/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>49406432
It's good for short term bursts of attention (like right now, for example), but if they don't actually decide on what they are as a brand in the future, they won't be anything more than just "the place you go to when you graduate/get fired and coast of 1K ccv forever"

>>49406432
The fact people leave their companies to join yours indicates your company is better.

>>49406432
Will be able to have a low stable audiance not a bad thing but it can't compete for the top unless they get actual strong talent the 3 that were good left only ironmouse has decent viewership now and even she isn't guaranteed to stay so it will only stay as a small corpo.

>>49406432
hololive and nijisanji have a greater percentage of retired vtubers/streamers and nobody complains about them

basically a vtuber retirement home at this point.
i hope the kettle outgrowns the company in the future and just leaves like the other 3 members

>>49406577
>people leave [citation needed]

>>49406577
I can't tell if you are defending them or shitting on them, if you are defending them you are one hell of a retard lol

>>49406577
Better for the talents, probably. This isn't about how much money the talents are making though, it's about the perception of VShojo from the viewers' pov.

Nazuna's numbers are low. Kson's numbers are low. Pikamee started with 35K ccv on debut, I think. If she can't keep most of them, yeah. It means viewers see your corpo as just a bi-annual hypefest.

>>49406650
>t. has never had an actual job

>>49406633
Hololive only has 4-5 graduations since it's start rest have all been termination/disbanding there retention rate is actually pretty fucking good

>>49406577
Generally true but I feel like you can't really claim this is what's happening here when the original JP member is a huge reason why your other two talents came in.

>>49406666
The only reason leaving one company for a better one is considered negative by the viewers is that the viewers are idolfag corpo faggots who worship the company brand, not the actual entertainers. They're pathetic and should never be listened to.

>>49406666
>big events getting more viewers than normal streams means you suck
wtf is this retarded shit lmao

if people are leaving one company for another then theres probably a reason for it. also going back and forth between companies happens all the time. its how the real world is and its good for the employees

>>49406666
The only people, in terms of viewers, who care about how much money the talents are making are saviorfags. And, let's be real, Kson and Nazuna's numbers show there aren't many of them out there.

>>49406721
i am talking about streamers who have graduated/retired to join holo/niji, which is the subject the OP is discussing

>>49406682
Leaving your job is BAD, you have to work at the same company for all your life like a good japanese would!!!

>>49406682
So you are defending them? I have had plenty of jobs it's just retarded that you say that in the defence of a company who just lost 3 talents

>>49406742
Your IQ is 0. What is being said is that debut numbers are meaningless if Pikamee ends up with less viewers in VShojo than she did as Pikamee, which is what happened with BOTH Kson and Nazuna.

>>49406820
>talents decided not to renew their contract and look for better opportunity
>take all their IP with them as opposed to what happens in other companies
>vshojo is still bad somehow
Retard

>>49406848
>holos big concerts are meaningless because they end up with less than 100k ccv the rest of the time, which happened to ALL hololive members

>>49406742
They just have low viewership nobody would particularly care but vshitters for some reason think vshoujo is going to surpass hololive with sub 2k shitters that's literally lower then holoID, vshoujo will function normally but thinking that they can do anything for the whole industry without even having strong talents is retarded

I mean, it seems to be working well for now, but if it doesn't make infinite money for the rest of time, is it worth doing?

>>49406929
You are so retarded that I wonder how many attempts it took you to write this with your big, flabby hands just spasming against the keyboard.

>>49406966
source: crackpipe

>>49406848
Both were huge streamers helped by holobox, Pikamee was always an independent streamer that built all her career by herself.
They're not comparable, if anything she's getting bigger now

>>49406908
>>take all their IP with them as opposed to what happens in other companies
I thought Vshojo was just an "agency" that acts as hub for big indies, when did Vshojofags decide it's an actual company?

>>49406432
It's where vtubers go to kill what remains of their careers, or rather it's what Kson convinces them to do with empty promises of grandeur due to her own messiah complex. From what I've seen so far viewers just show up for the debuts then disperse afterwards with little to no gain. It'll be interesting if the same happens for Pikamee.

>>49406820
They lost 3 talents to Mythic, it's not like it's some loop. They didn't go to Hololive, thus somehow proving Kson and Mike made a mistake or something.

>>49406744
I really don't understand this argument. If I was a big fan of a certain vtuber, how they present themselves encompasses their "brand". If I was a big fan of Pika it's because I'm not just a fan of the voice actor, I'm also a fan of the semi-chibi pokemon theme, the aesthetics of the avatar, and how that plays with the other members of the group. I could give two shits about VOMS or Gyari.

The closest analogy I could come up with is that vtubers are characters. If DrDisrespect suddenly dropped the glasses mullet and red jacket and the exaggerated reactions and just streamed as his regular self do you think he'd retain his popularity? After all it's not the character it's the entertainer right?

>>49407042
No idea, try asking them, I'm just exposing that you're retard

>>49407026
Regardless of what people say with Pikamee, a big part of what made Pikamee popular is her gyari model (the first one anyways), after she got her retarded isekai model she got way less popular.

>>49407042
Agencies are companies. The problem is that the kind of "talent agency" Holo and Niji are have completely corrupted the perception vtuber fans have of what such a thing is. They're actually this weird unique thing that act kind of like idol companies, but don't strictly control all the content everyone makes, most of the ass fucking comes on the backend/contract side of things. VShojo is essentially just a poor-man's Mythic in actual function, but it tries to market its brand the same way Holo and Niji do, unlike Mythic.

>>49407155
Well, sure, the design played a part but that's the essence of being a vtuber.
I don't think she got less popular, if anything she was able to appeal to both her japanese (youtube) and western (twitch) audience, even if I think the isekai thing was stupid

>>49407118
No, but that's a thing. Henya hasn't actually acted any different than Pikamee, it is literally just a different model, it's not like she's putting on a new kayfabe (the vast majority of vtubers can't be assed to put on kayfabe anyway).

>>49407023
I literally saw that argument in 3 threads it's just that people who make a big deal out of this and shit on hololive/nijisanji are just making enemies who they can't win against at the end of the day popularity will be the judge and it's impossible for vshoujo to catch up with nijisanji, much less hololive.

>>49407421
>i got baited by 2%ers, therefore i will seethe at vshojo

>>49406432
Considering Kson streams to under 1000 people and Nazuna struggles to get 2000 and has to beg people to watch her new outfit stream, yes being the trashcan of the vtubing industry is a good thing. It keeps the trash out of the good parts

>>49406645
>basically a vtuber retirement home at this point.
Where do you think Horo and Niji get their vtubers from?

>>49407454
Lmao vshitters are well known for being shitflingers here they have done so during kson/nazuna and recently hanya arc nijiniggers are subhumans but vshitters here arnt innocent.

>>49407118
the problem is that vtuber reincarnations are the equivalent of dr disrespect shaving his mustache, putting on a hat, then acting exactly the same, while fags bitch that he's changed. there's literally no difference

>>49406645
It's unlikely but possible.

What the barrier to entry for Mythic? 2k ccv? Then again, she'd be joining a complete foreigners' club, so I'm not sure she's do it. At least in VShojo she has Kson and the yabmaster.

>>49407533
>>49407023

>>49406432
wwe = Hololive
aew = Vshojo

>>49407421
With both HoloEN and NijiEN reclining, it's natural that they'll be surpassed by vshojo since most of the western vtubing is on Twitch, which is becoming more and more mainstream.
Sure, twitch has a misrepresented vision of what a vtuber is, but at the end of the day that's what is gonna be big in the western market.

>>49407680
Hey, AEW is cool. WWE has been ass for a while now.

>>49406577
Sup, Vshojo shills already trying to timeloop these never existed?

>>49407688
>With both HoloEN and NijiEN reclining
What does this have to do with VshojoJP

>>49407688
Lol no holoen might be reclining but it will take a complete 180 when en3 comes and you have to be very retarded to think that won't happen look at the last 2 girl gens and open your eyes
And vshoujo is also reclining mouse dosent get as much as she used to and no vhoujo talent is showing growth, remember fauna is above ironmouse right now

>>49408039
Any day now

>>49408039
>it will take a complete 180 when en3 comes
You mean all the ENfags will go back to posting about EN being the real main branch again?

>>49408064
Yes unironically don't cry it's unfair that they get 100k CVV when they debut coz it's definitely gonna happen

>>49407757
the thing is, vshojo is the objectively better deal for jps while being completely optional for westerners where there are already an ecosystem of streamer management orgs that don't keep all of your IP

>>49408103
Maybe yes but it's better then having a sub 10k shitter side branch

>>49408173
So you are trying to timeloop they never existed. Thanks for confirming

>>49408246
no you didn't address my point at all

>>49406432
Depends.
Pikamee was clearly poached by Kson. She clearly wanted more than what literally small, indie company can offer.
Kson has a lot of baggage with entire China incident and how she turned on Cover when they literally were ready to nuke their entire branch just for her. But she also seemingly has a lot of drive and motivation to prove herself. Time will tell if her grand idea to create her own force on Vtuber scene will work out...
...but also dragging Mike into it was most retarded thing she could do and if she will seek more talents of this quality then VShojoJP will sooner or later implode.

>>49408173
>vshojo is the objectively better deal for jps
Say no niji or holos ever EXCEPT the rejects.

>>49408934
They would join vshojo in a heartbeat if not for their oppressive contracts.

>>49409023
HE IS GOING ALL OUT

>>49409023
It's too obvious that you're a troll or a very retarded faggot.
Either way, here is your (you). Now go play in mud or something.

>>49408596
>but also dragging Mike into it was most retarded thing she could do and if she will seek more talents of this quality then VShojoJP will sooner or later implode

Yeah. While Mike is good at what she does (GFE streams), she isn't someone who would create a foundation for something new, so she isn't really suited for her current position as the only true JP. But she could be an asset once other JPs build a proper foundation.

>>49408173
Would think so, as well. Only hololive might be the deal, where the price is worth what you get out of it. Especially with their investment in their own studio, this would make it easier to realize bigger projects.

>>49409023
proof next thread?

>>49409224
Problem with Mike is that her shenanigans with Cover and retarded declaring legal war at everyone that dare to look at her weirdly, there's non-zero chance that she's in some shape and form blacklisted in industry and hiring her will create issues when Kson will try to put more stable, organized foundations and seek support of advertisers etc.
Also, Japanese market is not the same as western side. They really fucking love Idols, cute girls and more in-character and clean work. Kson yelling about Talent Freedom and how she hates things popular on JP side are not making her any more viewers there.
Still, even If I'm not fan of VShojo I must praise her sheer motivation and willpower. Not sure if this will work out tho, a lot of things are stacked against her.

>>49406432
Kson and Rushia were recycling and trying to grab their audience. Pikamee seems more like a poaching situation.

it would be good but they are know for their shitty members and drama so it just looks bad for everyone

>>49409224
Hasn't Mike already complained about making less money than she had hoped in VShojo too? I don't really follow VShojo so I don't know if this is true though. Given her personality, and if that is true, then yeah she's not the kind of person you want at the foundation. An unstable foundation isn't something you build on.

>>49407757
Did I say VShojo was better than Mythic?

No, I didn't. So shut up.

>>49409572
She is making less money because the retard is burning money on lawsuits

>>49409504
One more issue - currently there's obvious lack of idea connecting VShojoPlus, no single theme. You have KSon introducing American energy and trying to abolish Idol-based Japanese vtubing, MikeNeko who directly feeds on worst elements of Idol-based Japanese vtubing and Pikamee who I guess will try to maintain her wholesome, welcoming and easy to watch for everyone aura. These things literally work against each other, they are pulling into three completely different directions.

>>49409650
Same old same old then. Hopeless.

>>49409644
I don’t know, Mythic is giving me flashbacks to Machinima.

>>49409718
Yeah it's not gonna work if they do that.

>>49409504
>Kson yelling about Talent Freedom and how she hates things popular on JP side are not making her any more viewers there.
She doesn't say that, but rather EOPs say that she says that. She isn't great at making short concise points though, and the main clipper schizos watch is Iroha's reincarnation (the hololive clipper, that is known for misleading clips and bad english)

>>49409572
That's what I'm saying. She isn't the type of person who wants to build a foundation. She want to get handed stuff from the company while getting validation and attention form her fans. But then also does stupid stuff from time to time.
She has some potential to be really fun, but she can only be that as part fo something that already exists.
But they are stuck with her.

>>49409718
That is definitely true. People like inter-person relationships, that's why a lot of the tee-tee moments or funny interactions from collabs or Minecraft/Ark/Rust interactions are popular.
This is another thing VShojo lacks. There are a lot of single-person stories, but there is no real VShojo story for people to root for.

Vshojo EN was planned as Melody's friend group
Vshojo JP is following the model by being Kson's friend group
that's really all there is to it

>>49408173
Reminder that Nazuna would still be with Hololive if she hadn't literally gotten fired.

>>49406744
That’s often the case, but the brands don’t entirely mean nothing. If they did then companies wouldn’t bother with them (which actually was the case back in the days of Kizuna Ai and the heavenly kings).
No, a corpo isn’t the be-all end-all, and way too many anons are retarded NPC’s who unironically don’t get that. But having the same staff, management, rules, company culture, etc, brings the girls who work in the same corpo together more so than outsiders, and it shows with certain companies like Cover.
If you like one vtuber in a corpo, you’re still *generally* more likely to like another vtuber in the same corpo than just any random indie. That also varies by corpo but still largely holds true.
Also, the algorithm is affected by other fans. Most people are at least tribalfags enough that you get recommended other members in a corpo when you check out one girl. There’s over 20,000 vtubers out there, at least, so you need something to help you navigate the literal endless options.

>>49407757
Honestly?
I am super glad veibae and nyanners left

Silvervale I completely understand after what froot did to her and how none of the other vshojo girls publicly defended her, ironmouse didn't even refer to silvervale by name when she said to not harass people

>>49407550
Vtuber viewers are a self-selecting group. We would all bitch if most vtubers started fleshtubing too, even if they didn’t change things up. Vtubing as a medium just relies more on the equivalent of DrDisrespect’s mustache than fleshtubing does.
If a vtuber I watched reincarnated as an indie or started fleshtubing, I probably wouldn’t follow her. It just wouldn’t feel the same. I mean, I also wouldn’t complain about it on /vt/, but not wanting to watch kson because it feels different from Coco is completely normal.

>>49406432
>As an outsider to the company, is being known as the ones who pick up the fired / retired members of other companies a good idea?
yes, but its not enough

>>49408934
>2%
The only thing keeping Niji talents in their company is sunk cost.
If they leave, they lose years of work that they aren't even legally allowed to associate with afterwards. Your career is fucking gone. Your only hope is that people follow you in the next life, and a lot of them won't. Maybe you won't be at 0, but it's not a lossless transition.

VShojo represents a paradigm shift in the JP industry, putting the interests of the talent before those of the company.
They give you the backing of a company, a professional network, management, tech support, everything you'd expect. And if by some chance you fall out of favor with them, you can just leave, no strings attached.
It's a pretty damn good deal, and one that's rarely offered elsewhere in the Japanese side of the industry.

>>49406577
>and then there's this actual retard

>>49411581
>Your career is fucking gone.
Glad you understand how fucking retarded Pikamee is. She doesn't own shit now

>>49409930
> There are a lot of single-person stories, but there is no real VShojo story for people to root for.
That’s what happens when your corpo literally started with no other branding than “hey, non-weebs, are you curious about vtubing now that HoloEN debuted but don’t care about that anime shit? Come check us out, we make sex jokes on twitch!”
Sure, these things can change. Nintendo used to be known for playing cards, now they’re known for video games. But that requires a lot of work and vision, and Kson, mike, and pikamee aren’t exactly the trio you run to for bold corporate rebranding strategies.

Honestly? I think Kson is proving the value of her massive contract with Vshojo already. If Mirai Akali ends up in VShojo too I'd have to really bend my knees to her.
Vshojo's model had always been picking up already successful indie chubas and offering them services like merchandising, collective branding, and security (lol) in exchange for a cut of the revenue from these sources. It's been this way ever since the start when their initial members counted the likes of Mel, Ironmouse, Silvervale, and fuckin' Hime (everyone knows her rm) of all people. So, picking up Rushia and Pikamee is just continuing that trend. In addition, unlike Rushia, Pikamee is valuable to the branding of the JP branch since she's professional, nice, and someone you can build a foundation around, so it's a huge W for the Kson company.
It's a different model than Hololive, who acts more as an investment company that uses their branding to prop up talents, but it's always good to have more models competing with each other. VShojo is the successful indies support group, and picking up a big successful (not really indie but eh) chuuba with no personality issues is nothing less than awesome for them.

>>49411625
She owns Henya. She never has to reincarnate ever again.
She had reasons to leave VOMS. It's unreasonable to expect her to stay in a situation she's unhappy with just because she can't take the avatar with her.

>>49411771
I thought that anon was saying she should have left earlier and almost typed a long response. Is he really saying Pikamee should have *stayed*? It’s just a side project for the artist to show off his character, of course Pikamee was growing too big for it.

>>49406432
Vshojo isn't recycling, it's compost

>>49411771
Proof on that claim? She is owned by Vshojo just like Nazuna else she would've just joined with her pink cat model

>>49414112
Tourist detected

>>49414196
Not an argument

>>49414112
kikeson said she owns Nazuna so they believe it absolutely.

>>49414354
Even if she does own it, she'll ditch it the moment she leaves the group.

>>49414112
>She is owned by Vshojo
VShojo does not own their talents.

>>49414687
Proof? Your head isn't proof

>>49414903
https://www.vshojo.com/about
Second FAQ

Also we literally just watched Vei, Silver and Nyan leave with their IPs.

I don't understand how so many people still don't get how VShojo operates when it's so fucking simple.

>>49414903
>Tourist that won't google shit himself in 2023 is just a troll

>>49414299
NTA but I don't see any point for him to argue with someone who he perceived as tourist

Imagine trying to argue about the most commonly known fact about vshojo

>>49407118
>, I'm also a fan of the semi-chibi pokemon theme, the aesthetics of the avatar
So things that she already has in her new reincarnation? You're just proving yourself a corporate cocksucker.

>>49414640
>Because the voices in my head told me so

>>49415719
Why would Nazuna continue to exist if she ever left vsj?

>>49407251
Worse, Vshojo markets itself with being better than and Holo or Niji, not by actual benefits or anything tangible, but because of arbitrary pseudo-morals that clearly never applied to them. That's the reason I started to actually dislike Coco, not for leaving, not even for joining Vshojo, but that the first thing she did was go all in on that kinda shilling. Imagine having Holomens actually cry when you leave and still speak fondly of you... and the first thing you do in your new company is shilling all the "family" you value in it, when you talk about a bunch of twitch whores you barely know and who would drop and shit on you in an instant if they feel like it or it benefits them somehow.

>>49416054
Anon, are you expecting her to not shill her new company? Why would she do that?

>>49416054
Kson's shilling is horrendous and misleading

>>49416054
Imagine thinking you can't talk to friends after you leave

It's called DMs ESL

>>49416175
True, but I want to think she is smart enough that she would've been able to shill her new company without going down that path. Then again, what else could she have said she likes about Vshojo? While in other vtuber agencies the members can go like "I get this or that benefit" all Vshojo members have going for them is
>Oh boy, I sure love me all that very vaguely defined talent freedom

>>49416373
Imagine replying something that has nothing to do with anything the comment was about.

It's called reading comprehension, retard.

>>49416557
>Oh boy I sure love shitting on people for marketing their shit

>>49414987
Veibae Silvervale and Nyanners owned their IP before joining vshojo
Nazuna and Henya got their IP provided by Vshojo who owns it. They do not own it. Rushia could've joined as pink cat otherwise but Kson wanted to own her brand in one way

>>49414987
>Also we literally just watched Vei, Silver and Nyan leave with their IPs.
Because they owned them before joining retard

>>49416909
https://streamable.com/ilwkbe
kys

>>49416909
Nazuna literally paid for her model you fucking tard

>>49417074
>posts Kson
End your life you pathetic vermin

>>49416909
>Nazuna and Henya got their IP provided by Vshojo who owns it.
Your entire argument hinges on this blatant lie, which is why you will continue to cling to it against all evidence

>>49417192
Who do we trust:
>A random anon(You) shilling for vshojo
>Nyanners who is a pathological liar shilling for vshojo
>Kson who is lying about vshojo being a "no con" company where 3 talents leave because of how shit it is, while spewing lies about contracts all the time the same day
>The company itself who is run by a conman
Tough choices here. I'll go with whoever doesn't deepthroat their asshole.

>>49411703
The last thing Mike would want to do is grow the vshoujo brand it worked in she worked in jp3 as one of the 4 horsemen of apocalypse because of pekora and mariene it's preety clear she is rather disattached to her nazuna persona because even the fans on there have been very problematic.

>>49417341
One talent that never streamed and is sucking the cock of a golden millionaire.
One talent trying to make a "corporate politics" statement
And one talent whose content drastically changed and no longer for the mold

>>49417341
>I can't trust literally anyone at Vshojo who would actually know, only vt schizos are trustworthy!
Like I said, you can't admit the lie. Predictable and pathetic

>>49417113
sorry i proved you wrong mahmoud

>>49411360
"what froot did to her"
"none of the other vshojo girls publicly defended her"
lol
lmao even
turns out being a shitty person loses you friends
who would've thunk it?

>>49417544
There is no reason to trust someone who has been proven time and time again to be the least trustworthy ones in the industry
>T-This time it w-will be d-different!
Just throw the word schizo around like you usually do when you try to deflect and have no arguments. I already got a new and better Rushia anyway. Have fun with your garbage bin.

>>49417753
>has been proven time and time again to be the least trustworthy ones in the industry
Now it's our turn to ask for proof anon.

>>49406432
It's literally the safest bet, you're guaranteed to get some extra new viewers due to their PL clout
which begs the question, why these retards would do those fake auditions if they never planned to hire literal whos?

>>49411581
Honnestly you are pretty right, Niji and Vshojo are the polar opposite in that. And that why none of them are working, you need both to be able to achieve sucess. That is why Vshojo JP is not what you can call successfull concidering their roaster (like they have the ex top 1 and top 2 most SC farmers, yet...). Hololive strike far more in the healthy, moderate domain here, compared to the 2 extremes that represent Niji and Vshojo.

>>49411751
>If Mirai Akali ends up in VShojo too I'd have to really bend my knees to her.
Why? She is not in the same position of 2018-2019 when she was in the centre of the industry. After the disastrous management of Bandai she is more in the category of a has been (as a vtuber).
She needs more Vshojo to be relevant that the other way around.

>>49407042
when vshojoJP launched
also because of Phase Connect we now have a precedent of Vshojo deal "being better", since Phase literally striped the terminated girl of the character she owned when joining and deleted everything about her

>>49406432
Retirement home for vtubers... it's over...

>>49406929
reading comprehension reps

>>49406432
VShojo EN is shit tier, but Vshojo JP looks like it's shaping up to be a decent group of entertainers. If JP get's 4 or 5 more characters they'll have a good group for collabs etc

>>49407113
>They lost 3 talents to Mythic,
mythic is literally not an agency like vshojo, despite vshojo already being way less than the usual vtuber corpo

You will never see shit like "mythic veibae merch", any future merch is her own problem to organize
Mythic literally have connection to big sponsors, get a sponsor stream/video to the streamer signed with them
and Mythic gets a cut of that sponsorship deal

>>49406803
other than bae, luna, and polka which ones weren't indies?

>>49406577
This is only true if your start up was a hot commodity
Vshojo isn't a hot commodity, their EN branch is dying and is a joke and the fact they have """""""""""auditions"""""""""" is the biggest fucking joke in vtubing.
Oh man a new member, who is it? Oh wait it's just a fucking reincarnation of an established veteran

>>49418583
You forgot to mention that silvercunt isn't in mythic and never will be

>>49406432
>Do you consider this saving them
Nope, just picking up free agents like they've done from the start. I don't get why people get so worked up about it.

>>49418762
the idea of "in mythic" feels dumb considering how is their business
you literally have absolute who fleshies and indies and even falseyed signed with mythic

>>49418762
>silvercunt
sounds like a nickname of high end prostitute

>>49419123
I mean...

>>49416054
>That's the reason I started to actually dislike Coco
Because you're a corpodrone.

>>49406432
Not really, except for Nazuna's case where her termination was abrupt. Both Kson and Henya had time to consider things, so it's more like they were straight poached.

>>49406432
it's a vtuber retirement home.

No downsides status?

>>49418265
She sold her ip to them and chose not to buy it back

>>49406908
I don’t know what parallel world you live in but you don’t own what you didn’t buy.

>>49406432
I don't mind that there's a company out there that can pick up the broken pieces. I worry, to a small degree, that they'll be exploited because of their desperation to get back on the grind.
Vshojo is in some way similar to Hololive in that the girls here are also "broken" or "used up" but have been given a second chance at the spotlight. But the similarities end there.
That said it's too bad that Vshojo developed a reputation of being whores as that by definition makes them beyond saving. So recycled goods probably fits the bill.

i guess all second hand vtubers will end up in Vshojo.

>>49411751
>it's always good to have more models competing with each other
why do Vshojofags think they are competing whit Holo and Niji?, they are like an ant compared to them, more people watch Pekora than all Vshojo conbined, and whit Vei, silver and Nyanners gone they are more irrelevant now

>>49416909
>>49417031
Did you guys just memory-hole what happened to Fuura Yuri? She signed her IP away when she joined Phase.

I don't know what the fuck else you retards want.
The talents say they own their IPs.
The company's official website says the talents own their IPs.
The talents who left the company still own their IPs.
How is it still not clear enough?

>>49406432
Unironically yes it's a good idea. Might not seem like it now but as time goes on every big name vtuber is going to retire at some point either voluntarily or by force. For those that want to keep streaming but aren't sure about doing it just as an indie then vshojo isn't a bad option since they don't take your IP in order to join.

>>49427184
I think Vshojo as a model is a good idea but needs refinement. They need more incentives that keep their talents invested in the corporation. Hololive is still the golden model imo but Vshojo could work as a good alternative if they improve the structure a bit more, especially when it comes to teambuilding and internal cohesion. They should also invest in creating some system that is compatible with their framework but could also be used to build up promising talents themselves instead of just taking in veterans.

>>49423997
Vshojo’s biggest competition is phase connect and now mythic (the later of which stole a talent from them)

>>49428943
Fuck Nyanners, the bigger loss was not getting Filian. That girl is going to be so fucking massive people have no idea.

>>49406432
It might not be a totally viable long term strategy.
But the talent they have picked up so far is actually impressive, especially the most recent one. She moves companies without any drama about it specifically and her following instantly follows her.
Long term its going to bite them when all there's left to pickup are less popular streamers.

>>49429070
Mythic is going to be massive, mostly because they don’t limit themselves to streamers.
Also while most would be glad Nyanners is no longer there (let’s be honest she probably left because Pikamee is a known lolicon) she was a founding member.
Mythic might end up being the Vshojo killer.

>>49429070
I'm afraid she's peaking right now anon, sorry about your oshi reaching her limits.

>>49406432
Haachama will have a new home instead of virtual death so I’ll be ok with it

>>49429070
Vshojo lost the chance to get a Filipino boy?

>>49429289
I think people are making Mythic out to be much more of an organization than it really is.
It's a glorified talent agency that arranges sponsorships while in the background.
Vshojo is a brand that puts itself in the front with the talent and sometimes in front of them in the spirit of the japanese corps.
I agree the Mythic is the superior format for streamers to earn money. But building up a brand? Vshojo might be preferable for a small streamer to join for a couple of years.
They are two different formats that don't compare too well.

it continues to be crazy that china is still here and still continuing their campaign three years later. not that i have better things to do with my time either

>>49429337
Mythic managed to get her an interview with the new twitch CEO
could VShojo do that?

Bunch of /vt/ards talking about VShojo resulting in ignorant hilarity? Classic.

>>49429467
>But building up a brand? Vshojo might be preferable for a small streamer to join for a couple of years
None of the Vshojo members were ever small streams, all of them were big names before joining.
Which is their biggest issue.
>I think people are making Mythic out to be much more of an organization than it really is.
>It's a glorified talent agency that arranges sponsorships while in the background
They have this E-sports vibe to them though, plus since there in the background rather then upfront there is no risk of damage to the brand if the vtuber gets into drama.
Though I don’t know why, but I am reminded of Machinima by them. Though anything sinister going on behind the scenes is yet to be seen.

I just think vshoujo is a terrible name and that they rebrand themselves

>>49430361
>vshoujo
Kek

>>49430128
>None of the Vshojo members were ever small streams, all of them were big names before joining.
Sorry, NTA but on what scale are you claiming they were big?
Vtubing was just starting on twitch when Vshojo started. And all of them are much, much larger now than before.

>>49406432
Do they even raise up nobodies into respectable views? Looks like everyone was already established from before

>>49430906
No, and they are pretty much 100% unnable to do that, their brand have like 0 value even for most of their fan.

>>49430906
They took the literal #1 and #2 in superchats and made them into nobodies, Kson streams to 700 people on youtube and Nazuna has to beg for viewers

>>49430906
Vshojo unironically holds no brand power whatsoever in the grand scheme of the vtuber market

>>49408596
>when they literally were ready to nuke their entire branch just for her.
Cover did not really have a choice on the matter, chinese nationalists never take apologies so they were out of china no matter what they did. At that point it wasn´t a matter of "Coco or China" but "Coco and no China or no Coco and no China".

>>49408596
I agree she was poached but are you sure it was Kson. She seemed to have a lot more personal relationships with others in Vshojo.

>>49431400
I have said this before, and I will say it again,Coco/Kson´s only appeal was to be one of the first vtubers to pander to the west, that´s it, that was her whole thing, her personaliy is nothing special and has not particular skill to stand out. Once HoloMyth became became a thing, Coco´s shtick was obsolete, and the only relevancy she held was because of her stablished status and her popularity among her coworkers, two things she lost when leaving Hololive.

Mike is different matter, she still did good numbers after going indie but now she is a nobody like you said.

>>49432399
>and has not particular skill to stand out
yawn, china

>>49407113
>>49407589
Isn't Ironmouse in Mythic? Not all of their talents are listed on the website, and I swear she announced being in Mythic as well.

>>49432399
It's still stupid no matter how much you spam it.

>>49433114
She's a part of a legit talent agency. UTA
It's got actual stars.

>>49427531
I think that's what Kson is doing. She's trying to build a box by making friends with other big names in the indie scene and scouting some of them, thus bringing their fanbase into VShojoJP. And as we probably all know, the box is one of the biggest competitive advantages of Holo.
Obviously, it's not going to compete with Holo anytime soon (though no one knows what will happen in the long term), but it might still work out to a smaller extent. I don't think it's a bad thing, either - success (Holo) vs freedom (VShojo) is a no brainer for most chuubas, but the option of VShojo is there for people who want it. It's good competition for the chuuba job market.

>>49433644
So basically she is trying to create the vtuber version of the epic games store.

>>49434294
You can see it that way, sure. The reason Epic had to go that route is because it's the only way to compete with the entrenched popularity of Steam. It's not that different for the VTubing market (just that there are two Steams here).

>>49406432
>is being known as the ones who pick up the fired / retired members
Being known for that is one thing but making that your aim or goal is completely another.. If that were VShojos goal from the get-go they would be a fuck ton more successful

>>49423997
Why are vshojofags always so convinced that they're a big corp anyway

The Manchester City of vtubing.

>>49443009
who is the Haaland of vtubing?

>>49442800
They're the Jews of the VTuber world, when it benefits them they're a corpo when there's any demerit they're not a corpo.