/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>49486958
I'll be real with you here, anon, nobody has no idea what EN fans, so you can't blame them

Seethe more, Tempus is here to stay

>When EN fans
Save me Nobunaga!

>>49486958
Loserbait = OmegAltroon
https://streamable.com/lpvbje

>>49487078
Idk, I feel like there's a few things
Things HoloEN fans unanimously want and are not getting:
>CGDCT
>More activity on the online side of things
>Fanservice (talents telling fans they love them, they're happy to be here, etc.)
>Game permissions (o n e g u y)

Things HoloEN fans unanimously don't want and are getting:
>Chuuni lore
>Tempus boys
>EN songs with ESL lyrics
>Bargain bin tier art and rigging
>Whatever is happening on the management side that's burning out all the girls

Take EN3 for example, all they need to do is come up with 5 sex character designs and that should be an easily achievable goal for a rich and well-connected company existing in the literal land of sex characters designs. Yet I fully expect 3/5 EN3s to be some wack ass models with freakish proportions drawn by FGO artists and with a name like "Stickbugee Potatomashito"

>>49486958
My rrat is Omega is actually a woman and was supposed to have a live2D model, but they fucked it up with the pronouns thing and now they're too embarrassed because everyone believes she's a troon kek

>>49486958
Omega is dead and Jap is in charge. There's no reason to talk about him anymore.

>>49487078
It's extremely easy to tell what EN fans want if you just look at what they hype up, watch they watch and what they make trend.
They like Korone. They love doggo, they love the cartoon voice, they love the heking wholesome vibe, they love a good gamer that can beat the shit out of hard games and has very niche game options.
They also love Myth specials, they love gen unity, they love collabs and camaraderie. They also show this love when they tune in to the sports festival, the Holofes and so on.
They also liked memes, Coco's meme review shit was a massive hit, I remember seeing people only watching that. They like inside jokes and humor based on the many quirky characters of Hololive.
They like the REAL lore of Hololive, not cosmic garbage of SPACE GODDESSES shit, they like jokes about Subaru being a duck or Pekora being a war criminal.
They don't want males. The audience that tunes in to watch HoloEN x HolostarsEN collabs never shows up for the guys, or for the girls. It's exclusively an audience that is interested in this shit. Actual Hololive audience in the west just likes CGDCT just like in Japan, Holostars JP never got remotely popular in the west.

So to summarize:
Cute funny characters, good gamers, memes, light hearted fun, cute girls, fun events and collabs.

For Gen 3 there should be no lore, any "lore" should be shit you can sell in a very easy pitch and just serves as a visual glue that holds things together.
Like HoloX, they're a spy/evil organization gimmick, so they wear a lot of black and leather, they had "roles" assigned. Their theme has a feel, an aesthetic, and it's fun stylish and cool.
This is a perfect "lore".
Or look at Holo Fantasy (Gen 3). They are all sort of fantasy JRPG inspired tropes, you got a knight, an elf, a pirate, a necromancer, and a bunny girl.
They look great together, they are cute, it's fun, it's colorful.
That's all they needed to have.
They have all each developed their lore individually too.

HoloEN3 needs to keep it simple, hire fun girls, girls who actually STREAM a lot, girls who can do memes, have creativity, can play a character and play games well and have good game choices.
Am I asking for a lot? Does this sound too hard to find? Well that's what HoloJP has, and that's what the HoloJP members who became popular in the west are like. It's the bar Hololive has set, and that bar should not be lowered for EN. It's the standard EN3 should try to aim for.

>>49490522
They need to hire you

>>49486958
There need to be more dedicated lore streams where they act chuuni

>>49491635
Said nobody

>>49487603
>fanservice
i actually find gfe stuff really cringy so im glad my oshi moved away from it

>>49491743
Girls don't bother, it would be cute.

>>49490522
Toxic as hell. Good thing EN management doesn't listen to you. We need more cross Gen support. Every girl should be shipped heavily with a holostar.

>>49490522
>Like HoloX, they're a spy/evil organization gimmick, so they wear a lot of black and leather, they had "roles" assigned. Their theme has a feel, an aesthetic, and it's fun stylish and cool.
You hit the nail in the head for why HoloX's lore worked so much better than Council's. The first thing that I thought about when they were announced was World Conquest Zvezda Plot and it fit like a glove, with a bratty and incompetent leader, the second in command being the one in control and the rest filling their roles quite nicely. Now what the fuck is Council supposed to be? What Omega wanted to evoke with the whole "higher conceptual beings" bullshit? Shit made no sense and they all pretty much threw all of that garbage away. How the hell did they went with Myth having pretty easy descriptions that only helped them develop their own personalities to Council which felt like they were cast for a scripted role?

>>49492407
With Council, they completely forgot that they were making lore for vtubers, not FGO servants.

>>49492866
Christ. Yeah, the best thing to do with a new member before debut: assign a personality to her. Hopefully things in EN have changed enough that they take the example of HoloX and ID3 and go back to simple concepts that the members can expand on their own.

>>49493086
1. Prideful
2. Sadistic
There, her assignment

>>49486958
Did you pull your bait post from the archives? I haven't even heard of omegatranny in at least a year.

>>49487078
what? it's been obvious what EN fans want is a chuba with a velvety voice like kronii that just plays minecraft all day like fauna. That's the recipe.

>>49491763
So true sis it’s fine when Vox threatens to rape us tho

>>49493281
>minecraft
No I want her to rotate through indie games

>>49492407
It didn't help that Council's introduction only came after a bait and switch was done multiple times or that the tone of their intro was just so boring and dreadful, the asthetics, the feel of it was just not right for a vtuber group, it wans't fun and inviting, it was confusing, "epic" in a lame way and too serious.
Maybe if they were trying to sell perfume or a game about isolationist space exploration it could work, but for a vtuber group you want to portray energy and fun and a welcoming atmosphere not the emptiness of space and the grandness of reality itself. Nah just give me a fucking animal girl and a catchy sountrack instead.

>>49493502
Pretty much. That whole month-long tease period was dreadful and I feel like it only worked against them. When the biggest takeaway from it were cube memes and not "muh lore" then you know how useless that shit was. My dream EN3 or just new Hololive gen in general is one with a band theme and the members actually knowing how to play their instruments. It's a theme that can't be simpler, matches well with the whole idol aesthetic of Hololive and the members can be anything from kemonomimi to haughty ojou-samas.

>>49493948
That would be fun but getting people to actually play the instruments would be tough.
You'd be heavily limiting your options if you can only pick members if they fill one of the instruments in your checklist.

>>49490522
No what we need is some with:
>The work ethic of Gura
>The holier than thou attitude of Fauna
>The numberfagging of IRyS
>The anti- idol culture of Kronii
>The health of Mumei
The perfect HoloEN member

>>49486958
>what EN fans
but what about when EN fans or how EN fans? OP, you dumb nigger, proofread your fucking shit, it takes less than a minute.

>>49487078
Fpbp

>>49486958
They literally hired the best streamer in EN by accident and have been trying to sabotage her ever since

>>49487369
I don’t think he is, for the simple reason that LB has never played any Final Fantasy game. I think the guy is a staff member or manager.
I’d say more about Omega but anytime I do I get banned for some reason. It doesn’t matter though since we have Dmitri now instead.

>>49494481
>The motivation of Ame
>The personality of Ina
>The ambition & taste of Mori
>The voice of Kiara (the fake one)
>The contract of Sana
>Bae's mic

>>49491763
good for you, anon!

>>49494156
True, but if Cover wants all eyes on a new gen I can't think of a better way to do it.

>>49496906
IRyS is the poster child of how absolutely retarded EN's management is (or hopefully was). Literally everything that was wrong with them was somehow worse when she was involved.

>>49506059
remember how they wanted her to spend her first month in complete isolation?

>>49487603
Speak for yourself dipshit. I like most of Tempus.

>>49506322
Yup, remember how her manager is ghosting her and none of the higher ups are doing anything about it?

>>49506960
P:H is fucking useless and deserves the same end INNK had.

>>49493313
you wish your oshi threaten you with rape so why are saying it like an insult???

>>49490522
>>49492407
>>49493086
If I’m being honest, I’ve never really had much of a problem with lore to begin with since the chuuba is often free to play into it or just not if they want to after debut. They don’t ever really seem to be bothered by it and seem to enjoy it. I personally do like the contrast between JP being whatever but having some gen theme, ID being whatever random things with no gen themes and EN being stupid chunni whatever the hell but being somewhat constraint as a branch. The fan stuff that comes from it cool too

Though I do have to admit, my favorite style of lore second to Myth’s is definitely HoloX styled lore. It’s the gen theme is conceptually cool and and it’s every easy for them to be their own random characters that fit in because the a “secret underground organization” could consist of anything. So it’s not like they all need to be a specific thing since the gen theme take care of that. It’s easy to explain and pitch as a concept too. I guess the closest to that is Myth’s lore which pretty much does the same thing. Though with Myth the individual themes all had some through-line of relation to one another that could make almost an pair have it’s own cliche which is neat from a creative aspect. Though I guess with HoloX they do “feel” like like a gen when they’re together. Or I guess what I’m trying to say is that HoloX’s vibe has a stronger sense of togetherness to me

With the addition of a new all I would hope for is some loose connection that keeps the branch consistency of EN. It doesn’t have to be god shit or anything like that. It could be something vague and loose like monsters, elements, rpg classes, fantasy races, anything. Hopefully something toned-down closer to Myth’s style. Myth-like “lore”/theming with the “feel” of HoloX could make for one of the best gens in any branch (if those 2 things were the only factors and nothing else)

But it’s probably taking some time to find people who could fit said roles on top of living in convenient places for travel for off-collabs and concerts on top of probably having a good work ethic and track record. That and being less likely to quit. I’d hope they’d maybe hire whoever first and then have them have a hand in their own characters though, with minimal reasonable restrictions. If they don’t announce EN gen 3 by EN’s concert then I’m just going to assume they’re trying to manage what they have now before adding more when they weren’t ready and risk dropping the ball.

Either way lore to me is either a plus or nothing. Hardly ever feel negative about it so I didn’t really think people would but I guess it’s understandable too. Omega’s design was wasted and what a lot of people thought was going to be EN’s A-chan becoming A-chan instead is hilarious though

EN3 needs a girl who goes full chuuni. Eyepatch, speaks using big words, acts like a dork and so on.
Hire me Yagoo, I WILL FIX EN

>>49493948
My favorite reaction was Kiara's "Cool story, bro" - perfectly sums it up.

Making the EN management rep be god when the JP ones are just OLs is just weird. You're telling me there's not a single bitch on EN's side who wants a cute OL model?

>>49486958
>JP management has no idea what EN fans
The best proof of this is Tempiss still existing
HoloEN won't ever be what it was during the Myth and early Council days as long as the homos are around

>>49514734
I would like to think that locking down the subreddit when Tempus 2 debuted and the wet fart of their numbers was a big wake up call for them. They just drunk the kool aid too hard. The idea that JP viewers would tune in for their debut if they stopped streaming was so bad.

>>49486958
You can stack all the pretentious lore you want on a chuuba, but at the end of the day the audience will recognize them from their theme. Keep the concept simple, and let the girls develop the "lore" through their streams and personality.

>>49511427
>But it’s probably taking some time to find people who could fit said roles on top of living in convenient places for travel for off-collabs and concerts on top of probably having a good work ethic and track record.
It doesn't take 2 fucking years tho.
And they didn't do that shit with the previous gen, maybe they are course correcting hard and overcompensating but maybe they will do the same shit they did before but late.

>>49514469
People like to shit on Kiara but she has been consistently the only member who expressed almost the exact same opinions /vt/ has about EN's management, like how she just talked about not having a new gen is dragging HoloEN down. I think a close second would be IRyS and while she's generally less direct she has been talking more frequently about her manager ghosting her and also about wanting kouhai recently.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQpvF2Q4oW0

>>49515332
you're telling me that nousagis won't tune into a stars stream even if they make pekora cancel her's? easily one of the dumbest things they've ever done

>>49516214
Yep she's right. Damn I can't believe the comments below that though. "We have more than enough members already." - Seriously, what planet are they on?

>>49515332
>The idea that JP viewers would tune in for their debut if they stopped streaming was so bad.
How fucking stupid are they?
You never force the customer into something they don't fucking want as the backlash is always worse than if you hadn't tried to do that anyway.
Remember googleplus? yeah, me neither.
They spent BORILLIONS on that; built an entire building for it, hired some pajeet manager and paid him gorillions. Leeched funding from other departments that needed it more and could've done more with it all to try to create a social media platform to combat facebook.
They forced everyone with gmail or youtube to get a googleplus account that nobody used.
It was all futile anyway as facebook was to die off on its own anyway. They lost all the money they invested in it, pissed off EVERYONE and the pajeet manager walked off with a massive bonus with nothing concrete left behind.

>>49518971
Yep and a lot of people that did that are now stuck with "brand accounts" that can't receive free memberships - and if you change, you lose your 1 year+ subscription badge. Sometimes companies get too high on their own supply. I like to think the lack of interaction between EN <-> Tempus 2 is a major course correction.

>>49490522
You will get another homo gen and you will be happy

>>49490522
Yep also, the most successful members have simple, cute designs, and can be explained in 3 words.
"Cute shark girl" "Grim reaper rapper"
Is it any wonder they have 2m+ subscribers while "The guardian of civilization" or whatever. doesn't?

>>49518401
>Seriously, what planet are they on?
Same planet this massive faggot came from.

>>49486958
Council lore was fine, shilling omega at the end was not

>>49520156
Omega was the sole reason for why Council had such a convoluted lore.

>>49490522
If EN3 hadn't learned a thing from ID3 and JP3 as the miracle gens from each respective gens, I can honestly say HoloEN is dead

This might sound like an exaggeration but EN3 need their own "gura killer" if they wanted HoloEN to stay relevant

>>49523066
At this point what even is a Gura killer when it feels like the west stopped caring about vtubers in general? What kind of girl would manage to be a consistent 5view in EN?

>>49523066
>EN3 need their own "gura killer" if they wanted HoloEN to stay relevant
I never wanted to agree with this sentiment before but now I do. Especially since Gura is kind of being her own “Gura-killer” in a sense. I guess the thing is what are they looking to bring to the table? More of the same or something more? And how does one go about reverse engineering the the JP3 and ID3 or more specifically Pekora, Kobo, and Gura in order to replicate and hopefully surpass what they did? It’s gotta be more than “small, blue and white”

Paraphrasing what I said here >>49511427 in the 4th “paragraph” they’re probably trying long and hard to find reliable quality streamers as well. Trying to surpass what they did would be cool, but it’s gonna be hard to do considering they luckily struck gold with EN1 considering the timing of vtuber boom plus pandemic. I think if EN2 and EN1 swapped places the results would’ve been similar. So I’d imagine it’s probably hard trying to “isolate variables” to figure out how to either replicate past success and/or surpass it

Again, if they don’t at least tease EN3 by the end of Connect the World then I might as well assume Tempus 3 might come quicker. Though I wonder if they’d really make that mistake after the mostly Reddit backlash. I don’t even know if EN was even in charge of that decision or is it coming from JP

>>49487603
The voices inside your head don't count as EN fans.

>>49523066
Dude, HoloEN already has a Gura kille, it's called Gura.

>>49523917
If Tempus 3 comes out before an EN3 no lockdown will help the sub from people pissed about it, and it's likely that even Twitter will get vocal about it. Business wise it make no sense to do that when Tempus 2 was a huge failure and somehow managed to shrink the overall StarsEN audience, with the only thing going for them being the handful of whales who won't be able to sustain the branch forever while all their other metrics are going down the drain. With more and more people are starting to get tired of the wait for a new HoloEN gen outside of this hellhole, including with some of the current member who are starting to be more vocal about it on stream, it would be an utterly insane decision to not have them as the next round of debuts.

>>49518401
>anon is surprised clipwatchers are commenting under a clip
Clipfags don't care for streams as long as they can have their clips and they don't usually have a favorite, so as long as there are clips, they're content. Us sitting in this board, starving for more interactions and more events happening are the minority.

>>49524168
Agreed. But unfortunately I can see a timeline where they try to double on Tempus and release another gen either along side EN3 or either slightly before/after to either build up hype for EN3/piggyback off the hype for EN3. Mainly to either prove it was worth the investment/make it worth the investment. If one of those is going to happen it’s hopefully going to be the latter most. I’m pretty confident they learned from the backlash, but I’m uncertain of what they learned

I used to think they were doing the Tempus thing where they had a few waiting in the wings and were getting to know each other weeks-months before debuting but Kiara and IRyS talking about how they wanted more kohai kind of convinced me that they’re not even that far. Even if they knew and they were told to hide it I don’t think they’d even bring the subject up. I could see any of the Myth girls possibly hinting at it subtly but not IRyS

At least we’re not in the timeline where it’s early-mid 2024 and we have Tempus 4 debuted with 5 on the way but no EN3 yet… right?