/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>49560179
I just don't watch male vtuber.

>>49560179
They want something to be mad about and have no form of power or control in their real lives so they resort to getting jealous of people that are actually close to the girls and lashing out and whining as a way to feel justified and feel like they have some sort of control.

>>49560233
That's fine. Anon is talking about the seething faggots.

>>49560179
>lurked long
>do not understand
Shouldn't be your concern, sister

I hate when femoid streamers interact with my husbando, he's mine!

I'm not as autistic as some fags on this board can get but when a girl streams, I enjoy watching her stream and talk about whatever. When she streams with a male, I do get upset, but not really with her or the male, instead at myself because it reminds me that I'm so lonely I resort to streamers (virtual ones at that) for friendship, because my brain tries to see myself in the males' position. In other words, when a male gets involved, I'm reminded of my own failures as a human.

>>49560466
I'm a 24 year old white guy, try again

>>49560548
This should be the response if they're a real person. Not people LARPing as anime characters

My problems with it
1) If they're flirting on stream.
Should not be allowed under any circumstances. The problem is that once you have a creepy guy like Vesper or Luca who's known for flirting, you can't just ban him from all future intergender collabs, he's still part of the group. It creates so much drama.
2) Escalation
It starts with "intergender collabs" and then it becomes "offcollabs" and flirting on twitter.
3) If the interactions become too frequent.
That is something that happened to NijiEN, for literally 6 months there wasn't a SINGLE all-girl's collab.

Ruins the immersion, that's it, I don't want them near the girls, no I know I'll never fuck them because god forbids I start dating a fucking Vtuber, but they existing and going with the FUCK THE UNICORNS thing gets annoying quick, I won't anti them, I won't watch their associates, but if everything becomes open VC i might drop them all together and go look for something that goes with my tastes and no, I might look into GFE Vtuber, not because I like the content, but they are prone to fuck off and go on a menhera rant, 5 indies I followed already did that and dissapeared or kill themselves, it's an amazing shitshow that warms my heart.

Jealousy you retarded nigger

>>49560179
She's my real girlfriend and I don't want other guys flirting with her! What if she likes him more and decides she doesn't need me? Then I'll have nobody and I'll be alone again. She has to love me and only me.

>>49560842
Idk why this is so hard for normalfag to understand
A conversation and laugh with their oshi could legitimately turn around most viewers lives
Watching a woman you adore hang out with a guy is basically torture

>>49560767
It's so funny that you mention Vesper who has 0 flirting skills, only care about hardware plastic wrap and openly has liked gay furry art on his alt acc lmao.
He is not the woman stealing giga chad u think he is. He is just a silly dude, love him tho.
Luca is more open with his male coworkers, can't say I have seen him OPENLY flirting with women. He is just a shitposter

>>49560767
Vesper never flirt with any female on stream my guy, not even with Kronii in their 1-1 collab, how can you even compare him to Luca. You don't need to watch his stream but hating on the guy because you threadread the shit anons post here is kinda dumb, have your own opinion

>>49560179
Watch non-GFE potato and be happy.

I think at least part of it is people who think hating male vtubers is funny and only do it ironically. They probably are also the same people who dogpile on whatever the latest drama is.

why is it always about fucking

>>49560179
It's an extension of their addiction to drama. When there's nothing else to reasonably shitpost about, you can always get replies by implying a vtuber's viewers are cuckolds. I don't even know if anyone on this board is genuinely triggered by male collabs, every post bitching about them reads like a bot post.

>>49561138
porn addiction

>>49560179
CGDCTchad here
It's the sisters who's attacking kronii not the unicorns. For me, sure i'll still watch her here and there but the priority will be lowered.

>>49560842
>>49561023
Easy to understand answer?
Time for this post to be completely ignored for DRRRRAMA

>>49560767
>Vesper
>known for flirting
This is why nobody takes you losers seriously

>>49560179
See how successful a CGDCT Anime would be if they suddenly introduced male characters in Season 2 and started focusing on them. It's simply not what most people are here to see.

>>49560767
>Vesper
>known for flirting
rumao

>>49561023
>>49561317
>>49560842
Because that's a cop out excuse and not a real answer. If it was just jealousy they'd ignore the content, and if it really bothered them, drop the streamer. That's not what happens though. People hyper fixate on it and refuse to let it go for months on end

>>49560767
>Vesper
>known for flirting
I can't believe you faggots are afraid of losing to an autistic old man who'd much rather take a hike than talk to women

>>49561138
Unironically this >>49561184

>>49561547
Yeah you people hyper fixate on it
Actual viewers just move on

Male vtubers aren't my cup of tea

Simple Ass

>>49560179
Males collabs didn't bother me, Tempus started being problematic when they debuted their second gen in record time when the holoen girls were(and are) holding the record of the longest time without a new generation.

And what made me unsub and stop watching and supporting almost anything holostar related were the faggots bootlicker that said that it was alright to neglect the girls branch, priorizing promotion of holostars because they need more "help", and that I should feel "bad" for even being disappointed at tempus 2, that I just want new toys and what not.

They killed any good will I had with Tempus.

>>49561547
and people do that retardchama, as shown in picre, but some can't let go.

>>49561547
Stars are hated by the otaku in 5ch and the weeaboos in 4ch. Both are mentally ill faggots that think they own somebody after donating a superchat, buying a membership or buying a single piece of merch.

>>49560965
This.

>>49561670
While I agree with your points. Vanguard did debut too soon but where do you get the info that the girls are getting neglected? As far as I'm concerned they're doing pretty well for themselves.
If your answer is /here/, maybe don't take this place seriously.

>>49561670
Exactly this. Also, with every passing week where EN3 isn't announced, it becomes increasingly obvious that Cover's resources were put into them at the expense of the girls.

>>49561317
Even drama addict like me think this "drama" is kinda shit yo. We don't have enough fuel, like they should actually flirt or something. If they actually flirt I will spam that shit forever, imagine the cope and seethe

>>49561094
>can't say I have seen him OPENLY flirting with women
lmao I know you're lying.
Inviting his female coworker to an offcollab
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ii_2b02SKA8&t=3699
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ii_2b02SKA8&t=4605
Inviting his other female coworker to an offcollab
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQU-hZKaPMQ&t=9471
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQU-hZKaPMQ&t=9654
Flies to visit Rosemi without giving her much warning he's coming, then telling stories on his stream about lewd things they did together. Rosemi says he tried to follow her to underwear shopping:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOd8qUDzS38
Playing a bizarre video suggesting he wants to "mate" his female coworkers. (He played this on stream)
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxxj4aDMnWk
Luca only does 1v1 collabs with girls, and is really flirty with them. Usually bragging about himself and how great he is.
Sometimes he just invades girl's only collabs, like Maria and Petra's where he isn't in the thumbnail but invades their stream anyway.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdYB_HoIe5U

His typical modus-operandi is to corner these girls into 1v1 collabs, and then pressure them for offcollabs, or prompt them with lewd questions.
Like a few days ago when he asked Enna about her ass, so she spanks herself for him
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBdDQdCzcTI&t=18848
Or when he prompted Pomu to tell him about her underwear
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQU-hZKaPMQ&t=9870
He sets up these situations so he has plausible deniability.

In case you were doubting what a creep he is.
Luca watching Pomu sleep, tucking her into bed next to him
>https://youtu.be/neTv6joWb78?t=11190
Luca takes a picture of his computer, Pomu's stream is playing on it.
>https://youtu.be/_jjiUdVMORM?t=678
When he was streamsniping her during their Guess Who collab he said "I always watch your stream".

Another bizarre moment is during The Forest collab, when Pomu spent most of the time with other males. Luca feels insecure, so he invades her superchat reading, and it's really fucking awkward.

Men and women can never be "just friends"

>>49562090
Based anon.

>>49561843
NTA, but there's a huge fucking greentext with video proof of the girls coming up with some ideas and management telling them ''LOL NO'', One of them was Gura making youtube shorts before they became popular, actually it said that gura came out with many ideas that would become viral if it weren't for management.

>>49560179
It doesn't bother me. Labu labu you Kronii. Do Japan off-collab on a real table top next <3

>>49562090
Anons chill, maybe that anon wasn't lying, he just doesn't watch Niji ,lmfao

>>49561636
Hating is more fun.

>>49561843
While I agree that there's no good source that the girls are being neglected other than the blatant favoritism on r*ddit(and holoen twitter, to some extent), that was the feeling I had when they debuted. That enough would not be enough to me, I would just shrug to my concerns as a schizo delirium of mine, but again, what truly made me disregard tempus was their supporters everywhere guilty tripping me (and everyone) who were, clearly, disappointed with the Vanguard announcement, like we didn't have even the right of being disappointed and/or asking for en3.

>>49562154
this

>>49560179
At the end of the day it's all just bunch streamers playing mostly shitty games will never know.

>>49562208
Gura was told "NO" several times to her creative ideas by her chat as well. She is a "creative spark" type no wonder she is demotivated.

>>49562154
Damn I guess I better go tell my female friends to fuck off and not talk to me again.

>>49562154
factually incorrect

>>49560179
ain't reading all that. go back or kill yourself newfaggot

>>49562445
Islam was right about women.

>>49560179
I don't like my anime girls interacting with anime faggots it radiates ntr energy just like in animes

cuz there's males in my* stream and i don't want that
*mine insofar i'm watchin

>>49562525
We should all move to Iran, the only good place on Earth.

>>49562311
>>49561843
>On top of the world
>No sponsorships
>Mega delay on 3D
>No EN 3D studio to take advantage of Kiara's idol training
>Couldn't give them fucking working visas when my uncle running a fucking icecream store in japan could get me one to visit them
>No MAJOR sponsors for the viral hit that was Myth at the time
>Events for the branch that made a huge breakthrought out of Ame's pocket
You smoking something?

>>49562412
yeah, one was her having a fucking pony model for a stream since she's girly enought to like MLP and the other was react streams, those are the only ones people told her no.

>>49560464
>Faggots
The only faggots here are the ones that watch or defend anime boys.

>>49562090
I have a feeling this guy was a unicorn before becoming a male vtuber.
also sounds like he is the type to do something that would cause twitter to go apshit.

>>49562757
Anyone who use this site is a faggot, what with you newfag who think you are not a fag ?

>>49562412
You can tell she got scolded for this tweet, just like she does any other slightly spicy but popular tweet. But even if anons want to discount Gura and shit on her anyway, to me Ame is the biggest evidence that management really demotivated them through neglect.

>>49562628
This prove that the girls have shitty management and are not given good opportunities to shine.
Holostars debuting a new gen BEFORE those girls not necessarily prove logically that holoen is being neglected in favor to holostarsEN(Although it gave me that clear impression, plz don't make me advocate for the devil anymore, I'm trying to be reasonable here).

>>49563043
Or maybe because its a shit tweet and I dont want to see someone doing that pose.

>>49563036
Nice one, sister.

>>49560767
>unicorns are afraid of Vesper
you're beyond salvation

>>49560179
Im not reading that
I go there for the specific purpose of seeing cute girls
Every other fucking youtuber I watch is male vtubing is the one thing that makes women tolerable
Im not there to watch men so if you bring them in I will just leave

>>49560842
>>49561023
Why are you jealous lol they're not even in the same fucking room

>>49560179
Not interested, miss me with that gay shit

>>49561670
>Tempus started being problematic
Unicorns being female brained as usual.
Debuting 2 tempus gens is called striking while the iron is hot, unfortunately for Yagoo he got there way too fucking late. He could've made his move when niji announced male vtuber auditions for EN, but waited until all the chinese sisters had emptied their and their husband's bank accounts on luxuem and noctux.

Basically Yagoo heavily misplayed the market and only got the scraps of niji.
Coincidentially holoEN has been on a drought since late 2021 where half the branch was on several months long breaks.

Now is the time to act for EN3 but that's nowhere to be seen yet.

>>49560179
>Cuck babble
I don't like male vtubers and obviously I don't like male collabs so naturally I'm against it, what's the confusion here?

>>49561671
>posting your own twitter account screenshot made of /#/ screengrabs
>tagging the thread with official hashtags
fucking pathetic BVTM wannabe
you're a professional cocksucker

>>49563097
mudslimebro it's a VRC avatar and it's mild as fuck

>>49562090
I mean at this point it’s honestly on the chicks for having such shit taste. Like Pomu for example, at some point you just have to accept she likes the attention more than she likes her fans, which is shocking considering the attention is coming from somebody who looks like SEA wojak, but what can you do. Just drop them, it’s beyond fixing.

>>49563685
>Just drop them, it’s beyond fixing.
This

>>49562090
god damn that is predator behaviour can't wait for the yabs to come out about luca being a rapist.

>>49563285
Drama is fun.

>>49563635
No I just don't think its a good tweet. Bite me.

>>49562757
Only faggots would watch girls gush over each other, retard

>>49560512
fpbp

>>49563911
Point is Gura is a boundary pushing type that likes to break the mold. Management shutting down her viral ideas is the reason she can't be bothered to do normal streams.

>>49564077
>Management shutting down her viral ideas is the reason she can't be bothered to do normal streams.
Then that is on Gura, not management.

>>49563961
Only autists watch vtuber.

>>49562628
>Anything related to 3D
this is an issue for foreign branches, not just holostars. Both JP6 and Uproar are japanese and are easier to contact. Foreign branches had to fly over to even get their 3D and that takes time and coordination
>Working Visas
None of the boys are given visas by Cover. The only ones that do are Altare, Axel and Vesper and those were their own visas.
>No sponsorships
The girls get sponsorships all the time?
>Yeah from gacha games
And? That's on management not the talents.

>>49560179
The guys are almost all all pure fujobait by design regardless of psrsonality, if it's it in a very professional environment like a JP-style variety or sponsered show than whatever but I have no interest in casual, loose collabs. "Brotubing" is a meme, they can be relatable and interesting but they're ultimately behind this sexualized avatar with fujo connotations. Let alone when they do karaoke, concerts, music videos, etc. and share fanart through thumbnails and on twitter and the idol aimed at women design becomes glaringly obvious.

>>49564172
we're all autists down /here/

doesnt bother me
theres no immersion, if theyre fun to watch theyre fun to watch.
does the anime avatar help, sure

>>49564127
She would have benefited the most from a medium sized company. But then again she wouldve probably disappeared either way.

>>49564306
Then do your job, regardless of restrictions or not.

>>49560179
Male VTubers aren't entertaining.

>>49564347
I hear ya.

>>49564347
That's why she doesn't stream as often.

>>49560179
I don't want to watch male vtubers, and every collab with a Tempus member in it is one less collab that could have been all girls that I would have enjoyed. The existence of male collabs robs me of fun streams, and the more there are the worse the problem is.

>>49564431
If someone just decided to not fucking do anything because some manager told her this crappy idea was crap, then she's not a good talent and should focus on other content. Do something or leave. Other people would love to have that job, and if you're gonna sit on the pot, then hop the fuck off.

>>49564497
Calm down.

>>49564497
If she leaves, her position isn't being replaced. This is not some accountant role. Why are you so dumb about this?

>>49565038
If she leaves then someone else can do the things she was "going" to do.

>>49565106
That's how women should be treated.

>>49565106
What the fuck are you talking about? Who is this someone else and what things can they do that she was going to do? Why does it require her to leave? It's not a occupied position.

>>49560179
they dont, only fags are that insecure

>>49563475
It's because of faggots like you that I don't support the stars anymore. So I, someone who's primarily a fan of the girls branch, but supported the stars for the sake of unity, am wrong because I feel that the branch that I'm fan of was being neglected, with several girls reaching new levels of low ccv, no new music, no new covers, no new outfits, meanwhile tempus getting almost all of the above in the length of six fucking months, a generation that, mind you, debuted after than council.

I bet you think they should get 3ds and sololives earlier too, to strike the iron or whatever, luckily for me, Hololive is not supposed to work that way, and your hot Iron burned me and several other and "da boys" are reaching 3 views status because of your "genius plan". Kys alongside whoever came up with this retarded strategy and learn to wait in the line next time, and now I don't give a fuck if stars get standart merch, shitty rigging and second hand made outfits. I used to, I defended Roberu when he got that shitty 3D, but now they can all graduate for all I care.

>>49565375
What?

>>49565375
>no new music, no new covers, no new outfits, meanwhile tempus getting almost all of the above
you could at least try to lie a little better

>>49564497
shut the fuck up retard

>>49560179
>They're all very well off attractive

I have a feeling that Fauna, and definitely Kronii are the least attractive by far. Mumei being the sexiest of the lot, followed by Gura. For those who've seen Ame, she is....not really cute...

Ina probably isn't HOT hot, but still cuter than the aforementioned especially the fat clock.

>>49565500
>no new music
They have new music
> no new covers
They have new covers
> no new outfits
They have new outfit
That's HoloEN as a whole
The fuck anons, are you even watching HoloEN at all ?

>>49566780
Keep in mind, people are talking about the period of time between tempus 1 and 2 debut it was quite bad, several girls with health issues, or too busy preparing for Holofes, all of them in Japan, and nothing of those mentioned were a thing by then.

>>49560179
they don't

>>49560179
You seem to acknowledge the fact that a bunch of the girls' fans are actually in love with them.
So please, for fuck's sake, tell me why ANY man who is in love with a girl would want to watch her have more fun with another guy than she does with him?
How is this so difficult for your kind to understand? It literally feels like you're being cucked. Watching the homos collab with your oshi means you have to sit there and feel like a fucking third wheel while she laughs at his jokes, gives him all her attention, potentially flirts with him, and generally has a fun time with him rather than you and chat. WHO THE FUCK WOULD WANT THAT OTHER THAN SOMEONE WHO GETS OFF TO FEELING LEFT OUT AND JEALOUS: I.E A FUCKING KEKOLD.
So stop asking this retarded question. Even if you think others shouldn't feel like that, it doesn't matter. That's how a significant portion of a girl's fans feel when their oshi collabs with someone they know is closer to her then they are.

>>49562445
If you had the chance to fuck your female friends, would you do it?

>>49560179
Maybe you're just an unempathetic femanon cunt, but I hope this analogy helps:
Watching your oshi collab with some male eceleb or one of the homos is like being invited to a party by the girl(or guy) you have a massive crush on, but once you get there, she completely ignores you and spends all her time there with another guy talking, dancing, playing games together, snuggling on the couch, flirting, etc. All while you're left completely alone.
It's unbearable.

>>49562445
>>49562471
Are you still in high school or something? Or are you a femanon that thinks your male friends who are single don't actually want to fuck you because you're completely oblivious?

>>49562090
Based anon, keep all receipt so faggot can't memoryhole this shit.

>>49573619
Lol they did experiment this on youtube and her male friends would instantly fuck her after her boyfriend breakout with no hesitation.

>>49560179
Didn't read any of that. Male vtubers are cringe.

At first I didn't even care about the male collabs, I gave tempiss a chance because "brotubers", it was the "do you not have friends?" + the vesper panties middle finger before leaving and the Ame "improve yourself", then vesper saying he is going to fuck my oshi and altare with "must defend the cause" or whatever and the fucking red troon that keeps bringing his shit, the unicorns were right tempiss turned out to be a bunch of cunts, the nijis are cunts too

>>49563217
Well, he's not very good at it, but he's the only reason Kronii still collabs with men and he has shown to be VERY eager to keep collabing with the hologirls, even at the expense of his relationship with his genmates

>>49573190
GSH

I don't want to watch dudes, either anime or 3DPD, it's that simple.

>>49560572
> American
> doesn't understand why the rest of the world hates cuckoldry
makes sense

>>49560179
The ocassional coollab for an event doesn't bother me. What bothers me is when the fanbase starts shipping them together and they become a de facto couple in the fandoms eyes.

>>49560179
>he thinks I don’t watch male streamers
When I watch vtubers I want them to be cute females, simple as. If the dude was good he wouldn’t be a male vtuber acting like a faggot for his audience
>not all of them act like fags
Like Kuhuza? The guy who got together with another Female niji liver? Then your argument falls apart.

>>49575389
KYS

>>49575765
>When I watch vtubers I want them to be cute females, simple as. If the dude was good he wouldn’t be a male vtuber acting like a faggot for his audience
Most based poster itt.
Male vtuber = failed streamer/fag

Let's see
>most people get into hololive through the jp branch
>vast majority of them don't collab with holostars or other men and the stars mostly keep to themselves or collab outside of hololive
>tempus enter the picture
>management start constantly mentioning "holopro" all of a sudden
>they are shilled everywhere and half of holoen spam collabs with them
>en3 is forgotten to debut a second batch of tempus homos
I can see why they got backlash

>>49575515
>What bothers me is when the fanbase starts shipping them together and they become a de facto couple in the fandoms eyes.
Yeah this is the real cancer. Shippers always ruin everything.

>>49576068
I personally don't mind if it's inter-company and between women because it makes sense to me. but when its some dude from another company, or branch it feels alienating.

>>49561547
>If it was just jealousy they'd ignore the content, and if it really bothered them, drop the streamer.
?????????????????
No??????????? Do you even understand how jealousy works and why it exists???????

>>49562090
glad that i dropped niji

>>49566780
Tempus are yet to recieve any outfits.
I don't know why you think talents are given music. Outside of official projects, everything is organised by themselves. In terms of being "given" music, involvement in Holofes and the Deco*27 album would put the girls ahead of the the two debut songs the boys got.
The girls (Other than Bae) aren't regularly releasing music because they aren't making it.

>>49578774
I think you replied to the wrong person

>>49564077
Irrelevant, but saying Gura is a "boundary pushing type" who is "breaking the mold" sounds supremely retarded.

>>49579374
she is a vtuber who doesn't stream. She is challenging the definition of "vtuber" and "streamer".

>>49560179
look at NijiEN. acceptance of them mingling has led to the girls getting sidelined as arm candy for shipperfags, and also totally destroyed the original feel/atmosphere of Lazusydia. people are so nostalgic about those days not necessarily because the guys weren't there (although that helped a lot) but because the girls were nicer to each other and it felt like the whole point of the thing was for them to have fun with the fans as part of it. with the current thing being some catty cliques where the audience are basically voyeurs, there isn't much in it for us anymore to care. neither about the girls or guys.

"so just watch their solo streams then" yeah about that, the dudes will often come chat them up there and bring in the other-ness even in solo streams. all-girl collabs literally don't happen now. they seem actually spiteful about people who preferred them how they used to be which only makes them all more unlikable in that they know what people liked and just give the finger in response knowingly.

>>49579736
It's only fair, I stand corrected.

>>49579741
You are mentally ill.

>>49562154
Damn I guess Uki is fucking every woman in EN right now.

>>49580482
you cannot fucking dictate to someone what their taste "should" be or the "right" way to consume media for their own leisure should be. YOU are fucking mentally ill for imposing some kind of ethical or moral dilemma into what is supposed to be casual light entertainment.

>>49575765
>If the dude was good he wouldn’t be a male vtuber acting like a faggot for his audience
>>49575962
>Male vtuber = failed streamer/fag
Baffling goddamn posts.

>>49580547
I'm not the one screeching about some male vtuber crossing eyes with your female oshi. Ironic you're saying I'm imposing some "ethical" shit when male vtubers have been around a lot longer than you fucks have been watching them. If even Yugoo, the supposed "savior", is pushing Holostars in the spotlight and want nothing with the bullshit you're spewing, then what does that say about you?

>>49580894
the topic of this thread is why people do not like male collabs. my statement is a pure fucking matter of taste. you claim this is "mentally ill" which is fucking absolutely retarded histrionics and your immediate go-to defence is whataboutism. you're asserting that I claimed yagoo is a savior. I did not. you're just turning people into strawmen to repeatedly knock down and claim you won something. what is this behavior? imposing. you are trying to impose and shame me. which is fucking faggot behavior, please suck start a shotgun. I do not like watching male vtubers. I did not get into this for them, and I never will like them. their presence spoils streams and if every holo started collabing with them I would just drop hololive. you will conquer nothing but ashes.

>>49580894
>crossing eyes
you didn't even read the post you replied to
nijisanji went from normal cute girls to side pieces for niji males because of male acceptance
yagoo has no issue with vtuber ships either, and vtuber ships are older than the amount of time most people here have been watching vtubers
But vtuber ships are still cancer and they still ruin vtubing regardless of those facts

>>49560179
I was a Mori fan, it wasn't the male collabs that drove me away from Hololive.

>>49580894
You are mentally ill.

>>49581023
>my statement is a pure fucking matter of taste
Then I don't what I or anyone else can do for you. You really exist males to stop existing like in Love Live? You are driving a hard bargain here.
>you are trying to impose and shame me
You are doing that all on your own.
>I do not like watching male vtubers. I did not get into this for them, and I never will like them.
I'm sorry that you feel that way. Unfortunately there's no one to help you with, not Nijisanji or even Holo. Might want to follow smaller corpos or indies if you just want girls.

>>49581597
I want males to stop existing in Hololive, yep. That's about right.

>>49560179
Blame NijiEN and the constant impromptu collabs that gave a lot of people bad tastes in their mouths when it comes to male vtubers. You couldn't go one solo stream without them barging in and ruining the mood. I think the fear of Tempus doing the same thing was justified at first but now that they've proven they're beyond that I don't see an issue with them.

>>49579741
/thread. Niji attempting to own unicorns only proved them right.

>>49581597
You're still trying to impose your will. You're sorry? Sorry for what? That I don't like male vtubers? There's nothing to be fucking sorry or ashamed of about that. You act as if it's a lamentable waste or something. It isn't. It's the same as if I just don't like a certain flavor of jelly bean - so if someone asks why I don't buy the bags of assorted jelly beans that come with that flavor in it, that's why. It's a straight up "I don't like it." That's reasonable, right?

So why is it so hard for people to accept the fact some vtuber viewers just do not like male vtubers, and will not watch them and do not want them getting tossed into our bag of jelly beans? There are on average I think far more anti-unicorn threads and statements on this board than pro. Yet Holo is doing just fine and HoloJP is only further untouchable in its pursuit of mostly just cute girls vtubing. There is a discrepancy here, in that there is a silent majority that really-does just like the cute girls and a loud minority acting like this is somehow wrong to do. It isn't. Get it?

>>49581038
>nijisanji went from normal cute girls to side pieces for niji males because of male acceptance
What do you mean "went from"? Niji has always been having both male and female vtubers. All you're doing right now is exposing just how much of a newfag you are.

>>49581831
NijiJP doesn't do as many coed collabs as NijiEN.

>>49560179
Lmfao I am not reading that wall of text you fucking homobegger. Go back

>>49560179
Since I am not some kind of schizo, I can tell you why. People are projecting themselves as some kind of boyfriend/significant other to these virtual women. Because they've been alone for so long or were destroyed by their previous experiences, now they are unable to see what's real and what's their own imagination. I do feel sorry for these people, and I do wish them to go have some kind of psych therapy because they might end up doing more bad than good. Some might have mental problems, some are just very sad and lonely, but in the end you cannot just sit idly and nod to their behavior. You have to call them out when they start acting in a really terrible way towards people around them and people they think are their significant other.

Like Micheal Jordan said in that 90s ad: "Stop it, get some help."

>>49560179
There's 2 reasons that people watch VTubers, and both derive from anime -
1. They're entertaining and funny, which feels similar to watching a comedy anime e.g. "Asobi Asobase" or "Daily Life of Highschool boys".
2. They're cute and do fun things together with each other, which feels similar to watching a slice of life/high school anime e.g. Kiniro Mosaic, K-On, Bocchi the Rock etc.

Group #1 VTubers will naturally have the same buff as Group #2 if they're girls, but their audience ceiling will be ultra high thanks to appealing to a different genre of anime compared to Group #2 alone.
These VTubers often need to be at the top of their game in every single stream because the moment they stop being funny and entertaining, the audience that's there for #1 will gravitate to someone else. However girls will still have a small buff from Group #2 so male VTubers have to work twice as hard to be entertaining to retain their audience.
The CGDCT audience that watches them also know that their appeal is more than pure CGDCT so they won't be affected by male collabs, as long as they are still entertaining.

In Group #2 the girls themselves don't need to put that much effort into anything (although they CAN, which will often bring a new audience as well) just being there streaming for their audience is enough to satiate them.
Contrary to popular belief, people who watch this content don't self insert themselves into the group, they just derive some joy from the "Truman show"-esque nature of viewing the girls having fun with each other (pic rel).
They will naturally balk at males suddenly invading their comfy space and making things weird, because male-female interactions are fundamentally different from female-female interactions. Partly sexual and partly social in nature.
EN VTubers in general lean heavily into the Group #2 audience, because most of them cannot be entertaining and funny over longer periods of time. Hence male collab controversies will affect them more.

Now, along with the different audience types, there's also a divide in audience RESPONSE to male collabs and other forms of controversy/drama.
The Japanese prefer not to inconvenience their streamer with drama from antis using their criticism as a stick to beat their oshi with, so they adopt the mindset of "if I don't like it, I don't watch" and hope that their oshi will notice the metrics and adjust accordingly. They do shitpost about it on 5ch though, and if their oshi browses 5ch even more reason to do so since they could find the "real" feelings of her fans.
If there's any non-5ch complaints it'll usually be on marshmallows or mengen, where the girl themselves can pick and choose what comments to respond to (and the audience can make the decision accordingly). And usually only when their oshi asks for feedback/criticism do they provide it. The majority of the audience adopting this mentality means that any outsider trying to stoke a controversy stands out like a sore thumb and can be asked to fuck off easily.
Western fans are a lot more entitled (in both ways) where if they don't like something, they WILL talk about it openly under Youtube comments, twitter tags and anonymously, with no care for how their words could start drama or be used as sticks to beat their oshi with.
Because unlike the Japanese, westerners prioritize themselves over their oshi. Hence the visibility of their opinion is more important than the feelings of their oshi.
Obviously the same feeling goes the other way with the "my streamer can do no wrong" types of viewers, who get into fights with these vocal fans on the comments/twitter, shit on them, humiliate them and try to get them to leave. These types are often casual fans however, and so not really financially needed, but the streamers prefer not to stoke controversy themselves, and so don't call them out on being shitty to their fanbase (notable exception was Kronii who did once defend her fans from "outsiders" shitting on them in her chat).
Once again, this lack of care about drama, self-centeredness along with western audiences leaning more into the Group #2 audience will naturally result in more controversy about male collabs in the west side.

Number 1 rule of any streamer though, is "Don't lie to your fans about important things". This is the majority of the reason for all the supposed "muh male collab" controversy in the west.
See : Mori jumping into a Vesper collab right after their collab ban expired (earlier than usual thanks to "popular demand"), Bae collabing with Holostars and Tempus etc. which had zero controversy. Because Mori and Bae were already known entities.
Kronii on the other hand, got controversy because she lied to her fans and flip flopped multiple times before settling into where she is now.

>>49581831
pretty sure he's talking about EN, no one watches NijiJP on this board

>>49560179
I'm someone who watch both Hololive (Watame, Suisei, Fauna, +) and Holostars (Astel, Ruberu), I also watch VSPO! who tend to collab with male streamers a lot. There are many problems with EN's Tempus mixed collabs:
>Branding
There is a reason why Suisei may appear with a male sometimes while there is no where in hell Noel or Pekora would do that, they understand and respect their fans, and their fans also understand and respect that. EN went 180, ONLY BAE Who I honestly respect a lot didnt do that, she was clear from the start.
>Bad Faith
This is a job not your private social media account, picking fights with fans because of a negative fan reaction of something you decided to do is stupid, even worse if you didnt expect that. The "own the haters", "L parasocial fucks" mentality makes the fans expect that anything the talents do in the future is in bad faith, which makes even the normal ones feel unwelcomed or insulted and leave.
>EN mixed gender collabs in general:
Our referances are indies and nijisanji, watch them and tell me what you see, cucking, flirting, dick jokes, dirty jokes, Im not saying JP doesnt have them but they are not mainstream, chat immediatly tells them they crossed the line, there is no line in non holo EN mixed gender collabs.
>Also there are actual incels on the board don't mind those.
Thank you for coming to my teddy talk.

>>49581911
You don't have to convolute it with some half ass projection theory. Watching anime girls and watching anime males have two very different audiences. It's that fucking simple. This whole lonely man licking the tv screen theory is mumbo jumbo to kill the argument.

>>49581831
EN retard

>>49581990
>Our referances are indies and nijisanji, watch them and tell me what you see, cucking, flirting, dick jokes, dirty jokes, Im not saying JP doesnt have them but they are not mainstream, chat immediatly tells them they crossed the line, there is no line in non holo EN mixed gender collabs.
Tempus has done none of these

>>49581911
If you homobeg and use my fucking oshi as a pic in the same post again you will regret it. This is your only warning.

>>49581977
>pretty sure he's talking about EN
And they're still a fool to think that EN was gonna be "girls only" They have no one to blame but themselves.

>>49582078
see
>>49582051

>>49582054
Nobody watches them.

>>49581911
>I am not some kind of schizo
your entire post is a schizo manifesto that is completely detached from reality

>>49582078
3 waves of girls only waves anon, NijiEN did it to themselves

>>49582078
Indeed I tried warning them but oh dear.

>>49581990
Since you watch VSPO and Holostars, I think you should actually bring up the point that the Holostars are no way close to as good and entertaining as the male streamers that VSPO play with like Rush or Hendy and I don't even care for Hendy that much.

>>49581790
>hates males so much you compare them to food
Absolute schizo moment. Do you look down you pants and feel shame too?

>>49582378
Why do your types always try to turn people not liking males on their vtuber streams to them not liking males in general? Why not actually argue with what they are saying? Zoomers can enjoy watching XQC while also disliking Vesper on stream with Kronii.

>>49582439
You can dislike a vtuber, sure. But to say that you disregard an entire gender is the most baffling thing. You're sounding like a male-hating feminist with each retarded post.

>>49582439
It's their usual projection scheme

>>49582378
Why'd you even bother replying if you were going to come up with something so weak and sophomoric. Is this the mental state of homobeggars? Poor showing.

>>49582509
Hate is enjoyable.

>>49560179
>bet my life savings that not a single one of tempus would have a chance in hell of dating a single holo girl.
Completely missed the point and don't understand a damn thing.
Another sister thread.

>>49582540
Posts like that don't deserve serious replies. Your feelings do not resonate with anyone outside this shithole, but I choose not to play into it.

Lol no one watches your faggots. How embarrassing lmao

>>49581883
>NijiJP doesn't do as many coed collabs as NijiEN.
Are you retarded or are you baiting for examples? I'll feed you anyways.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BB2zaUz3aPU

>>49560179
Streaming is a performance. It’s supposed to be entertaining. If I don’t find it entertaining for whatever reason, I’ll watch a different streamer.
All streaming is parasocial. Go fuck yourself.

>>49562311
Axel song collab with the girls. 'Ina was allegedly trying to organize that song collab for months, but was getting no help from management. Boys debut and it was approved immediately. Also, the narrative early on was if you wanted to get permissions ask the boys management.

>>49582509
Males can't be cute in the same way girls can. That's not a failing or fault of theirs, it's just biology. I'm not gonna waste my free time trying to gaslight myself pretending that I'm having the same enjoyment out of them as I would get from cute girl chuubas. I just, don't. They're not that interesting of people generally, and so if they can't provide the cute, then what DO they provide me vs every other streamer and youtuber in the world? Not much at all. They're not worth it.

Basically, cute girls content is all vtubing is actually good and functional for to me. This medium is just junkfood, there is no fucking use being pretentious about it. If you're a girl then maybe the inverse is true and cute anime guys work for you just like cute anime girls work for me. I'd have fucking thought that the female demographic audience would intuitiely understand the how and why of why the male demographic gets something out of this, but they seem to commonly get flummoxed and act like it's a fucking grand mystery of the universe.

>>49582649
Why are you here if supposedly nothing about this place matters. Why are you taking the time to try to argue here. You're free to go.

>>49560179
I've been filtering anime with male protagonists. I have no interest in watching anime boys on youtube.
Funny thing is, I have no problem watching live-action movies and shows with male protagonists. I don't even have a problem watching male streamers.
My preference on anime is girls. Just girls.

>>49582717
>as many as

>>49582509
lmao what am I reading, there is no way a male can be writing this. This is a woman who has no idea about male psychology.

>>49583081
Anime guys way too often tend to just suck as characters, they're wimpy meek high schoolers like 80% of the time. If a male protag is actually personable or memorable like Kazama or 8man, then sure, it's good he's there and there's nothing wrong with it. However, they usually aren't that and only serve to be cringe material or time-waster/feeling like an obligated presence to be an empty vehicle for others.

>>49582996
Never thought I'll see someone make such a big deal over not watching male chuubas. Jesus chirst, get over yourself
>They're not that interesting of people generally,
How would you know that if you barely ever give the chance?
>then what DO they provide me vs every other streamer and youtuber in the world? Not much at all. They're not worth it.
That's all on your retarded feelings that are not grounded on reality. Fun fact, vtubers are just streamers with 2D avatars. Crazy right?
>If you're a girl then maybe the inverse is true and cute anime guys work for you just like cute anime girls work for me.
It may be a surprise to you, but I can watch both. And I'm also a guy, you big bitch.

>>49582168
Yes, I have to agree on this.

>>49583098
So you are retarded. Never mind then.

I don’t get why everyone gets upset about it.

I see the vtubers more as characters, so the idea of collaborations is almost the majority of the enjoyment for streams because you’re watching personality dynamics.

I’ve never seen an anime for example where I’ve gotten upset at a girl and boy interacting.

A lot of the posters here parrot the same “they’re characters” but I think the majority attach more to the person behind the avatar.

>>49583460
No male collabs. Just don't let the dudes talk to the girls. NijiJP never suffered from this like NijiEN do.

>>49583587
>I see the vtubers more as characters
It's really not lmao. Nobody plays characters in EN. JP barely does it.

>>49583144
>there is no way a male can be writing this
The dick in my pants says otherwise.
>male psychology
Explain yourself then. Since you seem to know so much.

>>49583607
>Just don't let the dudes talk to the girls
Your retarded wishes will never be fulfilled. Learn to accept that and move on. Niji will live on without you.

>>49583666
Nice satan's trips.

>>49583641
>male psychology
>Explain yourself then. Since you seem to know so much.
NTA but this has to be a sister or tranny moment
Just look at tone.
Imagine a man ask another man to explain what's a man LMAO, never happening
That's only women stuff or tranny

>>49583641
male voice is unpleasant. Males ruin the girl dynamic. And nobody wants to third wheel a male flirting with their oshi.
it's gotten completely out of control: >>49562090
NijiEN didn't have a single all-girls collab for like 6 months. It's ridiculous, and why would any guy want to watch that? Every time you want to see your cute oshi there is some faggot pushing himself into her stream and putting flirt on her. No thank you.

>>49583640
Only time they were character was the pre-streaming days.

>>49560179
>I've lurked on this board long enough,
>immediately follows this with the standard generic twitter take about male collabs

>>49583730
>male voice is unpleasant
Is this how you fucks really think about yourselves? Honestly sad if it's true.

>>49560767
Anon is Kronii the one who flirting to vesper not the opposite

>>49582116
Exactly so every anti thread about Tempus is just a schizo thread.

>>49583813
Female voice is very pleasant, male voice is unpleasant. I do not like hearing that on stream when I want to hear girls. Male personality is very unnpleasant. It's just very unpleasant and ruins the girls dynamic.

>>49583791
>new ip
>this
every time

>>49583813
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAIU8QCy1K4
This is a cool male voice.

>>49583850
Actual tranny behavior holy shit.

>>49582885
How do arrive at this shit? All Ina ever said was that she wanted to do a cover of the but never got around to it, and that when she saw Axel was putting together a group collab she tried to get in.

>>49582996
It's not a man's job to be cute faggot.

>>49583460
The limits of this medium prohibits them from making the kinds of streams I'd actually watch, generally. They just don't commonly have consistent focuses outside the vtubing meta of gaming. Literally it's a skill issue for them - they don't do anything cool enough to attract my attention. These are boring motherfuckers by the limits of the medium, but also it's literally by design that the corpo males are herded into being rather similar to mirror images of the female routines of just playing games or doing zatsus. Or worse yet, they sing or do BFE or ASMR or something which is triple distilled cringe to be around if you're a straight guy watching that. Girls, which that content is aimed at, of course they can like it, I don't mind. I just don't care about it like they do. Beyond that random indie brotubers on twitch are like, 1view status usually.

Brotubing isn't a thing really. Even if it was, more specific interests are -mandatory- too niche to draw large audiences, so people are just plain incentivized to not focus on them as their main content and only do little dabblings of other things on the side. For example there is no professional scotch whisky expert/reviewer vtuber or anything like that. Because alcohol filters people and amongst the filtered group only some will think of scotch beyond something you add to soda, etc. Maybe some chuubas will drink some on stream a bit or talk about it a bit, maybe do a review stream or something at most but I mean - there is no vtuber Ralfy. I don't think there ever will be, because the nature of this medium, being a lowest common denominator popularity contest, funnels people towards doing the things that have greatest reach, thus so much of chuubas are playing minecraft/genshin/nintendo. I don't wanna watch a boring dude play nintendo games but I will drop everything to watch the latest Ralfy review. Do you, fucking understand now just how impossible it is for male vtubers to matter, to someone like me? Casual gaming and chatting isn't enough without cute artificially boosting it up to becoming 10x amusing. Like I said literally all vtubing is good for is cute girls, without that it's pretty much watching paint dry boring. Do you now fucking understand why the drive to defend cute girls content is so strong? There's no reason to be here without it.

>>49582054
But the fans already knew what to expect, NijiEN mixed collabs set that standard. Then kronii lied to her fans and Ame provoked her's, mangement pushed Holostars EN on Hololive EN fans too hard, shit got bad real quick. I don't watch Tempus but I genuinley felt bad for them the first month.

>>49560179
Cause it's cringe. Any male and female collab tends to go to both of them flirting with each other even if they don't think it is.

I don't dislike Tempus and I do watch them from time to time, but nah I'm not a fan of watching mixed collab and the feeling of being a cuck.

>>49583901
No anon, literally the opposite of that. Most normal guys want to watch cute girls, not other guys. That's why Pekora's views look like this.

You answered your own queestion anon. These people are disconnected from reality. If anon were to meet a female they like and said female talked to a male like they do with their female friends or siblings they would either get extremely jealous out of insecurity and act irrationally, or just stop talking to them. Even if the woman liked anon they would still act like a petulant child. Instead of just not watching and ignoring the content with males in it they'll go to cry here on the boards or twitter. It's like a leftoid cuck getting mad that an R18 show has one of their retarded triggers despite there being a warning at the start and they continue to watch.

>>49583988
put it in my ass

>>49581947
This might be one of the best posts I've read on this godforsaken board but this will fly over the heads of both HoloEN-only screeching unicorn retards and homobeggars.
You made a very good point about 2 groups. For me the best way turned out to be the same as anime: I like CGDCT but I don't really have genres I hate, I'll try everything if it catches my interest. I guess I just used the same approach getting into chuubas. I started by watching JPs from different companies so I initially got the idea that some vtubers are more of the "a cute girl streams, sings and hangs out with her cute girl friends" and some are more of the "a girl does whatever fun stuff she's up to, fun stuff may include collabing with guys so the vibe is a bit different". I didn't limit myself to only female vtubers either. I guess all that saved me from schizoing out to any of the extremes. I just watch who and what I feel like watching, so one day it can be Lui and Choco cooking collab with Sora and the other day it can be NijiJP mixed gender karaoke offcollab where people are singing obscure old anime songs and having a blast.
I have a kamioshi as well and I consider probability of her collabing with a male vtuber extremely low. It would subvert the expectations she's set for more than 2 years now and I believe her to be a good-willed person who won't do that. If she gets irl boyfriend/husband, I believe she'll graduate, in which case I'll support her fully despite all the sadness.That's how having kamioshi works for me: love for kamioshi is unconditional, her happiness is the first priority. The only condition (which she fulfills but it's apparently too difficult for some ENs) is to stay professional: don't get lazy, keep pursuing your goals, communicate properly if something goes wrong, be respectful towards your coworkers and fans, don't talk shit out of your ass.
Going by your post I guess that's the approach that most of JP viewers follow, and I've got the same impression.

>>49584110
Drama is fun. I never cared about Kronii but will shit on her.

>>49560179
Nobody really cares about male collabs. People who want them watch them. People who don't want them ignore them. Subhumans who get their kicks from anons replying to their bait don't care about what to shitpost with.

>>49562090
Chad holobronie I kneel.

>>49560793
Annoying because its true heh

>>49584165
>People who don't want them ignore them.
NijiEN ruined this rule

>>49561466
That genre should have never got off into mainstream. I blame it for creating unicorns.

>>49582378
no because my dick is not a fucking VTuber you roastie cunt

>>49584267
Anime is not mainstream. That is some lie pushed by netflix.

>>49560179
It has a lot less to do with the actual content of the stream and more about fans' possessiveness over the streamer. If it was about the content, they could just skip the stream and do something else. There's this idea that streamers who "love their viewers" do so exclusively and do things like ASMR, love song karaoke for them while abiding some rules like avoiding talking to men on stream. And if you break the rules you have betrayed your viewers, regardless of how they actually feel about it. Do you think people would throw similar shitfits over male collabs if /vt/ hadn't conditioned them to do it over a few years? No, they probably wouldn't give a shit. It's the culture that's been built around vtubers by fans and the selfish expectation that they will abide by this culture despite getting no say in it themselves.

>>49573619
You keep assuming someone's female friends are attractive. 50% of women are below average by definition. Bisexual people still have friends.

>>49584339
>If it was about the content, they could just skip the stream and do something else.
Again, NijiEN killed this option with constant Chat sniping and impromptu collabs.

>>49563505
Look at you being all tough and chad! Heh...pathetic.

>>49560179
Male flesh streamers I watch can be annoying when they bring their girlfriends on. It's not jealousy. I'm no homo. But I noticed instead of streaming for the viewer, it became streaming for each other. I understand. I just skip those streams. No hate for the streamer.
While there are streaming couples I love to watch. Yea, they flirt with each other, but they don't forget about the viewer and keep us engaged.
Call it cucking or whatever, not many are into being the third wheel.
Also, there is a difference between established couples flirting with each other and it's to be expected. Than your oshi flirting with the first man she meets...and the next, and next, etc.
I understand some are into that though.
If both the streamers keep the audience engaged and just not focus on each other, it would be more acceptable. Of course, that's hard to do in any collab.

I personally wouldn't mind if my oshi shork collabed with males. Seen her PL streams and they were just fine.

>>49562090
What's more surprising is that the girls just go with it. I fucking bet you some of them think he's a fucking creep but they can't fucking dare say that out loud because they are demanded to all be best friends super family forever on-stream by management.

>>49563505
that you're a pathetic loser who does nothing but watch an anime girl talk to you, by which I mean not just you but the million other pathetic losers like yourself as well? not very healthy I suggest you exercise and go outside. You'll get a higher chance of a girlfriend

>>49584054
Most normal guys do not have a negative reaction towards a male's voice. Having one is quite literally a mild symptom of gender dysphoria.

>>49584152
I can't agree more with this post.

>>49562090
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdYB_HoIe5U
This is really ridiculous
>it's a 2 person game
>advertised as a 2 person collab
>they are playing normally
at 9:50 he just INVADES their stream with no warning at all, his model appears on stream improperly sized because they didn't have it prepared.
They are like "what"? And then he proceeds to stay for the ENTIRE COLLAB. He's not even participating in the stream, in fact he says "I'm just gonna leave you guys in the background, pretend I'm not here".

>>49584544
That's how Jesus intended.

>>49584579
Nijicucks.

>>49581990
>ONLY BAE
I'd argue Mori as well, because you knew what you were getting with her and she collab'd with Rikka in 2021
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQaSVmFA7NE
I primarily blame Kronii's woman moments the most for souring people on Tempus.
I don't think Ame was intentionally acting maliciously with her improve yourself speech, but she suffers from autism and bad communication. Her choosing to use Altare's voice in karaoke only made things worse.

The sad thing is, I could envision a world where there'd be less Tempus backlash if it wern't for women fucking it up. People could opt to not watch male collabs, as long as they could TRUST their oshi was catering to them 90%+ of the time. Not talking about NijiniggerEN though.

>>49581947
I like this post

>why no like male colab they no fuck u incel
>multiple well thought out and articulate responses none of which have an issue with not being able to fuck a vtuber
>ya well they not ur gf they won't sex u loser
Why engage with twitter tourists?

>>49584339
>conditioned by /vt/
by anime, actually
they are advanced waifus

>>49584165
>Nobody really cares about male collabs
lol

>>49560179
>I would be willing to bet my life savings that not a single one of tempus would have a chance in hell of dating a single holo girl.
>He didn't know the rrat about Kaoru's affair with a Holomem
Lurk more
>I'm fairly confident cover has some sort of clause about dating other talents,
Cover has stated that talents dating with each other is not an issue, the relationship they won't allow is talents x staffs
Even if you ignore that because that's 中の人 issue
Have you seen any CDGCT anime that focus on boys and girls interactions?
Hololive is like CGDCT anime but IRL and the viewers can interact with the anime girls
And enabling male collabs will only make "idol culture is evil" crowds become worse
Give them an inch and they will take a mile

>>49584152
> I guess that's the approach that most of JP viewers follow
Pretty much. I can enjoy the wacky hilarious dynamics between Astel and the VSPO girls as much as I enjoy a good old SMOK collab.
They're basically like watching different shows, and enjoying them for different reasons.

But just as I wouldn't be comfortable if a shounen male character suddenly appeared as a transfer student in an anime class full of slice-of-life girls, I wouldn't be happy if Astel got involved with SMOK.
They're different shows, the dynamics are different.

And unfortunately the ultimate problem with the EN VTuber scene is that they fundamentally lack this trait of "anime girls that stream" which was the main appeal behind VTubers taking off as much as they did. They are simply "streamers with avatars".
Just like the ojisan said, they are being watched and they know they are being watched, but giving off natural feeling interactions on stream without exposing the fact that they know they are being watched, is the appeal behind watching this particular genre.

>>49560179
they dont have father thats why

>>49584678
I'd say that Luca and Iluna wave males singlehandedly ruined everything. Others are respectful enough to avoid barging in like that. No one in Luxiem besides Luca behaves that way, Luca is just a fucking subhuman.

>>49584912
>any CDGCT anime that focus on boys and girls interactions
It's called SOL you fucking subhuman.

>>49585114
It's called 癒し系

>>49561547
>If it was just jealousy they'd ignore the content, and if it really bothered them, drop the streamer

>>49585114
It's called 癒し系アニメ

>>49585071
don't forget he fucking erased their minecraft server and it never got fixed. management is probably forbidden from seriously-scolding him or reining him in because he's a such a high-priority moneymaker, unlike how they got to fire zaion over making a list of arbitrary petty grievances.

and yes he's from southeast asia. because of course he is.

>wasting time writing all these paragraphs to justify yourself
I'd rather just say I don't watch male vtubers, don't watch girls who collab with them, and don't care if someone has an issue with that.

>>49584054
Most people don't want to see collabs unless they see the creators as possibly perfect matches in content. Think jontron and dunkey or something stupid like that. It's why I tune out of collabs with some of the streamers I watch unless their guest is based off an actual good. "oh this is my best friend" is garbage unlike "this person who makes similar content wanted to collab and we happen to be friends".

It's why most liked the vesper kronii collab except kronii's unicorns, it's not just another day of the talents sitting in VC hoping another jumps in and say's something funny and it's not some half assed garbage like her collab with mori near debut.

>>49585357
actual good idea*

>>49584913
This. That's what JP does right - the genres. They don't suddenly mix these things. Chuubas either stick to one "genre" throughout all of their career, maybe with a few exceptions here and there, or are pro enough to pull off both without mixing them in an uncomfortable way. Fubuki doing a cute collab with other girls and Fubuki collabing with Oga feel very different. I don't know anyone in EN scene (maybe Bae with some practice?) who can pull it off that well. That's what makes them feel like regular variety flesh streamers.

>>49585357
>kronii's unicorns
so, the people who donate, make fanart, and are basically the core of her community? The people who are a critical part to her growth and success?

>>49563475
>Debuting 2 tempus gens is called striking while the iron is hot
Is called fucking retarded move and not being able to read the market
Hololive will always be the successful product of hololive production
Tempus 1 is somewhat understandable and forgivable, but Tempus 2 instead of HoloEN3?
Even if HoloEN3 will be doing worse than Council, it will still have better performance than Tempus 1 and 2
Now, people who are neutral about Tempus aren't as kind as before

>>49585426
Gachikoi are minority. Most are casuals.

>>49561670
>neglect the girls branch
The talents themselves are doing that on their own.
Outside of inflated numbers due to English being a universal language, there's no mistaking that the EN girls are collectively the laziest talents in all of Hololive and they have zero desire to spearhead something that can shine some light to the branch.

>>49585547
They could have fixed it by debuting EN3 quickly.

>>49560179
>Why do male collabs bother you so much?
watch this video if you haven't. Seriously, you'll know then https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIQdGYmkNco&t=1s

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>>49582060
>he doesn't know

>>49584536
Despite what they'll tell you, women register creep behavior as being a plus unless the person pushes it a little too far (usually too late for them to react) or is unattractive. There's a reason you hear near constant stories of women being taken advantage of by people fucking everyone knows are bad eggs

>>49583850
>male voice is unpleasant
>Male personality is very unnpleasant
Let it all out. Tell us how you really feel about yourself.

>>49560179
>You can have a girlfriend
Let me stop you right there...

>>49583988
tldr. You're being a little faggot defending something that even major corpos don't even believe in.

>>49584054
>Most normal guys want to watch cute girls, not other guys
Most normal guys don't give a fuck. Normal guys don't throw a shitfit at the sight of testosterone in their cute girls stream.

>>49584441
That sounds like a personal problem to me.

>>49585608
>soijak shit
Drink bleach retard.

>>49585348
You're a insecure around males. That I can also say.

>>49587228
Males jump into chat and the girls are forced to interact with them I mean.

>>49587395
Everyone could be a possible assaulter. Dwight Schrute.

>>49587397
>the girls are forced to interact
>forced
You're projecting at this point. If anything, they're forced to interact with schizos like you who'll seethe at them for interacting with anyone that isn't you.

I don't like male EN vtubers and I am a fujo.

>>49587481
You're right Pomu could choose not to interact with Niji males but she doesn't.

>>49587142
You are literally wrong. What you are saying is false. Incorrect. Untrue.
Biology and evolution is the reason you are wrong. That is correct, true, real.

>>49581790
>It isn't. It's the same as if I just don't like a certain flavor of jelly bean - so if someone asks why I don't buy the bags of assorted jelly beans that come with that flavor in it, that's why. It's a straight up "I don't like it." That's reasonable, right?
You'll get laughed at and get called a retard if you spout this shit outside of here. I would dare you to send this shit to you oshi to tell me how you really feel about them interacting with males.

>>49587565
Can you say that again with crying?

>>49587745
I am fairly certain they have literally done MRI studies on the male brain listening to female voices and found a calming effect, and the opposite with male voices. I am not kidding, I remember seeing that study out there. But you can continue to believe the false, incorrect fantasy-notion that all humans are interchangeable and biology doesn't exist.

>>49560179
It's a question of purity. Girls are pure, men aren't. They are a taint, a blemish on what could otherwise be unconditionally beautiful. I don't particularly care myself, but people who bash fans for being upset over their idol being associated with men does kinda piss me off because it shows a lack of understanding. Idol is an idol, that word says it all; they're meant to be something worth worshipping, something more perfect. If they see them palling it up with another guy though, that breaks the idol illusion. It's like your god is all of a sudden playing favorites, and you've been spurned. I mean, I'm using a rather extreme allusion, but surely you can see why it matters to people?

For something more mundane even an empty-headed normie can understand, if the woman you loved is hanging out with a male work colleague, you'd still be a tad upset. Normal people will get angry about their girlfriends having male friends all the time because men are naturally possessive. The fact fans of idols are willing to share among each other is solely because their oshi is unapproachable to all of them mutually. Unapproachable until they're hanging out with other dudes at least, then they're just not yours at all. There's only jealousy then.

>>49587968
alack of understanding or respect for the industry/culture, I mean

>>49587924
>spewing random bullshit to justify his retarded delusions
The thing about the internet is that you can spout horseshit like this with no repercussion and not get to have your balls kicked into your pelvis at a response.

>>49587565
He is obviously wrong, people do care, however I'd say it tends to escalate in tiers basically.

When the chuuba stumbles into this subject and is somehow naive about it (or at least pretends to be) it it's "whatever, she didn't know we don't care about males, but maybe she should so that she keeps making good content." Like was said here most people don't hate males on principle but just find them boring, or distracting, or are burned on the idea after experiencing dudes fundamentally altering a chuuba they liked (nijiEN is not the only example, look at nyanners/vei).

If she knows what a lot of viewers' preference is and does it again anyway it's "ok she should know for-sure but is doing it again, she either doesn't take us seriously or still doesn't understand that this is making her streams less watchable for us and makes her not want to support her as much."

If she starts getting uppity and lecturing the audience about what their taste should be, -that- is the point things actually boil over, like what Kronii and Ame did. All it takes is one such incident to clear up all doubts of "maybe she's just dense and still doesn't understand" and turns it into "ok she knows but is asking us to change our preferences or get lost" which is naturally a fucking stupid thing to ask of people who are not held captive and can start to just filter out to somewhere/one else. What I think is if a chuuba assumes she has complete dominance over the viewership and views them as just a bunch of helpless simps, then she can dare to try something like this because she unironically thinks she can boss her fans into submission. Some of them will crack instantly (i.e a lot of redditors and twitter smoothbrains) but those who start to see her for what she is become disillusioned with how she regards the fan/chuuba dynamic.

>>49560179
Doesn't bother me unless they have gay voice or that gross troon voice.

>>49587968
In order for an idol to be an idol, they need to be unconditionally loved, in order for that they need to be untainted. Otherwise they're just a normal replaceable entertainer that doesn't matter that much to people.

>>49560179
I hate male collabs solely because the reactions to them are always in the extremes. Either you have homobeggars who preach about stigmas and scream at talents for not collabing enough with males, or you have the unicorns and other shitposters who act childish about male-female relationships and scream at talents for even mentioning males.
It's just a goddamn collab, it's not worth to get your panties in a bunch because of it either way.

>>49560179
The biggest audience for female vtubers are males, most of the people posting about vtubers /here/ or in any other place online is probably pretty committed to watching them, so they're most likely losers who get very insecure when they see male vtubers flirting/joking with the girls. Simple as really.

>>49560179
>Why do male collabs bother you so much?
I have summarized some points for (You) below to consider, in summary what i have seen so far on this board.

Whether you watch or not is simply a matter of taste which is fine. Sometimes the type of content you prefer is better delivered by a woman instead of a man or vice-versa, which is also fine. The audiences that male and female VTubers can build can have great overlap but also great separation depending on how you interact with the audience and the content produced. This much should be easy to understand for why a sensible, regular human being would not really like a collab between specific talents in general. Unless they match up in the content that they do, it's essentially a shift from the norm which is also okay. You can simply watch something else.
These fuckers right here understand exactly what i'm talking about:
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>>49584152
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>>49585413
>>49584692
>>49581990
>>49582751
>>49583988
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>>49588694


When it comes to the ceaseless seething however, the biggest issue is that people are simply being retarded. Who else would seethe about it?
Trolls, tribalfags, numberniggers who don't know how resources distribution works and dramaniggers are also prominent and always starting shit up. Don't entertain their baits.
See some examples here:
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>>49588231

Actual, seething unicorns are rare, overpossessive attention whores with self esteem issues that can't enjoy the content when they aren't the MAIN focus.
See:
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>>49573190
>>49573918
>>49584048
This anon (>>49560548) at least has some self awareness and control.

There has also been an issue coming from falseflaggers and retards who project the issues nijifags have with NijiEN males to every other male EN VTuber in the corpo sphere.
These anons
>>49562090
>>49584579
for example who have cited sources about why some NijiEN male collabs have been unpleasant or unusual in an isolated argument, whereas this retard
>>49560767
has extended it to everything else and starts extrapolating out their ass.

Stop biting the bait. (You) can do better than this.

>>49590457
don't (you) everyone in the thread without even reading what they typed, daft faggot

https://youtu.be/6x8M-YODaaw Y'all need JESUS

>>49560179
something anon isn't in a happy relationship if he needs to supplement it with being a parasocial fuck. Assuming he has a girl KEK

>>49560179
I don't like watching fags
Male vtubers are all fags
ergo I derive no enjoyment from Male vtubers and don't want them making content I would otherwise watch unenjoyable

>>49560179
>Why do male collabs bother you so much?
Hololive is about cute girls doing cute things. Males don't belong in it any more than women belong in a gay porn. Didn't read the rest of your post btw.

>>49590457
>Actual, seething unicorns are rare, overpossessive attention whores with self esteem issues that can't enjoy the content when they aren't the MAIN focus.
my oshi is my literal girlfriend and it's natural to seethe endlessly if you find her flirting with another guy
>she's not your girlfriend!!!
sorry you feel that way

>>49566303
Kronii is borderline anorexic and Ina is almost Mori tier thicc. The way the other girls talk about them Bae and Kronii are the hottest irl.

>>49560179
I'm a wine enthusiast and today I'm attending a wine-tasting event.

>Here, buddy, drink this beer too.
I have nothing against beer, I even had one yesterday, however, I came to this event to only taste wine.

>You are missing out, but I won't push you to drink the beer. You must respect the bottle equality though. Some of the bottles contain wine, others contain beer. It's up to you to check each bottle carefully before drinking from it.
I have been attending this event for years and it was all about tasting wine in the past. We can have separate events for tasting wine and tasting beer.

>Listen, see those tables over there? There are no beers on them. You can sit there, but don't push your views on others. Our community will talk both about wine and beer indiscriminately. You wouldn't want to oppress the producers and tell them what to do, right? They are human beings and can produce whatever they want.
When the producers participate in wine-only events, they know what the events are about. They can freely choose between wine-only or mixed events.

>The mere existence of wine-only events serves as a foundation for a toxic exclusionary culture that is against the progressive ideals of our society. Wake up, buddy, it's 2023.

>>49560179
Because i'm nether a fag, nor i would let a cheating woman alive (not necesseraly even mine, if my brother wife cheat him, she is dead)

>>49585570
Casuals might as well not exist, they don't benefit the talents in any way.

In case none of you know already. Sit down Anon,
>They ALL HAVE BOYFRIENDS AND GIRLFRIEND'S.
EVERY NIGHT CHAD or STACEY are FUCKING YOU'RE OHSHI'S BRAIN'S OUT. KEK YOU'LL NEVER FEEL HER TOUCH...YOU'RE too soft for her anyways. o7

>>49590457
you are beyond retarded if you think my seething is not real

>>49592086
Liar.

>>49560179
Fuck you faggot, nijiniggers already set the precedent for male collabs

>>49592086
sorry you feel that way cuck

>>49560767
>vesper
>flirt
anon u sure u get the right guy?
also how vesper creepy the dude is literally just tech nerd boomer. which isnt it just most people here.

>>49590457
You sound like a bigger faggot than the unicorns on this board

>>49560179
People watch vtubers for escapism, not to be reminded of their own loneliness.

>>49560340
So true sister!!!! Are you >>49560512
btw?

>>49560767
>Dumb nigger embarasses himself in front of 150+ IPs
What a way to out yourself that you DON'T watch tempus.

>>49560179
The same reason I despise people who watch female streamers, fags watch them.

>>49560179
it's tranny behavior, pay it no mind.

>>49573190
What do you mean "more" fun? What do you mean "third wheel"? What do you fucking mean? Do you believe yourself to be a part of holo? Like in tandem withe other streamers? You're not literally there, you CANNOT be the "ignored" one, and if you are, so is the literal other thousands of viewers. And isn't that just... normal fucking ocurrence on any fucking collab??? Where the chuubas talk to each other or about the game they're playing and barely paying attention to chat???

>>49560179
they go against the whole idolshit that even yagoo advocated for
live by the sword, die by the sword

>>49561547
You clearly don't understand just how dangerous the green eyed monster is, why do you think Jealousy falls under Envy, one of the Seven ->DEADLY<- sins?

>>49595844
Streams are dates with the fans.

>>49560767
>homosisters deflecting this hard
Starting to understand that it's women who defend those who offend/rape/abuse their fellow women if the abuser is someone worthwhile

>>49560179
First of all, Yagoo is not as retarded as you, so don't shitpost with him. And at no point he intended or intends for males to be part of girls side of hololive, and this is why Holostars is an entire another branch of Holopro.

You simply don't understand Idol culture. It's a concept foreign to you, it's like a psychopath trying do understand what emotions are. You are only a viewer, not a fan of an idol, so you can't begin to grasp it, to you it's just silly that other people do things in a way you don't.

An Idol is not just a singer, it's an IDOL, a god, someone you can follow until the end of times (look up definitions of Idol).

The same way a fan will dedicate their whole lives to their idol, it's expected of the idol to dedicate her entire life to her fans. But to you, streaming and being an idol is just a job that you switch or dump whenever you feel like, and the viewer just switch and dumps whenever they feel like. The same applies to when an idol has bf/gf. It means that the idol isn't dedicating its life to being an idol, because the idol is being distracted by other things. And this concept didn't even begin with idol culture, it began with young boys training to be baseball league players, they would be banned from having girlfriends or overly interacting with girls, because that would mean they aren't dedicating their lives to being a baseball player. Maybe applying sports logic would make more sense to you, a fan of an idol, is like a hardcore fan of a sports team. Even if the idol doesn't have many fans, that don't bother you, what bothers you is the team taking a direction you don't like.
I can give you an example that will help you understand, donating and giving your time to an idol, just to have her spend that money on someone else not related to her activity as an idol, is just like donating money to someone streaming a cute puppy, just to discover that the money was spent to a trip to disney without the puppy, you would feel betrayed, at the very least you would feel bad for being such a fool.

An idol collabing with someone that their fans don't like is betraying them, the thought of "this isn't the kind of idol I want to support", and one of the strongest precedents for modern idols was set by shows such as Idolmaster and early idol groups such as morning musume and AKB48, which are basically cgdct with singing and dancing. Imagine how people would feel if Jesus came back to life and made a collab with a famous dead human, like Hitler for example, because surely he was pardoned for being a good christian. Surely even you could see how some priests would feel "cucked" by this collab even though Jesus and Hitler aren't fucking behind the scenes, and some would revel thinking about such a collab. Of course, this is an exaggeration, but it's easier to have even the densest of the motherfuckers to understand things this way.

At this point, I would like tell you that even though a lot of people say "cucked", they don't mean it in the literal sense, especially since you would need to actually be in a relationship with said person to even be a cuck to begin with. For some reason, they equate the feeling of being betrayed, or the feeling of loss with "being cucked".

Also, this is only one of the originals views on idols, that began in early 2000's (obviously at the time, there were already people who just wanted to fuck them, or viewed them as their actual gf/bf). Nowadays, especially in the english community, there are many ramifications of it, some closer to this, and some very far from it, alongside ones that are terribly corrupt, like groomers who want to more aggressively and directly control their idols.

But these words are probably lost on you, you will most likely not try to understand it, you will possibly try to antagonize it. For some people it's naive for someone to have a dream as innocent as being an idol, and it's even more naive for other adults to believe so much in someone that has such dream.

>>49597019
i ate a popsicle and it turned my tongue a funny color

>>49597019
tl;dr take your meds

>>49560179
/vt/ are rabid mtf lesbians and hate men like every hardcore tranny. The only want to see love between each of their chuubas in lesbian relationships and any dicks involved makes them gag because they've chopped their dicks off and hate their lives.

>>49560179
Males ruin the dynamic.
It changes things.
Also I like my idols and or parasocial chuubas to not interact with males

>>49597140
No anon, that's only nijisisters and vshojofags
and they LOVE male collabs

>>49560179
Ruins the dynamic and completely changes the atmosphere in a collab.

>>49597140
Based broad humanity hater without discrimination.

>>49592473
If they think Vesper's a creep they haven't seen Luca.

>>49560179
>trying to understand and reason with mentally ill/underdeveloped people
Good luck, OP.

>>49560179
Kill yourself

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>>49563217
You're selling a fantasy.
I don't fantasize about watching women with other men.
Shut the fuck up and do your job or go back to working retail/food service you talentless cunts.

>>49560179
My oshi isn't in Hololive, so just ignore your "corporate side will keep things clean" cope
My own oshi actually addressed this before. She said that she understands that the fans who are opposed to male collabs do so because they love her. In other words, she basically associates Unicorns with gachikoi, and as such, refuses to collab with men because she doesn't want to hurt her gachikoi.

>>49560179
It makes the numbers funnier

>>49599961
again, being insecure/feeling cucked by vesper of all people It's the lamest thing i ever see

>>49597688
>love female x male collabs
>the opposite of why I was calling /vt/ trannies
Holy fucking reading comprehension you dyke

>>49599961
t.greyfag

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>>49560179
I think everyone already said it but it just ruins the vibe, I watch vtubers for CGDCT and when they’re constantly talking about their male friends or hanging out with them, that ruins the immersion and takes me out of it, there’s also the part where i’m not gay so i don’t find male vtubers cute, i actually find most of tempus really cringy, i’ve tried watching them but the idea of male vtubers is just cringe to me, so i don’t want them invading the female vtubing space

>>49597785
the only who ruins things are unicorns who make a tantrum every time this happened

>>49600987
Anti Unicorns can be far worse depending on the fanbase.
I've seen Anti Unicorns act so violently towards Unicorns that it forced the Vtuber herself to lash out at them and tell them to cut it out, describing the behaviour as "worse than antis"

>>49600987
Schizo unicorns usually show up only for the first few mixed collabs a vtuber does and then they dissappear. Homobeggars are on every girl's chat waiting to spam about the homos 24/7, even when the girl hasn't talked about their homos

>>49594097
No one watches tempus idiot, they’re a complete flop

>>49597019
All this is doing is justifying Kronii's take that idol culture can encourage bad behavior amongst fans.

>>49600987
Based unicorn.

>>49602108
Gotta protect purity.

>>49587968
>Girls are pure, men aren't.
Lol, fucking LMAO. Yeah, sure, women are so pure that overwhelming majority had sexual experience before they even turned 20. And men are so horrible and unpure that that 50-60% stay virgins well into their 30s.

>>49560179
She is there to entertain ME, not some retarded faggot. That's her job

>>49602573
The men are foul-mouthed and disgusting most of the girls attempt to act proper. You can't be this fucking stupid

>>49602804
>The men are foul-mouthed and disgusting most of the girls attempt to act proper.
Take a step outside sometimes, talk to some real people, alright?

>>49602573
That's why pure women are more prized than ever. It's not like the modern women being skanky means modern men hate beauty. Women have always been a symbol of purity. How many famous women in history have "was a maiden" attached to their name as a badge of honor?

>>49560179
retard reddit sister
they are there to entertain you, looking at 2 people of the opposite sex flirting and being friendly with each other is not entertainment. It is bragging about how much interactions they can have off-stream and mocking viewers who can only interact with them on stream, but even that is being taking away.

>>49560179
Most people here are aggressively sexist and view women as objects for their possession and consumption. They assume all other men hold the same views as them, and as such another man interacting with a woman they are interested in is a threat of having something that is "theirs" taken and destroyed by someone else.

>>49604578
sister, you should know all men think about sex, the ones who isn't desperate are the handsome ones that can choose. "We are just friends" is a red flag to both guys and girls with a partner. You think men are sexist, but wait till you learn about the female fans of male vtubers. Vtubers are online personality, your only interaction with them are on stream, but someone come and ruin that too, getting mad about that is sexist now huh? you sound like a twitard.

>>49604321
>looking at 2 people of the opposite sex flirting and being friendly with each other is not entertainment
Explain why romcom always btfo moeblobs shows then8

>>49560179
All those words just to tell us ur a cuck

>>49560179
>I just don't understand why people might have preferences.
>Yes, I'm that retarded.
Based retard OP.

>>49599961
this, why in the fucking shit are people getting fucking pretentious about anime girl streaming. why do vtubers think they're fucking Rosa Parks on the bus for going out of their way to spite fans. there is not ethical or moral question/dilemma here in the fucking slightest, some if not most people just do not want to see dude vtubers.

>>49560179
uh idk op, its almost like giving any attention to fucking homos is reason why we havent got en3 FOR TWO FUCKING YEARS

>>49562090
Jezas all this cucking

>>49560179
> have a girlfriend with male friends

lmao

i don’t mind males and females collabing unless it’s an Idol, parasocial panderer or GFE.

>>49560179
If you had the option to eat ice cream or a pile of shit which would you choose? And if you chose ice cream would you want shit mixed in with it?