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AME 2K DORYAAAAAAAAAAA
>>49422620*GENERAL NUMBERFAG SITES*>https://playboard.co/en/>http://ikioi-ranking.com/>https://vrabi.net/>https://www.vstats.jp>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/vtuber-rankingHololive sites>https://holo.poi.cat/>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html>https://trackholo.live/en/>https://www.hololive-songs.com/Nijisanji sites>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly>https://twitter.com/2434rankings>https://twitter.com/2434subscriber>https://www.nijiuta.com/Twitch>https://sullygnome.com/>https://twitchtracker.com/>https://stats.roki.sh/Full list at https://pastebin.com/nCGZL1Lp
>>49422636INCLINING??? THE RETURN OF LA CREATIVIDAD???????
Mori and Ame have genuinely collapsed into Kiara territory
FAUNA WHY THE FUCK DID YOU LEAVE THIS WEEKWHY THIS WEEKhttps://youtu.be/4HorWuO93U4https://youtu.be/hke-SqGcft4https://youtu.be/bDNgQiLwveQhttps://youtu.be/kofAQ_xqkkYWAKE ME UP FROM THIS HELL
>>49422620* FINAL TALLY OF THE DAY *>42,892: Pekora (Hololive)>38,392: Marine (Hololive)>37,207: Subaru (Hololive)>35,656: Kuzuha (Nijisanji)>24,178: Miko (Hololive)>22,247: Korone (Hololive)>20,971: Mio (Hololive)>18,433: Chiroru (Indie)>18,418: Kanata (Hololive)>18,416: Met (VSPO)>16,706: VSPO (VSPO)>15,888: Hibachi Mana (Nijisanji)>15,531: Nose (VSPO)>14,392: Lize (Nijisanji)>13,986: Lui (Hololive)>13,734: Salome (Nijisanji)>13,728: Fubuki (Hololive)>13,672: Watame (Hololive)>13,066: AZKi (Hololive)>12,899: Fuwa (Nijisanji)>12,756: Lamy (Hololive)>12,163: Noel (Hololive)>11,542: Noah (VSPO)>11,531: Ange (Nijisanji)>11,036: Hayato (Nijisanji)>10,915: Chloe (Hololive)>10,873: Runa (VSPO)>10,552: Koyori (Hololive)>10,251: Runa (VSPO)>10,042: Nui (Nijisanji)
i wonder how much dakis gura sold...
>>49422620I too enjoy NotFaunas
I love Green women
Dead thread
>>49419826Ame, Kiara or Bae tend to be 3K+ kson is in ID territory think Zeta.
>>49422739It's literally no one's faults but their own. Ame basically stopped streaming for half a year and Mori tried (and failed) to transition to her RM and is now crawling back to Holo.
It finally happened, Kiara is no longer the runt of EN...
>>49422758>MAY 2023 GOLDS1) Miko (Hololive) - 58,764 - Clubhouse 51 w/ Nene2) Miko (Hololive) - 117,536 - Collab w/ Suisei, Aqua, Towa, Subaru, Botan3) Pekora (Hololive) - 82,868 - Reverse Totsumachi Endurance (w/ Marine)4) Koyori (Hololive) - 63,666 - 24 Hour Stream5) Marine (Hololive) - 80,623 - Fashion Showdown (w/ Aqua, Okayu, Mio, Lamy)6) Pekora (Hololive) - 110,996 - Mario Maker Tournament7) Marine (Hololive) - 51,152 - Super Mario Maker 28) Marine (Hololive) - 53,933 - Idol Showdown9) Miko (Hololive) - 41,419 - Idol Showdown10) Miko (Hololive) - 56,389 - Getting Over It (w/ Kanata and Polka)11) Miko (Hololive) - 36,617 - TTS Story Time12) Hibari (Nijisanji) - 111,013 - 3D Debut13) Mel (Hololive) - 58,589 - 5th Anniversary 3D Live14) Pekora (Hololive) - 42,892 - Minecraft 1.20>PER COMPANY13x: Hololive1x: Nijisanji>PER STREAMER5x: Miko3x: Marine, Pekora1x: Hibari, Koyori, Mel>2023 GOLDS>PER COMPANY102x: Hololive23x: Nijisanji4x: Indie, Neo Porte1x: VSPO>PER STREAMER38x: Pekora13x: Marine, Miko6x: Toya4x: Hal, Subaru3x: Hololive, Kuzuha, Mio, Okayu, Suisei, Koyori2x: Chiroru, Iroha, Lamy, Nerumero, Nijisanji, Salome, Towa1x: Aqua, Ayame, Choco, Fuwa, Gaku, Gura, Hibari, Himawari, Hinano, Ina, Kanata, Kiara, Koro
>>49422844Very>>49422758Just a couple more.
>>49422739Ame is invading Kiara's timezone why would you expect strong numbers?
>>49422887>Mori tried (and failed) to transition to her RMThis never happened btw
>>49422912Deadbeat come the fuck on
>>49422898It only takes 5 disconnections and Ame streaming outside her timeslot
>>49422744>One of the few ENs that wouldn't touch that game and she is gone At least I still have IRyS
>>49422908
>>49422898>Zelda: Debuff of the Kingdom
>>49422744So this is what hell looks like. This week is going to be GRIM.
>>49422912Why do we have deadbeats here?
>>49422898End your stream Kiwawa Ame needs that 3K she already gave you a funnel today don't be greedy!
>>49422912do kekbeats really?
>>49422744Looks like we doesn't even have to wait 6 months for sub4k average HoloEN
>>49422933>>49422982>1 minute apart
>>49421812>i don’t watch streams so I’ll talk out my assVery few members care about Harry Potter and i think 2 at most could be considered fans. That said you are wrong Gura, fauna, mumei irys, bae, and ina would have played it at least. Ame would then play it months later to seem different but she’s just spiteful Atomic hearts would have been played by gura she was really interested when she saw trailer. Irys probably would have played it too because she just seems to play absolutely anything
/ourguy/ made another videothis time he visited the Gen3 aniplus collab cafehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znqLngP_6eQ
*FINAL EN TALLY OF THE DAY IS IN*>5/14 DAILY TALLY9,114: Kiara (Hololive)8,678: Fauna (Hololive)6,488: Ina (Hololive)5,753: Luca (Nijisanji)5,323: Kronii (Hololive)5,062: Meloco (Nijisanji)5,006: Amelia (Hololive)>EN GOLDS FOR MAY 20231) IRyS (Hololive) - 9,139 - Super Mario Maker2) Fauna (Hololive) - 13,573 - ASMR Offcollab (w/ Kronii)3) Luca (Nijisanji) - 9,264 - NijiEN Dating Show (w/ Uki, Alban, Vox, Ren, Kyo)4) IRyS (Hololive) - 7,445 - Super Smash Bros. 5) Gura (Hololive) - 13,811 - Bramble The Mountain King6) Mumei (Hololive) - 17,981 - Council Uno Collab7) Amelia (Hololive) - 8,418 - Unarchived Karaoke8) Fauna (Hololive) - 7,622 - Super Mario Maker 29) Fauna (Hololive) - 10,140 - Minecraft10) IRyS (Hololive) - 10,985 - Karaoke11) Mori (Hololive) - 10,635 - Idol Showdown (w/ Ina)12) IRyS (Hololive) - 8,656 - Super Smash Bros. (w/ Kronii)13) Vox (Nijisanji) - 8,884 - Unarchived Karaoke14) Kiara (Hololive) - 9,114 - Pikuniku (w/ Gura)>PER COMPANY12x: Hololive2x: Nijisanji>PER STREAMER4x: IRyS3x: Fauna1x: Luca, Gura, Mumei, Amelia, Mori, Vox, Kiara>POINTS PER STREAMER (gold = 5pts, silver = 3pts, bronze = 1pt)26p: IRyS21p: Fauna15p: Mumei13p: Mori10p: Ina6p: Amelia, Kiara5p: Luca, Gura, Baelz, Vox4p: Shu
>>49423014>FaunaNo
>>49422744Actually GRIM for once, holy fucking shit...
>>49422744>said something inappropriate>hurt her fans>know she fucked up so did an apology ASMR>management suggested "leave of absence" for things to cool downShe is literally going through what Kronii has gone through. She even banned Babski.
>>49422948
>>49423028>Another top 3 for HoloEN>12-2Everything is right in the world
zelda is a debuff right?i cant see anyone wanting to get spoiled
>>49422744What is funny is that Ina will mog all of these TotK streams with BotW
>>49423058/wg/ is a few doors down bro
>>49422744has Mumei ever had a long lasting series? I don't think she is going to beat the game
>>49423028>2023 EN GOLDS>PER COMPANY96x: Hololive36x: Nijisanji2x: Holostars>PER STREAMER13x: Mori, IRyS12x: Fauna10x: Gura9x: Baelz, Mumei8x: Ina, Amelia, Vox7x: Kronii6x: Kiara5x: Mysta4x: Selen3x: Pomu, Shu2x: Luca1x: Ike, Flayon, Alban, Elira, Luxiem, Finana, Millie, Regis, Enna, Rosemi, Hololive English, Ren, Sonny, Fulgur>2023 POINTS PER STREAMER (gold = 5pts, silver = 3pts, bronze = 1pt)133p: Fauna103p: IRyS96p: Mori93p: Mumei, Ina84p: Baelz69p: Vox61p: Amelia54p: Kiara53p: Mysta50p: Gura47p: Kronii43p: Luca31p: Selen22p: Shu16p: Pomu11p: Uki, Axel, Sonny10p: Ike9p: Millie, Enna, Fulgur8p: Finana7p: Regis, Elira6p: Rosemi, Ren5p: Flayon, Alban, Luxiem, Hololive English4p: Vesper3p: Hakka, Magni, Kotoka1p: Meloco, Shinri, Gavis, Maria, Pippa, Nina
>>49423105Spoilers vs no spoilers.
>>49422887I used to think this was a lie but there’s a huge spike in subscribers at a certain point for notMori that’s awfully suspicious Only a cuckbeat like this anon >>49422912 would think otherwise
>>49423014>Fauna, MumeiYou are on drugs if you think two of the most troon-friendly EN chuubas would have played the wizard game. Kronii would eat them alive if they did.
>>49423137She did the first game for like 10 streams I think and then finished it off stream during a health break to prepare for the new one.
>>49423058https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iw6LXYAfCDc>Fauna announced the vacation 10 days before the Minecraft stream>The ASMR stream was already in her scheduleWhy do you pretend to be a retard?
>>49422840Seeing how most people were thinking 2 at minimum 1 for cuddling the other for other reasons like everything she sells I’d say better than all of en’s birthday merch
>>49423203fuck off back to /pol/
>>49423138>96 vs 36GRIM
>>49423154ame is just too debuffed lately
>>49423154oh nyow
>>49423246>"this is such a deep question">proceed to rant for 10 minutesShe clearly for all these prepared. Babski's SC is just an excuse for her to do it. She would say the same thing to saplings that day even if there are no SCs related to it appearing that day.
>>49423329Please take your meds.
Quick question, how many days had nothing but Fauna on cripple tally?
Why is nobody interested in the new Zelda?Lower than usual numbers for everyone from Niji to Holo, from JP to EN. I thought Zelda was a big franchise loved by everyone
>>494233770.Only IRyS had one of those days
>>49423379I'm playing it myself, but it would be boring as sin to watch.
>>49423329>she prepped to get suspendednice, schizos are getting funnier
>>49423329This is a new kind of mental illness, get some help
> This week is pretty much blank for events and there still the big announcements > gura said that something would coming soon that would surprise us. > Hololive been hiring en mangers. >Fauna took a break and told people to support the other girls> Multiple hints about the girls wanting new kohai > multiple indies been graduating. > We need new girls for the enconnect watchalong>Hololive in their report said their were getting EN3 and JP7 this year.>HoloID 4 will likely come out in October/November spots for debuts.All signs point to EN3
>>49422841I miss non whore peony
>>49423379More fun playing the game than watching
>>49423154sasuga tech genius of eni have not seen her start the stream on time without any issues once in the last 2 months
>>49423441Sir, you've been saying this for months. Give it up already
>>49423441>Hololive in their report said their were getting EN3 and JP7 this year.wasn't it march next year?
>>49423441You might be onto something, I believe this rrat
>>49423441Counter: Kaela said a week or 2 ago during one of her Minecraft stream, that ID4 would be coming sooner that we think.
Here is an update on that > 30 DAYS TRUE AVERAGE, PER BRANCHchart.Some cliffs notes1) HoloJP. DAMN!2) HoloEN is in a holding pattern, in an unsightly low point3) NijiJP is stuck at their stagnated normal4) VSPO is fighting against stagnating and inclining a little5) HoloID is in a holding pattern, in what seems to be their new normal (better than their old)6) NijiEN is in a holding pattern, in what seems to be their new normal (catastrophically low, pre Luxiem tier)7) StarsEN. DAMN!
>>49423379Idk but personally, I would like to play it but the thought of watching it doesn't sound good.
How Amelia is losing to Kiara?
>>49423421Mean for this post >>49423441
>>49423530i stopped watching because it kept turning into 140p
>>49423504>Me: oh, is StarsEN doing good?>*looks at the graph*>Oh... Oh no...
>>49423504>NijiEN and StarsEN dyingGreat news!
>>49422912>starting a twitch channel>taking shitty sponsors>roommate merch>roommate agency with fan events and concertsNot sure what she tried to do but in terms of effort it was like 50/50 between holo and "other" side and she herself claimed that hololive is 5% or 10% of her life so,,,
Explain
>>49423083>zelda is a debuff right?>i cant see anyone wanting to get spoiledI worked out quite well for Sora.First stream, though
I'm a Fauna anti not because of anything she said but because she took a vacation on the worst fucking possible week to take a vacation.I am now an IRyStocrat because at least she's not playing Zelda.
Thoughts on the new Pioneer design?
>>49423504NijiEN and HoloEN pretty stabilized to their "new normal", but where is StarsEN's floor? They are still dropping in terms of viewership.
>>49423530Her internet is cutting out every 3-4 minutes or so, but you're probably not interested in actual answer.
>>49423623>NijiEN and HoloEN pretty stabilized to their "new normal"you sure about that? It looks to me like NijiEN goes lower every single day
>>49423604Add a red scarf and it is perfect.
>>49423441I genuinely don't care anymore.They're about 1 year too late and it wouldn't surprise me if it's just another sponsor collab / event stream that won't be amazing.
>>49423504>StarsEN 3 viewFinally, now to see if they continue free falling to end up below StarsJP
>>49423576She wants to have two careers, not "transition" from one to another
>>49423504HoloEN basically correlated with HoloJP, until Tempus came, then they diverge.Afterwards HoloEN correlates to NijiEN, and both come crashing down.
>>49423664Look at the graph I referred to, idiot.
>>49423599Soratomo's just want to watch Sora.
>>49377748thr water one is still in VOMS.
>>49423022I appreciate this dude for visiting these places i cant go to. Gives a bit of insight and footage of them too. Good stuff.
>>49423729Wait that's actually true. HoloEN was doing fine and then Tempus pops up and all of a sudden HoloEN starts dying.
>>49423604How are they a "Pioneer"?
>>49423441Would they really release new males this fast?
>>49423729>Another post from a nijinigger that can't accept the harsh reality of his beloved EN branch dying so he copes by saying HoloEN is in the same situationSuch many cases.One is sub 6k, the other is sub 2k. Not even a competition at this point, lol
During my dive of the archives, I got curious regarding the reason for the original /vyt/ - hololive split, and decided to try finding some answers.First thing I found was that there was already a narrative war right at the start of /vt/ regarding what happened, nijifags blaming holofags, holofags blaming nijifags, people blaming 2hus etc. etc.And since the board was so new, no one linked any sources.And unfortunately warosu for some reason has no archives of the time period that the split happened, and archived moe does not have a fucking search function for /jp/, so I had to mix and match the two in order to find the right threads.It took me a while, but the effort did pay off.The split was thought to be needed because Hololive gained a lot of popularity from the Azur Lane collab + Asacoco making waves among the EOP scene, and Hololive discussion basically drowned out everything else on /vyt/.>>>/jp/22612999 (December /vyt/ thread)1334 posts in 39.6 hours>>>/jp/22863086 (January /vyt/ thread)1693 posts in 19.5 hours> /#/ today1427 posts in 8.5 hours/#/ today went at double the speed of those threads back then, yet people still called it relatively "slow".Naturally this speed only increased once HoloEN broke into the scene, eventually causing the creation of this very board.So in hindsight, the split WAS probably in the best interests of the non-holos, since primetime discussion would end up being hololive streams alone.There was also a lot of shitposting about various topics (with even jannies getting involved), examples being -> choosing which OP to use for /vyt/, and tribalist autism regarding holos and nijis (mostly against holos), occasional deletion of OP pics when the jannie didn't like it etc.> doxxfags spamming all chuuba faces, calling them ugly etc. (not restricted to one company)> shitting on newfag EOPs and other forms of gatekeeping attempts, including spreading random rrats (that people easily believed at the time), some of them persisting to this day due to EOPs outnumbering JSLs now.> occasional numberposting was tolerated, but they would mostly be praised when nijis were winning and shit on when nijis were losing. Origins of the hatred of numberfagging on /hlg/ and later /hlgg/ since it was mostly used for shitposts.After the split, discussion in /vyt/ was mostly still Nijis, with the occasional indie posts, and surprisingly Pikamee and VSPO chuubas as well (>>>/jp/24843419).Here's some of these historic threads which I'll link directly because there's no other way to find them from the archives -Very first /vyt/ after the split : https://archived.moe/jp/thread/22922302/First Hololive-only thread : https://archived.moe/jp/thread/22914980/First Nijisanji-only thread : https://archived.moe/jp/thread/22917493/You can make up your own minds about the state of the threads.One thing I noticed was that an attempt to split the thread had been done multiple times since December when the Azur Lane collab and Coco brought in a bunch of new Hololive fans into /vyt/, causing a lot of friction with the existing audience.But these were shut down by /jp/ jannies, possibly due to having less space for touhou threads./jp/ natives from other threads were used to their board being slow, and chuubas taking over likely left a bad taste with some of them, causing a bunch of shitposts and raids, with even janny support sometimes."Thread Splitting" was sometimes used as an excuse to start shitpost timeloops during December-January after the first split attempts were shut down, so people were mostly tired of it by the time the split actually happened.Funnily enough the first successful holo split thread was created by a nijifan -/vyt/ Thread where it was spawned : https://archived.moe/jp/thread/22909575/Posts -https://archived.moe/jp/thread/22909575/#22914984https://archived.moe/jp/thread/22909575/#22915006https://archived.moe/jp/thread/22909575/#22915046https://archived.moe/jp/thread/22909575/#22915138He cited that Hololive fans were only there for Hololive while Nijisanji fans had no problems discussing other chuubas, and so should just use /vyt/ (kek).The split actually stayed this time without getting nuked, implying that he was a janny or a mod.12 hours later, naturally Nijifans wanted their own thread and split off as well.Once the idea was accepted, the splits naturally stabilized with their own fanbases and cultures, until Myth debuted and messed up the dynamics once again.
>>49423504HoloEN>CCVID low: 5887>Current low: 5526Yeah, what a failure.
>>49423781the crash started exactly 1 day after they were announced, July 18th
>>49423504RELEASE THE TEMPUS 3
>>49377748the water one is still in VOMS.
>>49423825Alright drama guy, I know it is you. Nobody is reading all that shit.
>>49423504Now, here is something unsettling>it's been 10 days since "THE GREAT INVERSION" and Holostars EN are still trailing Holostars JPMost of the incline from Holostars JP started on March 17 so they'll start falling off of the chart today or tomorrow but it's a little worrisome>what if Tempus recline as hard as the Holostars and continue following their trajectory?
>>49423573>is StarsEN doing good?Asked no one ever.
>>49423785Beaver with tools
>>49423329> gets proven wrong> proceeds with headcannonGet some help you fucking retard.
>>49423379People that watch vtubers probably play zelda. If you play zelda you won’t watch it until you’ve beaten it
>>49423825Browsing like 15-20 /vyt/ threads of the past from various time periods was an enlightening experience./Virtual Youtubers/ used to be a great thread where chuuba fans were (mostly) united in just loving chuubas and enjoying their streams, videos etc.People often posted Kizuna Ai, 4kings, Hololive, Nijisanji, .Live, and any other chuubas that were interesting enough to be discussed, and there was very little shitposting until mid-2019 when Nijisanji started gaining prominence, along with yabs and recline in other companies like Kizuna Ai/Upd8 and .Live which Nijisanji fans at the time happily shitposted about ("Nijigods" etc.)..Live used to have 10k CCV chuubas back in 2019, pretty insane to think about./#/ kind of feels like a rejuvenation of the spirit of old /vyt/ imo, with perhaps just a slight more importance given to the tally.> OP pic shitposting problem resolved by using non chuuba OP> all baits get some response and shitposters get dunked on, so newfags can identify schizos by lurking for long enough and integrate into thread culture faster> people will dunk on you for being new but still spoonfeed you as long as you don't act like a schizo> someone always posts timestamps and source requests to btfo "I dreamed about it" rrats> doxxfags btfo thanks to board rules and sharkmeido> any chuuba is allowed to be posted, althought not all are made to feel welcome> all chuuba industry news gets posted here firstWe do have a LOT more schizos compared to the /vyt/ days, but they've sort of become background noise due to the sheer predictability and boringness of their posts.Only thing missing is genuine NijiJP discussion from non-tribalist nijisanji fans.There were a lot more of them back in the day, even with all the shitposters.Livers like Levi, ShizuRin, Mashiro etc. would often have a lot of discussion in old /vyt/.But I can kind of understand why nijifans wouldn't bother to post here with the post-discord-leak climate.I also learned that NijiJP fans don't have a culture of liveposting on their threads because of the large number of livers and never having more than 1-2 people watching the same stream, so they are culturally encouraged to just post in chat (in Japanese ofc).Exceptions sometimes made for big events and collabs, although disagreements about this existed.This might explain why their threads feel super weird compared to most of /vt/, with most of the thread just being stream link spams (old /vyt/ culture), with individual liveposts having 0-2 replies each.Or it could just be due to their entire remaining fanbase in /vt/ being only 18 IPs...Anyway, this was a fun exercise, hope it will be useful for someone somewhere.
>>49423965I don't like how it's presenting itself to me
>>49423684It's more like she wants to have one career but is not delusional enough to try a Coco I guess she seen how kson ended up and nobody on vtuber scene can give her more clout for music anyway.
>>49423942
>>49423604It's literally unfair how much AZKi inclined this year.
>>49423484Yes and there was no implication that was en3 just more debuts which I keep telling you people is coming after tempuke which will appear in 2024. 2025 is en 3
>>49423504>3digit averagestarsEN breaking records
>>49423825Damn, why is Nijisanji so evil?
>>49423825>>49424005You should use Enna's image so it is easier to identify and block.
>>49423942>at least they're doing better than starsJPtempusbros... our last cope...
>>49424081The VSinger thing was holding her back
HoloEN management trying to pass off Tempus as EN3, acting like everyone would clap like seals at the idea, is one of the most out-of-touch things I've seen a corpo do in recent memory.
>>49423504Didnt realize stars finally reached the 3 digits.
>>49423604main color is too pink, she should change the shade.
>>49424253To be fair, the Hololive fanbase was like that before they showed up.
>>49422943IRyS knows she doesn't have the attention span to stick with the game. That and it isn't good for numbers.
>>49423942Once the homoJP numbers drop back to normal, someone should get an updated opinion from the homobeggars on twitter as to why no one is watching them
>>49424321Its still like that, just with e-celebs tough.
>>49424005>NijiJP fans don't have a culture of liveposting on their threads because of the large number of livers and never having more than 1-2 people watching the same stream, so they are culturally encouraged to just post in chatThat's because they're dumb.That anon that posts [Sora News] in this thread is a blessing, same for the one posting AZKi feats. They did more to help other people to take a fancy for their oshi than a thousand ads could
>>49424081>finally got a good model>streaming something she is good at and enthusiastic aboutKanata also found her footing after the "redesign". If only they let Gura streams the games/react content that she wanted..
>>49424111cant believe this nigger permanently crippled HololiveEN and then vanished
>>49424404He was a secret nijispy
>>49423825tl;dr no one gives a fuck about cred except nijiniggers like (you)
>>49424081turns out, she's a decent streamer.
damn bro I'm not reading all that
>>49424005I always considered .live’s Idolbu to have the ‘original’ streaming box. Nearly every girl could hit 8-11k (albeit they rarely overlapped). Man I miss Natori…
>>494238252%
>>49424404Tempus1 was bad but tolerable, it let them know a male gen won't really hit it bigTempus2 was the biggest mistake the branch has ever made
>>49424187They kinda are to be fair.Some starsjp are straight up 2views now and no EN has fallen from 3view hell yet.
>>49423825People who are willing to watch niji are usually unityfag too. Back in the days it also means they are good in JP. There are a lot of EOPs watching Hololive even before Myth. >So in hindsight, the split WAS probably in the best interests of the non-holos, since primetime discussion would end up being hololive streams alone.You don't need to write a wall of text because this is the only answer that you are looking for anyway.
>>49424253Tempus was pretty popular when they first drop I even remember this thread knelling during magni intro with the metal. Everybody thought we had a couple of brotubers but in the end en management dropped the ball so hard omega got fired.
>>49423684>>49423576Use socialblade if you want a more complete picture
>>49423604I'm so fucking cute and smug, bros.
>>49424564It was always going to be 8 members as seen with the # of seats at da boyz guild. They were so sure of themselves that it would be a Luxiem tier success they commissioned models before even seeing how the first 4 did.
>Kiara actually doing Holotalk without FaunaWhy
so, it's her? any good shitposts on the subject in the past few threads?
>>49424620>I even remember this thread knelling during magni intro with the metalI am glad I was the only one who didn't do that. I tried Magni and Vesper and immediately know they are not really that entertaining. To be fair, most of the ENs are not entertaining which is why I gave them a chance, like I did for every EN. Now I don't watch any EN anymore.
Are all of them really gonna stream zelda game for a whole month? Looking at numbers that can't last.
>>49424673*Girlstalk
>>49424688I'm not a fucking telepath, dude.
>>49424688Yes, Chapipi is doing unarchived karaoke in school swimsuit!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=np31uoUhzL8Floating around 100 viewers!
>>49424673She said that yesterday. Gura is the stand in and the guest.
https://twitter.com/josuijishinri/status/1657853174001319936>" i think i'll be cancelling tonight's stream. schedule will be out later but i forgot about a few things happening so i'll be rearranging streams a bit!"rrats??
>>49424688Here? Nah, nothing more than just dissapointment and blaming kekson.The voms thread got raided hard tough.
It's mother's day, people are spending time with their actual mommy's instead of their virtual ones.
>>49424673Fauna cannot be her friend.
>>49424774Haato's thread got raided too
>>49424564https://twitter.com/omegaalpha_en/status/1484017037303508996
>>49424744someone should tell her to do Green Bird from Cowboy Bebop.
>>49424769TEMPUS3
>>49424754That's not a stand in though. It was always supposed to be Kiara/Mumei/Fauna + Guest
>>49424564>it let them know a male gen won't really hit it bigA lesson they couldn't have learned from all of their massively successful male gens in StarsJP?Luxiem and NijiEN in general was courting the Chinese market Hololive had intentionally exited a year prior. Delusional to think StarsEN was ever worth a try in 2022 especially when most of the EN fanbase was waiting for EN3 to be announced
>>49424674They were going to be just 6.But they added two more (the asia-themed Shinri and Hakka) because debuting just two more would be a little weird.
>>49424673What a fucking waste of all that waiting if true
>>49424614Before I found Hololive, I watched lots of Nijisanji, although primarily Rion and Shizurin (before her ff14 spamming). Eventually watched others, even when I began to primarily watch Hololive. Then it came to the point where I hated how Nijisanji kept spamming new talents and it was getting overwhelming to follow all the shit. I appreciated Hololive for keeping small enough where I could follow all the events as if it was an anime.
>>49424253>out-of-touchAre you memory holing how around the time Tempus was being finalized NijiEN looked to be on the rise along with Shoto?If management based their decisions on short term numbers alone, mix-gender EN looked like the way to go.That they didn't have a 5th or 6th manager that could have gone """EN"", sure" or, "maybe this will trigger skitzos than the other fans can stomach and we should ease it in".
Holy shit zelda is a debuff
>>49424769TEMPUS1 GRADUATION
>>49424688Yes. Now apologize to Pomu. Can't believe people called her a liar when she said the graduation was planned a month ago. The fact that they have a graduation merch already pointed out that it is not because of the tranny harassment.
>>49424825She covered the Opening alreadyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IK_0jnhtsk
>>49424830Kiara was esl when she said that, but yes Fauna will not be there.
>>49423825Super interesting.Thanks historian anon.
>>49424856I literally don't fucking get it. It 100% wasn't a fucking Fauna issue because she's always ready to stream that early. Mumei too because she's not in school anymore. So it was a Gura issue, they really couldn't wait another week or two? Or they couldn't do it last fucking week?
I just don't think HoloEN (or any EN corpo) can replicate the HoloJP effect where the box draws from newblood and gets bigger. It seems that new arrivals show up, get their own established audience, and slowly lose it over the years.We sure as shit will never know since Cover has damned EN to no new blood in 2 years and let's face it, won't give them new gens each year after EN3 either.
>>49424875To be fair Ina is playing the first one
>>49424769(me)There is not a single stream from Tempus Gen1 except for Gen2 members and one Bettel watchalong
>>49424900Nobody cares pomucuck, now go back to your discord
>>49424900Lazusydiachuds have a very warped vision of what they think Pomu is.
>>49424932It was definitely Fauna. She needs some time off from the drama. The other girls know this and didn't push her to do it.
>>49424804Why? Still no news about her?
>>49424350>Muh toxic idol culture>Girls afraid of their incel fans too much to collab>Cover not supporting them enoughPick your cope, they'll still use all the old excuses for why nobody watches the homos
>>49425021You already got told to take your meds earlier, do you need to be told again? Is that your fetish?
>>49424875I feel like everyone is actually just playing Zelda rather than watching it right now. Every stream from Zelda release to now has been awful.
>>49425021Fuck off nijinigger
>>49424868>Are you memory holing how around the time Tempus was being finalized NijiEN looked to be on the rise along with Shoto?Except we all fucking knew it was the chinks.And yes, its out of touch as fuck to assume you can get Nijisanji's male streamer numbers or anywhere close. The top jap male streamers are in nijisanji. Does that magically mean there's a Homo audience in japan? nopeWhy would it be different in EN? Out of fucking touch Cover decision
>>49425096There it is.
>>49424840Well, yeah. "Delusional" just about sums up all of Holo's male aspirations.
>>49425022VShojobeggars/Ksonfags lust for her that's why
Fauna getting dropped for girls talk collab has made me mad
>>49425167Shes on break anon
>>49424868>>49425106I was literally about to type this out ^ lol. Yeah, it was absolutely out of touch to assume your corpo, that openly told China to go fuck itself, would be able to rake in the same Chinese fujos who fund NijiEN
rare Myth raid
>>49425190She's been streaming for 5 months now, you can't tell me they couldn't find time either before now or after her break to do the collab
>>49424956HoloEN has the formula but not the size. If you were around before Gen 3 debuted you couldn't recognize the box that exists today. With size, you can create small units that incline together and you have more members to cover dead hours to grab inaccessible viewers.Even debuting once a year in EN is way too slow compared to how fast JP was debuting in the most crucial moment to form the box.
>>49424369Lack of Unity within the "box" has always been a detriment of the Nijisanji fanbase, whether it's due to the lack of collabs, lack of box culture, lack of enthusiasm or the inherited culture of gatekeeping what they like from people they thought were not worth seeing what they saw.Someone who wasn't a fan of a liver would probably make noise if that liver was being liveposted, and most other nijifans would simply be neutral in the fight.Whether it's the /jp/ thread or the /vt/ thread or the modern day /jp/vyt/ that's a husk of it's former self, all three threads have the exact same culture now... it's quite sad to watch.
As a cope for not having Fauna, im watching this in about 10 minuteshttps://youtu.be/6wz61DsUYvw
>>49425271Watch it in 37 minutes so it'll be like she's acctually streaming.
>>49423853>>49423781I wish someone in en would accidentally leak their analytics. I want to know if tempiss killed the algo for holoen or if they just made people leave. If it’s the former en3 has an uphill but winnable battle. The latter on the other hand might end up courting a brand new fanbase which could lead to a host of other issues
>>49425167>angy borgar eating
>WISH I COULD TURN BACK TIMENah, /jp/ is a shit board and should be completely be disregarded if you watch VTubers.
>>49424956Only HoloJPs are willing to kayfabe and have a collective story for themselves. NijiJP side has Mito who is willing to kayfabe but others are just regular streamers.HoloEN and all other EN vtubers refused to kayfabe or are unable to keep it up. Not only that, all of them, including their viewers, think that story arc are cringe and people who think story arcs are important is a "story arc schizo". With fans like this of course they will continue to act like flesh streamer and refuse to do any story arc with their streams.
>>49424526Did we ever find out whether Sio's black company allegations were true?
>>49425271Kek. Some anon mentioned they were gonna rewatch that VOD yesterday. That you? Thanks for the recommendation
>>49425249Problem is, the JP chuubas viewed the growth of Holo as a whole as being equally beneficial to them. They streamed. A lot. They *tried* to incline.EN just comes across as apathetic, and I 100% believe the only reason they're streaming so much now is because new management is kicking their asses, with the exception of Gura who is untouchable.
>HOW ARE NUMBERFAGS ONLY FIGURING OUT ZELDA IS A DEBUFF NOW!??AAAAAAAHHHHHHH, how dumb are you guys?!?!Other than MAYBE (big maybe) Noel, the whole rest of the industry will get debuffed by a JRPG, even more so by a NEW JRPG that people don't want to get spoiled!
>>49425329/jp/ is good. I posted there during my Kancolle time. People were schizo but actually play the game/watch vtubers/follow underground idols/do their reps. Vt are just a bunch of kids hungry for drama.
>>49425414It's a case of hope for the best, prepare for the worst. I don't think anyone genuinely expected it to be a buff
>>49424875These girls are retarded. You don't exclusively stream something that's gonna filter people because if those people skip enough streams they are gonna break the conditioning, realize you were never really a good streamer, re-evaluate their life and just not come back. The parasocial element is required as much as these whores hate it and think they can succeed on their merits as an 'entertainer'.
>>49424860> Shizurin had 2k average back in 2019Man...
>>49425026Reminds me of getting banned from here last week for suggesting that the Hologirls don’t want to collab with a bunch of strange, potentially creepy dudes in Holostars. Apparently that pissed off a homobeggar mod.
>>49425391All the ENs are just costing at this point, with probably, surprisingly, Bae doing what she can to incline. Her newest original is doing good.
Yeah Ame has raids off kek, Kiara can't raid her
>>49425451I unironically prefer /vt/ for VTubers because /hlg/ is EN Suki Kirai and the other doxsite fused in one with no real fans.
>>49424929
>>49425531I refuse to accept that's true for Fauna, the same could be said for plenty of JP too
Guys, I do think an announcement is coming tonight!The air around us is too quiet
>>49425581Really? I went to check hlg from time to time when it was mentioned here and find that a lot of people were liveposting in the thread.
>>49425566Why does some even have it on? Random 3 views raiding you doesn't sound fun.
>>49425566based Debuffson, true to her nature and her ways
>>49425644Tempus 3 confirmed
>>49425624Fauna's coasting, she's just not making dumb decisions (for the most part, she still does some dumb shit like doing SC readings into Hitman when she could've done the opposite)t.Sapling
>>49425531>Her newest original is doing good.It's one of the worst performing EN original song, though ?
>>49424381Model was always good but you are correct. Gura being chained by troon en management
>>49425333Oh my god kill yourself story arc schizo
>>49425644>too quietThere are more EN streams than usual already.
>>49425624The thing is JP has its cash cows, the First Army, alleviating the costs of the low-earners. I don't think EN has that.
>>49425675>she's just not making dumb decisionsUnironically, there is not a lot more than that being requested>PLEASE EN GIRLS, PLEASE PLEASE AT VERY LEAST DO THE BASICS
>>49425661I thought you could set it up so only people you are subscribed to can raid you
>>49425167Kiara originally wanted to do them monthly, so you won't have to wait too long for the next one
>>49425687https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnX8Lk-iSCo>540k in 9 days is terrible nowHuh?
>>49425302Why wouldn’t fans leave? Same with NijiEN being Holo-lite before Luxium caused male viewers to leave. Ultimately, male vtubers don’t offer anything that male fleshstreamers don’t already do. With the added benefit of male vtubers being the equivalent of Poochie: where males must be included at all times on the girls streams and when they’re not, the girls must ask: “where da boiz at?”
>>49425820All the ones that have it on have gotten raided by random 3 views, so I don't know.
>>49425821Yeah but the fucking one with Gura is done. So no Fauna/Gura. I'm actually seething and I'm not going to watch that shit on principle.
>>49423623for holo EN it's new normal without regular streams from Gura + less collabs
>>49425624Plenty is a weird word. I would say more than half of JP are still trying to make something of themselves. Fauna is already coasting 1 year in. You are not noticing it because her baseline is still streaming regularly with same fucking contents. Kronii streams regularly too but she streams less in a week. If Fauna really tries, she would've make her ASMR works instead of blaming her rented place. She also would've do more projects instead of streaming the same shit over and over again.
>>49425391It took 2.5 years to give Myth their 3D debut, and as much as we joke about Gura "working on shit", a lot of homegrown EN projects just get shut down by management. We still see that as recently as last month where JP managers blocking Kiara trying to collab with Korone. I don't blame Myth for getting disheartened at allIt's a shame because the CGDCT half of CouncilRyS is the only group chasing the incline. Fauna and Mumei are doing their best still and IRyS is a well-known numberfagIf the branch had more attention, who knows where we'd be now but that's of course the land of /wg/, but I'd put the blame squarely on management before the girls
>>49425893>So no Fauna/GuraWell, good for me since I don't giva a shit about Fauna/Gura
>>49425833As far as EN original goes, yeah ?
>>49425675>she's just not making dumb decisionsUntil 5 days ago, that is.
>>49425723See? This is why EN have nothing and will continue to have nothing.
>>49425926While I'm sure some projects have gotten shut down, I think it's overstated. Mainly because, genuinely, what reason does management have to get in the way that often?
>>49425981You can continue to pretend it's a big deal if you want.
>>49425302Why would tempus killed algo for hololive, do they use the same metadata or something?
>Saplings embarrassing themselves in front of the rest of the Hololive fanbase yet againA tale as old as time at this point
>>49425981Fauna missing out on the collab is a bigger yab than whatever concocted drama you dreamt up
It's really not that hard to see what EN is doing wrong if you do direct comparisons to their JP counterpartsCompare what Gura has done in 2023 to Pekora. Compare what Mori has done in 2023 to Suisei.Compare what Ina has done in 2023 to MarineCompare what Amelia has done in 2023 to Towa
>>49426067I am not pretending. I am not the one that is going on here and all the Fauna yab thread defending her 24/7. Maybe if you didn't join in the fun of the catalog threads Fauna wouldn't have won the drama tally.
>>49425644It is 100% tonight
>>49426067If it wasn't a big deal saplings wouldn't be desperately playing damage control in every thread about it.
>>49425644I'm watching the Sixers get fucked
>>49425654>whore>whore>graduation when?>whore>whore>bash X's head with a brick>avatarfagging sapling 9/10 of the posts>BASED BASED BASED WE HATE X HERE I MISS FAUFAU UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU>whore>whore>bash X's head with a brick>fake otaku>everyone I don't like is brown>clique X is ruining Hololive>why do they hate each other?>rape fantasy X, Y, and ZYeah it's shit.
>>49424849one gen with 8 members is extremely weird by hololive standards
>>49426058Managers who think they know what’s best making decisions on behalf of talents probably
>>49426155Compare what Fauna has done with Kanata.Kanata made a statement and reassured her fans despite management's fuck ups. Fauna made her fans doubt themselves and blamed the one who sent the question.
>>49426155Go back.
>>49426216>>49426160There is literally no winning by the way. No one defends her and people spread the >SHE HATES HER FANS bullshit to the point that tourists take it and parrot it into oblivion. People defend her and you get these retarded ass posts. You are all retarded niggers.
>>49426235Similar to this thread, /hlg/ has it's fair share of schizos.I'm fine with both these threads having a shit reputation though, it's an extra filter for retards who can't read more than 2 sentences.
>>49426118In their defense for them all to readily come back after it seemingly looked all but over for them after the yab is proof /vt/ rratting doesn't work for some.
>>49426235>avatarfagging sapling 9/10 of the postsSo hlg was facing a sapling infestation too? I wonder why they refuse to stay in global? Insecurity I supposed?
>>49426274Go fucking kill yourself babski
>>49423785Beaver build dam and contribute to the distribution of water supplies in the wildThey ARE pioneer, literally built dam before human know how
>>49426290That's not fair. Fauna loves her fans money. She just doesn't want to feel obligated to do anything in return for it.
>>49425926>a lot of homegrown EN projects just get shut down by managementTime to rrat out. What if this was because of the Tempus plans?
>>49425644If I wake up and don't find an EN3 announcement I curse you to have 30 papercuts within the next month.
>>49425654Yeah, /hlg/ seems to have more fans who actually understand Japanese than most JP generals on /vt/. That said, it does have a different culture that /vt/newfags can't wholly grasp intuitively, even though the schizos are largely the exact same people as the ones plaguing this thread and something of a background noise after you get used to them.For an example of the different culture, I remember how someone there made a greentext about what Rushia had supposedly said on Korekore's/Narukami's/her own stream that started off seriously but quickly developed into having all their local Towa memes as punchlines. When it got posted on /vt/, people thought the punchlines were about Suisei or Matsuri with some guy taking it seriously and asking for a source despite showing skepticism about the bully being known to walk naked in Holo office. Even later on I saw perhaps the same guy posting the legit sounding part of it on Reddit as something Rushia had said.
>>49426331The ones posting here originally come from /hlg/ and not Global actually
>>49425581when? I went there, and it's not any better than here.
>>49426331It's literally the same fucking guy
>>49426155>Compare what Gura has done in 2023 to Pekora.Nothing.>Compare what Mori has done in 2023 to Suisei.On her RM? A lot. As Mori? Nothing.>Compare what Ina has done in 2023 to Marine. Nothing, though Marine has mostly just been consolidating the traction she got off IYTB.>Compare what Amelia has done in 2023 to TowaNothing.
>>49426058I wish I knew. This is the same company that has a singular game perms guy for EN who's permanently on break. It's a miracle Hololive got to where it is today given how much management tries to shoot itself in the foot
>>49426290Do you understand now? This is what real drama looks like. It will be here no matter you want to participate in it or not. You keep spamming "manufactured yab" and people will think saplings are a bunch of lowlives trying to gaslight people into thinking that it is not a yab. Not even kronies trying to hide the fact that Kronii betrayed them and collab with Tempiss.
>>49426370>spamming whore and clamoring for people to bash someone's head with a brick is considered a positive culture shift than what goes on in hereYou're hilarious. Stop excusing the schizo's hugbox. I actually feel comfortable here.
>>49425970https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RMVJTLZOzQhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6W749jRBg-4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHibTDJlTJwhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKJErsN-ylUhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhIa8Vaj1HEhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEHbF1PsLI4No, not even close, what the hell?Do you think 2020-21 Gura and More are the only people that ever released original songs in EN?Bae's song is outperforming 80% of Mori's originals from 2022 onwards.
> Another "what should HoloEN do" timeloopFor fucks sake, the answer is, has been, and always will beDEBUT MORE GIRLS
>>49426370/vt/ got reddified pretty quickly since /hlgg/ was already a reddit containment thread. It's interesting people who only visit this board are frightened going outside of it. Shark meido did his absolute best to ensure all the reddit tourists felt comfortable
>>49425333The actual truth isn't any of this cope about story arcs or kayfabe, it's that the JP audience is simply different and acts differently than everyone else. You could have an EN group that is 1:1 what the JPs do in English and you still won't get the numbers. Early Myth was part of a fad cycle, which is over now. Those numbers are never coming back no matter what you do.
>>49426397You're right. It's worse. 75-25 anti-fan split. It's around half and half here.
>>49423825>>49424005That was interesting.As they say, an anon who doesn't know his own thread culture is doomed to repeat it. Godspeed.
>>49426256Even then, for them to get stonewalled that much it would basically have to come down to >the previous EN management (because, ofc, we know someone got fired recently) has to have been actively sabotaging them for whatever reason
>>49423592drama?
>>49426472Ogey.
>>49426370/hlg/ is exactly what happened if you allow dox on /vt/. Everything that is wrong with /hlg/ can be trace back to dox
>>49426473>I actually feel comfortable here.Yeah, that's the problem nigger
>>49426370>Even later on I saw perhaps the same guy posting the legit sounding part of it on Reddit as something Rushia had said.Seems like Reddit is the anus of the internet.
>>49424673They aren't friends.
>>49426502>has beenOnly this.It's way too late now, they'll never get back to the same audience numbers as in 2021.
>>49426550Pretty much. And that's 90% of the thread. A lot of timeloops from Summer 2020 too. At least /#/ lives in the present.
You guys really came up with all sorts of sophisticate reasons for EN decline, it’s actually pretty simple: THEY FUCKING LACK PEOPLE
>>49426511JP audiences want cute anime girls. Look at Pekora and Miko.EN audiences want whores. Look at Amouranth and Fauna.
>>49425510seems like she's completely done with nijisanji
>>49426488>Fauna>Song released 4 months before the video you're linking>Main channel>Main channel>Song released 2 months before the MV>Song released 3 months before the MVContext matter, retardchama.
>>49425644TEMPUS 3
>>49426693deadbeat cope
>>49426693Someone's going to say context cope, like outing themselves as a retard somehow makes them right.
>>49426155>"Marine's counterpart is Ina"
>>49426563I probably would have liked /vyt/ because the only thing worse than a hugbox is a schizobox. The only person that no one could contain was AIfag and he's long dead.
https://twitter.com/mikochisub/status/1657730881698807811?s=46&t=vAuMk6FVLkrJxgLS90A6gwMiko say 35p IS a fat fuck. OG fat fuck even
>>49426653No. They are fucking boring. You want to know the truth? I fucking tried Myth. I really want to watch their stuff. I really do. But by God's grace they are fucking boring to watch, with maybe Gura's zatsudan being the only thing entertaining. When IRyS debuted, same issue. Council debuted, same boring bunch of girls that I genuinely gave them my time of the day, but none of them impressed me. I would say I only watch their popular clips because those are fun. For JP I can watch the streams live and it would be fun most of the time.
>>49426773(me)I stand corrected, >>49426746 was more retarded than I gave them credit for.
>>49426814t. eop
>>49425926>>49426363Also, the original lineup.>popular meme queen, but inconsistent and barely there>up-and-coming underground j-artist, but groupie and >rap>trilingual idolfag, but former idol aspirant>experienced content creator, but twitch gamer mentality>artistI'm pretty sure EN was set up to fail from the beginning. Except it didn't.To rrat out even more, it was probably CN infiltration to make their own market more influential to Cover.
>>49426350>>49426290>>49426216ok you autistic faggots, what do you want exactly? Fauna to say "I'm sorry you're actually my friend"?
G R I MRIM
>>49426693Doesn't change that they're still way below Psycho in numbers, so it's nowhere near the worst performing song, not even a bad performing one.And it that context, 540k in 9 days is still good nowadays. Hell, it was always good.Get your facts straight.
>>49426814Ok sure but every current problem of EN can be fixed by debuting more girls>Lack of big collab? Here’s more people to collab with>Lack a “head” to lead the branch? Debut them>Need to fill dead hours? Just get more people to do it
>>49426848AhahahahahahaKeep coping. I can only stand Gura because she is fun and IRyS for her YabaIRyS moment. That's it.
>>49426910>there will be no cripple tally entries today
>>49426894Fuck off, fuck off with this timeloop.
>>49426910Side note, EVEN KIARA'S STREAM TITLES COME ACROSS AS SO FUCKING ARROGANT I HATE ORANGE WOMAN ORANGE WOMAN BAD
>>49426894>Fauna to say "I'm sorry you're actually my friend"?Yes. And unbanned Babski.
>>49426814>I don't like them so they're boringlisten you retard this isn't an argument, they're among the most watched english streamers in the world, it gets even narrow if you put "women" as a category there. you don't like them, great, none of us like them all. but that's a subjective opinion
>>49426814I bet you don't actually speak or understand a word of Japanese.
>>49426848what is this retardation? they're EN chuubas
IRyS reminds me of my little sister
>>49426987>And unbanned Babski.retard
>>49426370>>49426550didn't those mistranslated Laplus "yabs" come from there?
>>49426943So you really do only speak english.
>>49426937Would that actually make EN incline is the question? The holoEN box has gotten smaller and smaller with every month. Outside of big events, it's legit like 20K now.
>>49426990Even worse they admitted to being a clipfag
>>49426987Fuck off babski
>corporate worship is only OK if VShojoI learned something new today.
>>49426987Fuck you babski. That shit stirring faggot needs to be blacklisted from every channel.
>>49426987t. babski
>>49426668Wait, Fauna is a whore, so she does decline but the EN audience wants whores. I did not know some schizos are really stupid.
>>49427022The solution? Debut more people, create new fanbases that fused with the box
Chart anon, are you still here?
>>49426118>>49426216who?
>>49427031NTA but I follow ENs through clips as wellSat through a few of their streams early on but realized that there wasn't anything much I was missing by being a clipfag.
>>49426987>Bitch about her breaking immersion >Want her to do it again just to apologize Suck on a dick>Unban babski Kill yourself
>>49426987Personally, I hope Fauna goes even harder on you retards. I hope she comes back from the break, opens with "did you miss me, acquaintances?" and then proceeds to explain, in detail, how she got railed by 15 dudes who were all not (You)
>>49426161>>49426367>>49426734why are you assuming positive announcement??
>>49426894Yes. Or tell her saplings she is sorry in any way she wants. Tell them something better. Tell them "we cannot be friends, but we can always be a family. I am mother nature after all."Just fucking fix her mask, mend their relationship. Make the kayfabe even stronger so that her previous statement doesn't matter anymore.
Cover unironically needs to ACCELERATE HoloEN to save it.They just need more people at this point.
>>49426216Calling you a faggot and telling you to fuck off isn't damage control. It's speaking the truth and telling you to go back.
Babski should be banned in all Holos' chats period. He's harassed Noel, Watame, Lamy, and Botan too
>>49427015Yes, that thread follow Holo RM even more than the Holo themselves. N*zomi is regularly being brought up there
>>49427114ogey tranny
>>49426894Actual answer : Ban that fucker if she hasn't already, never bring up this topic ever again, and just continue to stream. She will recover her audience eventually.Lean into light GFE for a faster recovery, although the risk is higher.
>>49427127It isn't accelerate when it's been this long. They need to just move a bit.
>>49427122There's nothing to mend because nothing she says will make you not a retard
>>49427015Yeah, but pretty sure it's the same schizo posting on both boards. That said, you highlighted an issue >>49426550 missed, namely that intentional mistranslations to trip up N3s was old /hlg/ culture and after EOPs started to dominate the shitposter demographic, they had to resort to making shit up and poor Google Translations of matome posts. While /hlg/ can pretend it's all fine and dandy as long as you post a streamable that cues in everyone who actually speaks Japanese, they themselves stopped posting those when making up shit while liveposting and the end result was inevitable.
>>49427127Yes, but sadly most candidates are like the red and green EIEN whores.
>>49427116> Suischizoyeah, na
>>49427075Amouranth also reclined. Both reclined with a reason, probably the same reason.
https://youtu.be/sH0Qda32IKM
>>49427022maybe not anymore, but what's the alternative, never debut another holoen gen? have to accept that the damage has been done already, but atleast it will give some more fun pairings and collab possibilities to improve things for the girls themselves
>>49427127>Cover unironically needs to ACCELERATEYou are not fooling anyone, nijinigger.
You people deserve this. I am not sorry.
>>49427122>Just fucking fix her mask, mend their relationshipYou literally didn't watch ANY stream this week, especially not the karaoke.
>>49427127No, they just needed a new gen a year, that's all. That's not accelerating, that's just moving at a comfortable pace and giving the talents plenty of time to grow their own fanbase.
>>49426791> and he's long dead.loserbait is still alive and well, he just moved to HoloEN
>>49426910move out of the way, we have our winnerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zN_C752fusA
>>49426550>doxYou don't know what you are talking about.
>>49427151>recover her audience eventually??
Fauna
>>49424325Yes she does she’s just not good or smart enough to play the game. Irys is just a lovable retard that can’t think too hard for games
>>49427252"Apology" streams do not count. Those are Kronii-tier of manipulating her viewers.
>>49427279Only if Luca shows up will it be a sure win.
TAKO TIP 50000 DORYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Reminder that hololive is funded by George Soros Blackrock money. The reason none of them played Pineapple on Pizza is because it's 'racist'.
Sticking my cock down Ina's throat
>>49427317Simplings are teakeks in the making.
>>49427268What is loserbait even up to these days? That guy used to be mentioned literally all the time in /hlg/ alongside lyger.
>>49427175That type of autism is honestly fine, but it only works when Japanese speakers are the majority of the fanbase.In such cases, EOPs running with mistransated rrats can be easily identified and made fun of.Problem was, in their overconfidence, they didn't stop to think whether the EOPs would one day outnumber them, and the rrats about your oshi that you started would be posted like truth into a much larger community than what you could hope to control.It took a LONG time before the whole "Ayame boyfriend" rrat died down, and to this day there are people (even in this very thread) that believe that some of the Holos are married.
>>49427127Or just Mori doing good covers.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZahFflyk8k
>>49427335>scheduled streams are apology streamsYou guys are genuinely schizo
>>49427346That's not her throat.
>>49426502>>49426653>>49426937>>49426988>>49427076those numbers were never gonna last, most normalfags moved on: >>49426511
>>49427122That is fucking idiotic it's on the same level where Vox did his defense stream that was unnecesary drama breaking his KFB entirely only to call out a handful of schizos that he can't control only to rewult in a week later that is something that he shouldn't have said considering that the callout for him to not denounce and defend Reimu came from people that didn't watch him in the first place. There is no turn back and whatever damage comtrol she can attemp would only make it worse.
>>49427343Petra literally said "Because there's no niggers in Japan" on stream without getting fired. Nijisanji is not SJW garbage they are accused. Hololive is.
>>49427343Literally who now?
>>49427435ESLchama...
>>49427387>It took a LONG time before the whole "Ayame boyfriend" rrat died down, and to this day there are people (even in this very thread) that believe that some of the Holos are married.Worse. The jannies actually think those things about HoloJPs are true and consider them "dox". Sometimes it is fucking hilarious to see deleted posts about them.
>>49427435Wait Hololive are on the EGS train?
>>49427506Yes some of their talents support black lives matter. And even have trannies and diversity hires of minorities there. Hololive is worse than Vshojo in that matter.
>>49427434The only thing Vox done that was retarded was walking back on all he said the next stream. Sisters were fine with his statement and they are prepared to move on from that stream.
>>49426894No, she already let the cat out of the bag. There's no going back. She sees her fans as ATMs and nothing more. I don't think she can do anything to redeem herself because the illusion of her being a JPlike is already shattered. She's just Kronii lite now.
>>494248081 month into female auditions he changed the plan. That faggot
>>49427501A few days ago I made a joke about how low performing Nijis may support themselves and got deleted as dox. It's retarded.
>>49427560And Marine likes BBC like Kiara and Mori Calliope.
There some yab that hasn't hit the thread yet? Why the Fauna loop for the nth time this week?
>49427541WTF?
>>49427582>>49427501You can't expect every jannie to known every dox of every memebr to know what's true or not. It's better to be safe than sorry. The ONLY fucking time I found it strange was when one dude got banned for saying Towa lives in California
>>49427423New people will ALWAYS be a buffNew holos even more soBecause Cover's scouting team is the one thing that a lot of people still have some amount of faith inHoloX was an absolute gem of a gen, and even if Lui doesn't have the numbers, she's still another additional hag that can be used for grooming and tardwrangling + EN bridge stuff.EN3 WILL have a bunch of people watching their debuts.Not just Holofans.Nijifans, VSPO fans, indie chuuba fans, Phasefans, Jew Idol fans, Prism fans, EIEN fans, VShojo fans.The entire VTuber community will be watching EN3 debut, because they are a pivot in the story of HoloEN.Their level of success will be up to them, but the debuts will be massive, that much I can guarantee.
Why are EN viewers abandoning the Myth girls?
>>49427387The thing is, nobody actually has the time to follow every Holo and so it's not even EOPs spreading that shit, it's the JSLs who have their time consumed by other Holos, but due to the nature of the box want to be in the know. It also happens with simple shitposting, repeat a joke long enough and people will start assuming it is at least based on something.
>>49427606Hololive recibes money from Blackrock Jews.
>>49427387>It took a LONG time before the whole "Ayame boyfriend" rrat died downPretty sure this was proven beyond a doubt by people stalking her steam profile. Not only that but it's been a pretty long term relationship, shes been with him since high school. It's not really any more of rrat than eddie is
>>49427636>Because Cover's scouting team is the one thing that a lot of people still have some amount of faith in>Council
>>49427661I don't know, why does luxiem needs 5 fucking raids for a milestone stream?
>>49426894>What do you want exactly? Fauna to say "I'm sorry you're actually my friend"Yes.
>>49424900Nobody cares for one and it wasn’t graduation merch
>>49427606Vox ripped off Mori. Word for word, bar for bar, he stole her whole fucking flow. Cover lawyers will probably be getting involved.
>>49427387I bet you're one of the retards making up rrats to "own the EOPs" only to see your own rrats spreadign as truth.
>>49427708HoloX came after council and the restructuring of the recruitment team happened back in 2021 December anonchama
Enna and finana are good girls. Holotrannies are Americans of course they annoying. They harassed finana. I still remember fucking holotrannies. The majority too are pedophiles. Chumbuds. Hololive has ties with Blackrock and Yagoo is going to be the next Jefrey Epstein.
>>49426894yes?
>doxxingthis is what happens when you retarded niggerfaggots respond to bait
EN themehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lQTbRY2xWY
>>49427423To an extent, but when you've got the confounding factor of the EN branch doing less than nothing for *checks calendar* almost a whole year at this point, it's hard to know if it was the fad, or if they turbofumbled so hard they pissed it away. 3/4ths of the EN girls being on rotating MIA from Sept-Jan was going to fuck numbers, and debuting two waves (supposedly "one" gen, so two waves) of dudes does fuckall to appeal to the existing fans of Hologirls (see: pretty much every time they tried to force funnels this past year). Even if you managed to completely dodge the culture war, you were still stuck with fuckall in any language you could actually understand for a long-ass time.We really needed EN3 a year ago to avoid the consecutive fuckups and content voids. But even now, the only readily viable solution to any of these problems is still to throw more warm bodies at it. I mean, if Henya can get hype despite everyone forgetting Pikamee existed these past couple years, surely there's still some bandwidth for new Holo debut hype to at least delay the recline for a few months.
>>49427606It's insane that people are still trying to make something from it, feel like everytime i enter this thread it's looping
>>49427636Expecting people to know all these shits is pretty retarded,Depends on how Cover handle EN3, there might even be a renaissance for holoEN.Do the right thing and hire the right people is the key.Yelling at shitposters here however would change nothing.
>>49426155Who's Kiara's counterpart?polka?
>Hisupi drops Lore manga video at 7AM on a mondayhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4v_1gYtWPa0Why are Nijis like this?
>>49427792Who?
>>49426975Is this satire?
>>49427697It wasn't her Steam profile, it was supposedly "her" LoL page, but there was literally no evidence that the profile shown was that of Ayame's rm other than "trust me bro".JP schizos run with rrats like this because they don't have a spam limit, so I can understand why some semi-JSL folks might have gotten fooled just from reading 5ch.
>>49427803What are you talking about? I haven't seen any dox.
>>49427435>>49427560Funny people accusing NijiEN for being SJWs while I am pretty sure more than half of holoEN are at the very least leftist. This is probably because white women are more susceptible than other races by progressivism.
Thread is bottom of the barrel garbage, just post pizza already you fucking nijinigger subhumans
>>49427435refuting your pointNina mocking Jesus, Reimu whining about colonialism, Millie talking about left wing shit>>49418029 Enna being an SJW. Mocking white people, promoting gay shit, punching jesus in the face:>>>/vt/thread/S44407990#p44411187That's just Ethyria.You also have Finana banning certain trans-insensitive buzzwords from her chat like "trap" and calling her fans "parasocial fucks".Uki openly saying anti white shit:>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKLK7Y7LsAk&t=8073>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_pIAwW6kyo&t=1710>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJRDTf3ImIE&t=3005>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJRDTf3ImIE&t=7025Elira is very close friends with Uki. In fact Elira's other best friend is an indie called Maia who is openly anarcho-communist.Aia has openly been SJW, joins collabs with a gay-pride flag icon. Kyo is a massive SJW and enforces a strict SJW morality on everyone he streams with. He lectured Enna for an hour after stream one time when she made an inensitive stereotype.In fact I think the only member of NijiEN who actually has some "based" credentials is Rosemi.
>>49427816you don't need to know them.they know Hololive and HoloEN.and so they will watch.
>>49424744En is such a disappointment her singing isn’t standout, her JP pronunciation is worst than gura but she can hold a tune unlike half of en. Just to be clear Irys, Gura, mumei mori, and kiara are the only ones that can hold a tune. Bae and Ina have better voices than mori and kiara though
>>49427636>Because Cover's scouting team is the one thing that a lot of people still have some amount of faith inTempus killed that faith.
>>49422758>30 entries in tally>Not a single EN>Not even the one celebrating 1 million subsTop fucking kek
>>49427915Saplings getting mad again it seems. People are properly timelooping EN3 and "how to save EN" and you choose to seethe over some other thing.
>>49427834nijis have lore?also is this part of their "lie verse" project thingey?
>>49427606Ban Hada. But she's a gook, so nobody except the nijibugs spamming care.
>>49427929Thank god for this anon pulling all this shit up so I wouldn't have to. Based.
>>49424932How would it be a Gura issue they did a collab yesterday that could of been girl talk?
Junbros....
>>49427915Pineapple on Pizza? Yeah that game is great. A shame holotrannies can't play it because they have ties with Blackrock and George Soros.
>>49427915You asked for it. Don't put this on anyone but yourself.
>>49428038Getting married really hurt his viewership
Why do we have a /pol/schizo now?
>>49428038married whore
Niji:>plays Pineapple on Pizza (racist game)>plays Atomic Heart>EN doesn't play Hogwarts Legacy but JP doesHololive:>doesn't play Pineapple on Pizza>doesn't play Atomic Heart>EN doesn't play Hogwarts Legacy but JP doesUmm holotrannies I thought it was Niji that was the SJW company. Looks like the rumor about ESG/Blackrock funding hololive is true.
>>49427929>linking Ennaschizo's postI would need some time to watch her streams to refute it, but that twitter shit is pretty hilarious. She is a nasty woman talking about other people not wanting to eat her pussy before she posted the white face, so I don't think she is trying to be maliciously racist there.
>>49428106yeah, see >>49428125
>>49428106>nowHe's been trying to push this shit for months.
>>49427813These people always have the exact same argument when discussing an EN3. They say an EN3 won't save the branch but then never give an alternative, or their alternative is an insane proposition like completely close the branch. They're either nijinigs, beggars mad that no one wants to watch their homos or just shitposters without anything better to do with their lives.
>>49428125>plays Atomic HeartBased. Also you posted this last thread.
>A lot of HoloEN are streaming regularly again>HoloEN concert sells out multiple timesYet, it feels like holoEN is dying a slow death. Why does it feel like this?
>>49428106It's some pomucuck, fagoon having a fit like always, most likely to do with the pikamee thing
>>49427952Bae is wasting her potential by singing unfitting songs too
>>49428203People are waking up. ESG/Blackrock funding Hololive. They are run by Soros
>>49428125>Thinks HoloEN aren't playing controversial games because of outside influenceFor the last time, HOLOEN ARE ALL NORMIES. Those girls wouldn't touch anything controversial with a 10-foot pole.
>>49428209Thought fagoon was quiet cause the Selen graduation bait.
>>49428168EN3 is not really the magic that can save holoEN, it really depends.Do you think they can get all 5 girls that are not homocollabers or troublemakers?Do you think there won't be grifters slipping in?You are naive if you think "debut EN3" is the answer to all the troubles HoloEN is facing right now.
>>49428127>maliciously racistBased. She is a good girl. No wonder Holotrannies harassed her.
Pioneer bros...https://twitter.com/arina_isbeused/status/1657820180175781888
>>49428268Codeword for ESG/Blackrock funded goy. Enjoy your black disabled trans EN3.
>>49428310It is just a matter of time. "Pioneers" is deeply rooted in Soviet culture.
>>49427990Yes, many Nijis have the same level of pseudo-lore as Holos. There's entire fictional realms and shit, think Lize and Furen are from the same place.>>49427834This one seems self made and, canonically, Hisui made herself be a deaged cyber soldier.So, going from the 2nd outfit, into her original, so it fits the middle school setting.Which is... a thing i guess.
>>49428168It's even more retarded from a business view>I could have made a lot of money last year by doing a thing>I will make relatively less money by doing that thing this year so I'm not going to do it at all>In fact I'm going to remove our existing cashflow because I didn't do it last year
You know considering that both the OG Tempus boy and the VG Tempus boys both had full EN original group song i wonder if the EN3 girls will also have one and could JP7 and ID4 also have full Gen original released during their debuts
>>49426814Go watch anyone in NijiEN or HomoEN and say the HoloEN girls are boring. You might not like them, but they aren’t anywhere near the level of uninteresting as the previously mentioned ‘talents’.
>>49428127In the Ethyria collab when they were all saying left-wing shit, Enna called Reimu a "victim of capitalism" says "defeat the colonizer, eat the rich".Enna took a 30 minute sidequest in her Bully playthrough to get a gay kiss. Refuses to move to America "because of the guns". Dyes her hair pink like an SJW>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CaqztlFkcjQLiterally says "intelligence isn't real" which is a left wing talking point:>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTBUFjWxii4&t=10444Enna is simply an SJW
>LITERALLY Gura's lore Jesashttps://twitter.com/idol_corp/status/1657859463682957316?s=20
>>49428404I tried starsEN and yeah they are fucking boring. Doesn't mean holoEN is less boring.
>>49428434At least Idol Corp is not funded by ESG/Blackrock. They are funded by Russian chads.
>>49428434lelEven that one shylily twitch whore had a different lore.
>>49428466I genuinely don't know why you aren't on /jp/ if you don't like any EN
>>49428434They didn't add LOL at the end so I guess it's legally distinct.
>>49428411Why do you find fault in a Canadian who is afraid of guns in America?I've watch the collab, they said those shit jokingly and were well aware of what they were doing.
>>49428434Inb4 it's literally Gura too
>>49428539Cause he can't speak or read the language.
>>49427435It’s kind of annoying seeing some of these dumbasses try to label a political affiliation with these corpos and their talents. I don’t really give a fuck. But if we’re being perfectly honest, NijiEN are mostly a bunch of /here/ fags so they are more likely to share this place’s preferred political dumbshit than the Hologirls.
>>49428539Vee Tee is not only for EOPs you know.
Is it just me or Pekora just seem naturally bratty?
>>49428550If Canadians don't want to fear guns in america, maybe they should carry one.
>>49428296THEN. GIVE. A. FUCKING. ALTERNATIVE. Jesus fucking Christ, it's always the same shit.>>49428375For all the good decisions Cover had with HoloJP in the last year there was a retarded decision of equal force regarding HoloEN. Hopefully things have changed in the past few months and there was a switch in leadership because what the branch needs more than a new gen are people in charge who actually want to see it's growth.
>>49428559Oh, she's going to stop streaming after debuting then?
>>49428598Bingo.
>>49428539/hlg/ is a Sapling hive. So here I am.
>>49428539NTA, but there's a lot of people that aren't big fans of EN, myself included.That doesn't that I want to scream and go full schizo about how much I hate EN literally every single day in every single thread /hlg/-style.
>>49428635He's gonna say close the branch and pander to the JP audience cause he's a schizo. Why give him the (you)?
>>49428203>Yet, it feels like holoEN is dying a slow death.But it doesn't? The girls are streaming
>>49428466They’re significantly less boring than the Homos or the EN Nijis. I don’t know how that’s even a question. I say this as someone who primarily watches the JP girls, but since the EN girls are on a more convenient timezone for me, I’ll catch a few of their streams.
>>49428203Cause you spend too much time here reading shizo bait.
> Fumihiko made a petra workdayum is she really that popular in Japan?
Mio is so cute bros
>>49428550>they said those shit jokinglyif you know anything about Nina you know she isn't joking lmao her PL she was hardcore left wing political andy, communist. Reimu whines about colonialsm and white people almost every stream. Millie went on a left wing rant in her ASMR stream promoting immigration. >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yj-wq8uh_jA&t=1853 Enna did not do any of that shit jokingly, it was all dead serious. She said brown eyes were "the color of shit" and said that blue eyes "would go extinct" and it was a good thing. >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9WmtvEe24U&t=11232>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5IsaISYCMo&t=4522She punch Jesus too>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kj_iY6nzt1Y&t=17717
>>49428359ho...I guess they don't use the lore much during streams then?
>>49428761I get what you say but why waste my time on something when it is only marginally more interesting than the worst the industry has to offer? I can either watch JP or if I want something in English medium, I can watch some other entertainment.
>>49427001Can I meet your sister
Interesting how all the catalog bait threads about green woman have died ever since the VShojo Pikamee happening. It's almost like the people who were spamming green woman threads for some reason seem unable to spam them at the same time as a bunch of threads about kekson and pikamee are being made.
>>49428847Oh hey, so you are trying to be the new Ennaschizo or what?
>>49428550>ESL/pol/fag here, you shills lacking in COINTEL training are fun, it's easy to spot SJW tendenciess based on stated gun control feelings (protip: it's obvious whether you're for or against it). Both of the holoshills and nijishills are pathetic, but you nijishills are just pitiful.
>>49428861Because they're good
>>49428296Again, while true, the only other conceivable answer is, "fundamentally change the personalities of half the girls currently in EN," which is a less than hopeless idea. Asking individuals to throw more stream hours at it is unviable after a certain point because it's Hololive, so there's tons of non-stream shit they're all getting roped into. I guess the other other alternative is dropping a cosmic RNG viral moment that spontaneously accelerates everyone, but that's not viable as a decision anyone can make on purpose.I contend that homocollabers wouldn't necessarily create problems on their own. They'd get shit numbers for it (ie: Bae), but it's not like Matsuri/Fubuki/Towa/etc are actively destroying the JP branch. You could get 1-2 grifters, but as long as they don't fuck up so hard that the entire gen is grifters, it's still preferable to have more warm bodies over not. I know "blue dorito effect" gets memed a lot, but the Holobox itself is a pretty huge reason to follow Hololive, provided there's actually something in the box to engage with.
>>49428672>doesn't want to post on /hlg/ because it's a sapling hive>posts on /#/ which is a sapling hive
easy 10k in 7 minutes for mio
>>49428900>all the catalog bait threads about green woman have died ever since the VShojo Pikamee happeningThere were 4 threads up few hours ago, with 3 of them getting deleted. The one survived just archived.
>>49428598They don't though, anon, they are all super left wing activist types. It's not speculation.The ones who are based would be people like Gura
>>49428907You don't know my stance on guns, /pol/tard.
>>49428601Should we split the /#/ in /EN#/ and /JP#/? Wouldn't work because we always talk about EN
>>49422744because she wanted to take a cruise with her futa mom.
>>49428900>Shitposter latch on the latest drama that will give them (You) regardless of the subject Congrats anon, next you will tell us that water is wet
>>49428672>So here I amhttps://youtu.be/Nt9bkgRQbLs?t=22
>>49425833For Council and in the current music environment it's a good try, hell, I'll call it a good song. But sadly it's not even on pace to breach the Kiara line to 1 million.
>>49429027Nah. I am not so thin skinned like saplings especially for the past few days. I can handle people shittalking my oshi.
>>49428168It's because they're scared anon.The sheer potential energy and fan fervor around EN3 scares them.
>>49428127Enna took a stance against "gendered toys" for childrenLMAO>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldzeg2EORwg&t=13555
>>49428434Isn't that Namor's lore too?
>>49426077Yea an organization can ask youtube to group them together to funnel viewers between them. I learned about it recently while checking youtube help. You can learn most information about youtube there. >>49425874If fans left en3 not bringing them back because the reason they left is still there. If them just being shitty with awful numbers started making youtube push en less then en3 actually can reenergize the myth and council. It’s either that or pray gura decides to stream enough to catch the algo like she’s done every year since debut
>>49429010I know the one from the ewhore from the video. Sorry honey, she's a SJW. Tell her in one of your moneysinks to learn COINTEL tactics if she doesn't want it to be obvious.
>>49429055Is that even a reasonable standard given DO U seems to be one of the best performing EN songs of last year?
>>49423825Interesting, I will read it once I'm able to.
>>49429145She is a fucking Canadian what does she has to do with US politics?
>>49428168Do you think the way to save the homo branch is to release more homos?
>>49429027Most JP generals are barely alive on /vt/ anyway, the threads are either image dumps or there's only one single post every hour.
>>49424769mothers day. He forgot about his mother.
>>49427569What he said. Any attempt at "clarification" would only make things worse.
what is Omega cook for EN 3 lore bros? I am scared
>>49425498yea pretty much did that with ame and kronii, don't feel like i''m missing anythign now, and quite frankly i'm not. JP, events matter. EN is just 1 consistently mediocre glob. Gura could have alleviated this, but she doesn't stream so its much the same.
>>49427569Ogey nijinigger
Numbers on her new cover looking grim. Think it’s about time she packs it up and heads to VShojou.
>>49428127>>49428411Enna's just a troll.
>>49429199>SJW>US politicsWonder when shills got so retarded to think anyone believes this, since I refuse to believe one of you fucks actually bought into this tripe.But no, SJWs aren't endemic to burgerland. Not that it makes them harder to spot.
>>49427569pretty much this
>>49429365see here: >>49429097not trolling, that is her opinions
1. Narukami [Roa Drama]2. Gawr Gura [1M subs countdown]
>>49426488Bae is a music channel now anon. When you linked fauna of all people as a point of comparison you already lost
>>49429332I am expecting Lord of the rings lore
>>49423504>HoloJP decliningFinally.
>>49424005>>494245262019 was a weird time. It's entirely possible that consistent 8k .Live chuubas were the biggest female streamers in the world, with the competition being similar numbers from Pokimane.
>>49429199>She is a fucking CanadianSomeone who talks in chinese pretty much every stream and constantly says "I'm chinese", "I'm asian", and doesn't even know basic western cultural references and has to be explained. She can't even count in English and has to revert to chinese.
>>49429243Two completely different things because there's much less interest in new male vtubers under the Holo branch than female ones.>>49428942As long the the homocollabers don't try to push the HoloPro unity bullshit it won't be a problem, and that shit is probably dead when Tempus 2 barely if ever interacts with HoloEN.
>>49424849they should've gone with 6.
>>49429147No, it's not.>>49429447>>49429055It's just one anon trying to start something, but it's too skinny.
>>49429324>>49429378Stop samefagging
>>49429147Dunno, but DO U (20 days), Hinotori (22 days) and Sparks (24 days) all form a neat line that's easy to post about, even though they were all in completely different eras and contexts.
>>49424774voms thread is fucking dead, I feel bad for those guys
>>49425333you overestimate the importance of it.
>>49429568Literally my first post on the thread retard
>>49429577VOMS was a dead end franchise being held up by one streamer.
>>49429568Dumbass
>Fucking Ina has more viewers playing Breath of the Wild than Ame has playing Tears of the Kingdom.Grim. You never ever fucking ever let the mask slip.
>>49429596>>49429664>1 minute Make it less obvious next time sister
>>49429621Tomoshika's better.
>>49429692whore enjoyers watch better whores on twitch
>>49429692Ame is a has been
>>49429692Almost as if people don't want to be spoiled on the newer game because they want to play it themselves. Fucking retard.
>>49429752she told me to improve myself so i stopped watching her
>>49429692>ina, the stable octopus destination, in her timeslot>debuffson in eurohoursThis isn't the revelation you think it is.
>>49429767That goes for ANY new game retard
>>49427929"become God" is based.
>>49427423too bad you can't prove that because they never even tried. Gura can be entertainng sometimes these days, and fauna is more consistently entertaining, but the rest are just boring, trash, cringe, or obnoxious gaming and streaming wise (that's right, mumei's bird noises are fucking obnoxious, and while I sympathize with her persistent coughing being out of her control, its still objectively painful to listen to and a major filter).
>>49428434Gura killer!
>>49429356The original had 16k before she made the cover.
>>49429812Ethyria is the "heaven or hell" theme wave, so they make a lot of christianity-theme references. This confused some christians into thinking they are christian themselves, which couldn't be further from the truth. Like Enna always says "god hates me". But she also has more frank discussion moments where she says she doesn't believe in god, and prays at chinese shrines for good luck. When she got lucky in Pokemon she literally kissed her Jade pendant and claimed it warded off the bad spirits and brought her luck.
Unironically has a chance for goldhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zN_C752fusA
Easy 14k for Mio.It's business as usual.
>>49429971every time you post this it makes laugh even harder, thanks anon!
>>49430016you want to bet??
Pomu 20K?
>>49424956JP corpos can't replicate HoloJP. HoloJ is in a class of it's own.
>>49430160And it's at risk of terminal decline.
>>49430160Kson will
>>49430220kson's post Hololive career mimics someone that got through a bad break up that won't let it stop ruling her.
>>49430220Kson can't even get the same audience she had as Coco.
>>49430220This.
Mio...
>>49430263>>49430328Irrelevant. She's literally another YAGOO with her leadership abilities and a dream that puts his own to shame. Get out of your bubble for once and look at the logistics. VShojoJP could unironically be the dominant force in 2024 with their new recruits, many of them likely Holos on expiring contracts
>>49425391>EN just comes across as apatheticThat's the main issue with EN really.Besides the usual "no streams" bullshit, there's nothing really going on except Connect the World.No events, nothing special to look forward to, it's just the same thing over and over again.Ame used to do plenty of those, but there's only so much she can do on her own.
I think the best way for holoen to not decline more while waiting for en3 is not playing videogames.The only videogame that had any chance of numbers this year was re4 and the rules.behind it were so fucking bad no one pick it.Games for the girls are just not that interesting. Now we have half of then playing the same one.Do more sketches ,.more collabs, more crwatuve content.
>>49430383
>>49430209If you've been living under a rock sure.
>>49430383>get out of your bubble>many of the likely Holos on expiring contractsOh the irony.
>>49430383>a dream that puts his own to shameWhich is? What? A corpo where chuubas can... stagnate at around 2K ccv with nothing but a sticker that says "VShojo" to show for it?
>>49430517You laugh, but this is what reality is. Kson's Dream is for an everlasting VTuber world free of greed and complete and total autonomy for the VTuber to be themselves. It's being adopted around the world as exemplary and it's the reason for her newfound incline. She is the networking God. VShojoJP will only grow due to her good deeds.
>>49430443they're all creativel bankrupt to stream other than playing video games
>>49426058>>49426458Do you want jp management answer or the more likely answer for en? Jp cancels it if there’s a chance at being banned on YouTube or a chance at exposing them. En is probably just lazy or canceling anything that could make twitter mad
>>49430608One where VTubers are free to be themselves independent of corporate shackles and unnecessary detraction. It's a view that's becoming accepted across the world and community. And she is the main practitioner of it.
Reminder that:Connect the World>tickets sold out within seconds, they're now releasing a second batch of tickets that will still be sold out soon>95% of merch sold out within a month>huge support from the rest of the company with the most popular ID and JP guests showing up in supportTwinkle 4 You>tickets still not sold out a month later>merch still not sold out a month later>no guests want to show upYet Cover will still be retarded and not debut a new EN gen to take advantage of holoEN's popularity while supporting JP's failed concerts
>>49430383kson's main selling point for vshojo is that leaving vshojo is easy. That is really where her head is at.
>>49430383>HA! Get fucked Holokeks. With Kson in VShojo, Hololive's days are numbered!>HA! Get fucked Holokeks. With Nazuna in VShojo, Hololive's days are numbered!>HA! Get fucked Holokeks. With Pikamee in VShojo, Hololive's days are numbered!How many times do you need to see nothing change at all for VShojo before you conclude that, maybe, taking in retired talent isn't enough to compete with Hololive?
>>49430664if they did a yonkisei concert itd sell out pretty quickly
>>49430684Until you keep losing more and more by the day.>>49430664I see HoloEN has a brighter future than HoloJP
>>49430663>One where VTubers are free to be themselves independent of corporate shackles and unnecessary detractionAnon, there is literally nothing new or unique about this idea. If this is what Kson's vision is then holy fuck she's less talented and ambitious than I thought.
>>49430721Mike was fired and would come back in a heartbeat if she could.
>>49430721>Until you keep losing more and more by the day.Anon, Rushia got fired. She didn't leave, she was kicked out. And Pikamee was never in Hololive. Are you fucking stupid?
Kiara and ame are going to fucking overlap mumei and irys isnt it?
>>49430676Her main selling point is to provide a space where the VTuber can be herself independent of obligation from third parties and corporations alike.
>>49430730You forgot the part where they're free to be themselves without having a corpo own their IP while also getting corpo support, 10k viewers per stream and 100k viewers every event
>>49428268Except for Gura literally talked about wanting to play atomic heart and Bae literally did a Harry Potter related stream before Hogwarts released
>>49430788That's called being an indie and making connections to fellow vtubers.
I love my wife mio so much
>>49430730It's enough that she's become some sort of a cult hero amongst 5ch in recent days.>>49430762You really think she'd return to the place where people backstabbed her?>>49430769You Holofags clamored for Pikamee's placement in Hololive since early March. Take the L already.
>>49430769
>>49429824Mumei's better as a shitposter.
>>49430781Kiara?? and yes ina and ame are going to
>>49430835And it's the winning formula in 2023 when it comes to organizational growth and world building.
>>49430803>10k viewers per stream and 100k viewers every eventOH you're just trolling, okay. Thank god. For a second there, I actually thought there was a human being out there this stupid. Phew.
>>49430844>You HolofagsNot really. Most people were mixed at the idea of it and few wanted it.
>>49430844>You really think she'd return to the place where people backstabbed her?Oh, you're that schizo.
>>49430781I want to live in this timeline where Kiara is still streaming.
>>49430875I meant ina. Too much fucking zelda.Oh my fucking god why the fuck ina chose this game.
>>49430613All hail the jesus of Vtubing.
>>49430891The only big JP organization growing considerably is HoloJP. VSPO is inclining too. Are we gonna pretend kson's viewership isn't on a downwards slope?
>>49430847You have it the other way around brony>>49423825>>49424005
>>49424620This thread was sucking homo dicks during debut month but that's mostly because sisters invaded it and rational people got called nijinigs for pointing out it's just a novelty buff and they will try to nijfy holo EN now. It took Ame collab spam and later Kronii to turn people /here/ against this faggots but the signs were there from the start, already when they asked for males to join "hololive English" and this whole holopro bullshit.
>>49430769In Hololive girls get kicked out for NTR and lying to their fans.Meanwhile NijiEN does literal NTR streams like pic related. You see the difference? There's a reason Hololive is popular
>>49426155Your comparisons are dumb but I’ll humor you. Towa and Ame are both whores nothing only one likes being carried by other members. Marine has done the same as ina this year which is make my dick hard. Mori has a super special super secret sololive with no date, or location but go buy those blu rays so she can get that live i mean make it better. Gura has broke my spirit can’t say pekora has done that
>>49430844oh, le boring react streamer #32 got strung along by the boring react streamer whorehouse, how will cover EVER recover from that?
>>49430901That's the whole point though, a Vtuber who's independent of corporate shackles is literally an indie vtuber of which we have tens of thousands right littering the scene right now, what kson wants is for those indie vtubers to have the same success and standing as corporate vtubers without any of the drawbacks, it's a paradigm revolution
>>49430905This thread spent days saying that Pikamee belonged in Hololive. Cut the fucking crap.>>49430915I only know what I see. MKNK nearly sued Cover before her lawsuit lacked substantial evidence. There's a chance it'll be reincarnated once the details deemed insufficient for evidence present themselves as the opposite.
>>49430803Kek. Youre pretty good at trolling. Thats a good angle. Keep it up. Dont forget to throw in a "holokek" every now and then
>>49426155i know towa is a common joke on this board but don't you think it's a bit insulting to compare her to ame?
>>49430944This own chart contradicts it.>>49423504>>49431011It's not gonna be just reaction streams, anon. It'll be everything from gaming to karaoke. Just like Hololive and Kson has a similar vision that Yagoo does for Hololive with VShojoJP. She is their potentially more successful YAGOO/A-Chan equivalent.
For no reason at all, I feel compelled to post this.
>>49429493The original Iroha was a 10k chuuba
>>49431093YAGOO is a homobeggar and I hope he's forced out.
>>49426894I have no skin in this fight but the problem isn’t the friend part it’s the wall. Just say nothing
>>49431124And, no, the YT numbers are no better. She's low-tier Ame right now.
>>49430948irrelevant, nijikek didn't even know jp exist
>>49431124Numbers barely mean anything when in terms of both networking and forming connections, Kson has CEOs beat. Please get out of your bubble already, Holokek. It will open your eyes to the new truth.
>>49431124>that free fall in viewership after she joined vshojoI guess she really did piss off half her fans.
>>49431141Glad we can agree on something. In a perfect world, Coco should have taken over after the Taiwan yab. In any case, the investors will force him out sooner or later.
>>49430803>>49431176What happened to:>10k viewers per stream and 100k viewers every eventKeep your shitpost consistent. if you aren't willing to ignore reality for your shitpost, then you're not worthy of this thread.
>>49431176>Holokekhe's a nijifan that is still mad by the 2%
>>49431207A lot of people still kept in touch with her because they thought she might go back to Holo. The moment she signed with Vshojo, a lot of those people just fucked off.
>>49431257Way to miss the point entirely. In today's VTubing world, numbers do not fucking mean shit. Networking and connections? Those will get you very far.
why niji fans hates kson so much?
>>49431257In a perfect world it would be 10k viewers per stream but kson is still fighting to change the mindset of viewers that only support the corpo brand, no one said her work was done.
>>49431284I never had illusions she'd go back. I quit because she needed to get her foot surgically removed from her mouth.
>>49431283I don't watch any of those black companies. My kamioshi Kson is too good for corporations as they are the eternal bane of the entire industry she desperately wants to keep alive for as long as it can.
>>49431324because kson hates their oshi, anykara
>>49431324Sounds reasonable to me.
>>49429767Yes that's why the JP Holos all have 3k viewers too, oh wait.
>>49431318>numbers do not fucking mean shit>Is typing on /#/kek
>>49431365>kamioshisister, learn to falseflag please
>>49431324>Chinese siteGeeeee, I dunno.
is the *tickets not being sold out" spam true?did they even put tickets on sale yet?
>>49431410Yet none of them have outreach and influence that Kson has on the world. What has a Holo contributed outside the monotone corporate crap? Kson has bridged a gap between JP and EN and now wants to create her own vision for the VTubing world that those who want to curate the industry see as the best way to do so.
>>49431324>bcs she can’t collab w/ niji liverswait, is this true? did they actually telling her niji livers can't collab with her? holykek
>>49430664I mean what do you expect from gokishit>lamy, can't sing>botan, lmao>polka will die on stageOnly nenechi can carry them
>>49428598The hell is that psyop shit you all are trying to pull?? Nijisanji is full of a bunch of Canadian Asian people, that's like way way more likely to be politically left than the average AmericanAnd this is ignoring the fact that 2 en girls were born and raised in Texas, 3 out of 5 myth girls have publicly said the N word, IRyS almost said the N word.I have no delusions the Holo girls are some based trad girls or anything like that, but trying to frame them as more politically left than Niji when NijiEN has livers publicly celebrating pride month among all the other shit is just delusional
>>49431456Yes and yes.
>>49430664Deserved. Gen 5 is a complete and total failure. Singlehandedly bringing HoloJP down and will be responsible for their upcoming losses in the Fall.
>>49431456Twinkle4 you is lottery based
>>49431510Wait, Irys almost said the N word? When?
>>49431496>lamy, can't sing>implying Watson, Ina and Fauna can
>>49431365> kamioshiOh so its a nijinigger acting as a vwhorejokek. You dont have to do this you know. We dislike kson and her band of whores almost as much as we dislike your oshi riku
>>49429971>4k 33 min inWill Pom-pom even tally?I like her singing.
>>49431592No it isn't. Cope harder Gokishit.
but why sisters exactly raid /here/?
>>49431599>Hololive vs. Hololive: JapanAre we really going to do this, Last Samurai?
6k DORYAAAAI hate this Zelda arc already...
>>49431491They can't acknowledge her existence publicly.
>>49426894Yes.
>>49431678Because I was the one who started this bullshit, right?
>>49431670This is /#/. Why else? To distract from how god-awful NijiEN is doing.
>>49431596In the baby simulator game. Kek. Theres a link of her about to call the baby a nigga before stopping herself. Or at least thats what it sounds like. Pretty funny.
>>49431670mindchair
>>49431738Stop, stop. I can only love this woman so much.
>>49431510>Holo pls throwing out the n-word>actual nijiens throwing out the n-word on their streams
>>49431599They're better performers than anyone in gen 5, if you check any social media right after holofes 4 all people could talk about where how great Myth, Council and ID performances were while there was ZERO (0) praise for any of gen 5
>>49423022Very educational and insightful information about the illustration. I appreciate it a lot more now. Everything makes sense, what a work of art.
>>49430664Why are worthless ENsharts like this? Is that the no entertaining stream virus you are currently developing?
Is Pomu 30-40 years old?These songs haven't been popular in a hot minute and they haven't actually resurfaced with tik tok or even vine trends.
>>49431670she clearly had no idea what she's talking about. the moment I put this post >>49431324 she suddenly went silent. realizing kson was trying to harm nijisanji reputation multiple times
>>49431730Not that it's gonna work, mind you. Good job, Nijikeks. Someday, you might reach Council level!
>>49429332Kingdom hearts tier of convoluted lore
My fucking twitter feed is full of Henya shit>oh em gee it's le pikamee>wooo I love pikameee>time to let her languish in 1k ccv hell cause I don't actually watch her woooGoddamn unity lemmings