/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

Not even Manjisanji can compete, all the idols posting huge numbers, even Kuzuha looking mid-tier

>>4948232
Oh wow coco is really inclining, did something happen?
Hahaha fucking kill me

>>4948232

>>4948232
>>4948358
how does she do it?

>>4948232
Nijisanji is cool and all but don't they get tired streaming the same content over and over? I really pity Mito. It's like none of her colleagues are even trying anymore.

>>4948358
Another day of Nijisanji getting absolutely curb stomped in viewers. Sadness all around for Zhangjisanji. Hope the Chinese money is at least making up for how much you are getting destroyed everywhere else.

>>4948294
so true anon. since he's basically a hasbeen now, you can stop talking about him in these threads now, right?

>>4948232
>pika boosting ina's viewership to the top 5
NAISUUU

>>4948459
She sings real good

>>4948484
Apex must be played.

superchats from yesterday

>>4948459
ID is inclining? Good for them.

So I may have heard that the nijipex tourney is being postponed? Or is it still today?

>>4948660
looks like she won`t lose #1 even this month

>>4948714
Do you mean the final maybe? Because its already on 3rd day

>>4948769
sure, whatever day is supposed to get the huge numbers for the niji detonator apex thing.I heard it was the 12th, but potentially has been postponed?

>>4948459
Her Bad Romance cover made me unironically feel things

>>4948660
>>4948718
13k for just a regular stream? Fandead I kneel...

>>4948660
How is Mel mama so good at milking her viewers? Mel needs to learn a thing or 2

>>4948881
I guess they're pulling out all the stops to make sure she doesn't leave them

I'm happy for Migo.

What's the site you're anons using?

>>4948232
>>4948232
Hololive>>>>>indies(Shibuya Hal/Pikamee/Shigure Ui and more)>Niji=Vshojo=Noripro
What can they do to save this sinking ship called Nijisanji? Their capitals are way bigger than Cover, they spend way more money than Cover to run the company but their results are mediocre.

>>4949380
Who was Hal collabing with today to boost him up that high anonchama?

what numbers will coco's graduation get?

>>4949436
250k viewers, $200k superchats

>>4948484
Not everyone can play minecraft all day every day.

>>4949454
cover should just graduate someone each month for maximum profits

>>4949455
Pekora plays Minecraft once a week, and they aren't even her biggest streams. She's only now doing 2 or 3 a week because they are rushing to finish the project before coco leaves

>>4949508
Ok.

>>4949492
Redundant thing gets boring pretty quickly, which leads to less traffics, which leads to less profits.

>>4949436
Same number as her subscriber count

I hope

>>4948718
Not at this rate

>>4948358
Happy to see that pink cat is doing well.

>Kuzuha streams late again
>holobronies: it's over! nijisanji is finished!
Obsessed

>>4949794
Welcome to the numbers thread

>>4949794
>late
>8 pm jst

>>4949794
stop setting him up retard

>>4949436
Easily over 200k

>>4948358
I'm really surprised Gwelu is doing so well.

>>4948358
nyanners above rushia
what a world we live in

>>4949840
He's mentally handicapped, leave him be.

>>4949637
jeesas

>>4950090
jeesas indeed, tatsunokos must have love cover so much to throw money at them instead of the other account

Ok, im confused as fuck right now. Are all the Nijipex streams just prep for the tourney or is the actual tourney happening right now with the final happening this weekend?

>>4950264
Last scrims today.
Tomorrow the tourney starts.

>>4948232
Nijiniggers doko?

>>4949990
He is a god at Apex. DID bows to him.

>>4950282
oh boy...

>>4949418
I'm talking about their overall powerlevel and potential, not just this one stream.

>>4950282
actually with the whole graduation thing going on its possible only the numbers thread will turn into a shitshow.

predicting a 90k peak for nijipex mainstream

This zatsudan is now Coco's most superchatted stream ever, I can't even imagine how much the graduation live is going to smash the record.

>>4952025
WTF and it's not even done?

>>4952025
Tatsunokos I kneel

>>4952025
Tatsunokos need to chill and spend their money on her graduation instead. Gotta beat that blue fuwaggot

>>4949794
Cope loser.

>>4952025
She should have opened streamlabs instead.

>>4949794
holy cope

>>4952255
What makes you think that these people don't have thousands in laundered cash just waiting to be blown on hookers, blow and Coco superchats?

>>4952255
No worry.
There is enough time for their next pay er... I mean graduation stream fee.

>>4949794
Kuzuha hard carrying Nijisanji. It's a shame that there is too much dead wait niji livers that undermine his constant overperformance. Man should just graduate already. I'm sure his army of apex kiddz will follow him wherever he goes.

>>4952025
Holy shit won`t they ever run out of money?

>>4952255
You mean the yellow faggette

>>4949637
How much money is Coco gonna make in June alone. Jesus christ, she might make half a million dollars in a single month if she keeps this up. Her subcount had exploded as well. Literary Gained 60k subscribers within this week alone. 2nd highest growth this month beating Callie. Has overtook both Amelia and Lucia in subcount. Her roommate is close to half a million subscribers.

>>4952406
Coco graduating and still keeping her audience of holosimps sets a good precedent for corpo vtubers. If Kuzuha is smart, he should abandon the sinking Nijisanji ship before it's too late.

How can you even feel bad for Coco when she's getting money and subs thrown at her like crazy?

>>4952582
Lucia? Literary? Callie? DOUBLE check your garbage ya illiterate turd.

>>4952690
all he wants to do is play pewpew video game every day like an autist, being in nijisanji doesn't stop him from doing that. he has no reason to graduate at the moment.

>>4952784
Why are you taking his post seriously?

>>4952712
I don't, she'll be happier wherever she ends up too
I'm just mad at cover for being so fucking dogshit at managing their talents

>>4948459
Based Moon with the incline

>>4952911
take your anger elsewhere retard, nobody here cares

>>4952784
Still don't get how is he able to entertain his viewers with the same content almost everyday. Does he talk the same stuff or talk about a topic when chat bring it up?

>>4952025
Damn, Cover is really sucking Cocock dry before she leaves huh. No wonder her graduation is on payday. Cover probably regrets that they'll be losing one of their biggest paycows if not the biggest. Wasn't Coco's freechat getting bombarded with superchats during her suspension and break? Rushia can't compete lmao.

>>4949508
Cmon anon im a holofag but most of the girls stream minecraft several times a week, the likes of moona, watame, nene, flare, pekora, miko and etc will have like 6/8 streams be minecraft

>>4952951
I am mad at cover for mismanaging a talent that can earn $52,804 in one stream where she got upwards of 29,052 live viewers, which is a lot more numbers than the talents of the company I do not watch who can only muster up a measly 26,421 live viewers, and therefore that company is garbage and the dragon is good in large part due to the discrepancy in their numbers but not only

>>4953004
He talks about random stuff and has funny reactions. He's usually pretty good at interacting with chat or suupas, too.

>>4953064
fuck off with your weak baits

>>4951088
that's too low. HAL got 110k, and this nijipex has better ads. They'll get at least 100k. 150k is possible. 200k at a very low chance.

>>4953006
Cover even negotiated better cuts for Coco, but she refused the extra money.

I don't watch either of them but I got curious.
How do the Holostars numbers compare to a run of the mill Nijimale?
I'm not talking about outliers like Kuzuha or Kanae here, just a bog standard one.

>>4953270
Sauce on that rrat?

>>4948890
Goes 110% on pandering to lonely dudes. Calls them her boyfriend, does kisses all the time, drawing borderline ecchi stuff. She's making like 1k+ from 200 or less people watching so that's impressing but it's probably too degrading for most streamers to be willing to do.

>>4953358
Astel and Roberu are at the level of kanda and few niji males i can't name and they are middle low level(1-2k). The rest are at hajime and naruse level of low (300-400)

>>4953358
Requesting someone post the May numbers. This is April. I would put the top viewed Stars, Roberu and Astel, above Masaru. Around 1k on a good day.
Then there are the males from the ID and KR branches. KR boys get trampled number wise. Not sure about ID.

>>4953574
I don't know the numbers of any of them so that doesn't really help much.
What I'm trying to get at is if there's any difference between them or is the Holo brand making them more popular or are the Holo restrictions making them less popular in comparison.

>>4952690
For real Coco leaving puts everyone on notice that after you build your fanbase if you leave with good justification your fans will follow you and you get to keep Cover's cut. In turn in theory this should force Cover to adapt or die, catering to their talent's needs and wants to make sure living in their ecosystem is as good or better than the indie life in terms of QOL and money. Surely they wouldn't be complete fucktards and kill the golden goose...

Right?

Happy for these dorks

>>4953708
In the beginning the Holo brand was a massive debuff. They were getting double digit views if they were lucky. Their first graduation was Suzaku, due to Cover not helping him get a better computer. He couldn't stream.

>>4953842
Did anyone else read that P-san interview where he talked about HoloEN not having generations, and having the sudden sinking realization their upper management might actually be the clown show it's memed to be? Jesus Cover

>>4953708
>>4953842
you could argue they don't exactly get to fully benefit from the holo brand to begin with

>>4953876
What does that have to with upper management clownery? They are not seperated by generations but theme because subaru said that they are not meant to be idol unit (yet).

>>4953876
neither does HoloJP since gen 3. Its 3=fantasy; 4=force; 5=i dont remember, but they still work as generations all the same.

>>4948484
Mito isn’t the only one who doesn’t play Apex

>>4948484
>>4948646
Most nijisanji don't play apex regularly. There's a reason they had difficult to put out nijisanji members of jp even with 103 members. And even so, Hoshikawa and others who don't play apex regularly are in the tournament.

>>4953219
No way they got more than Hal. Hal had 22k on average on observer, while Kanda had 5k. Even a literal who like Reid had 10k on observer during CR cup. There are less scrims day, less hype, less viewer on average. Gwelu is the only one overperforming.

>>4955150
I think it’ll get at least 100k

>>4953713
Well they did post a bunch of job listings for new managers recently. What I think happened is they realized these managers screwed up with Coco so they fired them and are bringing in new blood. You can already see from Polka's "Legend of Polka" and Ame going through the motions to make her own clips that they have already corrected course a bit. Hopefully this is the new norm.

kind of feel like people are overestimating nijipex numbers based on not much. then when it underperforms compared to these massive projections people will say flop.

>>4954069
>5=i dont remember
Holofive...

>>4955559
i don't get why they're obsessing over nijipex commentator numbers, when viewers will be spread amongst all the participants and get more views than the commentator

>>4955559
That's exactly why they are overestimating. It's to be able to say that.

>>4956572
numberfags don't think on context

>>4956572
on most tournaments in the past when the final results are announced its only the host channel that broadcasts them forcing everyone onto it, no idea if niji will do the same though

>>4956572
numbers thread, anon. this means logic is cope and context doesn't matter.

>>4956572
>>4956617
Because that's how it is, retard nijiniggers. Every tourney in the past with great numbers are always higher in views than participant's POV. When Kuzuha, Chihiro hit 40~50k viewers in Vsaikyou, the main channel had 110k viewers. It's the same shit in CR cup. Combine the participant's POV viewers then sure nijipex can reach 150k, but it won't reach Vtuber tourney or CR cup number.

>>4956869
right because nijisanji totally has the same amount of hype and relevance in apex scene as shibuya hal or crazyracoon lol

>>4956951
We'll find out this weekend.

>>4952690
>Coco graduating and still keeping her audience of holosimps sets a good precedent for corpo vtubers.
If corpos were smart they should have a 'post-graduation strategies'. There's no reason alumni should be kicked to the curb never to be seen or heard from again. Imagine holding special alumni concerts, for example, a special alumni Gibara concert.

How could these agencies be so inept? It's easy nostalgia-bucks. This is already done in the sports business with shows like all-star events and Hall-of-fame.

>>4957764
Exactly this. If someone is leaving on decent terms, not burning any bridges, then all options could be kept open.

Like imagine if a talent agency refused to work with an A-list actor again because they changed agencies before.

>>4954069
>5=i dont remember
NePoLaBo

>>4957764
That's how I'd like it to work, but they may be concerned about ex-members effectively shilling their new incarnations post graduation. Unlike retired sports stars, hololive graduates may go on to directly compete against hololive.

>>4957764
The nips fetishizes impermanence almost pathologically

>>4957764
I meant Coco already hinted that she might return, so having cameos here and there is not impossible.

>>4959173
>but they may be concerned about ex-members effectively shilling their new incarnations post graduation
This isn't much of a concern because the same things happens with actors with tv show reunions. The film and TV business has solved that problem ages ago, there's no reason vtuber agencies can't do the same.

>>4948294
manji-anon, you're alright.... don't look at the numbers for the 12th.

>>4959574
I don't really watch tv so I don't know, but surely tv shows aren't in the same type of direct competition as vtubers, who are competing over a much more finite audience that can only watch and simp to a limited number of girls at once. Like, if someone released game of thrones 2 at the same time as a lord of the rings series, people would just watch both?

>>4956572
its more about the numbers at the final scoring. All viewers will go to the main channel to watch. That is where you'll get 200k+

>>4957764
Cover only wants them to be successful through Cover. That’s the point of it.

>>4957764
I would love them to at leasr being them to the main channel for certain events. Like cameos and such.

>>4948660

Jesus... rushia has some pay pigs

How does she do it?

>>4957764
This isn't a common thing in my experience. The only thing that comes to mind at the moment is when Up-Front formed Dream Morning Musume from graduated members of Morning Musume.

>>4959801
>200k+
Is that the expected audience for tomorrow?

>>4962696
only if you're a retard

>>4962857
we'll see who's the retard tomorow, retard.

Yesterday's superchats

>>4963213
how come kagami gets so much superchats

>>4963315
His fanbase is sugarmommies and fellow CEOs

>>4963097
See you in the numbers thread tomorrow, nijinigger.

>>4963213
Number 15 has 1.51k subs by the way (yes that decimal point is in the right place)

>>4963481
MUST SAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAVE

Holy shit, image thinking the tourney won't hit at least 200k when Fuwa's 3D got 145k just a week ago. Unless Niji's viewers are planning to boycott the tourney by not watching it or something 200k is basically guaranteed.

>>4963481
jesus, she beat pekora who has 1000 times as many subs that's insane

>>4963900
>comparing apex to 3D debut
anon?

>>4964149
Comparing the max Niji audience in a minor event to a major event.

>>4963900
cope

>>4960155
she smol and cute must protec

>>4964538
>minor event
>shill it and didnt let anyone else stream over it
meds

>>4963900
>>4964538
medicación porfa

>>4963481
Think she had a 3d reveal

>>4966147
Never mind I’m retarded don’t reply to this

>>4963900
Unlike Fuwa's stream, there'll be a shitload of pov in Apex tournament. Some people will just stick to their oshi's pov and not caring about the main channel. The main channel will get 120k at best and below 90k at worst.

Coco has retaken the overall lead

The slow subscriber bleed is still ongoing. If NRKM's rrat about Cover crawling back to China proves to be true, shit's going to get messy.

>>4966046
So? They shilled Roboco's as well and nobody streamed over her either yet she got 100k less.

>>4966315
Stream wasn't KINO and BASED enough

>>4966203
That means you'll have to take the POVs into account as well then. Even easier to hit 200k that way.

>>4966315
Difference in quality and hype.

>>4966502
Once my oshi is done streaming, I'm done with the tournament. I might check Twitter if I'm curious how other teams did but me watching ends when his stream does. No intention of checking the main channel and I doubt I'm the only one who thinks like this.

>>4966503
Not really. Hololive's outfit reveals are more popular than their 3D streams. And Roboco's was an outfit reveal AND a 3D stream combined.

>>4966677
>unpopular chuuba gets low numbers
simple as

>>4966677
that just makes it cringier that she couldn't outview someone she has almost twice the subcount of

>>4966594
I like checking it out for interviews if there are any or the results

>>4966677
Doesn't change that is a difference in quality and hype for Fuwa's stream and Roboco's stream. Fuwa's was hyped for almost 6 months.

>>4966284
Narukami just parrots 5ch and matome sites.
It’d be like someone parroting 4chan rrats as news.

>>4967003
>someone parroting 4chan rrats as news
we need this chuuba now

>>4967070
and it needs to be a cute boy

>>4966284
It's just hardcore Coco fans disengaging from Hololive. If you take anything Narukami says seriously at all there aren't enough numbers in the world to properly measure how retarded you are.

>>4953673
>Requesting someone post the May numbers.
Anon here with a delivery.

>>4968649
The number between parentheses is how many streams they did for the month? Is Kanae Channel ever NOT streaming?

>>4968649
I saw a list with hololive streaming numbers. Basically they'd have 16 in the niji top tier, 14 in the niji 2nd tier, 8 in the niji 3rd tier, and only homos and SEAs filling out the rest.

>>4968649
Thanks. I averaged highest views for Roberu and Astel for all of their streams in the month of May.
Roberu: 1212 (27 streams)
Astel: 1288 (31 streams) (not counting unarchived)
On this chart, Roberu would be right under Riri, and Astel would be right under Nagao.

>>4969929
that's pretty interesting. thanks for your time anon.

>>4969209
Kanae is a stream monster, whenever he's sick he'll still stream.

>>4966284
I just check and they have their numbers back

>>4948864
thank you and thank archivers

>>4953358
Here are Holostars numbers for the month of May.

>>4972414
Compare Nijisanji with Hololive. I don't think people compare their live stream numbers as a whole against each other.

>>4972414
Can't believe that Holostars are actually inclining. Three of them now are on the mid tier level of Nijisanji.

>>4972674
Aruran declined quite a bit but he streams at bad times for his EOP audience so its expected.
Miyabi and Tenma were 100-200 view streamers earlier in the year.
Astel is consistently above 1k now since the Hal tourney (used to be below 500) and reaches as high as 3k during his unarchived karaokes.
Roberu is pretty consistent now getting above 1k.

>>4972674
Astel would be killing it if he was in Niji. He is better at Apex than any of the Niji males and he is a damn good singer too. I'd put him in the same league as Joe in that regard. He is supremely talented...........shame he is such a weirdo, lol.

>>4973088
He's shy, he would do worse in Nijisanji

>>4973088
>>4973276
He is also a menhera so he can be successful as you say or just end up as naruse/hajime V.2

>>4973565
menhera males in niji?

>>4973565
I need a qrd on these two.

>>4972484
Is there a site like holostats for nijisanji?

>>4972484
Like this? Raw figures taken from VNUMA

>>4975271
what happened at that peak?

>>4975295
new year outfits and celebration streams

>>4975295
I think PekoMoona Minecraft craze was around November.

>>4975271
>2019
>strong Niji lead dwindles towards the end
>2020
>suddenly Hololive explodes out ahead and triples Nijisanji by the end of 2020 despite having 60 less members
The tale of the tape barely makes sense.

>>4975368
Sports festival too

>>4977310
And EN honeymoon phase.

>>4975271
people say niji is dying but it looks quite consistent

>>4978078
>consistent
That's a funny way to say 'stagnant', Anon. Look at the trends for each year. Going up from 2019 to 2020, and then from 2020 to 2021, but then then the line points down on all of 2021.

Nijicucks...what happen? Didn't you say this tournament is going to be huge?

>>4978285
Is it over?

>>4972674
that's not mid tier level though. That's the second last row of nijisanji, the row of 1k. Not bad at all though, they are doing well.

>>4962696
yes, Niji pulled out all the stops on this, if it doesn't hit 200k then its a failure of the tournament organizers.

>>4978285
>>4978307
Barely started yet, Is this big enough for you?

>>4978403
Those are 2nd tier holo outfit reveal numbers, or just pekora fucking around in minecraft. So no, not big enough, though it's far too early to mean anything yet.

>>4978403
>Is this big enough for you?
No? You guys said it's gonna get 200k+, 50k is nothing, Pekora can get this much by doing normal stream.

>>4975271
Wait, hololive overtook the niji lead before covid lockdowns and FBK/Korone memes? That isn't the narrative I've been fed.

>>4978403
90k peak as i said before
all DTN presented is small fry, they needed all the heavy hitters, like shaka sn4 spygea, to have a chance at breaking 200
>>4978219
you know holo will not grow forever either
many old vtubers wish for such "stagnation"

>>4978554
>holofags say it will get 200k with no proof
>nijifags refute this
>it doesnt get 200k
>holofags laugh at each other
makes me think

this is not the actual tournament is it or is it just scrims?

>>4978574
That's 4th gen+ARK
Basically Coco.

KAF love!

>>4948232
Pekomiko at the top... balanced like all things as it should be

>>4978578
is this the final? or at what point in the tourney are we now?
but yeah these are still small fries

>>4978403
Its more hilarious that they're only doing so much considering that everyone on hololive backed down outside of pekora's obligatory weekend stream and matsuri joining the tourney herself.

>>4978699
KAF Supreme!

>>4975271
What's with the drop at September? Even nijis felt a slight one there.

Ok, I'm gonna cope and say that people are boycotting the tourney by not giving it views now.

>>4978783
China thing is my guess

>>4948317
I can't believe Coco announced her graduation because of the big Nijipex event.

>>4978653
Today is the tourney. Scrims were only 3 days. Can't say I'm into it as much as CR Cup or vtuber cup. The Hoshikawa/HAL training stream was fun tho.

>Matsuri 3.3k watching
>Towa 3.8k
Fuck you holofags, we're taking you down too. Your bitches are getting terrible views.

Well a lot of Niji JP fans weren't happy about this anyway, They hate that pros and outsiders are basically involved and wanted full Niji teams.

>>4978970
quite decent numbers, considering they both are by far the weakest members of their teams

About 150k total viewers from niji side

This is basically a normal APEX game for Kuzuha in terms of views, what the fuck. I guess people really weren't happy.

>>4979205
Is grouping all the streams together a valid metric?

Oh Matsuri won.

>>4973824
Japanese always meme hajime. The other shibuya that isn't HAL.
>>4978970
Thats normal for holos tho. Towa only got higher in APEX when she got the Selly buff. Holo audience does not like APEX, which is sad for the addict Matsuri.

>>4979346
Yukio's too strong. Chihiro can just go ape and not get punished as hard as when she's with Kuzuha and Kanae.

>>4979311
No, but im trying to guess the tally number for final when all streamers direct their viewers there.

Well that's a bit disappointing, guess pro players get a super major boost compare to normal streamers, dota major yesterday peak at 580k viewers.

>>4979427
no shit, the only people watching this are nijisanji fans, not apex fans.

predictable...

>>4978970
>>4978970
I might show up fo Towa's singing but I don't care a with about Apex. I suspect half her viewership thinks the same way.at least.

>>4979468
Thats kinda true and we know not all APEX fans are consistent/loyal based on Kuzuha's numbers going down when it isn't APEX.

>>4979535
Thats usually the case for APEX. Matsuri can get more views on singing streams too. Holos just don't have many APEX fans except maybe Aqua. Ayamefags will watch whatever Ayame they get regardless of game.

>>4956869
This. But I always assume English-speaking viewers don't give a fuck about APEX so most probably don't watch the APEX community tourneys.

>>4948660
>Lamy
>Noel
What? Am I missing something?

>>4979511
so whats the point of this tournament
for nijis to get fucked by retired pros?

>>4979586
Botan is getting double the views of Towa and Matsuri shilling a mobile game.

>>4948232
pika x ina collab did better than i thought

>>4978403
I saw just now that it's at more than 60k. I wonder how high it will go...
>>4978639
Not that anon, but there was a lot of shit talk both ways with regards to how high this would go.

In case you were wondering how I know, I'm the "all of niji vs retarded shark" poster back then.

>>4979712
Lamy finished Nier Automato yesterday so that gave her usualy great sc another boost
Noel had one of her ASMR streams so i guess that boosted her so hard

>>4979840
>for nijis to get fucked by retired pros?
Basically. And to set up for Matsuri to win so she'll say something about the tournament and her viewers will know Niji exist.

>>4948232
My guess is that Haachama is going to try something wild since she's falling back into irrelevancy. Or she might just quit already like her family wanted.

>>4980006
PikaIna was legit entertaining. We even got monkey paw'd on Chess.

>>4980035
her jp viewers already know, and en ones wont understand what shes saying anyway

>>4979660
Nah, EOP's love Apex because they can follow without understanding a single word. It's what gave Towa her initial boost of EOP subs after her fuck up.

>>4979311
For the purpose of numberfagging it is not.

>>4980113
the game just knew what to pick

in general. pika seems a nice collab partner

>>4980035
mate Matsuri talks about Niji on her sub account all the time.

>>4980035
It's common knowledge that Matsuri is a big nijisanji fan.

>>4979946
>Sponsors

>>4978783
Wasn't September when the first Covid restrictions started lifting?

>>4979946
Yeah but that's because she's Botan and playing weird western games is her niche.

>>4979946
Yea. That doesn't contradict what I posted.
>>4980192
Gonna have to disagree on that. Towafags just came in because saviorfagging. You don't see APEX being talked about on here, reddit, discord or other sites for English speakers. You don't really see APEX clips getting much views. The number of English comments in Matsuri APEX streams only increased after the end of the tourney where she was with ToMaSu and that clip of her crying but saying she'll still play got subbed/views.

>>4975271
So 4th gen debut is what pushed hololive over the top. The dip in march/april makes sense since those were dead months (not many events)
On the Nijisanji side they gained a big bump in august/sept and have pretty much lost it coming to current day. Doesn't really look like Covid did anything to boost their overall numbers

>>4980818
The bump is just a side effect of HoloEN debuting, alot of people came in during them that and some of them clearly spread themselves around

>>4978574
anonchama, Coco IS the reason that hololive blew up in the first quarter of 2020. She single handedly boosted and carried everyone in hololive. When 4th made their debut and Asacoco live happened, most of the members live viewers increased dramatically it's no joke. Coco had the fastest growth at the time, literally mogging majority of her senpai. 100k subs in a month. Why do you think the rest of 4th gen had the stigma of being called leeches.

There's a reason Why Coco is widely respected in holo live. She was legit the trailblazer at the time. Even nijilivers had their eyes on her. Every vtuber started playing Ark because of Coco. She popularised that game in japan. My point is Coco is a fucking Legend. Now KNEEL.

Nene's numbers seem a bit small for a 3d live not being covered by other holos. Guess Nijipex tourney is having an effect?

Holo side, english apex discussion seems to be focused on astel and aqua. They both are boosted by apex. Aqua is basically a random zatsudan stream mix with apex while astel apex stream is mixed with random elements like karaoke. To appeal to english fans using apex, you need other elements mixed in unless you are a god in the game. Western apex streamers like shivfps is popular because of his gremlin personality.

Is the dude playing with Towa right now the same level as Astel? If not, why cant Astel join them in this tourney?

>>4981188
Holo aceu lets gooooo

>>4981126
Azur lane collab, Nissin curry commercial, 1st successful concert, Turbo autist clippers like lyger and hololive moments. nooooo its all coco effort that hololive the way they are.

>>4981177
Nene's 3D debut is the highest superchat earning 3D debut in hololive to date. she earned more superchats in that stream than Coco's 3D debut, the previous #1 spot in hololive.

i wonder how this Nene 3D stream will compare to Nene's 3D debut stream

>>4981232
I don't get it either, dude got to Master playing in NA server? Doesn't that make him pretty much a strong contender than most of the nijis?

>>4981232
Astel doesn't have many friends cause he's shy/autistic so he doesn't get invited to these events other than Hal's tournament cause Hal likes him.

>>4981296
i dont expect it to outpace her 3d debut, but i was expecting at least 60k on an uncovered 3d live.it'll be lucky to hit 50k at this rate.

>>4978970
Fuck Apex. Honestly, both those fucking apextards Matsuri and Towa deserve far less viewers for spamming that garbage. Fuck em. Thank God FBK threw that game in the trash.

>>4981416
>>4981177
why isn't this 3D live covered by other holos?

>>4981445
your guess is as good as mine. By request perhaps? Its not for any particular event that i know of.

>>4981177
Meanwhile she's getting half the GDP of Taiwan donated, I wouldn't worry about her

>>4981236
Seeing how many viewers pro tournaments get, may be it is time for holo and niji to invest in a esports team and take part in qualifiers etc. Not likely though since you need to show your face on some tournaments nowadays.

>>4981177
Suisei´s 4th live with guests got an average of 65k, I think Nenechi is doing pretty good for being her first live

how long is this apex tournament?

>>4981715
2 more rounds to go, so at least hour an a half left?

>>4981628
isn't this her second live? Nene's 3D debut was a live show like this one so wouldn't that be her first?

>>4981789
yea this is her second

>>4981177
Its Nene not someone like Aqua.
>>4981296
Probably because it got delayed/pity.
>>4981562
The only reason to be a pro is if you actually like the competition or if you want to use it as a springboard to being a stream. APEX pro money isn't great.
>>4981743
Final 2 Olympus.

>>4981562
>esports
Those people need to have a talent beyond just being good at games to be watched as VTubers, anon. Esports players don't need the novelty of 2D avatars to make them gain fame/popularity since people are already used to real faces being in place.

>>4981177
Yeah. And also this is Nene. She's an A to B tier holo. If she however had guests, it would have drawn in more people.

>>4981789
I mean outside of her 3D debut

>>4981419
FBK never went as hard into APEX as Matsuri/Towa/Aqua unless it was for a tourney like vtuber cup. One reason some chuubas avoid these tourneys is due to the scrims. You technically can not attend scrims but its kinda of a bad look unless you have a reason. You could also not stream when scrimming I suppose. But its a time commitment.

>>4981232
Reid is basically a less mechanically impressive Astel but has the better game sense. Astel considers him his rival too

>>4981943
A to B tier is incredibly generous to Nene, she does relatively well with superchats and big events but she has the 5th fewest subscribers of JP/EN and although her views have inclined recently before then it was rare for her to hit 10k

3D lives don't get massive numbers unless you're either,
incredibly popular = Aqua.
It's a Birthday/3D unveiling.
40-60k is about average for your normal 3D stream.

>>4980035
It's the the other way around anon-kun. Matsuri winning means more recognition for hololive. I wouldn't be surprised if disappointed nijifans jumped ship after witnessing this disastrous tournament.

>>4982091

>>4982091
I say A to B because I love her dammit. But yeah, she's more like a B as far overall success because of her sponsorships, SCs and viewership numbers.

can she at least hit 50k?

>>4981126
I kneel.

>>4948660
I notice that while rushia had last chats then coco, she had high quality ones. Rushia is very good/.

>>4982188
I said it was rare, not that she didn't

I'll fucking piss myself if Matsuri wins the Nijipex tournament.

well, seems like the tournament wont break 100k

>>4982337
all 3 of them are known chokers

>>4982337
>Make a niji tournament
>A holo wins the tournament
kek

>>4982341
It has 47K in the niji official. Nene is at 49k now

>>4982452
https://twitter.com/7216_2nd/status/1403639407526113283

>>4982463
10 minutes break

>>4982341
That's kinda underwhelming. I wonder if the rrat of nip nijifags getting tired of apex is actually true.

>>4982476
The fact that she has to say it means she knows people are already memeing it

>>4982476
>coping before the tournament begins
why is matsuri like this?

>>4982535
It's an apex niji tournament where only half the participants are nijis.

>>4982535
Nah. There's a lot of nijis for everyone. Not everyone is participating. The ones that don't care for Apex is just watching another niji liver or has never bothered to begin with

>>4981281
Numbers don't lie anonchama. Coco's mere presence and Asacoco Live featuring every holomember gave a major needed boost to the brand. Don't act retarded.

>>4980035
It's the other way around holonigger.
over half of her subs comes from nijisanji fans

>linchou casually hitting 17k with the tourney going on
APEXfags btfo

>>4975271
if you look at it carefully, some of hololive's peak popularity was because of Coco. Her gen's debut, her 3d, the west taiwan arc, and this months news.
What a shame...

>>4982665
Cover is retarded for not bending over backwards to retain one of their most influential talent.

>>4982341
just prepare yourself, the next thread is gonna be fun

>>4982701
It's the price of Fame anon. AKB was originally the rule breakers of the Japanese idol scene and then they turned into the very den of idolfaggotry

>>4948615
I have no idea how that even makes sense from a logical point. Pika tends to get like 3k viewers at the most. Can't be her viewers that have boosted it this much.

>>4948232
How can non Japanese VTubers even compete?

gg ez nijikeks you will never break the record

>>4982665
I respect Coco for chasing a bigger dream than the heavily controlled one Cover was offering her.

>>4982891
It's high because this is a decent indie collab for holoen. People has been begging for more collabs. Freaking Mori gives them Gigguk. Kiara goes for the yab Vei. This is like a breath of fresh air.

Post nijipex numbers already. If you wanna talk about chuubas go their general

>>4982337
>Nijipex tournament
>no hype from Nijifans
>Apex watchers wouldn't care about this cartoon people bullshit in the first place
>low viewers
>Holo winning
What a fucking disaster.

>>4982760
Ah, but what if tomorrow's thread turns out disappointingly tame? 200k was obvious tribalist baiting, so why bite harder?

>>4983569
lol you are the disaster
>low viewer
have you try to check add the number? There isn't just main channel
>No hype from nijifans
Twitter trendig says otherwise
>Holo winning

>>4982891
It's the novelty of HoloEN outside collabs. Both the Hololive/EN fanbase and the VOMS fans would have tuned in to look at what they would do and how they mesh together. In this sense, your perception of Pikamee is wrong since you look at her average and not her peaks. Same for Ina.

>>4984156
It's looks exactly the same as any other day except Niji has an event so they are number 1 and Nene wants to sing and dance in 3D so she's no.2

>>4984382
Kuzuha is doing better. I was expecting Hal and Chichiro to do better as well but oh well.

>>4983596
Not that guy, but numbeffags were measuring it somewhat fairly based on historical precedent (cumulative views that transfer to the main channel). I guess the disappointment came after the tournament ended up being unbalanced due to "outsiders" dominating the charts so thoroughly. And now we even have a chance of Matsuri of all people randomly getting a shot at winning? That's so left field it's not even funny.

nijipex jumped from 60k ish live viewers to 85k

>>4984511
The last match was so underwhelming because of a shit ring.
It was basically wait for the ring to kill you.

>>4984608
they all ended, that's why.

>>4984626
not all

90k guess that anon was right.

>>4984709
it's still inclining

>viewers going up when the tournament has finished
its pointless.

>>4984781
People are waiting for the results.

>>4984156
Apexsanji is real. Mansanji is real.

>>4984709
The threshold for success is 150k though...

Even if it's over 100k, it's underwhelming.

>>4984807
That's when these main channels always peak in tournaments. Everyone sends their viewers there for the results.

MATSURI WON HAHAHAHAHAHHAHA

looks like 98k is the peak

A holo won the Nijipex tournament.
It's the ultimate haymaker.

>>4984966
99 for a bit there

>>4984942
>>4985037
Kek, absolute kek

>>4985037
Tell me for real, did Matsuri do a good job? Will people hate on her again?

>>4985037
Where's the tsukkomi when you need it?

>>4985134
Carried by Yukio and Chihiro

99279
Matsuri got carried hard,god damn it chihiro yukio why would you two do this

>>4985134
mostly got carried by the other two

>>4985134
She did ok,but still gets carried by Chihiro and Yukio. Go to the apex thread to check the damage output. Not so bad but nowhere near her teammate

>>4985134
no, chihiro will siphon all the hate

>>4985174
>Not even 100k
>Festival wins it for Hololive
OH NO NO NO NO

>>4985287
Yeah i was about to say this too

and they scuffed the stream ending. good job anycolor

>>4984709
Yep and with Coco's upcoming graduation stream on July 1st, Hololive will probably hold the top 2 spots for highest peak viewership with an outside chance of also getting the top SC all time

>not even 100k

What a disaster.

>>4985302
Just as long as Matsuri is happy and she doesn't get flak for playing her favorite game, I am happy. That girl just wants to play

Chihiro, the tournament organizer won the the tournament. She won't get any hate from niji or apexfans right?

>>4985557
The only thing Nijisanji fans know is how to hate. They don't enjoy things, only "don't hate them as much as X"

>So... this is the "Nijipex" would beat Gura's outfit reveal numbers and break 200k live views that Nijikeks keep talking about?
Holy fucking kek

>>4985557
she played well above her usual level so she deserves the win, but the tournament itself was pretty underwhelming.

>>4985037
so matsuri is 3 people? cool

>>4985809
Ahhh, let them be happy their girl won by doing nothing.

>>4985748
>And makes Nene's 3D concert only have 10k live views

>>4985748
Its over... no koshien, no summer minecraft, no more male 3d debut trump card (ibrahim but wont break fuwa and hayato record)..

>>4985557
shes already getting 2k dislikes

>>4949794
who?

>>4986082
Man, nijifans are pure cancer

>>4985748
Only a graduation stream left as last hope.

>>4985748
>people who don't watch nijisanji make absurd predictions for event they know nothing about
>stream underperforms just like they were told it would by people who actually know niji
wow those nijifans sure got BTFO

>>4986082
Based nijifags

>>4986385
>I-It's all falseflaggers! I-I SWEAR!
Weak cope

>>4986522
wow that's such a witty reply anon. tell me 'seethe' next.

>>4986375
Wonder how much kuzuha channel grad would get

>>4986385
This is pure revisionist history. People were posting viewership numbers from previous Detonator events to prove that it would easily be in the 150k-200k range.

>>4986683
Not gonna lie, I feel ashamed of JP holo fans if what it takes to surpass an outfit reveal, is a graduation stream. I have always thought that they will come to any special event to support everyone, but no, need a god damn graduation one.

>>4986806
how is it revisionist history, anyone familiar with niji tournaments would know not to compare fucking detonator events to a mostly vtuber event where a good portion of the participants cant get above 100 damage

>>4986806
to say that nobody commented that was unrealistic is a lie though

>>4986806
these "people" eop holofags do not even know who played in that detonator event

>>4986851
Maybe graduations are not a big deal for Nijifags as they have them so often.
But for Holos is a sign of respect and thanks, so I see no shame if Coco's graduation get high numbers.

>>4986851
not a holofag but i think it makes sense that graduations would get more viewers, they are much bigger events and the last opportunity people get to send off their oshi. nothing shameful about that and quite normal.

>>4987314
Don't try to explain "love and appreciation" to nijifags. They don't understand what supporting your oshi is

>>4979712
Lamy gets more than any EN

>>4987409
Nothing shameful for the holo, of course, but I hate that it takes a graduation to get people to give a shit about a holo more than an outfit reveal stream.

>>4987465
>>4987314
If iofy graduated 5 people on this board would truly care.

Holykek, MATULIFLEXING ON EVERYONE BY DOING NOTHING

>>4987834
I mean that is true for anything. Daily streams are mainly a mish mash of viewers that can watch when they can. However for a big event they all try to be there at the same time.

No different than the Super Bowl getting much higher viewership than a normal regular season game.

>>4987957
How hard did Matsuri get carried? I refuse to watch niji tournaments

>>4987550
And Lamy algo gets more than any of her genmates.

>>4987923
The same could be said with the bottom third of Nijisanji's talents.

>>4988248
thats exactly what i mean, you cant brag about respecting all your members when no one will care about the bottom performers

>>4988466
who on this board has ever bragged about liking/following all of niji