest try a version with less flowers. Her head is very busy. Maybe 1-3 flowers in her hair and a floral pattern on the collar?

Not a vtubing question, but anyone know of a good resource for piano sheet music? Watching our chuubas do karaoke with the ukelele made me want to break out my ancient usb piano and try my hand again, but all of the old sites I used to use 15+ years ago have long since died.

>>4953196
https://twitter.com/choeurie/status/1380322870778204160
she has a previous example of her rigging on her own character

>>4950104
I think it would be helpful to know her background too. Perhaps I could doodle some suggestions for you too.

>>4953454
how can someone believe this is worth more than 1k
fucking delusional, it's not even 3d

>>4953454
she actually has a really cute design. but i'm just worried that the male chuuba model is gonna end up like another bishie pretty-boy type.

>>4953509
that's why I think it shouldn't be full price
if you have no references on how you draw men and they're going to turn out like your female characters you have a strong possibility of pissing off the commissioner with a model they really don't want

>>4953530
yeah, wonder if she means that $2-5k is for future commissions after she uses this for her portfolio? i'd definitely expect something cheaper if it's her first male live2d model.

>>4953530
Their carrd thing linked in the tweet has a gallery, some male designs are in it. They are mostly bishie type stuff. If you want muscular/manly designs you mostly have to go for artists that do bara/gay art. Because thats the only way artists who do anime styled buff guys can make money.

>>4953658
from the application
>Expiremental models will go for $1800 USD (prices will alter after an application is accepted).
not much of a discount, but it's something

>>4953771
jesus that's still iron vertex territory for an experimental model

>>4950104
flowery schoolgirl design? pass, seen a million already

>>4953771
yikes.

>>4950104
Do these steps
1. Pick a specific flower theme and incorporate the shape of the petals as the shapes of dress and hair
2. Become a gijinka flower. See: moemon

>>4953416
Just google "song title sheet music" and look through the transcriptions

>>4953782
>iron vertex territory
IV starts at like 2-3k minimum, goes up to 5k+. And thats not including art and a $300-600 fee for working the design PSD depending on options selected.

>>4954221
>1800 for a model
>"jesus that's only 200 less than iron vertex"
>no anon Iron Vertex changes 200 more this one is cheaper
thanks a lot

>>4952844
Do all artists and riggers have these bullshit rules when you commission them?
>I own all rights to the character and will upload to my personal website
>you may not resell in any way
>you may not make alterations to the design other than cropping
>you may not remove my signature from it under any circumstances
>you may not use the work for commercial uses
this seems like a really fucking bad deal if you can't monetize any content with the avatar in it, nevermind the fact that being unable to do alt outfits or re-rigging parts without the artist seems like a PitA

>>4951327
Buy a model with basic rigging and reverse engineer it to add better rigging. There's a shitload of resources on how to rig stuff so it's passable enough not to be distractingly bad.

>>4954386
lmao they really think that shit is going to do them any good in a legal dispute. Besides, anyone could circumvent those if they were so inclined

>>4953124
The difference here is that Haato is a successful corporate tuber who was streaming for a few years before doing a completely improvised character arc that involved music and video production. Her character before that was "high school girl." You aren't going to find many people interested in a character or lore at all, and most people outside of here probably can't even tell you the gimmicks of the big tubers they watch.

>>4954386
>Do all artists and riggers have these bullshit rules when you commission them?
yes. online art commissioning has been a thing since the 1990s and (most) artists know the best practices to keeping their IP safe.

>I own all rights to the character and will upload to my personal website
yes, because they literally created the work. they own to the rights TO THAT SPECIFIC PICTURE, but not the underlying character design. (ex. someone can draw a picture of Superman, and they would own copyright in that specific picture of Superman, but not to the concept of Superman himself)

>you may not resell in any way
this is pretty standard. the commission is for you. they don't want you to take that and flip it to someone else for more money.

>you may not make alterations to the design other than cropping
pretty standard too. under copyright law, this would fall under "derivative works" where you change things up and the artist owns that right.

>you may not remove my signature from it under any circumstances
this one is generally more for flat png illustrations and for crediting purposes. i haven't come across this in any live2d model commission.

>you may not use the work for commercial uses
this is where most people entering vtubing may have concerns. if you vtube and intend to make money off subs and donos, it's a commercial use. (most) artists realize that's the entire goal and will include an additional fee that allows you commercial use of the model.

otherwise, that line in there is usually for things like taking a commission, printing it out on a billion buttons, keychains, books, and then reselling that.

>nevermind the fact that being unable to do alt outfits or re-rigging parts without the artist seems like a PitA
you don't need that artist, you can always find another artist to redo you when you want to change things up. pic related

>>4950104
It’s very cute. Maybe a more floral design on your dress instead? If you’re planning your design with a flower motif like colors and type are you going to work that into your design?

>>4954561
>lmao they really think that shit is going to do them any good in a legal dispute.
but it does? also, they don't need to take you to court about it. they can just get you banned off twitter, youtube, twitch using their platform terms of service.

>>4954753
it still rubs me the wrong way that if you need art done for a model, the artist who does it has all commercial rights to your subs, donos, and any merch associated with the design
maybe it's just indies and there's no reason these artists go to court over it but jesus that is such a bad deal for the tuber to pay 5k for a model and then not be able to monetize it or the design at all because they paid an artist to work with them on the design
artfags are cancer, you already got paid for your fucking work why do you need to jew even more afterwards on model royalties?

>>4954921
>the artist who does it has all commercial rights to your subs, donos, and any merch associated with the design
>bad deal for the tuber to pay 5k for a model and then not be able to monetize it or the design at all
the fuck are you talking about? your negotiate commercial use rights with the artist and monetize your content. you think indies are paying royalties to artists? are you just trying to be a fucking moron?

Chuuba artists are just conceited fucks riding off the fotm wave
You should scam them in any way that is possible for you

>>4955292
That might get you into some hot water and that's probably not the best way to break into the vtuber scene, as much as I agree with you.

>>4955288
you beat me to it lol idk what that anon is smoking

>>4955288
why do you need to negotiate on top of that?
shouldn't that already be assumed that you want the IP, monetization, and derivative works rights when you commission a model or design from a character designer?

>>4955427
>shouldn't that already be assumed that you want the IP, monetization, and derivative works rights when you commission a model or design from a character designer?
no.

>>4955288
>I designed a character you paid me to design
>I get to keep all merch rights and get the ability to yoink your channel whenever I want unless you pay me extra
what are artists fucking smoking lol?

People should go out and find artists for designs that aren't selling it as vtubers. The fotm chasers highly inflate their prices.

ah, i see. it's the morons from the back room coming in and being intentionally obtuse to show off how dumb they are. i'll check back here later, good luck /asp/ies.

>>4955459
why not?
>get paid to design and rig character
>rig character
>give to person
>they pay you for your work
>you still get to keep all monetization on the character even though they paid you for it
???

alright so who are the butthurt artists ITT so I can avoid commissioning from their entitled asses?

>>4955473
i mean it happened to project melody

>>4955473
They can't decide if they are providing an end product or a service so they chose whichever when it's convenient

>>4954753
the girl posted
>is charging 2,000 for an "experimental model"
>has 0 experience rigging male characters
>is charging and extra design fee
>wants to keep all IP rights to the character
>wants to keep all monetization rights to the model
>wants to prevent all derivative works "videos and streams are derivative works" from the model
explain to me exactly how this is not just a completely useless endeavor
why would I pay 2,000 dollars plus a 500+ design fee for a character I can't monetize in any way and need to beg the artist to use for almost anything since I don't have derivative works permissions?

sometimes I think these artist commissions pages don't even think about the legal ramifications of the things they put in them, they just copy someone else's and think claiming everything will protect them. They're as bad as the Japanese 3d modelers who make MMD models and attach notices and issue takedowns if you use it outside of MMD

>>4955503
very true, though just for 2d artists
3d modelers are a different story since a lot of the popular iPhone tracking needs to be specifically rigged into the model and not every modeler has experience with those

>>4954255
Except I was making that comparison because it looks like this new artist includes art with the rigging. That makes a noticeable difference in cost. And for IV I'm not sure if you really can get one for as low as $2000 since that would be absolute bottom tier of their services and I'm not sure they'd actually accept a job looking that low. And now you literally can't even get an IV rig done until next year at best so everyone else is feeling free to raise their prices to fill that gap. We're going to see a lot of shit riggers aim for prices outside what they should be charging.

I'm in no means saying this girl is worth the cost, just that $1800 including art isn't near realistic IV prices.

>>4955503
There is some consideration needed for doing art for a vtuber model, it isn't the same as doing a flat design. Sure, they can be cut apart by good riggers and worked with, but you'll probably pay extra.

>>4953502
you'd know if you had ever put effort into making something yourself anon

>>4954187
the ones that fill up the first couple of pages are all paid shit. $9.99 for sheet music of "Can you feel the love tonight" and other extortion tier bs like that.

>>4956783
For popular shit you gotta do some digging.

>>4956783
yeah it's not going to be easy, idk what they were thinking asking you to google, all the top results are just gonna get axed by DMCA

Does anyone have any tips for character design? I want to design my own model but I don't know where to start, thanks in advance

>>4957029
>>4957799
Guessing it's easier to get by the copyright algorithm with the ukelele than it is for piano songs? Gonna take some more time to keep searching for it, I guess. Thanks anons.

>>4956783
try musescore?

>>4958439
for a lot of uke streams, I assume people are using websites like chordify or ultimate guitar to get the chords. Both those websites can list out the piano version of the chords but both sites do require a yearly subscription

>>4955427
>>4955473
>>4955580
There's a difference of drawing some dude's D&D character so he can have a picture to print on his character sheet or put on his campaing journal/blog; a cover for a fanfic; or a fanart of your crappy OC; and creating from the ground up a character design that will be used for commercial gain.

First, ideas are rather irrelevant by themselves, they're dime a dozen and are not protected by copyright, patents or trademarks, what is valuable and protected is the expression of those ideas. So your shitty idea for the 5000th pink-haired schoolgirl, 3000th monster-girl variation or 1000th spike-haired sword-wielding isekai protagonist have zero value by themselves until they're given proper written (a script, a draft, a proper design document) and/or visual form.

Second, design implies a a greater effort work (research, multiple drafts), back and forth, revisions, etc and also involves a greater creative effort that gives shape and expression to an idea that can be valuable - and you all recognize how important is a good character design.

The expression of the design is 100% the creation of the artists and so he owns unalienable moral rights to that specific character design, as well its commercial rights - as established in copyright law all the way back to the Berne convention. When you want to exploit that one design commercially, you are asking the artist to cede you his rights over the design, something that, by your own admission, you view as valuable. Also, if you're going to potentially be commercially exploiting the design (i.e. not only super chats, but you can just turn the design, even if under different styles like chibi, into products such as mugs and t-shirts) and generate even further dividends, the service demands a higher fee.

As such, it makes sense that if you're not negotiating royalties (which, if you're not a partner in the project or working under a company it's, in most cases, not worth it) you may ask for a higher upfront fee to pay for the time, effort, the transfer of valuable rights and a token measure of the potential earnings that design can make.

>>4958859
>has no value till they're given proper form
yes and you are being paid time + materials to do this
you don't get to double dip and both get paid to create something then get to profit off it forever because you refuse to give the rights to someone's own fucking vtuber avatar unless they give you your extra price

that anon is right you're just trying to pick and choose what you want. You're trying to have the best of both worlds about whether you're being paid for a service or a product. Pick one faggot you can't eat your cake and have it too

hey, can anons stop taking the bait? thanks a lot.

>>4959149
you're right I should have just left the butthurt entitled artfags to rage

>>4958711
This works, and it's only $30 for an annual sub, with a free trial. Gonna try and download all the sheet music I can with the trial, but I can afford $30 for a year long sub. Thanks for this, anon.

>>4959110
Not him but its pretty standard in commercial illustration/design work for "ownership of final product and source files" to be a separate price point. Its just up to the person purchasing to ensure if thats included or a separate cost. The problem is that most people getting into vtubing, and many of those providing the services, aren't exactly "professional" and thus don't know to specifically lay out the terms of agreement.

>>4959500
just put the fucking rights in the model cost idk how hard that is
unless you're notarizing this and formalizing in a contract it doesn't matter anyway
artists just seem to want to throw a tantrum and see what they can squeeze out after the fact

If I wanted to recreate my MMO character as an avatar, would your recommend starting 2D or since they're already styled, 360 modeled and designed, going for a 3d model commission? Their "gear" is a nice dress, not giant shoulder pads, helmet, etc.

I have tried exporting them and setting them up for rigging/vrchat. However, the model looks off when out of engine and I have no clue about adding mouth and facial tracking. I'd like to hand off a bunch of reference shots and model if needed and have someone make a new working avatar.

I tried looking at the pastebin, but is there a recommended group or site aside from Fiverr? I messed with Vroid, but getting extra details added in blender is out of my wheelhouse. Thanks!

>>4959869
I would imagine there are licensing issues with doing that since theoretically the developers/publisher for said MMO would own the rights to the models used ingame.

>>4959962
I guess I should rephrase. Based on my MMO character. Not an exact clone, but something very close with higher quality and pretty close to them. Maybe starting 2D would be a better dip to make sure it's different and unique?

>>4959110
Time and materials are menial compared the rights and aggregated value of the work, this is not the Renaissance anymore - everyone knows this, which is why companies have pretty exhaustive work-for-hire contracts and pay higher rates for that kind of work. This is common practice, settled by legal precedent, in the world of commercial art and creative industries.

Besides, you're safeguarding yourself paying for the rights of commercial use, otherwise if you can expect the real potential of a lawsuit that you not succeed fighting against (hint: Disney's notorious lawyers that everyone in the entertainment industry is afraid of immediately decided to settle when the lawsuit moved by Jack Kirby's estate over royalties the moment the higher courts agreed to a hearing) or, these days, a DMCA claim.

>you don't get to double dip and both get paid to create something then get to profit off it forever because you refuse to give the rights to someone's own fucking vtuber avatar unless they give you your extra price

There's no double-dipping, the artists usually make it pretty clear: they either accept commercial commissions or not and the ones that do have different rates for it. Be upfront about your intentions, pay their full quote, save your e-mails and receipts and and you have full control over it and are safe in case of a bad actor decides to come after you like it happened to Project Melody.

I have no idea why you are sperging over something this simple.

>4960469
hey, anon. please. stop taking the bait.

>>4960469
Because it sprung out of a retarded modeler saying she keeps all commercial rights to her commissioned models
She appears to be itt though because she already changed her commission guidelines on her site to give up up and commercial rights on live 2d models
>Lawsuits
If you're not signing a notarized contract it isn't worth shit let's be honest
I've been hewed out if so many commissions with no refund that I know you have basically no recourse when someone breaks a Twitter commission "contract" on either end besides bitching

>>4959869
>>4960150
If you're going to hand it to an artist to create a final design, make at basic 2d drawing, so the artists can have an idea of what he'll have to create - that will be far more important. Maybe actual photos pulled from the internet that can serve as basis for the dress, etc.

For the reference shots in 3d, you don't exactly need it to be fully rigged for expressions. T-posing is enough. If you can use in-game engine for things emotes and etc, it'll be more than enough - and more than what people normally give.

>>4960630
cry me a fucking river faggot, you ragequit the thread once already just do it again

>>4960630
Anon, sometimes the point of taking bait is not to beat the fisherman, but give useful information for the other fish. But I'll take your advice.

Honestly, you all have to start taking legality implied contracts seriously if you are getting into this. Most artists wont raise any shit, but its always best that you have the agreement down pat right off the bat so no one on either side can start any shit. It's just good sense. And if you dont like that an artist is charging extra for complete ownership of a design, you can go elsewhere. Though some artists are idiots about the pricing for such. And if they dont have any option for you to own the design you should probably stay away, that just sounds like trouble. It may be a pointless discussion right now (as the source of it is a literal nobody artist that probably is overcharging to fuck), but it is a consideration you need to make. If you are taking this serious, you have to treat this like a proper business. Dot your t's and cross your i's, as it were.

>>4961083
if it's not notarized and drafted by a lawyer it isn't worth shit
I don't see many twitter commission artists talking about getting contracts notarized

>>4958313
Search things of your interest, get inspiration from media, get a lot of reference material and put together a mood board (all images, colors, doodles and text you have found or created) as first starting point. Then check out some Youtube tutorials of some popular artist channels explaining how they do it.
Anyhow for further inspirational help perhaps some of these links of mine will help

Generate a character and redraw it properly in your liking
- https://waifulabs.com/
- https://charat.me/

Learn a bit about Gods, fairy tales, urban legends and classic mythology, perhaps (heavily) base your character on them
- https://www.godchecker.com/
- http://yokai.com
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_legendary_creatures_by_type
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fairy_tales

Color schemes
- https://color.adobe.com/create/color-wheel
- http://colormind.io/
- https://coolors.co/

So at last but not least some miscellaneous sites:
- https://powerlisting.fandom.com
- https://tvtropes.org/
- https://animals.fandom.com/wiki/Main_Page
- https://japari-library.com/wiki/List_of_Friends
- https://monstergirlencyclopedia.fandom.com/wiki/Monster_Girls

Also a disclaimer; do not take it for granted that only anime girls/boys with animal features are a thing, because they are the most popular, think outside the box, there is more room for moe-anthropomorphism based on things such as weapons and ships like gacha games do it, furries, non-humanoids, eldritch abomination, flying hamburgers and everything in between.
Just because you are maybe a straight guy, you don't need to be an anime version of yourself in a hoodie as vtuber avatar, you can be literally everything if you ignore fame and trends. This is the monkey paw catch everyone has to pay who is doing their own thing.

>he's still feeding the backroom troll

>>4960685
It's frankly not worth it because the legal system is costly, but:

>If you're not signing a notarized contract
You don't need a notarized contract, anon.
It has been truth for a while thanks to e-commerce and all the freelance work that moved online, and more than never in this post-covid world.
Put your terms (have a lawyer draft them for you) on an e-mail and write that if the person agrees with it they should reply with "I agree" and their data (such as name, etc) and maybe the receipt of the payment the initial fee, to make clear a commercial relationship has been established.
It will hold up in court in most civilized world (particularly common-law countries such as the US and UK) as long as the terms don't break the law. That's what my lawyer told me, at least, check it with yours.

>I've been hewed out if so many commissions with no refund
That's why you make sure you get get paid before you deliver.
I just usually asked for upfront payment on low value commissions, but in the rare the rare occasions I did opened slots for more expensive commissions I offered three options:
- 100% upfront, as soon as agreed
- 50% upfront and 50% upon completion before delivering the final product.
- 1/3 upfront, 1/3 upon approval and 1/3 upon completion but before the delivery of the final product.
The people who paid usually liked the two options, because they understood there would be ongoing communication and if they wanted to back out it would no be a complete loss for them either (since I offered no refunds).

>You have basically no recourse when someone breaks a Twitter commission "contract" on either end besides bitching
But you do have. Your only problem will be the fact that legal system takes forever and is a money sink, but you have recourse - and if your lawyer says you don't, seek a new one immediately.
Print the negotiation/commission e-mails, print the paypal receipts, archive and print the proof of violation, print your communication with the person informing that they're breaking the agreement and their refusal to right the wrong and seek a lawyer - sometimes just a nice C&D letter is enough to scare them.
Depending on what it is, you may also use the DMCA and if they let them make fools of themselves if they decide to sue over the notice.

>>4958313
Stick to a clear theme and find something that can give you a unique silhouette; usually asymmetry is done for this reason. Try not to over design it, and try not to make your theme something that isn't accessible. I'm certain there's a niche for a Punic War era Carthaginian soldier vtuber, but if the design is going to be lost on the majority of people you need to ask yourself if you want to go that route.

Sup guys! I'm gonna play some Red Alert 2 on stream. Come on by if you guys wanna hang out! If you're a V-Tuber, I'd be down to collab too!

https://www.youtube.com/illreviewanything
https://www.twitch.tv/illreviewanything

TIL some anons still don't understand how commercial work works. How tf do you think your F/GO characters get their art, same shit.
On another note, my artist is working on my second draft so that's hype

>>4964747
I'm in the horrible waiting period while my artist works on the illustration. Also waiting and hoping to hear back from Iron Vertex, though the chances of that are slim. Still hoping beyond hope that I get chosen from the hugeass list of submissions they got. Waiting is painful.

>>4964747
no I just have dealt with other types of commission and freelance work and I definitely do not get the same luxuries artfags get
everyone on this board is pissy at the NKODice dev for DMCAing Oga after he made an exact copy of the game in RPGMaker and monetized it.
apparently it's ok to not hand over the rights to the live 2d model you were commissioned to make for a vtuber but don't you dare try to claim your rightful IP control on a game you created

but it's probably a combination or trolls shitposting, acting like they're lawyers, and not considering anything except art worth commissioning

>>4964840
I guess technically I'm in the hell waiting period too, but I try to keep in contact with my artist every once in awhile
>>4964879
idk anything about the NKODice thing, but after a quick google, I don't know how anyone thinks they own the concept of chinchorin

>>4961713
ty anon, will try em out

>>4962380
thanks for the advice!

>>4964879
I won't count that fangame as an exact copy as the gameplay is different. Also the main reason the dev got angry is because Oga remove an element from the original game and not because he's copying it. He even said he's fine with fangame and streaming it as long as it's fun.

>>4951884
>>4953255
>>4953793
>>4954820
Thank you for the suggestions. I think I need to reconsider the character more completely before attempting to design something. I definitely should have read these threads first, before trying to come up with anything, because there's definitely a lot of good advice.

>>4967323
>not an exact copy
>literally uses the same name
>literally just recreated the game but with a few things removed
I guess I shouldn't expect anything more from trolls who have been trying to bait this time but fucking come on. complete hypocrisy from what you've been bitching about with regards to artists rights all goddamn night

Is there an asp discord, I'd much prefer it to posting here

>>4969434
if you really are a chuuba, you should know the procedure for getting an invite to the /asp/cord. otherwise, you're assumed to be a backroom troll from the trash can

>>4969862
>If you know you know
Ok fine keep to your retardation then

>>4969931
it's fine there are definitely streamers itt who aren't in that circlejerk
it's pretty safe to just ignore it

it's kinda cute how obvious you backroom trash make yourselves

4969979
try harder retard troll

>>4969979
I came from /wvt/ but this circlejerking retardation is too much for me I guess

>>4969862
nta but what an awful response. Know the procedure? I've only ever heard of this discord here, what more "secret knowledge" do you need to know. No one wants to play along with stupid games just to get some communication. It comes across as really cringeworthy and pedantic when a bunch of 10 viewer chuubas are trying to gatekeep. Really?

>>4970116
I don't even know what the fucking backroom boogeyman you autists keep mentioning is.

>>4970116
basically there's a "secret" discord all the regulars are in and they only invite the bigger names known to browse /here/
basically a circlejerk. Like I said you can pretty safely ignore it unless you really care about collabing with a bunch of shitposters who cry about what's posted itt constantly or try to groom whatever newest female indie crosses their radar

>>4970195
Sounds about right. I only ever lurk here but that one post was so stupid I couldn't help but respond.

>>4970116
you could start by making content so anons know you're a chuuba and not just a shitbag?

I mean, just looking at the language you're using here and how much of a manchild tantrum you're throwing, probably for the best you don't know how to get in, kek.

>>4970294
>>4970347
Not even interested in getting in. Like I said, I only ever lurk.

>>4970414
Last few who just lurked got kicked out of the server pretty quick.

>>4970414
it's not that hard to get in just stream, shill yourself occasionally and then some groomer from there will DM you a link if they hang out in your chat
if you're a streamer with ambitions past 4chan though it might not be a good idea to join though since they're all smaller channels with a crabs in a bucket mentality

>>4970467
>>4970463
What part of not interested in joining wasn't clear? I know lurkers get kicked. The hypocrisy of calling someone a manchild for shittalking your extremely cool, extremely secret club is astounding.

>>4970607
then why are you still replying to him?

>>4970635
People like calling out stupid shit.

>>4970195
there's a bunch of chuubas that haven't even started that nobody knows in there and there aren't really any big names in there. i'm pretty sure the person in that server with the biggest following isn't even talked about /here/
>>4970467
this one's just weird the people in there are very supportive of one another

it's just some anti from /trash/ who wants to troll chuubas and get them to say some gamer words. they're not actually a chuuba which is why they don't understand that /asp/ies are weirdly supportive of each other.

i've done rigs and art for many other indietubers but im not sure yet whether to debut on my own. firstly, my setup is dogwater, bahaha, can't run any triple a games. but a chimera can dream, right?

>>4970116
For what is worth, anyone on an anonymous vietnamese cartoon memeboard peddling a sikrit klub discord as if it was anything special is not worth of consideration.

>>4970467
Which reinforces the common sense advice: stay anonymous; ignore the schizos; use throwaway accounts to get feedback; and avoid being associated with this place as much as possible - unless you're okay with this association rearing its ugly head sometime in the future to haunt you because western vtubers cliques are like jealous high-school girls and try to tear down any crab who leaves the bucket.

>>4970776
More boogeymen. My issue was that this thread, which is supposed to offer help, has devolved into a circlejerking secret club that seemingly needs you to make your way into another layer of circlejerking to get anybody to talk to now. Anyone defending it only likes the idea that they managed to get into this Discord like it's some amazing accomplishment. It's embarrassing really.

>>4971034
what part of
>ignore schizos
do you not get?

>>4970776
>/asp/ies are weirdly supportive of each other.
Because we're all here in this thread for no other reason than to share ideas/advice/critique. There's really nothing to be gained by attacking each other since almost by definition no one in here actually is anyone of note. It's kinda sad to see what this thread has been like, but it will pass as with all other things.

Also, since I hopefully will be getting my completed design by the end of June I have to get off my ass and start filling out all my placeholder social media information with actual proper information. Then plan my first tweet.

>>4971100
You're right. I'll return to lurking now.

>>4970975
even outside of /asp/ since this thread is relatively new, I can't think of a single problem any chuubas have had for selfposting in /wvt/
people like nyaru and picky selfpost regularly and it hasn't been any problem for them

>>4971138
It's only one fucking moron feeding the trolls who was being intentionally obtuse about artists and copyright. Stop feeding the fucking trolls.

>>4970960
If you're the chuuba I'm thinking of, get rid of your voice changer.

>>4970960
if you have a switch, maybe get a capture card and stream switch games?

>>4971201
maybe don't defend an artist who explicitly keeps all commission monetization for tubers, even on commercial commissions then

>>4971426
>don't defend an artist who explicitly keeps all commission monetization for tubers
no artist does this. stop lying.

>>4971461
that was literally the artist posted itt who started the whole discussion
she says she explicitly keeps all IP and monetization rights on live 2d models she rigs in her commission form
then after anons raised a stink she noticed and changed the wording to give up both on live 2d commissions

>>4970960
You don't need triple A games, retrogames are just as valid and may attract a dedicated audience - I know for a fact that there are people who just search for blind playthroughs of Nintendo games (I used to have many people comment on my let's play channel that they enjoyed watching people play stuff like zelda/metroid for the first time and often gave advice and stuck along for that one game, many became dead subs until the next entry of that series was played because that's what they were there for, but a good 5 to 10% depending on the game became regular viewers).

And you're an artist, so there's always an audience for drawing/art streams. If you put some short videos with generic art advice on youtube and invite people to watch your streams you may find yourself with a good vehicle to gain viewers.

>>4971567
fuck that shit, who in the fuck they think they are

1 viewer chuubas, does it give you false hope when someone drops in, just drops a quick comment/hi and leaves?

>>4973711
No it means I won I got their attention

>>4973711
No it's annoying because twitch updates viewer count super slow so I end up talking to them 10inutes after they leave

Hello friends,

I started a discord a while back and started posting it here. It's fair to say it's gone a bit beyond it's original intent and has grown to the point where it's becoming a little chaotic. None of us are especially successful, and sometimes its a little circlejerky, but all in all its been fun.

There's nothing here that can't easily be done again with the talent that is present here. That being said, I really can't do anything now except recommend the creation of a new one. We won't be involved in the inception, and that is our promise.

>discord server brings drama because it devolves in to a circlejerk and "us vs them" mentality

Wow, who could've seen it coming? It's almost like there's a reason discord shilling is looked down on every other part of the site or straight up deleted, except on meme/porn boards like /trash/. I have no idea why /asp/ is so divorced from the rest of the site and the accepted culture here. It's like a little pocket of people who have never been on 4chan before.

>>4962380
>Punic War era Carthaginian soldier
Retrofuture style operator could be a good compromise and easy excuse.

But that doesn't stop Alaric, who is straight up a Visigoth.

>>4958313
>Does anyone have any tips for character design? I want to design my own model but I don't know where to start, thanks in advance

For starters, what music are you into? Be very specific with your answer.

>>4970960
Mainline Nintendo games are a debuff by now.

Is a theme really important? Can't my Vtuber character just be a normal person?

>>4978771
Some people work well with having a deep lore/theme, some don't. I have a normal person and it works well enough because I want to give the impression of being approachable and friendly.

Viewers don't always want to go watch some eldritch dragon girl with giant boobs that roars at everything.

>>4973711
It makes me kick myself thinking "fuck, how could I have handled that better to keep them around"

>>4976086
>recommend the creation of a new one
LOL no thanks

So what's the consensus streaming emulated games?

Can YouTube pick up on those and strike a channel for it or are they safe?

>>4970960
I like your theme. But the design is kinda samey. I know everyone is aysmetrical so maybe be different? Also i think you color scheme is too saturated. Looking at it for a long period of time will hurt you and your viewers eyes.
Also stream some art making / rigging to see if you like it and then slowly invest in better mic / better computer and everything.
Ganbatte chimera-chan

>>4978836
Lore and roleplay sounds very cringe, top streamers don't do that

I think just being a normal guy is the best way

>>4980114
I can only hold them off for so long.

>>4978771
Like half of holo/niji are just "high schooler" so it's not that important. Being able to point at someone and say that they're "the bat" or "the shark" or "the homo in a maid dress" is a nice way to get recognized though.

>>4980744
No one knows if you're running an emulated game if you're using a good, high-accuracy (preferably a cycle-accurate) emulator - Just don't mention it.

I mean, Can you tell if someone is playing FFVI on bSNES/Higan (or even Snes9x) or through the SNES-Mini? No, one can tell.

If you want to be safe:
-Don't mention it.
-Make sure you're using high-accuracy emulator (the emugen wiki is a handy tool for that).
-Save at the natural save spots, no save-scumming.
-Don't open the emulators menus until you end the stream.
-Crop the window's borders on the OBS source if game-capture doesn't work with your emulator.

And if you hope to ever work with the publisher (like, becoming a Nintendo ambassador or joining Bandai Namco's creator program), don't play hacks/modded versions of console games that can only exist due to emulation.

Basically, don't get caught.

>>4984529
Are playing romhacks really that taboo?

>>4981712
>top streamers don't do that
Dr. Direspect does. There are some big Vrchat people and GTA roleplayers that do it too. What's cringy for your average anon may be exactly what appeals to normalfags.

>>4978589
rock-metal and EDM (fav subgenres are psytrance, eurodance, house and some dubstep songs) what for?

>>4984852
Kinda.

While you can backup and modify your game for personal use, the distribution of romhacks isn't legal because ultimately those games are built on code that is proprietary as well unauthorized use of their IP and often the game's original assets (as well the IPs of third-parties, such as Mega Man music for a Mario stage). Romhackers did initially get around it by distributing only the .ips file (or whatever newer standard being used these days) with the modifications but they quickly started distributing infringing content that violate the publishers' IPs and trademarks.

So, it's very much in the interest of publishers to not work with you because you're promoting something that violates their rights as well has close association to and could be seen as promoting piracy.

Nintendo, for example, cracked hard on Project M streaming and monetization starting in 2014 when they got involved with the Smash Bros tournament scene - making it pretty clear that they wouldn't work with and pull the streaming rights from tournaments who streamed the hack/mod on their official streams, and progressively asphyxiated over the next years until it basically disappeared beyond a small community of diehards segregated into their own little ghetto. There's also a strong suspicion that the reason Nintendo dropped some of their biggest ambassadors from their influencer program last year due to one promoting a Zelda Breath of the Wild mod and a few others having streamed/played randomizers.

They may not exactly come after you (like, raocow is still there going strong for 13 years), but it may be something that keeps them from working with you - so you are closing those doors for yourself. If you value potential future sponsorships, avoid romhacks and don't get caught emulating.

>>4984852
I'm pretty sure simpleflips plays a fuckton of sm64 hacks and is a big streamer so you should be fine

>>4970195

hey guys, i made a new discord server. you dont have to join it, but it would be nice to have other /asp/ies in. since it's fairly new, it should be relatively.....normal.

i do live2d rigging and art, you can ask for advice there! it's my first server, pls understand im not super discord-saavy.

https://discord.gg/yDF4TcmZ

>>4981624
arigato for advice. i lowered the saturation.

fuck off with your discord server

>>4964394
your actual model is nothing like that artwork

pretty disappointing

also where is your dick?

Any tips on poorfag sound proofing? I've been thinking of pngtubing for fun but I'm worried about how loud my home is. Lots of car noises, ambulances, dog barking, people yelling outside, etc.at any given time.

>>4992944
Are the sounds actually picked up by the microphone? Do an ambient sound test with your mic without touching the gain and play it back at 100% volume and see if it's even noticeable. if it is, drop the gain until it's not. after that, do a voice test to see what you sound like at that gain level.

>>4992944
Filters in OBS
Most important is a noise gate, play with it so it doesn't go off for keyboard and other noises but does for your voice
You may have to talk slightly louder than normal to get above it consistently and not drop mid sentence

>>4993035
>>4993042
Thanks! I'll give that a try.

>>4992701
New model coming at the end of the month, that is the new model sheet. Why would you ask where my dick is anon? Are you...interested?

thinking about bein a choober but havent decided on what my avy should look. my mic is an XLR setup from 2013 so idk if it's still good enough but here's a clip of it
https://files.catbox.moe/m98xaj.mp4

>>4994263
sounds fine

>>4994228
Yes, I want to suck it off. Now where is it?

>>4994263
it's a tad more bassy than most but it works in your favor since you have a deepish voice

>>4970027
do u even know how to 4chan?

How can I avoid being silent and awkward?

Any tips?

>>4994508
write down a list of topics to discuss and just ramble about it outloud, moving onto the next topic when you're done with the first

>>4994508
if you need to ask this you shouldn't be streaming.

https://lofigirl.com/pages/use-the-music

Do you find ESL vtubers cute?

>>4994508
can't help you, I got into streaming for the exact opposite
I was awkward and sucked at small talk and streaming dumps me into a comfortable environment with games I like and lets me practice small talk to people who do not and will not ever see me again so if I fuck up who cares

>>4994691
Yes but there's a limit to it.

>>4994711
You're gonna make it. You'll improve your skills.

What's better overall for streaming, OBS Studio, or Streamlabs OBS? I've been using OBS Studio, which seems to work better with my face tracking software, but at a glance Streamlabs seems simpler for actually adding in widgets and other stuff.

>>4996412
obs

I NEED MY FUCKING MODEL TO BE DONE ALREADY!!!

>>4996412
Streamlabs OBS is easier to use out of the box but OBS studio has more control
the major advantage streamlabs gives is it has streamlabs integration built in so you just drag and drop in an alert box or chat box and it's in there

>>4996412
streamlabs obs is garbage and way more taxing on your computer to run

https://store.steampowered.com/app/297130/Titan_Souls/
free game

hello friends! to any aspiring chuubas out there, i made and rigged this model as practice, and i'm lookin to sell it! i know it's not the best, but it certainly is usable (i've done an hour long test stream with it).

i can drop my disc/email if anyone would be interested in it!!

>>5002151
ears seem a bit stiff, but she's cute, if a little too symmetrical.
based
r*gger

>>5002606
yeah the ears have no movement other than movement with the head's rotation because i got so burnt out and wanted to wrap it up as quickly as i could haha.
but thank you! the next model i'm working on is a little bit less symmetrical :]

>>5002151
cute. practice head turns (45* angles) and separate physics for independent clumps of hair.

>>5002151
I saw lily using that same bg, where do people get these?

>>5002709
thanks! i will definitely try to add in more of "3d"
and fluid movements with the next model! :}
>>5002896
it's one of the BGs that come with vtube studio

>>5002151
This is very uncanny. The stripes on face are supposed to come right from the corners of the eye's, but when she blinks the stripes are detached.
The skin is supposed to stretch, but I imagine it'd be hard to do. You can just remove them. Even though it's a notable feature of the animal, having such face tattoo is just wired.

Is there a market for chuubas that don't do the streaming thing but more so planned and edited, maybe storybased videos?

>>5003105
i thought of removing them as well, but i asked some friends for opinions and they told me that i should keep em. honestly it wouldn’t be too difficult to edit the rigging to have the stripes stretch, but it might just look unnatural? idk
the stripes are their own layer on the .psd and .cmo3(?) file though, so they would be very easy to remove if her future owner would want to

>>5003128
Kizuna AI started out that way, so yes. but if you're wannabe lore based cartoon character anon from last time, fuck off. go pitch your cartoon show to Netflix, don't waste your time a vtuber.

>>5003842
>Kizuna AI started out that way, so yes.
Ai also changed to focus on streaming as the pre-recorded stuff doesn't work as well anymore.

>>5003988
Anon,... TikTok is literally built on the core idea of bite sized pre-recorded content.

>>5004035
Yes, and that's the thing. "Bite-sized". Even "shorts" videos on YouTube still do well, but actual full length long-form video isn't doing nearly as well as it used to.

>>5004125
>but actual full length long-form video isn't doing nearly as well as it used to.
then don't do those. simple as. but just a blanket statement that pre-recorded stuff doesn't do as well as livestreaming is wrong.

is it a waste of time to become a vtuber not for money?
I want to make videos about games I like and I'm prepared to not have any viewers. I have no talents that would set me apart much unfortunately. And if people come by it will bw nice ofc.

>>5004787
If you are having fun, it's never a waste of time.

>>5004787
are you having fun? if yes, then it's not a waste of time.

>>5004824
>>5004829
thanks bros

>>5004829
>>5004824
this is the thing to consider
even is people try to come in and call you an ngmi just remember that some people are doing it for the fun of it and not to build a career out of it

>>5005629
no one just makes a career out of it
even the pros now didn't start out in it for money
they all made videos and streamed for years before it was even viable to quit their day job
hell, Mori literally had a day job half the time she was signed with hololive because she lived in a fucking tiny ass apartment with no space for a desk

>>5005734
well of course not, but that doesn't mean there aren't people who go all in thinking they'll be able to get big growth and incline really fast and end up disappointed when that doesn't happen

>>5005734
Mori was already an indie rapper with a career aspiration though, she planned for this

>>5005734
>>5005629
on one hand yeah, on the other why would anyone go into this not expecting spotlight even a little? noone joins a band and limits their dreams by pub gigs.

>>5005964
it's about reasonable expectations, not everyone is guaranteed to make it even after putting in the effort, but anyone who does make it does not make it without a period of at least 1-2 years where they work extremely hard on it as a side gig while working a day job
the "you need to enojy it" or "treat it like a hobby" is to stop people from doing well, not seeing the growth they want, and getting so discouraged they ragequit

>>5006041
huh. didn't think of it that way. Thank you for teaching me a new perspective.

>>5005877
What? She applied not expecting to get the position and straight up said she thought she'd be hated by everyone and would top out at 300k subs at most, and figured she'd just be doing it as a part time job for a while before graduating. Her rapping career was her main focus (though it wasn't making money either) until she realized she was pulling large numbers in streaming and could produce music under her new name.

>>5005964
Its more like getting into music just for the sake of making music. If you happen to make money or get a career out of it, great, but that wasn't your focus at the start. That's how I'm doing it, myself. I already have a decently well paying job, a house, settled down and all that. I'm just starting up vtubing because I want to do it even if it makes no money. And like >>5006041 said, if you're in it purely for the money you're gonna burn out fast seeing no progress.

>>5006143
what will the wife and kids say, man?

>vtuber
>wife and kids
>in this economy

>>5006417
well he got a house

>>5006358
nta but I just vtube with my wife, simple

>>5006358
No kids, and my partner also watches vtubers amongst other weeb shit (actually they're probably more far gone than I am). Gonna be re-doing a room in the house we aren't really using much to make as a 'streaming office' anyway.

the best art route is
>get a cheap render of your character from twitter
>drop it into skeb for japanese skilled flair
>take the skeb to a live2d artist as a reference
>get finalized live2d art done in the style you want

Time for another impromptu Tarot stream. Lets see how many uncle ted references I drop this time.

>>5006417
There's a manga about that.

>>5008739
The English on this so so fucking confusing

>>5010213
Everyone who watches the MC's mom's streams is convinced she's an old man with a voice changer.

>>4994508
Get into the habit of commentating what you're doing and speaking your thoughts out loud. Hum a song or make one up on the fly so at least youve got noise going.

>>5008690
Why does everything divination-related bring out the people with relationship issues? I guess I'll have to get used to it if I'm going to go the /x/ chuuba route, but most of it doesn't even need tarot cards to answer.

getting my model worked feels like it's put everything on pause. thumbnail is still my old reference png. don't want to commission any art with that because it's quite a bit different from my final model.

>>4973711
I don't usually acknowledge them until they say something, got better shit to do

>>5013817
Consider what divination really is.
You're not reading the future, you're just offering a new perspective on the present. Tarot cards in particular force you to think about the question in specific, guided ways and come to a judgment.

And what's usually the #1 issue on people's mind in the present moment?
>tfw no gf

>>4973711
do not under any circumstances acknowledge someone in your chat until they talk to you
that really creeps them out if they pop in ur chat and you instantly say hi before they talk

>>5014415
Yes, but I really hope that person who admitted to being a cuck expected anything other than "fucking leave her and grow a pair" because that's what the cards said.

On the plus side I had a new record for different viewers in a stream.

>>5014789
This. Let lurkers lurk. You call out lurkers and you soon wont have any lurkers. They're just free stat padding, you should leave them be. Once someone starts talking, then you engage with them to keep them here.

>>4973711
I purposely keep my current viewcount hidden from myself, so I'm forced to keep talking because I never know when someone might be watching.
When someone just drops a "hi" in chat I usually respond with a "welcome/enjoy the stream/appreciate you stopping by" or something along those lines, then if they keep talking I try to keep that going, if they don't I just go back to doing what I was previously.

>>5015035
Twitch has started ignoring lurkers in chat when it comes to data so it's not quite stat padding anymore.

>>5016514
[citation needed]

>>5016514
Source on this? I know that 'active chatters' is a separate stat, but lurkers still count for concurrent viewers as far as I know.

>>5016613
>>5016609
I saw a post about it, and I can't find it, so I'm probably just talking out my ass. But I remember people complaining about something to that effect around the same time all the new tags showed up.

>>5017157
are you talking about
https://twitter.com/Fugiman/status/1401051025516101632?s=19

>>5018184
I don't think it was that but probably in response to one of them. My god is he a passive aggressive dick though.

Should I advert here?

>>5018378
that's because as a developer on twitch, he's seen millions of 2view no-names coming up with conspiracy theories about why their viewer count is so low (instead of accepting that their content is garbo). of course he's pissed off at seeing it for the millionth time.

>>5018393
no, take it to /wvt/. this is for tech advice, perspective, and how to get started as a chuuba.

>>5017157
I'd imagine any change to how lurkers are handled would have to be a major announcement from Twitch because that's a huge segment of twitch's viewership.

>>5018393
Probably not. If you really want to, maybe consider /wvt/ or something. This is more for pre-debut vtubers and such.

>>5018433
>>5018455
Feel free to call me a retard for being wrong then, I can take it.

>>5018581
You're not a retard, just didn't have the full picture or misremembered something. Shit happens.

>>5018581
No, not gonna do that. You're just someone that fell for stuff they read online about twitch. Not like twitch is any good at informing people about changes anyway.

Been messing around with a voice pitch app and figured out why I was so off key. If I can get a way to transpose some songs to the correct key, I'll be well set for karaoke.

Omal is lagging hard by just playing Jantama...

>>5019521
that's gay just sing off key like everyone else

I've seen some dude that literally paid for every single thing stream related (model, badges, sub emotes, etc) and streams for 1 viewer for like 5 or more hours. Can't "pay" to be entertaining, I guess

>>5029749
Yeah, the ship when you could have gotten away with it sailed a couple of weeks after HoloEN debut'd. You can't get away with it anymore. There are so many vtubers out there that you've gotta be entertaining because someone else can always out-spend you.

>>5029749
That's unthinkable. Even I can get at least three or four viewers for an hour long stream, and my avatar is literally amateur drawn rigged by an absolute luddite.

>>5029749
Only way you'd be able to get views with money right now would be to get a crazy popular/controversial artist like Azanagi or Bosshi to make your model and ride off of that for as long as it lasts. It wouldn't be long without being decent entertainment though.

>>5029749
you would be better off paying for a slightly nice live 2d model and then some viewbots to jumpstart your viewership than that

>>5029749
What kind of model does he have, an ikemen, a very feminine "man" or boy or anime isekai hero #23937847?

Gosh, I hope all this seething about techwear jackets is just one schizo.

But just in case, what can you people suggest to spice up a techwear jacket? Maybe suggest substitutes or add to the mix?

>>5036853
Add splashes of colour, maybe chains, charms, just something that gives it that key thats visually appealing to look at

>>5036853
The problem with those kind of jackets is that they're overused and look too similar which means that you'd just end up lost in an ocean of similar looking chuubas.

JWU and My angelic oshi is singing https://youtu.be/9Wnb7wCdhPM

where are the black chuuba wannabes

Is starting off with a game that could take multiple streams a bad idea?

>>5036853
pic related, hana macchia from nijisanji
belts, straps, buckles, etc.

>>5041883
>wannabes
?

>>5042558
don't stream JPRGs if that's what you're asking. titanfall 2 was fine for most since it's straightforward and fairly fast paced. depends on the game really

>>5042558
Have two games, one you can just play single sessions (like a battle royale/fps), and one that's a continued playthrough - this way you get around the debuff.

>>5036853
Tech jackets are quickly becoming overdone because of Arknights becoming popular and its association with that aesthetic, but then everything is overdone in the vtuber niche, so don't sweat over it.

Learning korean with duolingo as stream content
Y/N?

>>5047950
it's not really good for attracting viewers but having fun with viewers you already have.

>>4994691
yes, but not if they sound like they don't speak English.The lowest level of "bad at english" I can tolerate is probably Kiara, but I am biased against German accents.

I've kind of wanted to do crafting as part of my streams, but I'm not really sure about the best way to integrate that into a vtuber stream. Should I have a second camera showing my hands, or just describe what I'm doing with the occasional pictures?

>>5050142
camera with hands

>>5050142
If you're ok with showing hands definitely the camera.

>>5050157
Honestly my hands are usually pretty beaten up from leather dye and other chemicals, so gloves will probably be a given. They'll just have to be nice gloves so I can still handle sewing needles and stuff.

>>5050142
I've seen the two made.
Hand with camera's become more about the process and the thing being build itself.
Pictures while you talk is more like a zatsudan about the topic/the hobby of crafting.

>>5050323
yeah, one camera for chuuba capture, one for hands
A couple of vtubers have done that stuff like Haachama and Kiara, and if you look at indies from here, Caleb Horus has been doing some craft streams recently as well

Hi there, sorry to bother but
I've noticed, a lot of people are on the right side, like they're chilling on the right side of the stream. But I like chilling on the bottom left. I was thinking of re-doing my layout in the future, cause I'm playing around with some design changes myself.

>>5051691
either works, it's just preference

>>5051849
Ah okay! It's just something I noticed. And I felt like the odd one out.

>>5050962
>>5050974
I'll probably go this route then. I'll have to find a good pair of gloves, and given that my arms are going to most likely end up in frame I might as well make a copy of the blouse my avatar wears.

I've done a couple streams where I chat while sewing, with the occasional progress picture, but it's always felt slightly awkward.

>>5051691
>>5051849
People are typically on the right side because it's next to the chat on youtube and twitch, otherwise people's eyes are darting from both sides of the screen to look at both

>>5051691
one reason you might want to be on the right side is that on Twitch when you're browsing the channels, the viewcount is on the bottom left of the thumbnail which would cover up your avatar
however I don't think it should be something to worry about, so it's really up to personal preference

>>5045333
her arms are way too short

How fast do people usually gain subscribers after starting?

>>5062311
Depends on how you're networking really

>>5062311
there is literally no good answer
are you a social media whiz and know some people with clout? really fucking fast
Are you an entirely new channel who has never gone viral before on any platform? going to take a decent time before you start any kind of momentum

can we call them aspies for short?

>>5063315
/wvt/ has been for the better part of 2 months

>>5063315
That's kinda the joke

>>5063315
that's why the thread is called that

>>5062311
Close your eyes and just stream and have fun bro

>>5065468
I guess the main reason for asking is my primary format now relies on having viewers asking questions, since I've started streaming Tarot readings.

>>5067349
have back up content that's self sufficient

>>5067349
If you're unsure of having enough live viewers you could try taking anonymous requests off stream with something like marshmallow or curiouscat.

>>5067703
That would be a good idea, I've noticed people have a tendency of deleting their questions after I answer them. I mean, I don't really know how to tell them that it gets picked up in the stream recording that gets posted anyways, but an extra layer of anonymity might be helpful.

Are setting up reactive pngs for pngtubing worth it? Not sure if it's distracting or necessary

>>5069330
takes like 5 minutes to set up via discord.

>>5069330
I mean, its the only way to make a pngtube actually... active. Otherwise its just a random image the screen. Up to you though.

>>5069330
Look up veadotube

Has anyone here tried PNGTubie? How were the results compared to the Discord reactive images?

>>5071557
>PNGTubie
looks like the exact same thing that Discord reactive does but as a standalone program.

>did vtubing for a small while last year
>stopped because no reason just lazy even though I was growing decently
>think ill just get back to it when im motivated again
>8 months pass
>maybe ill pick it back up
>check the old discord vtuber account
>some people I was surface level friends with back then doing collabs and things like that have become very successful with 50k or more followers (some even fucking more)
>most just inactive or still no success though especially the males kek sorry meme's true though
>ghosted everyone since I left without warning
>many messages like "hey where are you"
>me just still on /vt/ and done nothing in 8 months
s-sugoi...

not gonna bother them with phony messages of congratulations, but im truly happy for them
just gonna kill my vtuber character and start again!

>>5072406
good luck anon!

>>5072596
thank you, good luck you too if youre vtuber too